lore-discussion

[lucid anvil]

I’m going to be away from home for a while longer. Should I just find the lore on YouTube or wait?

I can’t decide lol

[real cedar]

For me it'd be weeks before I could read it in full with my rate of getting through the event. I went through it on youtube in order to transcribe it

[lucid anvil]

Might wait… I’m actually looking forward to listening to it much more than I have past events

[lucid anvil]

Fair enough lol

[lucid anvil]

I’m glad we have people like you, because the amount of effort it would take to find all the little lore bits on your own … oof lol

Especially since you can’t see event skins and such anymore

:<

[granite shard]

can't even see most lore bits anymore

[lucid anvil]

Damn, yeah the books are gone aren’t they? Sigh…

Bad crytek! Naughty! No more bloodbonds for you! >:[

[raw gust]

Imagine if they put them back because people complained and nobody found the menu for them yet

[lucid anvil]

LMAO

[high stone]

@real cedar thank you again for transcribing the Scorched Earth lore pieces✨ 🙏🙏🙏✨

[lucid anvil]

Huh. I didn’t know eighth plague had hieroglyphics on it. Might have to see about translating them when I’m home

This compendium is a damn good resource

Glad I finally found time to look at it

[high stone]

Alright…I really don’t understand the Marshal Brewer badge charm thing. The description for the charm (Wasted Honor) says “At every turn, Marshall Brewer was reminded of her disgrace. The badge on her chest was a sham, an old metal token made to scare the ignorant without upsetting the lawmen. This here is the badge she sacrificed to join the Hunt.” …so the badge on her character model that says “U.S. Marshal” is fake (sham)?? And this charm, that says “Mammoth’s Gulch”, is the real one she gave up, even though that’s not the name of the town? Is the charm description supposed to be a joke?

[granite shard]

I think it was meant to be her actual badge, but then later in development (probably after lore was created for it) there was a call for the charm to have something related to mammon's gulch added

that or there's a mammoth's gulch in louisiana

[high stone]

Haha there’s no way

[granite shard]

yeah lmao I doubt it

idk it's not the most exciting answer but I really do think that it was just a production pipeline thing

[real cedar]

There's a real Mammoth Gulch in Colorado, as well as a Mammouth Gulch, but both are just geographic features away from civilization

[high stone]

Yeah I saw those trails..

[granite shard]

I'm curious if there's plans for the night acolyte to get a big story at some point

since the charm at the end of everything's tied directly to her

i know none of the other charms at the end of a BP have met anything, but this is the first time we're seeing one tied directly to a hunter w new lore on them

[high stone]

I don’t know if the description is saying that Brewer came to see her real Marshal badge as a sham, like she was disillusioned with the organization…or if it’s really supposed to be a fake badge

[granite shard]

I really do think it was meant to be her real badge but then the gulch text got added to the asset

[high stone]

But then…ah I don’t know. i do believe that mispelling of Mammon’s Gulch was pipeline error

[granite shard]

like the process in my mind (idk if this is actually how the pipeline works for hunt, just my assumption) -- charm concept art (badge) -> lore team writes blurb -> charm asset made -> charm asset revised

[high stone]

Yeah even if that’s not exactly right, it’s probably something like that

[real cedar]

It's interesting that the charm seems to confirm that Desolation was the Night of the Hunter's apocalyptic prophecy. Perhaps there's more connections to be uncovered in their small mention back in Serpent Moon with the new context in mind.

[granite shard]

oooh that could be neat, especially with the prescient's stuff

deffo worth looking back into

I really really like the night acolyte so I'd love to see her get another bit of narrative focus

I think it was the martini that she got a storyline going, whatever gun it was I really liked it

[real cedar]

The martini storyline was one of the best for integrating the gun in question into the story, often it seems a little tacked on but the shipment of rifles being the core reason for the whole scene made it work so well.

[granite shard]

agreed

the phantom's stuff worked well too imo

like with the whole reason he had a vandal being to accommodate his disability

I would love to see more of him one day, I don't talk abt him as much but he's one of my absolute favorites

[real dove]

Agreed. Would love for him to get rolled into a pact sometime

[granite shard]

esp w him having a connection w lynch

[real dove]

YES

If we get a lynch pact, I'd expect him in it

[granite shard]

honestly I don't imagine he'd side with her

but the fact that his arm was made by her is interesting

[high stone]

Love the Night Acolytes, lets go Night Acolytes

[granite shard]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

me @ her

[high stone]

Also, are they implying Brewer started as a Marshall in Mammon’s Gulch, or is that just an oversight too

[granite shard]

nah that's the oversight imo

she's from LA, I think the badge lore was made before any place name was attached to it

[high stone]

It’s almost like doublespeak so you can’t confirm one direction over the other

[lucid anvil]

That’s one of the few I read back when I started! I found myself actively playing martini to unlock the rest lol. Very well written.

[night cliff]

Is this something from the older maps or a new letter?

[real cedar]

From the older maps, it's attached to that bunk bed asset. You can see it in Maw Battery and Fort Carmick.

[night cliff]

Ah okay got it, thanks!

[orchid tangle]

wow what a cheater

[zenith perch]

any more details on Pig and Bee?

[granite shard]

nope

[zenith perch]

[granite shard]

since it's a retelling from hayali's PoV we don't really see them have their big individual moments. I would assume it's butcher's cleaver & the beekeeper but there's nothing confirming it 100% (or denying it)

[zenith perch]

true

[granite shard]

we'll see if it gets cleared up at all

[zenith perch]

well in his first chapter he did talk about them having a second chance

[granite shard]

maybe the beekeeper dragged butcher's cleaver out of the land of the dead with her

since she had to survive enough to write her final logs

[zenith perch]

maybe the Sculptor copied their souls cause they were devoted to him and sent them out to prove their worth to it again

for a themed loadout for butcher's cleaver, what weapons do you think he'd use?

[real cedar]

Swine Shrike (Springfield Bayonet), then either Taste of Salvation (Uppercut P), Razor Spate (Drilling Hatchet), or Veil Slasher (Dolch Claw). Murmurblade as a melee weapon, The Marrow or Scarfskin Satchel first aid kit.

[zenith perch]

is scarfskin that one event one from way back? I don't have it

[real cedar]

Marrow is from one of the oldest events, Scarfskin is from the granny DLC. Neither are really connected to the demented but they look the most spooky

[zenith perch]

ah

[real cedar]

It's just a bonus, the weapons are all you need

[zenith perch]

I wish I palyed during the scrapbeak event, the stuff looks so cool

[real dove]

I wish Shrike and the Tina bomb skins would come back

[open rampart]

@zenith perch You had to ignore the game and hunt crows down to finish that event. The Boosts were vaccines that you had to buy for bloodbonds, take into the game using up a consumable slot, and if you died in a spawn fight you lost it.

[real cedar]

People were just taking 4x firebombs and dynamite into the game to kill as many crows as they could, good times

[granite shard]

I found out abt hunt during that event when my buddy was grinding hardcore to get the plague doctor skin

[zenith perch]

damn, sounds awful

[granite shard]

I only picked it up at the end of may of that year after I got curious enough to pick it up

[open rampart]

Crow event is the only event I haven't completed because I refused to not play the game in order to complete it. The only source of points was banishing the Crow, or killing normal crows.

O my mistake, for the event boosts they were "gifts", not vaccines. for 199bb your team got a 20% boost, for 350BB your team got 50%, and for 999BB your team got a 100% boost.

Imagine spending $10usd just to die in a spawn fight add get no points

[real cedar]

the gifts would also give a random legendary skin to someone in the map if it was one of the high tiers. I remember getting carcass gunrunner that way.

[open rampart]

really? I only ever remembering hunt dollars. Had a few games with Randoms where we someone would request just leaving because they were rewarded some high hunt dollar ammount but you only got to keep it if you extracted.

[real cedar]

It must've been only the highest tier, and since it gives it to a random person on the map there's no real point in using it unless you're crazy generous

Ah, the tiers determined how many people got a gift, and it was totally random in what you'd get but there was a chance for skins

[granite shard]

wild

[real cedar]

This must've been an early test of the future dark tribute system that came the following year

[open rampart]

The blowback from the Crow event was a major turning point for events. I believe every event after that has given points for looting hunters.

[granite shard]

I think last year w the tides trilogy they finally hit a decent grind level

and this new system continues to be better. I liked the totems but getting point rewards for just playing the game feels a lot better

[open rampart]

my only issue with the totems is that they glow. It removes just about all stealth from the game when every compound has 3 totems that glow if anyone is withing 50m of it.

[granite shard]

honestly I liked it bc it became a strategic element to an extent

[raw gust]

Totems are ok as a sometimes thing but when it's every single event it's a bit annoying

[zealous palm]

Dumb question, are Shank and Gouge the same guy?

[granite shard]

yeah

not a dumb question imo, everyone was predicting it was two people when we saw the icons

[noble scarab]

The mask is different, despite the text saying the guy can’t remove the mask. Dunno why this wasn’t 2 different demented hunters

The promos even showed them sitting along side each other, as if it were 2 different people

[real cedar]

They did the same with Viper in one promo image but yeah it's super weird how Grotesque has you play spot the difference between the two skins

Shade also tripped me up cause the video mostly implied he was the same guy in two outfits but then a promo image of both skins together made it look like brothers or something

[amber harbor]

east?

[amber harbor]

I think it was a holdover from the winter event that didn't quite make it in time. Would fit with the whole giftbox theme

[amber harbor]

The new jackfrags video has a couple eastereggs, like the bloody ritual in a basement somewhere, haven't seen it before

[haughty wagon]

anyone figure out what this is for?

[real cedar]

In-universe answer: It could be that tally marks were used by miners to track loads or something.
Out of universe answer: Crytek wanted to create visual markers to help players navigate

[tired spear]

also more recycled assets

all of them in the office in Stockyard

[haughty wagon]

Anyone have a list of all the notes you find in world? Some of them are very hard to read.

[real cedar]

I've transcribed what I can into a compendium, it's in the pinned comments.

in the "in-game lore" section

[warm quartz]

In the story, preston threatens to end the bounty system so Louisiana situation becomes bad again

How so?

Aren't there enough hunters who do it for free and only suffer because of the competition?

[real cedar]

There's next to no hunters who do it for free. Even Hardin talks about aiming for payouts, and then there's the recruitment problems that led to prisoners and orphans being drafted

[warm quartz]

[zealous palm]

So, there seem to be three different nature oriented pacts, Grounded, Wilderness, and Primal. I get Primal is more about being bestial and the hunt, but what's the extact difference between Grounded and Wilderness? I guess Grounded is more shamanistic while Wilderness is more "frontiersman"y?

[real cedar]

Grounded is Louisiana and Wilderness is Colorado? That's my first assumption.

[granite shard]

Grounded is really weird bc I think each time we’ve seen them their motivations have changed

[orchid tangle]

I thought it was just they didn't give a fuck and just wanted bounty token money

[granite shard]

Which, to be fair, the person leading each time had changed

Nah Devil’s moon they were like “wtf are both of you doing? You stop setting fires, you stop murdering people. What on earth is wrong w you?”
Tide of shadows was probs the most nature-y, trying to set the balance of the bayou right

Tide of desolation felt like the daughter of decay just trying to do what’s right

[spiral mica]

Oh yeah this was definitely a question I had regarding the pacts

since y'know they both want to prevent the spread of corruption and maintain balance

I guess Primal also sort of wants to maintain the balance of things too

[granite shard]

Primal isn’t really about balance

[spiral mica]

or yeah I guess natural order of things

strong prey on the weak and what not right?

[granite shard]

Primal and lawful are opposites — primal wants the order of nature and lawful wants the order of law

Wilderness seems to be more like we don’t want civilization encroaching on us

[spiral mica]

lawful would protect the weak and primal wants to prey on the weak

[granite shard]

Lawful doesn’t want to protect the weak

[spiral mica]

that's what it looks like to me anyways

but I could be wrong

[granite shard]

Lawful under Hardin was him looking to exert control over everything

[spiral mica]

every hunter is pretty different from each other so when you gather them all up into pacts it's hard to determine exactly what the goal of the pact is

[granite shard]

I think in a word, hardin’s lawful pact was Control while felis’s primal pact was Anarchy

[spiral mica]

like bridgewater was lunar if I remember but now he is lawful or he was last event

[granite shard]

He hasn’t been aligned w a pact since the lunar bundle

[spiral mica]

I thought he was lawful afaik

[granite shard]

Known lawful hunters are hardin, statesman, witch hunter, and Mountie in desolations wake, and then brewer and researcher in scorched earth

[spiral mica]

what about the hex breaker

actually does anyone have a full list of all the known pact hunters so far? including all the past events?

I'm curious to know if any of them overlap at all

[granite shard]

Hex breaker was unaligned and was studying the drowned

Reaper went from infernal in Devil’s moon to death in tide of corruption

Ochenkov’s widow also went from infernal to demented

[spiral mica]

corvid brood and bile are death pact too?

[dusky compass]

Are there ghoulies in the game yet? If so what is their lore?

[granite shard]

How do you mean ghoulies? Like ghosts?

[dusky compass]

like this

and this

[granite shard]

Yeah there’s nothing like that at the moment lol

[dusky compass]

[spiral mica]

mom can we have gremlins?
we have gremlins at home!
gremlins at home:

[wraith cove]

Wasnt carter aligned in one of the events

[high stone]

Don’t put Ghoulies in the damn game lol

We don’t even have Ash Williams Legendary Hunter, we ain’t going straight to Ghoulies

[zenith perch]

weird question

but i really like to do themed loadouts, what secondary weapon really fits with the vibe of the demented

so far I only got Rattling Rage for the Caldwell Chain and The Scourge for the Ngant Officer

and Veil Slasher, I forgot about that one but it's really expensive

[lucid anvil]

Hmm… bear in mind I am a melee main, but the skin for the bat? Uhhh… death knell or something?

I mean the hermit stick could work too tbh

[spiral mica]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room, a rubber room, a rubber room with rats and rats make me crazy!

[real cedar]

For just general theming outside of in-game lore: 'Boneshard' Pax Claw, from the Halloween events, 'Malice' Combat Axe from the Live by the Blade DLC, 'Fatal Scurry' New Army Swift and 'Pincer Strike' Hand Crossbow from Desolation's Wake Event.
For medium slot secondary weapons: 'Scapula' Romero Hatchet from the Halloween events, 'Fissure' Romero Hatchet from Phantom of the Catacombs DLC, 'Nightmare' Vandal Striker from the Through the Bone Briar DLC, and the 'Creeping Night' Centennial Shorty Silencer from the BB store.

[lucid anvil]

Also a good one: backbone. Also from Halloween, veterli bayonet skin

[zenith perch]

Honestly I feel like if we get Lynch as a hunter she'd be disappointing cause she can do a bunch of crazy magic shit in the lore. Same as Charry.

[real dove]

Agreed. Lynch as boss

Have her steal chary's powers so he becomes normal hunter

[zenith perch]

If I play as Lynch I wanna summon a giant bird demon

Like she did in the lore

[upbeat kiln]

YES

[zenith perch]

Hey Hazmat! What do you think of the lore so far?

[real dove]

I will forever headcannon she was meant to be Maman Brigette, who's image is a rooster and is an irish woman

[upbeat kiln]

Heyo! :)) Of the newly released stuff? I haven't caught up with any of it yet

[zenith perch]

[zenith perch]

Ah, I think all the stuff I got on the new boss is really cool

I think it's the kingfisher chapter, I wonder if some of my theories are gonna be confirmed in later chapters

[real dove]

explain theories

I like theories

[orchid tangle]

I'm fine with a Chary hunter since he's been in tons of situations where he knew he'd die if he didn't play it safe with other hunters, so he's not too OP to them. Lynch would def be a better boss though

[zenith perch]

That doing all those dark rituals, like mentioned in the reveal trailer to rejuvenate the land rang the dinner bell for the sculptor

||also in the Kingfisher chapter they were feeding people bounty tokens and putting them down bore shafts in a ritual to bring more oil||

[real dove]

Yeah! I would love to see the bosses we have now kinda changed for the area

be kinda neat. Prolly just not worth the time

I think we'll get new AI in time, prolly just didnt have the time to get them in yet

[zenith perch]

Sculptor could thinker with their souls more

Upgrade them

Man

I love the lore in this game

[real dove]

same. Praying to the hunt gods they dont cut it completely

kinda worried, guess we will see

reallllllllllllllllllllllly wanna read the monstrum stuff for hellboy

[zenith perch]

I don't think they will

[real dove]

time shall tell. I've seen enough folks upset about it to have hope they'll circle back to it once they have time

[zenith perch]

I am once again praying to the Hunt Gods that we get a Spider themed Hunter to complete the gang

[real dove]

I wonder how they'd do that

Is is a chick wearing a bunch of like, arms and legs?

[zenith perch]

Maybe a lot of webbing?

Poison Bomb skin hopefully

[real dove]

yeah, maybe. "The Amalgamation" A huntress who keeps bodyparts as trophies, has like a pair of arms and a leg dangling off her back, some hands, etc

or Arachnid

Some kind of weaver/spiderwebby hunter like you said

[zenith perch]

That's basically what the spider is anyway

[real dove]

yarp

[zenith perch]

What weapons do you think

[real dove]

I agree with poison bomb

hmhmhm

[zenith perch]

Caldwell Marathon? It was poison ammo and is quick

[real dove]

would be cool. "Spinner" and it's got a web pattern on it?

[zenith perch]

That's a badass idea

[real dove]

do we have a venom skin

would be what id call the bomb

[zenith perch]

Then maybe a Haymaker or a Pax/Pax Trueshot

[real cedar]

The other boss hunters have melee attachment skins so maybe rival trauma since its new

[real dove]

Her name better be Charlotte

[zenith perch]

True

[real dove]

Charlotte Webb, the spider hunter aka the Amalgamation, with poison bomb Venomous Bite, and gun skin Spinner

[zenith perch]

There's a ord weaver in my backyard that I named Charlotte

[real dove]

niceeeee. We have a army of bigass wolfspiders here, like, almost palm sized

[zenith perch]

2nd smartest spider

Jumping Spiders are the smartest

[real dove]

I wish I could be friends with them but the man hates spiders so I wont encourage friendly

I love jumping spiders

they are hella cute

[zenith perch]

There's a video of a guy waving at a jumping spider and it waves back

[zenith perch]

They are

[real dove]

we have a ton of the white spot kind here

lil fluffy lads. But anyway, spider hunter

trying to think of motif/name for other weapon

[zenith perch]

What an upstanding gentleman

[real dove]

Venomous bite may be a better name for the poison weapon

[zenith perch]

Yeah

[scenic ginkgo]

Is the 65 carbine a spencer?

[real dove]

yes

[real cedar]

Yup, they should really change the name to reflect that

[scenic ginkgo]

That’s kinda crazy I would’ve never thought I’d see that thing in a game at all

[zenith perch]

I wish we could use the real names in the game, but they'd have to pay a lot of money for that

[real dove]

I didnt mind the alt names

[scenic ginkgo]

I actually quite like the new names like “Haymaker”

[real dove]

alt maker names*

Haymaker doesnt bother me much. Just the vanishing of Winnie

[zenith perch]

Haymaker is way better than Uppermat

[real dove]

Agreed tbh

[zenith perch]

Might try to use it more

They scrapbeak skin for it

Is really cool

[scenic ginkgo]

I’d also like to see boss aesthetic hunters more

I already love how true to the bosses the current ones are

[real dove]

Can have a hellborn style hunter who was one of the guys forced to eat a bounty token but survived and got back out

[scenic ginkgo]

Half his body is an emmolater

[real dove]

give him the like, lightning strike kinda burns

yeah

[scenic ginkgo]

It’d would be cool if he’d glow but terrible for night maps 💀

[real dove]

yeah, I'm good on glow for that reason lol

[scenic ginkgo]

Ooh another idea I have for a map specific boss would be a hellhound one

To keep it accurate like a timber wolf with a pack on the new map

[real dove]

I drew a concept for it, I hold out hope we will see hellwolves

I think elk would be cool to see as well

their audio would be a hella cool sound trap

[empty basin]

I think elk and a hellhound/wolf boss would be great for the Colorado map, very fitting. And give a break to the Hellborne fight

[zenith perch]

A elk with too many legs

Like a bug elk hybrid

[real cedar]

Centielk

[zenith perch]

Exactly

Maybe even have a hunter fused to it as well

[real cedar]

Maybe have a cult dedicated to this many legged, fused human elk-thing and they all live in the woods and prey on Swedish hikers

[zenith perch]

Hmmm

Where have I heard that before?

[real dove]

This sounds vague familiar

[zenith perch]

The Ritual

Good movie

[noble scarab]

Good book too

Though I think the movie is better

[real dove]

Right, elk human God monster

[noble scarab]

Bastard child of Loki

[real dove]

Most are

[pearl niche]

Does anyone know the backstory or have any lore for Caitlyn Hammond: Rank 67: Hunter?

If you do, please could you PM me or @ me so I don’t lose your message.

[real cedar]

There isn't any text-based lore for her or any of the other bloodline and prestige hunters yet, but hopefully their bios will be fixed after the coming UI updates.
There's a small amount of video lore for her and her partners, Otis Blackwell and Vinson Hayes. You can see them in action in the Mammon's Gulch trailer and the 1896 launch trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16vBsmpcxh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nrpz5OFPNg

Generally, videos aren't exactly canon but they can give some idea on who the characters are, and occasionally they get referenced in later lore which makes them canon.

[pearl niche]

Thank you so much, I really appreciate all the info you have been able to provide so far. ☺️

[vague crescent]

Hey were we aware of Kingsnake mine /mammon gulch a year ago?

https://youtu.be/9oNZd6DW8Ac?si=HhxaujmWg-TxjBm1&t=84 because heres the first mention of it I can recognize, I wonder if the town is Miner's folly?

[real cedar]

Yup, DeSalle was released in July 2021 and the mines at Kingsnake were opened July 2022. The town is Lower DeSalle

[vague crescent]

Ok, roger

[granite shard]

those bats could have been a sneak peek tho which is neat

[noble scarab]

I feel like the bats were in a more recent trailer too

[echo narwhal]

ive always held out hope for an alternate reverend skin where he becomes more immolator-like in an episode of religious zeal. would reflect the story of the first immolator in a cool way imo

[green pollen]

eat a what.

who ate a bounty token and why?

[real dove]

Chapter 9 of the event

[torn light]

Ayo what the heck

[spiral mica]

@orchid tangle Have you finished all the chapters in the event story yet?

[torn light]

Eating a bounty token sounds metal af

[orchid tangle]

ye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPLwsN4HI_M

[spiral mica]

oh okay I wanted to avoid spoils if you hadn't

I have yet to finish the event but was gonna ask if we found out what happened to Chary's crew the Infernal pact from tide of corruption event

or are all those hunters really dead

[orchid tangle]

they don't show up

[kind trail]

Is there a lore reason why hunters can get revived? Like some sort of a ritual?

[native marlin]

dont quote me but from my understanding their souls are kinda ripped from the land of the dead and put back into their body, the other lore people would know better then me though

[warm quartz]

New Centenniel Motherlode skin is plain reused assed from winfield vandal skin

Every battle pass they try less and less

No skins for weapons added this update

[modern grove]

Forest Sting? Trailstalker? Shrewd Savior? Thudnerstroke? Covert Messenger? Vulture's Wing?

[real cedar]

It depends on what sort of revive you're talking about.
Downed hunters in-game just get picked up after being wounded, you can see it happen in the 1896 Launch trailer. Truly dead hunters surviving because of Death Cheat hasn't really been explained.

Truly dead hunters in-lore have come back in two ways:
The Drowned were reanimated in the Land of the Dead by a witch using curses and rituals. They had to crawl out of the Land of the Dead through the Graven Path in Kingsnake Mine. They now exist as insane undead who can't fully control themselves.
The Revenant had some kind of occult ritual performed on his body by the Night of the Hunters cult after it was dug out of his grave. He also is now walking around as an undead, but of a different kind than the Drowned as he did not have to escape the Land of the Dead.

[modern grove]

I can't remember but I think there was a specific entry that talked about hunters being able to revive fallen allies. I'm guessing that some of them, like Bone Doctor, might have occult ways of revivng people we haven't seen. It is also possible for the Sculptor I'm sure to do it for some of the hunters that may follow him.

[warm quartz]

No skins for spencer carbine and deadeye crossbow

Rival trauma doesn't exist for me

[sterile ember]

does anyone know where to find hunter lore with the new ui? or has it been removed completely?

[real cedar]

Only hunters you don't own but can buy with BBs or DLC have their bios available right now in the Store tab. Owned hunters, prestige and bloodline hunters you haven't unlocked, and event hunters you've missed cannot be viewed right now.

[sterile ember]

ahh that sucks, i got lulu and wanted to read her lore. thank you 🙂

[real cedar]

There's a compendium in the pinned comments where you can read all the lore. Hopefully they fix it soon and let people read the lore in-game

[sterile ember]

oh excellent ill look there, thank you 😄

[lucid anvil]

Anyone been able to transcribe that code in gasworks? Thinking I might take another look

[real cedar]

Beam 3: 04209 (1705) COy CZ283
Beam 6: WP24 47638 (upside down:) Div ⬆️ (Right side up) F6456XI
Lower beam: same as Beam 6

[lucid anvil]

Gotcha, thanks :3

[lucid anvil]

From what I can see, Div seems to have the arrow pointed between F64 and 56XI

Div meaning divide, maybe? Some kinda maths problem? I mean, I feel like this leads to something, right? Seems a bit long to be in-universe markings on a workpiece…

The pillars are numbered too, so maybe it’s directions? Ugh… difficult to figure out without being in game. No harm in throwing out ideas though I suppose…

I am not good at code breaking

[real cedar]

Ah I was right, it really is just workplace markings. You can see some of the similar Letter > number > bracketed number style in this video.
Maybe the extended system is what is used in Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-ihtloNUu0

[granite shard]

aw man that's a bummer

[real dove]

sadge

[lucid anvil]

Huh. Well hey, at least we have an answer!

[granite shard]

it really sucks how there's not really any new lore on the map :/

[real dove]

Yeah, ngl been super sad about the lack of stuf

[granite shard]

seeing the poster for a meeting at arden parish in I think corn made me laugh bc it's like

guys can we not at least just change the text on the asset to be somewhere here

[lucid anvil]

I was going to go check that out myself, but I was lazy and decided to do the more exciting possibility first lmao

[real dove]

Yeah, was talking with my buddy saying the map feels rushed, and that was one of the key things I pointed to

[real cedar]

The most I've seen so far in the form of new posters is an advertisement for Monteros Beer and a poster for Blue Book pipe tobacco

[lucid anvil]

It’s a shame for sure.

[real dove]

All the reused paper assets. I get reusing a lot of stuff, but that feel goofy

[lucid anvil]

Ah- an excerpt about the winter killing miners i think i saw too

[real cedar]

Ooh, where'd you see that?

[lucid anvil]

Unless that’s referring to kingsnake, but I think Colorado was mentioned specifically

It was next to one of the spawns

By rail tracks, lots of logs

[granite shard]

I don't think the map feels rushed tbh, I think it's just like

[lucid anvil]

Can’t remember the compound name, sorry

[granite shard]

idk resources weren't given for the lore side of things

bc gameplay wise, compound design wise, and honestly even general visuals around the map are amazing

[real dove]

Yeah, prolly not put well

[lucid anvil]

Yeah… seems the lore has been on the back burner, which kinda sucks

[real dove]

more that it feels... empty?

idk how to make it make sense

[granite shard]

which is scary bc lore really is the canary in the coal mine for game health imo

[real dove]

the map is stunning, and I do love it

[granite shard]

if you have like a healthy level of lore/story focus then it shows there's this care for "superfluous" aspects that don't have a tangible impact on the game and don't have a direct monetary incentive

[real cedar]

The stuff I have found is pretty interesting, like the well-kept trappers lodge going towards the middle of the map. The work in setting a scene through clutter is great, just wish it set a scene then told a story a bit more

[granite shard]

idk I don't think hunt's becoming a money grubbing machine but I am worried abt the future of things

[lucid anvil]

Hold on, let me see if I can find that compound

It was on the board just inside the door, i remember that much

Ah! Deadfall timber, I believe. There’s dogs right next to the building, and a dead guy leaking blood through a grate with a bar of soap in another building nearby

[real cedar]

I think lore got put on the backburner cause implementing it wasn't in the time budget for the relaunch. With the state of the UI it really seems they didn't have all the time they wanted.
It's like how early access had next to nothing until a year later when the Book of Monsters was added, then some months later the Book of Weapons really began expanding the story. Treating 1896 like Early Access 2.0 is probably the best way to keep hopes up.

[granite shard]

I'm hoping so, but I believe they've shrunk the writing team

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, I can see that to be fair. I believe the other maps got a lot of their posters post launch too, right?

And the fact they do have SOME in world new writings shows they do still consider that side of it at least a little bit

[granite shard]

idk, I'm not saying lore's dead in the water from here on out but w a smaller team and the lack of communication on if the book of weapons will return at all, or if it will even get an official archive, I have a fear that we might only be getting BP lore (or even just stuff for DLC hunters)

[real cedar]

Yup, the DeSalle missing posters that began telling the story of Lewis DeSalle and Fiona appeared July 2022 according to reddit, in the same update Kingsnake mine opened a year after DeSalle launched.

[granite shard]

shrugs I'd just like something official to come out as to what the plans are for hunt's story. I know david had mentioned at some point that he'd like to see a novelization of hunt come out, so that would be cool, but who knows if that's an actual thing they're working on or if it's a nebulous "wow that would be cool" thing

[lucid anvil]

Ah, interesting. So they did appear later, but with a kinda minor (or miner, Badum tss) map revamp? Hm.

[real cedar]

Yeah, so the next time map changes to Mammon's Gulch are announced, it'll be time to scour the map again, see if more stuff got added.

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, I’d appreciate more communication for sure. Missing the books on 2.0 launch was a mistake, but I’m sure they have a lot on their plate…

[granite shard]

I genuinely do not think the missing the books on launch is a mistake. my read on the situation is that the removal of the books was intended to be permanent and that they're looking at a different weapon progression system, not a "the retooled books will return at a later date"

[lucid anvil]

We will certainly have to keep an eye out. Ugh, I wish I could go out and have another look around

[real dove]

I wish we could explore the map

more than in 45 min

[granite shard]

there's been a fair amount of community outrage at the removal of lore so we could see them potentially shift around plans and bring the book of weapons back, but the question I have with that is would they commit to writing more entries, or would they just bring it back as an archive sort of thing

[lucid anvil]

Just have to take the researcher and run around shouting “GO AWAY, IM LOOKING AT PAPER!” At people lol

[real dove]

Lol

"hecc off, I'm doing RESEARCH"

I know the trials werent well loved, but being able to explore the compounds was great

[granite shard]

yeah I'm really surprised there's no free roam function

[lucid anvil]

I would have to go back and have another look, but to me at least it seemed like they were trying to find a better way to have weapon progression, and a better way to display the lore… but idk. I doubt they’d just toss it, especially with how important it is to the game.

[real cedar]

Having free roam be possible via the shooting range system would be a nice addition

[lucid anvil]

Yeah…

[lucid anvil]

I think I’m buying the researcher next XD

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, that would be cool.

[zenith perch]

Kinda unrelated to the whole Researcher bit, but sometimes I play as Cain and kill the bounty target and have people answer riddles in order to get the bounty

"If you wish to claim the bounty, first you must answer my riddles three!"

Favorite thing to do in the game is to play as a hunter and try to act like them in game, leads to some funny things

Play as Buthcers Cleaver and be like: "Murmayer Sthone"

[zenith perch]

That's my take away too. I would be very surprised if they just tossed the lore away

[lucid anvil]

I love this lmao

you’re giving me ideas now…

[zenith perch]

What you got?

[lucid anvil]

I mean I got the researcher bit… thinking steel eyed with a pax trueshot, do a Clint Eastwood type gunslinger.

Fanning too, so I can actually kill them

[zenith perch]

Do a Joe Kidd build

Dolch precision

[lucid anvil]

No

I’m sorry, that thing is off limits

[zenith perch]

With a 30 round internal magazine

[lucid anvil]

It is dirty.

I can’t.

[zenith perch]

Cause in the movie he never reloads it

[lucid anvil]

Lmao

Other than that, maybe I could go with Hardin, do a sherif

Ronin, samurai with just a katana etc

[zenith perch]

Do a Marshall Rooster Cogburn build with thw Otis hunter

[lucid anvil]

I’m going to be real, I have no clue who that is

[zenith perch]

You never watched True Grit!?

[lucid anvil]

Alas, I have not…

[zenith perch]

You must

The 2010 remake

[lucid anvil]

Why the remake?

[zenith perch]

Cause this may be slightly controversial

(Its not)

The book adaptation with John Wayne sucks

The 2010 remake is 1 to 1 with the book basically

[lucid anvil]

Hm. Alright, I’ll see. I’ll need some to watch on the plane anyway

Think it’s on Netflix?

[zenith perch]

I know it's on Prime

[lucid anvil]

Alright, I’ll see

[zenith perch]

Honestly one of my favorite Western movies

Next to Tombstone

[echo narwhal]

felt this in the last event, the fact they only had two motifs that they used for every weapon skin felt like such a letdown. i couldnt even finish the grind

[rotund ferry]

is the lore explaining why there are strategically position barrels? especially the hives ones 😄

[real cedar]

Not exactly, but there is a weird barrel-related story on the website:
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-cooper-s-casket-pt-1
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-cooper-s-casket-pt-2
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-cooper-s-casket-pt-3
Maybe there's something in it that explains it better than I could read.

[amber harbor]

Next boss hunter scrapbeak?

Between Deadfall Timber and Preston oil

[granite shard]

we've already got scrapbeak hunters, so probably not

[real cedar]

Reminds me of the hanging body at Scupper Lake

OH

It's Hellraiser!

all those hooks, it's gotta be a hellraiser reference!

[granite shard]

Smh stop opening the dang box

[zenith perch]

But I like opening boxes

[real dove]

Pandora vibe

[zenith perch]

Indeed

Who would leave a good unopened box on it's own

[native glade]

hunter lvl 37 yeah looks like only lvl 50 can retire now sadge

[granite shard]

it's been that way for like six months now lol

[native glade]

ngl haven't played much last 6 months lol

where is our short lore our bought hunters had?

[granite shard]

not currently in game

we'll see if it returns

[native glade]

allright

[real cedar]

Hopefully it'll return. Prestige hunters are getting their bios put in the upcoming prestige progression track

Hopefully bloodline and owned hunters get theirs back in some spot

[zenith perch]

How did you think the og Hunt would have held up?

Left 4 Dead style game

[granite shard]

if you didn't know, remnant from the ashes is actually built from the bones of horrors of the gilded age

based off of the praise I've heard for it and remnant 2... probs pretty well!

[icy brook]

Personally, I think the test footage looked a bit run of the mill for the time for Horrors of the Gilded Age, I think the fps and grittier tone was a more interesting way to take it

[real cedar]

It would've had more competition as a Co-Op PvE for sure. If it had released in 2018, it would've had to later compete with Deep Rock Galactic, Vermintide, Back 4 Blood, Darktide. Becoming one of the two main extraction shooters in the industry definitely gave it an edge that's helped it keep growing over a longer period.

[zenith perch]

love Remnant 2

[modern grove]

I would love for them to reuse it honestly. Hunt has set itself up lore wise to have a lot of great ideas and they could certainly do a hunt game like that today. Especially with games like helldivers and darktide coming out and starting to have a lull. The more serious tone the game would have now because of showdown would be good too. I think what they did was so unique that it was the smarter choice as a live service game, but they could just release a co-op horder shooter like that and a couple of DLC maps and be done. I feel it could also be a prequel because right now the AHA is in a really sorry state, so it would be cool to see it before the hunter versus hunter aspects started to happen.

[green pollen]

Legit woulda loved that. Who knows, maybe they will make a campaign mode where you have to travel through New Orleans after the infection spreads further down south

[spiral mica]

I think a left 4 dead style gamemode for hunt would still be really cool

Left 4 dead 2 is one of my favorite games

[zenith perch]

I think Pig is Butcher's Cleaver after all

||In the last chapter for the Demented, its said that Pig was crawling on all fours and sniffing tracks. In Butcher's Cleaver's bio it talks about him doing the exact same thing.||

[spiral mica]

that makes sense since the beekeeper turned into some giant bee in the land of the dead I think

[modern grove]

So it was a ||Hunter turned into a monster? Did that happen with the other ones then like Scrapbeak?||

[lunar sky]

If the scrapbeak trailer is lore accurate|| he’s a union or confederate soldier that had his legs amputated ||

I’m not 100% sure I’ll be sure to get the most accurate information and post it here

[green pollen]

yeah no thats it

[green pollen]

also like holy shit, when will we get this as a wandering boss that'd kinda be sick

[spiral mica]

there's so much potential for more wandering targets

so many urban myths, legends and ideas

[rare dirge]

didnt he get eaten alive by beetles though?

pretty sure he is already dead

[zenith perch]

https://tenor.com/view/somehow-palpatine-returned-somehow-palpatine-poe-dameron-poe-gif-20849141

[green pollen]

leigt i loved that one art someone did of a corn themed wandering boss idea

[lunar sky]

Ok so scrap beak ||was a confederate soldier named Avis that got hit by a cannon ball destroying both his legs and one arm. He then got replacements made out of metal.

Years go by, and he gets a son (Avis Jr) but doesn’t pay attention to him due to his love of birds and obsessiveness of scrap metal.

Then one day when he’s all grown up his son kills his birds. Due to the spite he has for his father for being basically non existent in his life.

Then Avis SR and Avis jr get into a fight Avis jr beats his father almost to death.

As Avis SR is dying birds fly to him and as he dies the sculptor takes over his body and he inherits the traits of a bird/ hoarder due to his past obsession of them. ||

If any of this is wrong someone please correct me

[zenith perch]

My theory is that the Sculptor copied the souls of Butcher's Cleaver and Beekeeper, arguably its most devoted followers, and sent them out to prove themselves again for failing

cause first demented chapters talks about them having a second chance

[zenith perch]

pretty much it

and then Avis Jr kept on sending people to get killed by Scrapbeak

[rare dirge]

thats a pretty interesting theory

[lunar sky]

Thanks slate i appreciate it

[rare dirge]

would make sense if it turns out he is back

[zenith perch]

🫡 🫡

thats also my headcanon for how demented hunters come back in game. Cause they're devoted to the sculptor and basically gave their souls to it, it just copies them over and over again

no basis, i just think its a neat idea

[lunar sky]

That would be cool if he uses their souls as like a base to create more demented hunters

[lucid anvil]

Is all this listed under the scrapbeak book entries? So I know where to look in the compendium

[spiral mica]

in Chapter six is the bee and pig Hayali refer to Beekeeper and butcher's cleaver??

also do we know who Hayali's voice actor is he sounds familiar

[lunar sky]

Yes the old compendium was my source for that

nothing a less it should be the same in the new compendium I just can’t find it 😂☠️

[shrewd jewel]

When was The Sculptor last mentioned? Is the current lore circling around the Legendary Hunters?

[real cedar]

Tide of Desolation was much more actively focused on the Sculptor than Desolation's Wake and Scorched Earth but the two most recent mentions is a small blurb in the details section of the Scorched Earth event, and then Chapter 14 of the event story.

[lucid anvil]

Gotcha, thanks! And I was referring to the compendium pinned here, since we don’t have the lore anymore lmao

[real cedar]

Before that, Chapter 10 and 13 of Desolation's Wake

[lunar sky]

Yes I just checked it’s in there

[shrewd jewel]

Thanks, hopefully John Victor Huntshowdown be brought more into the spotlight.

[lucid anvil]

Currently working my way through the book of weapons stuff- do we know who RN is? Is it mentioned later, or are they an unknown quantity?

[real cedar]

I've been calling him the Modern Researcher. He has no set identity, but it seems to be all the same guy living in the late 20th/early 21st century, and is a member of the AHA. Everything we read, he has catalogued into a file covering the Louisiana Event.

RN most likely meaning Researcher's Notes, just as it does in the first section of the Book of Monsters

[lucid anvil]

Ah, gotcha. Interesting… Hm. Thank you! I’ll be curious to see if we get more of a glimpse into the modern world with future lore. I always liked the Lore in game being listed as second hand sources we are looking back over in the modern day.

Wax cylinder transcripts etc. super unique way to present the story, and I really enjoy it.

[real cedar]

I'm hoping they continue pressing the envelope in alternative ways to present diegetic information. Now that we're in 1896, my biggest wish is for some paranormal ass thing to get x-rayed.

[woeful ferry]

There any lore about Caitlyn, Otis Blackmore and Vinson Hayes?

[real cedar]

Not yet, but hopefully once we can view the bios of owned skins we'll learn a bit about them.

[woeful ferry]

Damn, lore is the one of the main reasons I enjoy this game

[noble scarab]

Based on how the new hunters are: this is so and so, they like murder.

So and so likes murder a bit more than their partners and have been doing it slightly longer

[amber harbor]

Would be cool if when they bring back the lore it will be more like the old louvent scrapbook, with an actual collage of media, train tickets and the like

[umbral rock]

hello! is this a reference to anything? it seems familliar, i thought something like that movie about the guy with a chainsaw hand that fights demons or something "x vs the forces of evil"

[granite shard]

rai thinks it could be hellraiser!

[dusky compass]

Hellraiser

100%

[ornate kite]

whats the fan fiction situation round here?

hazmat is getting me up to speed

[real cedar]

Can't say I've seen much of any fanfiction, but then again I don't go actively looking for where it might be.
I think #fanart might've had at least one get posted.

[ornate kite]

yaya…hunts crazy cool for a story…just wanna add a hunter of mine

[granite shard]

There’s like 30 fics on archiveofourown and like 95% of them are crossovers with other media lol

[vague crescent]

Though I think hunt and hellboy nestle into each other remarkably well

[granite shard]

But what about stray kidz the Korean boy band

[ornate kite]

nah mine is specifically within hunt

[granite shard]

Well there’s not a lot, but that doesn’t mean you can’t!

[ornate kite]

right right

[tawdry bobcat]

Is there a good place to read up on the lore?

[granite shard]

check out the doc listed here! #lore-discussion message

[empty basin]

The 2 hunters in the bundle remind me of Hellraiser pin head so maybe they are related. The location and the hunters in the bundle.

[lucid anvil]

Just noticed an issue with Rai’s compendium: under the Winfield marksman entry, the paragraph describing Lynch is duplicated.
Not that it’s a massive issue, just thought they might want to know :]

[lucid anvil]

hunter, singular technically lol. Same guy. Not sure how I feel about them selling the same character twice, but that’s beside the point.

I think the other multi phase skins still let you select the phases, right? They haven’t been split?

[spiral mica]

hey anyone able to answer this?

[empty basin]

Oh ok, I didn't know, or maybe I read that here and didn't file it to memory. I guess with the battle pass unlock being the same guy just face cover and none it's not out of character, but I get what you mean it's a slippery slope

[lucid anvil]

I believe so, but… I think one or more of those is supposed to be canonically dead. I’d have to go back through the tide event lore

[spiral mica]

butcher's cleaver should be dead but hunters have come back before

[lucid anvil]

Those two are the only ones that fit bee and pig imo. Not sure who else it would be.

[spiral mica]

well there is two reptilians

multiple actually

so another pig wouldn't be out of the question

[echo bluff]

I'm just going to add in regarding beekeeper and butchers cleaver being back. Neither really explicitly were stated as being killed as I recall. Beekeeper was there during the apotheosis of some eldritch being but nothing else was mentioned in regards to what happened to her. And butchers cleaver got tortured with bugs eating his flesh not strictly eaten to death. I mean it was handled weird but nothing quite so confirmed as say for example The Kid getting his face blown off and his corpse being seen floating down a river.

[lucid anvil]

Well, reptilian and scaled ward. Could be a similar situation, sure.

I wish I had scaled ward :<
Then I could run a gator skin without fear of disgrace

[lucid anvil]

This is a good point.

I can’t say I’m disappointed about having them back. I think the characters are quite interesting, and there’s a lot more they can do with the demented and the like

[warm quartz]

I've just noticed that Researcher isn't event hunter

But Carter and Vaquero are

Vikings too

[neat juniper]

Researcher my beloved is built alternatively

[real cedar]

Thanks for the tip, got it fixed

[lucid anvil]

No problemo! It’s a lot for one person to sort through lol
We all appreciate the effort you put into it :3

[hoary moat]

Hello all!
I want to write a fanfiction in the Hunt Universe. However, I am not well versed in the lore. I don't need every excerpt read and every action of every character drawn out in long, rambling reads. I just want the condensed milk version of the lore; Why things are and how they work with no frills, no bells, no whistles. I don't care about specific characters and their motivations. Anyone know any short form videos I can watch. Possibly any where the person isn't a drag to listen to?

[real cedar]

There's a couple of lore youtubers out there to check out:
HazmatFTW is the most dedicated Hunt lore youtuber, he goes into detail on a lot of topics so he's pretty popular around here, but he may not fit your criteria of concise and no frills.
Wisefish has one 40 minute video covering an introduction to the lore, he's not dedicated to Hunt like others are but he's pretty popular so it might be good quality.
Liisn has a couple of lore videos on the monsters, as well as a pair of short explanations of general history.

Once you've got a grasp of it, feel free to jump in here and ask any questions your story might need. There's a couple of us that are walking encyclopedias of the lore and can fill you in on whatever topic

[hoary moat]

I'm going to ask here, because every youtube video I can find is just a reading of the lore book, or entries. Most of which seems to be in universe speculation per character about what they think things are, and not much about how they work/function objectively.

Which is why I want a short summed up version of things.

From what I know, grunts have a repurposed organ (heart) that circulates a black fluid in them. Some of my main questions are; Can they bleed out, is this fluid what causes the mutations, is it spread via this fluid getting into/onto people? Lastly, could there be other types of creatures we have no seen yet, made by other beings that are not this Sculptor being?

[real cedar]

Yeah it can be a little rough since the lore is told in an epistolary style, we don't get many hard facts, just observations and conjecture. For your questions:
-The dissection of the grunt reveals the heart is pulsing, but not pumping. Oddly the loading tip and the book of monsters are at odds about this.
-They're in a state of decomposition and often have gaping wounds as they shamble around. That leads me to believe they can't bleed out, and that if the larvae-fluid does pump, it can only go so far in whichever veins are still intact
-Mutations are caused by general Corruption, which is loosely described as the Sculptor infecting people (via insect bites and wounds caused by grunts) which manifests at first as a disease that causes delirium and decomposition, then once you're dead your soul is possesed by the Sculptor and your body gets remade by it over and over again. Most people turn into grunts and armored when infected, hives, immolators, and meatheads are a single person getting remade many times.
-There are indeed other paranormal creatures and phenomenon out there. Not much detail is said about them on whether or not they are connected to the Land of the Dead like the Sculptor is, but they're definitely not of the Sculptor's making as it seems to only make insect-related monsters, or takes possession of other paranormal creatures within its corruption.
There are other eldritch entities that think of themselves as Gods that can be summoned like demons, there are demons in China, black hounds in England, Witches in New England, Pharaoh's curses, Thunderbirds in western America, Djinn in the middle east, Will o' Wisps in South America. Specifically in the events of Louisiana, the Moon itself is an entity that got involved in some events.

[lucid anvil]

Actually, a question regarding those “Demons”… is the serum Lynch creates from them now the standard for new initiates? I’m still working my way through, and things are a little hazy

[real cedar]

Yup, she sold it to Huff who distributed it throughout the AHA. This is later reinforced in Desolation's Wake where Sofia and Hardin talk about how Lynch's serum runs through everyone's veins, and the possible threat that could pose.

[lucid anvil]

Gotcha, I thought that was how things stood but I wanted to check. I remember one of the recent events Lynch was mentioned again, right? And finch is dead via Chary, I remember that much… man, I had no idea how big of a deal that was at the time

Going through all this is.. like seeing for the first time. Seriously, I don’t know what I’d do if you didn’t save all this stuff lol

Sorry for the bombard of questions, but one more: the hunters are now against Lynch for the most part, or at least are aware of the threat she may or may not pose, right? Like I say, I’m still working through it all

[real cedar]

Yup, Tide of Desolation revealed that she was a Witch as she raised the Drowned from the Land of the Dead, and then that knowledge was spread to other hunters in Desolation's Wake; the Drowned talking to Hex Breaker and the Death Pact, as well as Circe Elias and Hail Mary discussing it in the Mako lore.

[lucid anvil]

Rightyo, thanks! Im coming to grips with it all now I think. It’s a very engaging read, going through all this stuff.

[real cedar]

I'm pretty happy with where the lore has been going lately, especially the last two events compared to the half-understandable metaphysics of the Tide trilogy and the completely mindboggling Moon trilogy

[lucid anvil]

I haven’t really seen enough of the moon events or the original lore to comment, but I have to say the production quality of the latest one and the way they present it has shot WAY up, imo. Plus, it’s just really cool to be able to feel the action described with background details like gunshots and explosions. I really enjoyed the bit with the burning oilfield. Not done the event yet, but Preston seems like an interesting character too. Him and those bracketed comments i am super invested in.

[real cedar]

In other news:
Prompted by someone's question, I took a look at the two civil war skins we have, Otis Blackwell and Jesse Buchanan. I don't know too much about the Civil War, got most of it from google searches, so if someone has better knowledge jump in where I'm wrong.

Otis Blackwell is definitely a Union cavalryman, by the coat and hat. The red diamond on his wrist might suggest he's from either the 3rd or 25th corps, 1st division. More likely to be 3rd, as the 25th was noted for being primarily african-american. The number on the diamond doesn't appear to be normal for that symbol, I couldn't find any reference to it in my searches. The shoulder board is hard to see, but the two lines suggest he was a Captain.

Jesse Buchanan is wearing a rather unique uniform. At first glance it has the sleeve rank of the Confederates, but after that nothing else adds up, no sleeve color or collar rank. That's because it takes its design from European hussar style jackets, which also used sleeve ranks. The rank on the upper arm is Sergeant Major, which confirms this is an American jacket as the Europeans didn't use that same symbol. Altogether, it points towards one of the two hussar regiments of the Union, the 3rd New Jersey Cavalry nicknamed 'the Butterflies'. You could actually do a very proper cosplay build of this regiment now that the Spencer carbine is in the game. Pair it with the cavalry sword and you're good to go.

[lucid anvil]

Hm. That is actually really cool

Art team did a good job, it seems!

[orchid tangle]

I have that coat
figuring out those capes is very annoying

[warm quartz]

Pretty sure it isn't even his jacket

He's a phoney

[real cedar]

Yeah I was thinking that too, he's too young to be a vet and his bio describes him as a mugger and killer. He probably grabbed it off some poor guy

[orchid tangle]

I feel like it's more of since the army still used blue informs in the 1890s they just took a random blue uniform reference and rolled with it
he could def be like indian war type vet, it's not like there wasn't a bunch of blood thirsty killers in the army at the time

[vague crescent]

I believe Otis is wearing a cavalry hat however suggesting cavalry not infantry, the crossed Sabres and golden knot also jive with this.

[real cedar]

Ah, is the Corps symbol only for infantry?

[vague crescent]

Not sure but cavalry hats are pretty special and distinctive

Civil war divisional stuff was somewhat sloppy post war and it doesn’t seem a stretch that cavalry or infantry was attached here or there or anywhere at all. Wearing a cavalry hat and not being cavalry though was a big thing, cavalry were “cool” and wearing it without earning it was going to result in a fist fight at the very least

It looks like iii corps, did infact have a cavalry unit attached to it as a subsidiary component. So spotting the iii corps insignia was also correct, he was a captain with iii corps and a cavalryman then.

And his lore accurate rifle should be the spencer rifle and likely the conversion pistol?

[real cedar]

In the video and on the cover he uses an uppercut, so spencer / uppercut would be his loadout.

Or maybe he's upgraded in the last 30 years to something else

[vague crescent]

Oh yeah the uppercut is a dragoon isn’t it, so yeah

[real cedar]

I just caught something else about Blackwell: he's got some real nice tattoos on his hands, which appear to depict an eagle or phoenix on one, and then an eagle and dragon together on the other. The eagle and dragon is the heraldry of the First Dragoons, which later became the 1st Cavalry Regiment. I'm not sold on the connection yet but I'll look deeper into it.

Ha, I found the exact image the tattoo came from

It comes from the 1557 book Devises Héroïques, a manuscript of emblems

[warm quartz]

I see you consult ancient tomes as you research hunt lore

[real cedar]

It certainly leads me down strange roads as I search. Luckily google gave the result for dragon & eagle intertwined

[vague crescent]

Dope as hell!

[empty basin]

@real cedar once again, great work! Love reading all this stuff!

[real cedar]

Vinson Hayes has the same pair of tattoos, interesting 🤔

Caitlyn Hammond doesn't, however. Extra interesting

[spiral mica]

nobody should disgrace you for gator skins

[real cedar]

Man I wish we had a Hunter 3d viewer. There's some details on the skins that I want to look more into but the only way to do that is to grab a buddy who has all the skins and head to the shooting range with a spyglass.

[granite shard]

Dude it’s SO hard doing art sometimes bc of all the details you can’t see on hunters

[spiral mica]

I think the new UI lets you disable the hunter graph to view your hunter a little bit better

[granite shard]

Even then it’s still not great bc there’s a lot of things like tattoos on forearms and stuff that you just can’t see

[real cedar]

I caught something interesting on Sofia's forearm, center crosshair helps a little bit for seeing more: "Cuatro Moriran, Cuatro Rena-". The first meaning four shall die. The second is unclear, four something

[molten forge]

cuatro renacerán perhaps?

Four will die, four will be reborn.

[real cedar]

Now THAT would be an extremely interesting twist to Sofia's revenge quest, and her deal with Death.

[molten forge]

It also fits in things being cyclical.

[real cedar]

Four of her family died from what I can tell of her story. Four shots killed them.

I've done what I can in-game, now it's time to check artstation for detailed models of the hunters, at least the ones available.

[granite shard]

I’m fairly certain that’s what it is

Tho I thought it was like four died/four remembered

I desperately wish for actual scar and tattoo references for all hunters

[real cedar]

It definitely looks like it could be long enough for renaceran

[granite shard]

I think you can get her in a death pose that shows the tattoo off

[real cedar]

I might just start playing with a spyglass regularly to try and catch details after fights or before the match begins on teammates

[zenith perch]

I was reading through the Mako lore, Mary and Circe were a thing? And they broke up?

[real cedar]

Yup

[granite shard]

circe chose vengeance over a stable relationship

[zenith perch]

[raw gust]

In fairness to her, vengeance is pretty cool

[zenith perch]

So basically Mary was like "if you continue this we can't be together"?

[zenith perch]

True

[granite shard]

yeah, mary's ultimatum was basically "it's me or it's revenge, you can't have both"

circe:

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-gif-18213363

[raw gust]

You always see stories where people are like "my vengeance has destroyed me" at the end. There should be more that end "vengeance is great! I'm pretty jazzed right now!"

[zenith perch]

So Circe chose vengeance afterall?

[granite shard]

oh yeah she's going hard on that vengeance train

[zenith perch]

Cicre's journal was burned right?

[granite shard]

I'm not sure

but she had a record breaking fumble there lmao

[zenith perch]

Indeed

Bro fumbled harder than my KD plummeting

[granite shard]

tfw you have a gf who's forsaking all of her vows to be with you and you still manage to lose her

[zenith perch]

Smh

Sofia and Lulu are the only stable relationship

[real cedar]

Proof that communication isn't the key to a good relationship

[granite shard]

I'm really curious to see like

the language exchange there

like was sofia writing in spanish to lulu who could understand it at all, or was it mostly there to record her own thoughts?

and then sofia seemed able to communicate w english speakers in tide of corruption/desolation's wake but how much english does she speak?

[zenith perch]

I imagine she's bilingual

But she writes in her native language in her journal

[granite shard]

when they first met, lulu mused about them not being able to speak the same language

the way I imagine it going with them is they kinda do a mix of spanglish and gestures at each other

[zenith perch]

Texmex

[dusky compass]

so we're getting quads at some point?

[clever wharf]

idk if its lore related but i spotted this in terminus railyard upstairs the round roofless building. maybe its an easter egg or something. WP24 = Waypoint 24 and the other stuff are directions/coordinates maybe?

[bold lagoon]

Is that possible that city we see on the new can be a future candidate for a new map ?

[edgy aspen]

The I-Beam text is from an old skyscraper photo from the early 1900s. There is a photo online of workers high up and those numbers are there.

[real cedar]

Interesting

[real dove]

Sadge. Still wish it was some cool puzzle

[granite shard]

sameeee

[edgy aspen]

Wp24 is a Wolfgang Puck restauraunt.

[warm quartz]

So, how common are guns in louisiana?

Only cool hunters took a roadtrip to the colorado, but people around new orleans are fighting for survival

Stuff like shortened springfields implies that even pistols aren't common there

I think old surplus weapons like springfields and spencers are the most widespread

Conversion is naturally the most widespread pistol

Then there are weapons that common folk use

Winfields, uh sorry, rangers, infantrys and frontiers

[dusky compass]

pitchforks

[warm quartz]

Fascinating input

Shotguns like romero and rival

Paxes and scottfields

Then there are weapons professional hunters brought

Modern army rifles, shotguns with magazines, bows and crossbows

Then there are russian weapons brought in by some madman with ship full of weapons

Dolches, Crown-&-Kings, nitros and drillings got to be the rarest of them since first two are just prototypes and the rest are super expensive custom works

[spiral mica]

probably not because I don't really see them doing a large urbanized combat setting like that

the buildings being run down and the environment being untamed really emulates that wild frontier kinda feel that Hunt showdown has

although I think it might be a cool idea to see what new york was like during their outbreak incident

[edgy aspen]

Given that New Orleans was a major port city and end of the Mississipi, there were ample opportunity to move supplies in and out. Contrast that with SW Colorado in thr late 1890s, no major railroad, no r8ver lines and mountainous isolated area, supplies would be pretty sparse. You still find a lot of old ass ruins from the time in this area of the country. Silverton, Durango area of SW Colorado is pretty sparse. Mammon's gulch looks heavily inspired by that area of Colorado.

[vague crescent]

I think it’s important to remember price scaling here as well. A colt single action army during its heyday in the 1890s would have been around 17 dollars, which is 450ish bucks today. Considering how little scratch most folk had at their disposal this counted as a significant investment, a cowboy made between 25-40 bucks a month back then depending.

At the same time the old west is full of accounts of people just, finding old guns everywhere. Hell buckshot roberts of Johnson county war fame made his last stand with a Hawkins flint lock he just found randomly in the building he chose to hole up in. It makes a lot of sense to repurpose as many of these weapons as possible.

Never mind consider how long special ammo, repair parts for exotic guns etc may take to get to you even discounting the monetary concerns.

Though personally I’d kill for a few skins that made already in game guns look like different ones entirely. Make a pax look like a Remington 1875 for instance?

[high stone]

If you ignore lore timelines and dates - judging only by the way the maps look - the buildings being rundown and environment untamed in Louisiana is probably the results of destruction and neglect after the civil war in some spots, neglect through Reconstruction, and finally hit with the “sculptor” disaster in 1894/5. It really looks like there were resistance efforts (barricades, animal culling, burning) and mitigation efforts (cages/traps, supplies and equipment staging, etc.) Not exactly frontier environments, but definitely some of the backwaters.

[dim junco]

are the new event characters the same person? like drifter is high noon and the two grotesque people are the same guy?

[lucid anvil]

Yup!

Shame they didn’t do multi phase skins like before

[dim junco]

yeah it’s a little weird but i can live with it thank you

[misty falcon]

Chat

Are there any documents of the sculptor chat

Actually it’s 3AM pls DM me if you wanna tell me so I don’t have to scroll through this chat in the morning

[spiral mica]

The American civil war ended 30 years earlier and then they got hit with the sculptor disaster. I would think the buildings and the general area looking run down is a result of the aftermath from the initial days of the outbreak in Louisiana. Kind of like how the environment looked and felt during the first few seasons of the Walking Dead.

Louisiana also experiences a lot of tropical storms and hurricanes which also cause immense flooding. Just like in Japan, the houses and buildings in Louisiana are built to go up as quickly as they come down.

[restive patrol]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/i-want-hunt-to-last-for-another-decade-if-not-more-crytek-goes-deep-on-hunt-showdown-s-new-name-upgraded-engine-and-future-map-plans/?utm_source=steam&utm_medium=referral they've alluded to what the next map would be here

[frozen drift]

So hayali joined butcher’s cleaver and beekeeper for a bit, then convinced them to spare Harold?

[real dove]

cackling

SPONGE ME BOY

battlepiano for the win

[sweet cedar]

i heard it and i stopped for a moment. im like "no fuckin way, this can't be really that song" and yeah, its called 12th street rag, and its royalty free. but now we know it for a different reason lol

[real dove]

Yeah!

[lucid anvil]

Where is that?

[sweet cedar]

the compound between the mountain mines. i cant remember the name

sometimes it plays sometimes it doesnt. i found a piano in the forrest that plays this sometimes too.

i heard of a rich family trying to cross the rockies that tried to move thier piano and they got to a point where it would not fit so they said "fuck it" and left it on the side of the road. passing people would play it for fun until it would not work anymore. that might be a nod to it.

it was a landmark on some wagon trail for awhile

[lucid anvil]

Interesting. I know that one on the road. It has the poster like the one in lower desalle right? I had it play the song that plays in lower desalle

[hoary moat]

So, I got on this track of thinking about flare rifles, and how the Romero shotgun is just a glorified flare rifle, as you can bring star shell with it. But my question is; Why have we not seen a hand mortar in game yet? There is historical precedent for it after all.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Fc9%2F86%2Fe9%2Fc986e95bf7aaa005cdf2cdb90f2cb430.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=20069df1ca796d11d036a91295d5eb488083a6e81d4ef41f0c9e0c1f7708a3dc&ipo=images

[real cedar]

It's a little too far back in history to belong with rest of the 19th century gilded age firearms.
Just looking at the wikipedia article for it, one guy's opinion of them in the 1880s is that they were a toy, hardly meant for real war.
Then there's the gameplay reasons. Explosive crossbow, frag arrows, and wax frag charge bomb lance all fill its niche

[hoary moat]

Forgot about explosive crossbow. I retract my statement.

[warm quartz]

Yes. Why? Because he liked their vibe.

[amber harbor]

Pretty sure its a new default song, heard it at the railway depot and the stockhouse too

On a related note, does anyone recognize the 5th gramophone track from the wiki?
https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/World#Gramophone

Feels like an event song but I don't remember hearing it before

[real cedar]

Light the Match, from The Devil's Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4nOdbQLh24

[upbeat kiln]

I have written a season of fan fiction :)) Shoot me a DM if you want a link to the prototype

[thick nova]

yooooo hazmat, glad to see you around, big fan!

[lucid anvil]

Oh hey, they added that one now? Neat! Good song that

I also appreciate they are different versions of the songs. They sound more degraded and such in game

[upbeat kiln]

Appreciate it ❤️

[ornate kite]

@upbeat kiln its the real haz, most definitely, im going through your lore videos rn

[edgy aspen]

From Desolation Wake's resdings, who is the Beekeeper's daughter?

[granite shard]

never seen

[zenith perch]

Yeah

But now that Beekeeper is back supposedly

[spiral mica]

I think the pig and bee Hayali are referring to could be entirely different people than Beekeeper and Butcher's cleaver

I'm only speculating here but the bee mentioned in chapter 6 could be the Beekeeper's daughter

and as for whoever pig is my only conclusion would be it's someone else taking on the mantle of Butcher's cleaver seemingly how like Scaled ward would take on the mantle of the Reptilian.

[granite shard]

It’s entirely possible they’re different people. I doubt it would be the beekeeper’s daughter tho

Their relationship seemed to be nonexistent so I doubt the daughter would join the demented pact

[spiral mica]

I say this because the Beekeeper is supposedly still in the land of the dead transformed and far from human anymore and the Butcher's cleaver is most certainly deceased.

[spiral mica]

fair point here could also be another demented taking on the mantle of beekeeper as well.

[granite shard]

Hayali could be bullshitting as well with the names pig and bee. There’s a lot of potentials

[spiral mica]

Hayali does seem like kind of a trickster

not to be entirely trusted

after reading the chapters I can't even really discern what his goals even really are

[granite shard]

He’s there picking up stories mostly it seems

[spiral mica]

He's looking for new screenplay ideas

[granite shard]

And I think he also just got roped into pig & bee’s whole thing so he was just playing along until he could get an out

He’s just a silly guy

[spiral mica]

I feel like most hunters are like that, just pitching in to achieve their own goals.

and going back to the whole identities of bee and pig I also wanted to point out that numerous different hunters have been revived in some sort of way like John Robertson the Revenant and William Durant the Black coat just to name a few and that could mean Butcher's cleaver and Beekeeper have been resurrected somehow too.

[granite shard]

The black coat likely never died

His death was recorded in a fictionalized retelling of the lives of the twins

[spiral mica]

wait so his death was misinformation?

[granite shard]

Seemingly so

[spiral mica]

interesting

[warm quartz]

He was just vibing with them until he felt like he'd vibe with the researcher more

He mentions pain in his heart as he said good bye to them

[dusky compass]

I like how you are dual wielding them.

[green pollen]

AU where the romero handcannon was a small weapon that you could duel wield, and the hatchet was medium slot

[warm quartz]

So uh

I saw this picture on the internet

[real dove]

And? They missed the bottom one, so it would be a six sided star lol

[warm quartz]

six

The devil's number

[real dove]

It's just a UI lol

[warm quartz]

OK mister moderator

Surely it's just a coincidence

[real dove]

I'm a female, but likely. The sheer number of battlepasses is kinda wild but doubt they were putting that in maliciously lol

[visual finch]

How is that lore

[zenith perch]

Lore™️

[buoyant peak]

Lore

[real dove]

@granite shard I suspect Phantom does have a leg missing actually still

just in his boot

Looking at the model on artstation, that brace goes all the way down and around the boot and such

Could be wrong but that's a helluva brace, and imo looks a lot like it's keeping the leg on the body

[granite shard]

I think it's only a brace mostly because we see him multiple times talking about his amputated arm and adapting to it, and then the prosthesis

we don't really see any references to a missing leg

I think it's just a really fucked leg so he needs a serious brace

[real dove]

tru. helluva brace

[granite shard]

I'd love to know what specifically fucked him up so bad and what the extent of it all is

I suspect he lost vision in an eye based on one of the lines from his entries

[real dove]

yeah, or has it damaged

just reread his letters cause I'm still trying to get where I thought (and ngl, still think) he was also missing a leg

he's got a facial scar for sure

[granite shard]

yeah

I also don't know how much of his arm is missing-- like if it's just his hand and a little bit of his forearm, or closer up to his elbow

[real dove]

looks like past the elbow

I just looked at it

the straps holding it on are on his bicep

[granite shard]

yeah it looks like past the elbow but one of the entires makes reference to resting the barrel of the gun on his forearm

[real dove]

and there is a hinge there

tru

could just be a disconnect from the model

[granite shard]

yeah

i think it's also possible that the prosthesis goes up that far for stability

[real dove]

could be

wouldnt stay on very well if it was just on bicep

so likely you're right

[zenith perch]

And it's a magic prosthetic

You can inject the demon juice in it

Memes aside

I do wonder if it's magic

Cause Lynch made it right

[real dove]

She is defnintely connected to it. I assume there is some kind of magic since he appears to be able to use it as a normal arm. and that tech wasnt available then

[granite shard]

yeah probs magic, not sure to the extent

[zenith perch]

Bro is Hard-core Henry injecting adrenaline into his cyborg legs

[mint wind]

If you miss an arm at these times, you're completely fucked normally. You can use a hook only. Except he gets to have movable fingers.

So there's definitely something fishy with his arm, unless it's just "shut up it just works".

[granite shard]

since lynch is a witch it's 99% magic stuff

[mint wind]

Wynch

[zenith perch]

Wynch Lynch

[amber harbor]

At one of the mines I assume?

[tired spear]

nope! At Preston's oil.

Because nothing screams "oil industry" like "wage slavery"

[zenith perch]

Such a great work environment

[real cedar]

Happy to see at least one new piece of lore but at the same time it kinda irks me

They deliberately edited this poster board to add a new piece of paper, while the rest of the papers remain about Louisiana

The implications of the number are interesting. From what little I could find on mine fatalities in Colorado, it's pretty high, something like 4x the recorded irl fatalities for all of 1896.
If only the records on miner fatalities were properly formatted by year instead of by alphabetical order from 1884-1963 😩

[spiral mica]

It's a 6 sided star like this ✡️

[spiral mica]

I always assumed he had a wooden prosthetic leg tucked away underneath his pants and boot and that splint acts as extra support

[real dove]

Yeah, I still assume the same and it just wasn't mentioned. Maybe someday we'll know for sure

[spiral mica]

I like how we've been getting more alternate versions for previous legendary hunters

Like drowned rat and kid

one thing I don't know is if Shade: drifter and highnoon are the same guy or different people

[real cedar]

Same guy, both descriptions say Jefferson Shiloh

[hollow orchid]

Suprised the researcher is still alive. thought he died in the swamp.

[spiral mica]

I still can't figure out how to read the hunter descriptions

[real cedar]

You can read them in the Battlepass for these new hunters at least

[spiral mica]

but not ones you already own?

[real cedar]

Nope, zero means to read about your owned hunters. It's such bullshit. Only unowned store hunters and battlepass hunters get bios, and maybe prestige hunters later by the looks of the UI video

[granite shard]

you also can't see hunters that you can't unlock

[spiral mica]

yeah I can't see the dark tribute only hunters and I didn't know why at first

[lucid anvil]

Ah- this is that message I mentioned a while back! Was I right with deadfall timber?

[real cedar]

Yup, right in the doorway coming in from the western side

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, I’m going to be real that was a huge bummer

And neat, glad I was right lol. I appreciate how distinct the compounds are on this map.

[spiral mica]

I just now noticed this too and also thought the fatality rates were really high

But I guess it makes sense considering Colorado didn't actually have a zombie apocalypse in the year 1896

[real cedar]

If it is meant to be related to the Corruption, that sets the date of infection for Mammon's Gulch back several months from what I previously thought. Maybe the fever that swept through Mammon's Gulch happened in the winter?

Nah, it can't be that cause the Mooresville Intelligencer talks about Gulch laborers being idle specifically because of the heat, which has only been going on for a couple weeks. If the infection began in the winter the place would be desolate for months.

[granite shard]

I’m hoping that shit kicked off in winter since that would line up w everyone traveling there

[ornate kite]

who keeps producing serum? if the ritual is so crazy

[ornate kite]

was Dr. Jones experiments the rituals to gather serum?

[lucid anvil]

Don’t quote me, but I believe the serum using the demon bits was an exclusively Lynch thing…

[amber harbor]

Maybe they were stealing miners for their bounty oil experiments since winter, and the corruption only started in summer?

[amber harbor]

Maybe they use the blood of already inocculated hunters, since idk if they know how to catch demons?

Or they just keep on doing what Lynch was doing in pax claw masteries

But I doubt she would give the AHA instructions on how to catch demons, it strikes me as a weapon that could be used against her and generally not a wise move

[gilded umbra]

Why does Shade: High Noon wear 3rd eye sunglasses?

[topaz plover]

I also wondered this

[real dove]

He's going to a matinee

[real cedar]

The Dark Sight So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades

[zenith perch]

What if you had different objectives as a demented hunter

Like protecting targets or spreading corruption

[real dove]

If being demented let me pat rotjaw id never be anything else

[zenith perch]

Or give Hellborn a hug

He needs it

[real dove]

dude just has the worst case of acid reflux

[native marlin]

we got beetle pets we can get rotjaw pets

[zenith perch]

Get Scarpbeak to go to therapy

[native marlin]

make the roaming scrapbeak outside of lairs bug real so i can extract with him and bring him

[lucid anvil]

Literally. Hell, even if it just let you sit next to her and not have her monch your toes.

Like, I’m still using those >:[

[real dove]

She's feeling snaccy

I cant blame her

[lucid anvil]

Let us bring in some food for her so she doesn’t steal my toes tbh

Or maybe it’s more of a personal space thing

[real dove]

new tool: leg of previous hunter you killed

[lucid anvil]

XD
Honestly wouldn’t be opposed

[real dove]

Can use it as melee weapon

[lucid anvil]

He probably does, but he is a little bit too warm

[lucid anvil]

OMG YES

The intimidation factor of being beaten to death with some geezers leg

[real dove]

honestly if they added an arm or leg bat option

Idk what id do but it would be fun

[lucid anvil]

Bone club skin or something?

[real dove]

"helping hand" baseball bat skin

[lucid anvil]

HA

[real dove]

"shin splints" leg baseball bat skin

CRYTEK IT WOULD BE FUNNY

along with spider themed hunter

[lucid anvil]

I mean, if you put a big weight on the end of someone’s leg bone it would be a decent mace I feel

Which is kinda what the bat is

[real dove]

true, femurs are hella stronk

[lucid anvil]

Thank you, I didn’t know how to spell it lol

[real dove]

tho they're about 18inches long

maybe femur handle, metal end

I just want the whole leg tho

lemme hit a man with another man

[lucid anvil]

I like the way you think

[real dove]

I think that may be concerning for you

according to other people

[lucid anvil]

Poppycock

They just don’t know how the mind of a melee player works

I don’t even play Monroe, I’m fine

[real dove]

melee my beloved

[lucid anvil]

Right, so I’m reading through some stuff about the corvids…. Brood and bile. Not sure where it comes from, but it mentions “the doctors snare”. Do they have a poison tripmine along with their skins?

[real cedar]

Yup, it's a BB skin

[lucid anvil]

I ask because the one in the story seems VERY strong for a poison tripmine

[lucid anvil]

I thought so! Hm. I suppose the guy wasn’t a hunter, right?

[real cedar]

Yeah, just some regular sheriff. The Necrosis hive bomb skin also describes the difference in effects when non-hunters get hit with its poison

[lucid anvil]

Right. So I guess hunters just have stronger legs lol

To be fair some of the heights I’ve fallen from and walked away in hunt…

[real cedar]

Oh right the guy's leg gets blown off from the trip mine. That part's really weird, makes me think there was something else involved

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, that was my main point of contention. Might be worth seeing how it affects a grunt when it’s triggered, since I don’t think they are particularly more resistant than a normal human in terms of what damage they can take

I’d have to look

And probably re read

Also something to note, the original seems to use different venom to the one in game

[lucid anvil]

It mentioned an explosion, yeah

[zenith perch]

Baseball Bat for the win

I've killed so many teams with it recently

[real dove]

Lance my beloved, but I would 100% run around with some dude's leg bapping people

[zenith perch]

Had a hilarious match where I killed my teammate, the last guy alive, and a piano all in one swing

[real dove]

oof

[zenith perch]

Maybe the fabled spider hunter will have a Infantry Musket Bayonet, Hand Crossbow, and a Poison Bomb skin

Or Rival Tramua skin

[real cedar]

I'm hoping for a Specter Carbine skin that has some silly detail on the buttstock loader like an angry face that you feed bullets to.

[real cedar]

With the 4k wallpaper out I've got a slightly better look at the tattoo on Vinson Hayes and Otis Blackwell's hand. There's a serpent crawling up a tree towards an eagle's nest I believe. I've seen one old copper engraving that mirrors the idea but I'll see if I can find the exact source

[real cedar]

I found the hand tattoo, turns out it's disconnected from the snake tree. The illustration of the phoenix comes from the 1493 Liber Chronicarum by Hartmann Schedel.

[real cedar]

The storytelling you can get from just the tattoos is really something.
I think Otis and Vinson are true blue AHA hunters, veterans from before the Louisiana Event. Naturally they'd be a duo since the rule of two hadn't been broken yet. Then with the adapted serum and trios being possible in 1895, they picked up Caitlyn. Not as experienced, but certainly ambitious if the video is anything to go by.

[spiral mica]

In the video she got the first kill with a Vetterli deadeye

So not as experienced as she may be she defiantly makes up for it in skill

and with enough time running hunts with Otis and Vinson Caitlyn will be as experienced as they are

[empty basin]

I wonder if there is a story in the Liber Chronicarum about 3 protagonist and their adventure that could apply to those 3

[real cedar]

The Nuremberg Chronicle is sort of a total history of western civilization kind of thing cut into ages, from genesis, to the flood, to the birth of abraham and the greek world, then the roman world, then the birth of christ, then the rest of history up to the time it was written. It's like a mixture of bestiary, history, mythology, and religious canon all mixed into one

[empty basin]

Then there has to be a story in there about 3 protagonist battling evil together... But knowing Hunt, something messed up probably happens to them in the end, lol.

[real cedar]

HA! found the snake-thing tattoo. It's not as storied as the other two, it's just an illustration from a renaissance typography print, collected into a book in 1926.

Oh wait, it's from something earlier, "The Four Books of Grammatical Institution" by Theodori Gazæ
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k994500n

[empty basin]

@real cedar dude you are killing it with this shit! You shoulda been a detective, lol

[empty basin]

Man, I just finished Hazmat's recent video and it made me realize I really didn't know shit about Lynch

Great video as always.

[tacit beacon]

Need a link to boss back stories STAT

[real cedar]

https://hunt-stats.com/library

[tacit beacon]

@real cedar much appreciated

[fleet abyss]

Am I misremembering something or is LuLu a psychopath in the lore

[spiral mica]

her and Sofia convinced a Nun (not Mary Burgess) to murder a bishop according to the Scottfield lore iirc

[mint wind]

Is she called Burgess in reference to Clockwork Orange tho ?

[fast yacht]

them scottfields got so much lore for some reason

[granite shard]

That’s from the lemat carbine/ironside entries. The nun also just kinda watched as the two of them killed the bishop

The scottfield entries cover more of their first meeting and start of their relationship slash murder spree

[fast yacht]

still mad they made billy a would be assaulter and then killed him off

all that swag and for what

[mint wind]

Who knows, maybe they'll retcon some lore...

[amber harbor]

Technically it isnt confirmed it was him, just a guy named Billy

[fast yacht]

True, I’ll wear blinders over my eyes

[warm quartz]

And as far as I understand he was the one who killed three(two) brothers

[tired torrent]

Where can i learn all hunt lore till now?

[visual finch]

The posts in the pinned messages in this channel have everything you need to quench your thirst for lore

[real dove]

Truth. Feel free to ask questions too

[spiral mica]

By law that Nun would still be accomplice to murder via guilt by association.

Also I need a standoff between Mary and Circe vs Lulu and Sofia

"This town ain't big enough for two Lesbian power couples"

[real cedar]

and then Jos and Alison crash the showdown to make it a royal rumble

[fast yacht]

?

[real cedar]

The song is out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBcLhZdIH3E

[granite shard]

let's gooooo

[empty basin]

[lucid anvil]

Fantastic song too!

[native glade]

Billy swag was needed in early hunt

[warm quartz]

🤓 ackhtually it was out even earlier on the band's channel

[real cedar]

Yeah but now we actually know the lyrics

[real cedar]

Update on Vinson Hayes' tattoos: There's another on his left forearm, this one is from the Devises heroïques as the dragon/eagle one was.
https://www.emblems.arts.gla.ac.uk/french/emblem.php?id=FPAb163

[spiral mica]

It's so unbelievably good

It feels so much more intense and aggressive than anything else they've ever produced so far

[real cedar]

@amber harbor Hey, I noticed you've been updating the wiki, great work 💪
I took some screenshots of the last book of weapons entries before the update cause the wiki didn't have em yet, can you add them in? https://imgur.com/a/FzRz2EQ

[fast crescent]

Looking for any piece of lore for the following: Plague doctor, Bile, Brood, Morrigan, and Midian. If anyone can point me in the right direction.

[real cedar]

The Compendium in the pinned comments has a section for each of them that links to everywhere they've been mentioned. Brood & Bile have lore in the caldwell marathon mastery as well as an online blogpost. Morrigan and Midian have their steam description and a scene in the Tide of Corruption event story.

[fast crescent]

Thanks!! I appreciate it. 😊 I was having some trouble finding pinned posts on the mobile app, but I found out how to navigate to it.

[spiral mica]

So I was rewatching the new Hunt showdown 1896 launch trailer to see if I missed anything important and it got me thinking what if instead of audio entries for event stories we got full fledged cutscenes with the same voice actors that have been doing the event stories so far.

It's probably not in Crytek's budget to actually do that but imagine how cool that would be.

[empty basin]

Anyone notice that on the map there is a campfire with a bench, a book, a beer bottle and a bucket under the bench and it has Otis Calvary hat sitting there?

[real cedar]

I've seen a couple cavalry hats around the map. That one is near O'Donovan Stone, right?

[spiral mica]

I think that's just a normal soldier's hat

Otis's hat seems pretty standard for the time and it could also mean Otis is a veteran or something

[latent falcon]

What is this symbol from?

[real cedar]

That's painted on supply wagons, right?
Haven't really thought about it having a meaning or anything. I don't think it appears anywhere else in the game

[latent falcon]

Yeah, this screenshot is also from the shooting range next to all the weapons and stuff

[real cedar]

The bird motif fits with a lot of other AHA symbolism. Bird skull totems that hunters wear, eagle engravings and tattoos, 'Finch', "Death is a Bird Flying", etc.

[native marlin]

that does look similar to the as the crow flys symbol but im not sure its 1for1

but yea, birds, death, crows, im sure its something specific but i wouldnt know enough to be sure

[real cedar]

With it being attached to supplies, it almost feels related to Scrapbeak. I don't think it is at all though

[latent falcon]

Scrapbeak is the first thing I thought about too but I don't know much about their lore yet so I didn't know if it made sense

[real cedar]

There's a scrapbeak cult that got killed by Morrigan and Midian, so the two skulls almost seem like it could be related to them, but since they're Demented hunters it doesn't seem like they'd have any hand in setting up supply points

[native marlin]

i see why its semi related, but i doubt scrapbeak is like leaving gifts, best i can see is the scrapbeak followers leaving gifts, but thats just a theory

[real cedar]

Is the symbol new to this update?

[latent falcon]

I just noticed it now since I learnt recently about the special ammo symbol being the AHA logo so I'm not sure, would need to check old gameplays

[warm quartz]

I think it looks like that only during events when pacts are present

But I might be wrong

[real cedar]

It gets put on the wagon that houses the pact pledges, yeah

[latent falcon]

Looks like it wasn't on the shooting range from the beginning

[real cedar]

Definitely event related then

Yup, the same symbol was displaying the new weapons during Desolation's Wake, found a youtube video of the shooting range from then

And the same symbol was on supply points in Tide of Desolation

[native marlin]

it def is not brand new, not sure if the symbol changed at all but its been at carts for a while

[real cedar]

So it's a general "Event stuff is here" symbol. I'll keep going back in time to see which update added it

It wasn't in the Tide of Corruption shooting range, but it was on the supply point

[latent falcon]

Looks like it was there on Devil's Moon

[real cedar]

and Devil's Moon was the first pact event, so yeah it's been that way from the start. Hard to say it has a real meaning beyond event-related.

[young violet]

It looks like one of the symbols that appear on prestige

[real cedar]

Prestige 0, Tier 2.
Interesting

[young violet]

I think it looks closer to tier 3

[real cedar]

It's only got the two skulls, the center point is a bird's foot I believe

Though yeah now that I'm looking at it like that, it does fit

Tier 3s set up supply points CONFIRMED?

[gilded umbra]

https://youtu.be/uU68BRWnyrA?si=NYIPjz1x3I74DrGy

Lynch 😍

[upbeat kiln]

Fun fact: @real cedar actually wrote the majority of that particular script :)) ❤️

[native marlin]

I never saw this before, I'll have to check it out