lore-discussion

[granite shard]

the two things found in kingsnake mine were

1. Mary Ochenkov from Chary experimenting on her
2. the Graven Path

[warm quartz]

Mooses are the undead deers

These things charge cars where I'm from

Not any cars, mind you, those going at full speed

They become startled by them and decide it's time cars pay their due

Naturally, meeting a car going at full speed never works out for them

[granite shard]

doesn't work out for the moose or the car

[warm quartz]

Thankfully nobody died to moose attacks yet

Except for mooses themselves

My neighboor in the countryside who is a hunter told me that's just how mooses are

[real dove]

Pretty much all deer in rut or with babies are dangerous

[warm quartz]

True, you don't go petting animals in the wild

[real dove]

but being 8ft tall and having antlers covered in sharp objects def helps

[warm quartz]

I know a guy who died of bloodloss after trying to pet a beaver

[granite shard]

but man I love going to yellowstone and finding a baby bison and using it for my selfies

[warm quartz]

Well, I didn't know that guy, but he lived in my city

[real dove]

go for a swim while there (DONT DO THIS)

[granite shard]

nothing bad ever happens from doing that

[real dove]

I've heard the water is warm

[granite shard]

like a nice bath!

[real dove]

dont mind your skin bubbling off

that's normal

[granite shard]

it's just exfoliation

[warm quartz]

That just means it's really relaxed

Anyhow, why is there is winfield musket

What does classify as musket?

[granite shard]

I think it's that the bayonet is a musket bayonet or something

[warm quartz]

Not really, no

Mosin has same kind of bayonet, does it make it a musket?

[granite shard]

sorry what I meant is that I think for the winnie the bayonet is specificially one from a musket

that's the only thing that makes sense to me there 😂

[orchid tangle]

cryteks not good at naming things

[warm quartz]

They're going to rename most of things after the update

[real cedar]

The weapon description for the Winnie musket in the book of weapons explains it, the name comes from the extended barrel and design changes such as the three metal bands over the extended wooden forestock making it more musket-like, intended to be nostalgic (but true historians know it was for increased firepower against Armored)
The real-life counterpart of that variant is the Winchester 1866 'musket' prototype which has the same metal band and wood forestock design along with a bayonet lug. It was one of three configurations for the Model 1866; carbine, rifle, and musket.

The finalized Model 1866 musket shortened the wood part of the forestock, leaving the metal bare.

I only did a quick search so it didn't quite explain why Winchester designed it like that, but it did mention they were courting military contracts so the musket design could indeed help as the 1860s was the transitional period between old ball 'muskets' and cartridge rifles. Making your repeater feel a little more like the Springfield muskets might gain some points for familiarity.

[granite shard]

shrimpteresting I didn't realize the actual body of the gun changed

I think I read once someone said that it was quite literally the bayonet of a musket and went "yeah sure that makes sense" 😂

[icy brook]

A firearm generally with a barrel length at least 34 inches in length

Everyone thinks it means a true muzzleloader but it generally describes early military rifles that needed as much barrel length as they could get

The term became antiquated as metallic cartridges and better loads allowed for barrel lengths to shorten

[warm quartz]

And now they release a moose themed weapon

🤔

Are they spying on us?

[real cedar]

Oh man the rifle really is cool, the forestock is actually made from moose antler. I thought it was raw wood at first but no

[granite shard]

the recent streamer weapons have all been fantastic

the breefield is so goated

[livid crypt]

Do we know what the "blades" the assassin fires at people actually are? Is it metal and real blades or something else? Sounds like metal but I don't know if these creatures/sculptor can produce metal, much less at the rate the assassin seems to produce them

[warm quartz]

Probably bone

[livid crypt]

That's what I'm thinking too

[real cedar]

Yeah, it's easier to see on the concept art and 3d model
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xz2LJY

[real dove]

i thought it's desbribed as bone somewhere in his lore too

[livid crypt]

Thank you! That certainly explains that

[warm quartz]

Imagine looking at this and thinking "Hey, tha's me friend Vincent! I'd recognize him anywhere!"

[livid crypt]

Hey now, no body shaming

The way I read that part is that the Assassin actually looked like a human at that point in time

And seeing how peoples behavior changes when exposed to the corruption, Vincent might be somewhat in control at that time

Or... More human

[real dove]

or Harold just knew it was his drinking buddy he knew like, super well

[granite shard]

https://x.com/HuntShowdown/status/1818686459055870453

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown) on X

Upon arriving in Colorado, intrepid Hunters went about gathering whatever knowledge they could.

From local rumor and hearsay to newspaper articles, it became clear the Corruption had spread. The time for prayer had passed. Steel, lead, and blood were the only options to stem

Twitter · Jul 31, 2024, 4:33 PM

[real cedar]

oh no

don't tell me there's actual lore in there

[granite shard]

time to zoom in and see

can they please give us a firm date instead of obscuring it

[rare dirge]

wait is the new map in colorado?

[granite shard]

yeah

they said it in the game informer video

[rare dirge]

oh

cool

also that newspaper talks about a light being seen

[real cedar]

Ah shit it's all lore

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[rare dirge]

i flag that as suspect

[granite shard]

I need like

a bigger version of the image w less compression lmao

[rare dirge]

and apperently some madman who was a hunter came up there and tried to off himself? then got arrested and got called crazy

unsure if you know of a conner braken

though i thought the whole zombie thing in new Orleans was well known globally?

why would people be calling him crazy for that?

[real cedar]

Nope, it was discredited as idle superstition by authorities and lethally covered up by the association. Only those already in the Hunting business knew about it globally

[rare dirge]

odd

must be harder to get new hunters that way

[real dove]

i dont think so

seems like hunters know hunters who know hunters

[rare dirge]

i thought it was publicly known and people volunteered to join the hunt (kinda like people do with the army now)

[real dove]

for legendaries. likely folks like finch (RIP) also recruited

all the old lore that may or may not be redacted has the gov and folks calling it stuff like poor person's disease and such

[real cedar]

The way they do it is grab immigrants and travelers and ask if they want to do dangerous business, few questions asked. Once they're in too deep the ritual and the injection gets pushed on them. They have such bad recruitment problems that Hardin has previously resorted to bringing on prisoners and children

[real dove]

as a big hush hush about it

[real cedar]

Another one was John Victor grabbing a murderer and saying "join us or I'll snitch to the authorities about what you did"

[rare dirge]

grabbed a canadian who saw some werid ass occult shit

[real cedar]

That one was crazy, he didn't even ask just injected him

[rare dirge]

poor guy

[granite shard]

"hi you're my new bestie let's go :)"

[rare dirge]

hey least i got a canadian to play in hunt now

[icy brook]

I do hope the new map gives us more information on the stakeholders and money movers of the AHA

[real cedar]

The record temperatures could place the event in August, as that was the time of the Eastern North America heat wave that killed 1,500 people. Colorado isn't included in that, it was in the New York area, but maybe they got some heat of their own.

[real dove]

I think it's going to be spring/summer there, and that the heat is gonna be due to the event seeming to be about scorched earth. to be seen tho

august is a LOT of time to skip

fun lil lore blerb today

[icy brook]

Railway turntable compound in the northeast portion of the new map

[livid crypt]

I don't think they'll add such things, but let us dream 😭

[real cedar]

One of the smaller blurbs says "Record Low Pelt Take In July" meaning the month is over and the tallies are in. 100% August.

[granite shard]

don't tell me we're skipping half the year

[real cedar]

So with that knowledge, the date of the newspaper is either August 6, 13, 20, or 27, more likely to be the first two

[icy brook]

Look in the top right corner of the map

[livid crypt]

Oh I see, like that

[granite shard]

I know it takes time for stuff to happen

but with tide of corruption dated nov 95

and tide of desolation happening immediately after

desolation's wake was likely somewhere between dec-feb and it ended with everyone packing up and moving

so it's just weird to me that we're skipping the entire winter and spring and headed to late summer

[real cedar]

Ah, another proof: the newspaper on the left's smudge is incomplete, you can see an A

[granite shard]

[real cedar]

It is kinda weird they're jumping so far ahead. Maybe our assumptions of when ToD and DW happened are too far back

[granite shard]

ToD follows pretty immediately after ToC tho

and it feels weird that stuff leading up to DW would stew for more than like two months

I get that this is why they don't like giving firm dates. but also they have an issue with shoving too much shit into the span of a single year and now we're entering 96 with over half the year gone

[real dove]

noooooooooo but you right

but like

could this be from last year?

from 1985?

[granite shard]

says 96

[real dove]

damm

crytek what

going from early 1896 to august

The Intelligencer

love that newspapare name

i could use some intelligencer

maybe we will see eventual snow then

if the event is set in august

[livid crypt]

Yeah, they gearing up for a snow event later this year

[real dove]

and assuming we are getting events in 3s again

AshBloom felt like a step towards snow, with lil flurries on the screen and then a "blizzard" mode so maybe

ngl I kinda dont want it

but to be seent

[real cedar]

It's definitely going to be weird going forward cause we're gonna be trapped in 1896 for a fair while, they put it on the title of the game and everything

[granite shard]

yeah like that's what's getting me

[real dove]

yeah.

that's a HUGE jump

[granite shard]

are we now going to be getting yearly hunt updates where they bring us to a new year?

that sounds fucking terrible

if they just had it start in jan or feb it would give them so much space

[real dove]

agreed

[granite shard]

it also would like... make sense with what was established?

[real cedar]

Perhaps they're extending the date of the Louisiana AHA entrance in order to be able to backfill the days with other entries from the perspective of Colorado guys, what led up to the state it's now in.

[granite shard]

my thought is less abt lore and more abt marketing:

the new map launches in august

so why not make the marketing take place in august

[real cedar]

Except it's not really in the marketing, it's a smudge on a zoomed in newspaper on twitter so far

[granite shard]

I mean that's marketing

lead up teaser stuff

[real cedar]

I suppose, but nobody but the few people like us are going to see it, and we're already bought in hook line and sinker

[real dove]

Here is my question. What the fuck was Felis/Hardin/Crew doing in these months

[granite shard]

sitting in statis

[real dove]

riding the train across the whole USA

sightseeing trainride

[real cedar]

Getting their shit together for a big campaign perhaps? Hardin said Felis was the advance scout so maybe it took time to mobilize.

[real dove]

went to mexico then NY then canada

dunno

that's such a huge leap in time

[granite shard]

I think that's kinda the thing-- the only people that really care about it is the people us. at least that's why higher ups likely think

idk I've just been getting the feeling that lore has become a lower and lower priority and so stuff like this is happening less so for the purpose of telling a story

[real cedar]

They're putting together whole newspapers for promos even if most won't read it so I don't think it's apathy

They could've chosen another postcard like Grizzly Lodge but they went to writing

[granite shard]

but like my point is that the timeline here is not being picked bc it makes sense with what's been established

[icy brook]

I guess my biggest question is did the last event mop things up in the Louisiana event, or at least resolve it to a point of dropping it?

[granite shard]

I'm sure there could be a million reasons why they're picking august, but it's also the same month the map is dropping

[granite shard]

the corruption there is in a state where the drowned can handle it seemingly alone and so everyone else picked up and headed west

[icy brook]

Ah, that explains it

[real cedar]

It seems like the general area around Mammon's Gulch is fictional, there is no Mooresville, Fitchburg, Gussman's Hollow in Colorado. We do get a sign of the general region with references to Denver and Colorado Springs placing it near the center of the state rather than in the west near Grand Junction.

[granite shard]

makes sense tbh

[real dove]

yeah. I think we're seeing them move away from real places out side of general placement as well as real people. Just as there is no Desalle and such

[granite shard]

all of the maps have been in fictional places I'm fairly certain right? or were stillwater and lawson references to real spots?

I'm not a louisiana geography buff lmao

[real dove]

fictional afaik

there were refs to real places

Davant ranch is named after a place named davant im sure

and such, but none of them were real

NOLA is obv. Port Sulfur is a real place

[granite shard]

also side bar-- was there a reference to chary earlier than the introduction of the dark tribute system?

talking w a friend abt it and I feel like that's when he was introduced but they thought he was introduced earlier than that

[real dove]

pretty sure. lemee look at my timeline cause i think i had it on there

[real cedar]

I believe the dark tribute itself was his introduction, though perhaps he was selling one of the Event booster shots?

[granite shard]

I could've sworn that's when he first came up

[real cedar]

A good way to find out would be to search google for Hunt Showdown Mr. Chary with the date set to before January 27th 2022, the day of the Dark Tribute update

[granite shard]

yeah good idea

[real dove]

He first was in Traitor's moon

[granite shard]

I'm also trying to remember what the version number for that was bc I think the dev update video would mention it

[real cedar]

1.7.2

[granite shard]

I believe that he was introduced as a figure with the dark tribute system before appearing in traitor's moon

you're the best thanks!

[real dove]

i dont have hard dates so nothin in my timeline

wurd

[granite shard]

"your favorite mr charry is back" okay yeah he must have been introduced with the shots

[real dove]

i coulda sworn finch had some kinda letter about him, but im likely just thinking of the letters from huff about finch

[granite shard]

OKAY winter solstice 2021 -

[granite shard]

ToC had chary and finch's whole thing with finch bringing chary into the hunt

[real dove]

Yi

[orchid tangle]

I used a lot of those chary contracts... and then only played soul survivor with them
I was a smart new player

[rare dirge]

i wasnt around back then

was that smart?

[granite shard]

it was not

[rare dirge]

i see

i think there was something similar with traiors moon

[granite shard]

it boosted your event point gain

yeah

it was a system that replaced the shots

iirc shots gave a 100% point boost per game and I think would be shared with your team

[rare dirge]

shots?

like

consumable?

[granite shard]

yeah you'd take consumables to boost your event points

I think you could stack like four of them

and get a 400% boost

[orchid tangle]

the battlepass would have them too and you couldn't choose to activate them iirc
so you were forced to continue playing to not waste

[granite shard]

YEAH the contracts sucked

they meant to replace the shots as a "well it's less of an immediate reward but you don't lost it if you die at spawn" sort of thing

[rare dirge]

after looking at the wiki its a shame to see these not be turned into skins

those could be some fine ammo box/weak shot skins

[granite shard]

ooh okay looking back on it-- the shots boosted by 25% but it would stack with your team and you could bring four of them so max 300% event boost

[rare dirge]

also lowkey i wouldnt mind these shots during current events especially if they only costed 10 bbs each

would be better to make them HD though since you do need to make room in consumables

[granite shard]

I think the challenge system works better than the previous stuff tbh

[rare dirge]

well duh but i mean ontop of that

[granite shard]

I just think that it's unnecessary now

like the shots were nice bc gaining points was miserable w old events 😂

[rare dirge]

least bring these amazing works of arts back in the form of ammo box skins

[granite shard]

god it would be nice

[rare dirge]

they are just ammo box reskins after all im sure it couldnt be that hard and im willing to fork over cash for those

[granite shard]

Thinking abt the august thing I’m hoping that it’s just like

Part of the promo stuff and the actual in game story isn’t dating things to august

[orchid tangle]

wdym
are they saying a lot of things happened in august in game?

[granite shard]

The post from today is implied to be from august 96

[rare dirge]

would be odd moving into 1896 all the way in august

thats more then half the year gone already!

[brazen root]

I wonder if Connor Bracken could convince the sheriff of the spooky shit happening in louisiana by having the sheriff shoot him in the head so he can stand back up again mostly healed after 10 seconds

Aka if necro and other traits work outside of the corruption

[real dove]

I'd think so. Wonder if he'll appear as a hunter

[orchid tangle]

such immersion

[unique ibex]

How much is do we know about the power of the drowned? I only know the bit where the rat heals in water and then appears next to glib and stabs him but is there any info on what they are capable of or is it just spooky magic?

[granite shard]

that stuff was more of smuggler pact pre-drowned stuff

but she has the strength to rip a man in two after coming back from the dead

[real cedar]

Much of the descriptions of what they're capable of came from the traits associated with their pact during the event. So the Rat had Mariner in the bit you're talking about. Most pacts got a trait description like that, with a few exceptions like Shadow Leap.
The Drowned are all undead and stronger because of it, but they're also connected to/potentially controlled by Lynch, the witch that raised them from the Land of the Dead. They lose control of themselves sometimes and just wreck shit.

[unique ibex]

Oh lynch is the witch?

I thought it was one of the rich guys behind the bounties

I should read more lore

[unique ibex]

so the quick and silent water movement is just gator legs?

thats funny

[real cedar]

Yup, her being a witch got confirmed in Tide of Desolation and then further confirmed to be the same witch that killed The Witch Hunter's family in Desolation's Wake

[unique ibex]

is there a lore youtuber for hunt?

[granite shard]

hazmatFTW is solid

[real cedar]

There's a couple, but I recommend HazmatFTW

[granite shard]

I don't think anything can beat just reading the lore yourself tho tbh

the event lore is a pretty quick read and it's all on the wiki

[unique ibex]

probably true, but I like listening to people talk about lore

[granite shard]

that's fair!

[unique ibex]

thanks tho, I will check hazmat out

[granite shard]

have you listened to the audio for the events btw?

I am in love with the voice acting they've done

[unique ibex]

not really, I only really started getting interested in the lore at the end of the last event

[granite shard]

starting with Tide of Shadows they started doing narrated chapters with professional voice actors

[unique ibex]

that's really cool

[granite shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdJofGeFOUI

[warm quartz]

Poor shumcks don't know they are ambushing named characters 😖

They should have waited until 15th so they become named characters too

[real cedar]

If past promo art is anything to go off of, the Event story may star all these newly named Tier 2s. Maybe we're actually getting the event from the perspective of the Colorado guys after all.
On the other hand, maybe this is just promo art for the new map/1896 rather than specifically the event. Guess we'll see soon.

And sure enough there's the new video to see

[granite shard]

I’m curious to see just how involved all of these new named characters will be based off of how like

Low effort the bio of that one girl we saw was

[real cedar]

oh SHIT

[granite shard]

I was gonna say I hope it doesn’t add more bloat for getting hunter stories in the book of weapons but 🙃

[real cedar]

What is THAT

[granite shard]

[real cedar]

I guess this might explain the recent poison ammo nerf, if the event is immolator focused.
It also ties in nicely to the Trappers backstory

[granite shard]

I still think the trappers’ backstory was just like a normal person being burnt but it’d be cool to be proven wrong w this thing being involved

Also the other new legendary looks sick, the one who killed the guy w the knife

[real cedar]

It definitely feels connected somehow since they're from the area too and the whole event is fiery

I think it's an immo but they did show regular guys getting burnt in some intentional way

[granite shard]

I guess my only real issue is the corruption is newer there but their backstory happened at least a decade or two ago

[real cedar]

Good shot of the new Hunter. The belt pistol is middle eastern in its style, I'll see what I can find about the necklace. First impression with the wrappings and spooky visage is maybe inspired by legends of djinn?

[granite shard]

wrappings give mummy vibes

also was literally abt to post basically abt the same screenshot 😂

[real cedar]

Oh that's a good point, starting in egypt might give better results on the necklace

Byzantine earring from Egypt, 600 AD

[tired spear]

Either Egyptian, or Aztec tbh

though the use of gemstones indicates otherwise

[granite shard]

I think w the mummy look they're prob from egypt or somewhere in the MENA area

[tiny plover]

Bro they Gave Vic the Burning Man treatment holy shit

What, was that a Uninterrupted 50ft drop onto stone, WHILE ON FIRE? Dude is built different. Guess thats why he's a recruiter lol

[real cedar]

That guy isn't John Victor, he's some new hunter

[tiny plover]

At first I thought this was the reskin for The Assassian hunter, cool cool. Like a blend between him and Viper.

[tiny plover]

Is he not? He's got the same face covering no?

All my Gary jokes go out the window Rai cant we just lie

[real cedar]

The poncho is totally different, the one image we have of John Victor has a cloak and bones hanging down

[tiny plover]

Ahhh

New vic or old vic?

Old vic being tutorial vic

[icy locust]

this is my problem solver

[real cedar]

New Vic, the one shot from the UI video

[tiny plover]

Mm. Also choke bolts are about to go SO HARD

[real cedar]

Might be the same as old vic, I haven't played tutorial in forever

[tiny plover]

Wait wtf am I saying. Its a fire event with updated fall damage. Of course he'd walk away from the fall

Lore/gameplay accurate trailer

[real cedar]

kiteskin 💪

[empty basin]

I remember in that PC gamer interview them talking about inferno again but didn't expect the event to be fire focused. Looks great, getting excited!

[real dove]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh yeah

new AI NEW AI

[tiny plover]

God I cant wait to Eagle Drop on people off a fucking mountain.. just to smash into a fine paste 5 ft from my target....

Gonna be awesome

[tiny plover]

You think its just gonna be a scarier immolator? Bigger explosion, probably more health/dmg output?

Bc

But also

[real cedar]

It looks like it's going to take the role of armoreds in some cases, just by its build. Going frame by frame it appears to shoot a fireball, likely using the exact same mechanics as the butcher's ranged attack

[tiny plover]

Dude he's so THICC i wouldnt be surpized if he has some kinda fragmentation mechanic..

[empty basin]

Immolator boss instead of the werewolf/hound boss we were speculating?

[tiny plover]

He's COVERED in thick 'stone'

[tiny plover]

Dude Immolators mid fight are bad enough, hives are rough. Can you image getting FUCKIN FIREBALLED

Oh my god Im so excited lol

Maybe people will actually kill Mobs instead of just letting their teammates deal with it

[tiny plover]

On an Oil Field no less. Curious to see how much that will play a roll

Gonna be a lot of temp fire blocking Id bet

[real cedar]

New AI
No Book of Monsters for new AI

[tiny plover]

"Fuck it, Ill write it myself"

Honestly, with the book on huntstats for ref now, that could honestly be fun lol.

Rewatching a few times. Weird that they focus on that mounted drill. Actually thoght it was a usable harpoon or something for a sec

Also Spyglass Used, Spyglass rework confirmed

[real cedar]

The one part of the lore I kinda skipped over cause of the shinier additions:
This poncho guy goes through a whole arc in the video, set on fire and betrayed by his mates, then returns all bandaged up for revenge on one of the guys who did it.
Real Joshua Graham vibes

[granite shard]

I'm sobbing

[tiny plover]

We cant expect God to do all the work....

[real cedar]

Ah wait it's not the same poncho, just extremely similar

That's odd

[deft storm]

hunchback small armed tanky Immolator feels very "Mobile Game RTS brained"

[tiny plover]

https://tenor.com/view/joshua-graham-fallout-fnv-picmix-gif-8986086559187785835

[tiny plover]

To be fair, Hunt's overall logic for nearly everything boils down to "Small, Med, large"

From guns, to Throwing Knife -> hatchet -> spear, shitter mobs vs elites

[deft storm]

oook, no reason to make it a Fortnite raging hunchback tank

feels like 2007

[tiny plover]

Imagine lol. And thats a lfd tank Sir.

ages 50 years

[real cedar]

We've only seen a single second of it, hard to make any real judgements on what it is or isn't

[tiny plover]

I hope he picks up smaller immolators and throws them at us :)

[warm quartz]

"Let's see what's the all the fuss is about"

[tiny plover]

Like donkey kong.

[warm quartz]

Next trailer begins with him getting kicked

[tiny plover]

You know what they say about curiosity... lol

[deft storm]

yeah imagine infinite options and you choose that

[empty basin]

Too bad the oil well's ran dry or maybe you could ignite them Gulf War style

[tiny plover]

Actually I just though of something. As the LO incident seems to be settling down for Hunters to be sent West for this new threat, what are the demographics in CO gonna be like? Mostly AHA hunters from the south? Local recruits?

I image more folks from asia if nothin else

[granite shard]

basically all of the hunters from LA packed up and started heading west at the end of desolation's wake, but we should also see new faces coming in, either locals or people from abroad

[tiny plover]

So wait, are you telling me they left ALL of the cleanup duty in LO

To like, 4 people.

[granite shard]

yeah they decided the drowned could handle it

also 3 people 😂 the captain's dead dead now

[tiny plover]

Bruh

[granite shard]

so drowned rat/kid/thirteenth mate

[real dove]

brings only drowned hunters on new map

[tiny plover]

And MAYBE some of the local witch covens/ voodoo comunities

[real dove]

i kinda wonder if it will be confirmed to be all, or of the drowned are just in charge

and others stuck around

[tiny plover]

I mean I gotta assume that after des. Wake, things simmered down. But ended completely?

[granite shard]

I think it's just that it's at a point where the drowned are able to keep things in check

[tiny plover]

Mmm

[granite shard]

my interpretation of this is that the sculptor isn't able to have a full force infection going in both LA and CO

[real dove]

good just give me the event lore already

[granite shard]

so it has the remnants running down in LA enough that a small force can keep things in check while CO starts getting out of control

[tiny plover]

Which, to be fair, since there are less people fucking SHOOTING EACH OTHER instead of, yknow, saving the world or whatever

[tiny plover]

Should need a smaller team

[granite shard]

yeah lmfao shit would probably have gone better if there was less infighting and people just worked together better

[tiny plover]

If only

[real dove]

sounded like the innoc makes people stupid bloodthirsty and that's part of the reason

[granite shard]

tbf I feel like it's more that the people coming to fight for this stuff are more likely to be bloodthirty 😂

like the innoc might heighten it but a good portion of them were already killers

[deft storm]

Did ya'll like the "darker questions that don't get answers" bit in the Scorched Earth trailer

[noble scarab]

Thanks crytek

[real cedar]

As far as local inspiration, Colorado was first explored and claimed by the Spanish, then much later actually settled by the Gold Rush which brought in plenty of Americans as well as Irish and English immigrants, especially miners from Cornwall.
On the native side, the main tribe of the area is the Ute, but there was also the Apache, Cheyenne, Shoshone, Pueblo, and Arapahoe.

[empty basin]

I wonder how they will tie in going back to LA after the month of Mammons Gulch... I mean if they put any lore behind going back to the old maps at all

[granite shard]

alpaca thinks that lynch could be what takes people back to LA

I think she's likely to pop up in CO but it's possible that she drives them back

imo it's also possible that in lore they stick in CO now that the corruption's popped up there big time

[real dove]

I kinda wonder if the other locations will become future maps now ngl. But yeah, I still think Lynch will bring us back

[granite shard]

the northeast could be a really cool map at some point

since we know there had been some chaos there

[real dove]

Yar

But I'm hype for the current map

[granite shard]

same

[real dove]

And to see how the old ones look once they've been loved on some and given a facelife

Lift

[tiny plover]

Gettysburg 1897

Back and worse than ever

[real cedar]

With the new video it got me thinking. We've yet to see anything about these two, the last of the hunters hinted at from the UI video. Are they perhaps acolytes of the Mummy Hunter?

[granite shard]

oooh that'd be sick

have that be a pact

[real cedar]

Some other demented pact members have little red chevrons on them in that video, could be we're not yet done with them.
It'd fit with the Mountie lore saying the Demented traveled north before other Hunters did.

[granite shard]

god I was so glad to be done with the demented pact aesthetic dude

I really hope we're not going back to demented hell

[real cedar]

If the new breed of the Demented aesthetic is the Mummy, I'll be okay with it. It's a nicer more subdued design that doesn't scream "I'm batshit crazy and eat people"

[granite shard]

yeah that would be nice

it's possible that the cowl is leading the demented in this event and she's a separate faction tho

I feel like he was mentioned in tide of desolation and then just immediately dropped

[real cedar]

I figured he died in the giant battle at the end and we'd be done with the pact

[granite shard]

I like the idea that he sent the pact in to die kinda as a sacrifice, and that he himself stayed back to reap the benefits of sending them all to die

[orchid tangle]

I thought they were supposed to be based off the bear armor people wanted

[real cedar]

Oh that's smart, it fits perfectly with his lore

[granite shard]

yeah I think it would be a neat direction to go with him

[empty basin]

The trailer opened with talk of greed and hunter's screwing each other over so sacrificing a whole pact to reap the rewards would fit along with that setting

[warm quartz]

Night of The Hunter cult is implied to be sacrificial lambs for Powell

[empty basin]

I just meant that seems fitting for the greed/back stabbing dialogue from the trailer. Seemed fitting.

[rare dirge]

well that coulda been the person he killed before he became a hunter

a demented pact person doing some odd ritual

no matter what i just want him to be inluded more in the lore

i dont think he was mentioned at all in the story last time

[pallid shale]

Hello, does anyone know how Lulu and Bad Hand are related ?

[real cedar]

I don't believe they are at all

[pallid shale]

And how are Hardin and Satesman related?

[real cedar]

Statesman recruited Hardin to work together to bring order to the bayou, since Hardin was already trying to do that. The colorado stuff got their attention now though

[pallid shale]

It's just that the description of the Lulu knife mentions John

Bad Hand's name is John, too

[granite shard]

John is a term for the client of a prostitute

[native marlin]

I thought John was just a name to mean "man" like Jane is a girl, is it inherently for prostitution?

[granite shard]

John Doe is a common name for an unidentified man, but Johns tend to generally refer to the client of a prostitute

[real cedar]

It probably came from the same idea, guys who don't want it known they're out with hookers just saying their name is John Smith or John Doe or whatever, and the slang grew from there

[granite shard]

More than likely yea

[native marlin]

interesting! i never really connected the dots

[quartz linden]

Dose anyone else think the new boss looks like a flaming armored

[granite shard]

I think more immo, but I can see the armored roots

the worst of both worlds— the resistance to blunt damage of an armored and the exploding if hit w anything but blunt damage of the immolator

[native marlin]

i dont know how itll play, but its cool looking at least, and makes sense why they nerfed poison now

[rare dirge]

funny because i use "john smith" as my name online on sites i really dont wanna give my real name too

[orchid tangle]

man I really hope that immo is out in that open dead field too

you just know the strat at launch is gonna be snipe it the moment a team tries to fight it

[native marlin]

another wild target nobody does bc snipers? would keep the track record

[orchid tangle]

at least rotjaw is in wooded areas most the time... this dude was literally teased through the vision of men at a sniping point lol

[neat juniper]

I want to brawl with that immo while dancing between sniper's shots

[visual finch]

That sounds romantic

[fast yacht]

is there a bigger piece of shit than hardin

[granite shard]

He’s pretty high up there lmao

[real dove]

Billy story if he is the one from Lulus story. Carter opted to hide and let other people die when he had enemies/debtors/etc come after him. Hardin likely murdered the prior sheriff and blamed it on someone else, so he's pretty up there. Granny has a med kit that is skinned with her dead son's skin. None of them are really great people once you go digging. But Hardin has definitely stepped up his game after taking over the lawpact

[visual finch]

Poor Granny, son was already dead

[real dove]

true. You;ve got DOD who killed her family to grow food for herself, serial killer Sofia, serial killer reaper, attempted patricide Lonely howl... etc.

list can go on for pretty much all of em lol. it's more like, who isn't kinda messed up in some way and that list is pretty short

[granite shard]

I don’t think the daughter of decay killed her family

Iirc they all died from starvation and she then grew food from their corpses

[real dove]

would explain why they werent yelling at her in the LOD during that scene

Yeah, reading her story you right

will put her in the "decent human" catagory

[granite shard]

Yeah I think her whole arc was that she felt immense guilt for what she did

[real dove]

kinda surprised rereading that that she isnt with death pact

[granite shard]

And I’m the land of the dead she managed to make peace w her family who didn’t hold it against her

[real dove]

since it sounds a lot like she doesnt like that the sculptor is using the bodies that dont belong to it

yar

[visual finch]

I like how by Hunt standard, growing food from your deceased family will put you in the "decent human" category

[real dove]

take what is given

sorry, fucked that up. Take what is offered, and sometimes that must be enough

gotta do what you must to suriviv

... survive

[granite shard]

The most incredible thing is that despite being a literal serial killer, through the events sofia has proven to be one of the most level headed, focused on the greater good characters in the cast

[real dove]

still can't put her in the "decent human" cat

[granite shard]

Nope

But like

[real dove]

but yeah, i appreciate that she's not just a gorefiend

[visual finch]

she's ALSO a gorefiend

bonus points

[real dove]

2 for 1

[granite shard]

If we’re just going on actions in the hunt she’s in the neutral good category where outside of the hunt she’s neutral evil lmao

Does that all come together to make her true neutral

[real dove]

nope

[visual finch]

No

[brazen root]

Yeah would be boring, we already have the reaper as the resident getter of murder boners

[real dove]

she came before him

he's moreso just a murdered

murderer

since he blacks out

[granite shard]

Peepaw has Alzheimer’s be nice

😂

[visual finch]

He's the dark urge

[real dove]

one of my staff calls it Old Timers

[granite shard]

His dynamic w the bone mason is my favorite

[real dove]

and now i cant unhear that

I love the while death pact interaction

they a bunch of murdery goobers

[visual finch]

I need to search the archive to look for more lore about my two favourite legendary hunters and see if they are decent person

namely Brewer and Monroe

[granite shard]

Brewer seems to be pretty good

She doesn’t have a lot of lore

[real dove]

monroe was committed, so regardless of him being crazy before he went in, was crazy after. his romero tells a sad tale

he's been in the demented pact too, right?

[visual finch]

i don't remember honestly

[real dove]

same.

i think he was cause i remember him showing up in an animation

honestly he sounds more like a ptsd surviving as best he can but not evil perse

since he tried to check out and it misfired

cant really blame him for trying to hunt down the folks who did that to him too

[visual finch]

Yep. But i don't remember why he was in prison\asylum

[granite shard]

He was demented yeah

[real dove]

dunno if we ever got a reason. he's "committed" so sounds like he was placed in there for mental issues

vs actual crimes

[granite shard]

He’s a victim of the prison system

[visual finch]

Monroe best boi

[real dove]

but could have simply been placed in there regardless

false commitment

[proud scaffold]

How did infection go from the bayou to mammons gulch

[granite shard]

It’s not been said yet. There’s a few potentials— a mosquito that landed on the drowned rat’s cheek went north, the backers have been taking bounties and are using them for something unspecified, people have been trying to summon the sculptor

We’ll probably find out when the event drops

[real dove]

Yar. IMO the likeliest is the backers are trying to use the bounties to "refill" the mines and oil desposits and instead corrupted the land. And since they;re bringing the sculptor's infection with them in the sense of the bounties, the "disease" spread up north

but that's just me

as smalls said, I'm sure we will find out in a few weeks

[icy brook]

Thoughts on the big immolator in the trailer?

[real dove]

big immo

lol

Really sad we wont see any lore on it

outside of the event

since no BOM

[real cedar]

I'm hoping the story behind its creation sheds some light on the mystery of the immolator. They're totally unlike any other monster in the roster, seemingly not created from the sculptor's corruption at all.

[high stone]

Maybe we’ll find out when the event drops

[bold ruin]

My entire loadout will now be choke bombs

That or some big dusters

[icy brook]

It looks like when it bursts it spews some hot liquid

Play us a song you’re the napalm man

[real cedar]

There's another frame that better shows it, it also throws fireballs from its hand like the butcher does.

[icy brook]

I’ll just hop over it, all I need is the T1 Luigi skin

[high stone]

You think it’s a roaming boss?

[icy brook]

I don’t think it will be, it looks about the same size as armoreds, but it could be possible

[high stone]

Just a bigger immolator with extra Butcher powers, huh…

[granite shard]

might have more going on when it launches, I'm curious to see the mechanics

curious and scared lmao

[high stone]

I think I know where all the oil went

These guys slurping it all up

The regulator immo is awesome so maybe this one will be just as good

[icy brook]

I’m guessing it will be tougher and maybe slower with a less powerful burst ability but greater melee damage

[granite shard]

Just one big straw

I’m hoping they don’t explode when shot if it is a wild target

Bc that would make it even more of a “only do this when the lobby’s dead” thing than rotjaw

[real cedar]

Maybe it has a fire burst 'frenzy' similar to Rotjaw's necrophagic energy burst

[granite shard]

Oh man I know someone said armored

What if

Start out like an armored and then midway through the health bar it ignites

[real cedar]

[granite shard]

That would be so sick

[empty basin]

Good idea

[loud steeple]

Well with the spear you would one shot it either way

[tiny plover]

Curious if it will have anything to do with the Man Made Corruption piece the trailers have hinted at. Immolators themselves are an anomaly among the monsters,
and doesnt Soul Survivor hint that becoming an immolator is just another kind of succumbing to corruption? Or am I not recalling that right.

Beeg Immolator from Beeg Evil

[rare dirge]

i thought immos were just angry souls that got corrupted

like if you were an angry person you became a immo when the corruption got you

something like that

[real dove]

The OG immo was a preacher who got beat tf up, and during it immolated/ burst into holy fire. Could also be that he was set on fire but the writers for that lore aren't collins

[real cedar]

Yeah, it was spontaneous combustion that created the immolator, and then the sculptor took that preacher's soul and kept recycling it. So we don't really know the underlying reason for the combustion in the first place. Getting another point of data could help connect the dots.

[brazen root]

Oh my god

The from the wilds dlc, their home burning down, it was this new fucker wasn't it

[real cedar]

It's possible, it's been my theory too that an immolator did it, but at the same time that happened seemingly decades ago so it wouldn't be connected with the corruption's appearance in Mammon's Gulch.
It is interesting that they told a story of a man on fire for their most recent DLC before an immolator-focused event, since they often have those DLCs have at least a cameo in the event story.

[brazen root]

The timing is pretty fitting, they seemingly used new map assets for that dlc marketing, the new hunters were in Colorado during the incident (right?), and they mention a burning man. It absolutely has to be about this new dude, right?

As for whether this new dude "is an immolator" or not, i have a feeling it's something distinct but related to immolators

Speculation though.

[real cedar]

They were somewhere in the rockies, and they were saved by Mountain Man who was originally from Colorado before heading south so it's a pretty easy guess to say they're in the state too

[real cedar]

https://x.com/HuntShowdown/status/1819765090565980346

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown) on X

Rumors whip and swirl around something new that fills the night sky with inhuman screams.

No story is the same, from burning homesteads to rotting crops, but one thing is for certain: some new wickedness is out there, scorching the very ground it stands on.

Twitter · Aug 3, 2024, 3:59 PM

OH COME ON

One man said that it manifested as a pillar of flame that moved across the landscape, burning all it touched. He was obviously quite drunk at the time he gave his testimony, but the fear in his eyes was real. Another man, a shift foreman and thus a more reputable witness than the others, would confirm only that he had seen a figure from a distance that was screaming with an almost-human fury into the night. This corresponds with no known legend of these mountains, and as such bears further investigation.```

Alright, the cursive wasn't that bad to transcribe

[granite shard]

[real cedar]

It's being described in a singular way so it definitely leans more Wild Target than new AI

[sonic adder]

I think Wild Target

[sinful warren]

I came to the right channel

was expecting someone to transcribe that haha

[brazen root]

On the topic of cursive and transcriptions...

Can you guys not read that text? 🧐

[brazen root]

And yeah this really makes it seem like some unique monster, probably wild target boss, that isn't really an immolator

Probably something related but new

[real cedar]

It's a dying art and it really varies in quality. I was spooked at first seeing it cause I had flashbacks to the in-game cursive letters in the barracks, those ones were real tough to read

[granite shard]

I can read cursive but it takes a lot more effort than print, esp when it’s a lower resolution image

[tiny plover]

AYY YO PAPER ANNOUNCEMENT DROP

[brazen root]

Ah yeah lmao

I was taught cursive early in school and see it often enough to keep myself "trained" but y'know i see how it could be disappearing knowledge lmao

[tiny plover]

I mean, arent meatheads outside of the later stuff like the Drilling entires described as pretty singular? A lot of the ealier entries are

But thats before said mob gets recycled a hundred times, so being that specific feels wishy washy

[amber harbor]

Maybe paper = some book of weapons stuff will be back?

[tiny plover]

It's why i was excited till I read rai's transcript lol

Sigh...

[real cedar]

I'm going on an assumption based on one moment in the Scorched Earth trailer, with several immolators running around. If it was a new AI, I would expect the tale to be about how there's multiple flaming men running about. Just the one adds on to the depiction of just one Armolater in the trailer.
That being said, it could be that this is part of the Book of Monsters style lore about "it" rather than event style lore about "them" and that would fit.

[tiny plover]

Rai its like 2 weeks before the event dont raise my hopes with Stylization

I beggith lol

[real cedar]

I am a machine that turns scant traces of lore into cracked theories, I can't be turned off 😂

[short patio]

A burning "armored" or a burning meathead 🤔 that can at least trow some flames at u

[tiny plover]

Strickly speaking, we DO have a burning meathead, though just the one lol

Burning armored seems..
Counterintuitive..?

[brazen root]

New enemy idea, burning conc armored that sends hive swarms after you

Even just a conc immolator would be torture lmao

[real cedar]

https://x.com/HuntShowdown/status/1820157770269622560

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown) on X

When the first prospectors arrived in Mammon's Gulch, they brought with them shovels, picks, and plenty of dynamite.

Eventually, moving mountains became a matter of using the right machine, and that was certainly the case for Machine Gorge.

Twitter · Aug 4, 2024, 6:00 PM

[high stone]

Hmm so just a Super Immolator wild guy? Can’t complain, the wild targets are still neat

[vague crescent]

I wonder if they’re wicking the oil up somehow

[high stone]

I doubt there will be a significant connection, maybe just that the SuperImmo leaves fire trail stuff like the butcher

I’m kind of wondering if there’s going to be like a lava effect on the ground? Like it’s rising from some fiery nether region

[green pollen]

I don’t think, but I bet you it’ll have a lot of charred stuff

[real cedar]

https://fixvx.com/HuntShowdown/status/1820490428807791050

[granite shard]

https://x.com/huntshowdown/status/1820490428807791050?s=46&t=XMaaRp7MOXKhIGp8_GwxkQ

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown) on X

Mammon’s Gulch had seen its share of wildfires throughout history, but recent outbursts had people talking.

They spoke of bright lights in the night, of strange scorch marks in the morning. It may have all been easily dismissed...if not for the inhuman roars that were heard

Twitter · Aug 5, 2024, 4:01 PM

Lmao same brain

[real cedar]

1 second faster 💪

[granite shard]

Now I know how that Jamaican runner who lost to Noah lyles feels

Anyway the roar at the end there is neat

[real cedar]

It's 100% a wild target, a regular AI wouldn't get this flavor of teaser

Straight up Jurassic Park stomps

[granite shard]

I’m so curious to see like

How it will work as a wild target

Like if it plays by immo rules

[real cedar]

Also, really cool effect on the oily water, it's a nice touch that I hope we get to see in various places on the map

[granite shard]

Yeah I noticed that!

[frigid sleet]

Not sure, but since they nerfed poison it could be a roaming boss, or this is just a new immolator enemy type and they haven't showed us the new boss yet

[granite shard]

tbh the poison nerf thing is something that like

I'm still trying to work out

does it share code w immolators? if so that's weird

idk if it's meant to be a consistency thing, but if it is I doubt chokes are gonna one shot this guy

[orchid tangle]

I think they're teasing this immo too much for it not to be the boss

[granite shard]

wild target or full boss are prob the big main potentials

a new boss boss would be the coolest since it's been a while

but honestly I'm surprised we're getting a target at all w the new map

[orchid tangle]

I hope it's a main boss if it's gonna be in that big open scorched area like the trailer suggests

that's a big risky fight if you haven't lobby wiped

[granite shard]

tbh I think that's my big concern-- if it's not a regular boss, what are the rules it plays by w immo stuff?

does it play by immo explody rules? I hope not bc that would make it worse to fight than miss princess

[real dove]

god pls no. but also let it not just a be a wild butcher

[orchid tangle]

can I one shot it with a choke bomb

[real dove]

it needs something to set it apart from immo

the lava idea is interesting

[orchid tangle]

someone suggested like rotjaw at half health it'll do it's explody stuff which I'm leaning towards, but still half a health bar by enraged immo rules? thats rough

[real dove]

i just wanna see what it lookes like

fully

more than a blurry frame or 2

and lore

[orchid tangle]

it'll probably have it's own trailer at some point soon

[real dove]

stares sadly at monstrum

maybe

did RJ have one?

cant remember

[orchid tangle]

ye

[real dove]

ah yeah then likely

[icy brook]

I’m hoping the bigolator is a new AI and we get something else and more creative as a wild target

[real dove]

thursday ?

[icy brook]

Never compromise young kings

[real dove]

lol im just hype for new AI ngl

well im hype for a lot

[orchid tangle]

I would prefer something else but I'm not complaining, big immo looks cool at least

[real dove]

but boss, wild target, or new aiai it's a new thing to hit

or not hit

if immo but lorge

[orchid tangle]

new content is new content I'm excited

I move into my uni 2 days after event starts so I bought a laptop that specifically was a bit over the new requirements for hunt

[warm quartz]

What great new graphic, in that reflection I clearly see my computer choking and dying

[high stone]

I’m with you on the “more creative” part, but I am leaning toward Wild Target for this Bigolator

Upperlator?

Fine, Haymaker boss

[granite shard]

god I understand that uppermat sounds silly but at least the upper- thing was an immediate gun type signal. I can't stand the move to haymaker from uppermat

[real cedar]

Meet the new team

So we've got these 7 new guys, at least three BB tier-2 seen in the UI video, wonder if there's any more

[granite shard]

wow for our prestige rewards we get.... some tier hunters....

[real dove]

dem 800bb tho

[noble scarab]

Immolator MK II: Upperlator

[real dove]

Deadeye Precision Riposte Upperlator

some of those names are so long they're silly

[noble scarab]

I bet every style of tiered hunter will get a named variant eventually

Maybe they consolidate some of the similar looking ones

[real cedar]

Oh right, also the two evolving Hunters that start at Rookie and will get other skins later, so 12 "new" tier Hunters, 3 new legendary hunters so far

[granite shard]

did the up the saturation on jesse's jacket?

[real cedar]

Looks like it, here's the old uniform Hunters

[granite shard]

best guess is that it's due to the the "are they confederates?" discussion lol

crytek bumping the saturation slider up: "no"

[real cedar]

I think it may also be the lighting between the two examples, all of the ones on the wiki are shadowed while the promo image is sunny, so the saturation change is especially noticable

[granite shard]

very true, I still think it's a pretty noticable saturation difference but lighting does a lot

still either way, I'm not super impressed w these guys being prestige rewards lol maybe they have something cool up their sleeves but it feels a little underwhelming

this guy's a fully new model tho, right?

[real cedar]

I think it's another of the many noob-friendly changes they're making. That way right off the bat new players have skins to call their own

[granite shard]

[real cedar]

Yeah, none of the old hunters have anything like that

[granite shard]

I guess I need to get my hands on the new system to see how it feels but yeah I'm feeling pretty meh on this one lol

we'll need to see what the bios for these guys look like too. hopefully they'll be more interesting than that one we saw in the UI video

[real cedar]

I'm guessing not tbh, just cause they have canon names doesn't mean they're legendary hunters now. They're still bozos

But it does open them up to having appearances in other lore such as the event, so we'll see if anything happens with them

[granite shard]

honestly I'm not super in love with that since my issue is we've already had way too many legendary hunters for the lore we get

so all it does is just give more overcrowding

[orchid tangle]

damn... I really only care for those first 2 lol

[real cedar]

Oh my god there's so many of them. Only Jesse and Laura are in this lineup. There's like 20 new Tier hunters coming 💀

[granite shard]

god it just feels like bloat

[real cedar]

I gotta give these nobodies their own section in the compendium, it will seriously bloat the already bloated list otherwise

[orchid tangle]

they are being made just to die in trailers

[real dove]

They have to do something with them. Im still interested in how this UI is gonna feel with all of them

[real cedar]

Huh, I never noticed John Victor has an eyepatch. Guess he must've got cut something fierce at some point after chasing the Twins, cause that story makes mention of him blinking one eye at a time.

[orchid tangle]

my moneys on they forgot

[granite shard]

he wears the eyepatch to look cool

[real cedar]

He does the pirate light sensitivity thing when going into dark houses

[granite shard]

he has pink eye and is really embarrassed over it

[real cedar]

Oh they say it right in the old Prestige video, 19 hunters are being stuffed into Bloodline & Prestige. So some are unlocked along the way to 100 for the first time, mainly the whiteshirts and Rookies, then the 8 Tier 2-3s and John Victor are in the prestige track.

[real cedar]

So the guy in the center of the new banner on Discord is Otis Blackwell, no name yet on his two partners.

[orchid tangle]

is the girl just the one who survived the encounter with the legendaries in the desolation event

[granite shard]

I think the same model base, but different clothing

[young violet]

Is there an in-universe explanation on what the game logo represents?

[real cedar]

I don't believe so. The AHA has their own logo and I don't think that symbol appears on any in-universe hunter or anything. It shows up on bloodbonds, which exist in the game, but I don't believe those get referenced in lore either.

[warm quartz]

Wow what cool new guns

Wonder why do they look familiar though

[vernal stag]

It's an H for Hunt

[chrome tree]

I heard that hunt was originally a duos game and it represented two hunters watching each others back, looking at them from above they’re aiming with their rifles. Also it makes an H for Hunt

[high stone]

It is true that it was duos originally, I think it’s definitely connected to what you’ve said

Lots of other ways to imagine what it means too

[noble scarab]

Bloodbonds show up on a poster that was in an event or post from crytek

Still doesn’t mean they’re necessarily canon tho

[high stone]

Neither are great, each for different reasons…Uppercut being a joke on the heavy loaded cartridge causing the gun to recoil up into your chin….”Uppermat” is just kind of a weird meta nickname, i would say? The whole two handed medium slot thing is odd too (just put a darn stock on it), along with the idea of an Xtra Large lemat being manufactured…I dunno.

[granite shard]

Yeah I think uppermat is a very meta nickname but like on a pure game level I like it since it establishes a general identity

One of the situations I want something for gameplay over lore 😂😂

[orchid tangle]

I thought it was silly but I live with it

but I still really prefer everything having a brand name over "ranger" and "infantry" and whatever

[granite shard]

I get that haymakers and uppercuts are both punches but for me it’s not an immediate connection like upper-x is

[granite shard]

I want the brand names back

[real cedar]

They got rid of the lore that Mako was made by a company in competition with Winfield. Now it's just "American-made"

[native marlin]

thats so weird, i thought that bit of lore was cool

[warm quartz]

I think it's because they're going to rename all the guns

[chrome tree]

Sorry found a photo that may support the hunt logo meaning.

++
In the name of two, bound by blood. Let us drink from the fountain of death. Here's to the hunter. Here's to the hunted.

From Huntshowdown.com

[native marlin]

possibly about how hunt used to be like, 2v2, the original design

[upbeat kiln]

This is outside of the lore: But it is the basis for the original concept of Hunt. It is both the concept of give and take, and it is also the duality of life and death. Everything has an opposite, and every action has either a price or consequence attached to it.

[rugged harbor]

It also appears on the derringer skin Silver Quarter

[warped finch]

Does the sound that occurs during Thundershower have any significance? And how would it be described? The one when rain goes from chill to downpour

[granite shard]

I believe it's related to the delphine

[warped finch]

It's like a bell or smth?

[livid crypt]

Some is the creaking sound of the ship, I don't know what the rest are

[devout mortar]

is prodigal daughter killed her mum?

[real dove]

nope! She seeks revenge for those involved in her mother's death

[devout mortar]

thx

I wonder if she were based on real life

such as Elizabeth Van Lew

[cinder pulsar]

uhm who is the last wolf that is in dire wolf's lil story?

[real cedar]

Lonely Howl

[cinder pulsar]

why is he hunting him?

[granite shard]

lonely howl tried to kill him

dire/luna wolf are his parents

[cinder pulsar]

why did he try to kill him?

[granite shard]

he wanted to be in charge

[cinder pulsar]

so he is trying to kill his father?

[granite shard]

he tried and failed and then ran off

and dire/luna chased after him to either bring him back into the fold or kill him

[cinder pulsar]

aha ok thx , i guess i aint leaving any lonely howl player i see if im playing the skin now

[kind thunder]

Wtf do beetles do in lore? They're completely docile, they enjoy being stroked which suggests that they're a social animal, they don't explode or attack at all when under duress such as when they're ripped out of their home by a random guy in a pair of muddy khakis toting around a cavalry sword and an automatic rifle, are they literally just big friendly bugs that the hunters have decided to weaponize?

[granite shard]

you should check out this article that goes into some detail abt the beetles https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-stalker-beetle-a-louisiana-foulbrood

[kind thunder]

Thanks, can I get the cliffnotes for now?

[brazen root]

I read this at the same time as this was posted

They're some crossbreed between bees and some unknown spooky beetle's larvae

[kind thunder]

Would that be assassin beetles then?

[brazen root]

Potentially? Its described as easily mistaken for a leaf, with black eyes, a horrible faces, and teeth covered in blood lmao. At least i assume its a beetle

The entomologist bred the first brood and started experiencing hivemind-like sensations of seeing through their eyes through the Sight, and this connection was stabilized to a single beetle by touching it first.

According to the book of weapons lore texts, the various beetles are being actively bred for hunter use

[kind thunder]

So now beetles are jjust docile, friendly little guys

[granite shard]

https://x.com/huntshowdown/status/1821229871168942197?s=46&t=XMaaRp7MOXKhIGp8_GwxkQ

Hunt: Showdown (@HuntShowdown) on X

As reports of flashing heat waves and smoldering ruins grew, so did the trepidation over what might have been causing them.

Brave souls ventured forth in search of answers. Some returned, scared witless and babbling about darkness. Others weren't discovered until days later,

Twitter · Aug 7, 2024, 5:00 PM

[real dove]

"once human" bottom left corner

[real cedar]

Damn I was about to go swimming when this popped up

[real dove]

I'll translate what i can lol

or I wont cause farm issues. here's what i have, sorry

[real cedar]

Second line on the left page is "But who?", I think. The W has its head cut off though.

[real dove]

yeah, i had the bu- -ho

makes sense with "once human"

[real cedar]

Context clues are gonna carry us through some of these cause handwriting ciphers is extra pain

[real dove]

anyway, gotta go figure out why water is not in a barn, gl

yeah i just had a list of "possible" letters

[real cedar]

What I have so far

That rightmost line is really odd

[real dove]

yeah...

(staff turned off water to fix drinking spout, didnt tell me)

Wish I was at home so I could get at this with photoshop instead of paint lol

Fl-s- for bottom of the lung on the side, def an S not an h there

[upbeat kiln]

This might honestly be one of the coolest lore pieces that have been released in a long time. It looks incredible.

[granite shard]

they're really killing it w the marketing for this thing

[real cedar]

Ah, then the word could be flesh

[granite shard]

the ps store apparently updated today with a look at the thing

[real dove]

yeah, i think the - after is an H too

[real cedar]

Another section I worked on, I think I'll have to wait for others to solve the whole thing cause man some of these letters are just incomprehensible

[real dove]

I can clean it up in a bit with photoshop, at work rn and cant really do much

not being able to rotate it on paint is driving me insane

[granite shard]

rotate plus twitter compression

[real dove]

fr

release the 4k version

pls

organ connected to m---------ll . idk. I cant read it without cleaning it up some

hats off to whomever wrote it

looks so good

[real cedar]

The map behind the journal is a real map published in 1850
https://www.loc.gov/item/2012593337/

[real dove]

oh that's cool

gimme an hour n some and I'll see if i can get you a cleaner version n can see what we can do. :|

[real cedar]

Playstation Store is showing the monster off fully

[real dove]

Mk headed home, will load it up when I have it cleaned best to my skill

[loud quartz]

u got a link?

[real cedar]

Just to reddit, I don't know how to navigate PS store to find what they found https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/1emfy6f/new_image_from_playstation_store/

[loud quartz]

ty ❤️

[real dove]

does this help?

soul converted to (veins?) flesh now ----

[real cedar]

Extra word between to and flesh, currently I'm thinking 'veins'

[real dove]

yeah just saaw that

letters look right

[sharp rose]

i agree

what about the letter after now?

[real dove]

w

[sharp rose]

before that

[real dove]

oh

i think its an i

[sharp rose]

Z or i for sure

[real dove]

has the big I dot imo

[real cedar]

A or I, W, R/H/V, A/I, are the next letters

Probably not V given the surrounding letters

[real dove]

soul converted to veins flesh now i w-

[sharp rose]

write?

[real dove]

looks like it ends in h/r/v

the fact thnat c/d mixes with is from below sucks

[sharp rose]

i have wra_d/wri_d/whi_d/wha_d so far

pretty sure thats a D

[real dove]

yeah, but it belongs to the other part

[sharp rose]

IC

i thought it was a bit low

[real dove]

or, i think it do

imo it's wrapper, wripper, whapper, or whipper

[sharp rose]

or wraith?

[real dove]

none make sense tho

i think thats a P

the freaking bottom text makes it hard to tell

[sharp rose]

fr

[real cedar]

Back under the lungs, I'm pretty sure the last two words on the top row is "for corruption". The first half of the word is certainly corr and it looks like it ends in ON so it's a pretty educated guess.

[real dove]

not i whimper would MAKE sense but no m

now*

soul converted to veins flesh now I whimper but NO M

tell me your secrets\

I'd sell my soul for a 4k image of this

[sharp rose]

fr

[real dove]

just to not have to pick through the pixerls

keep trying color combos to try to see if it makes it clearer

[sharp rose]

what res is yours at?

[real dove]

the image is 1920x1080

[sharp rose]

good

just making sure

[real dove]

yeah

if there is a bigger image out there, i want it

[sharp rose]

same

[real dove]

but that's pulled off the twitter

[sharp rose]

ye

[real dove]

insta is no better

even zoomed in

[sharp rose]

maybe better?

this one i used ai upscale to make it around 8k

[sharp rose]

^^^^^^^^^

[frigid needle]

Do we know whats on the left side?

[sharp rose]

.

[sharp rose]

bottom left says once human

[real dove]

once himan/but who

human

[granite shard]

Tbh the issue w the AI up scaling is that it might distort the letters and stuff

[frigid needle]

yes, but others might be easier to read

[deft storm]

Looks to me like another dark mystery that don't get answered

[frigid needle]

im not even getiing to "once human" im at "gotten Wuco Jet" xD

[deft storm]

@real cedar hey, I didn't come up with it

[real dove]

yeah, i feel good about the big text

[real dove]

#lore-discussion message

crap sorry for the ping but that's most of what we have

add on to the middle stuff about the soul

[frigid needle]

I cant read any of that, could be russian for me xD

[real cedar]

One of the oldest pins on this channel has the cryptogram we're using. It also can be found on the Hunt wiki on the Lore page

[frigid needle]

ohh, and im here using real texts from that time xD

So, this one

[real cedar]

"Soul converted to veins flesh now ???" is as far as we got on the margin.

It's the weird squiggle that hooks in on itself just before what seems like a space

[frigid needle]

"flesh now a ???"

[high stone]

It’s for the spooky vibes, I reckon’

[deft storm]

yeeee HAW

[frigid needle]

Thats as far as i got. Need to head to bed now.

[gilded umbra]

🤯

[native marlin]

i dont participate in the uncovering of the lore, but i always love seeing it, props to everyone in here for the hard work

[real dove]

solid work, here's my edition lol

[real cedar]

For the purple section, one guess I had as to the first word was 'spine'

[real dove]

could be? dunno. i dont wanna look at it more rn lol

somewhere an artist is laughing at us

[real cedar]

yeah that section is a real pain

[real dove]

need to befriend the art department and beg them fdor 8k images

[raw gust]

Speaking of voyinch, did anyone bother to translate the red text they added to the black wight machete skin?

[real cedar]

Someone on reddit did long ago, at least one section. I tried myself once and it was largely gibberish but a circular section apparently says "You shall see the eighth circle", a reference to Dante's Inferno

[raw gust]

I liked the old version better tbh. Now it's the red black white. But, it might be a teaser

[real cedar]

Wait it changed?

[raw gust]

Yeah but like they changed the skin at one point recently

It's got big red text on it now

[real cedar]

Ah fuck I'll go check it out then

[raw gust]

In addition to the old texture

It's only like 5 letters, it probably says "Lynch" or something

It's her machete after all

[real cedar]

Either Lynch or Death, as her knife says

[raw gust]

Maybe it's teasing her coming back to the story if so

[real cedar]

The letters were added a couple months ago, this is the old skin.
I went over them once back and yeah it's all gibberish

[deft storm]

too bad

[real cedar]

One real downside to no book of weapons/book of monsters is that the remaining avenues to present lore are so ephemeral. So many people are going to miss out on these social media posts when doing their own research down the line.
Hopefully it all gets collected and put into a blogpost on the website so it's kinda archived.

Makes me wonder how much I've missed in my own searches, if they've ever presented lore only through social media posts before

[dense lichen]

I didnt realise this game had deep lore

[real cedar]

Ha! I was right. Back in 2022 they posted this image of Stalker Beetle anatomy along with plenty of (thankfully well-written) voynich. People in this channel looked at it but nobody bothered to translate. Something to chew into tomorrow rather than bang heads against the rough handwriting.

[warm quartz]

omg they added my hairline to the lore?

[red zenith]

what language is you guys translating on that? wtf

yall speak demonic

[real dove]

voynich

the hunt version

[red zenith]

wadafak

[frigid needle]

we need a voice channel for decifering xD

[rare dirge]

thats this channel!

well kinda they really only use it for lore though

[granite shard]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/hunt-showdown-s-tradition-of-dropping-horrifying-little-freaks-into-the-wild-west-continues-with-the-hellborn-a-roaming-fire-demon-that-hurls-molten-lava-balls/

MOUNTAIN MAN VOICE ACTING LET'S GO

[real dove]

helllllllllllllllllllll yeah

or hell no, rather. take it back

[granite shard]

looks like he's leading the wilderness pact

the demented pact returns

wilderness/lawful/demented

would be cool if witch hunter leads the lawful

[real dove]

yeah it would

lowkey doubt it tho

Hardin too greedy

[granite shard]

yeah, but would be an interesting follow up

[real dove]

be cool to get a mix

hardin being greedy and her being like... but what if i fed him a bullet

[fast yacht]

its wyatt preston whoever that is

[granite shard]

?

[amber smelt]

Maybe one of the new hunters in the map teaser or event trailer?

[fast yacht]

it says that pact is led by someone named wyatt preston

[granite shard]

Where did you see that? I might have missed it in the article

[fast yacht]

hes described as the ''wealthy founder of industry in the gulch

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/unleashing-the-flames-introducing-hellborn-our-newest-wild-target

i saw his full name in some random games journalism article but this is more legit

[granite shard]

Oh wow it might actually be the researcher narrating

[real dove]

as in harold?

or as in RN?

[granite shard]

Harold

[real dove]

interestingggggggg

then looks like the backers could very well be the same folks who messed up the gulch

[real cedar]

Wyatt Preston is the oilman who founded the orphanage written about in the Mooresville Intelligencer

[real dove]

I wonder if he's the Big Money, and there are others around

[noble scarab]

Do we think they’ll be able to sweep this one under the rug too? Surely a big industrial area suddenly exploding with fire, death, and constant gunfire will attract more notice from the government or normal people

[real dove]

we had newspaper reporting on it

but i think the backers can prolly afford to keep the silence tbh

bribes/threats/killing etc

[real cedar]

The AHA does a good job of keeping it secret for the most part, and it's not so much a big industrial area as it is a backwaters mining operation.

[noble scarab]

Colorado isn’t exactly a frontier by 1896

[granite shard]

They can probably cover it up as like

Mining disaster

W all the fire they can prob be like “oh no a coal vein caught fire”

[real cedar]

Man the Researcher getting the spotlight in the event story really suggests we're going to be getting some prime lore. I'm excited

[granite shard]

when I saw demented I was thinking we might see the cowl narrating

but now I think it'll be someone new

maybe one of the cage heads?

[real cedar]

Probably the Mummy

[granite shard]

I hope they're not demented

[real dove]

id bet they are lol

[real dove]

I bet that's his notebook

From yesterday

[granite shard]

oooooh

that would make sense!

[real dove]

someone tell bro to write clearer

[real cedar]

It'd fit with the current lineup. Poncho/Mountain Man is wilderness, Mummy is Demented, Harold Black is Lawful

[real dove]

HAROLD PLS

Just... write not on top of yourself

pls

he did other pages like it i thought. or he has a notebook mentioned in the lore

icr rn

but still

bro

[real cedar]

I believe the Hunter XP envelopes were made by him, or maybe that was headcanon I conjured up

[real dove]

dunno about that

feel like those are akin to the spurs

[real cedar]

I think it was something about the papers you can see on them that made me think that

[real dove]

oh the hand?

maybe then

seems like a weird pasttime to have

harold black just scurrying around, stapling up the posters lol

envelopes, sorry

[noble scarab]

Hopefully we’ll hear from the primals and death pacts too

[real cedar]

It almost seems like the Primal pact got a rebrand. Mountain Man was sorta associated with them in a Desolation's Wake wallpaper but now he's potentially the face of this Wilderness pact that has the exact same motives as primal?

[granite shard]

I wonder if the distinction will be like

Primal seemed very animal forward

Idk how to describe it but primal originally was like we wanna be the top of the food chain, and wilderness might be less of that and more of almost environmental anti-industry

But yeah it’s a very similar description lol

[orchid tangle]

I think mountain man fits way more like this than primal

[real dove]

it's his home area too, so makes sense he'd take over

[empty basin]

I'm excited to hopefully find out some more about Mountain Man

[real cedar]

Holy shit having legible voynich makes all the difference.
I barely even need to consult the decoder I can just read it

[real dove]

Someone tell Harold to do better lol

[empty basin]

New beetle?

[real dove]

I think that was the journal of the person who first bred them, right?

Ah

Nah*

[empty basin]

Would be surprised since they have choke, bleed and fire already

[real cedar]

I think it's written by the unknown entomologist, yeah. The image was posted on twitter September 2022, a month before the Hunt website posted a blogpost about the stalker beetle from the entomologist's perspective

[real cedar]

I think I've solved it all but I had to take some liberties to do so, forcing words to fit context more than figuring it out letter by letter.

"Lungs a cathedral for corruption" is a damn good phrase

I also finally get the margin line. "Soul converted to veins (comma) flesh now a whimper" has some degree of grammar to it

It could be reins, though

[upbeat kiln]

Rai out here doing the Lord's work

[native marlin]

10/10 as always