lore-discussion

[real dove]

I suspect Statesman will end up getting merc'ed by Hardin as event hunters don't really appear past their event

Or we'll get a different skin of him

[granite shard]

tbh I'd like to see that change and us see the event hunters more after their events

I think the statesman would be a good way to start that change since he's still around and tied to the backers

[real dove]

Yeah. Like, limit that skin, but change it- like the broods

corvids

plague docs

Viper would be easy too, just add another mask

[granite shard]

imo the skin doesn't even need to come back

like the characters don't just stop existing just bc people can't get the skin anymore, let them exist in the lore and take part of it

[real dove]

That's what I mean. Don't need the event skins to return, just reskin the character

OH

have them appear in the lore but not come back physically

I can't read

true. I'd love them to drop more little lore bits, like the Q&As

[granite shard]

yeah I don't really care abt them coming back in the game I just want them to not disappear in the lore haha

[real dove]

trth

Well, could very well have Hardin kill his sugar daddy

he was already thinking about it

[gilded umbra]

What could be the significance of showing Blood Moon the legendary weapon today? 🤔

[real dove]

I hope it's a reference to us getting a WW boss, I think it's just a DLC plug

[granite shard]

it's part of that wolf themed DLC so maybe the wolf pack will get a narrative focus

I doubt we'll be getting a werewolf boss even tho I desperately want one

[real dove]

I think we'll see Lonely be the primal lead

or whatever the pact name is for new map

Pack Pact

I wanna desperately think it's not just a DLC plug

And is in fact a hint to the future where Hardin gets eaten by a Giant Wolf

[granite shard]

I think DLC plug is the funniest answer

[real dove]

"Discord up in flames waiting for news? Let's plug an over 3 years old DLC!"

I did look that up, april 2021 Wolf at the Door dropped

Man, I'd be frothing at the mouth if they actually are hinting to a WW boss. Hire that dude who did the fanmade Blood Moon trailer with Haz in it. That was a dope edit and I definitly made an IRL poster from it for my campaign (pulled the WW boss out, kept the poster cause obv)

[real dove]

I will say that having Wolf'sbane as the 48BB sale weapon is SUS af

seems tooooooooooooo close

[amber harbor]

Didn't they also have some moon themed clock in the engine update update teaser?

[real dove]

OH i didnt catch that. And Wolf'sbane is on sale...

O.O

Eh, not really moon themed

Just a clock to me

[amber harbor]

Nvm, no moon, but i distinctly remember a clock with the phases of the moon

idk from where tho

Dementia probably

[real dove]

dunno. I just hope it means WW boss coming.

Can agree to that, I swear i saw a photo of Pdaughter and Pseverussnape looking at each other but have not seen it at all

now think i just dreamt it

Or we are gonna have a very WOlf themed pack. The Pack Pact if you would

Or we are getting trolled, and it's just a plug for an old DLC.

[noble scarab]

That’s from our boy kev’s trailer for the inferno event

[green pollen]

Rougarou...

[real dove]

Yeah. Tho with us going away from NOLA, i think odds of that have decreased a bit...

[high stone]

I hope there’s no werewolf, they need another abomination

[real dove]

I had a thought. So, imo, I don't think that a single mosquito (or even a swarm of them) traveled to the new map. So what if all the bounties we have collected and presumably sent off are going to the new map... And thus, we'll have regional versions of the bosses and grunts and such?

[granite shard]

I think a werewolf could be a really cool abomination in the sense that I don’t think a proper werewolf could exist… but the attempts at making someone become one would be sick

[real dove]

YES

[granite shard]

Like imagine the twisted body of someone partially shifted, jaw elongated enough to be inhuman but still recognizable, fucked up limbs, stuff like that

That sort of in between shift where the body couldn’t become a wolf but someone sure as hell tried to make someone become one

[real dove]

I don't want a real ww in the normal sense. Give me a flesh wolf abomination that isn't eight

Right*

[high stone]

I hear you…you know what, I change my mind, a frankensteined wolfman wild target might be pretty horrible and great……..really though I just want more to branch off the core monster plot points, the the husks, insects, risen undead, worms, infernal stuff, etc

[granite shard]

I think a mix would be ideal

[high stone]

Hmmm, maybe!

[granite shard]

There’s just so many cool things they could do

Like a lot of ways they can riff on classic ideas

[high stone]

I don’t want it to feel shoe-horned in there, whatever it is

[granite shard]

Yeah I get you

That’s why I don’t want an actual werewolf tbh

It wouldn’t make sense w the world

[high stone]

I was just reading about the rougarou thing, i guess it was just a fable carried over from France anyway

[granite shard]

Makes sense

[high stone]

I honestly don’t think they need to riff on classic ideas, there’s so much already in the game for the core monster mythos….but they haven’t expanded/elaborated on it much

[granite shard]

I just love seeing how things can be subverted or done in unique ways

Like w the spider not being a giant spider but a fucked up body amalgamation

[high stone]

I would consider the Spider part of the core monster group though, since it was one of the first few monsters! But, It would kind of silly if instead they slapped a Bigfoot in there with some paper wasp nest on it

[granite shard]

That’s kinda what I mean tho— the spider being an interesting and unique take on a core monster

Idk I’m so curious to see what future boss plans they have cooking

[real dove]

I could see some fucked up animal human hybrid with the benefactors tho

They've been getting allllll these bounties

For what?

Gotta be making their own monsters. Running their own experiments

So, while to a degree it's a scrapbeak clone, I think having a boss that's a messed up human animal blend wouldn't be odd

I suspect that if Lynch does become a boss, that's exactly what she'll be

[high stone]

Ohh you mean classic monster like a B-movie giant spider

[granite shard]

Yeah like big scary spider I feel is like

Low hanging monster fruit

[high stone]

Thought you meant like mythical or tall tall creatures, like cryptids

[warm quartz]

Prodigal Son uses Russian dynamite 🇷🇺🧨 💪

[glossy zealot]

Is it this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelignite

found googling the german name in the pic https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprenggelatine

[warm quartz]

No idea what sprenggflatine means, but the text roughly translates as "Institute* of purchase and selling of explosives -- tsartskoye selo's explosives factory -- department of explosives"

*it actually says society, but I think insitute is more appropriate

Or a department

[real cedar]

Interesting that it's Russian dynamite, a small hint at how far Richard Burton went when he lived as a dead man.

[warm quartz]

I doubt he smuggled dynamite from Russia up his arse

I think they're returning to the Brusilov's weapon smuggling plot point

[topaz light]

Interesting it uses the German word up front as a label and then russian text. Was German common in 1890s Russia?

[warm quartz]

Not really

[topaz light]

Also considering that Spränggelatine was also another Alfred Nobel invention

[topaz light]

My inside sources say this translation is fine 😄

[real cedar]

oh wait nevermind I screwed up my copy pastes 😂

They call it rattlesnake jelly though, prety good name for it

[winter basalt]

And here i hoped it was just named exploding rubber

[warm quartz]

Is exploding rubber such a stretch

[rotund ferry]

May have been some sort of sign of quality to use the German title similar to how we sometimes call products by their brand name. Or an import product.

[warm quartz]

Forgive the pun

[warm quartz]

Absurd

[rotund ferry]

With Germany and Russia bordering on each other during that time, the simple explanation may by that it was produced in Germany to be sold in Russia. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Or Crytek just wanted to get another gun easter egg in there

[topaz light]

The dynamite and the explosive gelatine was patented by Nobel, which was produced by Nitroglycerin Aktiebolaget.

[rotund ferry]

Yes

But he wasn't the sole producer of course

[topaz light]

His company was, which is why he got very rich for his time

He had 93 companies

from 1894 the number was 93*

Also weird it wasn't the waxed dynamite since it's supposed to be water proof

[rotund ferry]

Apparently he did give some licenses to other companies, like the Giant Powder Company in the US. But overall you're right, it was mostly his own companies.

Ohh apparently Nobel invented and first sold Dynamite in Germany. He had three factories in Germany: Krümmel, Dünnwald and Berlin.
And there were some countries producing Dynamite where Nobel failed to secure the patent in time.

[topaz light]

Was that outside of europe?

[rotund ferry]

Possibly, the website I found doesn't specify

[topaz light]

Since this is also alternative timeline, it's completely possible for russian dynamites reaching america

Still weird its not a skin for waxed though

[rotund ferry]

True

[warm quartz]

Factory being mentioned slightly implies that it was manufactured there

[deft storm]

Is this an alternative timeline? I thought most of the weapon naming changes were for (forgiveable) copyright type reasons.....also the equipment smuggling happening in a lot of Hunt could explain the Russian dynamite....purchasing locally can leave trails for nosy people...

I think Hunt is just "unknown events" in our normal timeline

[real dove]

I'd say it's pretty alt timeline

[deft storm]

naaah

[real dove]

even with louisiana event being retconned

or appearing to be

since that was a lot of stuff from the gov n stuff

[thin hawk]

Gentlemen, were there any guesses regarding new biome and map?

[real dove]

North west, in the rockies/edge of rockies

gotta be

[thin hawk]

I can add little prediction

Speculative, but not without the evidence

[real dove]

Well we have some evidence with the end of deso wake

[thin hawk]

Yes indeed

They're headed west

What is west from Louisiana?

Texas

[real dove]

nah, west and north

they see tall trees

[thin hawk]

Rocky canyons, hot sun, all that jazz

[real dove]

yeah. they go through desert, but end up in a place with tall tall trees

[thin hawk]

Ok, that evaded my attention

[real dove]

All good 🙂 a few of us have picked over it super heavily lol

[orchid tangle]

I know the drilling is named after the german combination gun but isn't the model also a russian gun? I thought it was weird at first they chose a russian gun for him since he's US army but the dynamite being russian makes it seem more important.

[thin hawk]

Would be super rad tho

Gunfights in the old spagetti-western-like towns

[real dove]

I wouldnt mind having an area that's got some desert to it

[thin hawk]

Cool stuff, but hopium aside - it's not likely to happen

[real dove]

I just reallllllly dont want to have an all desert map

[thin hawk]

Entire portion pf a map as heaven for snipers

Scary stuff

[real dove]

that's ehy lol

why

[orchid tangle]

this is why I've said they need a plains map

not a single building just a big open plains because fuck everyone

[real dove]

I think we'll get some dope woods, my question is are we getting a winter map or a spring/summer one

[thin hawk]

Winter map would be amazind. Imagine all of the rules twisted

Different sound of footsteps

[real dove]

dunno. I have mixed feelings on it

will see

[thin hawk]

Little sliding on ice

[real dove]

good news tho, not a lot of swamp out there

at least where Ive been

more desalle style in terms of water

[thin hawk]

Since DeSalle is the best map, period - news are good indeed

[real dove]

Agreed

Im excited to see the ai

Like if we get regionally changed bosses

[thin hawk]

I'll be sad if there' no new bosses

[deft storm]

The whole thing that makes the Hunt concept appealing is that it’s grounded in realism: the unique paranormal thing happening in a realistic setting….the realism makes Sci-Fi or Horror believable, enhancing how scary it is.

Most details compliment that realism (gun operation, environment design, etc. ) Obvious exceptions for gameplay include fast healing, resurrecting…etc.

Keeping it in our timeline just reinforces believability….saying it’s an alternate timeline (unbelievable, since none of us really know alt. timelines to exist irl) just removes a lot of the stakes for the horror.

There are no benefits to calling it an alternate timeline, except to cop out/excuse bad writing.

[deft storm]

I'm hoping for Stillwater Bayou 2

[thin hawk]

Corrupted giant panther? Multiheaded bear?

Gimme moar

[warm quartz]

Drilling is hunt original gun

[thin hawk]

Snakes! Big ball of snakes

[orchid tangle]

oh interesting

[deft storm]

no?

[thin hawk]

Why so?

[orchid tangle]

not accepting gun operation till scopes positions get fixed

[worthy nova]

What do you mean by scopes positions?

[deft storm]

Stillwater is a great Hunt map, represents Hunt's swampy idea the best....I understand everyone has played it to death but Desalle is also a weird swamp/high desert combo to satisfy the Cowboy Kids

Desalle is still kind of fun, but weird

[thin hawk]

Ok, I get it

[orchid tangle]

some of the scopes are positioned where the bullet ejector will just hit it against the scope, possible falling right back into the gun

[thin hawk]

Oh, clever observation actually

[celest temple]

are we ever given a year as to when the current setting is?

[worthy nova]

Oh! Okay. I know they corrected the sparks reload awhile ago, I’m sure they may change those if hassled enough…

[deft storm]

yeah I'm not arguing about that stuff, i agree...it's WILD how caught up people get in the accuracy of the gun operation details though, and then ALSO say Hunt is a fantasy or alt timeline, like Dishonored or Fallout

[granite shard]

we're at the tail end of 1895

[deft storm]

ya'll ever read H.P. Lovecraft

[granite shard]

it's been said the new map takes us into 1896

november 1895 was given as as a date in tide of corruption somewhere, can't remember exactly where

[celest temple]

so it's 1895 and the Mauser C96 was made in 1896

yeah that makes sense

[real dove]

It's just my opinion, I think hunt is an alt timeline. There's enough stuff to be true to our world, but also enough that there's no way it is our world, in my opinion

[granite shard]

a lot of gun explanations are also that they're prototypes

not to mention the gun is called the dolch in game and not the mauser c96 so there's wiggle room

[deft storm]

That's the "unknown events" part...this is a story about something that happened in the past that is unknown to the general public. It is super-natural, it's intriguing because you didn't think it could happen, but it is.

[celest temple]

I mean obviously with the whole corruption stuff but yeah I see your point, plus there'd have to be enough already manufactured and distributed to country of oirign militaries to the point where they have a surplus and are willing to sell their guns out

[real dove]

There's links to real events, like the hurricane that drove the Delphine into the LOD, but also there's stuff (IMO!!!) that points to it not being in the same universe we are in

Wut

[celest temple]

so I think you're right, it must be in this alternate timeline that the foreign guns have been service already so hence why ragtag mercenaries are able to buy them

[real dove]

We have gunsmiths using hunt as testing ground

Not unlikely to have 'prototypes' as Smalls said

[celest temple]

that is true as well

[granite shard]

there are people in the game who smuggle guns (carcass gunrunner) and the AHA had high connections, alongside people like the backers who are more than flush with cash

[real dove]

Tho I don't much pay attention to the gun stuff in that regard

Tbf

Dunno. We had real characters at the start of hunt. But a Lot of that has been quietly retconned, since KKK

[deft storm]

There are a TON of ways they could get their hands on foreign guns, that's all up to clever writing

If you can't imagine it, doesn't mean the entire universe is alternate

[real dove]

Think this is gonna be an agreement to disagree

[celest temple]

or Crytek could always just pull a Games Workshop and say "oh yeah with this new map bringing us into this specific year, then these guns that have been in the game for a while have actually just been introduced into the setting, so in reality no one was actually weilding a dolch until this update"

[real dove]

Gods no

[celest temple]

lmao

[deft storm]

I mean, people can always changed their minds! That's what discussions are for, and the responsibility of each person is to interrogate their own ideas/motives

[celest temple]

I'm just joking about that

[granite shard]

I just don't understand why having a gun that's a year out is a massive sticking point in believability when there's already a lot of explanations for how prototypes weapons get into the field in the game

lol

[real dove]

Chuh. But none of the maps exist irl. Desalle can't actually exist at all

[granite shard]

the avto is one weapon where it's specifically pointed out that it's a prototype in the field

[deft storm]

thank you!

[celest temple]

I simply forgot that a lot of them are mass manufactured prototypes

[real dove]

Yeah, I put the guns not being timeline accurate as in prototype/having gunsmiths who work hand in hand with the aha

[granite shard]

they're not even that mass manufactured lol it could be that only like three people in canon have the gun

[celest temple]

that's also a custom gun just like the officer carbine, it's not actually a gun that was mass produced by an imperial power

[granite shard]

I mean there likely weren't a lot of random americans running nagant pistols back in the 1890s as well

[celest temple]

yeah, I also forget that there is a divide between gameplay and world cannon

[granite shard]

like people make prototypes that get used, guns get imported, there's many ways for things to enter the bayou

[celest temple]

I mean Butch Cassidy did rob a train with a nitro express rifle for shits and giggles so... lmao

[granite shard]

ok

[celest temple]

or at least the story goes

I get your point though

and you're right I didn't immediately think about those factors

[deft storm]

Big point of important on the Nagant pistols - they have a cylinder action that moves forward to seal the firing chamber and traps all the gas exiting through the barrel....it's the only way they could use that Silencing device they put on it....so that may have been the big initial driving force for including a Nagant

[celest temple]

is that why the gasser pistol is called the gasser pistol, I know it inspired the design for the nagant pistol

or was it inspired by the design?

[deft storm]

not familiar with it

[celest temple]

the Austro Hungarians used it

it looks a lot like the nagant pistol

[deft storm]

maybe it's it! idk

[granite shard]

the nagant pistol is a real pistol, from russia. probable that the gunsmiths were inspired by the gasser

[celest temple]

ok so the Gasser revolver was made in 1870 whilst the nagant pistol was made in 1895 so I think the Russian gunsmiths received inspiration from the gasser

[deft storm]

cool

[celest temple]

it's called Gasser because it was made by a guy named Leopold Gasser

who does not have his own wikipedia page

poor guy

so according to the wiki page, the Gasser revolver did not rely on gas like the Nagant 1895, it instead relied on a series of pins, I don't know too much as to the specifics of how guns work so I'm kinda lost right now lol

but yeah

[real dove]

Idk y'all are talking math rn to me

[celest temple]

anyways

the Gasser revolver would actually be kinda cool to see in the game

I mean it would probably end up being similar to the nagant pistol but either way it'd be cool to see an Austro-Hungarian gun in the game

wait a minute the Lee Enfield rifle could even be added to the game

[warm quartz]

Yes, drilling is actually the name for this kind of gun configuration as in three bores therefore "triplet"

[celest temple]

why hasn't the Lee Enfield been added? that would have been a perfect gun for the Mounty

[warm quartz]

Like nitro rifles, they were manufactured by small companies and so there are many different drillings around the world

So many types, but oh so little actual guns

[celest temple]

still waiting on that reverse drilling lol

[real cedar]

That model is a German gun, the M30 Luftwaffe Drilling from WW2, though the number of shotgun and rifle barrels are switched. It's got the same caliber etched on the top of the gun and everything, 9.3 x 74r
Since it's a future gun but able to be made in the past it probably isn't really from anywhere specific in-universe.

[worthy nova]

I think he was confused what you meant when you said the drilling is a “hunt original” gun

[real cedar]

There was a russian version, the TOZ-28, but it was chambered in 7.62x38mm

[warm quartz]

Drilling we use in hunt is hunt original

[worthy nova]

Do you mean that configuration : 1 shotgun, 2 medium?

[warm quartz]

No, I mean the gun itself

There certainly were 2-shotgun bores drillings

[worthy nova]

Do you mean it wasn’t a real gun?

[celest temple]

so we get a WW2 rifle/shotgun but the idea of a Tommy gun goes right out the window, Imma throw temper tantrum jk

[deft storm]

I am still confused by what you mean

[warm quartz]

Drilling means gun with three bores

[celest temple]

I waiting for my Prussian hunter with the pickelhaube and the uniform and the Kaiser Wilhelm mustache

[deft storm]

I thought you were saying the Drilling/3 bore gun was made up by Crytek for Hunt

uh..

[celest temple]

put a drilling handcannon with dual dolches on that guy

[real cedar]

Drilling handcannon and dolch claw or deadeye to give new guns some skins

[worthy nova]

So how is it original to hunt?

[celest temple]

or you could do a berthier riposte with dual dolch claws or a dolch precision

hell let's just make the Prussian look like a clone of Kaiser Wilhelm

exact replica

just for the memes

[deft storm]

for the memes

[celest temple]

exactly

I said the same thing back when they did that fake trailer for april fools

[worthy nova]

Meme stuff is funny until Nicki Minaj or tier 3 cat head for a head hunters are running around the bayou

[celest temple]

I'm over here like "Why not? this is amazing, you mean I could go into the swamps of 1890s Louisiana as a Roman Centurion and hack zombies and velociraptors to bits?"

[celest temple]

then just don't do a Fortnite

[warm quartz]

OK you see

Uhhhh

Like if they made a lever action rifle and added it to hunt

And called it "Lever-action"

[celest temple]

make it silly but don't make it so stupid that you can't stand the game

[warm quartz]

Lever action guns we have in the game are all irl guns

Winchester 1873 and whatnot

There is no irl drilling like the one in hunt

[worthy nova]

Im sort of anti-silly for this game though.

I think that’s a slippery slope, idk

[celest temple]

a lever action rifle in Hunt Showdown? what are you mad? this is a shotgun/bow/melee game, essentially Mordhau with shotguns, at what point have you ever been shot by a bullet?

[warm quartz]

Sure, there are three bored guns, and there are three bored guns with two shotgun/one rifled bores

[real cedar]

So far the silliest we've gotten is a guy in his underwear and a piece of driftwood as a weapon, so we're doing alright.

Maybe the old lady counts too

[celest temple]

oh no definitely not for this game, maybe a seperate game though

[real dove]

The day hunt starts adding silly/ Goofy stuff that doesn't fit the vibe and will definitely be a sad day

[orchid tangle]

I only like the silly stuff like redneck because you can see it happening.

Like he's funny but that's something you can see happening. An old farmer defending himself with an arsenal refusing to leave his home.

[celest temple]

and a prostitute in her undies

[granite shard]

yeah the silly things have been grounded enough to work

[real dove]

I still do want a tiny paper crown for raw jaw

[deft storm]

whhat

[celest temple]

don't forget the medieval executioner and santa clause

[real dove]

If the spider can have socks, surely she can have a little tiny cardboard crown

[real cedar]

oh yeah, santa clause definitely takes the top spot

[real dove]

I'm in. The biggest issue is we have dudes running around in heavy fur jackets and fucking Louisiana swamp land

[deft storm]

yeah he's funny, and the limit I'd say

[granite shard]

coal bearer/corvids/hex breaker are pretty much as far as I want them to go in the like "this is the fantasy" idea

like hex breaker works bc he's cool but he's just on this side of the line of too far for me

[celest temple]

I'd take her seriously if she was wearing clothes. If Lulu was a guy, it'd be a dude in tighty whities with a jacket on

[warm quartz]

How so?

[real dove]

We have a dude wearing only underwear

I guess he could be given a jacket

[warm quartz]

Member of a cult dedicated to fighting EvIl

[celest temple]

yeah I know and they're completely brown and stained

[deft storm]

If you look up the real Solomon Kane he's kind of cool and could fit Hunt (if he time traveled)...Hex Breaker is just too over-designed...

[real dove]

This appears to be accurate

[granite shard]

I think his outfit is just very over the top as a all leather van helsing sort of thing

[celest temple]

fuck it, I want Gentlemen Ghost from D.C. or Jericho Cross from Darkwatch

[granite shard]

I really enjoy him a lot, that's why I said he's on this side of the line

[deft storm]

Headsman is just a creepy cult guy with an axe, nothing medieval except the reference to black hood

[granite shard]

like he's almost going too far but he works

[real dove]

There were definitely things happening historically

Hood things

[celest temple]

I will not rest until I get a gothic vampire cowboy

with a sledgehammer rocket launcher

[orchid tangle]

thats just how I dress irl

[granite shard]

honestly ideal irl fashion sense

one day I will achieve my goal of dressing like the villain of a western who's also a werewolf or a vampire

[deft storm]

Van Helsing 2004 maybe....too much cheese, too much swag.....Van Helsing from the 1992 Dracula would be better

[celest temple]

literally you

[real dove]

Come on! Smalls, werewolf

[granite shard]

take that back, 2004 van helsing is the peak

[real dove]

Vampires are so overdone

[deft storm]

lol....I can't, not for Hunt

i'm sure it's enjoyable on its own

(like The Mummy with Frasier)

[granite shard]

haha

[deft storm]

The Mummy is great

[celest temple]

oh my god brilliant idea

Elvis

[real dove]

No

[celest temple]

in Hunt showdown

...

[real dove]

Definitely not

[celest temple]

It's brilliant

[real dove]

Hate it

[celest temple]

Fat Elvis too

[upbeat kiln]

come on bro

[real dove]

Really hate it

[celest temple]

like 60s elvis

[upbeat kiln]

Jailhouse Rock

it's perfect

[real dove]

Nope

[deft storm]

no no, the Mummy movie is fun

[celest temple]

omg are you the dude who does all those Hunt Showdown lore videos?

[deft storm]

wait what

[real dove]

Lol

[upbeat kiln]

Senator Palpatine's cousin 😄

[real dove]

Imposter

Toss him into space

[celest temple]

holy shit it is you

oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, I'm totally fanboying right now

[real dove]

You didn't know Haz lurks in the lore chat?

[celest temple]

somebody pinch me, I think I'm dreaming

[upbeat kiln]

I'm just here to contribute to silly ideas that might slightly annoy Alpacalix lol

[real dove]

Nah, you've told me beat the dead horse of we need more lore several times

[celest temple]

and he has the same interests as me OH MY GAWWWD

[real dove]

Helped me not told me. Good Lord Google

Well if y'all get Elvis I better get raw jaw crowns

[celest temple]

I'm like a teen girl meeting Nick Johnas in 2014

[upbeat kiln]

If Elvis doesn't get a consumable burger, will it even matter?

[real dove]

Yes because my beloved Gator will still have her crown

[celest temple]

medkit skin

[upbeat kiln]

Man I can't wait for the lore for that burger

[real dove]

Lol

Only if kill buyer is the one that provides the beat for it

Meat

[celest temple]

I can't wait for the lore of Elvis in Louisiana in the 1890s

[real dove]

Buttercup Burger

[upbeat kiln]

lol

[real dove]

Freshest horse meat money could buy

[deft storm]

I bet Cain has tasted some fresher horse meat

[real dove]

You right, bro. Probably just rips the legs right off of the poor things

[orchid tangle]

the reason they scream at us in the first place

[real dove]

He and kilbar are the reason there's so many dead horses on the maps

It was never the grunts

[celest temple]

he's gonna be like "aww man I think I mighta ate something real nasty over there, uh huh, suddenly traveled back in time"

[real dove]

Next map is going to have two slaughter houses

[celest temple]

it's funnier if you heard me do the impression

[worthy nova]

So the configuration (2 medium / 1 shotgun) is original to hunt, you’re saying?

[celest temple]

Imagine if Elvis got a weapon skin for every one of his songs, bro becomes the most dedicated character in Hunt for development

[real dove]

I'm super happy they're going back and giving older characters new weapons

Been cool to get new little additions to their lore that way

[celest temple]

for instance an Elvis gun could be a Drilling (either regular drilling or a variant) with a suede wrapping dyed blue and call it "Blue Suede"

[real dove]

Did we get the gun hail Mary gave to witchhunter?

Blue suede shoots?

Lol

[celest temple]

perfect

[real dove]

Not going to lie Uber hater of having cloth wrapped around weapons

[warm quartz]

No

[high stone]

Yes, me too

[real dove]

That stuff wouldn't last long in the swamp

And also just looks tacky

I really hope they stick with nice clean, pretty guns for a bit

[celest temple]

what about if it's being used in other environments

[real dove]

Still looks tacky

In my opinion

[celest temple]

specifically with intricate engravings in the metal

[worthy nova]

I guess I still don’t know what you mean by hunt original then

[high stone]

It’s cool on Hailstorm, but it looks more durable, and it’s for camouflage

[celest temple]

I understand that

[real dove]

That's the sniper right?

[celest temple]

yeah

[high stone]

Yes

[real dove]

I didn't mind it cuz it felt for a while. That was the only one that had it and it was limited time

Now there's a bunch in my opinion. They don't look good

I love the simplicity of carvings, engraved metal, combination of the both

[high stone]

No, they look weird, like they’re going to fall right off

[celest temple]

dye it white in a winter map and call it "White Death"

Simo Haya would be proud

[high stone]

For a WWII game maybe

[real dove]

We are hopefully going to an area with less mud so in theory there would be less weapons covered in mud and nasty

[celest temple]

"Hunt: World War" the sequel game

The corruption affects the entire world

and the world powers must band together to withstand the corruption

takes place from 1912 to 1948

basically one massive world war time stamp

a true war to end all wars

[worthy nova]

Drilling configurations (plus there were a load of custom combination guns made)

[celest temple]

ranging from many environments from the Ardennes to Siberia, Sahara desert to Vietnam jungles, from the swamps of Louisiana to the villa plains of Italy

[high stone]

Just go play any of the 300 world war games

[warm quartz]

I was mistaken, for some reason I thought hunt has drilling with two-shotgun bores

[celest temple]

alright alright, I'm gonna go play my heavily modded Fallout 4 Arnold Schwarzenegger playthrough

[warm quartz]

But it was just an example

What I'm saying is there is no irl analogue to Hunt's drilling

There is no such model of drilling

[worthy nova]

Bottom right config in middle 4 ‘drilling’ configs above is a hunt analog I believe (two bullets, one shotgun).

[warm quartz]

There are drillings with two rifled bores and one shotgun bore

But they aren't exactly the same as the one in hunt

[worthy nova]

oh, how are they different

[real cedar]

Several guns are based on real ones but are tweaked a bit. The Mako is meant to be a Marlin Model 1895 but the design is actually a modern copy with a bigger loop.

The Caldwell Conversion is closer to what you'd call a Hunt original cause it's an amalgamation of three different Colt revolvers.

[celest temple]

honestly I would love to see more lever action rifles in the game such as
The Colt Ring Lever Rifles
The Evans Repeating Rifle
The Henry Rifle
Savage Model 1895 or 1899
The Spencer Repeating Rifle

etc.

[noble scarab]

If crytek weren’t cowards we’d have more wacky melee weapons like the bomb lance

[celest temple]

I made a suggestion in the suggestion ideas channel one time for a Bomb lance harpoon ammo, yk like just regular hooked harpoons that you could recover like bolts and arrows

[worthy nova]

Springfield compact crossbow, pls

or romero handcannon crossbow, but itd have to break open sideways

[celest temple]

I made that a while ago so the devs either didn't see it (which tells me they don't check the suggestion ideas channel) or don't want it

[celest temple]

what?

you mean like a crossbow attached to the gun?

or the gun turned into a crossbow

[worthy nova]

Yeah, like crossbow on top, romero hand cannon underneath. I guess romero could reload the regular way if the crossbow is mounted on the wood handle. Barrel would just fold down

[celest temple]

yk what would be cool? a "Zhuge" variant for the Crossbow

I mean knowing Carcass Gunrunner and the other gun smiths, nothing's stopping them from creating a repeater crossbow modification

maybe you could fire like 3 bolts at once

[worthy nova]

Was wondering about that too

double crossbow, at least

or yeah, repeater

quicker reload crossbow

[celest temple]

even though it wasn't super effective in ancient china, using the technology of the 1890s you could create a much more efficient design

I mean they were able to create a similar mechanism with the Ironside and Alamo variants of the Martini Henry and the Romero (although it isn't actually a repeater mechanism, it's more acts like a magazine)

[worthy nova]

yeah! Exactly

[celest temple]

although they did create a repeater mechanism for the Vetterli (although it worked much differently, because it's essentially a "slide" mechanism like that of modern pistols)

but still

if the gunsmiths in the lore could do that

nothing's stopping them from creating a repeater crossbow

the repeater crossbow would essentially be a crossbow version of the avtomat

not in mechanism just in the idea of shooting burst fire

[high stone]

Hello Tib - this is true

Also there would be workbenches in the menu where I could attach a deadeye scope and trauma weight to a Mosin bayonet

[upbeat kiln]

Still waiting on my foldable pocket-trebuchet

[real dove]

hand cannon, as in small hand sized cannon

I got Big Stick

Bigger Stick (Bomblance stick skin) next?

[warm quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJFaJ2tiErI

Bro is thinking about his sister every time he kills somebody

They are all prodigal

As in prodigal with their remaining brain cells

[tiny plover]

lol

Hey I was trying to find any source on Iron Masks in history other than Jerusalem for Leppercy or fuckin Robert Downey Jr

[granite shard]

I want to know how the two of them independently came to the wear an iron mask decision

[tiny plover]

I cant find any mention of Iron Masks + Civil War, or martial history at all really.
Just curious if they have any historical grounding. I think some police/swat use facemasks in the Pacific regions today. Some Ned Kelly's here and there

lol

Runs in the Family I guess

(Generational Trama)

[granite shard]

Like doylist answer is suits said since she’s super popular, make prodigal daughter 2

And so we got prodigal daughter 2: man edition

And the iron mask is one of the most iconic part of the design

[tiny plover]

Slipnot Twink Addition*

[granite shard]

But what’s the watsonian answer

[tiny plover]

(not complaining but I can see him making people headbang or horny lol)

Its all in the hair

[granite shard]

Haha

[tiny plover]

Idk. His blurb on the dlc page is relativly short. A lot of unspoken family history stuff

[granite shard]

I also think the nose part of the mask whole being more practical makes it less interesting than her mask

[tiny plover]

"The letter led to her death" yeah but how bitch fuck you

[granite shard]

Like it being so flat makes it more inhuman and faceless

[tiny plover]

mmm

[granite shard]

DID SHE KNOW HE WSS ALIVE? WHY WAS HIS NAME CARVED INTO A BULLET MADE TO GET REVENGE ON THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE IF SHE THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD

[tiny plover]

To be fair, to be one of two in.. the country? That uses said masks, and to be twins no less

[tiny plover]

LMAO

Fuck dont tell crytek

[granite shard]

Like she seemingly didn’t know he was alive until he saved her life

[tiny plover]

I mean hey, your line of work can literally lead you to the land of the dead? You start carring some Insurance Bullets.

[granite shard]

Idk I just need more of an answer on this and I don’t think we’ll be getting one since we’re like

[tiny plover]

To be Fair lol

[granite shard]

Five plus months out from a book of weapons update

Three months out from event lore

And I doubt they’ll be in the next event

[real dove]

I legit wish they had just... made him a seperate character

[tiny plover]

Cries and moans for UI update, knowing its not super likely to include lore

[real dove]

not related to her

still just feels tacked on

[tiny plover]

Sorta kinda? It is an odd choice to just Rule 63 an older one, popular as she is

People joked about a Lady Monroe few days ago

[real dove]

there's a T...3? that is basially that

[warm quartz]

Woman logic

[real dove]

but alas, if he was his Own Character would be less issue

(also tired of dudes in masks)

his clothes are cool!

[granite shard]

I don't mind the masks part

[warm quartz]

Or she knew he was death itself and so she knew he can't die

[real dove]

Like, I like him

[granite shard]

people in masks is fine

[tiny plover]

Don't you know it saves them time animating their mouths

Silly silly

[granite shard]

I'm just tired of man DLCs lol

[warm quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/death-darksiders-thq-gif-19438966

[real dove]

for all the talking they do?

lol

[tiny plover]

And the blinkings... and breathings...

[real dove]

tru

eh, it is what is

feels weird

Maybe we'll get some lore in the gap

[tiny plover]

All I know is just like usual, it will be fun killing people who payed 10 bucks to look fancy while they die

And thats the greatest gift of all

[real dove]

gimme some more QnAs

[granite shard]

it'd be a really cool visual update to have facial animation happen for hunters

like nothing crazy but just something

[tiny plover]

Give me a full family interview with the Moses family

On the farm

[real dove]

lol

[granite shard]

like the update that gave lobby intro animations to legendary hunters was so peak

having expressions could sell the characters even more

[real dove]

All of it, gimme all of it thanks

[tiny plover]

Hold on there sport, Hunters dont know how to express the diffrence in pain between a nitro shot to the shin and getting shot by smoothbore 9mm at 80 yards

[granite shard]

haha

[tiny plover]

Dunno about all this "Expression" stuff you keep going on about, lifeless husks our lads are lol

[real dove]

do they make noise when on fire?

i cant remember

cause like

[granite shard]

nah

[real dove]

i feel most people scream

[tiny plover]

they sizzle..?

[real dove]

or would

IDK never set anyone on fire

irl

[granite shard]

overwatch fire noises dot mp4

[real dove]

So lifeless that being on fire just means nothing

[tiny plover]

actively burning alive

Fuck man, a big bug is gonna turn me into a statue now....

[real dove]

(i dont want them to start screaming)

just be funny

[tiny plover]

I would be dead inside too with that forbidden knowledge lol

[real dove]

laying face down in the mud slowly burning alive

[tiny plover]

"This is fine."

[real dove]

praying your 1* buddy kills the opposing team

porhaps we shall someday get more lore on pdaughter and son

mom will come back to life

[tiny plover]

Mayhaps even mother

[real dove]

whole fam of prog

[tiny plover]

I fucking hope not lol

[granite shard]

I doubt she's gonna come back to life

[real dove]

emotional trauma fam

sam

e

[granite shard]

like let us be fair the only times characters have died and come back have been explicitly resurrected, or there was a reasonable explanation for why they're still alive

[real dove]

mia dad

[granite shard]

I think most people who are dead are gonna stay dead lol

[real dove]

yra

[granite shard]

but I really would love to learn more abt her bc she sounds so cool

[tiny plover]

Listen, Revenent/Bad Hand, Widow, Infected (?). Anything can Happen

[granite shard]

badass civil war spy lady

infected & widow never died

widow was the first person to not die from chary's stuff

[real dove]

rev i think is the only one that is dead dead

[tiny plover]

I feel like dying is relative with widow

[granite shard]

infected is just slowly turning into a grunt

[real dove]

and since he's been pretty mia, i suspect to a degree he's out of the lore

[tiny plover]

Doesnt she also not have a heart? Thought her's also got removed

[real dove]

the captain

[granite shard]

she has a heart

she had to rip out her husband's heart

[tiny plover]

Oh duh yeah literally all the drowned

[granite shard]

she's alive but just super fucked up

the drowned and revenant are the only undead

mary's been experimented on, and infected is slowly getting corrupted

[tiny plover]

ye ye but I recall chery doing chery stuff and like, idk poking her in the eyes and giving her a swirly before getting turned into whatever she is now

Ah la Lynch I guess

[granite shard]

I guess kevin is technically undead but I think in the "he was prevented from fully dying" sense

moon said nah buddy get back to the mines

[tiny plover]

That poor kid is still out there... alledgdedly

Him and his Harem of lesbians..

[granite shard]

he was mentioned recently at least!

[tiny plover]

In the book in passing yeah

but my poor sad lad...

[granite shard]

my hc is that as all of the shit in the tides trilogy was happening

he was being watched over by lulu

since she was also hanging back

[tiny plover]

Other Mom was out fighting the devil. She'll be back

And then she actually did

Twice

[real dove]

I just hope DA is still running around

His whole stuff during the tides had me giggling

Bro got that AdhD

[granite shard]

he and burnt marshal had SUCH a great dynamic

[real dove]

I desperately want rotjaw masked DA

he's the only masked dude I would be hype to see

[warm quartz]

🤓 uhhh achtually he isn't undead, he's immortal

[real cedar]

The way it's written between the two bios, she either didn't know he was alive or only suspected it when the letter first came, but something about their mother's death - which happened very soon towards when she traveled to Louisiana so like 1893-1895 - made her think otherwise, thus she wrote his name on the bullet.

[warm quartz]

There's a huge difference

The Revenant is undead, Kevin isn't

[granite shard]

For me the way it sounded in his DLC blurb tho was more of she blamed his death for setting off the chain of events

And the letter just being the physical representation of it

Idk I think they just need to explain more to make things make sense

[real cedar]

To me, it's the new knowledge involved with the letter that spurred actions to be taken which caused subsequent fallout. For example, Anna Burton read it, learned he died in Black Hills for some reason, then traveled there which caused something that would've otherwise not happened.

But yeah the lore is pretty barebones so it ends up just being vibes rather than lore.
The trailer made it more evocative to me, the flashing between the enemy and PD in the Son's eyes can be taken a bunch of ways.

[real dove]

esp as he was killing her it seemed?

or was i crazy for thinking that was what it looked like

[real cedar]

Is he mentally preparing for the confrontation? Does he dread having to answer for what he's done and expects to die? If the first, why did he choose to save her? If the latter, why is he imagining having to kill her?

[granite shard]

I think this is one of the peak examples of why hunt needs more consistent lore delivery

[real dove]

the trailer was dope

just a bit confused

since the cuts to her when he was killing made me think he's imagining her as the victim

[granite shard]

like idk this is one of the weaker lore things they've released both due to the fact of him seemingly being retroactively worked into the storyline and then not giving super clear answers as to both his motivations and the prodigal daughter's

bc like unfortunatley rai both the way you interpreted the lore and I did both have pretty equal ground to stand on, with mine being a more literal interpretation and you working more with other things to try and make it make sense

like I can't call it a full retcon since I don't know what the intent ever was of her backstory, nor how much they had planned for it

but it does feel like he was forced in more for skin purposes than narrative

[real cedar]

They definitely planned something since they added an unknown name alongside two known ones, but yeah the question is have they been sitting on that idea this whole time or did it get revised for the sake of another masked boi

[granite shard]

like at least with the black coat stuff they had things historically set up to point to where it's like "okay the lore has pointed out collins being not wholly reliable throughout" but the rick stuff is seemingly so important to the death of their mom that it's wild to not have mentioned at least his "death"

like even just that "her brother died and it made her grow more distant from her mom in grief blah blah" and then he wouldn't have felt so out of left field

[real cedar]

They've elected not to mention a whole host of stuff with the Prodigal story.
When/Where/Why/How/Who in relation to the mom's death
Who the other two bullets were
And with Finch in a hole the story can't really progress the way it initially would've.
So it's basically been vibes this whole time, which is fair for DLC characters cause most of them are self contained.

[granite shard]

vibes the whole time worked when it was just her

I guess like w him expanding on the story there it kinda blows to see it like

not really make anything more clear

like it just makes the story more messy

I guess it just stands out a lot when you compare it to characters like the witch hunter getting her backstory expanded on

like we got a pretty good answer (lynch is responsible) and then a look into her psychology

[real cedar]

Witch Hunter and Sofia are the exceptions imo. Most DLC hunters say their very small piece then sit on the sidelines. Like Zhong Kui and Dead Blessing seem like they'd be classic characters by now especially since the former shows up in Trials but we haven't heard a peep. The Archaeologist too, for showing up in an event and being connected to PD, we still haven't had any info about her or what her bio is even meant to mean.

[granite shard]

I guess my point is like

they had an opportunity here to expand more that wasn't fully capitalized on

and I think that's largely due to the ways that they're limited in lore delivery but still

[real cedar]

Book of Hunters WHEN

[granite shard]

I'm not asking for the full arc here but after the solid addition to the witch hunter's story, it just feels lame that the prodigal son feels out of left field while managing to take a pretty like

simple story and making it more confusing

maybe that's the root of my issues-- the way her story had been set up was simple and intriguing, he adds a needless complicating value

god not to keep comparing TPD and TWH

but the hex breaker worked better as a random addition than TPS

[rare dirge]

TPS?

[real cedar]

Worked better in the sense of meshing but not in the sense of adding anything worthwhile imo. He could've been connected to half the roster while still making sense cause his lore is so inconsequential.

[granite shard]

the prodigal son

[rare dirge]

I see

[granite shard]

I guess that's what I mean. He doesn't really add anything to her story but he doesn't complicate things and it more just works with her having connections in the witch hunting community

he widens that world

[rare dirge]

At least we got a DLC hunter this month

Last month we didn’t get one

[granite shard]

last month felt like it was mostly focused on partner skins tbh

[rare dirge]

Yeah forgot about those

That would make sense

[real dove]

I'm kinda curious now about incoming hunters

since no stoof till august

figuring we be getting hoonters like normal still

[warm quartz]

Wander if prodigal mother even dead too

[warm quartz]

I'd like to point out that they aren't limited, they limit themselves

[granite shard]

even if they limit themselves that's still a limit with no clear indication that there are plans to deliver lore in other formats

[orchid tangle]

I think the prodigal son is cool overall but the lore (to me at least) feels like they just wanted to make the male counterpart but had no clue what to do lore wise

just getting a letter saying he was dead feels like a really weird reason to blame him for everything, the only logical thing he would've contributed to those events was fake his death for whatever reason. I can see an evil within type thing where the mother just knew he wasn't dead somehow and went to investigate and got caught up in something bad that lead to her death but I just don't see why you'd blame him for that, the backstory even states he knows he isn't to be greeted nicely by daughter. He followed in his mothers footsteps and enlisted, he's still wearing his uniform as if he's a proud soldier. Just doesn't personally make sense to me, maybe we'll get more info on them but hunt likes to be random on which hunters get the spotlight so we'll see.

[warm quartz]

Edgy backstory for the sake of the edgy backstory

[high stone]

This is part if some fanart i have planned but I thought it would be cool if Prodigal Daughter’s mask is actually the melted down Silver cast of of her moms plaster death mask (like, the family or someone had the silver cast as a memorial piece, and PD takes it and recasts it as her current version when she was finally ready for vengeance)

…and then a “Spirit of Halloween” store popped up in Arden Parish and Prodigal Son bought his mask there

[real dove]

Lol

[rugged harbor]

Lmao I love that

[violet turtle]

So why is it that hunters don't get affected by whatever is infecting Louisiana?

Or do they?

[mighty lake]

there's lots of references to things like serums and rituals that hunters do

stuff that lets them use dark sight and physically empowers them at the cost of longevity and such

[violet turtle]

Oh ok good to know

[stoic ore]

Specifically, a lot of lore is explained through Legendary Skins.

If you read a bunch of those skins and combine that with a good understanding of the book of monsters you can really start piecing things together.

[real dove]

So, they do to a degree- t2/3 hunters are more and more ripped up and diseased compared to 'new' T1s if you look closely at them. We know they had an early naturally based serum, as well as some hunters being more immune than others (redneck and presumably his daughter). But then Lynch created The Serum with demon blood and such which became the one everyone uses (with likely future implications)

[tall vigil]

They just been alive "in the bayou" battling it out and have more experience "traits" and some maybe better guns

[real dove]

All hunters get the serum now. It just means you don't get grunted out as soon as you enter

[tall vigil]

I play like a grunt @real dove

[stoic ore]

This is a really good description, and it’s backed by the lore you can find on the legendary serums and such.

This is especially shown with legendary hunters.

[high stone]

Yeah, I think the tier 2 & 3 Hunters just have injuries and wear and tear from surviving a lot of fights (eyepatches, the one male model has burns on his face and head, etc.)…i’m pretty sure none of the regulars have any signs of infection (and the only Legendary Hunter that does is “The Infected”…)

[high stone]

I was curious about that too…where does it mention effect on longevity?

[granite shard]

Yeah I think the most is like the camo tier 3 guy having Kevin eyes but I feel that’s more like magic than infection

[high stone]

I would bet BBs that it’s just the base model of the hunter without accessory features turned on 😂

[warm quartz]

What instrument were these dusters made from?

[silver cargo]

Doesnt the description state it outright?

Assuming these are the flesh pleater

[warm quartz]

I have no idea what this instrument is

[rugged iron]

Its a part off of an old press iirc

[real cedar]

Hand fluting iron for pressing fabric

also called a pleater

[rugged iron]

Ngl, I want in game to be as chonky as the one you found

[deft storm]

another fragile duster design?

more little leather strips wrapped for "aesthetics"

[real cedar]

All that leather and it doesn't protect the one exposed bit of metal wire that'd be ripping open your palm when used

[real dove]

I've thought quite a few of the knuckle knives wouldn't really hold up under fire

DOD has an antler one, right? I remember looking at it and going, one legit hit and that things falling apart

[deft storm]

yep

[spiral mica]

It shouldn't go without saying that MANY of the designs in the game are impractical

the idea is that they fit the aesthetic of the game

[real cedar]

Yeah, it's honestly a nitpick that you can't see in game anyway

[spiral mica]

I have many of those too lol

[orchid tangle]

it's pane I always think about

best hope it's wrapped tight

gonna be such a fun feeling when it's not and a gunshot makes you jump and you grip it hard on instinct

[deft storm]

This is true, but those two things are not mutually exclusive, or necessary to keep the way they are.....for instance, they could at least update the base Knuckle Knife skin to give it a stabilizing piece that goes between your middle finger and ring finger, so the whole handguard wouldn't rotate when you strike something

[deft storm]

haha yes, Pane is not lasting long, no matter what, but it's a fun realistic character piece that adds to Monroe's story

practical, thoughtful design SHOULD be the most important part of the "aesthetic"....the hand crossbow is a great example

it's too bad we never get to see it in its folded state

Bomblance, Romero Hatchet, Sticky Bomb, Winfield Striker....lots of great ones

the traps look pretty good too

[real dove]

Bomblance my beloved

I want to get one made

I love the designs on a lot of the homemade stuff

Sure, there's ones here and there that I'm like.... Mmmm no. But I can ignore em in the face of the rest looking so good and practical

[spiral mica]

wouldn't that be more of a visual issue instead of a design issue?

for example the inspect animation for the knife with the last word skin is visually flawed but the skin itself has no design flaws. It is still simply a broken bottle.

[real dove]

The rasp or the base knuckle knife?

[deft storm]

yes, visual design, not game design or function...the knuckle knife animates and works in the game like it's supposed to (as dusters), but realistically it would probably rotate in your hand because nothing holds between your fingers, like real dusters

[deft storm]

both

[real dove]

Gotcha. Yeah, would be hard to keep the knuckle person over your knuckles without finger holes

Part part not person

Portion. Autocorrect killing me slowly

[deft storm]

haha I got you

[real dove]

Never really considered that

Just the antler one. We have a few dusters with no stabilizing tho iirc

It's just, punch and hope it doesn't flip over/under your fist

[deft storm]

yeah, it's too bad....DoD's one really is strange though, looking at it....wood and antler held together with leather

the character designs really became something else after like, June 2022

[real dove]

Yeah. Hers bothered me for a bit. Antler is tough, sure... But the second you punch that into something hard that leather is gonna stretch

And then it's just floppy knuckle knife

[deft storm]

makes me wonder if they're contracted out (but I haven't researched it)

[real dove]

And nobody likes that

[deft storm]

exactly

[real dove]

Dunno. I like the idea, but needs to be metal not leather

Metal band around where the leather connects the two antlers, I'd be like yeah

But it cool

[deft storm]

yeah a sharpened antler for the blade would work well enough

[real dove]

Video game

Yar

We have bone knife

Which is... Eh

[deft storm]

lol yeah, fun Halloween meme

that Halloween had some good ones

Scapula is sweet

[real dove]

I have several bones and I gotta say, make for good arrow heads but not knives so much. Not for what we're doing.

Yeah

I hope we get some new bone ones this Halloween

[deft storm]

ohh yeah, surprised there aren't any bone arrowheads yet

[real dove]

I think it's just easier to keep the ammo the same

All the bows iirc use that same arrow

[deft storm]

ahh, right

[warm quartz]

Whenever I stand on that platform I just suffer immense ptsd from all the fights I had there

[upbeat kiln]

The amount of clutches I haven't pulled off in that place is nothing short of astounding

[rare dirge]

yeah that platform and building are sick ass plases to fight

i got a lotta clips there specifically

[frigid solar]

Is there lore explanation why hunters can't turn undead?

[real cedar]

If by undead you mean grunts, then it's the inoculation/serum every hunter takes upon initiation into the AHA, a mix of science and occultism that gives Dark Sight and resists the corruption. It's mentioned in the final Meathead mastery, the Romero 77 & Nagant M1895 Silencer mastery, the steam description of The Mountie DLC, and the online blog story Accounts Received: The Adventures of Timothy Stone. Information on how its created can be read in the Caldwell Pax Claw mastery. The Infected is an example of what happens if you hunt without it.
Turning undead in other, non-corruption ways is still possible, like the Revenant and the Drowned Rat/Kid.

[frigid solar]

What if there were hunters who were not properly inoculated? Or armed grunts who were not members of AHA in life? I just want to see rarely spawned grunts who carry weapons to be looted.

[real cedar]

There was at least one example in the lore of a guy who just wandered into the bayou thinking it was all tall tales only to end up in a boss lair; the Uppermat mastery story. He refused the inoculation when offered and just left Louisana. It could well be that others did similar things but didn't live to tell about it, becoming grunts. Ah there's also natural resistance, like the Redneck, and partial resistance, like William Salter who succumbed over months similar to the The Infected.
If Crytek wanted to add a grunt that looks like a hunter carrying a weapon, the lore would support it.

[weak cargo]

There’s also a hunter who is half-grunted

I believe for him it’s only a matter of time

[rugged iron]

Yeah, thats the Infected that Rai mentioned

[tribal crest]

i have no idea of the game's lore and reading a bunch of entrys is pretty slow to understand, so can someone give a brief overview of the lore?

[warm quartz]

Criminals drink gamer girl bath water and shoot each other instead of monsters they should fight.

[tribal crest]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-awkward-smile-gif-5307535

[real cedar]

The Hunt universe has semi-regular paranormal phenomena that clandestine groups work to banish from existence in exchange for pay from even more secretive groups. The American Hunter's Association is the main group in America. The Louisiana Event (the game's setting) is the occult equivalent of Chernobyl - one of if not the worst paranormal events in history. There's a powerful, not very well understood entity called the Sculptor at the core of the corruption that has infected a big chunk of the Louisiana Bayou. The Sculptor takes monsters and replicates them, every boss and special infected was a singular entity before being copied and pasted. Because it's a high profile event, a lot more fresh Hunters are needed than normal. Because it's life threatening work for big payouts, a lot of these new Hunters are not good people and are willing to kill others for the bounty.

[tribal crest]

if every boss and special monster is just copy pasted, then what about the basic one(s)? is there just that many basic monsters around?

[real cedar]

The grunts, water devils, and maybe hellhounds are the only ones that aren't solely replicated, but even then they do get copied. The doctor grunt for instance appears to be just one guy. The immolator was a priest who spontaneously combusted, the hive was a pregnant woman who got infected, the meathead is a giant foetus that a hunter gave birth to, and the armored might have been a corpse that was petrified in a science experiment.

[tribal crest]

"the meathead is a giant foetus that a hunter gave birth to" huh??

[real cedar]

The hellhound might be a singular dog that got infected, but it also might be that single dog infected other packs of italian mastiffs

[tribal crest]

aight

[real cedar]

If you want to read more without having to dig through the masteries in game, the pins in this channel have a collection of all the lore you can skim through.

[tribal crest]

ok, i am going to try kill more meatheads to read more of that wierd ass story

[real cedar]

Hell yeah 💪

[glossy zealot]

wow, they explained the asset reuse in the game lore. That's genius.

[real dove]

Yeah. Basically all AI is copy pasted- sure, got some differences in the hellhounds and such, but there was once one OG hellhound- Tho in the lore the OG was actually a german shepherd (Bunny) so likely it got out and killed the mastiffs we know and love, and they are the first true ones we know. but agreed, I think it's a great way to explain why the grunts are all the same copies and such

[high stone]

Well said!

[high stone]

I still think this is due to some miscommunication between writers and other devs, or it was a change of plans, and we’re just jumping to conclusions and it’s..not…supposed to be like that haha

[real dove]

What do you mean?

[real cedar]

The very old QnAs go a bit into the intentions and how they've changed:

Previously, in a Q&A, a former colleague of ours announced that there was only 1 of each boss, and each match is just a retelling of a story. At the time, that could’ve made sense. However, when it came to putting together the Book of Monsters that part of the lore just didn’t sit right with us. It didn’t seem to match the game play, it didn’t match the player’s experience. There didn’t seem to be enough frame to support the idea that each match is someone retelling of the same story. After all, a Hunter can kill a Spider multiple times in their lifetime, and players do hundreds of times.

We’re really proud of Hunt’s photorealism, detailed environments, grotesque monsters, and realistic weapons. In being so immersive, it felt wrong to turn around and say – “hey, this visceral game you’re playing is actually a retelling of a retelling of a story.” If there were mechanics that supported this storytelling theme, or a frame in which a Hunter would speak and tell you this was there story, it might make sense.

It was a difficult decision to go back on what was said, but weighing everything up we didn’t really think that the ‘1 boss ever’ idea just didn’t have a lot backing it up, and was limiting our approach. There are multiple storytellers in Hunt, take everything you read with a pinch of salt, but throughout 1895, the Spider, Butcher and Assassin were encountered and killed at different times in different places.```

And...this is an addition tot he answer about the "one boss or multiple bosses thing"...to get into details following what Hearn just said. The first occurrence of each boss, which is what you are reading about in the Book of Monsters, involved one person being “turned,” and that original person/their soul/whatever you want to call that remains tied to that form, tormented in a kind of purgatory, doomed to respawn in the same hellish form again and again and again. Does that make it “just one” or multiples? I would argue its multiples, as its respawning, but the soul used in its creation is stuck in there each time. So there is a binding element that connects all Butchers/Spiders/Grunts etc, but technically, it’s a new creature each time. New creature same recipe.”

[real dove]

I like the idea of each copy having a fragment of the OG creature in it. I think it;s a dope take

[high stone]

The meathead and immolator lore feel like “Hey we put this monster in the game demo (image attached), could you write a quick blurb about it for the monster manual? Might be placeholder, thanks.” Or, the writers wrote a description for each monster not exactly knowing which one would end up as a singular boss

[real dove]

Immo is locked in, we saw the statue in the lod. There was 1 dude who went up in flames, sculptor went NEAT MINE NOW and copied it

[amber harbor]

If we want to revive the wiki discussion, I think this would be good as a page on the wiki, create a lore intro page and stick it to the main page

[rare dirge]

The sculptor really letting his influence do it’s thing and saving and actively collecting mutations of it to clone for his army

[high stone]

Is there any evidence of this, in game, on any map?

[real dove]

tech the armored

original armored got caught in tina and now bam, tina armored

unless it's meant to be that there is that much tina in the swamps. which we dont see

armored going around after a fight collecting the tina

[worthy nova]

I really just brush off the repeating grunt models as a necessity of game engine limitations, and something that doesn’t need lore

[real dove]

fair, but it does have lore, which is cool

imo

[worthy nova]

otherwise, why not get this way about every game in history

[high stone]

Also a weird situation where the writing team has changed over and the newer stuff has to be retconned….and call me cynical but they can use any details and ideas they see players engaged with and include those in Nu Lore to help engagement :/

[real dove]

new stuff?

what do you want retconned?

[rare dirge]

Wdym I’m just going off what is being told in here

[worthy nova]

I missed this. Where do they explain the grunt models getting resurrected/ cloned?

[real cedar]

The Book of Monsters came two years after the game first was available to play so I think they had more than enough time to cement the background lore and agree on what they want to present. Some ideas from the very beginning have been left by the wayside like the True Deck and The Sundering but as far as the Book of Monsters lore goes it seems the devs were all in agreement in how they want to tell the story.
To further cement that, some ideas that appear in the BoM were present in the earliest game lore, like Scognamillio, Harold Black, Meatheads being called 'Soul Farmers', armored being theorized to be advanced grunts

[high stone]

Yes, newer writing over the past few years

[real dove]

They retconned some of the older stuff, but i cant think of any new stuff getting retconned

moved away from real people to fictional ones

since Huff (the real one) was involved in some less than ideal stuff

[worthy nova]

To me, it would be like needing lore if multiple people in your trio group are using the same character or weapon skin

[high stone]

Yeah i’m sort of talking about the statue, copying thing

[real dove]

The statues in the LOD?

IMO that was a nod for us lore nerds to point to what is true in the lore

[amber harbor]

Maybe not all teammates are purely human 👀

[high stone]

Important point in that Q&A about the “multiple storytellers and everything should be taken with a pinch of salt”

[real dove]

I've wondered on this. The stuff with DOD in TOD makes me wonder if legendary hunters get rezzed over and over just as the creatures do

[real cedar]

If they do, nobody appears to recognize it happening so far

[high stone]

How come?

[worthy nova]

I really don’t think you need this, I think you can set your suspension of disbelief before that, and excuse things as necessary for a game

otherwise its just like unending levels of meta analysis

[real dove]

Yeah, it is a game. just been something I've thought before

[real dove]

Because there is a lot of what is true and what isnt. Esp with Collins stuff. BATS being prime example. So by putting statues in, there was hard evidence those event REALLY happened in the lore

vs were fluff added by collins to sell his stories

[worthy nova]

lorifying anything that it takes to play a video game will ruin the core story / lore, IMO

[real dove]

Eh, to a degree. Not sure why having the stuff about AI ruins the lore

AI being copied*

adds to it imo

[real cedar]

I think the devs agree, they haven't tried to explain a whole host of gameified things, just what was needed for the story.

[real dove]

in regards with dup/triped hunters, eh

[granite shard]

Even for the grunts and stuff it’s not really addressed that they specifically are copies

Just meatmen and stuff

[real cedar]

Yeah, the idea that every monster is copied comes from inference. Grunts, armored, water devils, hellhounds, every single one could be a unique infected.

[granite shard]

Like the grunts being the same group of people is likely a gameplay thing due to the effort it would take to model all different grunts

[real dove]

I still think they are all dupes of one original being. i think it;s a cool way to explain it

tho likely moreso because it's just easier than having 2000 models

[worthy nova]

I assumed they were all unique infected / villagers

[real cedar]

Most can be assumed to be unique, but the doctor grunt having a very particular face that can be seen on posters makes things odd. Why did that grunt get xerox'd?

[granite shard]

I think a core point is that it’s also been described an infection so like

Some things are copies but not all

[high stone]

No, it’s the same problem

[granite shard]

Grunts are likely unique people, hives appear to be several different people in game so my assumption is copies made from people, etc

[real dove]

so then where are all the undead coming from?

do we actually kill anything

[rare dirge]

The sculptor puts his influence down let’s it run its course and any unique mutations or infections he just takes copies and starts pasting everywhere

[real dove]

because I can tell you, countless folks did not live in NOLA

[rare dirge]

Think it was said somewhere the ones we kill are recycled sometimes

[granite shard]

Yeah

[real dove]

Yeah. That was my take. we do know there are bodies in the ground, both Lynch and Chary had stuff on this

Which (IMO) the sculptor uses as "clay"

creating the next set of monsters

[worthy nova]

I think the copies thing feels weird to me, because it’s a VERY powerful skill from the sculptor, and so feels like it breaks some rules. Why can’t it make 1000 concertina armored? Put 1000 hellhounds on the map?

[real dove]

I know it's power is somewhat limited by the moon

unless that got retconned

[real cedar]

It has limitations as anything else does, and hunters are continuously pouring in to kill what it creates

[rare dirge]

Think we will see new AI once we reach this new area? Could very well be new mutations and stuff there and you could add them to every map with the explanation that the sculptor just copied it and placed them everywhere like normal

[real dove]

I STRONGLY think we will get new AI

[real cedar]

Man I hope so

[worthy nova]

would be cool

[real dove]

metal chested grunts for sure

[real cedar]

New grunt outfits in general even without any mechanic changes would be sweet

[real dove]

that line about miners eating molten metal couldnt have been just fluff

new class of grunt

or armored

[rare dirge]

Yeah I’d like something new

Even if it’s just variants of ones we have

[real dove]

Less or no water devils

[rare dirge]

New map and new engine give many possibilities

[real dove]

gotta have new AI to cover that

Wolves

[worthy nova]

also, if they are copies, what happened to the infection?

[real cedar]

Infection still hits any living human/dog in the area

[worthy nova]

they’re not infected anymore, theyre just clones?

[real cedar]

Infection is the start point like Silver was saying, once something comes out of the infection it can get put into the respawn cycle

Once everything is infected and nothing new can be corrupted, it's just clones after that.

Though at least for the bosses only one is ever active at a time, do other infected have such limitations?

Can there only be X amount of immolators at one time?

[real dove]

maybe? could ecxplain

explain

the bosses have been described as demons, so likely it takes more power to control them

and less power for other stuff

with the grunts needed the least amount of power

[real cedar]

Another point for the discussion: wasn't there an absolute SHITTON of infected in the Land of the Dead in Tide of Desolation?

How does that figure into things

[high stone]

Oh boy

[worthy nova]

I think if the sculptor is gonna just create entities up from the dirt, it should make much more interesting stuff

[real dove]

I'd guess that since the LOD is the Sculptor's home, it requires very little to control them there

vs having control over them in the living world

[real dove]

That's it tho

it can't create it's own stuff

not in any real capacity

[real cedar]

Ironic to its name

[real dove]

yeah

[worthy nova]

but like, bizarre configurations it can? Like the spider

[real dove]

The spider is a merged collections of bodies

from a burial pit

not really a hard creation

[worthy nova]

yeah so do that instead of cloned grunts

[real dove]

lord please don't give us more spiders

[high stone]

I think this was just a prudent game dev decision, since they know the player will see 10 grunts for every 1 hive…they’re doing their best to maintain the illusion of every infected person/hive being a unique individual…but there are limited resources in the game engine

[real dove]

I hate fighting that fucker as is

[real cedar]

The spider and the butcher are two that the sculptor might have personally created. One loading tip describes it like that "he was unwittingly creating the husk that the Sculptor would use to animate the Butcher"

[real dove]

Butcher was still made by that dude

Taxidermied

brought to life in a thunderstorm

[real cedar]

Taxidermied, but unlike most other monsters it would've stayed a husk

same with the spider

if not for some kind of intervention, it would've been a burial pit

[granite shard]

Agreed. Like there’s a level of suspension of belief required in a game like this

[real dove]

Sure, sculpty tossed a demon in it, but still not creating

[worthy nova]

i dont think they’re clones

Its fine to like that idea, though

[real dove]

Yeah. Currently in a state of being able to taken however you want. Which is cool!

[worthy nova]

I am also against this, on principle, for a game, movie, or any entertainment , though too haha

I’m sorry Alpacalix

[real dove]

All good! Can disagree on lore stuff, not an issue lol. Yeah, I don't normally like it, it's just neat to me here as I can't think of another game that goes, how do we explain why all the AI are basically copies of each other? Oh, because they are!

But would feel cheap in movies

but again, that's just me

Not upset if it's just me thinking that, happy to be wrong if/when we get other info

[real cedar]

The curse of piecemeal lore in games, everything is inconclusive until it isn't.

[real dove]

tru

[glossy zealot]

I don't think it's only about technical limitations. Having all hives the same, and so on, makes it easy to recognise them. Also simplifies the life of the sound designers.

[high stone]

Right, I really was just talking about the visual stuff, faces, and clothes of each asset - relating to how each hive is a unique, infected person

[high stone]

Realistically I guess you would have different looking nest structures on each Hive asset too, but that’s another easily forgiveable detail

[glossy zealot]

Yes, such a difference, mainly chromatic, can affect the gameplay. E.g. hive is white, with gray hair, etc. If you see a white dress it's 90% a hive.

[granite shard]

Tbh I’d say the silhouette is more key than anything

And the main part of that is the hive bursting from the chest and how that makes the body twist

[glossy zealot]

in truth I think the most key thing, if you are not far away, is the sound

so yes, it would work, but they have this excuse I guess 😄

and probably wouldn't add much to the game

[glossy canopy]

Kain gay?

[real cedar]

Bushsexual

[real dove]

Lmao

That man got too many issues to have anything going on sexually

Have you seen his eyes? Not one thought in there

[neat juniper]

well i mean

he got his sculls

[real dove]

you right. he's looking to add to the pile

and avoid showers

[pearl abyss]

You think anyone ever have a pet stalker beetle? like they don't even use it for hunts just as a cute pet named Mr. Beetle?

[quartz nest]

I can imagine a hunter having one, most likely more like a pet spider or snake than something like a cat or dog

[real dove]

Beekeeper I could see

Maybe one of the crazies like Monroe

[pearl abyss]

i mean you can head pat the beetle. They are adorable lil guys that just be ballin

[real dove]

until you explode them

😦

back when they first dropped, and quests were still a thing, there was one for use stalker beetle x# of times. And I just... sat against a wall and yeeted the poor guy into it over and over

brain damaged beetle the poor bugger

[quartz nest]

bit of a horrifying thought, are there beekepers, but for hives? and that's who we buy the jars from?

[real dove]

At... DeSalle, upper in the back towards the edge of the map, there's beehives. there was also some stuff when the beetle first dropped that there were folks raising/breeding them

[pearl abyss]

it's ok. they have fun

god that make a great emote-

[real dove]

I would adore a bomblance with a beetle tied nicely to it, that goes WEEEEEEE when fired

[pearl abyss]

beetle charm on god-

[pearl abyss]

beetle channeled it's in mad max "witness me" moment

[quartz nest]

I mean hives like the AI

[real dove]

Ohhhhh. No, not that I know of. I think Hives are living (?) hosts, but the swarms can live in other places just fine

[pearl abyss]

ok real question, I'm wondering does anyone actally die in the hunt

[granite shard]

yes

non legendary hunters die all the time, a few legendary hunters have died in lore

[pearl abyss]

ah. Just wondering with land of the dead and nerco being a thing.

although the thought of a team of hunters being revied and chewing out the last hunter of trio to die for fucking up is funny

[pearl abyss]

ah so dog dude, scarecrow and that one other from the tides trailer are dead dead?

[granite shard]

No

[real dove]

The Captain has died iirc, (again, again, maybe again) when he burned up with the ship. Finch is dead. WE have several undead hunters

[granite shard]

Trailers aren’t 100% lore accurate

[pearl abyss]

ah. i thought they were to a degree but I guess i was wrong

[pearl abyss]

which was finch again? memeories bad

[granite shard]

Finch isn’t a legendary hunter, he’s a lore only character

[pearl abyss]

ooooooo

[real dove]

The former AHA head after Huff died. Also maybe immortal

he was drowned as part of CHary's play

[pearl abyss]

god the AHA def having a bad day with all these crazy people

[real dove]

since his blood was toxic to the Murmerstone

[granite shard]

Legendary hunters who have been confirmed to be dead:

1. butchers cleaver
2. the gar
3. the captain

There’s others that are potentially dead rn