lore-discussion

[granite shard]

the butcher's cleaver is alive?

[high stone]

“Use before 1896, discard after”

[granite shard]

Hayali’s first chapter talks abt how he got to Colorado and how he was kinda forced to help out the demented pact

[zenith perch]

Come again

[orchid tangle]

he nicknames a character "pig"

when talked about demented people

[granite shard]

He referred to the two as pig and bee

And that they had been cast out in shame or something

It could be someone else but

[noble scarab]

Pig and bee would the butchers cleaver and the beekeeper lady. Both either dead or in the land of the dead presumably

Kinda figured whatever explosion at the end of ToD did in the bee keeper lady or at least turned her into some kind of monster

[granite shard]

They’re in the living world

[noble scarab]

I guess the only thing that stays dead in hunts world is the lore continuity

[zenith perch]

Cause Butchers Cleaver got eaten by bugs at the start of ToD

[real cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16vBsmpcxh4

Trailer's back up

[rotund ferry]

Did they get rid of the lore?

[real cedar]

Yup, they announced they were throwing out the Library a while back, and then they went and threw out half of the Hunter bios with the UI changes. Lore is kill.

[rotund ferry]

Bruh…

The lore was good

[real cedar]

They've said that the Library will be replaced with some other progression system though, so maybe the lore will come back later.
Though if this update is anything to go by, trying to read it will be like pulling teeth

[orchid tangle]

I can't believe Julius Caesar would burn down the Library of Hunt

[granite shard]

I believe the writing team is also no longer fully staffed

So I’m hoping we continue to get event lore but we might not :/

[orchid tangle]

I will say I do think this event had the weakest lore chapters

[empty basin]

What a shame

[high stone]

Oof

[orchid tangle]

bounty token stuff was really interesting but thats like maybe 3 paragraphs of 2 chapters

[high stone]

I doubt it’s coming back

[granite shard]

I hope it is but yeah doubt

[lucid anvil]

Hey! I was wandering about the new map today, and I found a note written in what I believe is the same Voynich script as the ammo boxes… anyone got an idea of how to translate?

The note, for reference

[granite shard]

Looks like ciao something

[real cedar]

It's just cursive, you can tell by the i on the second letter. Voynich has no dotted letters like that.
It's some real rough cursive though, It looks like it might say "Give" something

Oh, Live maybe

Live Cello?

[carmine depot]

'Ciao bella', I think. Hello (or goodbye) beautiful.

[granite shard]

Ciao Bella was my first thought but it doesn’t look like be for the second word’s first characters

[lucid anvil]

Gotcha. Thanks for the help!

[empty basin]

If you see other stuff like that bring a pic here and it will get figured out

[lucid anvil]

I definitely plan to! As a matter of fact, I saw a little something on a board at miners folly…

Here! Not easy to read, but it’s in what I think i the fire station

It’s a letter from a business of some sorts I can tell. “To all(?) of our patrons it is with great regret that we”…

Can’t make out anymore

[molten forge]

Did they remove the lore journals?

[lucid anvil]

They did…

Stupid idea, but they did

I assume they are working on a replacement

[molten forge]

I hope so

[lucid anvil]

CODE!

I think!

[real dove]

I meant to ask, since havent been able to play, do we have any new AI?

[lucid anvil]

Nope, just hellborn

[real dove]

aw

i am.. sad about that

really thought wed get a new grunt

[lucid anvil]

Yeah… :<

Ok, there’s something here…

Gasworks, code, numbers on the pillars…

[high stone]

Whats it a code for??

[lucid anvil]

Not sure, that’s the thing

But I’m confident it is a code

[real dove]

there have been several of these that have popped up

o.o

[lucid anvil]

I’m going on holiday soonish, so I won’t be able to help much unfortunately

[real dove]

all good

we will figure it out

ngl I am excitedf for puzzle but worried this will be the new lore

[granite shard]

in an interview they said it's something they want to include in a future update

but weren't able to get it out w everything else coming

[real dove]

thats fair

[lucid anvil]

Hey, you guys noticed the annotations in brackets on some of the story chapters?

[empty basin]

Ran home on break got to play 1 match got smoked by Nitro, lol. Going to take a lot of getting used to, but new map looks awesome and excited to get to explore after work! Hope to find some lore behind this new setting!

[lucid anvil]

From what I can see, there is a LOT of environmental stuff. It’s great.

At gasworks for Instance, the half finished building is half finished because the workers went on strike

You can read it on a board

[empty basin]

Good for them, hope they all didn't end up grunts and monsters lol

[lucid anvil]

They are dead in the basement.

I’m pretty sure lol

[empty basin]

But that's what I mean, excited to learn from the environmental story telling

Oh damn lol

[amber harbor]

Love the story recording, incorporates some field sounds

[high stone]

Yeah I like the quality of those so far!

[amber harbor]

Makes me wish for a hunt audiobook library, maybe alongside the books

The first recording does seem kinda too clear for a recording, but what do i know

[icy brook]

So we do get cows and bats

Lore crowd eating well

[empty basin]

Whatever happened from 1895-1896 in technology really made the UI something to get used to

That was a joke, and I wasn't trying to be shitty about it either, all in good fun.

[latent bloom]

there's 2 more

[amber harbor]

Where are all these located?

Maybe their locations matter, like they draw a pentagram or something

There could also be dark sight exclusive stuff, like those portraits in Lawson visible only in ds

[high stone]

Wtf, i don’t think I could see those on old console

[latent bloom]

gasworks

on metal beams in both buildings

[spiral mica]

no way Battlefield 1 type easter eggs in my Hunt showdown?!

[high stone]

How did they do this in BF1?

Really curious how these codes get solved..is it a message?

[spiral mica]

most of battlefield's easter eggs rely on specific ciphers and things like morse code to progress

and yes I did say progress, easter eggs like the phantom program take multiple steps to complete

I'd recommend checking out some of Jackfrags videos at Youtube on easter eggs. There's even the BFEE (battlefield easter egg discord) and you could ask around there for potential info

[hidden python]

Wonder what lore there is to talk about now that they REMOVED THE LIBERARY

[real dove]

There is event lore right now :)

As well as new stuff on the maps

It will hopefully be brought back, considering the large amount of work with a new map, UI, boss, etc, it's reasonable that lore was put on the back burner.

[real cedar]

That's a notice about the DeSalle Lewis Saloon having its fiddler murdered, but they got a replacement. For whatever reason they reused Louisiana notice boards in Colorado.

[real dove]

Are these og letters?

[real cedar]

Left one is Lewis Saloon, right one is Sheriff Hardin talking about missing dogs

[real dove]

Ran around the map a bit earlier but didn't stop for a good look

Gotcha

The bit about them refusing to work was funny

Wonder if those are dev signatures

[eternal hazel]

Can we be concerned of…that mammon gulch is somehow close to a live city?

[real dove]

That interested me too

[eternal hazel]

Or that city is also empty

[real dove]

Maybe future map?

[eternal hazel]

Which is hopefully so

[eternal hazel]

Naww, we fighting in Urban Warfare style?

Yeah,its gonna be a nightmare

[real dove]

There was a lot of work put into those map edges

Dunno, was just a thought

Seemed interesting to put a city out there

[eternal hazel]

Ikr

In the middle of a Corrupted area

in colorado

We went from Lousianna to Colorado

[normal knoll]

are the two grotesque skins twins maybe?

[eternal hazel]

I swear if it spreads elsewhere more, guess we’re fucked

[real cedar]

It's the same guy, both bios say James Masters

[keen scroll]

I was wondering, the city doesn't look corrupted. Maybe the townsfolk are still there and they sometimes picnic on the edge of the bad zone and watch the chaos

[normal knoll]

yeah thats where i got confused, also pog james master(s)

[eternal hazel]

That is

[normal knoll]

im trying to figure out the difference (if there is any)

[eternal hazel]

Heh

If i remember correctly some people would watch the soldiers fighting in the civil war (if it was true lol)

[keen scroll]

Exactly where I got the idea

It was the first battle of bull run if I'm not mistaken

[eternal hazel]

Yeah its the Bull

[lucid anvil]

Aww… that’s a shame. I was hoping it was something new. I was praising the effort they put into adding details like that for the new map too…

[lucid anvil]

This is the striking workers I mentioned! It’s very neat

[real dove]

Yeah! There's definitely stuff to be discovered

We ran around the map for a while

[lucid anvil]

There’s tons. It’s going to be so fun exploring it all. Just wish I was here while it was the only map so I could explore properly lol

[real cedar]

Yeah, I saw that notice board in the PCgamer walkaround before launch and I was disappointed to see that asset reused

[lucid anvil]

I found bob ross again too lol

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, it’s a let down… I don’t mean to criticise too much, but I feel like the general quality of updates has been declining… I mean, even balance wise, we get the spear and then we get this new carbine which does everything the martini ironside does, better, with none of the downsides besides penetration.

It’s just… idk.

[high stone]

Is the pen bad on the Spencer? 🤠

[lucid anvil]

Without FMJ it’s not as good as long. It’s still not necessarily bad, it’s just the only thing the ironside has over it.

[high stone]

Haha I saw you reply in the other channel

[lucid anvil]

If high velocity didn’t reduce damage, it would be viable for the martini which would make it worthwhile over the carbine. But as it is, that would just reduce damage too much imo

Anyway, I probably shouldn’t be posting all this in the lore channel lol

Sorry folks

[high stone]

I hear you though, the Martini vs. any repeater with fat bullets like that is going to be tough

The Spencer might be something that should have shown up in Hunt earlier on

(It being a mass produced American military rifle from 30 years before Hunt)

[haughty wagon]

Found this

9 years before the theory of relativity

[real cedar]

He's trying his best

[prisma flare]

Remind me are we one year in the future now from OG hunt?

[real cedar]

Yes, August 1896 is when the game currently takes place. OG hunt was summer 1895, then the Tide Trilogy began moving the timeline forward into November and beyond, then we jumped several months to next summer.

[empty basin]

So it took multiple months for the Hunters to get from LA to Mammon Gulch?

Like the people mentioned at the end of last event, from pacts

[real cedar]

Yeah, it's another wrinkle in the timeline, likely to build up into a knot just like the summer of 1895 did where three different major events happened both simultaneously and after each other.

[empty basin]

Just seemed kinda long since it sounded like they took a train straight there, and Hardin and the group was following behind them.

[real cedar]

Yeah, it's a little confusing why they went for mid summer 1896 instead of early spring 1896

[empty basin]

Maybe I took it too literall, maybe they will make it make more sense, idk

[vague crescent]

incidentally I found that you can get under some of the waterfalls, I didnt see anything but rocks but it may be a place for something to be hidden

[real cedar]

There's a little something in the waterfall at the southeast corner of the map.
Are there other waterfalls elsewhere?

[real cedar]

The Martini-Henry Ironside description says "Modified with a semi-automatic conversion". Is that accurate to say? I thought you had to operate the lever to remove the spent casing.

[empty basin]

It's essentially the same as a Winfield and you don't hear people call a lever action semi automatic, but maybe in 1895 it would have been called that idk.

[real cedar]

I can see why they'd want to avoid saying 'lever-action' as that makes people think of Levering. There's gotta be a better way to describe the Ironside though, it's nothing like actual semi-autos.

I gotta say though, as I'm going through these arsenal descriptions, I'm liking them so far. It's very standardized, easy to read, and provides a little bit of lore with the manufacturer or country of origin to make up for the name changes.
Only two quibbles so far, the LeMat makes no mention of its Confederate/Louisiana/French origins, and the Ironside semi-auto thing.

Oh, and the Katana description makes no mention of Martialist, that seems like an oversight.

[high stone]

Yeah, for the Ironside it sounds like even something like “modified with an external magazine and faster loading mechanism” would be more accurate…semi-auto isn’t right

[vague crescent]

I think the term of art at the time would have been “repeater” as “automatic” was at the time an umbrella term for anything self loading

[real cedar]

Yeah, the pre-2.0 description calls it a makeshift repeating rifle

[vague crescent]

Remember browning who was somebody who’s expertise in such matters was beyond reproach called the very first semi automatic shotgun in production the “auto-5”

The Henry and volcanic are both noted as being “repeaters”

I know the distinction about lever actions is about the perk, but repeating seems to fit.

I do sort of wish we had more of the weird revolvers of the era, though I’m not sure how I’d differentiate them

[real cedar]

Continuing with arsenal observations, some of the name changes regarding variations are good improvements.
"Precision Deadeye" is no longer a term. Instead, Deadeye variants are ones that have stocks, while Bullseye is the term for the two guns with a scope and no stock. (Dolch and Springfield)
The Obrez Drum got renamed to Extended to slightly cut down on variation terms.
Handcannon is no longer a term, instead all stockless shortened guns are called Shortys

I'm gonna miss the handcannon a little bit, its just a very nice, powerful word to use

[vague crescent]

Cool names are cool, allow me to make a proposal?

[real cedar]

Ye

[vague crescent]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_1875 call it the “smoke wagon”

[real cedar]

It'd be corny as hell but imagine calling it the Bellum or Warmaker to differentiate it from the Pax since they were rivals 😂

[high stone]

Is the Vandal Deadeye still around (with a different name?)

[orchid tangle]

warmaker would be badass

[real cedar]

Ah I missed that one in my list, Vandal 73C Bullseye is the new name

[vague crescent]

I like the idea of multiple guns right ontop another stat wise, some may develop preferences just for fashion and hopefully it sends curious folks to Forgotten weapons or wikipedia

[high stone]

Cool! I kind of like that name, although ‘Deadeye’ still let the player know what they were getting, across the board

[dim junco]

confused... the bio for both grotesque dudes talk about james master. are both characters the same person or no?

[real cedar]

Yes, the skins are alternates for the same core character. Shade: Drifter and High Noon is the same thing, as is the old Viper skin.

It's a tiny bit confusing cause they use the colon thing to denote both alternate skins for the same person, and duo characters like Trapper: Buckshot & Trapper: Snare.

[tired spear]

found in east mountain

[real cedar]

Oh come the fuck on

That's the letter from Pearl Plantation, first floor on the dining table

Why are they adding this shit to Colorado when the story doesn't make sense outside the context of DeSalle? There's no unraveling the story if you can't see the well full of bodies.

[real dove]

Yeah. Getting increasingly sad about the reuse of these assets

[tired spear]

oh, is it?

[real cedar]

On the other hand, the map designers are still doing a great job of adding new stuff and bringing detail to the world, outside these few small bits of paper. The dead rats everywhere are great

[real cedar]

Yeah, this is what that specific paper says:

Dearest Fiona,

It is with deepest concern that I write you today. There is no way to soften the blow, no I will not delay: Marcus has gone missing. As you know, he arrived Thursday evening – just in time for Mother’s birthday – and we spent a merry evening over sweet treats and song. It is always such a delight when he is here, and Mother so happy! You were dearly missed, but we understood that you must tend to Frederick of course. To return to the point: in the morning Marcus was gone, his room in disarray. And on the sill of the open window sat his wedding ring sat in a pool of blood!

I contacted the Sheriff, hoping he could help us, but he did not much seem to care. Clearly Marcus did not simply walk out the door, and what of the blood?! But the man took one look at the ring, sighed, and said that it’s often the way of things, tipped his hat, and left us to our worries: He did not even agree to post a notice at the chapel! 

And so we have been left along to handle our troubles alone. All I can do now is pray. Please write if you hear any word.

Yours,
Claire```

Four others can be found, two more in Pearl Plantation and two in Lower DeSalle that tell a full story about Fiona and Lewis DeSalle

[real dove]

Sorry Vlad! Kinda bummed out what I've seen is already known too. I really do love the map, but yeah, kinda bummed about the lore stuff

[real cedar]

Does anyone here have The Benefactor skin? I'm assuming it's mythic and that the blurb is unchanged but I'd like to confirm.

[vagrant stag]

NEW LORE: THE GODS BROKE THE SUN, AND MADE IT SO WE CAN NEVER GO INTO THE ZONES AGAIN WITH A BLACK WALL OF DEATH!

[real cedar]

They broke the moon once, so why not the sun too?

[vagrant stag]

TRUE!

also the bountys arnt dumb any more and they fallow you OUT SIDE THE BUILDING

[real dove]

Ive had them come outside a few times, usually on a charge/jump just as a door is closed. Spider def scared the bazooks outta me yesterday at gasworks, but then i wasnt out of her zone yet and just didnt realize

[vagrant stag]

so wait they can go out side now as well or is that a glitch? because ive seen videos of like scrapbeak comming out side

idk where because I WISH I COULD PLAY 😦

[real dove]

afaik it's a glitch, they are pretty held to a specific location

Sorry to hear, I hope we get some news on fixes in the work as much as the rest :(

[vagrant stag]

yeah and i hate how people are more focused on the UI ChAnGe then the actual problems
tbf new UI is fine just gonna take some getting use to because the old one was so iconic

and i feel bad for you guys with the chaos in the review bombing and rage on this server

im angry but jeezus some of the stuff ive seen people type out

[real cedar]

What the heck

Google Docs has a character limit?

[real dove]

wut

[real cedar]

I've been told my compendium is too powerful and I can't go on without deleting stuff

[vagrant stag]

idk what any of that means

[real dove]

that's silly

Google docs needs to get over it, compendium must go on

[real cedar]

1.5 million characters is the limit, apparently.

[granite shard]

wild

[vagrant stag]

dam man

[granite shard]

what's the word count?

[real dove]

Eh, it's going to happen when you have massive numbers of people upset, and imo, validly upset. I am lucky that I just got a brand new rig right before launch and it's fine for me other than looking at the map freezing and then crashing the game for me. But people who have rigs that should be fine having issues as well as the bugs that have been seen being kinda gamebreaking is going to bring out the haters. Hopefully Crytek will look at the valid points and change some stuff, and of course the bugs and graphics issues will be fixed. But alas, this isnt the channel for this :)

[vagrant stag]

tbf ima just say this now its kinda ironic how people were mad you couldent see headsman in the shadows, NOW YOU CANT SEE ANYONE XD

[real cedar]

I'll remove the weapon description section and add it to a secondary compendium, that'll break the minimal amount of links. After that, I'll have to remove the skin descriptions section and only keep lore-related ones attached to other stories.
I wonder if you can cross-link between docs? Like sending someone straight to a specific bookmark within the doc. That could also be a solution in the long run.

[real dove]

I think so

I had to do a lot of that when i wrote out my dnd stuff. not sure about exact linking

iirc they asked to have access to the docs (just in case) but not sure who handled that for you before pinning

[real cedar]

Ahh nice it does work. So two compendiums is possible, though it's best to keep as much of it on one as I can. The bonus stuff like the timeline can be moved over then.

[real cedar]

Who asked to have access to the docs?

[real dove]

Honestly dint recall

Disregard I found Cado's post

lmk if you separate them out and I'll pin them

Dunno what I was recalling

[real cedar]

Yeah, I'll set up a nice post explaining the split once it's ready

[real dove]

word

If you can make one with all the needed doc links in one place, including the OG, would be extra awesome :)

[real cedar]

Sounds good, Hopefully it plays nicely when two links are in the same post

[real dove]

true

if not not an issue

[real cedar]

OG Compendium just got demoted to 452 pages / 1.1 million characters, Secondary Compendium is up to 200 pages / 403k characters.

[real dove]

"Mad Scribe" title accurate

[real cedar]

Because of Google Doc's character limitations, the Hunt Showdown Lore Compendium had to be split into two documents. The Secondary Compendium features all Weapon Descriptions, all Legendary Skin blurbs, every Easter Egg found so far, all Port Sulphur Band songs, and a full timeline of events. More features may be added in the future as they are introduced in the Lore.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q97ki-3qfYpYz6g9SkRZIwTPn5jKSnIBlYoZsWxHSm8/edit?usp=sharing

This Compendium of Lore features every Book of Monsters entry, every Book of Weapons entry collected into stories, every Legendary Hunter bio, every Event Story, every online blog post, every poster and letter in the maps, every story-related Legendary Skin blurb, links for better reading, and some extra observations such as real life connections and translations. It regularly gets updated as more lore is added to the game.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_rKddGsDAJjaijR5uK1gefOipscWTXeFy8Ry0vF-oTY/edit?usp=sharing

There, that should pin nicely if you do the top one first then the bottom one @real dove

🤔 Do they pin in order of addition or order of post? I shoulda tested that

Ah ye it's order of addition

[pearl gate]

Is there an error made between the map name 'Mammon's Gulch' and this charm that has 'Mammoths Gulch' written on it....I much prefer the name Mammoths 🦣 if I'm being truthful

[real cedar]

Wait, that's what it says? I thought that badge was meant to belong the Marshall Brewer, the first Louisiana woman to become U.S. Marshall

[pearl gate]

Yeah that's what the description states, apparently this is her home turf

[real cedar]

What a twist

[livid crypt]

Now you have to compile in two documents You're too powerful for Gdocs

[real cedar]

Technically I compile in four 😅 I've got a wordpad that keeps track of update history and a spreadsheet that keeps track of the average time between legendary skin additions for all weapons and tools

[livid crypt]

Oh wow

[real dove]

repinned!

Thanks for your efforts!

[real cedar]

💪

[late vector]

Hi, where lore articles in game now?

[granite shard]

Nowhere in game

You’ll need to look at fan archives like Rai’s lore compendium for now

It’s possible we get an official archive at some point or the lore returns to the game

[late vector]

thx for your work

[frozen drift]

Is bee and pig supposed to be the scrapbeak duo?

[granite shard]

it's presumably the beekeeper and butcher's cleaver

[frozen drift]

So the bastard survive getting eaten by beetles

[granite shard]

I guess? it's really weird

I don't like it :/

[frozen drift]

I guess it’s to be expected…

[granite shard]

like black coat being alive is one thing bc like, they can work with the text there and the reliability of the sources to make bad as they seem retroactively more interesting, and also better utilize a character

this is just weird

like sure we didn't get in text "the pig is the butcher's cleaver" (yet, I've only gotten hayali's first chapter. possible it's said more clearly later, or denied more clearly later) but everything is pointing to them being one and the same

[zenith perch]

New butcher themed hunter

[real cedar]

I'm nearly done updating the rarities for all the skins. The few I'm missing and can't access in game are:
-Bingham Brash
-Solzer's Silver
-Spare Dime
-Storied Past
-Lucidus
-Red Dog
-Slither
-Bloodshot
-The Fifth Tale
-Mouthless Melody
-Gold Standard
-Pallbearer's Crutch
-Steady Ember
-Stickbait
-Swine Shrike
-Taste of Salvation
If anyone has these, can you just tell me what their rarities are?

[high stone]

Wait that badge is supposed to be Marshall Brewer’s and she’s now from Mammon’s (Mammoth’s) Gulch??

[real cedar]

I'm thinking maybe the description of the charm is saying it's a fake badge used to scare idiots, that's why it says Mammoth instead of Mammon

[high stone]

Ah ok..

[granite shard]

I think the charm is meant to be the real one

"This here is the badge she sacrificed to join the Hunt."

I wish it just didn't have text on it lol

feels like one of those things where it was concepted out as just like her badge and prob had us marshall stuff on it, and then later in development it was a "hey tie this more directly to the event/map" decision

[high stone]

Haha I thought it was like Rai said, she’s…from Louisiana right? First woman Marshall in LA?

[granite shard]

yeah

"Phoebe Brewer, the first Louisianan woman to become a US Marshall"

(just putting text from stuff here so it's easy to go back and reference)

[high stone]

What in the world

[granite shard]

I rly think this was a pipeline thing

[high stone]

It scared this idiot

Yeah

[orchid tangle]

Pallbearer's Crutch - Mythic
Solzer's Silver - Epic
Spare Dime - Epic
Lucidus - Mythic
Taste of Salvation - Mythic
Steady Ember - Mythic
Red Dog - Mythic
Gold Standard - Mythic
Storied Past - Epic
The Fifth Tale - Epic
Bingham Brash - Epic

I think thats all I own

[high stone]

But does that mean they’re retconning her story to be from CO?

[granite shard]

I don’t think so

Nothing in the lore so far has her talking abt coming home

I think it’s specifically on this charm the lore was prob made before the mammoth’s gulch text was added

Imo this is kinda a showcase of the lore being deprioritized

[orchid tangle]

lore ending before Chary makes a comeback I riot

[lofty quarry]

So here's a question. Is Preston related to the company the Statesman was from? Who is Preson anyway?

[granite shard]

I'm only six chapters into the lore so there hasn't been a great answer yet, but he's a rich guy from the mammon's gulch area who owned the oil company

[lofty quarry]

Makes sense. I'm more surprised that the|| butcher's hand and beekeeper are still alive|| after Tide of Desolation. Maybe they just laid low and didn't get affected by that battle in the underworld

[high stone]

Any full 1896 lore-dump videos yet?

[granite shard]

not that I've seen

[orchid tangle]

I was gonna have one up yesterday but my fucking recording only picked up 3 minutes even though it claimed it picked up the full like 35

I'm gonna try again with another recording software when I'm home in like 2 hours

[amber harbor]

Did you finish the entire story??

[orchid tangle]

yeah

[amber harbor]

Are you even human

Thank you for your service

[orchid tangle]

I am but my debit card isn't

[amber harbor]

Ah forgot about the bb purchase, thought you grinded away

[orchid tangle]

that's a mental challenge I wouldn't be able to win

[granite shard]

now you gotta run around in the bayou as the shroud and flex on everyone

[amber harbor]

Trinkets and stories, paid for in bloodbonds

[noble scarab]

How wild is it that just from playing last night I saw at least 5 shrouds

[high stone]

Wow

[orchid tangle]

I think using the spencer this early is scaring people because it's too stupidly powerful and nobody knows what it is yet

[granite shard]

god I need to use it more

I used it once without iron eye and cried

[zealous palm]

So, in the current event, who's part of which pact? I know Scarecrow was in the Demented before but he doesn't come automatically tied to it anymore, while Fang Shearer is automatically part of the Wilderness

I'm assuming Mountain Man is automatically pledged to the Wilderness, but is the same true for Felis for example?

[granite shard]

I don't believe any hunter is pre pledged to pacts this time, but certain ones have event point boosts

but so far in lore researcher/brewer are both lawful. mountain man and both trappers are wilderness, and then prior demented pact members are still demented

[zealous palm]

Okay, I only ask since I when I played Fang Shearer last night he was prepledged to Wilderness when I started the match

But this was at like 2 am so I might be misremembering

[real cedar]

Fang Shearer isn't related to the event in any way, not even event boosted, so if he is pre-pledged, that's probably a very bizarre glitch

[zealous palm]

And from what it says on Groteqsue's into in the shop it sounds like Felis is part of the Wilderness pact

Since she recruited him to fight the corruption

[granite shard]

felis is part of the primal pact

wilderness pact is different, though their goals are similar

[real cedar]

Felis and the Primal pact scouted ahead to Colorado so I guess freeing Grotesque is part of what she got up to in the meanwhile

[zealous palm]

Aaaah, okay

[real cedar]

She has a soft spot for Demented folk, huh

[zealous palm]

I knew she was Primal, but didn't know if something happened with that

She very much feels like she's trying to save those who would go down the path of the Demented before its too late

Like with Centipede, and I can see the same with Lonely Howl.

[real cedar]

The Primal Pact is about picking up strays 😂

[granite shard]

I think it also makes sense since she was kinda a picked up stray too

[zealous palm]

Iirc, she's a friend of Daughter of Decay too

[granite shard]

yeah

[zealous palm]

Yeah, since Doctor John took her in

[granite shard]

exactly

[zealous palm]

Damn, she's doing a whole found family of pariahs

[granite shard]

with how the land of the dead fucked up worm bite, I also wouldn't be surprised to see her impacted by it as well

[zealous palm]

Do tell!

[granite shard]

the first few sofia chapters of desolation's wake kinda deal with the fact that going into the land of the dead drove him mad

[zealous palm]

Ah, and Felis and Worm Bite were friends?

I've been meaning to get into the lore more, just been getting bits and pieces

[granite shard]

not that they were friends, but in tide of desolation the two of them went with the drowned pact and the daughter of decay into the land of the dead

[zealous palm]

Aaaah

[granite shard]

the daughter of decay seems to have made it out okay, she made peace with her past and came to terms with the fact that she did what she had to in order to survive and her family didn't really hold it against her. worm bite was fully driven mad by The Horrors ™️, and then it wasn't really addressed if felis had been impacted by it

[zealous palm]

Also, while I know it's a little niave to say anyone in the game are straight up good guys, I do like how it's implied that Doctor John's krewe are at least close to being one of the few good factions

With how often Vodun is often maligned in media

[granite shard]

yeah

[frank canopy]

Is there any information on Otis Blackwell or is he just John Showdown for now?

[zealous palm]

Heck, despite being referred to doctor, which usually often used for a bokor (a Voduist who dabbles with black magic and are willing to do things that are at least morally questionable) he still seems like he's trying to do the right thing.

[high stone]

I was thinking this might be the case, whatever is happening in the bayou is a bigger threat, even to the bad guys

(I usually think of Doctor John as a good guy though)

[real cedar]

Nothing yet, his bio isn't obtainable. Him, Caitlynn Hammond and Vinson Hayes seem to be The Showdown Trio

[zealous palm]

And the fact he very much seems like he's trying to channel Baron Samedi (the Vodun spirit that rules the dead) makes sense, since... well, the dead are walking, so who else would be the best to be the mount of during such times.

Sorry, I'm working on a minor on religious studies ^^;;

[real cedar]

There's one possible stain on Doctor John, in Lower DeSalle at the Sheriff's Office there's a big sign that says he's wanted for heinous unspeakable crimes.
That could just be prejudice though.

[high stone]

That skull he’s wearing is huge…it would be cool if it has some significance (like, if it’s the front part of Vincent Orsica’s head)

[zealous palm]

Honestly, I would buy 100% that it's prejudice, both on him being black and a non Christian.

Heck, fairly recently Louisiana has been trying to outlaw Vodun in round about ways.

Like, the whole animal sacrifice thing... not to get too much on a sensitive subject, but what's the difference if a chicken is killed and eaten by a group of religious people if it's for a Vodun ritual or a church bbq?

Animals killed on Vodun rituals are eaten by the congregation, just like a Christian church cook out.

It's just that is also being shared with the spirits x3

[real cedar]

Well usually a church will just grab a rotisserie from the grocer rather than start extra fresh.
It does make me wonder what regulations there are about butchering animals, if anyone can just do it and share the meat. I know you can't sell it without being regulated to be sure you're not just hocking bush meat and spreading diseases.

[zealous palm]

Well, let's say a church member has a farm and has chickens they intend on eating, and decide to use them for the church. Get what I'm saying.

[real cedar]

Ye

[zealous palm]

As the expression goes, nobody wants to know how the sausage is made xD

Also, fun little note, many Voduists consider themselves to be Catholic, which makes sense with how Vodun was born from a mix of Catholicism and local West African religions. Look at how Irish Catholics for the longest time still believed in the fairy folk, or how alot of Mexican Catholics have traditions that come from pre Columbian religions.

Sorry for yammering

[granite shard]

I would love to see a deep dive on the bone doctor honestly. I think there's a lot of opportunity to explore his depth and also why people were so quick to throw blame at him (since his lore mentions people being like "oh he might have caused this" when he seems to be wholly innocent)

[rotund ferry]

Any lore or update on the burnt marshal

[granite shard]

nothing since tide of corruption

[rotund ferry]

So he’s missing

[granite shard]

not really, just not relevant

most hunters don't get lore additions until they do something that's relevant to whatever story is being told. which means a lot of hunters rot in the no lore jail lol

[rotund ferry]

Also they bayou what happened to it

Are the drowned holding back the tide

[granite shard]

yeah, the sculptor has turned its focus towards colorado so the infection in lousiana has been weakened to the point where the drowned are able to keep a handle on it

[rotund ferry]

Wait what

So we stopped the tide for now

[high stone]

That’s what’s happening?

[rotund ferry]

So now the sculptor has new plans to start a new outbreak

[frank canopy]

who are the drowned again?

[real cedar]

Undead people who came back from the Land of the Dead, raised by the witch Lynch.

[rotund ferry]

Kid rat thirteenth mate

Kid and rat had it bad

[granite shard]

in the first few chapters it's mentioned that the sculptor has turned outside of louisana I believe. don't have the text in front of me but that was my reading of it

it was getting its ass beat and was tired of the swamp water

[rotund ferry]

Do we know what it is?

Like a person or thing

[granite shard]

some higher entity

[rotund ferry]

So not from the world

The guy that’s the butcher is he alive?

[granite shard]

apparently alive

he's not the butcher

he's inspired by the butcher, but yeah he seems to somehow be alive

[rotund ferry]

How like how

[high stone]

Haha how did we beat it’s ass, I don’t get it

This is like WWE Louisiana

[rotund ferry]

The tides of desolation can explain it

[granite shard]

ok less that we beat its ass, sorry that's me kinda joking w that

but for some reason it decided to gtfo louisiana

[high stone]

Haha no I understand

Yeah I didn’t know anything was working against it

Or effective against it

[granite shard]

and honestly it might also be that it wasn't really working against it, but that there was a greater opportunity in louisana

like it saw the greed in mammon's gulch and was like "I can work w this >:)"

I think unfortunately there's a very high chance that this will never get resolved

[high stone]

Yeah, the endless flavor fluff

[granite shard]

I don't want to be a doomer about stuff, but it seems like the creative aspect of hunt has been super deprioritized so I'm worried abt the future of what we get

I think it would be silly to give up battle pass lore since it's easy filler but ugh I'm worried

[real cedar]

Destroying the huge End of an Age Titan at the end of Desolation could've actually had an impact on the Sculptor. That event set up a lot of threads we're still waiting to pull on while also acting as an ending to Louisiana.

[granite shard]

oh wait no guys I have the answer

the real answer

the sculptor saw the demented pact rising up and was like "ew... I have stalkers now that's gross ):" and moved five states away to get rid of them

and that's why we're gonna keep getting new states-- it's moving around to try and shake the demented pact

[real cedar]

It keeps making new monsters to hopefully enforce the restraining order

[rotund ferry]

Also is there rogue hunters now?

[real cedar]

Rogue how?

[rotund ferry]

Like don’t like to the people who control the hunter lodge

And the inferno pact got wiped out right

[real cedar]

Yeah, in that sense there's a whole lot of rogue hunters, both in that they made new pacts outside the AHA, and there are some that just do their own thing without caring about others.

[real dove]

Petition to get Smalls on the writing team

[granite shard]

lmao

[real dove]

We will get the 500 page book about Lulu and Sofia we all deserve

[high stone]

“I want to be appreciated for my work, but I don’t want….fans…”

Moves to Denver, gets more fans than it ever had before

[granite shard]

a victim of its own success

[orchid tangle]

give us a map in the midwest so it's just a giant cornfield

time to try luck with obs

[granite shard]

godspeed 🙏

[tired spear]

just found another reused asset

the one behind it, though, i don't think i've ever seen

[orchid tangle]

uploading

[real dove]

@real cedar , what skins do you still need?

[orchid tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPLwsN4HI_M I'm interested what you guys think of specifically chapter 9 and 14. I personally think this was the weakest event lore but it was still interesting in the later chapters. The thing cropped stupid so I just want to point out on chapter 15 where the unknown person is talking theres no picture for them on the right outside the crop it's just a book

[granite shard]

God brewer’s voice is so good

[high stone]

Yeah i’m glad they’re doing the voices, even Harold Black is pretty good

So they’re feeding bounty tokens to undesirables and shoving them down an oil drilling shaft….?

[granite shard]

Looking at the researcher’s chapters, those feel like they were meant to be the book of monsters entries for the bigolator

At least chapter 9 was

Also looks like alpaca was right w her theory

[high stone]

What was the theory?

Also @upbeat kiln doesn’t happen to do Hiyali’s voice, does he? Or are they just remarkably similar? 🧐

[granite shard]

“And formed a <groans> birth canal” might be the best line delivery this event

[granite shard]

That the backers were using the bounty tokens to bring back the oil after the wells ran dry!

[high stone]

Right! Sorry I thought that was confirmed before, my bad

[granite shard]

No worries!!

[real dove]

ehehehehehehe

[granite shard]

I’m trying to find Hayali’s VA rn. He’s on Twitter I know and was confirmed back w his trailer

Here we go https://x.com/keremiswhelmed/status/1702392152893125017?s=46&t=XMaaRp7MOXKhIGp8_GwxkQ

Kerem Erdinc (@KeremIsWhelmed) on X

🎭ANNOUNCEMENT🎭

Grateful to say I’m the voice of the latest Legendary Hunter added to @HuntShowdown, the Shadow Puppeteer, Hayalî! Between being a huge Crytek fan, having the pleasure of working mighty, @GLedouxVoiceovr & voicing a Turkish character, my heart is full today.😌🙏🏼

Twitter · Sep 14, 2023, 6:41 PM

[high stone]

Oh okok

[real dove]

But also made the most sense imo

sad to hear that it sounds like hellboy's info is now event stuff

that raises... concerns

[high stone]

Yeah lol “some form”

Ahhhhh well

[granite shard]

I just hope we continue getting lore. The UI stuff has taken the majority of outrage but there’s a fair amount over the shafting of art & lore so there’s hope

[high stone]

What happened to art?

[orchid tangle]

stuff like the after match cards are tucked away

[high stone]

I informed someone in the “Latest Update” channel that lore is gone (for now?) and their response was “Disgusting.”

So, yeah

[real dove]

I think/hope once the UI is in a better place and the graphics stuff is fixed, we might see that become more of a focus

I love the lore of this game sm

[high stone]

That is SO weird

[orchid tangle]

as much as I hate the UI I give it points because the new lobby lighting and background specifically makes her look way prettier and cooler

[vague crescent]

I know the ui stuff is a little dead horse but I really don’t understand the taking away of the books or hiding cards etc

[granite shard]

Nobody does

Also having finished listening to my lore, I liked a lot of it but I think the issue w it is that it wasn’t super like

Exciting

[orchid tangle]

this update did a lot of weird things in general
card hiding
lore reduction
UI changes
other minor stuff like none of the skins in the BP are for the new equipment

[vague crescent]

I like to think most of the time it was a good idea executed poorly but I just do t understand any of it.

[orchid tangle]

I mean to me it felt like a lot of nothing happening... people walking around mammons having slight disagreements with each other

[granite shard]

Like on one hand I liked the way that the hunters were actually being sensible

[vague crescent]

Charms only go on one gun for some reason?

[real cedar]

Grotesque and The Shroud both feel like DLC characters too, it's certainly odd

[granite shard]

Like desolation’s wake was great but was also a stop fighting moment

https://tenor.com/view/stop-fighting-smiling-friends-no-fight-stop-it-stop-arguing-gif-8713281799291953889

(Sofia @ Hardin and felis)

[orchid tangle]

desolations was funny because union suit started the killing again by being stupid

[granite shard]

But this event felt like it was a lot of world building and a lot less of a story

[orchid tangle]

world building which will be useless if their drawing back on lore

[granite shard]

Yeah

Exactly

Like I liked it!! It was very technically sound, the characters were treated well, and beyond the butcher’s cleaver thing I think it didn’t raise a lot of weird questions

[orchid tangle]

I thought the token experiments were really interesting, that's the kinda macabre occult stuff I like, everything else was whatever

hayali was def the best VA (imo) but I don't get what his story added, he walks around with two characters we thought were dead for awhile and then unties researcher

[granite shard]

Yeah

He’s a fun guy to listen to

And I love the image of him like “oh fuck I gotta get away from these guys at some point they’re insane. But also I’m getting a good story out of this so I’ll stick w it for now”

He’s so silly

[vague crescent]

Personally I want more with the plague doctors, bile and brood are a hoot

[orchid tangle]

I wish we got anything at all on the BP hunters

[granite shard]

Same

I’m getting the list of voice actors from the person who casts them btw

Here’s the voice actors from the cinematic https://x.com/gledouxvoiceovr/status/1824173901267832929?s=46&t=XMaaRp7MOXKhIGp8_GwxkQ

George Ledoux (@GLedouxVoiceovr) on X

Here's the newest fantastic trailer for Hunt: Showdown 1896 I helped cast and direct featuring the voice acting of @Liisabelle , @UrbanLegendVO and @JFDonaldsonVO

Twitter · Aug 15, 2024, 7:58 PM

(Idk if anyone else is interested in knowing this stuff, I just love being able to see who did VA work lol)

[high stone]

Hmm, i dunno…the details of bounties and magic and oil rituals are still just head scratching comic book stuff, just elements jammed together to turn brimstone to oil??…it doesn’t seem like there’s anything that reveals anything important to the core story, no rules about how anything works… oh well, another one down

I’ll have to listen to the parts I skipped over

[high stone]

Cool! Who casts them?

[granite shard]

George Ledoux!

[high stone]

Gerp, I see

Haha

[granite shard]

I don’t think the bones of it are bad, I just want more detail

I think that’s always the problem, not enough space to expand on things so it tends to be very surface level

[orchid tangle]

it does feel like one of those things where it's like "how did you even figure this out"

are we just force feeding randos bounty tokens for fun to figure this out

[granite shard]

https://x.com/gledouxvoiceovr/status/1824562534076268654?s=46&t=XMaaRp7MOXKhIGp8_GwxkQ

George Ledoux (@GLedouxVoiceovr) on X

@Smalls2233 Researcher: Lucas Schuneman
Marshall Brewer: Linsay Rousseau
Hayali: Kerem Erdinc
Snare: Lindsey Vega
Unnamed Person/Dime Novel Narrator: Me

Twitter · Aug 16, 2024, 9:43 PM

[real cedar]

Basically, yeah. That's how a lot of science went back then, especially quack occult science

Also, one of my complaints is getting addressed!

We're gonna see John Victor's bio in the next UI update!

I hope they bring back looking at hunters you'll never able to unlock just to see their bios as well

[granite shard]

Thank god

[orchid tangle]

jesse has been fun to play I'm glad they gave them sleeve models I was scared they wouldn't

speaking of hunter models shroud has a really cool first person model

[granite shard]

👁️👁️

[tired spear]

new one?

[real cedar]

I think so, at least I've never seen that postcard-style text on it before.

What's the location?

[jade roost]

Thanks for dropping the news! Proud to join the Hunt family

[granite shard]

You did a great job!! I think I mentioned it earlier but the “groans, birthing canal” line might have been my favorite delivery out of the chapters this event

[real cedar]

I'm only on Chapter 5 as I'm transcribing but I've already got a crack theory.
I wonder if Harold Black is the one to bring the wax cylinders to the Phonogrammarchiv and transcribe them. The transcriber's notes sometimes reflect his own kinda poetic disposition, and the audio descriptions are so accurate to what is happening when much of the time you wouldn't be able to tell if he set down a rifle or a tripod or whatever else.

Or maybe it's just some other AHA guy with a line to Vienna and a thing for prose.

Or maybe it's like the seismograph, corruption when recorded starts to screw with shit in eldritch ways.

[keen scroll]

By the way the phonographs have a new music piece, did not have to time to listen to see if it had lyrics

[high stone]

Just got to the end, pretty vague stuff

Welp

It had potential

[high stone]

?

[high stone]

I’m gonna do an occult ritual to bring Magnus back!

[haughty wagon]

THIS IS IMPORTANT: IS HATFISH IN COLORADO?

[orchid tangle]

most likely but it'll take a bit to find probably since this map is so much fuller compared to the other ones

[pulsar grove]

Yes seen him on psychoghosts stream.

[orchid tangle]

nevermind

[haughty wagon]

Where at?

[pulsar grove]

Idk but if I remember right it was like 10-15 mins before he saw the average_joe moose fireplace

[lucid anvil]

LMAO, I’m definitely going to be looking for that

I have to say, the production quality of the chapters has been so good this event. I listened to the one with the burning oil field, think it’s the second wax cylinder transcript. The one that has the bracketed comments about falling trees etc.
anyway, that one was such a good listen. And read too!

[lucid anvil]

Bigolator is the official name now.

[molten forge]

I call him Bernie Mixtape

[lucid anvil]

There are a few. Drowning water is one for sure, some of the pianos have new music too
(And drowning water at least has lyrics. It’s how I recognised it)

[upbeat kiln]

Haha no unfortunately not. That would be cool though 😁

[real cedar]

Just got to reading chapter 9, more crack theories, this one is primarily about alchemical connections.
||Now that we know how the Hellborn was made, there's a point of comparison between it and the Immolator. Righteous anger at the peak of suffering ignites their fury and their bodies. Though with the Hellborn, there's more going on. The transformation is alchemical. The Boss says they hit brimstone, or sulfur, which in alchemical terms is connected with the soul, with fire, with expansion and dissolution, and in the Tria Prima it is the fluid that connects High and Low, the mental and physical. Sulfur is the key to transformation in alchemy, It was believed that any metal could change to another by adding or removing sulfur. Perhaps the same could be said of men, especially one encased in iron. Iron is connected with Mars, with masculine power, physical strength. A perfect container for the metamorphosis to occur in.
The tokens fuel the ritual and the brimstone catalyst connects Delacroix's mental fury with his physical being, the aspect of fire igniting both within the iron capsule. The clay-oil that resulted from the alchemical reaction could have been absorbed into him during this transformation, which would explain the Hellborn's endless reserves of lavatic gel. The name itself also speaks to the mixture of brimstone and suffering. As far as the ritual went, he was cast down for his sins and crawled back up a fiery demon.||

[real cedar]

Another theory now that I've finished reading. This one is about Grizzly Lodge and the unknown creature.
||The Researcher lays out that Preston and the Backers summoned the Corruption to Colorado. This is reinforced by a small caption about Grizzly Lodge in the Mooresville Intelligencer which says "Once Visited By The Wealthy And Powerful, Will It See Better Days Again?". The cult party that Hayali described with the sage and bisected bodies perhaps summoned or created something they couldn't control. It might be related to the talk of a new AI being added to the game. The hints we're given, mainly that it cuts or rips bodies in half, makes me think of a runner-type AI with long bladed arms, intended to sit in the same niche as Hellhound packs in that it can overwhelm you. What's weird is that all the bisected bodies are described in a kneeling position. That means either the creature cuts them quickly while kneeling, they somehow accept being ripped in half, or the creature sets the bodies that way after ripping them. Is it because of the sage tied to the waist?||

Also, interesting connection: The Dime Novelist Jasper Priest that writes Chapter 15 is the same novelist that wrote of the Immolator's origin. It seems that Priest-turned-Writer became a Hunter or at least stayed connected with them, rather than only writing of what he had heard in confession and then going off to live a better life.

[unique ibex]

Is there a lore reason for the sudden Egyptian theme or did they just want to make Egyptian skins?

[real cedar]

They just wanted to make Egyptian skins. Almost everything in the Battlepass has no relation to the story.

[unique ibex]

that's kind of sad, I thought the battle pass is supposed to be kind of a lore thing as well as a battle pass

[real cedar]

The story chapters are the main part this time, the skins don't connect to events in the story but a couple weapon charms connect to older hunters like Marshall Brewer, Redneck, Skinflint, and Night Acolyte

[unique ibex]

why'd they make interesting new charms and remove the ability to have them on multiple weapons??

[real cedar]

Nobody knows

[granite shard]

$$$

[real cedar]

Money is 1000% not the intention cause you can't buy 90% of the charms

And they're giving away BB charms in twitch drops as replacements

[granite shard]

If they still put them out mainly in paid formats (battle passes) and with the potential of them adding more as blood bond purchases (hopefully not in DLCs) only having one gun per charm still comes down to money

Idk it sucks. I don’t like charms enough to decide which gun I want which charm on. I just liked the red feathers a lot so I used that one on everything

[real cedar]

I guess that makes sense. I don't view events as costing anything cause I've never had to buy BBs but I suppose it is a paid thing

[warm quartz]

Brewer was marshall of mammon's gulch?

[crimson dock]

Where do worm bite, rat and revenant currently fall on an alignment chart, in your opinion? for anyone who knows the lore. i just play these skins a lot so wish to have an inkling

[granite shard]

Neutral good for worm bite & the (drowned) rat at this point. Revenant doesn’t really have much of anything to go off of tbh

[orchid tangle]

what I didn't understand about brewer was I thought she was against Hardin. She seems pretty chill with him in her letter to him but I thought she had an interrogation against him or something where he implied he was gonna take her partners gun to use against them

[crimson dock]

thank you!!!🙏

[empty basin]

I thought Hardin and Brewer saw different means to getting to the same end result so they went their separate ways, but weren't exactly enemies. That's just what I remember, I could be totally wrong

[warm quartz]

I guess now that's Hardin is spsonsored by the big boys he isn't on the wanted list

[real cedar]

Seems like Marshal Brewer is more about capital J Justice while Hardin is more about Law & Order. She was only against him cause of his questionable actions that he figured were for the greater good. Also, it was on special order from the governor that she was trying arrest him. I guess when the Lawful pact was formed and got funding she fell in line.

[granite shard]

Could be a matter of timeline too

Like if she had even been part of the hunt when she captured him initially

[warm quartz]

Didn't seem like she captured him

He went all John Wick on her ass

[real cedar]

I think she was part of the hunt at that point cause she describes the people he killed as 'questionable ones' or some word to mean "not turned yet".
Maybe she knew some but hadn't given up her badge yet

[warm quartz]

Well I think she already did

How do I read lore for hunters I already own?

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-that's-the-neat-part-you-don't-gif-14180388429135427516

Currently there's no way to read bios of
-Hunters you own
-Hunters you can unlock via Prestige & Bloodline
-Hunters you didn't unlock from past events
-Weapon skins you didn't unlock from events, twitch drops, prestige, etc.

They're going to address the prestige hunter bio according to the new UI video, but no word yet on owned hunters and past event hunters

[orchid tangle]

bruh

[warm quartz]

The worst thing about the new UI is that I have to listen to my friends whine 24/7 nonstop about it

Yes I know it's bad

[tired spear]

y'know what's funny? i made a few postcards like these like four years ago, they look kinda similar?

mine weren't that, tho

[high stone]

Interesting connections!

[high stone]

It’s looking like this was an oversight? Someone yesterday posted an image of the badge charm and it also says “Mammoth’s Gulch”…so maybe it came from the gift shop in the next town over

[high stone]

There was a Scarab charm a few months ago too, wasn’t there?

[unique ibex]

Probably, but the connection between going to canada and getting an egyptian theme wasn't quite clear to me since the last 2 Battle passes I've seen were both quite connected to the lore of the current event

[high stone]

I’m noticing a pretty consistent thing where it looks like a themed accessory set (skins for weapons, consumables, etc.) are spread out over several events and months…I think it first happened with Traitors moon and lonely Howl themes sets - it’s like they split them up on purpose, but without reason? Maybe some of the skins just aren’t ready on time.

Could have been some of that with Light The Shadow too..

[unique ibex]

The Shade skins and the trapper pack seem to have been switched aswell since the trappers would have fit the pass a lot better with the nitro and scottfield skin

[high stone]

Yeah! There’s one

[unique ibex]

I think it might be just a money thing

I mean would you rather buy 2 unique trapper themed skins in a bundle and the buy the battle pass because of idk the golden hammer or would you buy 2 fairly unimpressive outlaw skins and a battlepass with only cool, fitting skins?

But idk, maybe they just like sprinkling in a few hints on the event themes before the actual thing

[high stone]

I wonder if it’s supposed to be a weird marketing trick where you see the gun doesn’t belong to the person you bought, then you think really hard about buying that extra matching skin when it does come out

Or it’s just scheduling, who knows

[real cedar]

It seems the workflow for creating skins has changed where they put out more models using the same set of assets. Centipede and Statesman getting like 6 skins each, now the Trappers have like 5ish or so

[unique ibex]

wait centipede and statesman got that many fitting skins?

I thought it was 3/3

[real cedar]

Yea, for Centipede it was H crossbow, silenced cennie, mako claw, marathon, new army, and I think one more.

[unique ibex]

oh damn

guess I didn't pay attention to the skins much

I just hope the next battle pass has a bit more of an actual theme

I really like the drowned vs dry and wilderness vs civilization themes but to be fully honest survivalists vs egyptians just doesn't really resonate with me

[real cedar]

Trappers, Prospectors, Jungle Camo, and Egyptomania is a strange set of themes for sure

[unique ibex]

Well I guess not every event can resonate with everyone

maybe there's some lore reason in the battlepass letters

[granite shard]

There’s not lol

[unique ibex]

:(

[granite shard]

Yeah

[real cedar]

I liked the event story, it was a little more Book of Monsters/Book of Weapons and less about pact vs pact vs pact. Refreshing in a way to not be so limited by the format.
The new ways of presenting documentation with the wax cylinder transcript and theater script are cool too

[granite shard]

I liked the fact that people were willing to not get caught up in ego shit and work together

[vague crescent]

Hunters interacting is a great way to demonstrate their personalities

[high stone]

Someone in another channel just brought up that Harold Black isn’t a boosted “Event Hunter” for this event either. What the heck?

[orchid tangle]

Event hunters are always weird choices

I swear someone said Carter is boosted

[real cedar]

It seems DLCs were prioritized over story-related BB hunters.

[real cedar]

But then Hayali is also a DLC that didnt get a bonus 🤔

[empty basin]

Do we get Mountain Man lore in the bp?

[orchid tangle]

he shows up for a single sentence

[granite shard]

He and Marshall brewer are friends (or at least friendly) which is nice

Again after all the hunter vs hunter stuff in the past few events it was nice to see them working together lol

Snare & brewer both did what felis & Hardin weren’t able to do — put aside their ego and make a deal for the sake of the greater good lol

[empty basin]

If common ground and enemy can win out in a place destructed by greed, all the better!

The no MM lore is a little horse shit though...

[amber harbor]

Weird that MM got a voice only for a trailer

[tired spear]

love to see it in game, but why in colorado?

(blackthorn stockyard)

[real cedar]

I've seen a wall with a lot of the old Louisiana posters, it's definitely disappointing they didn't create some new assets to plaster around the map.
They're not against creating new fluff lore, the Mooresville Intelligencer image is proof enough of that. I guess it just wasn't part of the creation process this time.

Maybe we'll get some down the line, I believe some of the posters made for the Lawson map were added back to Stillwater way back when, hopefully the same happens to Mammon's Gulch

[real dove]

They do change maps over time, so could be that it just wasn't a priority... I hope

[lucid anvil]

Hey, so… does anything come of the bracketed comments in the lore entries (when a tree falls, does it feel itself falling forever)? I’m not very far in, but I’m curious.

[lucid anvil]

Hopefully. It was kinda a shame to put in the effort of trying to read the boards only to find it wasn’t actually relevant to the map :<

[real dove]

yeah

ngl been kinda sad about the lore on the map

possibly we just havent found it

[lucid anvil]

Maybe, but still… I suppose they just thought nobody would care enough to look?

[real dove]

i hope not

seen a lot of folks who have "why lore gone" in their issues, so it brings me hope

[lucid anvil]

Oh yeah, I’m one of those for sure. If hunt doesn’t have the lore, it looses a big big chunk of its identity

And, generally speaking, the world is genuinely interesting

[real dove]

Agreed, and it worries me. I love the lore aspect of this game so much and hope we do see it return

once they get the bugs/ui stuff sorted

[lucid anvil]

I got the impression the lore removal was just while they work on a replacement, and i hope im not wrong.

[real dove]

Me too

[lucid anvil]

It’s a shame they reused so much though. I imagine they were under a lot of pressure to get it out and done, but still.

[granite shard]

Tbh my reading was always there was a different sort of weapon progression system coming untied to lore stuff

I really hope they at least do an official archive on the site

[lucid anvil]

I don’t see much point in actually trying to read all the notes if so many have been re used :<

[granite shard]

Yeah :/

[lucid anvil]

I used flares, a lantern and everything lmao

[granite shard]

I get it’s a lot of work to make all of these assets but still

[real dove]

i keep meaning to look into that gasworks writing

[granite shard]

That’s part of what gives hunt so much life

[real dove]

that has to be something

[lucid anvil]

Where abouts? On the roof of the unfinished building?

About the strike?

[real dove]

i think so yeah

no

around that building theres a cipher

bunch or random letter/numbers

of

[lucid anvil]

Ah, that one! Like the number codec

[real dove]

yes

also

the train yard

[lucid anvil]

Me and a mate got the impression it was somehow related to the numbered beams around the inside

[real dove]

why isnt ther a thomas the tank joke

i was sad about that

[lucid anvil]

There’s definitely something there

[lucid anvil]

LMAO, imagine

[real dove]

same

[lucid anvil]

It would’ve been a great opportunity

[real dove]

i was fully expecting to see an engine with a face

my brothers were the thomas lovers but i rmember watching enough to have gotten hit by flashbacks when we walking into that compound

[lucid anvil]

Just paint one blue and put a dead grunt with a top hat

[real dove]

yeah

or hunt it

and have it have like, a stretched out human face

[lucid anvil]

LOL

[real dove]

[lucid anvil]

oof that would be… spooky

Very hunt though

[real dove]

yes

and not like ttte would be able to have an issue with it

[lucid anvil]

About that code though… I was thinking, and the first thing my mind went to was keyword cypher. I don’t think that’s it, but maybe that’s part of it?

It looked segmented, right?

[real dove]

yeah

maybe the other 2 big 2clue buildings have something

[lucid anvil]

There was an arrow too. Could be related to the… wait, hold on!

There’s that arrow with the E above it, right?

[real dove]

yeah

[lucid anvil]

Maybe that could have some relation to the numbers next to the code? Hm. Idk, just an idea

[real dove]

dunno

if thats e

is there abcd?

but not sure

[lucid anvil]

I wish we still had trials to go have a look lmao

Think people would leave you alone if you said you were trying to decode things? lol

[real dove]

nah

well, idk

maybe

i have voip turned off lol

[lucid anvil]

I’ll have to take another look when I’m home… there’s definitely something, but I’m not big on codes

[lucid anvil]

Fair tbh. lol

[real dove]

still waiting on someone to clip killing me lol

but i hope we get an exploration map

cause that sucker is HUGE

[lucid anvil]

I took a clip of a triple kill hammer streak at the lodge lol

[real dove]

in terms of exploration

[lucid anvil]

Oh yeah, it FEELS ginormous

The space is used so well

It’s super dense

I’ll have a look at cyphers that use numbers later… maybe some other compounds have clues, like you said

[frozen drift]

So marshall brewer knew Thomas bridge. Enough that they settled on an agreeement after she got into a firefight with the trapper duo.

[granite shard]

Makes sense, they’re both legendary hunters so I’m not surprised they met

[frozen drift]

Blood bond ones too.

[warm quartz]

I like that new voice overs don't have introductions

Don't paticularly like Researcher's voice, doesn't sound like science guy

[orchid tangle]

I like him
researcher has to be able to kill people and in the chapters he heard of a place cursed and with "constant screams" and he headed straight for it
I like him to just be firm and to the point, intelligent but still a hunter

[granite shard]

Yeah, and I thought his voice rly worked for him

[warm quartz]

I think we can all agree that puppet guy's chapters are great

[warm quartz]

||So we're just going to accept that Butcher expy is alive and well? And how did Beekeeper fail? ||

Also I find it weird that Felis and Hardin didn't make an appearance

Didn't they both go to Colorado?

[orchid tangle]

I think everyone thinks it's weird beekeeper and butcher show up

[granite shard]

Yeah

[orchid tangle]

especially because they do a whole lotta nothing

[real cedar]

Felis is mentioned in Grotesque's bio and Hardin is working nearby on running down leads

[granite shard]

Neither of them would have really worked here since both snare and brewer had to cede some ground, which Hardin and felis were unwilling to do

[warm quartz]

I don't think Trappers and Felis are on the same team

Since Felis' whole thing was going wolf girl against Hardin's order

[granite shard]

They’re not

The wilderness pact is not the same as the primal pact

[warm quartz]

Well, it's not the first time pact goes through a little rebranding

[orchid tangle]

I differentiate them by trapper girl saying they wont get aggressive on lawful because they don't need to be smart to crush them they can just unload their guns onto them whilst felis team has centipede who sees civilized law and deputies with guns and throws spears at them instantly

[warm quartz]

Masculine urge not to pay taxes

Feminine in Centipede's case

Also weird that new poncho guy isn't mentioned

We get two of him and he isn't even in the lore

[orchid tangle]

neither is shroud

[real cedar]

Shade got his backstory animated so it's okay if he's not relevant to the plot

Hell, he might've actually shown up in the event story, Marshall Brewer mentions watching a flaming guy fall down a mineshaft which is pretty specific

[vague crescent]

There’s a joke there

[real cedar]

Just caught a fun reference. On the 1865 Carbine's model, it has its usual patent and manufacturer stamp on the barrel shank. It says it was manufactured by Sheynin Rifle Company, which I think is a reference to one of the 3d artists, Alexander Sheynin, who probably made the rifle. I think some of the other artists have their own maker's mark that they put on various guns they made. I've noticed a diamond with a decorative S inside on quite a few guns and skins for instance.

[restive patrol]

yep! .45 Schofield Cases are marked .45 Medina in reference to Alex Medina, who has the full Schofield model posted on his artstation

[real cedar]

I had noticed that but didn't make the connection, good catch!

[warm quartz]

Did dennis really say he hates lore?

[real cedar]

Idk, did he?

[warm quartz]

My friend told me he literally posted this on his social media

Twitter or facebook

I have neither so I can't fact check

[night cliff]

I tried looking into it and I couldn't even find a profile on either platform that could belong to him.
so I'm pressing X to doubt on this one

[warm quartz]

Yes, he admited he lied

[uncut cedar]

Ahh, that makes so much more sense, originally I thought it was just a fancy way of calling it medium ammo but then I saw the medina marking on a long ammo round so I was confused

[rugged harbor]

Is there a way in the new UI to see my owned hunters lore? Going into the recruit menu doesn’t show it and the hunters don’t show up in the store

I wanted to read the lore of the new hunters I got with the update but I haven’t figured out how

[real cedar]

Sadly no, only unpurchased BB and DLC hunters currently have available bios.
It's the thing that pissed me off the most about the update

The Prestige hunters will be getting their bios when the prestige progression UI is added in, according to the recent video, but no word on being able to see owned hunters, bloodline hunters, and unowned event hunters yet.

[rugged harbor]

That sucks ass!

[uncut cedar]

It's weird that you can see it before

[rugged harbor]

I wanted to read about the hunters in that cool new trailer -w-

[uncut cedar]

New UI feels kinda half done

[rugged harbor]

Definitely

[granite shard]

Yeah ://

[uncut cedar]

Maybe you lore people will appreciate this more

Hellborn spawn logic

[rugged harbor]

I also don’t like that you can’t read the lore on legendary weapons you own in the store
The store is where I’d go to read some neat tiny bits of lore before loading into a match
To do that now you gotta go to gear and click weapons+skins individually :p

[uncut cedar]

There's 5 spawn locations for the hellborn currently in Colorado

And there is one thing they all share

They are all in some way related to fire and heat

[rugged harbor]

Arent all the locations
Miners Folley, Gasworks, in between the mountains, the Foundry and Preston Oil?

[uncut cedar]

Indeed

[rugged harbor]

Ey I got it :3

That’s a neat bit of lore I like that

But… why are the mines on fire?

[uncut cedar]

The mine entrance where he spawns is the lava room

With the cache

[rugged harbor]

It’s supposed to be a silver and gold mine though?

[uncut cedar]

Gold, at least oro Gordo is

Oro is gold in Spanish

It's not a lava mine

[rugged harbor]

Isn’t Plata Silver in Spanish?

[uncut cedar]

Because those don't exist

Yes

You're right

But regardless there is fire/lava/heat there

[real cedar]

The little gas effects in that area of the mine are pretty good, I keep flinching cause I think it's a choke bomb for a millisecond

[uncut cedar]

Miners folly is obvious because of the charred embers and burning buildings, foundry has the molten metal

Oil works has well, oil

Preston oil I should say

[rugged harbor]

Ohhhh I think I understand

The mines are probably on fire cause of natural gas?

[uncut cedar]

Then gasworks, which doesn't really have actual fire or anything but is still nonetheless fire related

[uncut cedar]

Looks more like molten rock to me personally

Just heat shimmer

Like on a summers day

[rugged harbor]

Yeah but the mountains not a volcano

[real cedar]

Preston Oil and Foundry are both part of the event story related to the Hellborn so there's an extra connection there.

[uncut cedar]

I haven't gotten round to listening to the lore yet

Every time I went to I got into a match lol

The hunt addiction is real

[rugged harbor]

Neither have I, I’ve unlocked chapter 4 but I’ve only listened to chapter 1

[uncut cedar]

Played all day pretty much, for the past 3 days

4 days

[rugged harbor]

Im really hoping the reason they removed the library is cause their writers need to make a shitload of edits to weapon names

[uncut cedar]

Doubt it

They probably just haven't had a chance to convert it all to the new UI yet

None of the weapons names have actually changed

Sure the Winfield 1873 now has different designations but at the core it's still the Winfield 1873

[rugged harbor]

The Ranger, the Frontier, the Infantry
All the shorties
The Haymaker
They cut off a shitload of maker names to weapons

[uncut cedar]

Only in the UI

Except the haymaker of course

I forgot about that

They're still Winfield's

[rugged harbor]

True

[uncut cedar]

Look at the weapon descriptions, they say "Winfield made" "Caldwell made"

And interestingly for the dolch

"Ludwig arms made"

I can't remember if that was in the old dolch lore

[rugged harbor]

I know but still they didn’t even need to cut off the maker names, with all the space the new tiles they took up

[uncut cedar]

Also the scottfield is "scottfield made" which is strange because the "Schofield" was made by Smith and Wesson

So is scottfield the universe standin of Schofield (civil war general) or smith and Wesson?

[rugged harbor]

It might say somewhere in the old library

[granite shard]

I really hate the removal of manufacturer names in a lot of the guns

Like… 1865 carbine sounds so bad

[rugged harbor]

Same :(

[granite shard]

Why isn’t it the Specter 1865

[uncut cedar]

Specter carbine is so much better

[rugged harbor]

I call it the Soecter carbine

[uncut cedar]

Specter shotgun, specter carbine

Not confusing I don't think

Or make up a name for it

[granite shard]

And like for some of the guns, sure people dropped the manufacturer part when they talked abt it

[uncut cedar]

A nickname like the winnies

[granite shard]

But I feel like the specter carbine would have fallen into the same area as the Springfield

Since the year part is so meh

[uncut cedar]

I suppose

It's hard to say as someone with 5k+ hours and also a gun nerd

What will be confusing to new players or not

[orchid tangle]

I didn't get the change
I don't think it was too big of a problem for a new player to do, I mean yeah it'll take getting used to but learning gun names is not the biggest challenge you're gonna be facing. After a few months of playing you'll know them by audio alone anyway

[granite shard]

Also it’s annoying to learn new names for veterans

Like I’m not calling the Winnie c a frontier

I’m calling it a Winnie c

[orchid tangle]

I'm just gonna call them by their irl name now to annoy friends if anything

[uncut cedar]

Infantry is the musket

[granite shard]

So now my muscle memory is fucked

[uncut cedar]

I just do that unintentionally

[granite shard]

In terms of searching for stuff

[uncut cedar]

Especially for the Bergman and the specter

[orchid tangle]

only one I do unintentionally is sharps

[uncut cedar]

And sharps

Sometimes I combine them

Shparpks

Bergheim

Borgman

[orchid tangle]

I'll def just be calling the 1865 the spencer

[uncut cedar]

Call the rifle the Spencer and the shotgun the specter

[real cedar]

Just checked, it's not in the old lore. The name might be coming from Mauser's original factory location in Ludwigsburg.

[uncut cedar]

Ha nice

I have a video of all the old monster and weapon lore

I know it's online but I like having it

And taking 1000 screenshots didn't feel appealing

[real cedar]

Yeah, who would do that

[uncut cedar]

Taking a video is basically just taking a bunch of screenshots

Lool

[lucid anvil]

Burning coal veins was what I got.

[lucid anvil]

I wouldn’t be surprised if you could find coal in the same places you find gold and silver, but I’m not a mine biologist

[uncut cedar]

Coal is a lot younger geologically than gold and silver

But It can be found basically anywhere

[empty basin]

Since anger/rage is part of the immolator back story, I wonder if some of the immolator in Mammon Gulch are the disgruntled worker's who were trying to go on strike

"Let's burn this MF down!!!"

[warm quartz]

So, we have a new hunter called Sacha Romanov

As in Alexandra Romanova

As in Empress of Russian Empire

Which was born just a year prior to the game's events

And a proud owner of a puke colored bandana

[real cedar]

Man I hope they actually say or imply she's from the house of Romanov, it'd be a cool connection.
She missed Nicholas II's coronation to go hunting in Colorado

[lucid anvil]

Which one is this again? I’m out of the loop lmao

[lucid anvil]

Wouldn’t surprise me 🤣
I think the ones who were on strike at the unfinished building are probably dead though, given the amount of bodies downstairs… lol

[hexed sandal]

ive got a lore question.

[warm quartz]

In #lore-discussion channel?! The gull of you

[real dove]

Go for it! Whatcha got for us

[hexed sandal]

so essentially as i understand it, the AHA is a lose org that just kind of points where to go for hunters but
there the different factions within that fight eachother, like hardins group fighting the witch drs groups

I was looking into dark sight, and the lore for inoculum continuity wise doesn't make sense for all of the factions, like the one led by the reverend. is there some extra lore on that that im missing or do they just flat out just not know its demon blood?

[warm quartz]

It is something vile, but probably not demon blood

And hunters are all bozos, so they don't care

Sinners, which is arab version of AHA, are certain they are going to hell when taking it

Reverend isn't exactly devout catholic, he's a leader of a cult

Basically, they know, but the money's worth it

[real cedar]

From what I've gathered, there are two inoculations, the first version that was used for potentially a very long time was a mix of common weeds, berries, and the poisonous datura plant, described in Romero 77 lore by Daniel Glanton. The second, upgraded inoculation made by Lynch in order to safely recruit women is concocted with demon/eldritch spirit/self-proclaimed deity blood. She says she's been selling it to "that idiot" Huff and the AHA so it could be that they don't know the truth about the serum. If they do know the truth, they definitely aren't sharing it with the lower ranks. Most examples in the lore of inoculations being used (Nagant Silencer lore, UpperMat lore, Mountie steam description) don't take the time to tell the inductees what exactly they're getting injected with.

So the early pre-pact factions such as Hardin, Bone Doctor, and the Reverend could have been inducted with the old ways, then were later handed the new serum for recruitment

[hexed sandal]

yeah that dosent exactly add up, at that point i dont see why they would still wear any of their own stuff or even keep the appearance

[hexed sandal]

yeah that would prob add up

didnt see the Romero 77 book, gotta take a look at that

[warm quartz]

I'm 100% sure inoculation works on both men and women, it's just that they make sure that women are infertile from then on

And I assume old guy sprinkled in a little of Lynch's bath water while Glanton was off getting daisies for the brew

There's nothing in the lore about Lynch inoculation being different or better

[real cedar]

Huff describes it as "the new serum" and "the latest serum" in the meathead lore, implying a difference from the last iteration

[hexed sandal]

the existence of two inoculations would make sense, i cant see any Christian of any denomination willingly being injected with the second itteration of it, that said, i dont know how the first iteration would give darksight

[real cedar]

The datura plant's toxins have traditionally been used to induce occult/religious visions, that's likely the active ingredient in giving people the power of sight, tempered with the rest of the herbalism and chemistry that goes into making the serum

[warm quartz]

That's because they added sterilisation? They clearly didn't do that before. I believe the core component has always been lynch's bath water and they just add stuff for flavour.

[real cedar]

It's a possibility but I'm not so sure about it, as the Louisiana AHA goes back decades and Lynch seems to be somewhat of a newcomer

The demon ritual stuff gets described as her own invention rather than a tradition of the AHA, so it's not like she learned it from them

[hexed sandal]

hardin seems to be doing something similar in the nagant silenced lore

[real cedar]

That scene describes one version of the recruitment ritual rather than the demon summoning ritual. The AHA is still very occult in their ways, but not quite into witchcraft like Lynch is.

[warm quartz]

Hardin was Lynch pupil at some point, so I he probably uses her bath water

[hexed sandal]

Whos lynch

the ritual lady?

[warm quartz]

Baddie bad something that pretends to be a hunter and wants to do something with Sculptor

[real cedar]

Caldwell Pax/Machete lore along with the whole Bad As They Seem story, she created the newest inoculation

[warm quartz]

She invented the inoculation and she's a witch that killed Witch Hunter's (aka Circe) sister

I believe is Lynch really is some eldritch horror, she's the one who made inoculation from the start

[real cedar]

If that is how it goes, hopefully they spell it out more that she's been with the AHA for like 80 years in various identities.

[hexed sandal]

"The AHA stands at a crossroads. A transformation began with the death of Mrs. Kinney, and our actions now will determine the path both the AHA, and Mankind, will be forced to follow. If only the couple had known to use the new serum in their initiation rite. As you know, women are welcome among our ranks today, as the latest serum - the very serum that allows us to walk among the infected and that gifts us with the Sight - also prevents conception. This information should not have been kept from you. It was both unethical and unwise. So much horror could have been avoided."

[hexed sandal]

"for the ritual blood in her veins took human form through the flesh of the foetus - killed 12 Hunters "

What is the ritual blood?

[real cedar]

In other places the inoculation is described as the ritual blood serum, it seems that once you've taken it, your blood is permanently altered by it.

[hexed sandal]

a bit odd though, that would have to mean one of two things

• either the original plant mix altered you in much the same way

• she had a earlier iteration of the second inoculation

[lucid anvil]

Man, I wish I could go back and read all that…

[hexed sandal]

https://hunt-stats.com/lore

[real cedar]

The ban on women in the AHA stood for decades after that fetus-demon killed 12 people, so I think it's the original plant mix. If it's always granted resistance to supernatural corruption and dark sight, then it's always been lingering on the edge of the supernatural and inviting things to go wrong.

[lucid anvil]

Huh. Neat. Thanks!

I’m hoping they add all the lore back in some form or another. Would be a huge loss if they didn’t

[real cedar]

I really really hope they don't screw with it all that much if it returns. I'm going to have go over and re-read every piece of lore to make sure the compendium doesn't have to get reworked.

[lucid anvil]

Alright, so… on a different note. The sculptor and the new map. It is the same entity, right?

[hexed sandal]

is there any specific lore on the Christian sects and their beliefs?

[hexed sandal]

ye

[lucid anvil]

All the knowledge we have of the sculptor Seems a little nebulous is all. I don’t think we actually know all that much, do we?

What’s the current state of things with the sculptor. The hunters are all fully aware of how big of a problem it is, Aren’t they? I’m sorry I know this might sound silly, but the lore regarding the sculptor specifically has been on the back burner since before I started playing lol

Trying to catch up with it

[real cedar]

Not particularly, Reverend Ishim Gird is the leader of that sect and he gets mentioned in only a few places with little detail: The Hunt website blogpost History of Healing Waters Church, Nagant Officer lore, Nitro Express Rifle + Shredder Ammo lore, the Altar Boy legendary skin, and the Sanguis Christi legendary skin.

[lucid anvil]

I’ll have to see if I can find some stuff to read up on… I’m very much curious to think about exactly what it is

[real cedar]

The Tide trilogy is one spot to really get into some of the deeper metaphysical lore, as it talks about the Land of the Dead and the Sculptor more actively, Tide of Desolation especially gives us some detail on an active action the Sculptor has been taking. Half of it goes over my head though.

[lucid anvil]

Oh yeah, I was around for those, and I found that whole events lore super interesting. Now you mention it, I do remember them setting something up with the sculptor… I’ll have to take another look. Hopefully they’ll pay it off at some point

[real dove]

I still think we'll see Lynch come back as a boss

Time will tell tho

[real cedar]

I'd much rather see her come back as a boss than as a legendary hunter

[real dove]

Agreed

At this point I'd be okay with chary being a hunter but not lynch

But if she did come back and we got her as a boss, would open up the twins as hunters

And possibly some kind of cold magic?

Iirc one of the weapons they supposedly brought back is ice related. But also, Hayden collins

[unkempt wraith]

Anyone else finds it weird that there is a huge town next to the hunting ground in Colorado? Which doesn't look abandoned but in quite good shape.

[real dove]

yeah, I'm hella curious about it

[neat juniper]

Lynch is too op to be a hunter

[lost sable]

wonder what happened to fin and jos mcgowan

kinda surprised i didntsee them pop up during serpents moon

[granite shard]

they're still out doing their thing. one of the mako entries shows that hail mary is in contact with jos

[lost sable]

really want them to become legendary hunter skins :L

last i recall...jos? i forget which, turned into some half snake thing

or at least got scales all over

[granite shard]

it was fin!

[real dove]

i would love to see them as hunters

lynch as compound boss/witch whos been corrupted by her attempts to become sculptor powered and the twins coming in as hunters to take care of her

i want it so badly

[unkempt wraith]

Would prefer it if they really stay "legendary" So no hunter models tbh

[lucid anvil]

There’s also blockades at certain roads heading that direction. Since others don’t have that and don’t have any remnants of barricades, I’m under the impression the map is set at the start of the corruption. Though that doesn’t line up with the state of some of the buildings… hmm…

[real dove]

Could be actually

[real cedar]

I like the description one guy had in the lore that the twins are like the eye of a hurricane, at the center of it all yet separate from it, seemingly disconnected. They really are the most legendary

[real dove]

didnt think of that

I wonder if in time, we will get a more city map

[lucid anvil]

Perhaps!

[real cedar]

If they stay in Colorado, the obvious narrative choice would be to head to that city and then have the Gulch be visible in the distance, that'd be super cool

[granite shard]

I'd love that

[lucid anvil]

I mean… what do y’all think? To me there’s a bit of a disconnect between the state of the buildings and the idea the infection is just starting, but… I think the new lore suggests something about the area being in decay before the infection right?

I haven’t listened to it all yet

[real cedar]

Though, a city does get in the way of the verticality goal a bit

[granite shard]

there's some dissonance between lore and the state of the maps

like people are still actively living in desalle in june/july 85 according to the scottfield lore w lulu & sofia stirring up trouble there in that timeframe

[lucid anvil]

Damnit, I’m going to have to just read through all the lore while I’m on holiday lmao

Scratch my hunt itch

Oh, side note, does anything come of those little comments in brackets in some of the story from this event?

[real cedar]

Yeah, the wells and mines were drying up in lore which can lead to some decay. Then there were the irl miner's strikes in the state, and the silver panic of 93 that had a sizeable impact on colorado.

[unkempt wraith]

For me Hunt was always about the forgotten places in the Bayou and stuff. Does would actually prefer a return to it with a new map. 🤔

[lucid anvil]

I thought so, yeah. So perhaps I’m right about it being set at the start? Out of curiosity, what was the silver panic? Might have to read up on it

Something about running out of silver, I assume?

Or more silver rush type stuff?

[real cedar]

Yeah, sudden collapse of the silver industry dropped silver prices, which rippled out in the economy, closing mines, closing businesses that supplied the mines, farmers that supplied the mining areas, etc. Millions were out of work.

[unkempt wraith]

Was implied that someone wanted to help with "sorcery" to rejuvenate the area iir

[lucid anvil]

Ahhh, gotcha. So that would cause people to leave the area in search of work and such. Maybe some rioting, though the state of the buildings doesn’t corroborate

[real cedar]

Do you mean the state of the buildings in the Gulch or the ones on the horizon?

[lucid anvil]

The gulch. The ones on the horizon definitely look well taken care of.

I mean it doesn’t look to me like anyone was going about burning buildings or smashing windows.

[real cedar]

The Hellborn attacking at least explains Miner's Folly burning, there's a small explanation for Grizzly Lodge in the event story, and the rest I have to assume took damage from the starting spread of corruption. The Shrewd Savior legendary skin talks about locals rallying against the infected. Seems they lost.

[lucid anvil]

Interesting. Which one is shrewd savior? Battle pass?

[real cedar]

Battle Pass krag with camoflague on it, ye

[lucid anvil]

Gotcha, thanks.