lore-discussion

[real dove]

true

[deft storm]

all of these fit though

Devil's Advocate is a little funny, but he's a special Christmas treat

Beast Hunter is fucking awesome, lol

doesn't fit into another game, doesn't 'represent' an occupation, just a guy that made his own armor from leather scraps for monster killing

[real cedar]

It is partially based off old bear armor, but yeah beast hunter does fit more than I initially was thinking

[real dove]

To me, it's how they insert the new hunters in that makes or breaks them

These new pair are just so freaking bland, and on top of that (to me) dont even look good.

I don't mind some outta pocket stuff (looking at you corvids and hexbreaker) as long as they are given the reason for why they look that way.

I mean, we got a dude running around with a straw target on his back

But he's got great flavor text to make him make sense

[deft storm]

you're right, I forgot to mention the bland part. That might be the worst part

[real dove]

Like, If they had any kind of story other than, "Me like Vikings", i'd be more okay with them, hell I was on the team gimme norse hunters

but they just

they are so shallow

Sorry, dont wanna be so negative, just really let down by them

[granite shard]

I mean like

[deft storm]

I want a norse Hunter where it's just a farmer from Denmark in a little tweed vest, and he's just like "This is hell, I don't want to be here. I do it for my family."

[granite shard]

I don't think they're any more shallow than any other blood bond hunter

[real dove]

felis?

[granite shard]

felis has had lore since then

[real cedar]

Hell, half of DLCs are that shallow

[granite shard]

if we look at a blood bond hunter that has not had any added lore

[real dove]

I'm likely biased as I wanted norse hunters

and am really sad that's what I got

[granite shard]

I think their lore is fine I just think they look like 21st century viking cosplayers

and like I have no clue what a viking reenactor from the 1890s would have looked like but the guy is just straight up that dude from Vikings

[real dove]

baldur from GOW

lmao

[granite shard]

and idk I can't SUPER fault crytek since this is what every game representing vikings is doing, I just don't like it lmao

[real cedar]

I kinda like them, wish I could get a clearer picture of Sea Wolf's tattoos. I see the protection compass on his back and some runes on the bicep I want to translate.

[real dove]

Chuh

I hope someday we get a hunter inspection

for the cosplayers and just to see the work some of these guys have

[real cedar]

Even just the current roster zoom in on skins on the store page would be good

[real dove]

I wanna look at them from head to toe

closely

[worthy nova]

This is a good character design checklist actually: 1) make sure they don’t ONLY represent an occupation 2) make sure they look like they are FROM HS. 3) Don’t be bland

[real dove]

rn the zoom to just face doesnt let me look at the gunbelts and stuff

Just outta curiousity, how would y'all change deckhand to not look like he's just a deckhand?

I have never looked that close at him

he seemed to have his personality, so didnt think he looked like just a occupation. need to go look at him again lol

[deft storm]

He look mostly cool, like a good Tier 1 or 2. He has a lot of junk on him. I don't think anyone would take those glass buoys in the swamp, they'd be making too much noise.

[granite shard]

lbr we've got more than a few people making a ton of noise as they walk around

imagine the clink clank of the scrappers 😂

[real dove]

devil's advocate

dude has chains and bells

them too lol

[granite shard]

I think for me I don't mind people like the deckhand when we get a solid variety

and I don't think we're leaving variety behind. the trappers look great

but I'm not looking forward to the cageheads...

[deft storm]

I also don't think any Hunter in their right mind would go in with bare feet

[granite shard]

let him have his dogs out

[real cedar]

I really gotta know what the iron maiden guys have going for them

[real dove]

TBF, many of them dont have a right mind

[real cedar]

More demented, maybe?

[real dove]

prolly

[granite shard]

god I hope not

I was so happy to leave them behind

[deft storm]

which are the scrappers?

[granite shard]

morrigan/midian

[real dove]

michigan

missspelled it

[granite shard]

there was SO much demented pact last year I can't handle another year of it

[deft storm]

oh ok. I'm ignoring them haha

[granite shard]

like even when we got rid of the demented pact proper in DW we still had the centipede who was one step removed from the demented 😂

[deft storm]

who was the drowned Sailor guy with the skullcap?

[real cedar]

13th Mate?

[granite shard]

thirteenth mate

yeah

[deft storm]

yeah? I didn't look at him too closely, may have been cool to have a non-drowned version of him

[real dove]

the pirate?

can't have that, logically lol

tho we have dead man and living man

[granite shard]

I'd like to know more abt him tbh

like... why was he picked to come back by lynch

[real dove]

pirate or revenant?

or pirate

oh*

[granite shard]

thirteenth mate

[deft storm]

he has a distinctive face, and look with the big muttoncops though. Just find some period appropriate sailor wear and he's a pretty good sailor themed Hunter (witout all the bells and crap too)

anyway

[real cedar]

The guy was probably brought back just cause he was available. I don't think just anyone goes to the land of the dead when they die

[granite shard]

yeah I'm just so curious as to like... what happened/how/why 😂

he didn't even factor into tide of desolation at all

[tiny plover]

I think at least with the Drowned, it involves, yknow... water..

[rotund ferry]

What's with viking man having the berserk tattoo when it's not norse?

[tiny plover]

Not quite sure how Lynch ties in with that

but all the drowned died in/around water

[rotund ferry]

Did someone not research these markings properly?

[tiny plover]

where?

[tiny plover]

ah

Uh, cuz its cool and they can sneak it in as a small detail..?

[rotund ferry]

😭

Literally not even norse, def a berserk fan or something.

[tiny plover]

That only a manic hunt fan, as we all teeter the line of The Puzzle Mafia, would notice...

lmao

[tiny plover]

https://www.cbr.com/brand-of-sacrifice-berserk-explained/#:~:text=There is no concrete proof,the seinen anime Vinland Saga.

Here, an article on the mark itself

[rotund ferry]

I'm aware, big berserk fan, but Kentaro literally came up with it.

😭

[tiny plover]

Yeah, so whats the problem? Santa clause isnt real but he's in the game too

[rotund ferry]

berserk is canon in the hunt universe now.

this is huge.

[tiny plover]

Its an ohmage, and a small one at that. Berserk is an ohmage to medivial dark fantasy itself.

Demon Sword confirmed for august

[rotund ferry]

Where's my dragon slayer sword crytek?

[tiny plover]

Pog

Thank you, couldnt remember the name

[rotund ferry]

🙏

[real cedar]

It could be a combination rune, upside down Othala and Tiwaz

[rotund ferry]

Maybe but it was never used by the norse.

[tiny plover]

Neither were guns

yet here we are

lol

[real cedar]

There was a similar combo rune on Frau Perchta that I couldn't decipher

[tiny plover]

Fuck it Im vibing with the vikings + revolver aesthetic the more I look at it

[rotund ferry]

It's a big misconception spanning years that the symbol came from the norse when it was created by Kentaro. I'm not saying I'm against it at all, just funny.

[tiny plover]

Even if they spruce them up a lil in strange ways, That in of itself is cool

[real cedar]

with the throwing spear added I really hope someone has fun with a full caveman loadout. Cain, bow, hermit stick, throwing spear

[tiny plover]

I've been debating in my head, what are we gonna see more of in the comming weeks.

Team Cave Man or Team Krag

And Lord am I praying for team cave man

lmao

[rotund ferry]

Both.

[real dove]

Cain

we have cave man

Cain, then give him that stick

the BBat ones

Bam. Caveman

[tiny plover]

So you're saying we're going to be seeing more cains running around erratically... Joy..

At least I get to do my favorite thing in Hunt: Hyper Analyze Cain Behavior and call them a weirdo for every lil strange play I notice lol

No one wants to be killed by a guy yelling over voip "YOU'RE WEIRD" BLAM

[amber harbor]

This was a thing? Didnt they want to keep it local to Louisiana at first?

[real cedar]

I've got an advanced lore question:
Did Hunters have Dark Sight before Lynch's inoculation? The original serum that was unsafe for women seems to have been described in Daniel Glanton's journal, but for the rest of his story he makes no mention of gaining the Sight, which seems like a huge thing he would've noticed. Further, the last part of the Meathead lore has Huff saying that the latest serum is the very thing that grants the Sight, as if the old one didn't.
Is there any older mention of dark sight (pre late 1894) that disproves this?

[warm quartz]

Who says they didn't have Lynch inoculation before Louisiana incident?

[real cedar]

Meathead lore suggests it's a new invention, as women were not allowed into the AHA for decades

[upbeat kiln]

I would also say that would be the case. Lynch's serum improved on the old one, which was concocted through some weird mix of a repeated ritual of words as well as a bitter mixture of herbs that tasted like nails. (Which might be a reference to blood)

[upbeat kiln]

Hunt was supposed to be divided into chapters. First one in Louisiana. Another one in the Nordic countries. One in the middle east and one in Asia.

[granite shard]

I hope they explore more of the middle east at some point, the sinners have so much interesting potential

[upbeat kiln]

Yeah I love the Sinners

[granite shard]

when I reread the serpent moon story (and its companion pieces) a couple of months ago I was struck by how cool I think the viper is and the sheer story potential abt the sinners

I hope the viper comes back into the story at some point bc I think they're super neat, even if they're unobtainable now

(I just love the character archetype of being raised to be a weapon and eventually making a stand and choosing to live for yourself)

[warm quartz]

No?

[granite shard]

?

[warm quartz]

Viper just wants Delara or what's her name to live

[granite shard]

that was it at first

their character arc is that they chose to work with chary because Delara was dying of old age and Chary said that he'd be able to do something to keep her alive if they killed Kevin. They agreed and then when the whole "oh boy this is a child and also chary's killing the move" thing happened and the viper was like "oh wait hm" and then the whole thing ended with them choosing to follow their own path

also with their final skin--

[warm quartz]

🤔

I got the impression that assassin are like hunters that you can order by catalogue

Viper might have betrayed Chary, but he still is an assassin

Or was it Sinners?

[granite shard]

they*

[warm quartz]

Yes

Viper didn't have no "ASSASSIN AND TEMPLARS ARE WRONG, I MUST TAKE APPLE OF EDEN FOR MYSELF TO SAVE THE EARTH", he just realised that Chary is pulling some bullshit and must be stopped

[granite shard]

but with "they now follow their own whim" to me screams that they're now for the first time doing what they want to and leaving behind the sinners

bc prior to that they had just been doing what either they were told to, or what they were hired to do

[warm quartz]

Looks like Chary was the one who betrayed

Sinners bought Viper as a child, trained him and released him into the wild

They even offered him money and favor to go help Chary

Doesn't look like "JUST FOLLOW THE AGENDA"

Sinners seem to be cool

Making child-soldiers and releasing them into the wild

Saving the enviroment

[granite shard]

I mean like regardless, their story starts with them being sold into becoming an assassin at age 7 and them being forced to kill people and whatnot, and ends with them choosing to do stuff on their own volition

like nothing in the story implies that they had a lot of agency until they were desperate to save delara

[warm quartz]

They just don't want to work for Chary because he's a douche who cooks hunters

[warm quartz]

Except he only went to Louisiana after a promise of reviving Delara

[granite shard]

yes

when they were desperate to save delara

[warm quartz]

I get the vibe that sinners aren't like some cult or amalgamation of random monster hunters

I get the vibe of witcher schools from Sapkowski novels

Thought it might be that Viper wasn't even a hunter before going to Louisiana

Just an assassin

Who was contracted by sinners

[tiny plover]

Thats the part of the lore thats fun when its hinted at. Yes Louisiana is bad, and has 3 Giant Deadzones growing, but thats just One Event.
Supernatural shit happens Everywhere, hence the global demographic of the hunters in fucking Louisiana of all places

Rural china always seemed like a great fit for hunt to me. Think of the Rice paddy fights... it'd be sick

[granite shard]

yeah there's a lot of potential for stuff in the hunt world w all of the supernatural shit happening

[tiny plover]

Other parts in early lore talk about hunters tailing a Thunderbird cross country if Im not mistaken

I think one of the salter boys..?

[warm quartz]

Yes

[tiny plover]

The one that didnt go completely batshit immediately

[warm quartz]

Brother of the mad guy's

[tiny plover]

mm, pig dude and that skitzo that pinned an old lady to a tree

Ahh old lore, such fun.

[upbeat kiln]

That would be William. He is a jolly fella

[tiny plover]

I forget if he was mentioned past the C&K pieces. Did he end up losing his mind like his brothers, or is he another "faded into the annals of history" beats

Where its kinda left in the air

Wait fuck Is the Butcher's Cleaver the fucking Pig Salter's Brother

or just some OTHER weirdo really into swine??

[granite shard]

different person yeah

I know alpaca's eternally bummed that he's someone else

[tiny plover]

Great minds I guess....

I mean they're both dead cannonically at this point in the timeline so.. eh?

[tiny plover]

Objectivly a terrible choice to not just make them the same guy

but moot in the present unfortunatly 😦

[granite shard]

eh, I think butcher's cleaver already had enough going on with him that I can see why he's a totally different person

[warm quartz]

William's brother isn't a mad guy

William himself only went mad because he was infected

[tiny plover]

Same diff, thats what happens to everyone

Only diffrence is hunter's have the juice to not rot. At least on the outside...

[warm quartz]

You WILL become a pig themed madman!

[tiny plover]

NOOO, IM A FISH PERSON

I LIKE WATER AND DREADGE-CORE

YOU CANT

*animorphes onto all fours into a boar

[warm quartz]

OwO

[real dove]

Hallo yes I wish butcher had been young rolfe

Who owned the butchers original location

And went mad

Would have been the perfect callback

But alas

Is not

Sadge

[deft storm]

JFC

[rotund ferry]

Truly peak.

[deft storm]

peak good or peak stupid

[rotund ferry]

Depends if I get a dragon slayer sword.

[deft storm]

is that good or stupid?

[rotund ferry]

It'd be fun.

[deft storm]

There's gotta be a law someone has named (like Moore's law) that says something like "An anime biased mind will trend back toward anime sensibilities on any project on a long enough timeline"

it's ok it's ok we've still got a Papa Roach reference on a weapon skin

a little stupid fun is alright

[warped finch]

Do we know what nationality Plague Doctor is? He has mentions of fighting an outbreak of the Black Plague abroad

[real cedar]

Outside of the famous Black Death of the 1300s, there were smaller plagues up until 1660s, but by the 18th century the plague was largely removed from Europe. Instead, from 1700-1840s, the plague was more often seen in the Ottoman Empire and North Africa, with dozens of smaller epidemics. The most recent pandemic of bubonic plague happened in China and India in 1855, that's the most likely place Plague Doctor and the Corvids could have encountered what could be called an outbreak in their lifetime, though they'd have to be hunting in their 60s.
However, with the Corvids being named Emma Davies and Maxwell Creed and one of their legendary skins referencing a sheriff, all signs point to the UK being their country of origin, along with Plague Doctor, as he says "our" home.
So it would seem the black plague they're talking about is a fictional outbreak, or such a minor one as to not be historically noteworthy.

A different reading of the line "you didn't think there was anything to the rumors, that nothing could possibly pose more horror than the Black Death outbreak in our home." could be that they were students of history, reading of the horrors of the 1665 London plague. Brood's bio "She sacrificed her morals dissecting the Bubonic heart of infection, losing herself in the madness and blight" could be a hint that the Corvids intentionally infected people with the bubonic plague under controlled conditions just to study it.

[warped finch]

Awesome, thank you for that!

[tiny plover]

Yeah, I always figured the Plague Doctor, Scrap Beak aside of course, is a fun reference to SCP-049. Not directly, a la Berserk tattoo reference, but ohmage lite.

Plague doctor with a supernatural twist. Just not "enigmatic eldritch horror lad."

More... "Ze Healing is not as rewarding as ze Hurtzing" type beat.

[warped finch]

Is there any information as to when exactly Huff got his throat slit? Like the year and month?

[noble scarab]

August 1895ish? Maybe late July

[warped finch]

Alrighty, thank you

[granite shard]

I think it's somewhere in the may-august window. I'd say probs closer to may but shrug emoji. some theorize that P Jones is his son so that would put it earlier, but if P Jones is huff then it'd put it closer to august

[real cedar]

The last correspondence of Jones is dated August 9th, so some point after that. I'm of a strong opinion that P Jones is Huff, as the signage frequently changes based on the level of familiarity the writer has with the subject, best seen in it evolving with Victor Caldwell

[granite shard]

I would prefer it to be his son due to the fact that it would make the timeline cleaner and give more spacing for chary's rise to prominence and whatnot

[warped finch]

Do we know when Plague Doctor arrived in the bayou?

[granite shard]

bc if he dies in august, that's well after the events of tide of shadows, not to mention the whole moon trilogy lol

nope

[high stone]

I think it is most likely that because Plague Doctors are neat looking and have become so ubiquitous in geeky media culture, it became a frequent request for a Hunt character skin

Just an homage to the look of medieval plague docs

[tiny plover]

Fair enough. Especially what this the whole Infection side of the Buyou.

Though other than historical reference and the bird motif, why a plague doctor? As discussed above the last few days, its not a TERRIBLE fit, but certainly an odd one. Time period especially.

And ok, yes they JUST added vikings. But those dudes are basically cosplayers living the lie. The plague doctors? Thats a bit more... off.

Just curious where the desicion to go with a plague doctor was on, inspirations and all that. Im not one of these dorks thats all "mai hisorical accuracy." Sure its appriciated where it is, but 1-1 is Limiting af

[granite shard]

I mean the new ones are bc the original one is event locked and never coming back

[tiny plover]

yeah, but the og inspiration

[granite shard]

so the devs gave a way for players to still have that aesthetic since they've been asking for it

[tiny plover]

Though I suppose that extends to scrapbeak and landing on the bird thing

[granite shard]

original one is bc all of the scrapbeak stuff was crow themed and plague doctors are peak bird

[tiny plover]

Suppose thats an easy enough line to draw, what with crows being so prominent since day one

[granite shard]

scp-049 is pretty iconic but I doubt that it played any large inspirational role in the design of hunt's plague doc

[tiny plover]

Just overthinkin it

[tiny plover]

Its the unknowable pestilance parts that has me thinking that way. Though I suppose by Nature, any plague doctor would feel that way

For as many quacks trying to make a quick buck, there were Plague Docs who genuinlly wanted to help, and just couldnt.

It would drive anyone crazy

[granite shard]

I mean also what's the corruption in the bayou if not an unknowable pestilance

[tiny plover]

Exactly

Its a great connection

I was just limiting my thinking to refrence instead of concept

Think it was all the Beserk talk yesterday lol

[high stone]

I like the original Hunt Plague Doctor a lot, I think the artists did an excellent job of taking the parts of a look that people associate with medieval plague doctors and translating it into a Gilded Age lovecraft/Stoker style character that looks very much like someone who is knowledgeable about the modern (1895) sciences of germ theory and infection but also firmly tied to some occult, or esoteric alchemical beliefs (like his head in a jar….it’s probably there for a lot more than decoration). This is a perfect fit for Hunt, a game in 1895, a time when science and spiritual beliefs conflict, but the line is often blurry. He may have some herbs associated with occult ritual in his mask, who knows! Hunt smells really bad, so he has that covered, at least.

The new plague docs have a certain dorky cheese to their style, too much renaissance fair, and meaningless accessories

[real cedar]

I hope we see more of that gilded age science-magic blend in future lore. Some of the old stuff hits just right when you start looking deeper into it. Like the original serum that was made with herbs? One of the key ingredients is datura, famous for causing religious/occult hallucinations. Yet it gets blended into this hard science syringe and injected, and you end up with dark sight. It's a really solid connection.

[high stone]

Oh shit! I missed that

Ill have to scan all everything again

[real cedar]

Yeah, devil's snare is a less common name for jimsonweed

[high stone]

Ah cool, i want to look up more on that

[granite shard]

oleander being burned to weaken chary I thought was neat

[high stone]

I think that’s why I always think of Stoker’s Dracula and Lovecraft with Hunt…all three have determined scientists and researchers covered in cold sweat, making horrifying, dangerous discoveries (and all the nerdy details about tools and equipment are important in the stories!) I remember hearing somewhere that the Hunt team doesn’t like Lovecraft, haha….which is uh, misguided I would say.

[granite shard]

the lovecraft distaste is probably due to him being like horribly racist even for the time lol

there's been a lot of more recent discussion abt him and how much we can separate the art from the artist with his stuff

so I'd imagine that's where that comes from

[high stone]

Maybe, yeah

He really deserves more of an “Oh, grandpa!!” eyeroll than anything

[real cedar]

Lovecraft is just outside the scope of Hunt, I'd say. There's some thematic overlap, but it's the type of horror/science fiction that marked the end days of gothic horror. To make something like Hunt, you'd want to avoid leaning into that, and look elsewhere for inspiration.

[high stone]

(Also seems like he had some kind of anxiety disorder, like agoraphobia, so that may play a big part in all his fears)

[high stone]

I don’t think I understand

Lovecrafts stuff is definitely mostly 1920-30s era feeling, though

[real cedar]

That's exactly why, it's a quarter century apart from the Hunt setting, and half a country's distance away. Just as you don't necessarily want to be inspired by Stephen King for a story set in the 1940s Nevada desert, him being a 1970s new england writer, you don't want too much perspective of a 1920s new england writer on an 1890s southern story.

Naturally it's going to seep in anyway because his effect on horror was so monumental. The sculptor certainly hits lovecraftian notes in what little description we get of it

[worthy nova]

Can I ask which stories from lovecraft y’all have read?

[granite shard]

I'm not super against lovecraft stuff but I do understand why people would have reservations abt utilizing his stuff too heavily bc while there is part of a "okay old man, I'm gonna ignore that" aspect to things, I think it is important to look into how the beliefs he had could have impacted what he wrote, and then verify that you're not then integrating things that could have stemmed from hateful beliefs into what you're writing

I'm not a big lovecraft-head so I can't really speak with any certainty abt what he wrote and how his beliefs impacted it, but I think that would probably be why the devs have wanted to stay away from his stuff

[high stone]

Noo, most of his stories aren’t definitely dependent on the perspective of someone in the 30s. They have about as much scientific detail as Dracula, from the 1890s, and besides automobiles and some other small details, you wouldn’t even know what date they take place

Love craft DOES have parts of stories that take place in the deep south, too, even in Louisiana

The Cthulhu Cult stories start in New Orleans!

[rugged harbor]

I’ve been wanting a hunter based off of a conductor or train driver for so long

[granite shard]

you? the train lady wants a train conductor hunter? I'm so surprised that sounds out of character

😂 💖

[rugged harbor]

Shocking I know

I’m really surprised they didn’t add one during Desolations Wake cause yknow, Trains were kind of a big part of that event

[granite shard]

yeah

[rugged harbor]

We got a conductors whistle and a pocket watch charm already

And there’s so many weapon skins you can make with railroad equipment like railroad spikes?

[real cedar]

It's not really about the factual details, but the changing perspective of the people and the underlying inspiration that they draw upon. The things that people fear change over time and get reflected in what is popular in their age. For instance, Frankenstein doesn't hit the same today cause the taboo of bringing the dead back to life and playing god has been beaten to death, reanimated, then beaten down again. But you'd absolutely want to take inspiration from it for a story set in that age.

[rugged harbor]

The Springfield and Sparks were used in real life for buffalo hunting ON TRAINS

[high stone]

(If i’m understanding you) I’m really not even sure why you’re arguing it, as if it would matter enough??….of course an authors background can affect tastes, but it’s a naive assumption that an author can’t recognize and change their own voice enough to alter it for a given time and place (and do adequate research.)

The writers in Germany and elsewhere are pretty far removed from 1890 deep south USA…

Sorry, anyway, I’m not trying to hijack the channel I swear

[real cedar]

With the goal being try to set an authentic tone for the time period and especially trying to be gothic horror rather than cosmic, it makes sense to curate your inspiration. I'm mainly building the theory off the mention that they dislike Lovecraft. If I was told they love his stuff, I could just as easily believe it cause the parallels are aplenty.

An author can change their own voice for a given time period, but the background of the creator's life will still seep through, cause it's still meant for an audience of the current time period. Like the new Vikings, that's a very 2020s artistic idea. In the same way, Lovecraft's fears and prejudices certainly seeped through into his work.

[high stone]

Haha the Vikings are a whole different problem, probably more to do with cynical videogame marketing to teenagers than anything else. I’m just thinking of the original concept of Hunt, and how it was translated into the game art in like 2018-19. It’s very close to Lovecraft, as a supernatural/sci fi horror story in a Southern Gothic setting.

[real cedar]

It definitely seems close in many ways, even more detailed stuff later like the meathead story could be said to be inspired by The Dunwich Horror.
I mainly wonder if it was intentional or just a byproduct of his far reaching influence. Even better, what sorts of other writers actually DID have an intentional impact on the flavor of Hunt?

[high stone]

Not sure! Dunwich Horror is like 100x cooler than the meathead story…and it has a Nitro in it! Haha

“Blasted Heath”, the Night Acolytes gun is a reference to the phrase in “The Colour Out of Space” as well

epistolary style writing, like the earlier Lore, definitely feels like the way Dracula is written. I think the “flavor” of the game comes from a lot of the artwork Artem Shumnik was doing for it, inspired by real creepy places, and thinking about what “feels” right for horrors in the swamp

[high stone]

I just randomly saw that they issued special Schofields to the railway security guys back then too!

They could have a special Scottfield skin

[real cedar]

Very possible, they do love scottfield skins

[rugged harbor]

I would love that the scottfield is my favorite pistol in hunt too aaaaaah

[high stone]

Garth Marenghi prolly a huge influence on Hunt, too

[tiny plover]

To their credit, while I think the first Doc is a stronger design, ever been to a ren fair? 80% of the plague doc cosplays ive seen is the Ren Vibe. That's the other half of the plague doc aesthetic in people's mind's. Less utilitarian, more "englightment"

Huuuge airquotes on that, and frankly I dont think people see the irony in a fancy plague doctor, cosplay or otherwise, regardless of how close the time periods are to one another, considering the whole infamous history of Snake Oil Salesmen

[tiny plover]

Nearly ate one of those fuckers off the side of the road before my friend stopped me..

You're telling me it could have given me darksight? Last time I avoid ego death, hurumph.

[high stone]

Yeah but don’t include those types of plague doc in this game

[grave dagger]

Polar seltzer is canonically older than the lousiana incident 👍

[spiral mica]

does anyone else think Robert Hogen aka Buckshot might be the man that the Eulogy skin for slate mentions?

[tiny plover]

Dude the Man the Eulogy skin was either his ex or one the of crazy bois who broke the curse of two or whatever

Buckshot is his adoptive son at best.

[granite shard]

Yeah eulogy is his ex and is dead, buckshot canonically sees him as an adoptive dad and also isn’t dead

[warm quartz]

Do you think legendary hunters bring their own spoons or just use default spoons

The Moorhound probably brings his own, he's a outdoors type of guy

[stuck thicket]

Scrapbeak hunters have their own plates

[warm quartz]

Their own as in obviosly stolen

[stuck thicket]

Finders keepers losers weepers ig

[warm quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[prisma flare]

is there any refrences for monroe's number 317

[warm quartz]

Well we know he got his shotgun off the prison's warden

Or was it asylum warden?

Do asylums have wardens?

[high stone]

Maybe if the ward is for the “criminally insane” then they have a warden and security? I don’t know either

[real cedar]

Dunno if asylums have wardens in general but this one did, by Monroe's steam description.

[eternal hazel]

So what we do is to kill these bounty guys and get something, what did we just get and what does it do (after escaping)

[real cedar]

It's some kind of physical token of the monster itself, and it gets sold off to mysterious people for some unknown purpose that only just started getting hinted at in the recent event. It seems they can be used for occult shit, as Mr. Chary used "the essence extracted of several bounties" during his experiment in transforming Ochenkov's Widow.

[eternal hazel]

[high stone]

It’s still kind of uhh….TBD on the ol’ office whiteboard

One day

[torpid pecan]

So who and why did they try to steal the moon?

[real dove]

Chary- not stealing it, but rather trying to control it (and the sculptor)

If you find time (and desire), the Pinned lore compendium has all the stuff. (Thanks Rai!) there are also plenty of youtube vids out there. and we love to loredump too

[torpid pecan]

Reading walls of text gets tedious

Why I dont really read written lore for Gachas

[granite shard]

There’s compilations of event lore on YouTube that are narrated

[torpid pecan]

So Sculptor is an evil big bad guy?

[brazen root]

potentially evil but nobody really knows, his whole corruption thing with the zombies and monsters sure gets tedious though

[real dove]

yes. Not wholly sure what it is, but overarching evil entity, yes

[torpid pecan]

Possibly the Devil?

[granite shard]

No

The sculptor is the sculptor

[torpid pecan]

Separate entity?

[brazen root]

i mean yes

possibly the devil

i think the in-universe christians speculate that

[real cedar]

As far as intention/evil goes, the sculptor is almost cancerous, seeming to spread without much of a goal. There has been speculation that some bosses were created specifically to help in that effect. The spider either builds more corruption-spreading hives, or regulates other monsters that go astray. The assassin is seemingly a defense mechanism against hunters, made specifically to hunt them back. The rest is just errant monsters that the sculptor liked enough to replicate, either being created by the spreading corruption/infection or by happenstance.
That's the one big hint towards intelligence and intention that we get. It seems to enjoy the stories of the people and things that get caught up in its hunting grounds. Statues of events in these people's lives are created in the sculptor's domain, the land of the dead.

[torpid pecan]

So who are the Legendary Hunters?

Psychos who refuse to retire?

[real dove]

they are higher skilled /experienced hunters. We're about to have some really big changes in that department, but for now, they're akin to the elite

or have more personality that the tiered hunters

[real cedar]

They're basically all psychos, yeah. All it takes is one carriage ride and they could never have to see another monster again, but instead they face hell and kill each other for money, glory, duty, thrills, etc.

[real dove]

tho- the serum does kinda force them into needing to kill

if i remember a post somewhere correctly

or closing a rift/clue

sounded like it acts as a drug, and they can't turn away anymore

[torpid pecan]

So normal hunters are less powerful but not addicted to the serum?

[real dove]

MMM not really, they just aren't as skilled really?

[real cedar]

every hunter either gets the serum or is naturally resistant to the corruption. Normal hunters just don't have the reputation

[real dove]

I'm not doing a good job of explaining

yeah

[real cedar]

though i suppose even the resistant ones get the serum cause it grants dark sight

[granite shard]

usually the legendary hunters have a reason to stick around killing people in the bayou. some of them just like killing, others are after a more specific goal

they manage to stay around to become legends bc they're just more competent at what they're doing than the normal guys

[real dove]

or were legends already

To me the bloodlust i remember more explained why hunters (leg or tiered) stick around. the hunt is a drug of sorts?

but yeah, the dif between Legendary and Recruits (until change) is reputation and skill/items

[real cedar]

If walls of text aren't your thing, try checking out HazmatFTW on youtube, he does video breakdowns of the lore. It's a great introduction to the basics.

[torpid pecan]

thanks

[green pollen]

Bro that sounds like a rad af role. I’m pretty much god and I get to make and replicate monsters? Cool as shit

[torpid pecan]

Whats the lore reason for hunters being able to retire after a handful of runs? Monster bounties are worth thousands of dollars?

[real cedar]

There's nothing specifically in the lore that really references retirement, but it really just comes down to "yeah I've had enough, see ya suckers"
Truly they're the smartest Hunters in the game. Though maybe they retire from Louisiana and find work hunting in other branches of the Association, ones that aren't as insane.

[torpid pecan]

Maybe killing a monster is worth like 2-3 grand?

Lotta money for 1895

[real cedar]

Definitely. Over the course of a hunter's lifetime they make a couple grand even when split in trios

Even more if they're solo

[torpid pecan]

So yeah, retiring to start a farm is probably smartest hunter alive

[real dove]

The smartest one is the dude who met the Assassin and went "nope!" And left

[real cedar]

"You want me to take some mystery drug and swear an oath to a secret cabal of hunters? Hell no!"
And he went on to have a long and happy life

[real dove]

He went on a hunt and got some bugs inside him and went naw

That ain't cool

And fled back to... Possibly where the new map it

That could be a really funny follow up

Assassin just pops up in dudes house

[torpid pecan]

How does "cheat death" even work?

The hunters have a Necromancer on speed dial?

[granite shard]

It’s not really been seen happening in lore

The gar mentions that maybe she’ll cheat death at the end of tide of shadows, but as of tide of desolation she’s in the land of the dead

[torpid pecan]

Ah so canonically the hunts where a hunter dies but comes back are not canon?

Aka didnt happen

[real cedar]

It's one of the many abstractions between the gameplay and the story, just like seeing two of the same legendary hunters in the same map.
Bringing someone back from being truly dead is possible, but it's more involved than a trait.

[torpid pecan]

Is Dead Man a monicker for hunters?

Since they can die permanently

[real cedar]

more of just a phrase used for their sense of fatalism, the same way matches end with 'you live to die another day'.

[torpid pecan]

Ah, grave humour, same happens in the army irl

[real cedar]

🤔 now that I think on it, death cheat could be an instant wellspring, couldn't it? Soul survivor's lore has it that damned souls fight to take the wellspring and cheat death. Maybe that trait is just a get out of jail free card kinda thing, no fighting for the wellspring needed.

[raw gust]

Wasn't it part of the lore that hunter's souls get BTFO on death?

[noble scarab]

Usually dead hunters end up in the land of the dead, similar to the drowned

They may or may not merge with the surrounding nightmare landscape or be eaten by whatever monsters live there

Old lore pre land of the dead stated that hunters lost a part of their soul as a result of the inoculation, thus anchoring them in the otherworld, which has since been stated the be the land of the dead

[sterile skiff]

Just one question

What exactly is down in Kingsnake Mine?

Cause I heard it was how you got to the Land Of The Dead, but I just would like some clarification

[granite shard]

two separate things happened there

so the first is the "creature" in kingsnake mine-- that's Ochenkov's Widow

the second is the crack-- that's The Graven Path and was a pathway into the land of the dead that is now sealed

[high stone]

Yes, Chary has his orthodontics office down there

[warm quartz]

@granite shardSo anyhow

Who gave you information about Witch Hunter's sexual orientation?

[granite shard]

I asked Violet, who asked the writer behind the mako entries

As I said before

[warm quartz]

😒

You were supposed to say Violet

And I would all "haha but violet doesnt work at crytek"

And send something along the lines of

https://tenor.com/view/madarame-genshiken-glint-glasses-shining-glasses-gif-20682122

[granite shard]

Wow, that’s such a funny joke, I’m so sorry I ruined it. I love joking about people’s employment statuses

[warm quartz]

Probably not anime, but something like that

I know I'm hilarious

Sometimes I think I might be TOO much

[warm quartz]

No that would be about your infarmation being incorrect

Because it wasn't from someone who works at crytek

[visual finch]

[sterile skiff]

Ah, I see

Ty for the clarification

I think this game has some awesome lore

And i only know so much about it myself

And I know that the music ties into the lore, and I knew that there was stuff down in Kingsnake Mine

So, that's why I asked

[mental veldt]

Does Hawkshaw Jack have any other skins than "Jury" for scottfield swift?

[night cliff]

I think he has one for the winfield marksman, can‘t remember the name sadly

[rugged iron]

Dark Insight - Winnie aperture @mental veldt

[mental veldt]

Thanks

[raven hound]

Has "the infected" made it into any lore entries? I like the idea of a hunter slowly losing his mind/control of his body. Could make for some interesting lore entires I'd think

[granite shard]

Nope

[raven hound]

Too bad lol, cool legendary hunter anyway. He's definitely one of my favorites

[real dove]

Agreed, would really love to see more about him

[high stone]

He’s a good one, I like almost everything about him except his “Deadpool dislocated wrist” menu animation

[warm quartz]

Is Union Suit based on someone?

[rugged iron]

an old guy in longjohns?

[real dove]

Yeah. Not that I know of.

[polar thistle]

oh really? I need braces, i'll check it out.

[high stone]

I’m not sure I would…see Mary Ochenkov’s results…

[sterile hedge]

Does anyone know what relation if any does the butcher have to meatheads?

[rigid sky]

I don't know why but he reminds me of the protagonist of "They Call Me Trinity"

The longjohns and the overall scruffy look

[amber harbor]

Check out William Salter, although I don t think he was a full hunter, just a sorry soul in the bayou

[warm quartz]

I thought he was Trinity too, but Suit is a singer

And doesn't really look like him

[rigid sky]

Indeed, other than the clothing it doesn't resemble Terence Hill

We need to dig deeper

[real cedar]

The butcher was created from a taxidermized Meathead body, it's sort of a Frankenstein situation.

[warm quartz]

Some guy got it from prestige

[terse jay]

Holy shit

That’s a nice fucking Sparks.

[quiet storm]

Wow, I don't even use snipers but this is beautiful.

[warm quartz]

Personally I hate the use of drapes on gun

[pastel steppe]

@warm quartz Did that sparks just come out??

[real dove]

it's not out yet. It's a bug

Likely coming out soon, but for some reason was pulled off the most recent update

[pastel steppe]

Dang, would love to have that skin.

[granite shard]

it'll likely be coming in august

maybe sooner, but the engine launch at the latest

[pastel steppe]

Could it come out within the coming as a BB skin like Death's levy and hermit base at skin?

Baseball bat*

[granite shard]

yeah most likely it's going to be coming out as a BB skin

[real cedar]

The name and gold-black style makes me think it's going to be related to the Statesman and his type of people. Hopefully that's right, I want to hear a lot more about them.

[granite shard]

I've seen people guessing it's a streamer skin for vombuz

I guess his community is called the council?

I'm hoping that if there's lore in the next event it keeps up the stuff w the backers since they still seem key

[real cedar]

Oh that makes a lot of sense, Vombuz does love his sparks sniper and the colors fit

[warm quartz]

Most likely next twitch drop

Since Mexican twitch drop guy is in the game too

[real dove]

unlikely since he was BB

could be, but doubtful

going off the twitch promos, probably the same thing they did last time, with a new charm or something

[granite shard]

yeah I'd be surprised if he's a twitch drop. more likely is that he's a BB hunter but something was bugged so they had to pull him from the release last minute

[real cedar]

I've been doing some research and come across a weird question. Is Lynch's blood in the newest inoculation that became widespread, or is the Trueshot story about an inoculation that she gave herself and wasn't shared?
"eager anticipation for the improved concoction - one which flowed from a willing sacrifice, and one which held her very own blood."
"Lynch brewed her finest inoculation yet– a toxin for herself that you will be powerless against"

"Finch's blood was strong enough to open the Land of the Dead," Worm Bite continued. "What do you think Lynch could do to us, with all her design flowing in our veins?"

[granite shard]

I didn't originally take the second sentence as lynch's blood flowing through the serum initially, but maybe?

(worm bite's second sentence, for clarity)

I feel like it's not in the serum mainly due to lynch being MIA for however many months at this point and them still bringing new hunters into the fray

[real cedar]

Yeah, I figured it was just about her literal design since she made the inoculation, but the mechanics involved make me double take. Why would an inoculation only made for herself need her blood as an ingredient? The blood is going right back in her veins

The way Collins writes just makes it all so hazy and confusing

[granite shard]

yeah. I love having the sort of fictionalized accounts as a comparison for things but it's sometimes frustrating when trying to piece together what actually is going on

[real cedar]

Looking closer at all the pieces, I think the inoculation she took was part of the transformation to toss her (remaining) humanity aside, how she can't exist outside of the corruption anymore as Drowned Kid said.

[real dove]

#lynchasfutureboss2k24

[real cedar]

I'd love for her to become a future boss cause that shows she failed completely. She couldn't become like the sculptor as she wanted, instead she gets put in the soul recycler.

[granite shard]

tbh in that lens it makes me almost doubt that we'll see her like that

like that would be really interesting but like even if she does lose herself completely and gain all that power, would we even see it in game? it feels like something that the hunters would fight in lore in an event and stamp out

[real cedar]

Yeah, chances are she becomes something like a Chary but having her get fought down in an event and 'defeated' in a sense only for the sculptor to pick her up at her "weakest" to become a boss would be a fun story.

[granite shard]

yeah, I get what you mean with that but idk I think the most satisfying boss lynch sort of fight for me would take place in a pve game where we play out the story and not like. a reflection of it through the sculptor's hands yk

but we're never getting a pve game so the sculptor thing is the best option we'd get lol

[warm quartz]

What does it say?

[real cedar]

First one is a two-parter on each side of the scope. “Omnes Una Manet Nox” and “ Et Calcanda semel via lethi”, together meaning “One night waits for us all and the path of death is to be tread only once.”. A quote from the Roman poet Horace.
The second is a very stylized script detailing the patent of the LeMat "Sgst Le Mat Btt s-g-d-g Paris", the last part meaning "Breveté sans garantie du gouvernement", translated to "Patented without guarantee of government", along with the name of the city it was manufactured in. While the LeMat was invented in New Orleans, it had to be built in France and smuggled into the country during the Civil War.

[tiny plover]

I recall hearing someone mention that the woman who's eye was gouged out in the Trueshot story was Marshal Brewer, though I think its written as the other eye

Though I always assumed Lynch's batch was the spiked one she gaves to others. Long term control/influence type beat

[real cedar]

I feel like I'm missing something with that story cause I didn't read about any eye gouging, just the pistol being pointed at it, but a couple people have claimed it happened.
It also seems weird to have three extra women marshals that aren't her when Brewer was the first for Louisiana. Perhaps that's part of the fictional aspect of Collins' work?

[torpid pecan]

Why does hunt showdown use reversed cross a lot?

[warm quartz]

Because two crosses makes "H" which stands for "Hunt"

[torpid pecan]

No, its used alone sometimes

I remember vaguely a loading screen with a red reversed cross

[glass mirage]

because saint peters cross is popular in demonic imaginary

and it fits the setting

[real dove]

We have several hunters/ex church folks who think see the blight is hellish in nature- also pop evil eymbol

symbol

[torpid pecan]

Demons must be hella weak if they go down with normal weapons

[glass mirage]

Its funny because its a christian symbol for a long time but them some silly satanists thought that if they invert the normal cross its surely fit for their purpose

[torpid pecan]

So we have it confirmed that the Sculptor isn't Satan, correct?

[glass mirage]

It would be silly

[torpid pecan]

So what's Sculptor's aim to corrupt a backwater state in America?

[icy brook]

We don’t really know what its goal is, it’s probable the entity knows it can get a foothold in a rural area with already occurring supernatural loci, and expand its agenda from there

[torpid pecan]

Spread seems to be a goal, Hive Hosts spread it by insects

The broken back lady with a hive in her torso

So anyone who isn't immune would turn

Hunters can resist it through genetics (gifted ones) or the ones who took the magic serynge

[rotund ferry]

Afaik all of the sculptors goals are just speculation, no one truly knows what the ultimate goal is, if there even is one.

[granite shard]

yeah there's never been any sort of confirmation of the sculptor's plans

[torpid pecan]

Why do Hunters treat eachother as shoot on sight?

You would think they could cooperate more

[rotund ferry]

Well there's pacts and groups that often fight for different goals or just straight up greed.

Like the demented pact was hellbent on serving the Sculptor.

[granite shard]

they're all competing for the same thing (the bounty) and care more about the payout than the good of the cause in the vast majority of cases

not all hunters are killing each other on sight-- isaiah mentioned the pacts and that is one of the things that shows how hunters will come together and work together for things

but for the most part, hunters see each other as a threat to their income and will take each other out

[rotund ferry]

Fame, money or other sick and twisted motives.

Every hunter in the bayou has their vice.

[torpid pecan]

Tehnically, getting away with murder was getting harder and harder by 1895

So maybe they do it for thrills

[rotund ferry]

Some of them do, others do it out of necessity.

[granite shard]

yeah

[torpid pecan]

No one is gonna investigate a murder in a corruption zone

[granite shard]

a vast majority of it is going to be just practicality, but then there's the few who just like killing people

[rotund ferry]

You gotta be pretty insane to be stepping into hell like that.

[torpid pecan]

Or desperate

[rotund ferry]

Hand in hand when you've been there long enough.

[torpid pecan]

Money could be tight back home, so a hunter either gets killed or gets rich

[rotund ferry]

There's very few "good" characters in the bayou.

[torpid pecan]

My hunters do it for money, hence why I avoid pvp

[rotund ferry]

Some are broken minded and have to kill to keep themselves sane (reaper, devils advocate etc), some just kill for the fun of it, others for the fame and riches, some there to protect the ones they care about who might fall under other categories and those who are trying to serve pacts/beliefs like the demented pact, infernal pact etc.

[torpid pecan]

Yeah but bounty money could get you retired for life

[rotund ferry]

Like the hunter I use most, scaramuccia, was stuck in poverty for a long time and decided to come to the bayou for riches.

Or Lulu who decided to kill men instead for coin.

Then you got hunters coming from other countries to make a name for themselves.

If you want to read deeply into lore and see previous chapters that aren't in game, would highly recommend checking pinned messages in here for Rai's Lore Compendium.

Massive 585 page doc with every bit of lore.

[granite shard]

a lot of the questions you have are answered in various stories in the lore

bad as they seem has a bit that covers what it's like being a successful hunter and then having a target placed on your back by other hunters because of it

[wary totem]

can some1 explain me the breef lore of the game?

please

[stoic ore]

Infected go brrrr, hunters go bigger bbrrrrrr

was that too brief?..

[wary totem]

that was perfect

[stoic ore]

o.o

[real cedar]

After searching for so damn long I finally found one of the last loading screen lore bits I've been looking for. It took like 200+ hours of gameplay to come across it after I failed to screenshot the first time. I think I'm only missing one now.

[high stone]

Is the big gated doorway that goes further underground in pitching, or Healing Waters? I don’t remember off the top of my head, thought it was the church tho

[real cedar]

Healing Waters, it's that fiery spot yeah? Pitching just has the crack with the Shining twins easter egg

[high stone]

Yep, that’s right, it’s still burning

I always thought they were going to expand on that….

[upbeat kiln]

Haha relatable. so many times I have thought exactly that to myself about one thing or the other within the lore

[granite shard]

they really just need a way to have a consistent, longer form lore delivery mechanic

there's just too much for them to consistently address/expand on with the release schedule they've had for lore. and tbh I'm worried that they'll never do that now bc it seems like lore's going to take more of a backseat

it's a shame

[upbeat kiln]

They're also hellbend on constantly widening the spectrum of the lore instead of adding depth to it. There were so many already existing aspects that could have been expanded on. Yet they were ditched to introduce side-plots that were quite honestly.. silly

Mr. Chary, the Moon, the Devil Advocate prancing around in circles

[granite shard]

I think the choice for the event lore was the right one

bc we're seeing it tying back into stuff that we've already seen in previous lore, as well as with the hunters

it's just the cast will keep expanding endlessly as long as development continues since it's essentially once a month we get a DLC hunter and then once every few we get blood bond hunters so there's so little chance for things to keep up

[upbeat kiln]

I think all recent events fell completely outside of what the original style and atmosphere within the writing used to be. That's really what grinds my gears the most. As well as the assemble-line hunters with generic backstories

The Infected had so much potential

that guy could have had his own entire event

[real dove]

Agreed on the assembly line hunters. I feel a lot of their stuff is getting very very shallow. No real personality or anything. I enjoy seeing the cast of characters in the events, and honestly I'm okay with the events being less puzzley and more clear, while the bow stays cryptic

[granite shard]

I'm not super impressed with the viking siblings or what we've seen of the new tiered hunters turned full skins, and agree that the infected has a lot of potential

but like for the events vs old lore I don't think that either are inherently worse

I've said it before, but I think a lot of the old lore is very shallow in terms of that it's a lot of strict worldbuilding and serves more as a build up of atmosphere while I think the current lore has been trying to tell more of a cohesive narrative

I'm a fan of character focused writing which is why I prefer the more contemporary stuff as I think having characters really helps people identify with the work and attach themselves more to it, while also giving ways to tell more personal stories which I prefer

[real dove]

Agreed. I also think the event stuff NEEDS to be clear- for the folks who are reading it who aren't us to understand and build rapport with the characters. Not the confusing mass of stuff that is the bow.

[upbeat kiln]

I think that's the root of the issue. For before with the vague and obscure lore, you had to speculate and derive your own narrative - which might not be cohesive or complete - but it still, in my opinion, works better for the universe in general, besides trying to make it into a Walking Dead-style series, where we follow a story that separates itself drastically from what Hunt: Showdown in its essence used to be; a mystery for us to solve. It's too linear for me now. Not that I would be against that approach at all, I just feel like the writing overall for newer events, hasn't been able to pull that off to any degree, what so ever.

Again, just my opinion :))

[granite shard]

I think it’s just a difference in how you and I view media tbh

[icy brook]

^^

[granite shard]

Like not a bad thing but that’s the kinda crux of the issue of narrative design— different people enjoy different story presentations

[icy brook]

I’ve said it before but I feel Hunt needs a novel or novel series that gives a depth and spine to lore moving forward

[granite shard]

The writing in the events isn’t like Pulitzer level writing but also it serves its purpose and I feel very connected to what’s going on and have enjoyed the more in depth characterization it’s provided

[upbeat kiln]

Hunt: Showdown novels. Or even comics. Where do I deposit my money?

[granite shard]

A novel series would be fantastic

[icy brook]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[granite shard]

Overwatch’s comics/short stories/novels have been really great for stuff and I’d love to see hunt tackle something like that

[real dove]

I am very worried for the future of this game, lore wise. We have had several very very shallow hunters added, and the change from legendary to normal ranked by mf "rarity" has me hella confused. Feels a lot like the soul of the game is getting stripped out- like you said, rather than going deeper, we are going wider. I hoped that the rat/kid stuff would lead to less new hunters and more new skins and stories for the current ones, but clearly that wasn't the case. Instead, surprise twin.

All of the recent hunters being male/female versions of each other as well as seeing the most pop hunters get that treatment feels to me like a push to $$ and not to further the game any

[upbeat kiln]

Instead of serving the narrative of the game's universe, the lore has been monetized, which has robbed it of its soul, in my opinion.

[real dove]

We still get that stuff tho. Every new weapon adds to the "old lore", does it not?

The events are needed to keep the game alive

The event stories are needed to explain why it's happening

You can't keep hunt afloat without it, and without it how would players know why the swamps are on fire? We saw the hard to understand mess that was DM. Sure, we can puzzle it out, but will the normal everyday player? Idk. Im with Smalls, I like seeing my characters be more than skins, have them active in the world. But that's just me.

[sinful warren]

The event Lore is free so not really monetized

And you can read the weapon's description in the store even if you don't own the skin

[upbeat kiln]

Like I said. I wouldn't be against that approach either - if the writing had been on par with the original lore. But it fell short in terms of quality and consistency for me.

[real cedar]

It's not about selling the lore itself, but directing the writers to accommodate the things that bring in money, which often aren't created for the sake of delving into the core story.

Though some of the new stuff has been wrapping around to the ancient lore which is exciting

[sinful warren]

Totally

[granite shard]

I think for me tho, it might be that DLC/BB hunters bring in money so that causes incentive to focus on them, but also as a player I’m more connected to someone like Sofia or Felis than I am to William salter so I prefer reading about them

Which I think is important in the consideration of who/what to write about

[upbeat kiln]

Haha yeah, I see your point - yet - I couldn't disagree more with it. Personally, Lynch is to me the most interesting character in all of Hunt: Showdown - and she isn't even in the game.

But what she represents in terms of game mechanics and the universe itself is immense

[granite shard]

I agree that lynch is incredibly interesting

But I think there’s a reason why people want lynch as a figure in the game you can see, either as a boss or a hunter, because there’s that added connection you get in that area

Idk, I’m coming from a base of hero shooters which owe a huge portion of their success to the connections people build with the roster themselves, and that’s part of why I want hunt to continue in this sort of direction narratively

There’s a not insignificant consumer base that hasn’t been reached yet that if they did a marketing push on the lore and put out more easily accessible lore, that they could tap into

[upbeat kiln]

I don't mind the connection at all either. The original lore could paint a pretty good picture of a character like Sheriff Hardin, but without the need for a soap opera charade. I would have loved to see a much deeper look into several other characters - but I wanted it done in the true spirit of the original writers

[granite shard]

I think propping things up as “the true spirit of the original writers” is a dangerous path to tread when talking about lore direction bc you don’t fully know what way they would have taken things when the need to continue the narrative five years down the line tbh

Like ultimately the scope of hunt has changed from launch. They’ve talked several times abt not expecting the game to last this long

[upbeat kiln]

But I do. Based on personal conversations. That is also why I feel my frustrations with the direction of the lore currently is valid.

[granite shard]

That’s fair

But also I do think that it is still a point where as the scope of the game has changed, the scope and direction of the lore also needed to change

[real cedar]

The original writers weren't perfect either, like the whole 'every match is the same story retold' idea that got floated for a moment. But there is something to it that with the events it shifted from a grossly mismanaged institution trying to study and combat the infection to more individualistic hunters playing hero and villain with more fantastical elements like the land of the dead becoming fact rather than kept in Collins' fiction.
Going with the hero shooter idea even further definitely sounds kinda icky to me. I want more depth, less interpersonal drama

[granite shard]

I don’t think that the book of weapons has changed in its scope/direction (well, aside from the canning of it later this year 🙃) but the addition of the event lore has been important to moving the game forward and really delivering a narrative

[granite shard]

What I mean w the hero shooter comment is the way games like overwatch and apex have marketed the lore and delivered easy to access/share stories

Like ignoring cinematics, OW has four/five art books, two comic anthologies, two longer form comics, three standalone novels, multiple short story collections, and an entire book delving into the history of the world

Apex has more in game story delivery alongside a lore book itself

[real cedar]

To be fair, they can afford to get extravagant with their stories cause they've got the money to pay more writers and artists

[granite shard]

That’s fair, but the marketing those things provide also brings more people into the ecosystem of the game, buying it and buying merch of it

Hunt also could step up its merch game but it is what it is 😂

[real cedar]

Yeah, I would definitely buy a lore or artbook over a tshirt 😂

[granite shard]

Like I’ve managed to lure a few friends into getting into hunt by talking abt the lore & showing them some of the legendaries so like there is an untapped market

Also like I’m prob one of the most insane people in the community abt the lore but holy shit am I normal compared to a lot of the really intense girlies in fandoms

[raw gust]

It's hard to feel a deep connection to characters I only see when I shoot them in the face

Well, my hatred of Cain and Reptilians is probably lore accurate at least

So kudos to the team for really selling that Cain is a loathsome fellow

[upbeat kiln]

I find Cain's hygiene extremely relatable

[raw gust]

The devs realized you would be able to smell Cain before you see him but didn't have time to implement the smell system

What could have been

But really I feel like the reason why characterization works in TF2 (the only good "hero shooter") is that the characters have a lot to say in game. Hunters are mostly silent.

[real dove]

Honestly, it's probably just going to be an agree to disagree on this kind of stuff. I would rather have stories about the hunters than stories about random people we don't know. I appreciate a lot of the older lore helps set up the world, but I like that we have stuff that ties to the actual hunters now as well. It gives the lore so much more credit ino

[gilded umbra]

They should make hard cover collectible Lore Books. 📚

[glass mirage]

😭 stories about new chatacters is too much?

How tf do they expand the world then

[real dove]

? I want more stories about everyone lol. I wish they'd do more stuff like the q&a or blog posts or whatever. It brings the hunters to life for me and I enjoy that :)

[rotund ferry]

Just, not like certain q&a we've seen in the past....

Those were uh.. really bad.

[real dove]

?

[rotund ferry]

There were a couple corny ones.

Very goofy writing for them.

[real dove]

You do you, I didn't mind them

[rotund ferry]

They just felt a little too forced yknow.

Pure edge and no substance.

From the felis one.

[real dove]

Again, matter of opinion. I didn't mind them, they gave the characters some life. Yeah, little edgy but she has a skull on her head so like, eh

[rotund ferry]

Reptillian one. 😭

[real dove]

And?

[rotund ferry]

It feels more like teenage fanfic writing than actual good lore.

Sure, matter of opinion as with all literature.

[real dove]

It's just character building not lore lmao

But yeah, you don't like em, I do. So not gonna get anywhere here lol

[rotund ferry]

And imo they could def do it better by making the hunters not all edge no substance like they've been doing so with the event lore, loved seeing how the different hunters interacted with each other and whatnot.

And yeah, true, agree to disagree.

[real dove]

Agreed. I do think they did pick 2 edgy hunters for that, Hardins shit wasn't as edgy imo. So felt accurate to dude who's been killing gators trying to summon a dino and girl who was raised by the bone doc and has a skull on her head

[rotund ferry]

Hardins was fine yeah.

[real dove]

But I'm glad they are flushing them out some. Giving them some more life

[rotund ferry]

I just wish they showed more of a humane side to these hunters cause they'll still have it considering we've seen felis in other lore not act like how she did in the interview unless they tell us she was doing it just out of spite, that'd be pretty funny.

Just messing with the interviewers would be funny.

[real dove]

Seeing Sofia and Lulu's stuff, Hardin slowly becoming a power hungry monster, etc def made the hunters more interesting/relatable/human

True

[rotund ferry]

Hardin is a dark dark chararacter for sure.

[real dove]

Neither of those two prolly would like to be asked questions when they could be doing other shit

[rotund ferry]

I think my personal fav interaction so far was with the reaper and the bone mason.

I found that nice.

[real dove]

Yeah. I'm super curious to see what happens with him

Ja. I still love charys play

[atomic flax]

So this is probably well established but can I ask who Mr. Chary was and who/what the sculptor is? Is it like some kind of dbd entity kinda thing?

[real dove]

And devil adv for that whole trilogy

[rotund ferry]

The sculptor is pretty much a whole mystery, still no idea what its objectives or goals are.

It's all theories so far with the lore we've been given.

[atomic flax]

Dang we dont even know if it has some sort of physical form or anything? thats awesome

[rotund ferry]

Afaik yeah.

[rotund ferry]

I can only see it ending real bad for him.

Maybe he'll turn into a boss too, that would be wild.

[real dove]

Yeah, dunno. Dude did send kids into the swamp so eh

[atomic flax]

Also who was the chary dude? I have only seen mentions of him in the old tribute thing and in some boss logs in the book. Im guessing hes some huge part of the story?

[real dove]

He was the bad guy for a bit yeah

Trying to gain control over the moon

[atomic flax]

And we gave him blood sacrifices?

[real dove]

Then trying to open a portal to the land of the dead

[atomic flax]

Fair enough

HE just seems like an entreprenuer to me

[real dove]

Not sure what's happened with him since then, we last saw him getting beat up by the moon

[rotund ferry]

I'm not perfect with hunt lore but iirc Chary is a sort of shadow leader for the AHA, does crazy cruel rituals and is mega power hungry from what we've seen.

He is quite unhinged.

[atomic flax]

Dorry for bogging you with questions but what exactly is the moon?

Sorry*

The devils moon?

thats all I know

[real dove]

She's a spirit

[rotund ferry]

Is kevin still alive?

[real dove]

Yeah

[rotund ferry]

Hope we see him return.

[real dove]

So she's been keeping the sculptor limited to Louisiana iirc

[atomic flax]

Ahh alright

[rotund ferry]

It's not looking good though.

[real dove]

And chary was trying to gain control over her. She recruited a 14yo turned 30 kid to fight for her

[rotund ferry]

Seems the sculptors influence is spreading now.

That would be the kevin I mentioned.

[real dove]

Yeah

[rotund ferry]

He's prob the most powerful hunter rn in lore.

With literal powers and immortality? iirc.

[real dove]

I suspect that those bounties we've been sending off are part of the issue

[rotund ferry]

Wouldn't be surprised yeah.

[real dove]

Maybe, being immortal cause the moon won't let you die is quite a power

[rotund ferry]

Yeah, and he's fueled for revenge against chary so.

I mean, I would be too after all those rituals.

[warm quartz]

Kevin is mid

[real dove]

True. Poor kid has been through some shit

Esp the snake stuff

[rotund ferry]

A real victim of the bayou.

[real dove]

Hopefully he can land some punches on chary with the moon lol

It's just the pair of them thumping the man

[rotund ferry]

Hoping for quite a lot more than just punches.

[real dove]

I think he'll come back

[rotund ferry]

Does chary have any abilities?

[real dove]

He appears to yeah

[rotund ferry]

He seems pretty tough and yeah,

it's a surprise he hasn't died already from all the crazy shit he's done.

[real dove]

He did cut himself up to get into the lod

[granite shard]

we saw him mentioned in the lemat marksman lore-- nothing big but the guy trying to get the jump on witch hunter/hail mary being like "well if they die their nephew kevin will be sad so let's hope they cooperate"

[atomic flax]

Which hunter is kevin? I thought it was the revenant ngl

[rotund ferry]

😭

[granite shard]

he's the one who's half purple

[real cedar]

False Saint

[rotund ferry]

I'm not sure they want kevin after them.

[granite shard]

and does not look like a fourteen year old

[atomic flax]

Ahh alright i remember that weird looking dude

Thank you

[real dove]

👍🏻

[rotund ferry]

Yeah, he's basically the strongest hunter rn,

it's a good thing in game they're not lore accurate.

[real dove]

He's the oldest youngest character lol

[granite shard]

I'd say he doesn't seem that particularly strong but he just can't die

[rotund ferry]

True but with time and such an ability, he'd become quite strong I'd wager.

[granite shard]

he might be stronger than he seems but he holds himself back bc he doesn't want to kill anyone not named orwell chary

[rotund ferry]

That'd be funny.

[atomic flax]

Would that imply he has infinite necro or he just respawns outside of louisiana?

[rotund ferry]

Eyes just go red when he sees chary.

[granite shard]

the moon just doesn't let him die

infinite necro in a sense

[rotund ferry]

Yeah, literally can't die even if he wanted to.

[real dove]

Didn't he get the chance tho

[rotund ferry]

His mission is to take down chary.

[granite shard]

I actually really enjoy the parts in I want to say serpent moon when he's like

[atomic flax]

So just gets put to nighty night time when a sparks sniper 500m away blows his head off?

[granite shard]

actually freaking out over not being able to die

[real dove]

He saw his parents and then opted to keep living?

[granite shard]

tbh I don't know how legit that part is since it's part of the dime story

that's devil's moon

[real dove]

Tru

[rotund ferry]

So question is, are there other hunters like kevin?

That have some crazy ability or whatever.

[atomic flax]

Wouldnt one of them be the revenant?

[real dove]

It's why simplicity and straight forwardness for events is nice

[atomic flax]

dude has a whole hole in his heart and came back that seems pretty close

[granite shard]

I love the image of the viper cradling a dying kevin

the revenant is a zombie

he was raised from the dead by a man called the night speaker, a member of the night seer's cult

we haven't seen him in game

[real dove]

We have a few alive again hunters

[atomic flax]

Yeah so like the walmart Kevin?

[granite shard]

totally different thing

[atomic flax]

I know what you mean yeah

[rotund ferry]

But no actual hunters who have crazy powers?

Other than kevin?

[granite shard]

yeah not yet

oh I guess the drwoend

drowned*

they're insanely strong

[warm quartz]

NooooOOoo moon don't give me super powers no I dont wanna

[granite shard]

the rat ripped a man in half

[rotund ferry]

Oh yeah, the drowned, true.

They're like enlightened or something? And want to share that with everyone?

The kid had a massive personality shift.

[granite shard]

also thinking of not being able to die vs being a zombie, the death pact are implied to be in kevin's camp of being prevented from dying

I don't think the kid changed that much, he seemed pretty normal but has like

visions of the horrors

(aka ptsd from the big mound)

[real dove]

Rat seems to be focused on trying to tell everyone to stop fighting each other and instead fight the actual entities

[rotund ferry]

He's not as like,

whimsical as he once was, that's for sure.

[granite shard]

really? he seemed pretty whimsical

[rotund ferry]

Maybe I forgot but I remember him and the rat being mega serious.

[warm quartz]

One of the weapon lores says that drowned are there to bring murmurstone back to the Land of the Dead

[granite shard]

nah he's pretty goofy still

[rotund ferry]

Ah fair, good to see he has his sense of humour still.

[real dove]

Where?

The stone got destroyed in tide of desolation

Or that was my take

[granite shard]

the drowned were meant to take people into the land of the dead

what lynch didn't tell them is that they and all they brought back were meant to be sacrifices

they all managed to come out on top but they weren't supposed to survive

[granite shard]

the murmurstone made the graven path. I think it wasn't fully destroyed and that's where it skedaddled

[real dove]

Yeah. It was hit by the blood, ran off, dug the path, then became the thing the boat killed

Unless I read that all wrong

[granite shard]

OH FUN I'm looking through the tide of desolation lore and there's a reference to the katana lore!

[rotund ferry]

I really wonder if we'll ever see the sculptor.

Maybe a finale event type deal.

[granite shard]

maybe

I kinda hope we never see it tho tbh

[real dove]

Same

[real cedar]

There was a theory that one promo image had the sculptor's face in it, I forget why people thought that though

[rotund ferry]

Yeah the mystery is good but I imagine at some point we'll have a finale event.

Which image was this?

[real dove]

The wasp nest one

[real dove]

I hope we never see it tho

[rotund ferry]

Oh that, I can see why people might think that.

[granite shard]

oh yeah I think that's meant to be the murmurstone

[real cedar]

yeah that would make more sense

[rotund ferry]

I always assumed the murmurstone was just some tablet.

[real cedar]

It's usually described as an insect-like head

[rotund ferry]

Oh damn.

[real cedar]

Makes sense it'd be a head, how is it gonna murmur without a mouth?

[warm quartz]

Maybe it's a butt

[rotund ferry]

I always had the image of it being some dead space rosetta type deal.

But fair yeah, makes sense I guess.

[real dove]

I did too, until the line about it looking insecty

[torpid pecan]

Wait, is Hunt's history different?

In our time-line we invented the silencer in 1902, but in Hunt they have it by 1895

7 years early

[rugged harbor]

Ye

We’ve even got a Mauser and drilling in 1895

[torpid pecan]

Hmm, how would they get those guns early?

Prototypes from gun factories?

[raw gust]

The Mauser is only 1 year early and the Drilling isn't supposed to be a Luftwaffe drilling (but they made things confusing by modelling it after one.)

Drillings existed before the 1930s

Crown and King is ~5 years early too

[rugged harbor]

They also use a variant of the mosin with a curved bolt that was only produced durring WW2 I believe

[raw gust]

They used to use a period accurate model but changed it when they added scopes

[torpid pecan]

Also a god damn Katana in southern America

[raw gust]

Kind of stupid from a vibes perspective imo but Ronin is there so why not

[torpid pecan]

I also like Katana description "We dont know how to clean it of mud but we know how to sharpen it"

Along those lines

[rotund ferry]

Not official but my thoughts are that they'd be more innovative with weaponry cause of the present threat.

[torpid pecan]

Also why are all the guns either rusty or covered in mud?

We can't crawl, can we?

[rotund ferry]

A lot of those weapons are passed around and go through hell,

we have plenty legendarys that are clean and pristine.

[real cedar]

The silencer was first patented by Maxim in 1892 for killing cattle. In 1894 another inventor patented a 'bang suppressor'. So it would seem the Association and gunrunners in the world took those earliest prototypes and started using them before the Maxim silencer became commercially successful.
It's the same thing with the dolch and auto-5, both are mentioned in stories to have been brought in by smugglers and gunsmiths peddling prototype weaponry.

[torpid pecan]

Is gun smuggling that badly needed?

[real cedar]

Definitely. I'm not too sure on the exact laws of the time regarding how secret you have to be but having a guy who can get you a shipment of a foreign military's rifles and ammo or manage to grab a prototype that hasn't hit the market yet would be huge for Hunters. Anything for the smallest edge against both the monsters and the competition.

[raw gust]

Tbh the Mosin showing up in America is probably more unrealistic than the Auto-5 showing up early. Rifles were closely guarded back in the day

[amber harbor]

Where are these from?

[real cedar]

The newsfeed in game had three Q&As during the 5th anniversary

They can be found on the wiki

[amber harbor]

Oh ok, thx

[high stone]

🤷🤷‍♀️🤷‍♂️

Someday…..

[torpid pecan]

Which of the Legendary Hunters would be considered "Good people"?

[amber harbor]

Maybe Marshall Brewer or The Researcher? Depends on your definition of good, most if not all hunters have killed, or at least done some questionable stuff

(Looking at you Hardin with your child soliders)

[torpid pecan]

I mean having some shred of decency and morals

Everyone kills in the corruption zone

[amber harbor]

There are a couple hunters who seek vengence or to right wrongs done to them

Lloronas heir or the Rat, but I'm not well versed in their lore

[torpid pecan]

Isnt heir a widow?

[amber harbor]

The Viper was an assassin learning to not follow orders and find his own reasons to live

Most of Grounded or Death pact I guess would be 'good'

Sofia was a leader of death pact last event who went against Hardins nonsense and the primals

She seems to have strong morals

[loud steeple]

Kevin

False saint

[warm quartz]

I'd say Bad Hand

He isn't exactly a good person, but his description makes him look like a good folk

Neither Sofia or Viper are good people, they're psychopaths like most of the hunters

They kill for a living

[warm quartz]

I'd say it's Witch Hunter and Hex Breaker because they protect humanity from the monsters

But Witch Hunter is on her personal revenge quest

Redneck seems to be so stupid he's evil

Coal Bearer might be a good guy if he's actually Santa

Kevin is a good egg, but Moon will probably twist him

Researcher too, but he's there for the money/research

Native hunters are there just to kill Chaos too, but Grounded pact sounds more like crazy eco-activist that protectors of humanity

Marshal Brewer believes into something, but she still does bad stuff

Reverend and Mary are there to fight corruption too, but they're religious fanatics

Bridgewater might be there for a good cause

Moorhound might be just a monster hunter too

[amber harbor]

All in the bayou do

[granite shard]

False saint, Hail Mary, witch hunter, archeologist, Marshall brewer, bone doctor, weird sister, bridgewater, redneck, and the daughter of decay seem to be generally pretty decent people

Worm bite is kinda a lunatic but he doesn’t seem to be actively malicious towards other hunters and more so wants to just bury the dead so they can go kill Death for him

[granite shard]

I think Sofia’s a really interesting case bc she seems to be one of the hunters who grasps the bigger picture of it all the best on one hand, but on the other she really loves killing people 😂😂😂

[real cedar]

Archaeologist has the whole Prodigal Daughter issue so she might not be good, Redneck is either a horse rustler or connected to them, and Bone Doctor is wanted for "crimes too heinous to be enumerated"

[granite shard]

Tbh everything we’ve actually seen from the bone doctor has been him being decent tho and I wouldn’t be surprised to see racism play a role in how he’s viewed irt “crimes”

I guess basically from what we’ve seen of the action of those guys in canon so far, none of them have seemed to be that awful

[real cedar]

Fair, but it does raise a specter of doubt at least unlike most of the other "good" characters

[granite shard]

Like the archeologist might not be good, but what we’ve seen from her actions in canon she seems decent

I guess for me there’s always going to be a layer for all of these characters of doing bad things

Like good’s relative in the bayou. Even kevin who’s the most good had to give the okay to using innocent blood on the oleander to smoke out chary

[high stone]

I always thought Black was there not to collect and hoard data, but to figured out wtf is going on - Brewer seems very clear about that too (although maybe her interest started more with the AHA specifically)

[high stone]

It’s been awhile since I’ve read Zhong Kui’s bio, but I thought he was pretty much a good guy too. Demon hunter?

[torpid pecan]

Isnt Hail Mary a radical nun?

[granite shard]

I think he’s decent but I can’t remember if he has a mention of being super violent or if that’s just the sovereign

[high stone]

His partner, Dead Blessing, sounds like she’s just dangerous….but they seem to work together so who knows

[granite shard]

I mean she’s an excommunicated nun who wants to get back into the church but that doesn’t mean she’s a bad person. She tried to pull the witch hunter back from her revenge quest to settle down with her instead and left her when Circe had an “I’m vengeance” moment

[torpid pecan]

Mhm "settle down"

Get a small cabin together too while at it

[granite shard]

I mean yeah they were dating

Mary gave her the ultimatum of revenge or our relationship and Circe chose revenge

[torpid pecan]

So Mary is only queer hunter?

[granite shard]

No

[torpid pecan]

Who else?

[granite shard]

Lulu and Sofia are dating, the viper, iron bark, and Sofia are all non-binary, the mountain man has a dead ex boyfriend, the ronin potentially has the start of a relationship with a man going on, and the witch hunter is bi

[torpid pecan]

Jesus on a skateboard

More than I expected

[granite shard]

Yeah hunt’s really diverse

[torpid pecan]

So Hunt's timeline is all fucky

Guns come earlier, silencers are a thing, and queerness is common

Do they have cars?

[granite shard]

Queerness has been common throughout history

[torpid pecan]

I didnt word that properly

I meant that people werent open about it

[granite shard]

These are people who are already on the fringes of society

[torpid pecan]

What is a death pact?

[real cedar]

Like Iron Bark was literally raised by wolves so it's not quite the same idea as most non-binary, it's more like non-person

[torpid pecan]

Sofia has one

Dealing with death?

Exchange 4 souls for her guaranteed revenge?

[granite shard]

At the end of the day tho, they’re not part of the male/female binary and use they/them pronouns so that’s the umbrella they’re under

[real cedar]

Zhong Kui seems mostly solid but they threw in one hint of something more in the Trial No Vice, No Virture:
Some were suspicious of Zhong Kui because so few Hunters practiced as much self-restraint as he. The decimation at Lawson Station cast doubt on this image, however, as many thought his attack to indicate an egregious delight in destruction.

[torpid pecan]

Wait, if AHA is so old

What did they do before Louisiana incident?

Bounty Hunting normal criminals?

[real cedar]

Some of the outdated lore pointed towards non-corruption related paranormal threats that could be hunted, like poltergeists.
Newer lore talks about the witch hunters of new england. So there's usually something out there to hunt, just not normally at this magnitude

[torpid pecan]

So AHA got both worried and excited about Louisiana?

[real cedar]

Yeah. Lots of bounties for making money, but it became too big to handle with their usual ways

[torpid pecan]

So American in the name, do AHA also take hunters who immigrate to the country?

I think in 1895 a lot of asians came to USA

[real cedar]

Yup, there are a fair number of asian immigrant Hunters that presumably joined up with the AHA. American just means that's where they operate. Presumably there's a number of other HAs out there.

[torpid pecan]

I personally associate my random hunters as part of AHA

Fresh recruits

[torpid pecan]

Huh

Hunters are sterile

Aparentely the dark sight serum does that

Because 2 hunters had intercourse and the baby turned into the Meatheads

So I guess AHA did that to avoid further mutations

That might also save Female Hunters from turning into Hives

[high stone]

Lol I remember this now…guy enjoys his job, big deal?

[high stone]

I also thought the “AHA” has a public facing image that omits the paranormal exterminators part, but is still called the AHA - maybe like a national hunting club or outdoors association - ( I think something in the lore references the public image, can’t remember where though, sorry)

[torpid pecan]

I found more lore, aparentely AHA got absolutely fucked now

[high stone]

Yeah, pacts or whatever

[torpid pecan]

with the greed of Hunters who want to farm the bounties they assassinated AHA's director

[high stone]

Yeah

[torpid pecan]

1 specific hunter did

[high stone]

Someone in here certainly has some theories on who

[warm quartz]

Ha only if Elias Cooch isn't in the vicinity

Then she goes all Lulu mode

[rotund ferry]

Question is the Santa hunter still alive or no

[granite shard]

He’s alive

[rotund ferry]

YAY

Is he technically of the good hunters

[granite shard]

He really doesn’t have a lot of lore to him tbh

[rotund ferry]

Burnt marshal is missing rn

[granite shard]

So it’s hard to say

[rotund ferry]

Ah ok

I know some hunters are more cruel than others

But some hunters deserve worse in my opinion

The pig hunter

[brazen root]

Yeah absolutely, they've all taken the inoculum. Have you seen the bloodlines trailer? If not, you absolutely should

[torpid pecan]

Maybe AHA loyalists?

Since AHA got splintered in Louisiana

Why do tier 3 hunters wear all black?

Black isnt a camouflage colour

[brazen root]

The lore reason is that its cool as hell

There's that one tier 3 hunter that wears an actual bush though lol

[rare dirge]

The reworked headsmen says otherwise

[glass mirage]

But it is...

[torpid pecan]

It isnt, Black is officially seen as a colour not found in the nature all that commonly. You are better off with green and brown

Let mud create a natural patern afterward

[glass mirage]

Then you surely have an answer why black in camo patterns performs well in tests

The reason is that black creates a shadow to a camo pattern much like you have black between every tree between the leaves between stones between.. you get the point

Black is fucking everywhere in nature

Of course black just refers to a very dark value color so its rarely completely hueless black

[real dove]

Dark blue/grey works better than black irl, as was said true black is hard to find as you actually show up as a darker mass over blending in. Headsman was grey mess not really black, and had soft outline that helped even more. We don't have many hunters I'd say wear black black, DA being one, but nearly everyone is more dark grey over black.

[high stone]

Yeah there’s a lot of dark grays, green grays, browns, and faded blacks…definitely better for night time? You can see a lot of them blacked their leather gear too. Get some mud and dust on it and you blend in pretty well

[polar thistle]

dang. I forget who they were lore wise

[warm quartz]

Duo that was good at hunt

[amber harbor]

So, since summer is here and we're on the last leg of this version of Hunt, I was thinking we could revive the lore wiki idea from a couple of months back.

Since we already have the bulk of the work already done by Rai and his lore doc, it would mostly entail copy-pasting everything and adding hyperlinks, document structure/templates, and other help pages, describing the gist of the lore, stories, characters or the sculptor in greater detail.

One caveat is that I'm not as connected to the lore as some of you here, so I'll try to write what I can

But maybe we can build a lore task-force to update and maintain the wiki, as it is more easily accessible than joining the discord and asking questions here (especially the 'what is hunt about' questions)

What do y'all think?