lore-discussion

[true bramble]

Does anyone have a theory on what happened to Leander Coetzee? His story ends on a cliff hanger in the Vetterli entries.

[real cedar]

Fenella Cleve has his rifle at the end and seems to feel that 'what happened to him' is part of what's wrong with her world so he either got killed by someone - it can't be Victor cause he's describing the fight in an interview - or he retired from field work because of a really bad injury and could be mentoring other Hunters.

[true bramble]

Thank you that had been on my mind for awhile.

[real cedar]

The modern researcher thinks Fenella might've killed him, so perhaps he went rogue for some reason and she felt having to put him down was a tragedy. It's pretty opened ended when you only have two story points to work with

[true bramble]

He probably didn't get a happy ending since he seemed to go from conflict to conflict, and also this is hunt. I enjoyed his story though.

[south jolt]

I never realized there was so much story in Hunt. Wow

[real cedar]

Right? It's beyond a novel's worth of story at this point about various things, and some stuff is especially hard to find, like the loading tips about locations and the letters in the DeSalle map

[granite shard]

Opening up the doc and seeing >500 pages was shocking even for me

And you used a pretty small font too

It’s insane just how much story content there is

[glass mirage]

A novel...

Maybe a short one

[real cedar]

A long novel is considered to be 110k words, the compendium at the moment is 246k

Just the book of weapons alone is enough for a published novella at 60k words. The writers have really put the work in over the years.

[warm quartz]

If only there was as much continuity

So we could figure out wtf is happening

I swear, if someone goes "Zanzibart, forgive me..." I'm done

[gilded umbra]

We need hardcover lore books. 📚

[amber harbor]

Would you say the Sculptor is intelligent or more of a 'force of nature' type villain?

[upbeat kiln]

Definitely the latter

[lunar sky]

Imo I feel the sculptor is an entity that needs to corrupt land for it’s power to grow, so in my mind it just corrupts things so it’s influence keeps on growing and spreading the corruption like a plague. So I’d say force of nature

[amber harbor]

I started to create some articles on the wiki, if you could take a look and fact-check/correct them it would be great

[glass mirage]

Sculptor is just a guy who woke up feeling silly

[tiny plover]

Hey, new Gun Drop, Vombuz got their partner gun, Looks Sick. Not much lore stuffs in partner skins, but the advert for it ingame says it honors their "Night of the Hunter" partner. Is that a hunt thing thats slipping my mind, or a Vombuz thing?

WAIy

[granite shard]

they use the night of the hunter name for their partners out of game

[tiny plover]

I literally just read Night Hunters blurb

Wait really..?

The Doomsday Cult..?

[granite shard]

yeah

[tiny plover]

They couldnt have chosen.. idk, idependent AHA hunters? as opposed to quasi-religious weirdos who cover this bodies in skin/blood and generally dont know whats going on

On account of the fact that Isacc is

A Bozo

[granite shard]

night of the hunters sounds cool tho so it works

[tiny plover]

Guess so, Im a dork so I read into it a lil too much but.. in game context? Wack, Isaac literally already has a gun, the blurb for it doesnt make sense, unless you go "Oh its only ceremonial" or whatever

That being said... Out of anyone that fits the bill of "I dont care about money, Im here for the kill/thrill/Magic BS" it be streamers/Night of the Hunter accolades lol. Besides Primal I guess

[granite shard]

idk what the description in game is since I'm at work but I guess since I've seen them refer to partnered streamers as night of the hunter partners in the past, when I saw this screenshot nothing stuck out to me as confusing

[tiny plover]

"The Corruption and the Hunt have raged for many long months. Pacts, factions, and bands fored in the meantime, and one loyal group found no better way to anoint a leader than with this Sparks LRR Sniper, given to the Head of The Council."

Like its a sick lil blurb. I like the parner skins just having short lil self contained things, like Bree's gun.

[granite shard]

yeah

[warm quartz]

Are there a lot of snakes in louisiana swamps?

[real dove]

Irl yes

[real cedar]

A quick google search says there are 48 species of snakes in Louisiana

Oh, some other say 43, some 54

But a lot, either way

[real dove]

There's plenty there yeah

[green pollen]

Would be neat but also awful if you had to watch for cotton mouths while also making sure you don’t get mauled or shot in the bayou

[gilded umbra]

“We need hardcover lore books!” - The Researcher 📚

[violet obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/бан-gif-1220664386163639405

[fierce crane]

is the servers being down somehow lore related?

[compact dawn]

interesting

[obsidian ferry]

Meathead lit the MMR rating system and servers on fire

[fierce crane]

Can we get a new book entry for it

[tiny plover]

They're removing the book aug 15th so probably not 😦

[fierce crane]

hm, gonna be like my dad and just disappear then

[craggy folio]

no way dude

[warm quartz]

Can somebody translate?

[real cedar]

From google translate's image translation:

[warm quartz]

Awww, so he's actually a good guy

[frozen drift]

Who tf’s this?

[real cedar]

Vaquero was slated to be added in update 1.16.2 along with three skins connected to him but for whatever reason they didn't show up. Because of various bugs, some players have been getting the skins early, and I guess someone got to see this promo on the store page.

[frozen drift]

Hmm…

I wonder if they’re gonna add him in the august update

[real cedar]

Potentially, or maybe even sooner. One of the other skins that showed up early but couldn't be accessed was The Council Verdict that got released a couple days ago.

[frozen drift]

Right

[granite shard]

His lemat carbine is coming on the 17th so he’ll likely fully launch them

[real cedar]

Oh nice just saw the post showing it off close up. That's a real beauty of a skin, though I bet not everyone appreciates the skull beads 😅

[granite shard]

I feel like they’ve had some good variety in skin aesthetics lately which I appreciate

Last year was rough w all of the demented skins

Demented and drowned both having that kinda gross worn look

[real cedar]

I kinda like that they're putting out more skins than usual using the same assets, sorta taking the DLC style and expanding it. Previously you'd get like two skins at most with the same theme (Sullied & Sworn + Last Line, Fossil Tooth + Pupil Brine, Razor Spate + Veil Slasher) now Centipede and Statesman got 5 skins each and even BB hunters like the Corvids and Vaquero get 3 skins in the same style.

[granite shard]

Yeah it’s nice

[tall spade]

Who exactly was the Centipede and why was she important to the last event?

[granite shard]

she was a member of the demented pact who felis found and convinced to follow her instead. in desolation's wake she kidnapped the statesman for felis and was part of the standoff between the lawful and primal pacts

[rotund ferry]

I think the beads on these skins are done tastefully unlike previous ones we’ve seen, so I’m good with it.

[rotund ferry]

Any lore on the thirteenth mate

[granite shard]

not really

he's pretty much the least developed part of the drowned pact lol

[rotund ferry]

Ah ok

[rotund ferry]

I know the hunter that looked like that butcher had something very bad happened to him

[granite shard]

got eaten alive by beetles

[chrome tree]

Is the council actually part of the lore? I believe the statesman works for the highest branch of the AHA or something? Makes sense that vombuz’s skin has to do with the council and his go to hunter is the statesman it seems?

[granite shard]

I doubt that it will play any part in the lore aside from the skin blurb

the statesman works for a different group only known as the backers, we don't know their association to the AHA at the moment and that seems to be the main mystery being built up around them-- just who they are and why they're involving themselves now

[chrome tree]

Thank you!

[warm quartz]

What's up with that

Isn't crytek austrian

[tired torrent]

What does exactly is the bounty?

[acoustic whale]

likely a bone piece of the boss or some remains from what's left after the banishing

[real cedar]

One bit of lore describes it as a token able to be held in the hand and rolled across knuckles like a coin. Another says that it is the essence of the boss target, and can be used in occult experiments.

[tired torrent]

Maybe is both

[granite shard]

We might learn more soon since the backers are paying good money for the bounty tokens

[acoustic whale]

btw, was the AHA created after the sculptor event or were they established before?

[real cedar]

The Louisiana AHA is at the very least decades old, while the hunter's association as a whole goes back centuries.

[acoustic whale]

they hunt big game?

what was the purpose of the association i mean, before the louisiana event

[real cedar]

There are many other supernatural threats that are hunted. Witches in New York, Demons in China, Black Shucks in the UK, stuff like that. Some really old lore makes mention of poltergeists and other sculptors as if there are more than one, but I believe that part is outdated.

[acoustic whale]

that makes sense then, didn't know other supernatural threats existed before the sculptor event

[noble scarab]

Thunderbirds too, from the c&k entries

[real cedar]

Crack theory: William Durant IS the father of the Twins, Hayden Collins wasn't just making it up.
The fact that The Black Coat isn't dead doesn't contradict it at all. William Durant could be just one of many names that gets laundered from The Skinflint's book of identities described in Accounts Received: The Adventures of Timothy Stone. The father of the Twins had the name, then he died, then the Black Coat took the name.

[real dove]

Could def be. Really we have a few ways to explain that kinda stuff- I'd like to see more lore on how hunters die and resurrect/appear as clones in the swamps, I think it could be cool to have a real lore reason for it and not just, oh, video game

[real cedar]

I doubt there's any way to loreify clones without it sucking all the energy out of the story and making it feel like a comicbook

[real dove]

Eh, they kinda hinted at it some with the DOD/rat stuff in tod

[real cedar]

The statues? They're just symbols in a story, no?

[real dove]

Nah, didn't she say we're leaving chunks of ourselves for the sculptor or something like that? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong

[real cedar]

Oh right, I re-read that recently and figured out the connection. It goes back to Tide of Shadows with Cardinal Rain going up to an altar and sacrificing the secrets of her honor in order to gain the Shadow trait. The Hunters were sacrificing pieces of their inner identity for power and those pieces were either being formed into the statue stories in the Land of the Dead or possibly were feeding the giant monster that was going to be birthed from the mound.

[real cedar]

I'm surprised the Ornate Vengeance pack isn't related to Vaquero, I had just assumed they were all going to tell his story cause of the 1.16.2 promo image of him wielding Intricate Demise.

[crimson dock]

what is the prodigal son’s lore?

[real cedar]

Richard Burton is a former US Army soldier that either faked his death or was lost during a cavalry charge in South Dakota. The army's letter of death to his mother sparked a chain reaction that would ultimately lead to her death, and Sarah Burton, the Prodigal Daughter, blamed Richard along with four others, carving their names onto bullets that would take their lives some day.
Meanwhile, Richard donned a mask and did dirty mercenary work, potentially even traveling all the way to Russia. When he finally returned, he tracked down Sarah and saved her life from a Hunter about to kill her. Despite her planned vengeance, Richard decided to continue helping her in the Hunt as a means make amends for a life of misdeeds, and potentially face her bullet when it comes.

[dawn dirge]

Would it make sense for the assassin to roam the map in disguise as a 'mysterious man' rather than be confined to a lair?

[granite shard]

If they keep him as a main bounty then no, if they moved him to a wild target then they could probably make that work since it would go along w his lore

[tropic mirage]

what if scrapbeak is actually called freakybeak and instead of slowing you down with barbed wire, he chains you up with it

[real cedar]

It would be extremely painful

[rare dirge]

well... everybody likes different things

[spiral mica]

like a Cenobite from Hellraiser?

[chrome tree]

Found some information about the “council”

Desolations wake chapter 7

The Statesman pumped the lever and waited, watching our prey scrabble in the dirt. It was then he told me about the benefactors. He said they were a council of rich folks playing poker with Bounty Tokens, dabbling in the occult. Well, not just the occult--our occult.

[granite shard]

The council referenced in the council’s verdict skin is a reference to vombuz’s community

The benefactors =/= the council

[eternal hazel]

does the Prodigal Daughter and Son have a connection?

[granite shard]

yes they're twins

[eternal hazel]

Because of the title of their names or they have some info of them

[granite shard]

the DLC pages for the hunters tend to have lore blurbs in them

[brazen root]

1896 confirmed

[granite shard]

Iirc that was confirmed a while back

[real cedar]

It wasn't solidly confirmed by saying the year, just innuendo from one line in Desolation's Wake

[granite shard]

david fifield had said that the engine update would push the year to 96 in an interview

I wanna say something with homereel last year

[real cedar]

Oh it's also a title change, huh

[granite shard]

yeah

feels like they're trying to avoid calling it hunt 2 lmao

[real cedar]

The ESRB re-rating with the new title has some interesting descriptions:
"One type of zombie explodes into blood and viscera when killed; another type is depicted wearing human skin as a cape."

The first could just be dependent on what was used by the guy rating it, but the second doesn't sound like any grunt we know of

[granite shard]

I wonder if that’s stuff that’s actually coming or if it’s the ESRB seeing things differently lol

Yeah only thing I could think of is like

Maybe the hive?

But that’s more of broken back instead of human skin cape

[loud steeple]

It’s it’s officially going to be 1896 when the August update comes out then the avto is going to officially be 20 years of bullshit

[real cedar]

In researching 1896 US and Colorado history, I came across an interesting tidbit that might be related to the recent twitch drops weapon charm.
The "Slaves of the Silver Serpent" were a fraternity that put on the annual Festival of Mountain and Plain in Denver Colorado from 1895 to 1899, sort of Colorado's Mardi Gras.
One newspaper article from October 1896 says the fraternity built a great serpent for the festival's parade: "The chief feature of the pageant was of course the silver serpent, which was a marvel of frightful beauty. It was 350 feet in length, with a head ten feet in height, and covered with gleaming scales. At intervals it snapped its jaws and belched forth red flames, and altogether it was a creation calculated to give the beholders the shivers"

[south jolt]

Regarding 1896, I was also trying to find weapons from that year, but instead I think I found the Bornheim:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann_1896

[tulip skiff]

Is there any page to refer to in various weapon encyclopedia entries like the Winfield M1873, "See also, ONE IN A THOUSAND", or are these see also things just fake little things

[real cedar]

It's a fake reference because the book of weapons is meant to be formatted in an encyclopedic way by an AHA researcher in the modern day, the same way all the story entries have an introductory line describing whether it's a letter, journal entry, transcribed interview, etc.
That being said, the One in a Thousand reference does get explained in the Winfield's entry as a marketing ploy by taking the few rifles that were said to be more accurate and selling them at a higher price for being higher quality. This also happened irl with the real Winchester rifles, those with tightest groupings on in-house target shooting tests became part of the one in a thousand line. The legendary skin Augusta has One in a Thousand stamped on the rifle, meaning it's one of those few.

[tulip skiff]

I was wondering why they were saying shit like "we didn't hire them for this encyclopedia, dw" like as if that mattered with zombies and shit going on

[real cedar]

It's not exactly clear what year the modern researcher is from, but one piece of old lore suggests it's some time past 1977 as a newspaper article makes reference to graffiti and punk rock, and has 1977 written on the side.

[tulip skiff]

I love the fact they keep weapon lore relatively similar to real life stuff

[real cedar]

Yeah, it's pretty fun to research it all and realize most of it comes from one real story or another. The Mosin-Nagant trials, the LeMat smuggling, the World's Fair Centennial

[tulip skiff]

oh my god I just realized that one in a thousand rifle you're talking about, that skin, it's for the dirty old 1873C that I was just dogging on

literally worthless gun

i would rather use an empty 1873

the only reason why i'd even fuck with it is bc I love winchesters irl 🐒

[high stone]

Im just excited for the milk

[high stone]

Ngl i’ll be disappointed if they add generic formula enemy exploding zombies like L4D or….every other game since 1995

[high stone]

The only thing I can think of is maybe The Assassin, if you mistook his coat for a cape

[green pollen]

I gotta imagine this one is gonna be really gross since there weren’t too many overly obese people in the 1890s, so it’s probably gonna have a bunch of blisters and pus sacks and whatever else

[real cedar]

I'm imagining big membrane sacs similar to honey pot ants

[warm quartz]

Who was USA president during the events of the game?

[real cedar]

Grover Cleveland, and then in November 1896 William McKinley is elected, starts serving in March 1897.

[green pollen]

What if we get William McKinley as a new legendary

That’d go nutty

[green pollen]

Also yeah same

[wicked osprey]

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Time travel?

[real cedar]

Not time travel, just that all the papers we're reading in the book of monsters and weapons are documents that were preserved for decades and collected by a historian who is trying to piece together what exactly happened in the Louisiana Event.

[wicked osprey]

oh what the heck

thats actually really creative

Thank you

[warm quartz]

What's the difference between sheriffs and marshals again

Whenever I watch westerns, there is always a sheriff in town

But apparently that's a marshal's job

Sheriff is some kind of main law man in the region?

And doesn't that make Hardin a police chief instead?

New Orleans is a big city

[real cedar]

If I'm getting the distinction right; Police work for the city, Sheriffs work for the county (Parish in the case of Louisiana), and Marshals work for the federal government. Back in the 19th century plenty of places didn't have either local police or sheriffs, so it was the job of the marshals to travel out to these remote places and act as the law.
Hardin I believe is Sheriff of Jefferson Parish, which New Orleans is a part of.

Ah I got it a little wrong, Jefferson only had the outskirts of NOLA, the city itself is in Orleans Parish. So Hardin saying he's Sheriff of New Orleans would mean Orleans Parish.

[warm quartz]

So what jurisdiction does marshal Brewer hold in New Orleans?

[real dove]

She gave up her badge, no?

[warm quartz]

It's isn't exactly place without local police

[real dove]

maybe I recall her lore wrong

lemme look

[warm quartz]

Not as of yet, I think

Her lore reads like obituary

[granite shard]

She gave up her badge to get into the AHA is my understanding

[real dove]

yeah, her lore blog is about renouncing her work

Phoebe Brewer, the first Louisianan woman to become a US Marshall, faced a terrible choice when she became a Hunter: to renounce a lifetime’s work. But, there was only one way into the AHA's inner circle, and only one way to fight the evil lurking there. It lost her an eye, her sobriety, and her public image, but her unknown legacy of fighting evil at its strongest was a price worth paying.

(thanks Rai!)

[real cedar]

I think she still has her badge since she gets sent after Hardin on order of the Governor in his Q&A

[warm quartz]

I still think she renounced her life work by being double agent

Not for Marshals as a whole, but for herself

[granite shard]

I think it’s possible the q&a is from before she joined the AHA

[real cedar]

Could be, I have a habit of viewing hunters as being added chronologically which gets screwed with sometimes

[real dove]

I have a hard time thinking that "giving up a lifetime of work" is anything other than giving up her badge

wasnt there a collins story about her?

may not be a bad idea to add him as a important figure

as a suggestion

[granite shard]

I don't believe she's been in the book of weapons yet

[real cedar]

Yeah I've been thinking about whether to do that. He doesn't get mentioned much outside of being the source of stories, just one loading screen blurb and the compact specter. With that and the four stories he's penned I suppose that's enough links to compile

[real dove]

didnt we get a collins story where lynch stabs a marshal in the eye?

or did i like... invent that

No like, pressure. Just be easier to find stuff he wrote :)

[granite shard]

there's a recent BoW entry but the name isn't close to brewer's

[real cedar]

Lynch points a gun at a marshal's eye, presumably carves the eyes out for summoning cause that's what it required in the previous ritual described, and then she gets devoured alive by a spirit-god-demon

[warm quartz]

She's the first woman to become marshal, I think she gave up fighting crime and her reputation so she can fight monsters

[real dove]

ah. I thought the name was pretty close. trying to find it

[granite shard]

unnamed, likely not brewer as there was a host of female marshals

[real dove]

ah yeah

dunno why i thought we got a name

[sweet mist]

Why can meatheads see you when you're not poisoned and follow you for 5 miles? And how do those crippled hives get on all the roofs?

[granite shard]

they track leeches as well

[upbeat kiln]

It's pure coincidence. They're just good at predicting your behaviour. The lore clearly states that the meatheads are completely blind. So it's just by pure luck and chance that they happen to guess exactly where you are - again - and again - and again - and again lol

[sweet mist]

They should play roulette at this point

[chrome tree]

Don’t they have leeches in their body too, so if you get close enough they can sense/ hear you no?

[granite shard]

yes

there's some communication with the leeches. they track harder with poisoned people but will still track based on leech screeches

[warm quartz]

Lorewise, hives have clouds of insects flying around them and meatheads actively hunt hunters

[real dove]

Sculptor dangles them like sims and plops them down on the roofs

all the wasps fly upwards inside the body and lift it

[jolly hawk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/1e9jet1/the_lore_books_of_hunt_showdown_are_now_fully/

[amber harbor]

You can check out the pinned comments, Rai's doc does something similar, but idk about OCR misspells in that one

The recreation is spotless though, it's exactly like in-game

[jolly hawk]

Will do, and thanks 🙏

[tiny plover]

Saw the Call to Arms from Huntlab. Glad to see more evidence people care. Maybe crytek will catch on lol

Rai's text is gospel (you can ctrl+f it so might as well be) but having the OG texts is great

[mint wind]

Heyo, do you think it'd be possible to have it in different languages ? Sounds tough ig, but perhaps doable ?

[tiny plover]

All it takes is the other folks who need it in their language to do the same. Do the books have translations when you switch Language? I'd assume but idk

Though that would be a cool undertaking to those interested

[tiny plover]

*looks at lore junkies and media hoarders

[tiny plover]

Rai no one ever made a translation vers. of your docs yeah? Nothing to easily grab for the nonenglish speakers?

[mint wind]

I have almost all the entries in my version, except for the last Rotjaw page...

[tiny plover]

If you need a language bum, ie someone to just switch languages and take screenshot, assuming you wanna take that on all, let me know. I'll throw some hours In If ya need it

Oof. Get grinding then Boi lol

[tiny plover]

Good luck on those boss rolls. I've been trying to do the Stillwater surveyor achievement for days now, either to only get DeSalle or it not counting

That and trying to complete BoW before they're removed. God the Dolch Deadeye fucking stinks....

[mint wind]

Heh, I got some luck.

I have all weapons unlocked at least.

[tiny plover]

Lucky lucky. Stuck using mostly scopes and like... Springfield compacts for the next few weeks

That and Base weps. Dude, why is it that variants are so much easier to grind for. Mako appature/claw? Finished the week they came out. Stock Mako Carbine? Like 2 weeks of work and I'm still not done. Bouncing around the book but STILL

Let ALONE the fact that the mako is one of the few decent guns I have left lol

[jolly hawk]

Yes, if you screenshot it, I'll do it. DM if you're going to tho for screenshotting instructions.

[amber harbor]

The Trials are already transcribed in here

In English that is

[real cedar]

Not that I know of

[real cedar]

This is huge! Having the stories preserved is one thing, but actually preserving the experience of the book format is an amazing feat. If you post a direct link, it oughta get pinned in here.
I had some misspelling issues of my own early on cause I copied from the Hunt wiki for Bad as They Seem, I think whoever made that wrote down the entries by hand. Switching to imagetotext.info for all my screenshots after that worked really well, it didn't seem to make any mistakes in reading the text, just my own in forgetting to grab the whole story in the image. A few lines were missing here and there that I had to add in, and it didn't care about italics, bold, and paragraph spacing so those were manually formatted.

[jolly hawk]

https://hunt-stats.com/library

[real cedar]

Mods pin pls 🙏 📌

[jolly hawk]

Me and @amber harbor and @worldly sonnet are discussing methods of making use of your collections in your doc to present them in a more user friendly and visually appealing way, eg. making an an event lore specific place

If you or anyone else here is intersting in helping, please let us know

[real cedar]

The event lore can be grabbed in screenshots from youtube videos that captured each of the events, at least the ones with audio, that's how I grabbed mine. I don't know if people did the early moon trilogy, I took those from the wiki. Perhaps reddit posts have screenshots of those.

[real dove]

I know Smalls and I both have vids of the tides lore. I think there are also screenshots here of the moons. Likely pretty far back.

hopefully someone notices how far we are going to keep the lore active and they release something saying how they're going to do lore after the 15th

[tiny plover]

Ikr? Book of weps being lost is sad. Not knowing if it means the crippiling / death of an entire part of the game, small though it may be, is miserable. Hunt is 85% aestetic, to take away world building, both past AND the presedent being set for the future...

Sorry I like my games to have world building a few degrees more complex than fucking Fortnight

[granite shard]

it just speaks to a lack of care of the art of a game and how execs just see them as money making tools

[tiny plover]

But I will give them more money... if they support the product I enjoy in the way I enjoy it...

[rugged harbor]

What’s the name of the new map that the hunter says in the teaser? Lineman’s Gulch?

[tiny plover]

[granite shard]

mammon's

[rugged harbor]

Mammons gulch oooh ok

I’m so excited

[granite shard]

same!!!!

[tiny plover]

Even just that train station in front of a lake looks 👌👌

[rugged harbor]

Mhm! And it looks like they’re adding actual passenger cars to the environment

[tiny plover]

Bold claim, hope you arent disappointed lol

[rugged harbor]

They still look German based and have buffers though but that’s enough of my train tism

[icy brook]

Mormon’s Gulch?

Headed to Provo boys

[tiny plover]

Is this where you go on a leele historical survey through US train models from the late 19 centry to see how it stacks up? Lol

[rugged harbor]

The locomotive they use a lot is fine enough, doesn’t have a tender though and might be a tad modern for the era

[tiny plover]

See THIS is why they need lore junkies. Lol

The fine details

[rugged harbor]

Yeah, it’s fine enough though, most people wouldn’t notice except for people like me :p

I really wish they added a train extract though, I feel like that’d be cool

[amber harbor]

I think they also have the issue that the lore is supposed to be mysterious but with all the weapons and events maybe they're backing themselves in a corner, saturating the market

[granite shard]

I mean they're not really making things less mysterious. the core question of what the sculptor is, how it does everything, and whatnot continue to be unknown to us

and more mysteries get added like the backers

like core mysteries still exist but the world has become more fleshed out

[granite shard]

this is probably not the place for that question

[warm quartz]

Okay then

[high stone]

I just don’t like it as a “videogame cliche” at this point, and I’m having a hard time imagining (doesn’t mean I’m right, though) something grounded that works with the monster transformations we already have, and doesn’t feel like another low effort cartoony cop out.

[high stone]

Imho the Lore needs a rework for coherency, clarity, and filtering the good ideas out of the chaff… but I get scared thinking they’ll throw it ALL away and come up with some generic slop

[high stone]

I think this is the case, looking at just the volume of writing there is now

[jolly hawk]

Fixed the OCR issues at https://hunt-stats.com/library

[gilded umbra]

Is the reason we don’t have hardcover lore books because the lore is dynamic and changes?

[granite shard]

More likely because they don’t see a large enough financial potential for it

[gilded umbra]

Really? Everyone in this channel section would buy them but I guess that wouldn’t be enough.

[granite shard]

Yeah lol unfortunately

I think art and lore books for hunt would be amazing but shrug emoji

[gilded umbra]

Hopefully with this relaunch they’ll consider it 🤞

[granite shard]

I’m hoping with the community sentiment being very against the removal of the book of weapons they’ll at the very least reconsider that

[spiral mica]

I wonder if there's any special reason for calling it Mammon's gulch. Since in the bible Mammon is the idea and or entity of money and wealth and is associated with greed, which is one of the seven deadly sins.

It would make sense considering many hunters hunt because of the pursuit of fame and fortune.

[green pollen]

I assume cause a lot of mining is done there, for y’know, profit

[cyan kiln]

So, silly question I know but with the removal of the bestiary will all that lore be retconned? Are they implementing something new or just leaving it as is but without literature.

[real cedar]

Removing a book has happened once before with the Louisiana Case File being taken out of the game in Early Access (though it was only 10 pages), replaced by the Book of Monsters and later the Book of Weapons. Some of the lore inside was added onto the Hunt website for viewing, but two pages were missing. These would be the ideas effectively retconned, since they are never referenced again:
-The Sculptor being one of many sculptors, just the strongest one seen yet, able to possess more than one man
-Dragons existing
-Poltergeists existing

Some of the clippings that showed up on the website were referenced a small bit in later lore, but given less prominence.
-Madam Laveau talking to Philip Huff Jones is mentioned by Lynch in Bad as They Seem, then never again
-The True Deck is changed from being something other Hunters care about, to just something only Lynch does, and is only called tarot cards rather than The True Deck
-Pellela, despite his letter about sculptors and poltergeists not appearing on the website, gets referenced in Russel Chamber's story, but is killed without much further description.

And then some clippings are expanded upon as they become whole stories
-Lynch, first referenced in the case file and then in an online article, becomes a core character
-Philip Huff Jones continues to be a core character
-Victor Caldwell and his relationship with Huff is explained in more detail

So in short, IF they are using the library removal as a pretense for retcons, it's pretty likely only a few choice bits will be cut to better focus the story, and the story will continue on the way they've planned from the start. The lore will very likely return in some shape or form, either back into the game once they've added the new weapon/monster progression they mentioned, or they'll create some place to read it all just as they did with the Case File.

[real cedar]

Speaking of the Hunt Website, there's a new article on it from 5 days ago about Brood & Bile. One interesting note seems to be John Victor survived the Hunt and told plenty of stories to a journalist. It was kinda already known by how he talks in his BoW interview, but still.
https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/brood-bile

[cyan kiln]

Thank you for a detailed response to such a silly question. This does put me at ease for the future.

I've been around a while but not long enough to know about that retcon, glad to know some bits are floating around.

[real cedar]

It's good to ask these questions, sometimes it sparks a new revelation. For instance, I didn't realize til I looked again that two of the pages hadn't been added to the website, meaning they were actually retconned rather than in a grey area.

[granite shard]

Oh damn I hadn’t seen this, thanks for posting!!

[real dove]

Oh that was more lore? I wondered why they posted a thing about them.on insta, figured there was a sale or something. oof.

Solid catch

[granite shard]

Yeah same lmao

I saw the post on ig and was like “huh?? didn’t they post this two months ago?”

[eternal hazel]

Oh…oh no
The corruption is spreading…

[granite shard]

interesting that they're not specifying a state in which things have spread lol

[real cedar]

It sounds like the backers or someone else inadvertently spread the corruption in trying to bring wealth back to the dried up mines. Using all the bounties collected for occult rituals perhaps?

[granite shard]

ooh that would be interesting

[eternal hazel]

Well

[real dove]

ooooo

[eternal hazel]

It says loui

[granite shard]

for where it started

I just think it's interesting that they're not giving an actual state for where mammon's gulch is

[eternal hazel]

the Corruption has captured the Western Part

[granite shard]

I think the "corruption dwindling in louisiana" aspect is also really interesting

I wonder if the sculptor isn't strong enough to keep up with both LA and the new area. explains why just the drowned are enough to keep shit in check down there

[real dove]

I wonder if we really are pulling away from the sculptor

[real cedar]

They're going to have to say which state eventually, they'll be hamstringing themselves if they try to be like RDR and exist in an unspecified "west".
I'm pretty certain it's Colorado, the silver mines were a big part of the state's frontier history and even the burned out compound at 0:46 could be a reference to the fires in Cripple Creek which took out a huge chunk of the mining town in 1896. Of all the mining towns in Colorado, Cripple Creek seems the most "hunt-like" in that it was a den of vice, crime, and was one of the more violent miner's strikes of the time.

[granite shard]

CO makes the most sense to me as well. certainly somewhere in the rockies

[real dove]

likely

the moon was limiting it first iirc, so maybe it's stretched a bit far

ahhhhh i hope we see some new AI in one of these

[real cedar]

Check out the grunts at 1:00, the one in the back looks kinda odd. Kinda fits the melted metal description from the event lore

[granite shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRZEarS5p8g

okay colorado was specifically said here

[real dove]

silvery looking face for sure... i'll be so hype to be right if that is a new grunt type

[real cedar]

Really hard to see exactly, but it's some kinda metal covering. Devil's advocate says it's one of the old metal bite masks and an overactive imagination, but maybe not...

[real dove]

Brooooo there's a blood ai grunt thing in the other vid

blood immo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRZEarS5p8g

[pearl abyss]

I wish I read more into this world lore because i'm mainly worried about my boi the smugglers gang

[real cedar]

You're gonna want to sit down for this...

[pearl abyss]

oh no did my lil sailor bro die ;-;

like if your talking full on lore i know like cliff notes

[real cedar]

||Half of em died two events ago, the rest fled and basically disbanded, never been heard from||

[pearl abyss]

daw man. I liked them, they felt like the only "normal" pact in a while if that makes sense.

[brazen root]

I'm getting the impression that the reason the corruption spread to mammon's gulch was oil barons making deals with the sculptor or something along those lines

[real cedar]

Got to this part, I think it's just an immo in the dark, it's sparking and letting off ash like a regular immolator, not seeing any visual blood indicators

[pearl abyss]

like I fucking loved the waywierd outfit and style. I love the pact was litterly just "We want money, we kill mods for dosh and loot what we can"

[real dove]

looks weird to me but maybe

[real cedar]

It should be more lit up, yeah

[real dove]

its a normal immo

sadge

those roads seem hella empty

[pearl abyss]

why does he look like he checking his shoes?

[real cedar]

He looks like he's drunkenly stumbling home 😂

[pearl abyss]

look man just got off his 9-5 at the mine and needed his drink. Don't judge him.

I sometimes wonder if the hunters treat the stalker beetle like pets

[real cedar]

At least one does, the entomologist who first discovered them and began breeding new species of them

Damn, disappointed to see this notice board again. We're in a whole new state and we're seeing posters related to missing DeSalle guys?

[pearl abyss]

maybe they were missing nation wide? I doubt it but best i got

[pearl abyss]

stalker beetle new skin. Top hate and tie

[real dove]

possible extract on train?

[real cedar]

Could be, or the road right next to it like Lower DeSalle

[real dove]

chuh. I remain hopefuly

hopefull

[visual finch]

I doubt there will be a working train, i think that was already discussed with a previous trailer

but never say never i guess

[granite shard]

tbf an extract train doesn't need to work

it's never gonna move, it just has to have noises

but I think wagon is more likely

[real dove]

yeah. I'm hopeful regardless

would be cool

[visual finch]

I guess it would be too big and provide too much cover for an extraction point

[real dove]

o tru

make it a little train

lol

[visual finch]

https://tenor.com/view/miniature-train-choo-choo-i-think-i-can-all-aboard-gif-23362198

[real cedar]

Yeah, it's not something you could shoot over like the boat or through with the wagon

[real dove]

make it one of those push pull thingies

from cartoons

hand car?

lol

[real cedar]

yeah, hand car. How do you armor that up though?

[real dove]

could flip wagons and stuff like other locations have

idk how you'd do the warning the wagons and boats have

dunno. the lack of ai- didnt see a single dog- was sus to me. still hoping for hellwolves and elk

[granite shard]

there's probs a lack of AI since they're just trying to show off the level design

[real dove]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

lemme hope

[granite shard]

lmao

[real dove]

elk noises fit so well as sound traps

and I just wanna see my wolfy children

[granite shard]

I doubt we'll see elks since they specified the new sound traps as cows and bats, but who knows

I wanna see the cows

[real dove]

sameeeeee

i wanna see it all

herg

[high stone]

“..the wells ran dry and they did everything they could to bring them back…terrible things”

Why is a new story premise introduced practically every time there’s an advertisement trailer lol

[real dove]

it's explaining stuff why the backers have been trying to get bounties, not sure how its a new story premise

we do need to know why the corruption is there

[high stone]

???

“The corruption”…they should get off the black smoky creeping liquid thing and figure out the actual problem

It’s…boring

[real cedar]

The corruption is the actual problem?

It's just the manifestation of the sculptor extending further

[real dove]

Yeah

I dont get the issue

The oil wells and mines ran dry. The backers went, o shit, how do we refill them, and resorted to using the bounties

which clearly backfired

[high stone]

They already more interesting examples of “manifesting Sculptor” mentioning a corruption all the time is newer, from the Moons/Tides more, right?

[high stone]

What does this mean

How do bounties refill oil wells

[real cedar]

Nah, corruption goes all the way back to William Salter and the like

It did become a bit more prevalent in usage as hunters really got the picture that there's no infection or disease

[high stone]

I think we talked about this before, because corruption was more tied to “infection”, right? And then later became generic black slime “corruption” only

[real dove]

the oil well and the mines ran dry- no more oil, no more gold, no more silver. The backers, the people who made money off these, decided to get more silver/gold/oil via "terrible things" and since we have been sending our bounties out there, that's likely why the sculptor's corruption is there

does that help

[real cedar]

^ At least that's the theory at first glance

[real dove]

yeah

going off the info provided in DW and that trailer, feel pretty good about that

there NEEDS to be a reason the area is now affected by the sculptor

or i freaking hope we get one

There is some of that insect paper stuff in the videos, so that's here. we see armoreds, grunts, and hives. the immolator. so clearly the area is corrupted now, and that's my best guess why using the info we have

doesnt he say something about only us being able to do something? as in, only those inoculated can fight? need to rewatch again again

[high stone]

So are you saying the backers are replacing revenue from oil wells with bounty payouts?

[real dove]

No. They are USING the bounties on rituals to refill the wells

or have tried

again, i guess speculation

[high stone]

Lets not forget the mosquito from the end of end of Tides of whatever

[real dove]

I haven't, but imo that wasnt what started this

[high stone]

Yeah I’m not following…there’s some breaks in logic here

[real dove]

pls explain

cause i dont get how its not followable

one more time, then i give up

[real cedar]

Idk about black slime but the infection has always been spoken of as a corruption. Desk of a Hunter from 2018 makes mention of the corruption spreads, Book of Monsters in early 2019 says the Hellhounds are possessed by corruption. I am noticing that it became capital C Corruption around the Tides trilogy, so you are onto something in the sense the language has changed.

[real dove]

In this area, there are oil fields and mines with gold and silver. People, likely the Backers from DW, made hella money off them. But in time, the oil dried up, the mines ran empty, and the money stopped flowing. The Backers, seeking to keep that money flowing, decided to do "terrible things" (PER THE NEW VIDEO) to "refill" the mines and oil fields and thus keep the money going.

where is the break in logic

[high stone]

Yeah, that’s what I mean, it’s used interchangeable for infection earlier (irl historically, too) and then turns into capitol C magical “KoRuPtion” around the Tides

[granite shard]

Imo the shift to corruption is fine as they’ve learned it’s not a disease, it’s the impact of the sculptor

[real cedar]

Well it was always magical, but I get what you mean. Less focus on symptoms, more focus on paranormal twisting

[high stone]

Yeah it’s magical twisting with seemingly no rules or limits…it sort of flattens it and makes it a more superficial

[granite shard]

a lot of the corruption in the tides trilogy was also specifically from the land of the dead

like ash bloom and that sort of thing was directly tied to the lotd as opposed to directly from the sculptor

[real cedar]

The sculptor's rules haven't changed at all best I can tell, the Drowned were Lynch's creations so they get new symptoms which fit into her themes

[high stone]

So right now the backers entering into a Dagon-like deal for gold in Mammon’s gulch, and the mosquito bring a spore of corruption there is just a coincidence?

[granite shard]

could they not all play together?

[high stone]

Yeaahh…lotd and ash bloom…

[real dove]

aye

But going off the video, the people trying to refill the mines is what did it

[real cedar]

I doubt we're going to get any followup on the mosquito, it's effectively just a narrative compass that pointed towards the next event rather than what carried the plot forward

[real dove]

they did dark rituals and now the land eats the living

[granite shard]

it's possible that fucking around with the bounties was one thing, but when the mosquito came north with an actual living piece of the puzzle shit got fucked

[real dove]

also, and i know it's a game, but mosquitos dont really... travel

but semantics

i guess to be seen

but looking at that video we got today, i strongly suspect its the bounties/rituals

[high stone]

That’s my point haha… “narrative compass”…. It’s not, it’s just muddy writing without a payoff

[real dove]

what was the break in logic?

not getting what wasnt clear about what i wrote, and would really like to understand so i can make it clearer

[high stone]

So you think the bounty tokens are being used in rituals there to refill oil wells?

[real dove]

yes

as of DW we are sending the tokens west

[real cedar]

Idk, I guess it comes down to expectations. I never assumed the mosquito had significance because it was just an epilogue splash screen that you could only ever see once. The one for the end of Desolation's Wake was equally nothing, just similarly pointing towards what's next.

[high stone]

Maybe that was just a narrative compass

[real dove]

lmao

[high stone]

Haha yeah, me too, it’s just an insane loose end

[jovial stream]

Thank you. I came here to ask if stories in the past evens are just muddy writing or I am missing something

[high stone]

Haha, what was DW again?

Or, right

Wake

[real dove]

Desolation's wake

The one about the backers sending someone to make sure bounties keep going west

and hardin and Felis duking it out

Honestly, I'm with Rai here, I think the mosquito wasnt really meant to be anything

[granite shard]

I think it's possible that it means something

imo there's been a lot of small things over the tides trilogy that they ended up following up on

[real dove]

i took it moreso as rat is alive again over being the start of this all

[real cedar]

Though I agree that the events aren't as cleanly written as the old lore, or even the new Book of Weapons lore. It takes a LOT of time carefully reading through it to make the Tides trilogy make any sense, and I've given up completely on the Moon trilogy

[real dove]

esp given the info we got today

[high stone]

This is my point, they just threw it out there

And someone cherry picks it later

[granite shard]

imo the moon trilogy makes sense but didn't have a cohesive ending due to them abandoning the full narrative to go back to more "traditional" hunt lore delivery

[high stone]

That’s what’s frustrating about the lore…these are like built in excuses not to follow through on things

[real cedar]

Yeah, the nature of the Mystery Box

[high stone]

Death of a good story

[granite shard]

I was initially not very impressed by tide of desolation as an ending to the tides trilogy

but imo DW ended up wrapping up most of the hanging threads well

I think hunt just has a problem where the vessels for lore delivery are very small and fragmented

and like is the answer to make the scope smaller? maybe, but I like the fact that we're getting more of a cohesive narrative that's developing and tying things together more

[high stone]

Yeah it’s too bad

[jovial stream]

Is there a video or one composed text that would describe what happened in the story? I am completely lost

[real dove]

same. The compendium has been a blessing in that regard.

[granite shard]

I don't think that really helps with the issue of lore delivery, it just makes it easier to look things up

[real dove]

HazmatFTW has videos about it.

[granite shard]

the problem is that historically hunt has had like three vessels for telling its story: blog entries, book of weapons/monsters, and event lore

[real dove]

true, but i dont have to go looking for chapters now, they're all in 1 places

[high stone]

Yeah, I also would reaally like it to have original, interesting, well thought out ideas

[granite shard]

that is something that is entirely subjective

[high stone]

It really has, haha (thanks Rai)

[granite shard]

but continuing what I was saying abt lore delivery, blog entries happen every so often (usually around events), book of weapons historically came some time after a patch (and is now going away), and then event lore when an event drops

[high stone]

I wouldn’t say entirely, each of those things are debatable, but it’s true it is hard to argue tastes in a short conversation

[granite shard]

like if the event lore chapters were able to be longer it'd be one thing, but I doubt that will happen, esp now that they're including voice acting

[high stone]

Sure

[granite shard]

the lore team is also pretty small. I think atm there's two narrative designers

[high stone]

Yeah

[granite shard]

idk it's just one of those things where there's room to improve things but also there doesn't appear to be any desire from the higher ups to invest in what's needed to develop things further

[real cedar]

Though in some ways they are improving the presentation of the lore, voice acting and especially the animated trailers have come a long way.
It's just that those aren't giving any extra info, it's just higher quality

[granite shard]

yeah

[high stone]

Yes

[granite shard]

I think the issue too is the taking resources and focus away from narrative teams is an industry wide thing too

[high stone]

Yeah true

[granite shard]

it's something I can scream abt at length lmao

like it just sucks so bad bc the value lore gives games is huge but there's just not an obvious financial pointer for it

so it's one of the first things that suits want to cut in order to extract as much profit from a game as possible

[real dove]

I hope they realize that there is a decent following on the lore for this game, and that it's a lot bigger of a thing that makes Hunt Hunt than they would think

[real cedar]

Yeah, I saw a lot more outrage about the library removal than I initially thought. We're kinda a small group in lore discussion but the people who care about it aren't so small

[high stone]

I think John Carpenter said it, but the quote was something like “No one is going to watch a movie in twenty years and go ‘GOD was that film on time and under budget!!’”

[granite shard]

it reallly made me happy to see that being one of the things people have voiced their disappointment about the most

[granite shard]

YEAH, like yes the gameplay for a FPS is front and center and paramount, but the impact of a story is still huge in distinguishing a game

art can never exist for the sake of art

[real dove]

I hope they are simply going over it and perhaps, creating a better method for having it out there. theres been a lot of cool ideas, and I get that the lore is likely not the most pressing thing, but I do hope in time it gets the love i think it deserves

[real cedar]

It'll come back in some way, I'm sure. The writers are still passionate, enough so to write completely extra stories that didn't need any expanding. Turning the Doctor's Snare blurb into a story about as big as 3 weapon masteries shows they're plenty invested. Guess it'll come down to how the rest of the devs want to accommodate that.

[granite shard]

Dude that corvid blog entry was great

I really love when they get the opportunity to write something longer

[real cedar]

It also continued a theme they've been toying with since the start of Tides. The paranormal significance of stories and secrets, cutting out Hunter tongues to take power from the words they once spoke, just as secrets were sacrificed to the event altars.

[granite shard]

Yeah!

The continued emphasis of brood/bile not being doctors is something that will always make me chuckle too

[high stone]

Oh yeah, is there anywhere I can read it still?

[granite shard]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/brood-bile

The hunt site seems to be a bit slow today

[real cedar]

Increased traffic'll do that. A good sign

[high stone]

Wow, so Doctor’s Snare is a blowfish-venom trap that will explode, take off an enemy’s leg, crippling them, and has no antidote…maybe I’ll have to buy the Corvid pack now! 🤪

[granite shard]

Poison trap buff incoming

[high stone]

Wild that they say “no antidote”

[edgy aspen]

The lore is like 50% of my enjoyment in this game. Please, please expand some great new story to the corruption being in Colorado!!!

[sage halo]

Is there any lore on the occult writing that is on some of the weapons or a place where I could see it all?

[real dove]

i think the compendium has some of it translated

[sage halo]

Thank you

[real dove]

sorry, if there are other spots, i dont know of them

[real cedar]

The compendium has translations for the Voynich where possible, and the three ciphers for the letters themselves is at the start of the 'Legendary Skins' section

[spiral mica]

Does anyone possibly know what state the new map is in? Or if Mammon's gulch is a real place somewhere?

[cerulean plank]

It’s in Colorado

[spiral mica]

That was my first guess

My other guess was Arkansas on account of all the mining stuff

Arkansas is also the state north of Louisiana

[warm quartz]

So, no random hunters anymore

Everyone will be a defined character

[high river]

Who is the tutorial guide character?

[real cedar]

John Victor, he has a couple stories he appears in. Spider Mastery, Mosin masteries, Vetterli cyclone mastery, and an online blog article about Brood & Bile.
He's going to become a legendary hunter in the next update, you have to get to prestige 100 to unlock him though.

[high river]

Is it this one?

[real cedar]

Nope, here's the pic from the developer update

[high river]

Thank you!

[real cedar]

That guy is probably one of the upgraded T2s

[high river]

I would prefer it if it was a regular legendary. But you might be right

[real dove]

Since we are going to no more randoms, likely some form of him will be available to buy

[warm quartz]

I want to point out that he talks like a southern Geralt of Rivia

[real dove]

it's the same voice actor for John Victor iirc, so I'd think so

[real cedar]

Yup, Doug Cockle voices both characters

[chrome tree]

Isn’t the guy that victor shoots in the tutorial named Otis? You have to close the door to revive him

This is from UI video

[real cedar]

Looked up a video on the tutorial, it's a greenshirt named Cletus that John shoots.

[sinful warren]

Cletus is a name Fr

[chrome tree]

Cletus lol

[high stone]

Yep, it’s become a jokey shorthand for “redneck guy” in pop culture over the decades

[rugged harbor]

I hope when they introduce canon hunter names they add the green shirts guys name as either Cletus or Luigi

[gilded umbra]

This is my favorite channel here. 📚

[swift steppe]

What's the deal with this painting?

Is the unusually detailed house next to Cypress Huts supossed to be lore-relevant?

[high stone]

Is it the house with the zombie coming out of the cellar doorway in the floor?

The zombie is likely an “Evil Dead” reference, I think there are more items that reference the Evil Dead cabin in that house, but I don’t remember offhand

Was there a mounted deer head in there? It’s been awhile

[swift steppe]

Yes there was a mounted deer head above the fireplace, I dont remember a zombie crawling out of the cellar tho

[high stone]

I think that particular painting appears in a few different compounds

[rare dirge]

yeah that entire cabin is an evil dead reference

you can go to the shed in the back and see the outline of a chainsaw on the wall

[warm quartz]

Who pinged me

[green pollen]

Does anyone have a kind of head cannon where DeSalle actually is cause my is Arkansas

[deft storm]

up the Mississippi somewhere

[deft storm]

and over the rainbow

[proven charm]

"South of New Orleans". I found that phrase on a building in DeSalle

[green pollen]

Well that’s a fucking lie

[proven charm]

?

[green pollen]

Look at southern Louisiana, south of New Orleans

[proven charm]

By no means do i think it looks like Louisiana, but i'm telling you i think the building says "best resturant south of new orleans"

[deft storm]

lol what the hell

Wasn't there something about Desalle being an island before? Maybe it got changed from an island to a weird canyon borderland halfway through development when they decided to give up and give in to the Cowboy kiddos who think Hunt's an old western game

[deft storm]

Nugget is saying it's a lie because the devs have stated a few times that Desalle is north of New Orleans, I believe

old sign, I guess

[proven charm]

I didn't know

[deft storm]

not your fault lol, that's one misleading restaurant slogan

[proven charm]

It was on the trials map so maybe it's changed

[granite shard]

Oh my god I knew there was a reason I thought something said desalle was south of New Orleans

I’m glad we’re finally leaving Lousiana so we don’t have the weirdness of trying to place an area w a unique biome in LA anymore lmao

[deft storm]

DeSalle does look like some places more north in LA, like Kisatchie in the fall.....the weirdest part is the canyon walls

[granite shard]

Back when the map first launched, in the dev video they said they took an inspiration from the “Midwest” which they probably meant the middle west and not the actual Midwest region lmao

[deft storm]

oh sure, maybe somewhere from AR to CO then

[granite shard]

Them describing it as midwestern made me laugh bc it’s like peak “I have heard the term Midwest and have made a very reasonable assumption as to what that means”

Instead of being cursed with the knowledge that the Midwest is cornfields and casseroles

[real dove]

corn and cows lol

flat and full of fields

[burnt hare]

is mammon's gulch in Louisiana ?

[empty basin]

Colorado is what I gathered

[real dove]

Yep, Colorado

[tidal stratus]

Can anyone tell me what the reward is? So, the hunters take it off the map and give it back, what exactly? How does she manifest herself physically and what does AHO pay for? (Sorry for my bad language)

[amber harbor]

The Bounty is something like an organ left behind after banishing a boss. They sell it to 'The Backers', a mysterious group of rich folk who use the power of the bounties. It's unclear exactly why the bounties are wanted, but I recall several theories: eternal life, rewards in high stakes poker, and now with the new trailer maybe producing oil?

[tidal stratus]

Thanks! I'm writing an adventure for the Delta Green tabletop role-playing game and I needed to figure out exactly what remains after the boss is Banished.

[amber harbor]

You can take a look in the pinned comments for inspiration, Rais document contains all lore written for the game with explanaitions, and DeadeyeBro's page has the lore books as they are in game for easier viewing.

[tidal stratus]

thank you very much!

[empty basin]

Can't wait to learn more about Mammonds Gulch or whatever the map name is!

[real dove]

SAME

[empty basin]

Who were the big names in town before the corruption? Who owned the mine's and the oil well's? Who brought the corruption to town, and why there in Colorado? Idk, I hope it has some good stories and lore behind the new map!

[tiny plover]

I mean we're takin CLASSIC Eldritch Americana type stuff here, Im really excited.
Mountain dries up of oil, what'dya do but a HORRIFIC amount of human sacrifice to keep that black gold 'uh Pumpin

The mountain has already eaten dozens, Hundreds of Men, whats a few more..?

Its a real fun idea. The whole "Man's greed leads to powers centuries old and Far Beyond their understanding, let alone control," beat is alot of fun, and fits hunt really well.

Like, Lousiana is bad because of Neglect, People wanting to keep the status quo for profit. Mammond's Gulch is an event where people, the Same people or at least similar parties, Brought this new outbreak on themselves.

[empty basin]

Those sound great and very plausible, I can't wait to see where they went with it! Hope it (the lore, the story) was much more than just an afterthought or vague tie in. I agree gameplay takes precedent, but love when there is some meat to the setting, not just "hey new map new tree's, no story behind it though."

[real cedar]

Since they're moving to a whole new state, it's definitely going to take a lot more work to ground the new map within the story. The old maps had years of story to set up Louisiana. The location blog posts, the Louisiana Case File, Book of Weapons, Book of Monsters, etc.
With only the (assumed) 15 chapters of the new event story being available at first, it seems like they're going to have to work hard to set things up. Hopefully it gets supplemented with online blog posts, and then going forward they set a bunch of new stories in Colorado using whatever the sequel to the Library is.

[warm quartz]

Bayo club went to Colorado for holidays

[high stone]

I’m looking forward to see what they do. Might be informative, if not interesting!

🤞 Crytek connects it in a meaningful (consistent!) and satisfying way to Louisiana and the events there

[deft storm]

good luck lmao

[deft storm]

all that had to be done was.....not say anything about " oil men doing terrible things because the wells ran dry", and we could all make the reasonable assumption that the infection (corruption) was brought there by contaminated things from the bayou, accidentally or intentionally

the downside there is that it doesn't drive too much fan speculation, does it?

it's probably intentionally vague, another wild goose chase... thin on details, but enough "vibes" to keep gamers interested

[restive patrol]

I'll be honest, Colorado wouldn't be a bad addition if they put as much thought as they did for the bayou maps. Even just adding reskins of the AI to fit the new environment would have been great. If you review the old dev logs, you can see how important the setting of Louisiana was to every addition on the AI roster and even theming of the Sculptor. But alas, most people don't care and it prob doesn't warrant enough dev resources for the potential rewards if they did put that much care.

It would've been super cool if they took this as an opoortunity to expand on the lore if it was a new entity separate from the Sculptor, but similar to it, calling back to the old lore where they reference "Poltergeists" and the like.

[high stone]

I’m curious what they said about the sculptor theming

[restive patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga34IHKdVMU Given the overt insect theme of the AI roster and constant references to how backwater the Louisiana bayou is when referencing the Sculptor, early concepts seem to be that the Sculptor is unable to infect strongholds of industry or people that are more "resilient", only able to slowly corrupt beings into the forms it needs as it "needs to possess people" in order to corrupt them (https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Pellella_Note_(Pages_11-12)), which is why in early concepts, the corruption is seen/described more as a disease (https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Governor_Foster_Assures_Citizens_(Pages_1-2)), rather than the recent more overt examples of "ohhhh spooky eldritch being". Its more subtle, biding its type until its able to metamorphisize into a stronger form, similar to how insects molt to reach a new form, which is referenced in the video above. Additionally, they note in this devlog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGlXhNXubs) here, they emphasize how important it is to make the player feel the humidity and uncomfortable the bayou is and how that plays into the supernatural affliction plaguing the area. Additionally, they reference that the zombies aren't meant to just be your normal "undead" from other horror titles, highlighting that they wanted them to act more like diseased people.

[acoustic whale]

does the sculptor know hes bad?

why can't he just be nice

and call it a day

[amber harbor]

Is he stupid?

[visual finch]

I think, but i may be wrong, that the Sculptor is akin to some kind of weird animal, with primal intelligence and instinct. Malicious, for sure, but it thinks in a different way than us

[amber harbor]

Yeah, he just wants to grow, not really malicious, its that we all have to die for him to expand

So it goes 🤷

[real cedar]

One Q&A from 2019 suggests hunger is a primary motivator but it's unclear whether the question is talking about the Sculptor or the monsters it forms

Something more recent is Lynch saying "I will have a mouth as wide as the Sculptor. I will learn to hunt as it hunts, and take what it cannot"

[visual finch]

The only creatures we actively saw feeding are the grunts tho (and, well, hellhounds i guess? Since they have a bite attack), so i guess it's referred to Sculpty

[real cedar]

Yeah, it's my assumption too, just hedging bets cause the wording is odd.

Hearn A: Hunger ... we'll hopefully have a chance to go more into this, but can't make any promises```

[tiny plover]

I mean, in the trailer for Mammon, the narrator says as much. The oil wells had dried up, so in an attempt to get them running agian they did "unspeakable things."

Whether that is One Big Thing or a bunch of lil things that culminate into a breakout is unclear. But we know, regardless of consequence, it was done On Purpose by Men. Not monsters. At least monsters who may Pass for men at a glance lol

We know for a fact people use Bounty tokens and other lil bits of Supernatural material to do some fun stuff
(Visit the Land of the Dead, make some weird zombie lady with Captain America strength, putting the moon in a ethereal headlock, etc etc)

I suppose I get your point on not likeing a better idea of the Why, the why of how the corruption began, but there are so many Whys to be had.

Still dont know wtf the sculptor, much less any of the 'gods' we know of thus far, wants. We dont know what they did to achive this new infection.

Theres still a ton of stuff we just dont have access to yet. Map and lore wise.

[real cedar]

The Colorado lore could be a really good chance to explore how the Sculptor enters an area. We didn't get any information like that for Louisiana, it had already spread by the time the AHA were on the scene. The Modern Researcher floats one theory that the atrocities committed in Pelican Island Prison could've played a part in getting its attention but it's a pretty loose theory.

[tiny plover]

Hey rai you think gods in hunt operate like gods in other media, where if poeple stop thinking about them they die off?

What if thats why the Sculptor craves Stories so much.

Its defining, concrete. Stories last.

[real dove]

I don't think it cares

If they are keeping that it's been there popping up through history, then it isn't needing to be remembered to exist

[tiny plover]

Mm, fair point

[real dove]

To me it's more akin to a fungus, where it seeks to spread and grow

[tiny plover]

Im Thinking more Chaos god, less eldrich horror I think

[real cedar]

I think it's more likely to be Lovecraftian in the style of "From Beyond". The sculptor and other demons come from another realm and something tore a rip in the fabric of our world letting it cross over. There's the old dev lore mention about 'The Sundering' which makes me think of that.

[real dove]

Be it intelligently or the same as a cordyceps

And we fight it off long enough to weaken it until a new infection appears

[tiny plover]

Fungus analogy is good. Can lay dorment for years and years until the time/conditions are right to propegate

Ah la great supernatural infection, mayhap

[real cedar]

Yeah, it seems like it can go dormant for decades before resurfacing. The Modern Researcher implies it hasn't been active since whatever ended the Louisiana Event.

[real dove]

Yeah. At this point I wonder if it is an evil creature, or rather one that by nature must infect to survive

[tiny plover]

I dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing considering entities like the Assassian and their ability to fuck off from "the nest" and blend in with us....

[real dove]

There is a post about the cemetery that alludes to the first infections being there, when they interacted with corpses /coffins that had floated up during a flood. I'd love more lore on the start of this all tho

[tiny plover]

Mm mm

[real dove]

The assassin had powers prior to his getting absorbed into the sculptor's mess

[tiny plover]

Fuck wait the assasian is a tagalong like butcher and scrapbeak?

[real dove]

I think once he got 'infected' tho, he became part of the mindlessly controlled creatures, infused with part of the original soul

?

[tiny plover]

He wasnt directly created by the sculp, but rather was taken on later?

[real dove]

No

[tiny plover]

Ah la taxadermy, furry bird man surgeries, etc

[real dove]

Yes

Sorry

Yes he was taken on

Even the spider in a sense wasn't created by sculpt, but the result of a pile of bodies getting fused

[tiny plover]

Ok. Spider I count as a Sculptor OG creation, mass grave or no. He just set the glue into place...

Wait fuck no

I remeber

It WASNT just a mass grave, it was also that WEIRDO

[real dove]

?

Dr Reed?

The grunt dude?

[tiny plover]

The guy who was like "tee hee lets put bugs in people and cut them up for 'science' :)"

Yeah thats the one

[real cedar]

The assassin first displayed anomalous properties in 1890 I believe, climbing on walls and a small hint about the beetles, but it isn't until 1893 at least that he became the ugly swarm we hunt.
So Vincent was once a real man, but something happened, either Sculptor infection of a unique strain or something else. The bug theme definitely makes it feel like the Sculptor had a hand in creating him.

[tiny plover]

Huh. I was always under the assumption he was Always a double agent, the first member of the scouting party

[real cedar]

It could be, though it means his disguise deteriorated and the Sculptor never saw fit to bring him back as a human that could infiltrate

[tiny plover]

Same way all the bugs in his back pocket achive the same 2 things; spread infection, return information for The Bozs

[tiny plover]

I mean, why would you? His cover was blown. Would you send your exposed agent back in the field, same assignment too??

Sure shapeshifting is cool and all but.. fire, yknow?

Martian Manhunter is fucking BADASS until you get a book of matches....

[real cedar]

It's also the narrative style that each of the creatures go through, they begin as a singular entity separate from the sculptor and then get absorbed into the cycle of rebirth after their death, kinda like their soul gets reused. So the Vincent that talked with Harold Black in 1890 and looked human likely died or succumbed to infection and then became the beetle swarm

[tiny plover]

Mm. Guess its the matter of not quite knowing the critera of what the Sculptor sees as Worth their time/energy to make/maintain a boss. Each one kinda fills a roll, spider is QA, assassin is.. an assassin, spy. Or at least was. Butcher is muscle, scrap is... quartermaster....? Not a great resource manager if he just hordes everything. Unless its JUST about depriving resources from us

And rotjaw is literally just a partially unrelated Lost Child who misses her fucking Mom

(Fuck you Chery)

[real cedar]

Looking over it again, an interesting timeline issue appears

[tiny plover]

Oooo

[real cedar]

Harold Black didn't talk to Vincent in 1890 when the lynching happened, it was in 1893-1894ish over the course of a year up until 1895 when Hiram R. Lott died in Nicaragua.
Except the Journal of Micah Mitchell (UpperMat mastery) says he shot and killed the Assassin in 1893.

So it seems the Assassin could turn back into a human and walk around with his buddy? Drinking, hunting, going on hikes together, then wandering back into the Bayou to kill Hunters?

[tiny plover]

What else do assaissins do if not blend in?

Sure he doesnt in game, but thats because we showed up AT HIS HOUSE. At that point sublty is... unessisary lol

Hyperbolizing the house part mind ya, but point being I think Vincint never existed

He was always bug man, just got what he needed from Harold and NO as a whole, and dipped

[real cedar]

But what exactly did he need from Harold? A clerk's arguments with the Governor of Louisiana on foreign policy and potential trade routes through South America?

[tiny plover]

Hey man, if your goal is world domination, you need info. Who better BUT a drunkard clerk

Starts with a swamp. Then a town. Then a state.

Then a country and then DA WORLD

[real cedar]

It kinda makes sense that one would spy on the governor through his clerk, but that information isn't exactly acted upon in any way.
Hell, we're still debating whether the Sculptor is sapient.

[tiny plover]

At this point I think sentience or our definition of is relative lol.

Im trying to think of a good comparison but thats just it, its eldrich, we aren't SUPPOSED to have a frame of refrence lol

Id be fucking worried if we did...

[real cedar]

It would definitely fit our definition if one of the sculptor's creations spies on a politician to further the sculptor's aims. That's a very human line of thinking

[tiny plover]

And even at that rate, does the sculptor need 'sentience' or does he need an information machine that can translate mortal BS into something theg can understand

Whether thats more hivemind or not is hard to say, but if we think of the assassin in that regaurd as a set of eyes, an organic machine that translates info

He can still be justified, even if the sculptor is a weird bug thing beyond our understanding

[real cedar]

Perhaps, but then where did the Assassin come from? If it was never human to begin, and the sculptor needs it to translate humanity, how is it so convincing as to give good life advice to a struggling writer?

[tiny plover]

Because if no one belives in you, the sculptor will

(To take advantage of your trust and use you until you're nothing more than biomass to be recycled)

That and I just got stuck on the fact that there have been dozens of examples of mortals, or even in the bosses' case mortal meat, "ascending" to godhood

So like... what is the sculptor is just.. some guy..

A guy who's somehow managed to turn themselves into a god, but just some guy.

We think Lynch came from the otherside, but who's to say its their first time here?

Theres literally no confirmarion on assention rules whatsoever outside of Desolation's hints

[real cedar]

Well it's not so much ascending as being incorporated. Some parts of the research imply that the Sculptor takes possession of people and they become its new limbs in a way, each with roles to fill like organs.

[granite shard]

tbh I don't think the ascention the demented wanted is possible

I think that was largely cult shit lol

[real cedar]

At first I was thinking the Assassin turned at some point, but now that I'm looking it over more carefully it's more like a Jekyll and Hyde situation, which would fit perfectly with the gothic horror theming. Vincent only appears to Harold at night, and as he's leaving in the dawn once he appears to multiply. The Assassin and Vincent take very different actions and neither seem to further the other's goals.

[tiny plover]

Seemed to work for The Big Bug. Granted, 200% the sculptors will exlclusivly, demented are flies buzzing around a corpse, and it got blown up BUT
Chary tried it, Lynch is there or nearly there. People seem to THINK its possible

[tiny plover]

Ah la Independent Shadowclone?

Fuck I can hear the hidden leaf theme in my head now...

[real cedar]

Not separate physically like a shadowclone, but Vincent turns into the Assassin and seems to hide it by only appearing at night. Almost like he wants to be human for a time before having to go back to being a monster. It could be that Vincent is still a bad dude who had a hand in killing the police chief and might've been spying on the Governor, but all that still feels separate from what The Assassin does.

[tiny plover]

I do wanna harp that being contridictory to your cover is very line with what an Assassin is typically

To be fair

I would argue its 95% of the job lol

[real cedar]

If they're so contradictory that the reader is unable to discern the assassin's intentions, then sure they're a really good assassin but not a great fictional character.

[tiny plover]

Fair

Though I do think you give him more agency than I am in my head. To me, like every other monster in the sculp's army, he's another replaceable pawn

Or rather a recyclable pawn?

[granite shard]

imo what we've seen of him in his book of monsters lore, he does have more agency

[real cedar]

Yeah, nothing else the sculptor has possession of is even capable of communication

[tiny plover]

But is that Faux agency. Is it the sculptor's approximation of, was he at once a normal guy like rai posed?

We dunno

[granite shard]

I don't think he was ever a normal guy, but he's able to approximate a human

[real cedar]

I definitely think he was a normal guy once, the Sculptor has never birthed anything before

It's always a twisting of something that was created indepedently

[granite shard]

I don't think that the sculptor created him but I do think that he went "hmmm I like this"

[real dove]

"mine now thx"

"you made this.... I made this"

[granite shard]

I think the assassin is the boss I'd like to learn more abt the most tbh

[real dove]

I wonder if he was the first

or the spider

[tiny plover]

Assassin's gotta be first, book or no. He's the scout. Plus, spider didnt occur until grunts starting occuring en mass

[granite shard]

it's possible the grunts came before the bosses

[tiny plover]

Oh for sure

[granite shard]

and it took time for the sculptor to gain the strength for the big boys

[real cedar]

If he was corrupted enough to be climbing walls, having beetles in his coat, and throwing spike daggers in 1890/91, it seems like he was the first. Spider didn't happen until 1894/95 since they talk about Daniel Glanton likely being the first to kill one.

[granite shard]

is there any form of date for the butcher?

[real dove]

yes

[real cedar]

100% 1895

[granite shard]

cool thanks

[real dove]

butcher has hard dates

[granite shard]

god bless hard dates

[real dove]

ikr

gib more

[tiny plover]

No 🙂

[real dove]

[real cedar]

At the same time, some hard dates throw everything into whack, mainly the Journal of Micah Mitchell pushing back the Hunt a whole year

[tiny plover]

Ew I hate that it defaults to emoji. That is NOT the emotion I wish to convay.

:).

[real dove]

can turn that off

:)

[tiny plover]

This. This is the only correct emotion.

[real dove]

its in settings somewhere iirc

[tiny plover]

For all expression.

[granite shard]

I do think that the assassin was an independent monster from the sculptor originally but as of at least 93 with the uppermat entry he came under the control of the sculptor

also my hottest take is that they should move a lot more stuff back a year

[real dove]

or forwards

move the start forwards some

[granite shard]

I have been on this soapbox before but I'll die on the hill that if they just put huff's death in 94

[real dove]

yar

[granite shard]

stuff would work better

[real dove]

maybe well see some changes upcoming

[tiny plover]

I mean, if ever there was a chance to clean up chronology...

[granite shard]

I doubt it, but maybe

I mean this is all hinging on them bringing back the library which they've made no public indication that they have any plans for

we don't even have word on an official archive of the information lmfao christ

[tiny plover]

God all the independed monsters the sculptor could scoop up from the west coast

Imagine the Thunder Bird from the salter's crown story as a roaming boss....

Imagine fucking the Virginia Mothman why HAVENT they stolen that yet..

[granite shard]

I don't really want a thunder bird as a boss since that starts coming into the beliefs indigenous people have

it's why I don't want a wendigo either

[tiny plover]

Ahh fair as

[tiny plover]

Huh. Thats a moral complication I wasnt expecting to think about today.

[real dove]

some kind of golem would be interesting

land based monster

since seems a lot of this hinges on the land being infected

[tiny plover]

With the mountains too? Absolutely

[real dove]

the greed manifesting

mammon do be the demon of greed

[tiny plover]

Because I want be like "if done tastefully..?" But theres really no way to portray them, at least with Hunt's aestetic, as anything short of horrific.

[granite shard]

tbh again with golem, that's part of a living religion (Judaism) so it's in the wendigo/thunder bird category for me

[tiny plover]

With the thunder bird I can see it going "oh sculpor gottem, he needs to be clensed" but still..

[real cedar]

The Golem of Prague is a cultural part of the religion, not really a holy piece of canon that would offend them.
I'm of the opinion that if you want to display a monster, unless you're going straight into body horror or lovecraft you're going to step on somebody's toes. Bigfoot began as a native legend too.

[tiny plover]

Problem is hunt has been pretty decent with OG monsters, no direct reference to cultures of any kind for an antagonist. The worst relgion bashing in all of Hunt is President calling out Isacc as a semi-fraud, and he's in a Doomsday cult

[real dove]

I'm kinda on the same side. Eventually you can't help but make something that is in some way similar to something that is already in existance

[granite shard]

I don't think that the fact that a lot of stuff does include stepping on toes means we shouldn't pay attention to conversation that's been coming up more about the appropriation of religious beliefs into monsters (and then cutting the context from them)

[tiny plover]

Well theres the key, cutting context. Reducing importance, cultural releventce, etc etc.

Can that be done well for hunt..?

Eehehhhhhhhhhh

[real dove]

I think there are def creatures out there that don't belong to anyone and would fit, as well as things that haven't been done

[real cedar]

If you guys consider Ronin, Scaramuccia, etc. as done well, then yea they absolutely can do it

[granite shard]

for indigenous american beliefs I don't think that crytek has the cultural capability to do them in a way that doesn't come down to pop culture stereotypes tbh

[tiny plover]

Its the antagonist part though, that's where monsters get reduced to just that, monsters

People hardly complain about protagonists, they're being put in a good light

[real cedar]

They've touched upon indigenous stuff before that was done well enough, tying the Bayou Teche into the Bad as They Seem story

[tiny plover]

Ok thats a vast oversimplification but still

[tiny plover]

Bad as they seem has indegenous refrences..?

[real cedar]

Yeah, the giant snake spirit thing, the modern researcher believes Collins was inspired by the Bayou Teche story

[granite shard]

I had looked into the bayou teche a bit just trying to tie things together and tbh I don't know if I'd call it super well done. they mostly just saw that there was some indigenous folklore abt a big snake and then did their own thing w it

I don't think it was like offensively done or anything

[real cedar]

Not being offensively done is a win I'd say, this isn't diplomatic relations or anything

[granite shard]

but like if they had to work something like a wendigo (which tends to be the most asked for monster) they'd need to do more with it

and that's where I see things going wrong

[tiny plover]

They'd have to lean on the desperation angle. Man corrupted by nessesity type beat, even if I thhiiink it leads away from most trandional stories on becoming wendigo?

Less greed, more need

But hunt is ALL ABOUT GREED

So its akward.

[real dove]

you could go back to something like the talkyrock as an origin point for something golemy. wouldnt have to call it a golem, but was the best way to explain it

[granite shard]

I mean ultimately the best approach is for them to just not do it and create something else

[real dove]

fucked up elk boss when

[tiny plover]

This is my oc please dont steal

"Sir that is literally just werewolf"

Nuh uh... its a.. lycannine....

Totally diffrent...

[real dove]

I think if we got a ww/elk boss people would just call it a wendigo

sad

cause I like that combo a lot

[tiny plover]

Yeah ..

Yknow what fuck it. Make the new boss a white buffulo. The culturally-blind nuclear option.

[real dove]

oof

[tiny plover]

Start there, work BACK in cultural insensitivity to wendigo

[real cedar]

The sparks does nitro-level damage to it 🧠

[tiny plover]

[tiny plover]

Im gonna vomit at my own bit god the fucking pictures...

I will never get those mountains of skulls out of my head... and, good. But.. fuck.

[granite shard]

one of the most horrible things done

[tiny plover]

Actually the only valuable use of time travel. Fuck world changing events, I wanna Hunt Buffalo poachers.

[granite shard]

yeah, I liked the bit in rdr2 where arhur and charles are hunting buffalo and they come across some buffalo poachers and charles is just like "hey you should go kill those guys" and arthur's like :)

[tiny plover]

Catharsis I never knew I needed Ill tell you 'hwat

[real dove]

it's the fact that people went out in trains with machine guns and just... mowed them down

didnt eat them

just killed them

[tiny plover]

And why did they do that? To genocide a people by depriving them of both food and cultural significance ;)

Fuck its hard trying to be proud of this dump.

[real dove]

they didnt care. was just lol for them

:\

[tiny plover]

Ok Im gonna go distract myself Im getting radical in my head

[real dove]

lol

[real cedar]

To them, depriving the comanche of food was more humane than outright massacres as an answer to the atrocities that had been committed. Imagine the photos if they had chosen people instead of buffalo.
Still shortsighted as all hell ecologically

[tiny plover]

Not trying to get arrested today
Not yet at least...

[tiny plover]

Yeah, and Im sure plantation owners were mighty proud of adding additons to their "servents quarters" to improve "the help's" quality of life

Ok Im slowing dow

[real dove]

Let's get away from the politics

[granite shard]

I think that we should probably not get any deeper into a discussion on the buffalo killings and stuff to stay within server rules

[real cedar]

Agreed

[tiny plover]

See what I mean lol

[icy brook]

I’d like to see some more acknowledgment of bison hunting in the new map, it’s heavily implied some of our current hunters undertook that profession before working with the AHA

[real dove]

I'd be surprised if we do as the bison were found more so in the plains than up in the mountains. Also not sure we had hunters involved in the mass killings we were discussing, The stories that come to mind are hunters who likely use them for meat. I guess it is to be seen but I suspect if we're going to get piles of anything it's going to be piles of cow skulls.

I really want to know what the Easter eggs were going to get are going to be

Since we got Shrek in DeSalle

[icy brook]

Buffalo hunting was such a pedestrian profession during its peak that any T1 or T2 hunter fits the physical description

[real dove]

To be seen I guess. Rai, you gonna help me look for the Easter eggs?

[real cedar]

Ye 👍 once I get everything else written down I'll start hunting for easter eggs

[granite shard]

I hope there'll be a free roam mode

[real dove]

SAME

[real cedar]

It'd make things easier but I'm expecting to just have to sneak around the map as others fight. First checking the entire border, then taking it one compound at a time for letters, posters, little knick-knacks, etc.

[noble scarab]

Maybe the free roam would be like the former trials, but probably not since they’re removing that

[tiny plover]

True. With trials gone the place For freeroam is as well...

But surely for the sake of learning and exploring

[high stone]

Sorry to go backwards in chat, but I agree with you here, all the way. Going through a list of cryptids to plug into Hunt is never necessary, and tbf, feels more like a zero-effort, impulse choice. If someone’s looking for inspiration, there are lots of paths to take using the guidelines that have kind of emerged with the way the infection seems to operate in the bayou. Just taking a giant snake fable or internet creepypasta monster and pasting it in is not a good idea. That brings in all other kinds of associations with it, and draws focus away from the real story

I DO think the concept of a Golem type monster is cool though. I wish scrapbeak was actually a collection of animated junk and mutated parts instead of “civil war vet”

[granite shard]

I think the person root of scrapbeak is ultimately important tbh

mostly in the sense of the sculptor can't really create life out of nothing, everything's coming from a living being

[high stone]

Sure, it could be a different type of Spider mutation, if you want to think of it that way

[icy brook]

I really do think Hunt should stick with its more original boss monster designs, spider being the weakest as a legacy boss, and not dipping into monster tropes. In the Horrors of the Gilded Age test footage the witch boss was particularly bland, I’m glad they moved in a different direction

[high stone]

Yep, really dislike that witch

[granite shard]

honestly I love rotjaw but I consider her the weakest design wise

I think everything else around her is really great, but ultimately she's just a big gator with some cage stuff on her

[high stone]

She’s weird…just looking at her, she looks like another indication that someone is working on undead science experiments, and then reading the details of her lore is like an acid trip

[tiny plover]

But she's just baby

Just a widdle baby who lost their mom

Design? Its fine. Story, compared to any boss (and to be fair she had a whole event to reveal her stuff, but still)?
10/10 send her home

[high stone]

She’d be cooler as 3 or 4 versions of her, 1/2 her size, guarding the water around a compound

Seeing glowing blue eyes float up to you in the dark while you’re waist deep in water would be terrifying

[real dove]

I think there were cool designs out there for a lot of the bosses- the version of RJ with spines and skulls was cool. scrappy is the best, followed by assassin in terms of originality imo. spider is gross but classic, and imo butcher is just a meathead, which are cool in their own right. i do think its hard to create something "new" in this day and age

in terms of monsters

I dont mind seeing older, not related to anything creatures get "hunted"

or i would not mind

[high stone]

Assassin and spider are my favs, I think

[real dove]

i know WW is the biggest one Ive wanted, as i think they could make that one super messed up

[high stone]

Someone pointed out Scrapbeaks Evangelion angel head, can’t unsee it

[high stone]

What’s WW?

[real dove]

werewolf

sorry, so used to typing it that way

would be equally fine if not wold

wolf

[high stone]

Ohh

[real dove]

but would be worried if it was anything with antlers, wed get folks calling it a wendigo

[high stone]

Haha wendigo doesn’t even look like that

Wild

[real dove]

but a person forced to fuse with a creature would be cool to see as a boss

[high stone]

I’ll bet the WW is coming for Mammon’s Gulch, it’s too tempting for Crytek to resist

[real dove]

eh, google wendigo and nearly all photos are human deer

[high stone]

Yeah, I think that’s mostly an internet creation

The real one is like a skinny naked giant, I think?

[real dove]

im a sucker for rotted/undead deer, and still hope well see some kinda ai about that

[high stone]

If it’s personified at all

[real dove]

iirc its a skinny person

like, horrifyinly

since the lore is that they ate another person and then are doomed to always be ungry but never be able to be sated

perma hangry

[high stone]

There’s a recent movie called “The Ritual” or something, and the elk monster is well done, probably the coolest version of that one that I’ve seen, anyway

[real dove]

the god! yeah, I saw that

id love soemthing like that

im also a sucker for forgotten gods

i think the leshy is the og version of the deer head wendigo

less familiar with the monsters and beings from the EU area

[granite shard]

the ritual's great

[high stone]

I only saw the monster scenes, haha

[granite shard]

I want a werewolf but I don't want a proper wolfman bc I don't think it would work

[real dove]

imagine if you go trough one of those woods we are getting and all of a sudden trees start just breaking behind you

as something BIG comes

[granite shard]

yeah, the actual folklore is apparently based on european settlers not being prepared for the woods and stuff based on what an indigenous friend of mine told me

[real dove]

new roamer- BFUD

(big fucked up deer)

[granite shard]

but yeah I think a proper wolfman wouldn't work for hunt since there is an element of realism to stuff (like yeah the spider is insane but it's clearly all made via people) but I think they could do something interesting with someone experimenting with hellhounds and people

[real dove]

that cool. I only knew skin deep what they were about

[granite shard]

I think I've talked abt it before in here abt my idea for a werewolf boss lol

[real dove]

it's kinda true- if you eat grey matter, you're likely to get a prion disease and waste away/go crazy, esp if you cannibalize

give me a huge 2 headed deer

[high stone]

It’s a cool monster, it feels like it’s taking another step in a direction away from Hunt plot though

[real dove]

i know

well, you have someone using these bounties to refill the mines

what if you had a farmer get one and try to use it to save his land, and instead fuck up his livestock

but i like that the bosses in a way are human based

[granite shard]

I think ultimately my fear is that they're going to lean too far into fanservice

like rotjaw is very much the peak of "people wanted a gator boss" and we got a quite literal gator boss

[real dove]

glowers at the vikings

[granite shard]

yeah

[real dove]

you dont really get to see her changes wither

as she rots

with each stage

could also have someone who had a pet bear or something and did a ritual to try to save it and then got fused together

lotta options

idk

im just excited to see what we are gonna get

[granite shard]

I think the dev team behind hunt has a lot of very creative and unique visions but I'm afraid those are getting kinda overshadowed by "people want this" or "we think x would do well" directives from above lol

[real dove]

same

[granite shard]

at least with rotjaw she did have really great lore alongside her to make up for the fact that her design isn't all that creative

[icy brook]

A lot of the new weapon additions have definitely felt like fan service, minus the spear that seemed off the wall to me

[real cedar]

Idk, it's hard for a weapon to not feel like fanservice when there's only so many guns from the 1800s that can be put in the game, everything has been requested at least once

[icy brook]

I like it, it can add to niche bloat however

[granite shard]

unfortunately I feel like that's just a part of life w live service games tbh

[high stone]

That was kind of my point about her, the lore didn’t support her design and make it feel more interesting, it kind of made it more confusing, and hard to believe

[granite shard]

I'm really into the idea of them rotating ammo types and think it would be interesting if they rotated weapons as well... I did a self imposed challenge during june to only play canon queer hunters & weapons with either skins associated w queer hunters or had some gay lore in the book of weapons and it was a fun sort of thing that forced me to play w weapons I don't tend to use all that often

[granite shard]

I think the lore did tie into aspects but I do agree that they could have done more

[icy brook]

I just run sharps so I can kill people with my sharps without going to prison 🤌

[high stone]

Yeah, that fanservice thing is also why I bet they will do a werewolf, and since it’s a monster that feels a little more like it belongs in CO (with the other wolves, I guess..)

[granite shard]

I hope that if they do a werewolf it's just like

more creative than wolfman

I'd rather have a massive wolf hellhound than a wolfman (and I'm a girlie who loves wolfman werewolves. it would just take things a step too far imo)

big hellhound boss would be sick tho

[real dove]

yiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[high stone]

Iain Matthiae made that really creepy dog boss concept years ago

It was good!

[empty basin]

Yeah hellhound boss seems like a much better idea than scrapbeak with wolfhead and fur

[icy brook]

I’d rather have something totally new or original to Hunt, I still think weapons like the bomb lance and choke bombs are the most bespoke aspects of Hunt in both form and function

[flint falcon]

Guys, at Hunt Showdown, you can play with a friend, you have to pay and I'm rop 5

He hasn't released a patent yet

[real dove]

?

[eternal hazel]

When your the Prodigal Daughter but the Prodigal Son joined the lobby

[real cedar]

A small hint about the new map's story, as well as the name of the next event.

[granite shard]

Hunt showdown entering its environmentalism era

[real dove]

fire marshal boutta have a good time

[granite shard]

seems less like it's the backers using the bounties for oil stuff and more just greed fucked the land

which, mammon's gulch, makes sense

[real cedar]

Both are true at the same time I think, they probably wouldn't have said that some dark rituals happened in the trailer if they weren't going for that

[real dove]

Eh, how did greed fuck the land tho? we know rituals but me standing over my garden chanting "Grow plantos grow" doesnt do much for me

[granite shard]

"mines burrowed deep into mountains and drills dug tirelessly into the dirt as nature was torn apart"

like they just destroyed the lands and stuff

[real cedar]

Yes, that's what mines do

[granite shard]

yea

[real cedar]

but they don't cause the land to fester, which is the secondary event after all the initial greed

So it's likely they tore the land apart with greed, used it all up, and then did something worse cause they still had greed to spare

[granite shard]

I mean we'll see if the backers had anything to do with it but I'm now starting to think that it might just be like literally the greed of the mining companies that caused the area to be the new stomping ground of the sculptor

I bet there was no OSHA

also with mine stuff I'm thinking abt that one town in pennsylvania

the one with the coal mines underneath it that has been burning for like sixty years now or whatever

imagine how sick that would be as a weather effect

[brazen root]

To me, this and the map trailer make it seem like the land was drained empty of resources and then some greedy fucker engaged with some dark rituals or pact with the sculptor or something to replenish the resources but only managed to bring the corruption to mammon's gulch

Speculation tho

[real dove]

you know what would be a cool reskin of the spider?

[brazen root]

An even bigger spider?

[real dove]

if it was made up of crushed miners

would fit the area

give the butcher a cow head

[brazen root]

Spider with random mining headlamps and pickaxe heads sticking out of it lmao

[real dove]

yeah

the "fangs" are just pickaxes

[empty basin]

Maybe they find more of what they found down in Kingsnake mine, in the Mammond gulch mine's... Unless that was just those corruption/event totems that make noise when enemies are around... I can't remember if thats what the entry was talking about or not, they blew it up with dynamite I think?