lore-discussion

[granite shard]

I think they were regular degular people since the condition for slipping into the lotd is a mass tragedy where a bunch of people die

[spiral mica]

If they burst upon contact with the deck of the ship they'd have to be pretty brittle

[granite shard]

iirc chary muses on it and talks abt the delphine's stuff in tide of corruption

[spiral mica]

He used some kind of rowboat I think

[granite shard]

ah, his musings was his own attempt to get through on the delphine where he cut himself up to get through

[spiral mica]

I wonder if that 2nd paragraph about a city burned is a callback to Devil's moon

[granite shard]

I'm not sure, it could be, but I also wonder if that happened prior to his moon stuff

since the delphine entered the land of the dead in 93

so since he fucked around on the delphine before its hurricane circus disaster in 93 my guess is that first one was more 92 or so

[real dove]

He did?

First trip he walked in on accident. be interested to know how he got back. Second trip was on purpose to get to the delphine, where he cubed himself. Didnt think he was looking for the delphine during the fire, just walked into the LOD on accident

[granite shard]

my reading of that was he was on the delphine to get to the murmurstone when he cut himself into pieces. that wouldn't have been the hurricane instance

maybe I'm misreading and it is intended to be him trying to get to the delphine in the lotd

[deft storm]

Speculation is absolutely a valid part of discussing lore....are you talking about how often the discussions focus on sex and sexuality even with all of the other outrageous and incredible things happening in the world of Hunt? 😊

[real dove]

IDK, maybe im misrecalling this but Chary had the delphine bring the talkyrocky, it got in the hurricane and poofed. He diced himself up to get into the LOD to get the talkyrocky since it wasnt in the land o living and he needed it

[granite shard]

honestly it's never fully clear if finch or chary was behind the delphine stuff. finch claims he was set up which could be true, but he was tied to it enough that his soul was able to be used in the portal

possible that both were trying to manipulate things

[real dove]

True. Finch did go away to find out that his blood could be used to injure the stone

so could have also been looking for it while doing so

I always assumed it was chary pretending to be finch

esp when he has the cane

Be cool to get more letters from finch

predating death obv

[granite shard]

I thought it was chary pretending to be finch up until there was the "The soul of Finch yearned for the Murmurstone" line

[real dove]

He's kinda a ???? character

hm

maybe then

i..dk

[granite shard]

I think it's possible the two of them both had some machinations at play there tbh

[real dove]

totally. It's not super clear who did what tho, at least to me. Finch the maybe immortal with special blood and a link to the rock, Chary the power hungry moon fighter

Chary did totally forget he'd done everything with the Widow after he heard about the rock it seemed

[deft storm]

well, it used to be

[granite shard]

I think the widow served her purpose tbh

he got what he wanted out of her and moved on from moon stuff

[real dove]

Yeah, just seemed odd he was like LOOK AT WHAT IVE DONEEEEEE oooooo rock!

[granite shard]

I'd like to get more of an in between on his thought stuff but it seems like despite devil's moon's text he was in kinda rough shape after the ordeal

[real dove]

could also just been the style of how it was written

[granite shard]

(which makes sense since the text in it was a dime story written by someone else)

[real dove]

^ yea

[granite shard]

so he prob was like ok this plan didn't work, time to shift to something else

[real dove]

Yeah. I'd love to see him come back as like, an alastor type against Lynch. Doing "good" but not a good guy

He's such an interesting character

Maybe rezzes his bFF Finch and they put on a play together

[granite shard]

imo nothing he's doing is that "good" he seems to be more looking for things to benefit himself and gain power than he is actually doing anything good

I doubt they're going to have lynch and chary involved in the narrative at the same time since they both largely fill the same antagonistic niche

[real dove]

Ja. I think she's the greater evil and he could be turned to be "good" to defeat her but will see. Agreed I dont think he

's gonna reappear for a bit

[granite shard]

tbh I think it's more likely that they'd work together than him working against her

[real dove]

Would he share his power tho?

would she?

I think she has minions but doesnt share power

same with him tbh

[granite shard]

if it benefits them, they'd work together

they'd never be even allies but I'd imagine that they'd grit their teeth and bear it until they betrayed the other when it no longer benefitted them

[real dove]

yeah

but after that, who would be the good guy and who would be the bad? as I still think Chary is the lesser evil

"good"

idk

[granite shard]

imo neither

[real dove]

arguing over something that may not happen lol

[granite shard]

haha

[real dove]

Hype we are getting peeks at stuff

I need MORE

[amber harbor]

Did the twin's artifact (serpent dagger iirc) make an appearance outside of BATS?

[granite shard]

not so far

[real dove]

We have the knives they made

but not the LOD stuff

[amber harbor]

If not when Lynch comes back it would be a great time to reintroduce it

Altought its from a dime novel

[granite shard]

jos was brought up recently in the mako lore (in contact w hail mary) so we could see them reappearing in the story proper at some point soon

[amber harbor]

so debatable if real

[granite shard]

so I could see that popping up if they come into play

[real dove]

I think long game, and this is a wild theory but: Lynch will become the next boss. We will get the Twins, and likely some new form of magic (or weapons with RJ's magic)

But will see that stuff finally come back into play

[amber harbor]

If that happens I will explode

[real dove]

same

it's likely just my pipe dream

[amber harbor]

Also didn't make the connection until now, would the serpent the twins fought be linked to the moon/serpent moon?

[granite shard]

nah

[amber harbor]

Did they also try to fight the moon?

[granite shard]

prior to SM release I thought maybe the twins were gonna be brought in but that more had to do with kevin somehow being filled with snakes?

[real dove]

Not that I know of

Twins fought Lynch

[granite shard]

chary pulled a lot of snakes out of kevin for reasons never really explained

[real dove]

that's why iirc she kinda vanished for a bit, before reappearing in the lOD

[real dove]

oops all snakes

[amber harbor]

Well the twins went to fight the snake and retrieve the artifact, but switched sides

It feels significant that the snake motif appears twice, but I can't figure out its meaning

If there is any

[granite shard]

unrelated magic snake things atm but it could be tied together later

[amber harbor]

Like if it is linked to the same entity/loa

Would it be the moon or something else?

[granite shard]

moon for kevin, teche snake for fin

[deft storm]

How much of the Teche Snake, Jos&Fin etc. stuff is supposed to be taken as real - isn't much of it from the Collins novel manuscript

[granite shard]

take it as real until something comes up that contradicts it from a more reliable source

there's researcher's notes that say essentially as much

[deft storm]

the snake was always weird because it's just a native myth to explain the shapes of the waterways down there, and up until that point in the Lore nothing had anything to do with snakes

the snake/bird stuff in the twins story feels like it came from left field

[real dove]

I always wondered if they had intended on going more into the Voodoo/loa world at the start. If so, there is a serpent loa

We have the Lord of the Dead, the Irish Witch, a giant serpent, and a guy with a cane causing a ruckus... I've often wondered if they used parts of the Loa on purpose, or if I'm just crazy

[granite shard]

circling back to the teche snake (I had started scrolling through BATS and then got pulled away to do actual work at my job lol) the researcher notes that there's proof that fin got disfigured with snake stuff but isn't entirely certain how much of the teche snake interaction was legitimate and that collins might have been pulling from indigenous belief stuff

[deft storm]

looks like they did use some of Loa/LA Voodoo mythology earlier - I don't think they're connected, thematically, or otherwise though?

it would be a little disappointing if they just used Loa as the acting parties in the bayou conflict

[granite shard]

there was a mention of a snake deity -- ogun -- in the bomb lance part of bad as they seem

but I think for most of the connections between lynch/chary/etc w voodoo is making connections between general character tropes

giant snakes are pretty common in a lot of folklore for instance, with the teche snake specifically drawing more from indigenous beliefs than voodoo

[real dove]

Dunno. Regardless of it was there originally, it's not now. Which is fine by me

[deft storm]

I wonder (speculation) if Fin's disfigurement is mistaken as connected to their snake story, but it's really scaling and skin metamorphosis from a partial or slow infection (like The Infected)

[real cedar]

If she really does have green scales on half her face that would be a very different corruption than most walking corpses like Infected or the woman in the Timothy Stone story.

[warm quartz]

We have so little information that there's not enough to speculate

[deft storm]

That's what this channel should be called

[deft storm]

That's true, if the "green fig sized scales" description matches 'reality', and is not just an embellishment on Collins part...the Research Notes unfortunately don't say if Fin's disfigurement in the photograph matches the description in Collin's story

There's a dissonance between the Lore characterizations and what you see in the game, much of the time, anyway.....the nature of an Armored's infection isn't really addressed, is it? It doesn't look like it's the same stage as a Grunt's....what's the big claw its arm is transforming into?

[stoic ore]

The husk always seemed more fungi-like to Me

[real dove]

The armored is growing chitin if I remember correctly. The sculptor seems to be based off of insect stuff so it could be the armored is growing extra legs just as insects have more than the four that most humans have

[warm quartz]

I think it's whatever wasp/bee hives are made of

[real dove]

why do you say that?

ah, bait. no thanks.

[warm quartz]

What?

We see this stuff all over buildings

[real dove]

There was someone else above it that's gone now, not it response to them

Agreed, it looks waspy but iirc in the mastery it's harder than paper

[visual finch]

What's the entry that best describe that chitin like substance? It is stated that what's on the building is the same stuff that engulf the armored?

[real dove]

armored entry #1 looks like

lemme see about the stuff on the buildings

he does comment on the flamability-

hard, but easily set aflame?

Oh mastery 2 also Chitin

Bless Rai and the Lore Compendium lmao

[granite shard]

armoreds remind me of tree bark tbh

[real dove]

I agree with the wasp paper, i figured it was some mutated form- tho a thickkkk paper stack is pretty good armor too

idk about the stuff on walls tho. I always assumed it was some part of the plague

we've got beetles now that appear on it sometimes, so dunno if there is now a correlation there

[visual finch]

One big difference from the one growing on the armored is the bulbous stuff on some of those

[real dove]

yeah

I've not looked close to them but remember they were kinda... pimply

maybe it's like fungus growth?

[granite shard]

they're probably a similar root cause tbh

but differ when one's growing on a person vs one growing on a tree

[real dove]

Really, if the Sculptor was more like a human cordyceps that would explain a lot

over an insectoid

Infects humans and takes over their bodies, causes growths, infects the lands, etc...

[deft storm]

While they do look similar to fungi, If you look closer at the husks, they look like they are the same wasp-nest wood pulp material that all the giant wasp nests are, around the maps. The "Armored"s are probably supposed to be infected>cocooned>transformed people that didn't quite finish the metamorphosis, or were interrupted (why only one of their arms are changed...) and broke away from the nest structure, leaving the pieces of protective material attached to themselves. If you think about the size of the husks and the amount of material, they could be pretty dense - something it might take a few swings of an axe to kill.

[stoic ore]

For that reason, they need a miniboss Armored, like the meathead

That like, finished changing genetically

some final variant

[deft storm]

(they should make the Armoreds much harder)

[stoic ore]

would be rather fun, like the meat head but only melee weapons and fire.

[stoic ore]

Yeah more like 5 swings and they lost longer with fire

[deft storm]

I also wonder if they were meant to look like they were changing into another Spider, since the claw looks similar to some of the spider legs

[deft storm]

I also think there are more "advanced" armored that have started to develop a chitinous layer (referenced here) as they change into some kind of insectoid-demon. These however, are not in the game, just the one version we've seen in there for 6 years.

[deft storm]

I don't think the lands are being infected (at least it doesn't look that way in the actual game). There are just lots of HUGE wasp nest structures around different parts of the map, including on some trees, which gives the false impression that the tree is changing

since a lot of the nests have visible cells, like a beehive....You have to assume the wasps play a VERY important role in spreading/ causing the infection?

You can see the combs there on this poor Hunter's chest, with (big!) individual cells

still no idea what the barnacle-like structures with the orange globes are....the start of a metamorphosis? Since those have been set-dressing in the game longer than drone-beetles have been, I hope they hint at something more interesting than an egg for a drone camera beetle

It does look like the wasp nests are producing those globes....so the nest might be the early phase in the cycle, on the way to....something else??

[stoic ore]

You could come to assume

That perhaps the wasps are the thing that spread the virus.

like, when a grunt kills something, maybe it isn’t the grunt, but the wasps the dead bodies attract that cause the sickness.

Also,

For some odd reason

There’s no infected horses.

Infact all the horses on the map are normal, just dead or injured.

[real cedar]

chickens are also alright, dogs a little less so

[stoic ore]

Chickens and birds in general are the only things to be uninfected fully.

Oh and horses.

[deft storm]

This isn't that weird, since a lot of parasites have lifecycles adapted to specific pathways in specific animals (look at Malaria, for example). The biology of some animals prohibits the part of the cycle that others allow

[deft storm]

I always thought these dogs are just starving and mangy, from being caged up for weeks

but they could be infected too

May not be a virus either, it might be a parasitic worm or larvae carried by the wasps, or the larvae of the wasps themselves

just a puzzle piece, though

[real cedar]

The caged dogs may not be infected, but one speculation of the hellhounds is that dogs are susceptible to the corruption like humans are.

[stoic ore]

Personally

I think

Wasp barrels

Should be replaced

With wasp wives

Hives*

The barrels are cool but hives would be much cooler

And make more sense

[deft storm]

Yes, I wish there were more active nests around the world....imagine a nest spitting out 3-4x as many swarms as a Hive

I'm sure someone will start talking about Wasp Wives soon enough

[deft storm]

I found an old Extra-Life promo video with Magnus and friends, where he kind of confirms my idea about the Armoreds (and Grunts)....

People become infected (turning to Grunts i'm assuming)...are drawn to a dark place to die, and their bodies are consumed as a sort of cocoon covering is made around them (by adult wasps? It would have to be), then they are transformed into some monster... the Armored is just a half baked monster when you see it, after it tore away from its "cocoon"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga34IHKdVMU

[deft storm]

It makes me wonder if the Spider is even done with its metamorphosis when it appears in game, given how raw it looks... that part of Scognamiglio's theory that the Spider is meant to "clean up" errant monsters may be true here. Maybe it's built that way to crawl around ceilings and rafters, tending to cocoons with growing abominations and "eggs" clusters in the giant wasp nest structures...

[deft storm]

Artem Shumnik has the Armored concept art on is Art Station page, his brief description says "the guy is covered in a wasp-nest-like substance".......I still think the mention of the "chitinous" substance in the Lore is meant to hint to the reader that they are transforming into something insectoid, on the way to developing a fuller chitinous exoskeleton (not referring to the wasp nest wood pulp material attached to the armored now.)

[deft storm]

Interestingly enough, it looks like they considered having something close to the orange bulbous stuff on/inside of the Armoreds as well...

[visual finch]

Ah yes, the forbidden honey

[glass mirage]

I mean nobody else is gonna eat it

Might as well

The reason there is none is because somebody ate it all

[mint wind]

Also current version wears shoes :)

Or at least 1.

[high stone]

“Lets get some shoes on that guy!”

[granite shard]

removal of the library really kinda sucks man

[real dove]

Yeah. Kinda worried that the folks who care about the lore it too low a number to keep it up

[granite shard]

like idk maybe there's plans to make lore things easier to find but not having anything to say abt it atm is rough

[real dove]

Yeah

I'm hoping that's the plan

[real cedar]

I'm really hoping it's just about prioritizing UI at the moment and they just didn't get around to updating the library rather than this being the soft cancellation of the feature

[real dove]

Yeah

[high stone]

They said they’re taking out the library? Or is it just gone atm?

[real dove]

it's gonna go

the whole library

monstrum, BOW, credits page

[high stone]

Wow that is awful

Holy shit

[granite shard]

yeah agreed

[real dove]

I HOPE it's because creating a lore section is low priority

and will be revisited

and not a full cancellation as Rai said

[granite shard]

a full cancellation would be so rough bc the issue w things is more that it's hard to find specific lore than it is that it's uninteresting

like the fact that we have to go outside of the game to find a good portion of the story is rough

[high stone]

I mean a lot of the lore is rough, but I never ever thought it would go away

That’s the…worst option

[real dove]

yeah. If we get a Lore book/Lore spot (even on their website) that has all the stuff that isnt retconnec, I'm good with that

[worthy nova]

Why the hell would they remove the Monsterorum? That’s my favorite game lore, it’s the best world-building stuff in the game. Huge loss.

[high stone]

That would be something…so many people found the library material just because it was visible up front, though

Getting rid of trials too, haha wow

[real dove]

Yeah, IDK. I'd love an updated lore book, or hell, dedicated section (the Desk of the Researcher, with books for events and such!!!) so I'm gonna hope

[real cedar]

I wonder if getting rid of trials means they're also getting rid of freely exploring the maps. I used that feature a lot when I was collecting poster information and looking for easter eggs

[high stone]

Yes!!

[real dove]

Fair point... unless they add options to the shooting range?

all maps/modes/ be able to explore?

idk

[amber harbor]

On the other hand, we're getting a bunch of hunter bios, maybe they have some new lore bits

[granite shard]

if hunter bios are all we're getting in terms of lore going forward tho

://

hopefully we'll keep getting event lore but I'm kinda fearful now

[earnest jungle]

I don’t think they’re just going to throw out all of the work they’ve done on tell the story

[granite shard]

I don't like being a doomer or like worrying abt nothing but hunt's lore is seriously so special to me so seeing them deprioritize it or get rid of it just feels bad

[worthy nova]

I’m concerned about the tier 2,3, Legendary-is-now-hunters stuff

[real dove]

yeah.,.... not a huge fan

Legendary, Experience, Rookies

dlc/bb hunters, formerly tiered, free

i feel real weird about that change

[worthy nova]

seems like creating bespoke hunters out of existing tier 2,3 ones is just more legendaries? And VERY concerned about the ‘rarity and visual complexity’ phrase for legendaries…
Sounds like loot crate crap to me…

[real cedar]

On the plus side, we get a hint at the upcoming DLC. Looks like a pair of native american hunters

[high stone]

I’m not going to be surprised (but I will be very disappointed) if they dump lore in favor of vague, noncommittal Hunter bios that won’t contradict any other story elements, and only offer a ‘spooky vibe’

[real dove]

her too

[earnest jungle]

I want to be optimistic after all as a wise woman said you only mourn once if you hope for the best; but it does kind of sting to see that the lore is such a low priority for the devs that they didn’t even bother to tell us what they’re planning

[real dove]

eheheeheh

[real cedar]

Yeah, the gun name changes especially make me fearful that the game is going in a new direction away from the more serious tone towards casual vibes

[granite shard]

dude that's my issue w this new girl

like... it's so basic

"the daughter of immigrants" not even saying where they're from?

like that whole lore background is basically "lulu but not a prostitute and make it vaguer"

[worthy nova]

I’m hoping that just means they haven’t settled on something, but…..I share your concern

[earnest jungle]

I’ll be honest the lore and the story were the main reason I play the game. If they just drop the Book of Weapons and Book of Monsters the way they did the Louisiana Event…

[granite shard]

it's just so WEIRD to drop the lore stuff when they've really been tying things together

[real cedar]

That they've done it before with the Louisiana Event is a fair reason to worry, but at the same time they've put so many pages into the stories over years of work that it feels like they surely can't just throw it away.

[high stone]

It’s the JJ Abrams “Bait and Drag”…you’ll never get answers, just a new divergent path

[granite shard]

like they brought back lynch, they've tied her explicitly to the witch hunter, jos has been brought back up again

the backers thread is actively ongoing

[worthy nova]

If they do a loot crate situation with ‘rare’ hunter skins I might check out

Can’t stand that stuff

[high stone]

I think it’s a pretty good reason to worry

[real dove]

Yeap

[granite shard]

I doubt they're going to be doing loot boxes w how those things have gotten legislated out in a lot of countries

[real dove]

I too fear the loot crate

[earnest jungle]

They’ve been pretty good with not doing loot boxes

[granite shard]

the charms currently have the same weird rarity system

[earnest jungle]

The closest they ever came was the black market

[granite shard]

it seems to be more so impacting the blood bond cost of hunters

[worthy nova]

Might not explicitly be a loot box, just a gambling mechanic

[real cedar]

It's fair but at the same time the Louisiana Event was all of like 8 pages while the Book of Monsters and Weapons is stupidly big. It would take huge balls to axe it

[granite shard]

I'm not super concerned abt them adding a gambling mechanic atm

[worthy nova]

I’m trying to say if I see a lot more casual game mechanics enter hunt, that’s a line for me

[earnest jungle]

Setting aside the anxiety about the lore I actually quite like the UI changes and the fact that they’re making the non-legendary hunters into actual characters.

[granite shard]

I think the UI just looks super console focused

like made to be easily navigated on console as opposed to ease of navigation on PC. idk it just looks so cluttered

[real dove]

I... Think the charms are a huge waste in art

They do nothing and the rarity system is dumb

[worthy nova]

Still, that ‘rarity and visual complexity’ language…How can existing legendaries be ‘rare’

[real dove]

Hunters don't need rarity

[granite shard]

prob cost

like they'll probably lower blood bond cost of them

[real cedar]

Cost and whether they're event based. I'll check the image again, see if there's some quick pattern to see

[granite shard]

we see in one screen shot that the legendary tier hunters cost 1k-1.5k and the other oens are in the hundreds

I wonder if this will impact DLC prices since some DLCs are legendary while others are epic

[earnest jungle]

On a side note

[real cedar]

Yeah, so the T2-3s who became Hunters are uncommon, while DLC and Event hunters are primarily legendary, with BB hunters sitting mostly on Rare and only sometimes Legendary if they're connected to an event

[real dove]

Bunch of new hunters in there

[granite shard]

wonder abt these guys

[real dove]

Looks like primal and demented are coming back

[granite shard]

off brand beekeepers

[real cedar]

Very strange iron maiden looking types

[real dove]

Yeah thought so too

[real cedar]

Reminds me of the cageface guy from Bloodborne

[granite shard]

upgraded tiered hunters I'd assume

[real dove]

Yeah

The 800s gotta be legends

[real cedar]

Also... 4/87? We have 106 Legendary Hunters at the moment. Maybe they just haven't finished adding everything to the new UI?

[high stone]

A lot of players can only think of Bloodborne, makes (unfortunate) sense if they cater to them…….but it’s a bad idea

[granite shard]

maybe unowned hunters

[real dove]

DEF PRIMAL look at felis

Tho nobody else has the mark

Herg

[worthy nova]

So theyre assigning ‘uncommon’, ‘legendary’, and ‘rare’ to just mean How the skins are acquired?

That’s a weird notion

[real cedar]

Yup, same as the charm rarity system

[worthy nova]

Oh, okay

[real cedar]

Ultimately meaningless but I guess they think players like their rarity system cause RPGs do it so often?

[worthy nova]

That’s what I figured

[earnest jungle]

The thing that really fucking sucks about all of this is I want to be excited for the new UI but as is I feel like I’m up on the gallows with my head in the noose and my feet on the trap.

[high stone]

that is true….i’m just agreeing that it was always concerning that they didn’t seem to make the effort to figure out the not-very-complicated Louisiana Event lore

[earnest jungle]

I think it’s worth mentioning that when the scrapbook was removed that coincided with a pretty big change behind the scenes with the lore direction.

[high stone]

Right

[earnest jungle]

The removal of the scrapbook is the most obvious sign of that change

But other bits of lore related to that change were also scrubbed from the website.

[granite shard]

I read that as scrapbeak at first and was like ??? they're removing scrapbeak? 😂

[rare dirge]

Also isn’t that the guy from the tutorial

[granite shard]

incheresting

[real dove]

Yep

[earnest jungle]

A lot of you weren’t around in those ancient days of 2018 but I was and I can remember what the lore used to be.

[high stone]

I’ve seen the stuff online

[real cedar]

Any rare stuff on the websites we might've missed?

[earnest jungle]

This stuff came from an archived version of the website

[high stone]

The serious tone of the early lore pretty clearly went hand in hand with the visual design in the game….

[rare dirge]

Scary

Maybe they should do more of that

[earnest jungle]

The text translates as

“Mother of Mothers quell the fire of the Butcher’s Hook
Souls are to be to collected, bodies are to be worn to be joined
Darkness lusts for a the red water in you, Lord of the Fireflies, it thrusts”

Maybe it was just because I was less exposed to the setting but the writing felt just a bit more menacing and foreboding

[real dove]

Someone else noticed

[high stone]

No that’s definitely darker

[real dove]

The red arrows are dlc hunters

Nope

[real cedar]

They're mostly DLC hunters but not on every one. Like Morrigan has it but Midian doesn't

[real dove]

Yeah I just looked

Realized the same

[granite shard]

could be event bonus stuff

since felis had an event icon

[real cedar]

Event boost seems possible, yeah

[real dove]

Trying to track 5 chats it hurting my brain

[granite shard]

would make sense to me since a lot of the ones with them are the new hunters

only one of the scourges having an icon is weird but it could be to allow freedom

[earnest jungle]

There was also a coded message in the photographs of this page: “Look and you Shall See Simon in the 8th”

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/remembering-john-hayward-hunter

[granite shard]

so not tying both versions to a pact

[real dove]

Yeah

Morrigan is cooler than Michigan anyway

Bros hair, I can't with him

[noble scarab]

Michigan

https://tenor.com/view/white-fury-jogger-fury-flex-entertainment-flex-gang-flex-gif-10669790173360995105

[earnest jungle]

All in all the older lore felt a lot more existential and there were more allusions to esoteric christianity, voodoo/vodou, and real world historical figures.

[real cedar]

Now it's a lot more interpersonal drama

[earnest jungle]

Which is nice

But it’s definitely a different feel

And I really really really hope that history isn’t repeating itself with the removal of the Library

[granite shard]

it's just so bizarre that they've put so much work into like

tying things together and moving the story forward

[earnest jungle]

This is kind of the pitfall with these smaller but more frequent updates

Since they’re supposed to be brief you have to be concise

And in being concise you lose detail and nuance

Thinking rationally; if they were planning to axe the lore entirely they would have axed this channel and stopped adding new lore a while ago

Like with the Questlines and Trials

[icy brook]

Hunt lore version 3, 4 maybe?

[high stone]

You’ve summed it up….now it’s like they’re adding inconsequential filler lore, and a more of a casual “cozy-spooky” tone

[granite shard]

imo it feels less casual/filler and more focused on an actual story that progresses

[earnest jungle]

That’s not at all what I’m saying

[granite shard]

like old stuff feels more like it's set pieces for an atmosphere, while new stuff feels more like a directed story

[earnest jungle]

This

[granite shard]

it's different but I don't think it's bad

[earnest jungle]

Exactly

[granite shard]

but that's also why the idea of tossing it all away is so bizarre to me

like they've started making progress on actually telling a story and moving things forward

[high stone]

Sorry, i guess I misunderstood

[earnest jungle]

I’m saying there was a change in direction but different doesn’t mean worse

I also honestly think it was probably for the best that they made this change

You’re less likely to accidentally make racist domestic terrorists into heroes dealing with entirely fictional characters

[high stone]

What

[earnest jungle]

Philip Huff Jones was a real guy and also a member of a white supremacist terror group called the White League that tried to over throw the Reconstruction era government of Louisiana

[high stone]

Oh sure

[earnest jungle]

Also The Bone Doctor was a real guy as well and died in the 1880s

He would have been like 80 in 1895

[high stone]

Did they accidentally make him a hero?

[worthy nova]

Yeah, John Bone Jovi

[earnest jungle]

Some of the older lore kind of sets him up as being a good guy

[worthy nova]

we know him

[earnest jungle]

But that’s stuff from well before the Book of Monsters and Book of Weapons

[real cedar]

We could do with more Divine Comedy references and people looking at the Hunt through their various myths and beliefs, that part hasn't been very pronounced lately

[earnest jungle]

Honestly yeah

[high stone]

I think just because a guy has a bunch of terrible things in his history won’t necessarily make him a bad, non worthwhile character? Characters can do bad things…

[real cedar]

Some terrorists are worse than others, just how it is

[earnest jungle]

I’m not saying that he was a non worthwhile character

I’m saying that when you use historical figures sometimes you get jump scared by their pasts

[high stone]

This is a mature game….we learn about American Slavery in grade school….i don’t know what the jump scare is

[earnest jungle]

I’m speaking metaphorically;

Poetically

[high stone]

I see the metaphor

[earnest jungle]

I’m saying when you use fictional chat account you don’t have to worry about questions of “are you accurately representing who they were” and “are there any really awful things from their pasts we didn’t know about”

[granite shard]

I think that there’s also the point of like whitewashing to an extent

[icy brook]

I will say Philip Huff in historical contexts is a pretty obscure figure, and the in lore description is just a nominal relation it seems

[granite shard]

Like yeah he might still be a bad guy in game but with no reference to what made the real guy actually bad

Personally I’m just generally here for keeping real people out and instead having fully original characters fill the needed niches

[worthy nova]

Couldn’t you just have the same flavor of old lore, while sticking to fictional characters?

seems like an easy to follow rule

[high stone]

Yes

[granite shard]

The issue w the flavor of old lore is that it was set dressing more than actually telling a story

Like I do think that overall there is an issue w lore delivery in terms of the pacing

They can’t keep up with all of the characters added and with an update people who want one side or the other get left to the dust

[worthy nova]

I don’t know, the grunt lore with father nico, Dr. Winkler Rhinehard (?) was a story

just needed more development

and entries

[granite shard]

Bc we can get either something that fleshes out the world, or something that fleshes out 1-3 characters, and then alongside one of those a potential story moving forward

And that happens with only a few entries every 2-3 months

[granite shard]

But not the greater story is my point

[earnest jungle]

The book of monsters has a different function than the book of weapons. The Book of weapons tells stories while the book of monsters uses stories to explain monsters

[high stone]

I think both can be accomplished

[granite shard]

Old hunt lore was a lot of discrete stories that felt to more build up an atmosphere instead of telling a cohesive narrative

[granite shard]

sorry let me reword

[worthy nova]

It delved into the specifics of the infection more than any recent stuff (unless im wrong)

[granite shard]

bc hunter focused stuff still often fleshes out various world things

but what I mean is we either get stuff unrelated to characters we know that serve to more tell us abt things going on in the bayou and how different things function

(think the guy who said "oh fuck this" after seeing the assassin)

[earnest jungle]

Honesty I really regret even bringing up the old lore

[granite shard]

or we get things that give us depth on a few characters we know, and then potentially flesh out the world/story (think the mako lore giving us details of lynch, hail mary/witch hunter, and the thread brought up in the lemat marksman)

[earnest jungle]

My main point was to explain that there was a larger transition than what the removal of the scrapbook would imply

Not to litigate which is better

[high stone]

Anyway my point was just the tone of older lore was more serious, seemed more mature than the newer Lore, which has a softer, more superficial horror feeling

[earnest jungle]

I’m just going to say this one final thing before I wash my hands of this entire discussion of old vs new:

Horror is a lot like comedy; it’s intact is reduced by exposure

[high stone]

Haha it’s ok

[earnest jungle]

So any time there’s this discussion of old vs new lore I think it’s important to ask our selves: is the new lore actually less serious and grounded or have we just become desensitized to the horror

[worthy nova]

It’s a good question to ask.

[high stone]

I have asked this, I understand the need to question yourself too…and the tone IS different

[raw gust]

I understand why they moved away from the Gnostic and Voodoo aspects of the lore (people still practice those religions) but I will say that that change has really made the lore less interesting IMO.

While I'm not sure on whether everything was accurately researched, it at least seemed respectful IMO

[earnest jungle]

Returning to the UI: while it is concerning that lore seems to have taken a back seat in this update we might be making mountains out of mole hills.

[granite shard]

I think the tone has differed but it's something that's not gone away fully

like we still get pretty heavy horror themes going on in things like the berthier lore

but when you're trying to tell a more rounded story it's hard to focus on just that singular element

[high stone]

With the new stuff, I’m always thinking of the cartoon parts, like the Black Coat hitting someone in the chest with a bat, and that person flying up in the air

What’re we doin

[raw gust]

I'm not sure that this is the sort of game well suited to a rounded story honestly

[worthy nova]

You know what this actually feels like to me, is the walking dead - they focused on investigating the infection early on, but it eventually just got abandoned and became all interpersonal drama, alliances changing, and sporadic violence between groups.

It became a show about people fighting, with zombies in the background

[real cedar]

I was about to say the same thing

[raw gust]

Umpire's Bane lore

[high stone]

Hopefully you’re right!

[real cedar]

One aspect that's no longer present is even trying to understand the corruption, now it's more about fighting the paranormal without any study involved. Kind of a metanarrative change showing how the situation has devolved

[granite shard]

I think overall it's the sort of thing where we just need more lore instead of less

[earnest jungle]

Definitely

[granite shard]

bc we get entries that fill the sort of "old lore" vibes people want

[earnest jungle]

Ginme lore Crytek

Gimme lore

[granite shard]

and then we get entries that focus more on the hunters as people, or moving the story forward, which other people want

[earnest jungle]

I want all of the lore

[granite shard]

but it's hard to make everyone happy when we get a couple of entries every few months

[high stone]

I wasn’t saying less, but the focus and quality is something to think about

[granite shard]

oh I know you're not saying less

I'm saying the removal of the book of weapons is saying less lol

[high stone]

Haha yeah that is less

[granite shard]

like maybe they have a plan for the lore in the future, but them focusing on adding new weapon progression instead of lore progression is the scary thing

(in the dev update video I mean)

[earnest jungle]

I just really want this to be a miscommunication

[granite shard]

it would be nice for it to be a miscommunication but it does feel like a very clear communication of their focus

[high stone]

Yep

[real cedar]

It seems likely that it's just an issue of workload and priority. It's not like the guys they have working on lore can help out with UI changes too much

[raw gust]

I really want to see the crytek company baseball game, but on the other hand they can't lose any more programmers

[granite shard]

engagement is probably part of it. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of people in the surveys said that they didn't like getting the lore chapters in the events

it seems like a lot of games are starting to deprioritize lore and story which is :/

[real cedar]

I've said that before in the Devil's Moon survey 😅 0 interest in the lore at the time

Oh woops it was Tide of Corruption survey

[high stone]

Are you talking about people being killed by traps on the bases? 😂

[real dove]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind if they made the lore part of the event but not part of the battle pass

And I could see how a majority of players are probably frustrated that the lore is considered part of that

[high stone]

Yeah Lore being released as event progression is kind of nice

[granite shard]

realistically they would just pad it out with things like charms if lore wasn't there

[real dove]

But I'm worried that they're going to take it as so few of us care about the lore that it's not worth doing more of

[granite shard]

like I think the thing people don't realize is that battle passes are 95% padding and most games do that w things like sprays and emotes

[real dove]

But hopefully we'll get more news on that

I swear to God if Hunt gets emotes..

[granite shard]

tbh I'd like emotes

they don't need to be goofy dance things

but emoting at friends is fun

[high stone]

Umpire’s Bane, while free, also felt like they’re fucking with us, a bit

[real dove]

I don't think they would be able to do many emotes before it got stupid

Hence why I'd rather they just stay out all together

[real cedar]

I don't want emotes simply because there aren't enough gestures to make it worthwhile without inevitably moving to silly things. For a single player game it can work like Dark Souls but for an ever-updating multiplayer game the risk of silliness is always looming

[high stone]

The idea is almost Garbage Pail Kid-like

[earnest jungle]

I just hope that between now and August Crytek does a video explaining their plan for the New Progression system and how long after the engine upgrade it will be added.

[granite shard]

seeing as the progression system isn't coming in august

I doubt it

[raw gust]

I wonder if anyone at crytek has actually seen a baseball game

[earnest jungle]

I just want them to care enough about the story to make a video addressing our concerns

[granite shard]

I don't even need a full video, a tweet would be nice

[real dove]

Yeah I would literally settle for hey guys. The lore isn't going away. We're just going to redo it and put it out better than before

Just not a priority right now with engine vent and other stuff going on

[granite shard]

it all just feels like insane corporate moves

like the prodigal son already felt like a corporate thing

"hey the prodigal daughter is really popular. make another one"

[earnest jungle]

All things considered the lore being taken down for a few months might not be a terrible idea: it would allow them to clean things up a little.

[real dove]

And honestly I'm okay with them doing that if that's what they do

[spiral mica]

For the knuckle knife skin, knotted spine, it mentions ripping out a certain heart from a certain prodigal chest. Is that referencing lonely howl?

[granite shard]

pretty sure

[high stone]

Welcome to “Rehabbing/Restructuring a game property with casual game devs 102”….I expect more focus-group style decision making in the future

[real dove]

I did notice that it looked like dire wolf does not have the arrows

So I wonder if Luna and Dyer will be part of the primal pact

Dire

[high stone]

That would be a good idea, if they do it well, too

[earnest jungle]

I just want them to untie the time knot

[high stone]

?

[granite shard]

I think just moving past it is more important at this point

[real cedar]

Huff's death takes place before and after the two event trilogies

[granite shard]

like they could rework older stuff to move dates back to give things more time to breathe, or they could just say fuck it we ball and keep moving forward in the timeline

[earnest jungle]

The short version is Tide of Shadows simultaneously takes place before after and during Devil’s moon

[high stone]

Oh ok

Oh well

[granite shard]

I think it plays fine with devil's moon

it's more of how both of those play with huff's death

like timeline wise

like tide of shadows is solidly after devil's moon but both of them fit weirdly w huff's death

imo the easiest way to change things would be to push huff's death to mid-late 94, and then have devil's moon happen more in the spring 95 slot, with tide of shadows following a few weeks later

[real cedar]

Yup, it just takes a careful reading of all the other lore that connects with all the players involved with Huff, sort of a six degrees of separation check. Like Butcher would need to be brought to early '94 because Lynch mentions it to the Twins as they're training.

[deft storm]

damn

maybe they can wipe the Lore back as far as 2019 or something and come up with some better ideas

[real cedar]

Another oddity in the new UI: No hunter bio available in the recruitment tab? Will it be in the hunter store tab only?

[vagrant ingot]

Well it never was on the recruitment page, was it?
Though I agree, there is more than enough space there to show the bio as well.

[granite shard]

There’s a toggle

[vagrant ingot]

Actually yeah seems like You can open it from there.

[real cedar]

If there is a toggle still, perhaps it's hidden in the actions menu

[vagrant ingot]

I just hope all the hotkeys will be easily visible.

Also I hope that "Directional keys" will be WASD as well.

[real cedar]

Two other observations: The little hat depicts hunter tiers, meaning every legendary hunter is now likely Tier 3, but more interestingly could also be Tier 2 for whatever reason.
Secondly, two of the new T1 hunter skins having ": Rookie" attached to their name suggests they're going to be evolving skins like Viper, Frau Perchta, Union Suit, to show how they progress as they go up the tiers. Hopefully each version of the skin gets a nice lore description of their exploits and how they changed over time.

I wonder if they'll use this chance to more concretely point out how some of the T3 hunters seem to be deteriorating in health?

[earnest jungle]

Any updates on what’s going to happen to the lore?

[real dove]

Not that I've heard. Honestly, I have a really hard time thinking that we won't get an event story next event. It may be not part of the BP line, but not having an Event Story seems... off. I'm going to assume that they will bring the lore back somehow- maybe not scattered across stuff like BOW/Monstrum. We might get a video going further into what the plan for lore is, but I can't really blame them for not worrying about getting it in with the UI changes right now.

UI, Event, Engine, new map changes*

[earnest jungle]

The longer we go without a response the more pessimistic I become

[real dove]

I mean, it's been a day, I'm sure they'll have an update on it at some point 🙂

[rugged harbor]

I think it’s really weird how they got rid of some of the weapon manufacturer names/dates on a lot of the weapons
Like the Calwell Pax being only called the Pax or the Winfield 1873C Vandal just being called the Vandal 73 C

[spiral mica]

So is it true the new UI changes are removing monstrorum and weaponry entries?

[real dove]

Looks like it

[spiral mica]

Why would they do such a thing?

[real cedar]

The most generous assumption is that they wanted to get the UI overhaul finished and the books (plus the progression changes they seem to want to add to them) were taking too long, so they'd do the main part for the big event and then add the lore back in later

That still sends a pretty awful message, that they don't care about getting new players - which this event is definitely going to bring in since it's the biggest update since DeSalle and Custom Ammo - interested in the story.

[high stone]

This makes me wonder if there’s going to be some video/animated segments coming with the update. Something everyone will see, that can give new and old players a shared reference point for background and story (since reading the lore is completely voluntary)

[real cedar]

I'm hoping for some kind of renewed commitment to push lore, yeah. Something that really presses the players to want to care. Essentially treating the story like a product that has to be marketed, the same way they designed the new UI to make you scroll past the buying bloodbonds tab to get to the bloodline progression tab.

[high stone]

Sorry, yes, that’s what i’m thinking too (just wasn’t clear about it) - something that serves as an attractive jumping off point into the lore

[rugged harbor]

I would love that too, the new UI looks genuinely pretty cool I’m willing to give it a try but seeing they’re getting rid of a lot of worldbuilding with the weapon names and the removal of the library makes me really worried that they’re just pushing lore to the side

[granite shard]

I’m hoping that there will still be event lore since it’s an easy way to pad out the battle passes, since battle passes require a ton of padding

But just getting rid of the library with no apparent plans for an official archive… is bad

Like i know there’s fan archives and whatnot but it’s not the same imo

Like even from a pure media preservation standpoint, it sucks

[rugged harbor]

Yeah I agree

[gilded umbra]

Lore is being removed from the main menu?

[night cliff]

yeah the whole library section will be gone.
Only thing that's mentioned is that they are working on different ways to track progress for weapons and monsters but nothing on the lore entries.

[granite shard]

I understand the library section not being a priority for the UI rework but god I hope they reconsider not bringing it back

I’m honestly surprised at the amount of people in comments/discussions expressing disappointment w it’s removal

[upbeat kiln]

I hope it's just a matter of tidying up the story, before they put it back out there :))

[night cliff]

We got another 8 weeks or so before the update so maybe we‘ll get an developer video discussion the future of the lore

[uneven swallow]

they’re getting rid of the sources of free blood bonds lmfao and the lore is a casualty

very pathetic crytek

[granite shard]

I doubt it’s bc of the blood bonds, I think they just don’t think it’s worth the development effort to make a whole new UI for the lore

Which sucks

[uneven swallow]

yeah that’s still lazy and greedy

[granite shard]

Welcome to corporations 🙃

It seems that narrative stuff is the first to go in every FPS on the market rn

Apex just fired a bunch of their narrative team, OW fired the lead of theirs, etc

[green pollen]

i don't think they'll just totally ditch the narrative since its a selling point of the game kinda, but i do hope the entrys come in a later entry

[real dove]

I really dont think they can do the Events without a strory

story

but we'll see how it goes going forwards

rn IMO its not worth worrying about- after the event/engine/etc stuff if they dont say anything, then yeah, I'm gonna be worried. but i can understand right now that it's likely very low priority

[granite shard]

I’m holding onto hopes that event lore sticks bc as I’ve mentioned, easy bp padding

[real dove]

yeah. it would just be so weird without it

The lore is like... imo kinda a key part of the game. I mean, we have our own channel for it lol. There's bits of stuff all over the maps. but I guess we shall see

[vernal stag]

They needed a better way to read and unlock lore, so I wont miss the books exactly. Nobody can deny that there's so much that it's impenetrable to anyone who's new or isn't willing to spend hours reading everything, even if it's collected in a google doc or on the wiki. I just hope that they do find a way to have a new library in game for it, and it's not a choice to remove their need to write new stuff for every ammo or weapon they add in.

[spiral mica]

I would also say Rotjaw event was a pretty big event aswell

but it's unfortunate that they seem to have prioritized the general UI overhaul over the lore entries

[real cedar]

Ah yeah I was misremembering, Custom Ammo was introduced 5 months before DeSalle, I thought they were much closer together in time, like a joined series of updates over the summer

The two questlines and then Rotjaw was huge for player count, highest peak on Steam in the game's history

[spiral mica]

20,000 concurrent player count or something if I'm remembering correctly.

[real cedar]

Twice that, 44k peak

[eternal hazel]

So this Exclusion Zone will never ever,go away and still existed till the present day?

[real cedar]

It doesn't appear to be that way, though we only have inference to go off of. Some of the Modern Researcher (the guy who writes the custom ammo blurbs titled 'RN' and the introductions in the book of monsters) bits of lore suggest that he is a guy working in the AHA but far removed from the event and looking back on it after decades have past to get a clear picture. The way he writes of trying to confirm if things did or didn't exist and being incredulous at the fantastic details of some of the monsters seem to suggest the Louisiana Event was eventually solved and forgotten about.

One of the very old pieces of lore that isn't in the game anymore had a newspaper article that has the year 1977 written in the margin. Since it was removed from the game years ago, it can't be concretely said to be factual to the story anymore, but it does show the initial intention of much of the lore being told from the perspective of a historian's research.

Ah I knew I remembered something more concrete: The LeMat Slug, Starshell, and Dragon Breath descriptions:
RN: Huff's death further compounded the problems. If he'd been removed peacefully, we might have stopped the Hunters from fracturing. But with his assassination went any glimmer of an authority. Lynch would sooner kill them all than unite them.
RN: Rather, it was allowed to fester. No firm hand was taken in regulating its spread, so spread it did. If training was given to those headed into the bayou, many lives would have been saved. Basic precautions. The list goes on.
RN: While it did come to an end (though if you believe the pessimists and conspiracists it's still going on) the costs were grossly magnified, to an unbelievable amount. What I would give to go back, have the resources we once did, and do the affair over again!

[thick sierra]

I think that a dedicated lore tab with event books and the other lore stuff like weapon mastery entries deserve their own tab in the main menu like a library

Probably been discussed to death at this point but I agree with others that the lore is really important at least to me

having a dedicated spot to put all the lore is a really good idea, and may also prevent having to remove the event lore books every time they're removed

Hunt the only game I've played with FOMO lore

[granite shard]

yeah agreed, or at least a resource on the hunt website

kinda sucks going from hearing david discuss how he'd like to see ways to have old event lore viewable in game slash see more ways to explore lore like novelization to having him reveal that the library's fully getting removed. I doubt he was the one who made that call but it's rough seeing him be the one to deliver that lol

[mint wind]

Perhaps it'll be moved elsewhere. Having all of this written would be a shame to waste, even more if we consider how they still made lore for the marathon/mako while the ideas for the new UI was already being processed.

[granite shard]

Sometimes when I play the viper I look at them and am in awe that they’re only around 27

One of the stories released around their launch mentioned they got their snake at 7 and the breed of snake only lives 20 years and that she was dying of old age

[ember bolt]

Did yall know hunt showdown is in the same universe as game of thrones? The butcher is actually the mountain from game of thrones

[upbeat kiln]

AHA as they realize the Sculptor can clone flying death dragons for all eternity

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-worried-scared-look-gif-23041456

[brave topaz]

quick question

the Water Devils are tape worms right?

giant mutant tape worms

"He intended to take the heart, but he was greeted with a great flow of thick, segmented white worms, spilling from the dead man's flesh.

The worms had already devoured the organs - some still had blood smeared across the mouth cavities, opening and closing in the air as they sought after more flesh."

I can't really think of any other parasite that would live in rotting meat the hunters supposedly ate

[river socket]

I thought lampreys

[brave topaz]

Well they came about because they were feasting on hunters insides

after they ate rotting meat

I'd assume it was on land

and lampreys aren't segmented

tapeworms are

[river socket]

Ah true true

[brave topaz]

the researcher hypothesises in an earlier note that they were an "experiment", too.

Not something the sculptor intentionally designed, but something given form by leeching off the power of the hunters

like meatheads

think the fact they reform/regrow lends credence to that idea too

[noble scarab]

i figured they were once maggots or something simialar, turned huge and watery by the corruption

[real dove]

Ive never considered it. You're right, tapeworms kinda fit the original being

[brave topaz]

maggots would make sense if they turned into giant flies or something, but they stay as worms

early concept art is very much more tape-wormy than maggoty

[granite shard]

I've always thought of them as big fucked up eels tbh

[brave topaz]

that was how I thought of them

before I read about them coming from hunters

especially the meat

eels don't lay eggs inside of things, but that could be the sculptor

I think it's the fact they turn red in the water that makes them appear like eels, but the Sculptor has a pretty clear design for things and seems to gravitate more towards the insectoid and parasitic when styling itself

and the entities under it's control

and eels have faces with eyes, rather than just "mouth cavities"

unrelated note

[green pollen]

Tbh i hope we get more monsters and bosses as time goes on. I feel like a fucked up flying creature needs to be made by some point

[real dove]

I dont really want a flier, the spider is hard enough to deal with. a digging boss akin to rotjaw would be okay

i strongly suspect new map will have new AI

and hopefully bosses skinned to match the area but who knows

[green pollen]

I feel like we’ll prob have the same bosses, cause most of them arnt too swamp related to the point they would have to stay in the bayou

I am hoping for a dear/elk boss by one point

[real dove]

Same. Idk, I'm hoping to see variation, if only as it would make sense to me

But we will see

To be clear- I expect to see the same bosses

Just changed some to fit the new region

But shalllll see

[granite shard]

I doubt they'll be changed at all tbh. grunts and stuff I could see some changes but I doubt the bosses would be that altered since they're still copies of distinct things

[real dove]

I'm hoping lol, lemme hope

[brazen root]

Had a thought

Contraband weapon status might be the AHA's way of discouraging hoonters from committing huntercide lol

No registration for your weapon? They're not buying it back

[gilded umbra]

I’m too much of a Hunt purist to use them. 🤠

[warm quartz]

More like cringiest edgelords 😆

[real dove]

I just prefer to use my skins lol, why carry dirty weapon when I can have smexy clean one?

[real cedar]

Hmm, adding Mountain Men who live in the Rockies just before the new map releases, what could it possibly mean?

[granite shard]

Just so it’s here for reference

I’m 🥺🥺 over them seeing the mountain man as a adoptive father

W the way he was shown in that one promo image for DW alongside the primal pact, I think it’s possible we see him as a narrator if we get event lore

Was he shown in the UI video? I know felis was shown w an event icon

Hm it was just a pledge point thing so maybe that was just showing that they have a copy of her w pledge points

[granite shard]

But more relevant the background here does look different from stuff we’ve seen in existing map stuff so

[real dove]

for sure, that's no place I know

[granite shard]

Could be an environment made for the promo images but that’s potentially our first glimpse of the new map!!

[real cedar]

At the very least it shows the assets they're working with, yeah

[granite shard]

Imagine if they schlepped over to Louisiana to help out the mountain man only to immediately have to turn back around and go home 😂😂

[real dove]

lmaoooo

got on the train

got shot at

got back on the train

I wonder if the dude who was saw got fucked bugged by the assassin will reappear and is like... NOOOOOO HES HERE NOW TOOO?!

that was such a funny addition to the lore

sees assassin nope I'm out

[real cedar]

The most interesting part of the DLC description is the flaming man, and how it somehow connects to the Louisiana Event. To me it reads like the Sculptor's corruption had nothing to do with the creation of the Immolator, if it's happened before years ago.

[granite shard]

Maybe? From the initial tease on IG I took it as like

A member of their family covered in flames bc of the fire

But that could be an interesting direction

[real cedar]

Calling it a figure rather than a friend or family seems to paint the flaming guy as an outsider

[granite shard]

That’s fair, my read was the person was already so burnt they couldn’t immediately place them and the screaming and fire was the most like

Noteworthy aspect

Know what would have been a cool place to expand on that detail?

The book of weapons

[real cedar]

[real dove]

The immo wasn't related to the sculptor at origin, right?

i always read that he combusted (or was lit on fire) and that the Sculpt just copied him

[real cedar]

It didn't seem to be, but the spontaneous combustion did happen within its sphere of influence so this just helps cement it as separate

[real dove]

true. Its a word of mouth entry, so I i always read it with some salt

[warm quartz]

So mountain man wasn't really lonely, he had a lover and pair of adopted kids

[deft storm]

In one of the Q&As the fellas said there are multiple entities interacting, it has always looked like the Immolator, Hellhounds, and Butcher are connected by some power dealing with fire and infernal "magic" (irregardless of what some of the unreliable narrators say in the lore)

[deft storm]

Goodbye Hunt:Showdown! Hello Generic Western PVP for the kiddos

[granite shard]

Desalle’s been in the game for three years and already is a western aesthetic

[deft storm]

partially Western, but yea Desalle was the edge of the slope, this and more 1850s mountain men just pushes it farther down

[icy brook]

American dream

[tropic falcon]

Man i want to play a trio with them trappers and a bearman XD

[deft storm]

I like their powder horns they brought for their metallic cartridge guns

[real dove]

Could hold other stuff

[deft storm]

pillz

I also like how the Mountain Man is just a movie meme reference to "Bear Man" in the 2010 True Grit film, but he gets so much attention from players and gets more Nu Lore with all the pacts and stuff than Marshall Brewer or Harold Black, etc.

[warm quartz]

Nuh-uh

Mountain men are a big part of western mythos

And so it happens they are used in the game literally named "Hunt"

I really like new DLC

No new edgelord masked guy 228

[deft storm]

What
Yeah "Mountain Men" are part of the frontier history everywhere that there are mountains in the USA. Most of them wear buckskin or wool and a brimmed hat. The bear-head-giant-grey-beard guy is distinct look, definitely a True Grit reference, and a meme character...that movie was still in the minds of the general public in 2017/2018, so they decided an attractive bloodbond legendary character would be an aped version of that guy (same situation with The Kid and "The Kid" movie from 2019)

[warm quartz]

Bear head hat was a meme way before that

[deft storm]

they know gamers have RDR2 on the brain too, so any stereotypical western styled character is moneyyymakerrrrrrr

sweatin himself to death in the bayous under 30 lbs of fur

[orchid tangle]

mountain men are so cool my favorite serial killer was a mountain man

[deft storm]

!!

Who was that?

[orchid tangle]

boone helm

[deft storm]

wow, reading about him, he really sucked

[tiny plover]

Ok good im late to the party.
Ahem, "Babe, new gay-dad lore drop!" [Insert the Accursed Point]

The new skins looks sick, though I gotta pose for fun, just how old is the Mountain Man?
So he's one of the original Mountain Men who mapped out the West. Its 1895 for our ref. point.

Just looking at these two and with a vague idea of the timeline of early U.S. Frontier exploration/expansion, comparing the diffrences in age by looks alone, feel's like I just added another 10 years on what I'd assume his age is. Though if Granny Bones can hunt, I dont see why Bridge cant in his 50-60s

[granite shard]

Yeah I’ve placed him in his mid-late 50s-early 60s

[tiny plover]

Im looking at the Leg. Hunter list and I think and I just scroll past Revenant and I think to myself...

Mayhaps even out of idle curiosity it's a moot point lol

[granite shard]

Honestly hunter age is so wild to me

[tiny plover]

They really are anywhere from... 25ish to 70s.

[granite shard]

Like the viper looks like they’re in their 40s and they’re 27 max (delara’s max lifespan is 20, she’s dying a bit early, the viper got her when they were 7), the phantom looks a bit older w graying hair yet his book of weapons stuff has him killing his dad who was being recruited by the AHA

Kevin… looks like he’s 35 and is 14

[tiny plover]

But honestly not too many young bucks. Probably for, yknow, marketability and ethics and whatnot...

Which sucks because maybe I WANNA be a 14 year old supernatural cowboy kid

[granite shard]

Prodigal daughter might be pushing 40

[tiny plover]

Or failing that, playing The Kid as he is now, thin stache and all

before they age him up like 10 years with the new model lol

But yeah no, Hunting for character design (and the whole moral/legal responsibilities thing) is an Old Man's game, mostly chumps with less to loose.

Which is a shame, because on a character design level it feels like you're missing out the other half:
Those who have Everything to gain and Nothing to lose.

Besides their lives and whatnot, but something something greed and necessity.
Philosophical meanderings on what makes someone become a Hunter. blah blah

[rotund ferry]

Question is scrapbeak man made monster like the butcher

[rocky bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3B4qZZnzr8

[rotund ferry]

So yes than

Well than anyway

Money

Was a union soldier lost his legs the plague doctor increase his pain he loved birds the mask fuse to him and hunters called him death right?

[rocky bloom]

@rotund ferry I'm not fully up on the lore but someone else here will answer

[real dove]

I thought we'd figured he was a Confederate, not a union. His mastery sounds to me like his son had something to do with his torture and eventual change- plague doc wasn't the one to do it iirc (they just had to include him in the promo vid)

[amber harbor]

That and having a smaller hitbox would be pay to win

[tiny plover]

Dude young as in like, Shonen 15 yo, like they look to be in their early 20s but they cant even legally drink yet.
AHA already tried the Child Crusade route, pragmatically and otherwise Im not keen on Child Soldiers either lol

[real cedar]

John Victor is coming
He's Prestige 100 only

[icy brook]

There probably should be more young hunters than Millie Moses, if the AHA and other parties want to keep producing hunters the natural solution is to take young apprentices

[earnest jungle]

It doesn't look like the new prestige tracker will contain the lore from the book of weapons and monsters which is... distressing to say the least...

[granite shard]

I don't think we're going to see that lore coming back into the game

the most we can hope for atm is an official archive uploaded somewhere on the hunt site

[real cedar]

I wouldn't expect the prestige system to have it, they said they're working on some other weapon/monster progression system at a later date

I do think it'll come back to the game, they spent 5 years on building up the story

[earnest jungle]

I hate the fact that they're leaving us in the dark about all of this.

[granite shard]

I hope so but I'm not super confident that would happen. the most I see happening is an official archive that can be accessed on the site but I don't think that's a priority

there's been a fair amount of people expressing their dislike of them removing the lore tho

so hopefully that makes them reconsider

[earnest jungle]

It would suck if they came out tomorrow and said "The lore will not be coming back" but at least then we'd know where we stood. But what they're doing right now is worse; just leaving us all in the dark with no idea what's coming

[devout monolith]

But is it a problem that it isn't in game? Can't it be accessed from a forum or something?

[real cedar]

If it's not in game, it's not really "real" and core to the game, it's supplementary. Also it causes the issue that new players won't even know to look for it without talking to older players. When I first started getting into the lore, I thought I read through everything, but then I discovered there's a number of stories on the Hunt website. Imagine the sort of new player who reads through all the hunter and weapon blurbs and likes it but doesn't know about the dozens of pages of Weapon & Monster stories.

[frozen drift]

So lemme get this straight... The two trapper dlc hunters had an encounter with an immolator which destroyed their home town, they were saved by the mountain man who taught them how to hunt and trap, he left them, they thrived until other hunters tried to hunt in their grounds, then they got word from the mountain man of him being in louisiana hunting a different prey with an answer to what happened in their home and they set off to find him?

[real cedar]

Yup, though it's only probably an immolator, it could be just a guy on fire for some random reason.

[granite shard]

Rich people tried to buy the land they lived on and they fought them off, not other hunters

Possible that rich people set their homestead on fire as well to make it easier to buy the land. Maybe immolator maybe mundane

[frozen drift]

ahh.

got it

[rotund ferry]

“kill scrapbeak 500 times to unlock”

[rotund ferry]

Oh definitely. The game is lore rich with weapon skins and character bios. Would suck if they threw away the lore completely

[upbeat kiln]

At least we will have Rai's compendium to keep us warm at night

[tiny plover]

Hey, worst case, at least you get more traffic to the lore videos eh? lol

But yeah, shit sucks if they just plan to scrap it. Its such a waste for all the world building it provides, let alone the work poured into it. And having to scavenge for stuff now already sucks, let alone it ALL the lore being detached from the game

Hunt is 120% aesthetic, from the guns to the world, feels like shooting yourself in the foot. Menu bloat be damned, lore junkies have begged for it to be fixed, not removed.

[warm quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

You did not just say what I think you just said

[upbeat kiln]

Like in a sweet, wholesome heartwarming way, dude!

Not in a makeshift bonfire kind of way lol

[tiny plover]

Hunt 2.0: THE DEATH OF KNOWLEDGE

David wants you to burn the books, to forget. Never Forget.

[green pollen]

to add onto this, what if they released an immolator to burn down the homestead

[granite shard]

Maybe, but I think the simplest answer might be the most likely with it being just a member of the family engulfed in flames

[real cedar]

I don't think rich people had anything to do with the fire. It was years between the two events and the land seemingly became valuable and desired largely because the Trappers made so much profit that others came to find their secret.

[granite shard]

Regardless of who set the fire I do think that it was much likely more mundane of a cause than anything with an influence from the sculptor. Part of being in the AHA means the mountain man has had a chance to rub elbows with more powerful & connected people so he’s probably managed to find out info based on that stuff

Idk, it could be an immolator or something like that but I think the human element is more likely

[rotund ferry]

Question the tides of the corruption have been hold by for right now and with the drowned will they help control the monsters?

And the corruption in the bayou has it been stopped or we still have to fight there?

Sense the veterans are going somewhere else

[noble scarab]

its still theyre, everyone is just kinda shoving the problem onto the drowned

[ancient bobcat]

[Lore Question] Who is selling all the weapons and tools that hunters are using?

[high stone]

It’s kind of inferred that it’s partially underground gun-running sales (see Carcass Gunrunner) and directly sold by representatives of the AHA (see The silly Statesman trailer), but it’s never explicitly laid out how all those transactions work

I think it would be safe to assume that there are also just private sales between Hunters

[real cedar]

It's a mix of military surplus/prototypes being smuggled in, (Mosin, lebel, Crown & King, Dolch, etc.) civilian sales of domestic firearms, (winfield, sparks) AHA partnerships with manufacturers for bulk sales (Caldwell, Bornheim, custom ammo in general) and hunter-made equipment (bomb lance, avtomat, hive bomb). The Twins from the Bad as They Seem story were said to be blacksmiths that provided plenty of arms for hunters.

[high stone]

Yeah, all the traps definitely seem like Hunter made devices too….not something you could pick out in a catalogue

[granite shard]

Honestly I’d love for them to go in depth on the carcass gunrunner

I think he plays such an invaluable role in the weapon supply chain for the hunters and has to have a million interesting stories they could tell abt him

[real cedar]

You could do an entire Lord of War novel about his exploits, yeah

[high stone]

Right! Smuggling guns seems like it would have to be because he’s moving large numbers and wants to avoid police notice, too

(And I don’t what sort of Jim Crow laws they had in Louisiana in the 1890s with gun ownership)

[granite shard]

I love the I think martini book of weapons storyline

Where the carcass gunrunner sold out the night acolyte

[warm quartz]

He also sold out scrooge and actually helped to kidnap him

But was cordial to the best boy Russel

[green pollen]

I assume either privately bought, or brought over by other companies and immigrant hunters

It’d be kinda unique if buying weapons reflected this, as in out of country weapons brought over would be a lot more expensive (like nagants lebels) compared to in country weapons (like winnys or peacemakers)

[tropic falcon]

Does anybody have screenshots of the two new hunters?

[warm quartz]

While I like less edgy masked hunters

I do not like v*king wank

[tropic falcon]

Oh man I saw a “Mexican” hunter on the steam notes and got interested XD

[real dove]

He's not out yet

not sure why

[tropic falcon]

Oh well they look cool will get em once I get paid

[tropic falcon]

Mayhaps a dlc after the trapers

[real dove]

doubt it, seems odd to have him in the promo and patch notes but not in the game

but will see

[real cedar]

the patch notes have a BB cost for the missing hunter and other skins described in the notes are also missing, just seems like an error

[real dove]

yeah, like something didnt get checked

I think we'll see him get patched in

[warm quartz]

This guy indeed does look interesting

I just hope he doesn't get to be related to the Rat

[granite shard]

with you there tbh, they feel more inspired by the tv show vikings than like

actual historical record stuff

vikings did not have locs

[real cedar]

In a way that fits them, as Sea Wolf and his sister probably know as much about historical vikings as we do

[granite shard]

but basing off of like, modern myths of vikings that popped up in the last half century is my issue

idk I hadn't wanted a viking hunter bc I knew it would be more vikings the tv show than actual vikings

major missed opportunity for a reverse mullet

[warm quartz]

Ewww

[real dove]

I think the weapon and dynamite look cool. spear too. Not big on them, agreed with Smalls, they aren't really true to form. Her hair annoys me

[granite shard]

I'm into the vaquero tho he looks sick

[warm quartz]

This thing disgusts me

Also description says that they have two of these and they fought each other a lot

I don't like this marvel tier fight club

Where everyone fought everyone, but nobody really died

[real dove]

Nobody really died is kinda the whole thing of hunt tho

I like the gun. The braid could go and I'd like it more, feels tacked on

didnt realize the silver isnt inlaid tho

:/

[real cedar]

The description just says they pointed it at each other, sounds like they're reckless quarreling siblings more than actually shooting each other

[tropic falcon]

Or twitch drops

O hope he is not tho I still want another try at getting billy

[granite shard]

he was removed from the patch notes it looks like

guess he was taken out of the build for some reason

[real cedar]

Guess we'll meet Vaquero some other time

[granite shard]

hopefully soon bc he looks great

I'm always a fan of facial scars on a character

[icy brook]

The “Viking” characters are pretty disappointing, but the community has been asking for something like that for years so it is what it is I suppose

[noble scarab]

These guys lore seems super generic, same with the hunters shown in the trailers for the engine update

Basically: this is x they kill people because y

“Something something bayou”

[real cedar]

Same as it ever was tbh, there's plenty of unimportant hunters with unimportant bios, going all the way back to Black Coat and the first legendary hunters

[rare dirge]

I’m sure we get a better look at them with the events and stuff like all those other characters

And various skin descriptions eventually too

[icy brook]

This is more general theme rather than lore, but the tiered skin system seems like it could expedite skin bloat by adding more middle tier skins without really adding anything distinctive

And I guess dilute the lore in a way

[rare dirge]

For every legend there are several thousand corpses but they all start somewhere

Sounds deep and stuff but I think it gives more character personally

I just really dislike the idea of adding rarity’s to skins

The charms spooked me when they switched to that but seeing it be added to skins too just disappoints me (doesn’t surprise me though)

[real dove]

Agreed. I would be fine if it was set up as "Rookies (free)", "Experienced (BB/Leveled up Rookies/SS hunters), and "Legendaries (DLC/Fancy BB Hunters)"

the rarity thing seems so... extra, and pointless

and concerns me some

[worthy nova]

Man, I don’t want to be a bummer, and I love Hunt and Crytek

but these viking skins and vaquero are way off. I’m worried they’ve lost the creative thread to this game

[granite shard]

the vaquero one at least is like, idk something someone reasonably could have worn

but I'm worried they're about to lean way too hard into fanservice

[worthy nova]

also all the ai-like bios from the update characters

Vaquero looks full “mariachi”to me

[granite shard]

okay yeah I do agree that he looks like he's in a mariachi band

I'd want to see his full model before judging too hard tho

[icy brook]

^

[granite shard]

I think the hard thing w the vikings too is like... okay they are for all intents and purposes dedicated reenactors so they're not going to be actually accurate vikings

but also I just am not into the fact that they're playing into 20th/21st century viking reenactor things

[deft storm]

well, the people who thought vikings were a good idea finally got their wish

[warm quartz]

How so?

Vaquero fits right in

Evil thug kinda guy

[deft storm]

Vaquero does look like an AI generated Mariachi.

actually the Vikings look AI generated also...that spear.........

Vaquero looks he's from the first Red Dead, too

what's going on with that weird occlusion shading on the render?

[worthy nova]

I think a hunt vaquero guy would look grungier, beat up clothes, less flashy. More dusty and worn? A lot of new skins look very much like costume-store costumes to me

Should be more cursed and bleak

[deft storm]

DC Comics just pulled Francesco Mattina's covers from their comics because he was using AI. I'll double down, I bet one of the artists is submitting concepts for Hunt is partially made with AI

[real cedar]

Flashy clothing is a cultural thing in Mexico, isn't it? The whole machismo thing.

[worthy nova]

also, it’s absolutely fan-service for ‘this game is a cowboy game’ players

[granite shard]

I wouldn't make wild AI claims without actual evidence tbh

I think more likely it's push from execs to try and hit things based off of what has been commonly requested

[deft storm]

i'm just looking at the small details, it would be really hard to prove

I could be wrong

but still, check out that viking spear

[granite shard]

these are 3d models which would not be generated by AI

[deft storm]

no, I'm talking about 2D concepts

for the modeler to reference

[granite shard]

we don't have the 2D concepts and I think it is incredibly irresponsible to do an AI witchhunt without any proof

[warm quartz]

Nothing wrong with that

[deft storm]

oh I'm not witch hunting, I just have a strong suspicion

[granite shard]

hell, we just had an example this weekend of someone accusing several artists of using AI based off of "well these things--" to their audience of 75k people when they were not AI generated

[warm quartz]

It is a cowboy game

And I really doubt any of these are AI generated

[real cedar]

Thinking something is AI is just kneejerk reaction imo, before the advent of it people would look at something that seems "AI-like" and just saying corporate feeling or phoning it in.

[worthy nova]

I think they can take a vaquero request and filter it through the hunt lens, better. You’re right, I should see the full model first, but…

[upbeat kiln]

Back in the original content plan for Hunt: Showdown, way back in the day, it was actually planned for us to go to Nordic countries and fight the corruption (I'm not sure of the time period - but still 😄 )

[deft storm]

it isn't that

[granite shard]

imo.... we already had something like that w llorona's heir but I guess people just wanted a "proper" vaquero

[deft storm]

that might be cool! I don't know about the viking reenactor costumes though

[worthy nova]

I like her

[granite shard]

I love her, her design is so great

[worthy nova]

Its simple, too

[granite shard]

yeah!

[warm quartz]

Yeah, there is nothing wrong with simplicity

[granite shard]

I think the vaquero has a GREAT face with a lot of character so I'm hoping his full model comes together

[warm quartz]

The only problem with her is her skirt going through the floor

[deft storm]

Artem Shumnik would have done a fantastic job with some bleak towns in Norway or wherever

[upbeat kiln]

I think you mean Denmark, but you're right 😄 ❤️

[deft storm]

I wish Llorona's Heir didn't have a white shirt, that's it

[upbeat kiln]

(It's because Norway sucks lol)

[granite shard]

the white shirt is so you can be a chad

hazmat coming out swinging

[worthy nova]

I still think vaquero should’ve been more hunt style, like lloronas heir, more. Doing like, characters that are stock types is a slippery slope here

[granite shard]

imo the corvids & hex breaker were the start of this

[deft storm]

lmaaooo

i trust Haz' opinion, i am Nordic ignorant

[granite shard]

it's also another thing I noticed where we're getting a lot of "this character's archetype/role but a different gender" (hex breaker <-> witch hunter, corvids <-> plague doc, redneck's daugher <-> redneck, prodigal son <-> prodigal daughter) and also getting more paired male/female hunters for themes (trappers, scrappers, corvids, vikings)

[real cedar]

Yeah, seems like the goal is to promote duo/trio cosplays in game

[granite shard]

idk how to describe it but it feels like things are getting more like

[real dove]

I don't want to start a fight over this- I think that they could have added in Norse themed hunters (NOT VIKINGS) easily and made them fit the "vibe". That being said, not a fan of the new pair. Strongly dislike her hair. or that their whole story to me reads as "We like vikings, so became vikings"

[granite shard]

corporate? like the fanservice w the vikings and the vaquero kinda play into that too

[deft storm]

I think it was guys like Deckhand and unfortunately Bridgewater's Honor. That was when the characters that represent an occupation started coming out

[real dove]

Honor fits the time period

Dunno what the issue with him is

[warm quartz]

I think it's more of the "Hey draw us a trapper character, whoah all of your concept art is so good I think we'll make more than one"

[real dove]

He's a Buffalo soldier, a real thing from that time period

also

marshal brewer? Sheriff? we had plenty of "occupations"

[real cedar]

Deckhand and the drowned crew was the start of the group theming, stock characters have been around since the beginning. Reverend, Hardin, Mountain Man, Phantom, Ronin,

Hmm, actually I guess the Reptilian's two buddies would be the proper start

[granite shard]

and hornback

[real dove]

Wolves

trio

Lonely, dire, luna

other duo dlcs before that too

[granite shard]

I think prodigal son was when I noticed in a negative way due to like, all of the prior skin groups felt pretty natural

[worthy nova]

Was wondering that too, but still

[real dove]

Ja

He was tacked on

[granite shard]

prodigal son stuck out enough that I then thought abt it more

and like none of these skins are bad skins

the viking skins even do their job for the people who really wanted that aesthetic

but idk I never wanted viking skins in game bc I knew they'd look like that 😂

[worthy nova]

Brewer has the eyepatch gray short hair, long black coat, is female - she feels unusual for a marshall at the time, in a slightly spooky way

Deckhand does feel like a stock sailor type

[real dove]

She's not a marshall anymore

[worthy nova]

Cmon

[real dove]

was simply making a point that we had plenty of "occupation" hunters

[worthy nova]

That’s missing the point

[real dove]

sorry

[granite shard]

I agree that we're starting to push a little hard into the fantasy of things

[real dove]

Was simply pointing out that you were missing my point 🙂

she still fits the vibe to me

[granite shard]

I don't think the point is that she doesn't fit the vibe

I think ingram is saying that she does fit the vibe and they adapted the occupation of "woman who's a marshall" well into the world of the hunters

[rare dirge]

I still think they did a beautiful job on the Mountie he is everything I ever dreamed of (and he was a fairy recent DLC)

[granite shard]

yeah the mountie looks great

[rare dirge]

I haven’t lost hope in good skins

[granite shard]

imo he fits into hunt rly well bc like marshall brewer they were like

"okay so he's a mountie but how does he fit into the hunt world?"

[real cedar]

I think they're still coming out with good skins and haven't changed their ways all that much, the grouping dynamic and increased output being the big changes. Some skins will be silly and not advance the theme, like Santa and Scarecrow, but they don't get to be important anyway.
I expect Vaquero to be good, don't think he's fanservice at all.

[worthy nova]

She = marshall brewer?

[rare dirge]

Mounties fit into that whole sheriff type thing

[granite shard]

and I still do think some of the more "fantasy" skins are great-- I LOVE corvid brood & the hex breaker, they're some of my favorite skins

[rare dirge]

Law enforcement officers thrown into a lawless land

Fun stuff

[worthy nova]

Brewer HAS an occupation, but she doesn’t LOOK like ONLY her occupation

deckhand does, to me

[real dove]

I guess that's gonna be opinionated then

cause I think Hardin looks like he's just a hardass sheriff

[worthy nova]

i feel like theres an extra level of (hunt style) visual characterization needed for the newer hunters. Crytek can do better (and has already)

[real dove]

Will agree with that

I'm worried we are going into very shallow gameplay

without the depth of lore and love that we had up until recently

[rare dirge]

New map is promising at least

[deft storm]

a lot of players said "put a Buffalo Soldier in!" without thinking about the context and theming in Hunt. They just see it as a cowboy pvp arena. The players just want a buffalo Soldier uniform they can put on their character.

Brewer looks like she has her own personality AND she's a (former) Marshall

[granite shard]

tbh I don't want to catastrophize too much without us getting like full evidence as to what we're getting into with the update

[real dove]

I don't understand what you think the theme of hunt is

and how he doesn't fit in

[worthy nova]

Sorry, were you saying part of her characterization is that she’s an ex marshall?

Sorry if so, you’re right and I agree - I thought you were just correcting me haha

[rare dirge]

Well I mean I think that guy fits in pretty well

Could be like the prodigal daughter where like one of their parents was a buffalo warrior and they just wear the stuff

Or a veteran who dawns their old gear and heads out to the bayou

[deft storm]

Like, any Tier 1-3 base Hunter could be an ex Buffalo Soldier. Players just want THAT uniform in their game, even if it's an awkward fit.

[rare dirge]

Either way I could place someone like that in the bayou around this time for sure

[deft storm]

sure but that's the point, the occupation doesn't code the look of the character

[rare dirge]

Yeah that’s why I said they could just be dawning one of their parents uniforms or something

[deft storm]

making the Bartender guy have bottles all over him is weird and cartoonish, it's like a sarcastic joke

"BUT HE"S A BART ENDER!"

[real cedar]

That's the nature of visual language, you can't take a T2 skin and just say he's a bartender, that does nothing

[deft storm]

no, it's a character design choice

[granite shard]

yeah I agree with you. there's a certain level of prop needed to convey some things

[deft storm]

sure, and it can be very subtle. Take brewers badge away. Would you know she's a Marshall (former)

[rare dirge]

I always thought hunt did a good job representing Cultures and professions through the appearance and clothing and whatnot

These newest Vikings feel a bit lacking but im sure they will make more bangers

[deft storm]

Bridgewater could have his hat and another item that show his past..but giving him is FULL kit like he just got back to camp in Nort Dakota after a battle is very on the nose

but the players WANT it

[real cedar]

Eh, it's the same way that the reverend wouldn't go into the bayou in his vestments but he's not really a reverend if he's just wearing a cross.

[rare dirge]

I don’t see a lot of bridgewater users but he is one of my personal favourites

[warm quartz]

While I can't say that Bridgewater is my favorite skin, he is one of the more interesting lore-wise

[deft storm]

Bridgewater looks cool for sure, just saying that was the start of a slide toward putting a guy in the game who went crazy playing baseball, and Vikings from a different game

[warm quartz]

He clearly isn't a hunter, just a guy who's good at guns

[real dove]

oh man i forgot about baseball dude

there's the origin of weird skins that dont fit

[real cedar]

I'd say Plague Doctor was the origin. After him you start getting Beast Hunter, Headsman, Reptilian, Devil's Advocate

[real dove]

Dunno, he fits better to me than some of these guys running around in the swamps in full fur