lore-discussion

[real dove]

which is imo why the researcher (not the hunter) is looking back over these events- it's come back, and they are trying to see how to beat it

[icy brook]

I kind of liked it the other way, it left more interpretations for event causes around the world

[real dove]

With the HA being across the globe, or at the least there being versions like it, (unless that was also redacted), then I'd figure there are other beings out there, they just aren't versions of the Sculptor like it was before the redaction

will see as we get the new map tho i guess

and new hunters

[granite shard]

I think having a single sculptor works really well because there's now more of like a pantheon of fucked up things

like the sculptor, the moon, the lord of the dead, etc

[high stone]

The Moon and Lord of the Dead as concepts feels like a real Moon Knight, creator myth type arrangement

[silver cargo]

hi I can't read, I'm at chapter eight

is Hardin basically going ||I want to prove I am a good leader to the Lawful and that's by recovering the Statesman|| ?

[real cedar]

Less to the Lawful and more to the backers, to prove that his way will get results and bring order.

[real dove]

idk if the backers want order, seems to me they are just interested in the bounty items... dude got off the train and was like where bounties

[real cedar]

It's Hardin's understanding or at least belief that they do, he starts his letter to them in Chapter 1 with assurances of removing the devil from Louisiana.

[warm quartz]

Less about proving he's a leader and more about not losing the favour

[warm quartz]

And bounty supply will be steady under Hardin's control

As hunters will stop wasting time shooting each other and start shooting zombos

[warm quartz]

Now that I think of it, it would be nice to have more hunters in lawful pact, not just Hardin and Statesman

Russel is in there, but only in lore

[real cedar]

Witch Hunter and Mountie should be there, but didn't get mentioned sadly

[past matrix]

Yeah based on who gets more points from the event, it can be kind of easy to infer who belongs to which pact

[rotund ferry]

detectives woulda been there if they didn't get the dirtiest end in lore history

[real cedar]

something happened to them?

[rotund ferry]

they got ambushed with Chary when Sofia went to shoot the portal at the end of corruption.
I guess they might not be dead, it's not like dying really means much rn anyway but pretty much all of Charys dudes were wiped out in a single sentence because the ambush

just kinda lame for legendary hunters imo

[real cedar]

Shit yeah I must've glossed over that, gone in one sentence really does suck

[high stone]

• ~ it was all just a dream ~ *

[deft storm]

Hello! Is there a good way to see all the Monster book entries in one place? (outside the game)

[amber harbor]

The wiki or the google doc in pinned comments

[deft storm]

Thank you!

[unique tree]

So the corruption is getting FUBAR, right?

This weather legit feels like a gateway.

[deft storm]

yeah feels like stranger things idea...it looks cool though!

[near leaf]

so, next map will be somewhere west of louisiana, i guess...texas?

[real cedar]

West past the desert and mountains, and also north from that one hint when Tide of Desolation ended. At first I was thinking Oregon or California cause of one hint about tall trees but now I'm much more set on Colorado, likely around Grand Junction

[real cedar]

Total hints:
TOD Epilogue - "The spores infect the insect's mind - set it flying north - toward a shadow beginning to bloom."
DW C3 -"Trees taller than I'd ever seen. An infected chimney with infected men crawling out from the top. Miners sipping molten metal from a cauldron until their jaws burned off"
C4 - "I see a forest bent in furies of wind. Terrible machines growl and gnash the earth. Dead horses decay on high hills, ripped in half by monsters"
C4 - "Blood gushed from a train engine and painted a red line across the desert. Hunters fled the swamps and crawled along the line towards a range of mountains"
C12 - ||"The blood-smeared freight cars shed dust from crossed deserts"||
C14 - ||"I'd prefer a clean ride across the wests of our country."||
C15 - ||"You're asleep in the railcar and the desert passes quickly."||
C15 - ||"Vultures are circling some animal walking across the playa"||
C15 - ||"Sunsets paint the canyons and make the rocks bleed. The air is thin, hard to breathe"||
C15 - ||"On the other side of these mountains, dying will take a new shape"||

[river socket]

Who is Alvise Seiko?

I read the katana lore but I don’t think it’s Miko

[real cedar]

The Miko is named Chisato Ryoko, Alvice is just some guy only appearing in that story

[river socket]

Oooh okay! Thank you! 🪲🪲🪲

[real cedar]

After going mad for two weeks straight I've finished a Compendium of Lore. It features every Book of Monsters entry, every Book of Weapons entry collected into stories, every Legendary Weapon blurb, every Legendary Hunter bio, every Event story, every blog post, every Port Sulphur Band song, every poster and letter in the map, links to connect pieces of lore for better reading, a full timeline, and some extra observations such as real life connections and translations.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_rKddGsDAJjaijR5uK1gefOipscWTXeFy8Ry0vF-oTY/edit?usp=sharing

[warm quartz]

You really are a mad scribe

[high stone]

Wow!

I’m sure everyone appreciates it!

[high stone]

What’s DW C3?

[real cedar]

Desolation's Wake, Chapter 3

[high stone]

Not sure how it could be the case, but I’m going to laugh so hard if the new map comes out for Colorado/Wherever, and it’s somehow all re-used assets from Farcry 5

[high stone]

interesting that they say “spore”

[sleek sphinx]

The sculptor was just a giant fungus colony the whole time

[green pollen]

Magic evil mushroom? Lore is crazy

[frozen drift]

Did everyone light up the Union suit dude…?

[vernal crescent]

hey outta nowhere but is there any lore entries that describe the start of the Louisiana outbreak?

[upbeat kiln]

<@&357256267087085568> Can we get a pin on this, please? :)) ❤️

[burnt storm]

Done

[brazen root]

Yeah Colorado for sure

[warm quartz]

They don't know in Louisiana what we did in Colorado

[real cedar]

There isn't much in the way of describing the very beginning beyond different accounts of "some sickness is spreading and strange people showed up with guns" but you can hear about the beginning of it spreading to DeSalle in Fenella Cleve's interview: Lebel Aperture, Vetterli Silencer, and Vetterli Marksman masteries. It's a good enough example of what the beginning everywhere else could've looked like.

[frozen drift]

So we’re heading to New Orleans now it seems, or at least west.

The drowned are left to guard Lawson, DeSalle, stillwater, what have you. If I’m correct.

[granite shard]

We’re headed significantly further west than New Orleans lol

[deft storm]

Thank you!! This must have been a ton of work

[real cedar]

It was a lot but man I'm glad image to text converters exist, I was going to be stupid and type it all out otherwise 💀

[deft storm]

Having the dev Q&As is awesome, it really answers some specific questions

[real cedar]

Be sure to check out some of the other pinned docs too, they compiled much of the lore a while back

[deft storm]

definitely will!

[rotund ferry]

it's def out of state

[real dove]

Yeah. Last chapter of DW talks about desert. No way is that NOLA.

I wonder if we are gonna get a new grunt type with "armored" chest from sipping metal

figures we are getting a few new enemies

[high stone]

New grunt types would be fun, it was nice to get those Miner versions when Desalle came out

[real dove]

i suspect we will get several, i just suspect that will be one version

[tiny plover]

Hi, doing my skim through old chats, I think the Beekeeper lives. How else do we have her notes from last event? She even writes about the climax with the boat and the new god being born, was she writing all that in past tence DURING the event??? Think she got out with the rest, dont know about the rest of the demented though. I asssuuumme they're around based on Hardin's campaign this event?

A bunch of the compiled lore in the books is first hand written by The Researcher, priamarily the monster notes and Especially the Assassin's notes, but the person narrating stuff in the background is another researcher in the future commenting on connections, hunter relations, etc etc.

Remember, everything we're doing, have done, and will do in Hunt is in 1895. Its all already happened.

The lore always refers to the problems in New Orleans as "The Lousiana Event," or something to that effect. Same way we would talk about "The Pandemic," a disastrous event that got crazy out of hand and in theory could happen anywhere, anytime. The Hunt World isnt just Louisiana, crazy supernatural shit pops up all over the world. Our Swamp is just a small, acutely bad version of that.

[rare dirge]

I guess that makes sense I don’t quite remember what her last chapter said exactly I’ll have to reread it but I coulda sworn the last chapter with the rat said something about her getting either stuck in the land of the dead or like outright killed I’m sure if I just go look at it again i could figure it out

[real cedar]

The one thing that could hint at several hunters being lost to the Land of the Dead is one line in the Rat's final chapter: "The Path spread a cover between us and Desolation and splashed over the cave. It drank us in. Spat us out all across the bayou, in trees, creeks, and on roofs and walkways.", So the Graven Path got some hunters out of the land, but it's not specified who exactly. I'd assume just the drowned cause they're the ones with a connection to the path (and nobody else is ever mentioned since) but it could be others.
Doesn't explain how the books got out but that's par for the course imo. Who grabbed Enola's diary?

Oh wait, Lynch did, derp

Worm Bite also got out, so that's another point towards multiple hunters surviving

[tiny plover]

There's also the element of the Lord of the Dead. He's a weird one aint he?

Multiple entries explain hunters interacting with him, passing tests from him, seeing him in the distance. You'd assume he presides over everything in the LotD, but he doesnt exactly act like a king per say from what we've seen.

He tested the twins, interacts with Lynch, presumably has some connection with the Death Pact, but he doesnt seem to be very motivated in any direction. Sort of a Korn sitting on his skull-throne beat, an all powerful being that rules over a fundamental force of nature that kinda just.. sits there?

What does have to prove? As long a people are continuing to die, all is good. Id also wadger that he's not a HUGE fan of the Sculptor bringing back corpses and fucking with the natural order, but he doesnt seem wildly motivated to put a stop to it.

As far as I understand, the Sculptor lives in the LotD as well. This isnt directly confirmed, we never see him/her/it directly, hear from them, anything. Just that their statues are there and he influences Earth from the LotD, but that doesnt EXPLICITLY mean the sculptor lives there.

We just dont know about every plain of existence available in the Hunt World (think D&D, with like a dozen different plains of existence). That being said, with TRUELY nothing to go off on, this is purely wild speculation

Like, why would the Lord of Death even permit the Sculptor to do his shenanigans in the Land of the Dead, when said shenanigans literally undo the one thing Death likes. Assuming he cares at all.

[warm quartz]

Maybe Lord of Death is a lord of death, but not land of the dead

And land of the dead is more like warp where all the nasties live

Like hunting grounds

[real cedar]

Performing rituals to protect against their influence as you pass through their domain, passing trials, making bets, It's very classical mythology. Entities like that often don't care what their counterparts are doing cause it's small in the grand scheme.

Does anybody have a collection of loading screen tips? I'm missing one about Pitching Crematorium and two about Port Sulphur Band, one about them in Lawson Delta and another about their lyrics being accurate.

[tiny plover]

Even when their goals inherently contradict each other?

[real cedar]

I might be missing some lore on the Lord of the Dead, does he even have goals?

[tiny plover]

Ok, thats the part Im reaching for/questioning

Id assume the natural order of life and death preserved?

Or at least the death part lol

[real cedar]

Death could be a separate entity from the Lord of the Dead. Similar to how grim reapers are often not the custodians of the afterlife. Or Charon vs Hades

The Death pact seems to think that Death the entity is the one who screwed up the natural order at least in part

[tiny plover]

To circle back to WH40 logic, Korn right? God of blood and war. He HAS goals, but he's also really just a personified force of nature. Beyond his personal goals, his goal of exisiting and propagating his existence by facilitating what brings about his power is pretty important

[tiny plover]

I mean he is basically just fucking around with Lynch RN, making bets and whatnot. Id characterize him closer to the Mysterious Benefactors moreso than a WH40K God, or any entity that, yknow, gives a shit about their domain of power lol

Less cosmic horror, at least while you're talking to him so he doesnt melt your brain or whatever, more.. a schmuck with mild stakes in the game but all-in-all will survive the fallout if it goes bottoms up?? Not sure I can find the words....

[real cedar]

I think I get what you're getting at, to me it's the lackadaisical nature that implies the LotD sees the entire Louisiana Event as nonthreatening. Louisiana might see the graven path opening up as a terrible event, but to him it's only noteworthy enough for a casual bet

[tiny plover]

Hard to tell. Only otherworldly motivations we have come from The Sculptor, Lynch, Snake God dude, the Moon, and the Lord of the Dead. Not much of a pantheon. Hard to get an idea of what everyone wants when you cant compare them, when they arent brought to light by conflicting views/goals

Like, the Moon doesnt seem keen on the Sculptor doing his thang, and then eventually Mr. Chary, but to what end?

Why does the LotD even give two shits about lynch (granted we dont actually know much about her as a haint but still)

What does that snake god have in all this (Besides being old lore thats promptly been ignored; where tf are the twins)? Why does he care about fucking over Lynch?

Theres a lot of motivations by actors playing on another realm of existance, and we really dont know much about ANY of them

[real cedar]

At least in BATS, the Teche Snake or the entity that summons it is implied to be one of several entities that Lynch has pissed off in some way - though how would Collins know that, is the eternal question. Given her penchant for summoning things on the scale between demon and deity then gutting them for their juices, it makes sense some entities just dislike her enough to meddle for no reason beyond spite.

[tiny plover]

Thats a whole 'nother realm of questioning. Demons??

Like, what kind, Christian? Just using the word for a lack of a better one?
Where do they come from? Is hell real? Are they the classic horned demon, or something more old world, natural, edlich

[real cedar]

That summoning thing and her knowledge of how to bypass the Lord of the Dead in BATS may also explain how she made a bet with him. Sometimes in mythology these entities are compulsive, do the right ritual or push the right buttons and they are compelled to treat with you.

[tiny plover]

WHERE DO THESE FUCKERS KEEP COMING FROM AND WHY DONT THEY FUCK OFF

Like, they juice demons for innoculum, cool. From fucking where? Hell? LotD? Somewhere else? How many places are there for other worldly beings to pop out from?

What kind of demons? We talking imps? ghosts? Some dude named Jeff who ate a baby in 1802?

[real cedar]

I think demons is just word, some guy in ancient defunct lore said the Louisian Event was caused by a "southern Djinn" which is an arabic equivalent of demon. Another part refers to Loa, voodoo spirits. Everyone calls it how they understand it, even if it's not perfectly aligned with their religious descriptions.

[tiny plover]

Its the nature of the lore, but so many unanswered questions in the Mechanics of the World, how shit ticks in the grand game.

[real cedar]

I think there's just the one place that these entities come from. Not much to prove that idea, just that no other place has ever been mentioned and the ancient hint in the Dev Q&A about 'The Sundering' makes me think that there was an event that caused two realities to impact each other and form rifts that go back and forth. Then again, they could've just dropped that idea like they dropped the True Deck.

Kinda like how Stephen King's The Mist works

[warm quartz]

It's Khorne and all of Warhammer's chaos gods are 100% evil

[tiny plover]

Lorehunter, this isnt the channel for it but thats objectivly wrong. 70, 80% evil sure, but not 100%

But thank you for the spelling

[deft storm]

Khorne's a Warhammer guy?

[tiny plover]

Using him as a comparison for the Lord of the Dead

in terms of how they act/goals

[deft storm]

oh ok....I thought it was a typo and you meant Crom, from Conan the Barbarian

[tiny plover]

Dude they start introducing Atlantians into hunt, the lore channel would combust

[deft storm]

I don't know anything about Warhammer lore beyond a little about the Space Marines

[tiny plover]

the server containing hunt's discord would burst

[deft storm]

haha...I get you

(Crom's a Cimmerian god, but yeah)

Which entry series is supposedly BS..."Bad as They Seem"?

[tiny plover]

Not entirely BS but a lot of it has been disproven. Alledgedly, Black Coat is the father of The Twins, and they kill him the second they meet him. But he still shows up later in the lore, alive 'n well.

Might not all be chronological, hard to tell, but it leads us to believe that Bad as They Seem isnt 100% accurate. Semi-accurate sure, but not totally.

[tiny plover]

Ah right, the War God. Got confused with Conan's ancestor and their atlantian escapades

[deft storm]

ohh ok, I see the Sunday serials too, like "The Stolen Corpse"

this shit it all over the place

[tiny plover]

Yeah basically anything that is written by a serial writier is questionable. Some of those stories have been confirmed, like the Preacher story for Immolators. In the last event, there was a statue of the event in the LotD, pointing twords the story actually being true.

That being said, we never confirmed if statues being there means that 100% those stories are Cannon lore, OR if the stories themselves are what hold power, not whether or not they actually happened.

All supposed to be Pulp-stories to entertain based of IRL events, not to be taken 100% literally as what happened, either bc of inevitable writer's bias or it simply didnt fuckin happen

Sorta the Same way reading Dante's Inferno will teach you about the time period it was written in. Obviously the dork didnt actually go to hell, but it teaches you important people/values of the author, what was relevent to them at the time

[deft storm]

Crazy that a pulp writer would even know about anyone involved in the Lousiana Event - it's like a guy writing fanfic about people involved in the Panama Papers (and worse)

I don't know, this lore is gonna get a hard reset in like year or two, lmao

it's toooo bananas

[tiny plover]

I mean, speaking of Conan, you could make the same argument about the power fantasy glorification of the lamenting of women and the driving of men.

[deft storm]

fucking sucks that Hunt has dragged on for so long, it's like living in a house while it's being built

[tiny plover]

Its just sensationalized stories

[tiny plover]

Soft reboot maybe. Do you know how much pain it would cause, wiping away all the work people have put into deciphering the lore? Just look at the pinned msgs in this channel, the lengths people go to is nuts

Let alone the writing on Cryteks end. Old and ill-fitting at times, it still is a part of Hunt's history. Literally, not in game lol

[deft storm]

that's part of why I say it, I don't know which is worse, dragging people along without a good game plan, or erasing the stuff people have dedicated a lot of attention to

[deft storm]

I'm not sure what you mean here

[tiny plover]

I think just reclarifiying is enough. They keep doing new lore and abandoning old, which makes stuff confusing as a mf. There just isnt as much world building for a lot of the problems people have with the lore

At least in terms of First-Hand accounts and the like. Credible shit

[tiny plover]

The part about making tragedy into fanfics

not that conan is a tragedy, kind of a bad example

but it was there

[deft storm]

I think the team turnover and conflicting ideas, and just the nature of writing on a staff on video game timelines produces these kind of results too....it's worth remembering, I would say

[tiny plover]

It needs recontextualization and reorganization for cohesion's sake

for sure

I love my Cork Board and String Lore, placeing the pieces together is fun... to a point

[deft storm]

no, it's an odd choice to make someone in your story writing in a widely distributed periodical, about characters that are doing extremely dangerous and secretive business

[tiny plover]

Ahh I see

[deft storm]

It's so wild, I don't know how you can do this.....it reminds me of the JJ Abrams viral marketing campaigns and his creative groups writing in general....it's just meant to string people along long enough to sell them your product

[tiny plover]

I mean I think its implied that alot of the serial writings are not well published, because yknow, 1895. There's also the element that people reading it will take it all in as just fiction. Think Omniman writing down his adventures and making a life on Earth as a writer, claiming its all fiction.

[real cedar]

Hard to tell from where we're standing, but I think the writers do have some sort of game plan that they've been working on. Reintroducing Lynch and the Lord of the Dead, putting emphasis on the Land of the Dead, bringing up the inoculation as a plot point, it seems like the last couple events - and hopefully the next one - have been connecting old lore to new, while also expanding on the sculptor. It's drip feed but it's tangible progress, especially compared to the sidequest that was the Moon trilogy.

[deft storm]

It sucks, it's bad practice

[tiny plover]

But where is Kevin. The Twins. 90% of the book of weapons characters. I hear ya, I like the direction, but I demand validation for old shit. I dont think that alienates new players either, if anything it invites them to explore old lore

[deft storm]

I don't know what Omniman is.....I think a lot of the stuff in Hunt is probably also referenced to life before massive Corporate Entertainment Media

[tiny plover]

Bc at the end of the day, Hunt's lore is secondary at best. Its like Fortnight having lore. 85% of players could give a fuck

[tiny plover]

Invincible Character, superman stand in type dude. Was evil for a bit. Then wasnt. Not important

[real cedar]

There is one line that seems to imply that nobody goes near the Twins for some reason, that's why few stories ever intersect with them

[tiny plover]

But they're still allegedly major players. Allegedly.

[deft storm]

Yeah, I can see that as the assignment given to the newer writers, to stitch together the old stuff with newer things. It's always a crappy job to get, cleaning up someone's unfinished work

[tiny plover]

At the very least they're probably still gunning for Lynch

[real cedar]

Or perhaps they will start once she's back in the land of the living

[deft storm]

don't pretzel your mind too much, it's not worth it

[tiny plover]

But I find great joy in it Tanner, even when its inevitably shot down because Ive thought myself into a rabbit hole so deep I end up in China

Im neurotic.

Its fun lol

[deft storm]

haha, I understand

[real cedar]

I've long gone past the "Is finding this lore worth it?" I'm currently skimming through 100+ hours of twitch vods to find all of three sentences of lore.

[deft storm]

THIS is great though, even just as a collection of material to look at where the writers wanted to go, and where they went

and you'll never know the real details about the game development events because people are so afraid of retaliation from saying ANYTHING bad about people at the same studio, even if they only worked with them for 5 minutes lol

this game COULD be awesome, and legendary....they got SUCH a great jump on the initial development, it's a GREAT idea, and all the maps, guns, everything are well done, so much different than 98% of the other recent games out there...it's kind of free from all the silly conventions and tropes and adolescent appeal of all the rest

they went far enough to get a real foothold, but will it stay?

it would be tragic if it turns into the same type of crap as everything else

maybe it should be an Evil Dead/Evil Dead 2 type of redo....you get the rough draft, and the much better later draft lmao

[real cedar]

In some ways that already happened when they replaced the Louisiana Event story with the Book of Weapons

If the analogy holds we'd be heading towards Ash vs. Evil dead 😂

[deft storm]

lol, are you saying good or bad? (it was good!)

[real cedar]

It was good but also an incremental tone shift, which could easily happen to Hunt

[deft storm]

I think it is happening, noticing the changes in the art choices back as far as Scrap Beak

The weapon lore pieces have always been a little scattered, so I don't know. Sometimes it feels like the empirical things you find in the game world is much different than the writing

The poetic/song lyric style of writing doesn't do any of us any favors either, lol

like the grunts drinking molten metal...is that real? why would they do that?? Is just supposed to sound like a cool poetic metaphor in a song, not literally something the infected people are doing in the world of the game?

[empty basin]

They have incurable hunger I thought

[real cedar]

I'm thinking it's literal, someone else had the idea it's a new type of grunt, similar to the metalhead hounds

[deft storm]

They don't like fire....they drinking yellow-hot metal???

[real cedar]

Before they turn fully, infected people have demented logic

[empty basin]

They work in a smelting works a d miss lunch idk lol

[deft storm]

i saw that....the hounds literally have a helmet though, it's the same as the spiked collars, someone PUT them on the dogs

[real cedar]

Similar in the sense of mechanics, can't melee that part or hit it with compact ammo

[deft storm]

that's the board game logic...I understand what type of enemy that is, but there's definitely a better solution if that;s what they want to do for a realistic, physical grunt character

[real cedar]

All it would take is one or two miners to do that and the sculptor would think it's neat to copy

[deft storm]

I don't know, it's such a loose description, it feels like it's trying to cause some speculative engagement.....you know, "Let the fans figure it out!"

[deft storm]

so is the "sculptor" just literally like a Star Trek replicator

[real cedar]

That's the entire event for sure, all those "Hey look a new map is coming!" lines

[deft storm]

MBA genius guy ideas 🙄

[real cedar]

Something like a spiritual replicator, it takes these monsters that either formed because of its infection/corruption or because of something else and repeatedly brings them into the world. There's only one immolator, doctor grunt, meathead, potentially only one armored but could be more, only one of each boss, at least two hives, at least a pack of hellhounds, and grunts are both replicated and created from infection.

[deft storm]

maybe they're going to add a Bioshock style character like an immolator, that spits molten metal...real stupid stuff

[deft storm]

yeah that logic has always seemed messed up to me in the game...it seems much more likely, from what you see IN game, that a bunch of doctors were dispatched with reponse teams and they became sick, and are wandering around with everyone else.

It's such a leap in reasonable thought, that it seems wrong....No idea why some game devs feel the need to explain mechanics like "multiple enemies that look alike".....everyone has suspended at least that much of their disbelief, to enjoy the game.

When you explain it like that, it kind of just reminds the player even MORE that it's an artificial world.

[real cedar]

It's backed up in a couple places, the daughter of the original hive talks about seeing her mother repeatedly and the aunt of the meathead goes mad hunting the copies. It's also something I think they intentionally choose to highlight. There really is only that only doctor grunt model, even when others like the miner grunts have multiple, and there's a poster of a doctor that can be found that looks really similar. They want to tell these stories that get repeated, and it seems like part of the Sculptor's "thing" is stories themselves.

[deft storm]

tru...that one Q&A has the writers saying they changed how the bosses worked, from a singular instance, to miracle clones

they can put another grunt model skin in, lol

[real cedar]

Yeah, the goal has always been to mesh the mechanics with the story more than is needed for suspension of disbelief

Or I guess mesh story with mechanics is more accurate

[deft storm]

they hit a wall though, where it just becomes crazy...I don't think you need to hi-light, like I said, the idea is so unbelievable it throws you out of the world

flips the story car over

do people really need a lore explanation of when a new feature or game asset is added????

[real cedar]

Hell yeah we do

Though we're not normal

[deft storm]

it's padding

[real cedar]

Is it? Story explanations for new additions seem like the opposite of padding

[deft storm]

with the weird extended development of Hunt, and the expectation that new stuff is just getting added in drips, I think a lot of it is to pad out material for events, etc.

[real cedar]

It's a chicken and the egg situation I guess, do they add story to pad out events or do the events necessitate adding story to fill their additions. A gun and two variants mean a writer has to tell a four page story for instance. In the end I'm not one to assume dev motives beyond stated design goals.

[deft storm]

If you use "Long Hand", brewers gun, to kill another Hunter, and you see they also have Long Hand.....are you supposed to assume it's a miraculous copy of the original?? No one needs to explain this stuff

[real cedar]

Not to mention the idea of multiple Marshal Brewers running around the same bayou

[deft storm]

right

you'd think attention would be paid to forging and refining the core story points, instead. Or you'd hope so, anyway.

[real cedar]

At least for the sculptor copying part, I think that does remain a core story point because it explains why you can't just kill your way to the end of the corruption when there's nobody left to turn into monsters. That's always a sore point of zombie fiction, after a couple years all the zombies would be dead.

[deft storm]

right....I always assumed the crisis part of the Lousiana Event was limited, and like 18 months or something in duration, but years in the making...the threat is that it could spread wider...but....just whole communities disappearing to the infection is obviously already bad enough. The story was about the limited event, anyway, so you kind of figure that 'waiting it out' isn't on anyone's mind.

and it's not just a "simple" "infection", there's other supernatural pieces to the puzzle, so killing your way out becomes a moot point too

[real cedar]

Yeah, even if it wasn't copying then you're still stuck with whatever it is having an effect on the area

[deft storm]

treating the sculptor like a replicator is nuts

it's like "writer living in their own brain" problem

[real cedar]

Early descriptions had it in 94-95 but more recent lore talks about the hunt being in full swing in 93 and now we're going into 96 so we definitely would've run out of grunts to kill.

[deft storm]

I guess I also assumed that the "matches" are really condensed timelines (suspend your disbelief here so that the gameplay can happen) of encounters that take place over a few days, and probably only happen like...once or twice a month. I think a lot of the assumptions made are just from a lack of reasonable details given by the writers

[real cedar]

true, there's no saying how often exactly the hunts were going on. At the very least it was daily in summer of 1895, the scrapbeak mastery makes mention of guns firing all the time

[deft storm]

I figured most of the time is spent by people like Brewer, or Harold Black sneaking around with hired or like-minded people investigating things, working out logistics, etc.. sorry, long winded way of saying "there's plenty of grunts for everyone" LOL

the 93-96' thing I can see too....maybe there's a lull for 4 months, then another town starts to get infected...

[real cedar]

Or maybe not. The online story Journals of elwood finch in March 1895 talks about sending hunters to their death daily, and how they have killed hundreds and hundreds of monsters in the past year, yet numbers do not wane

[deft storm]

oh ok!

maybe that's an unreliable narration

(leaving themselves an out)

[real cedar]

😂 maybe Finch just went schizo for a bit and forgot how to count

[deft storm]

that makes sense, even if they're just water devils...a couple a day at the least...over a year

[unique tree]

How close are we to WW1?

Is the timeline advancing?

[high stone]

Around 20 years?

[real cedar]

Timeline might be advancing. Tide of Shadows happened Summer 1895, Tide of Corruption happened in November 1895, and one line in Desolation's Wake might imply that it takes place in early 1896 but we haven't officially crossed the threshhold yet.

[unique tree]

Dying to know what happens.

[granite shard]

I think DW is prob at the tail end of december 1895

the next event will 100% be in 96 tho

[real dove]

agreed. They could be traveling in 1896, but I also think we are in 1895 until they give us a hard date

or someone mentions celebrating the new year

[real dove]

was there a mention that put TOC in november?

[mint wind]

The weather.

[granite shard]

I can't remember off the top of my head but one of the lore chapters had a mention of november

[real cedar]

At the end of Chapter 13, "Instead, I looked to the late November sky and its crimson burning"

[brazen root]

So wtf is the graven path in kingsnake

[real dove]

gotcha, thank you!

the graven path is/was a path into the Land of the dead

[brazen root]

Hm

[warm quartz]

Sure, they might be 0.00000000001% about honor or other neutral thing, but why do 100% of their followers end up shoving a fork down their peeholes just for fun?

Pure evil I say

[slim panther]

So where is wormbite on the good vs evil spectrum?

[noble scarab]

closer to good than evil, but also he's a hunter, which means he is a deranged murderer

but at the least he probably wouldnt just murder someone in cold blood because they happened to be there

[high stone]

Some of them must not be deranged murderers…they don’t have to shoot everybody, that’s more the players choice 🙂

[slim panther]

Yeah, not every Hunter is outright wanting or enjoying killing other Hunters.

[empty basin]

That's why I feel the bounty plays a great part because money can bring all kinds of characters from all kinds of backgrounds. People there to fight the corruption, people going there to aid the corruption, sick murderers, and any kind of background you can think up was down and out and heard there was money to be made in the bayou

[unique tree]

Who is really this Hex Breaker guy? Something like the ultimate destroyer of Corruption?

[slim panther]

I'm thinking he's more like..

An individual that comes from a long line of monster hunters, think like Van Hellsing

[real cedar]

He's not!Van Helsing, yeah

[slim panther]

Who are experienced in dealing with supernatural shit like this

[unique tree]

That's cool af

[slim panther]

From what I understand, the AHA is just a group of more or less experienced killers and people that don't really fully know what the fuck's happening or how to stop it, whether that's from ignorance or general lack of experience

Whereas the Hex Breaker probably has knowledge on what's ACTUALLY causing everything and for why.

[unique tree]

I sort of thought of Witchers, because Witcher is also known as Hexer, and well, Hex Breaker...

His description feels like it's telling us what people believe, whether true or not.

Particularly interested in this guy and the unseeing gal.

[real cedar]

I think the AHA is competent, just that the sculptor is something they haven't faced before, or at least don't have information on. Witches and stuff seem like they're a solved issue, at least by how Hex Breaker talks about it and the Witch Hunter's bio. In the old defunct Louisiana Event lore someone makes a casual reference to "the poltergeist case of '82" as if it's just another thing to handle. That's probably how the AHA is best viewed, each supernatural thing is like a single bounty to them.

poltergeists may not be canon anymore but other lore talks about quelling demons and doing occult rituals with a casual tone so I think it still fits.

[rotund ferry]

I kinda just view him as one of the only guys actually dedicated to getting rid of the corruption to actually get rid of it
instead of money or because character(s) is threatening them

[high stone]

He’s an imitation skin of Solomon Kane, I think. Had to look him up, he doesn’t actually look like him, but the “Crimson Mist” or whatever it was in his description is probably a reference to the first story he was in: “Red Shadows”

[real cedar]

Oh good catch

Crimson shadows did sound like a reference but I checked castlevania and van helsing first

[high stone]

He does kind of look like a Witcher character…the Corvids look like Ren Fair cosplay people, too

I’m still waiting for a Jonah Hex imitation skin! (The good comic or Batman Animated Series version, not the terrible movie version)

[unique tree]

Solomon Kane... interesting. I've only watched the movie.

Do you think we get to see the hell on earth? Judging from AHA (America's Hunters Association), does it mean that this crap is happening all over the world?

And what I can't stop thinking about is WW1.

One of the skins has WW1 aesethics.

[high stone]

Which one?

The immolators and hellhounds DO feel like infernal, hell-on-earth stuff

[unique tree]

The new weather type is fire.

[high stone]

Ohh yeah. That’s a real smoke helmet they had back then, but I also thought “WWI” when I saw his little ammo pouches

[real cedar]

It's the little spout on the top of the helmet that's reminiscent of a pickelhaube without the spike.

The immolator is definitely the oddest of the monsters. Everything else feels like it came from the corruption, Scrapbeak and Rotjaw you learn how they came to be, yet the immolator doesn't feel like the sculptor had anything to do with beyond copying it, and we don't really know what force caused it. Is spontaneous combustion just a paranormal thing that can happen in the Hunt universe?

[high stone]

I just learned the hellhounds were originally invulnerable to fire, in earlier versions of the game?? With those two and the Butcher, there’s definitely a firey damnation thing going on

[unique tree]

Probably has something to do with Soul Survivor.

If you fail, you get set on fire.

[real cedar]

The immolator did come soon after quickplay was added

Though, every piece about the immolator's lore we do have doesn't point towards damnation being the cause, might just be a thematic coincidence

[high stone]

It doesn’t add up, for sure

[granite shard]

tbh worm bite seems less like he's not really a murderer. he seems to mostly be in the bayou to deal with other people's murders

he's absolutely deranged in other ways tho lmao his whole "bury a body with a bullet so they can help him kill death" thing is so unhinged and I love it

[real dove]

I think the world Hunt takes place in has multiple types/sources of magic, and thus, not all the supernatural we see comes from the sculptor. That's why immolators have no connection- the origin story is a different type of magic, and the sculptor was like OOO i like that and started creating copies.

less i think and more we know there are different magic sources (the moon being the biggest example, but lord of the dead, lynch, chary, etc...)

[silver cargo]

it glows orange in darksight

[slim panther]

A Jonah Hex skin would be sick

[tiny plover]

So basically Mr. Chary did some magical BS that opened up the gate to the LotD. Something about a play..? That cracked it open, then the Demented used human sacrifices to punch it the rest of the way open.

Path has been used a bunch in lore if Im not mistaken (Bad As They Come story uses a path to the LotD, not sure if its specificially Kingsnake Tho)

Something something... Mr. Chery made an evil zombie lady...

Pig Guts...

Moooouuunnnndsss....

[granite shard]

Chary didn’t open up the graven path. Sofia did that by destroying his portal with Finch’s blood

[tiny plover]

Ahh, misconception then

[real dove]

mmm kinda. Chary opened a gate that was closed immediately by the death pact/sofia. but that caused the graven path to open

[tiny plover]

But was that not Chary's goal?

[real dove]

or chary was trying to open one, but it got destroyed

[tiny plover]

mm mm

[granite shard]

He wanted a small, personal gateway

[tiny plover]

Silver Bullet MacGuffin yus

btw, the death pact still needs to fish him out

Like they just fucking left him there

and went west

[granite shard]

I think most hunters are content to let chary rot in the land of the dead

[real dove]

fish who out? death pact isnt gonna get him

[tiny plover]

I think besides Chary, Death Pact are the only one's who know.... I know he's kiiinnnddaa a bastard, but his magic blood is kinda useful

If nothing else

[real dove]

the moon is currently (or is, as of TOD) kicking his ass

ohhhh fish Finch out

makes more sense

[tiny plover]

Finch from his Batman Dark Night Bane Prison

Yeah

"The Hole"

[real dove]

mmmmm he (imo) is likely dead dead

his blood was only useful in the ground of the talkrock afaik

which was destroyed

[granite shard]

Finch is dead dead

[real dove]

there was a statue (?) of someone buried under a bunch of rope and wood n shit, which imo was them confirming he's gone

but

[tiny plover]

I mean yeah because it came up. Immortal silver magic blood HAS to have more uses than "Shoot the YapperRock 🙂 "

[real dove]

i guess they could bring him back

[granite shard]

I think they’re done resurrecting people for now

[tiny plover]

Say that to B. Coat lol

[granite shard]

The land of the dead has been mostly sealed back up and so finch is just gonna rot there

[tiny plover]

but yeah "For now" being key

[granite shard]

Black coat did not die to the twins

[tiny plover]

But we THOUGHT he had

ie, brought back

[granite shard]

Ok but he did not die in canon so his return didn’t have anything to do w the land of the dead

Finch died in a non fictionalized source

[tiny plover]

mm mm

Agian, "Died" Like a marvel character dies off screen

[granite shard]

He died on screen

[tiny plover]

Dude's just tied up in a hole as far as we know

They didnt cut his head off, burn him to ash, etc etc

[granite shard]

[tiny plover]

They just lowered him into a hole lol

And if he's to be believed, magic, immortal blood

That apparently some people just have..? Like a 40K Perpetual..?

[real dove]

dude they dropped him into a deep body of water

they gave him the concrete shoes

[tiny plover]

Yeah Im looking at Tie of Corruption lore rn

Idk man, seems very "And I died... but I lived!" They JUST drop him in the hole

an immortal. They Sealed him, didnt kill him

Gave him the Gojo-Cube treatment

[real dove]

wher is the immortal

[tiny plover]

fuck uuuuhhh

[real dove]

please tell me where you got him being immortal from

[tiny plover]

Book of monsters

wait ononon

[real dove]

where, specifically?

[tiny plover]

Book of weapons

[real dove]

yes

i got that

where in the book of weapons

[tiny plover]

idfk you know how many of random entiries there are? I know its a 2 parter note, something about Finch trying to bring in a new hunter

[real dove]

cause I know dude has special blood from TOC but there is no mention of his blood in BOW that I've ever seen

[tiny plover]

Something about old blood, and how the dude needs a job and Finch wants him, but after his first hunt he's like Nah Cheif

Something about outliving all his loved ones

Fuck someone JUST posted an updated compedium I have no exsuse for "Ill just look at it when I log in : ) "

[granite shard]

his wife was murdered

so he outlived her

[tiny plover]

ok its the Journal of James Byren, re-reading the 2nd part

[real dove]

chapter 9 from TOC Sofia

Old blood

which... is funny cause we all have blood dating back from the cavemen but herg

[tiny plover]

"I have met with Finch, and I fear I was correct. The man is mad..." " Immortal, was the word he used. Complete and utter madness."...

"He took my jokes in stride, but did not veer from his purpose. We are two of a kind, he said, and when I told him I did not see what we had in common, he told me I would in time. At that he laughed.

"It took me many, many years to understand as well, "he said, then spoke of the wives he had buried before he had accepted his fate."

[tiny plover]

Yeah, but his is Pure Blooded Neandrathal Inbred blood. Very powerful

Old blood.

Here lets see if this works: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_rKddGsDAJjaijR5uK1gefOipscWTXeFy8Ry0vF-oTY/edit#heading=h.cytsy2sg7o4w

ok cool the link loads to the right part

Once agian, thanks to all you psycho's who crave organization as opposed to simply piecing all the pieces together in the Cork Board / Strings of the Mind (Poorly)

[real dove]

lol yeah big nod to Rai for that. You're right, my bad. Immortal in the sense of time, but I still think he's dead dead

that being said, the fact that he seems to share something with the journal writer may mean there is other blood out there...

guess we shall see

[tiny plover]

I just dunno. They make his blood special, he's hinted at being more of a MacGuffan than originally given credit... it might be "Ive never died so I must be immortal : ) ", or even a "your name will llive on" kinda immortal"

But In a game with ghosts, ghouls, monsters and witches, is a line of immortals that make up 0.00001% of the population that crazy...?

[real dove]

fair. idk. to me the statue thing makes me think they are killing him off for good, but wont know for sure until they bring him back i guess

[tiny plover]

And with Lynch bringing back dead folks, and seemingly the LotD only takes like, 5 dead people to open (ignoring all the only shit to weaken the door), he could easily be brought outta the hole. Likely to be drained like a stuck pig for Plot reasons, but still

In theory

[real dove]

true. i dunno. I do think lynch will be why we go back to NOLA after this new map where Hardin murders everyone so he can have all the shiny toys to himself

[tiny plover]

Also my hottake that the Statues didnt necessarily confirm cannon lore but rather showed us the importance of stories (Think Fae shit)

[real dove]

could be that she pulls him out. idk

mmmmmm yes but no to me, I think it was the writers trying to show us what did happen vs what didnt. but will see. wont see them for a bit i think lol

[tiny plover]

fair as fair as. Its the nature of the sculptor as described by lynch that got me on that note. "Collecting Stories" ie parts of your soul when you do magic. But not souls directly, not anything as concrete. He just collects Stories.... Why? To learn how to win? Currently he's winning, at least long term.

To summon a new bug god like at the Mound? You need stories for that?

Gives me Warp/Immaterium vibes

Where Thought/Belief is what matters, not truth.

[slim panther]

Lore COMPENDIUM?

Oh boy oh boy

[tiny plover]

Check Pinned

like 20 diffrent cuts, but Rai updated it so it SHOULD have everything up until now

Ctrl + F is your friend lol

[slim panther]

This pleases my lore brain

[brazen root]

Alright i see. The fuck are they going into the land of the dead for?

[tiny plover]

Something something becoming Gods

[brazen root]

Hm

Interdasting

[tiny plover]

Mr. Chary first wanted to go to gain the power to upercut the Sculptor. Kinda lost the plot and started wrestling the Moon, bc the Moon went "Hey, stop... killing and fucking up everything... me included"

Then the Demented filled the power gap and bullied their way into the Land of the Dead to assend to Godhood

At least that was the plan... dunno if they really thought it through...

[slim panther]

Hope we get Finch as a legendary

Lore hunters are cool

[real dove]

I'd love to see them all as characters, but idk if i want them as hunters

will see i guess

[real cedar]

You can relive Finch going to Wolfshead Arsenal in trials mode, he's the only non-legendary character to get a trial which is interesting

[amber harbor]

What was the deal with Finch's blood having voodoo properties? Was he the son of the devil?

[real cedar]

in the Journal of James Byrne Finch claims he's immortal. Chary getting rid of him by entombing him in a watery pit and specifically using oleander - the same thing the lunar pact used to weaken Chary - seems to confirm that.

[amber harbor]

so he's just on stasis now?

also who's James

[real cedar]

Nagant Officer Carbine Deadeye and Winfield Musket Bayonet mastery, just some lore character who might also be immortal

Finch might be in stasis or might also be dead if the oleander works. I think more likely the former based on a theory that PSB's Drowning Water is describing Finch still being alive, perpetually drowning in the hole.

[high stone]

Are there any descriptions of Finch?

[real cedar]

He shows up in plenty of stories but not much in the way of description far as I remember

[granite shard]

There’s a photo in the tide of corruption lore background that I took to be finch but it could be anyone

Mostly bc it was in the middle of chary’s little murder wall

[high stone]

Ohh interesting!

[granite shard]

Yeah it’s not confirmed that’s finch but imo it would make the most sense

[twin ravine]

gravity falls reference?

[high stone]

Because of the eye?

[twin ravine]

yeah basicly

[frigid zenith]

Quick question about the game’s lore, in the intro scene in the tutorial, where our characters was injected with something and then passed out in a barn house, what were we getting injected with?

[real cedar]

The inoculation, it grants the ability to use darksight, gives resistance against the corrupting effects of the sculptor, renders you sterile, and is made from the juices of a demon-god-thing captured and killed using ropes made of live human flesh

[frigid zenith]

If you are resistance against the corrupting effects, why can’t you stay past the timer after the match end, is there a reason why you can’t just “walk back” after the timers end without getting your hunter lost?

[real cedar]

I don't remember reading too much about the match timer, just one mention from an early piece of lore in the Armored entries: "it's a sure death to spend more than an hour in the hunting grounds"
A whole bunch of lore completely ignores that idea, people stay in compounds overnight without any issue. In the Dev Q&A, they say this regarding the question of match timers: "Abstraction - when you're lost in the bayou, you're good as dead"

[livid cave]

I figure the innoculation is only good for so long

[real cedar]

So one way you could look at it is that the extraction carriages and boats and whatnot just leave after an hour and whoever is left is stranded out in the bayou, having to walk for miles and miles to get out.

That's just my headcanon

[livid cave]

which surely would be a death sentence

[high stone]

Which entry has the part about the demon-god thing?

[real cedar]

Caldwell Pax and Caldwell Pax Claw, in the 'Filed Under Lynch' stories.
it's a Collins tale so it could be embellished to all hell to be fair

Ah it also shows up in Caldwell Pax Trueshot

[high stone]

Ahh, a big grain of salt, there! Thankyou thankyou

[mint wind]

Can also be that the corruption is now too strong to stay in, it might have been less dangerous earlier on.

(also someone should make a meme with Peter running from a plane regarding Drilling entries)

[granite shard]

I thought I read somewhere that that was actually the reason

Iirc there was also something that stated people couldn’t stand more than two hours in the corruption even w the innoc but that might have been walked back

But yeah the extracts just fucking off makes the most sense to me

[real dove]

^ I also thought there was something there about that too. maybe it was in the AMA and im not sure that is cannon anymore.

canon? cannon. cannnnnon. herg

I wonder if the folks driving the extracts are infected over time or if they also get the innoc

you roll up into an extract and the driver is now a grunt and you can't go that way

I legit hope the next map has trains as extract points

would be dope AF

[amber harbor]

Thats some sentence huh

[high stone]

Yup

What’s the timeline like, in the lore, of describing the situation as “corruption”? I always thought “infection”, but I was also never assuming some abstract ‘sculptor’ powers, where it can change anything at any time….

the corruption concept is so abstract, in origin and intent, that it just makes more headaches

[deft storm]

tbf it's probably placeholder

"Just get it in the for the executive demo, we'll replace it later.*"

*We won't replace it later.

[granite shard]

tbh I don't see much of a difference between calling it a corruption and infection in terms of the abstraction of it all

they feel fairly interchangeable in my mind since the core concept of it being something caused by the sculptor and it being able to impact people feels the same

the change to referring to it more as corruption might be since they're playing up the supernatural aspect of the sculptor more, and as the hunters are able to see this is more of something impacted by a being beyond full mortal understanding they consider it corruption as opposed to an infection

[deft storm]

It feels like they just changed direction in the story at some point, and this is what happened (or they don't care where it goes). It's lame to see them go heavier on the "black goop = generic evil corruption sauce" and B-minus horror movie tropes like the ash-bloom/corruption concept, evil realm eating through EVERY surface you can see, like cartoon magic

doesn't feel as restrained as when it started...I have no idea what any of the rules are, doesn't really seem like anyone does

I get why Crytek would keep it open ended, so they don't corner themselves

it's frustrating though

[high stone]

The ash bloom does look awesome in game though…even if it were just the ash after the inferno torched everything

[granite shard]

tbh I don't feel like they've really hard pivoted from earlier stuff in terms of the setup for the world? Like from the beginning everything was kinda a wishy washy otherwordly evil impacting things

like tbh I see it less of a changed direction for the story as much as they actually gave the story a direction. they've talked a fair bit abt how they hadn't expected hunt to last this long

so old lore feels more like set dressing as opposed to anything meant to tell and progress an actual story

(and tbh I say "old lore" but we still get lore that is very on par with the "old" stuff with current book of weapons. BoW and event lore just generally feel like they're serving two different goals. one is to generally provide set dressing and whatnot and the other is to tell and progress the story of what's happening in the world)

[deft storm]

Definitely serving two different goals... It just seems like there's that disparity between what you see in game, what it looks like is going on, and then what the Monster/Weapon/Event entries say is going on...

[real cedar]

Early references to corruption as the source of the problem can be found in 2018 with the online blogs "A Communique for All Hunters" and "Damnation", then next seen in the Hellhound entry in the book of monsters. So basically since the beginning

[deft storm]

you guys talking about the Immolator up there is an example....the logical connection would be something connected to Soul Survivor, but then the Immolator lore is...something else

[granite shard]

imo trying to piece together gameplay and lore will be a losing game most of the time

[deft storm]

but why? They should be easily coordinated

[granite shard]

not really, the game is there to be a multiplayer game with specific mechanics to keep it balanced and fun there. like on the highest level if you try and connect the game and the lore, then there can be tweleve reverands running around the bayou at once

the lore supplements the game in terms of giving you the stakes and why people are running around doing this, and obviously the lore shouldn't completely drift away from the game, but I don't think that the lore should be a 1 to 1 match with the main game itself

[high stone]

I thought it was some kind of infection through wasps when I first played - because there are so many nests hiving up buildings, and corpses. The way the Hive and Armored are, they looked like the wasps were driving a zombie infection anyway

[real cedar]

It certainly acts like one

Infestation, infection, corruption, seems like they're used interchangably

[worthy nova]

Having duplicate skins and weapons never felt like it breaks immersion to me, it feels like there’s a line there where those things are acceptable because they’re circumstances of gameplay

[granite shard]

but another thing like that to me that is a gameplay feature that contradicts what we see hunters doing in canon is the 45 minute match timer

[deft storm]

I don't know, I expected that they could coordinate. The open choices they have when creating the lore are so flexible, they can do whatever they want to make plausible connections...instead we have a lot of choices that go out of the way to make things more convoluted, in arbitrary ways

[granite shard]

like again, that's something that exists strictly for gameplay purposes that limits storytelling potentials so it's become something they've ignored

[real cedar]

and the inverse is that some things in stories can't happen in game, like meatheads busting down walls or seeing the land of the dead. There'll always be splits between em

[granite shard]

yeah

imo it limits both game and lore if they try and really make them line up

they have their lore acknowledgement w things in game (and gameplay acknowledgement w lore stuff) but I personally don't mind them diverging

[high stone]

I think they could come up with something satisfying! They got the core game down, after all

[granite shard]

but I don't think anything hasn't been satisfying due to the link between game and story

the dissatisfaction for me has more been in things that don't get explored deeply enough due to how they tell their stories

[worthy nova]

Ooh, what do you mean?

[deft storm]

I think the player knows that there are 12 Reverends, because they can choose the Reverend and see how other players did too. But the player didn't make a choice for the match timer, it's a boundary they have to manage, so I guess they might expect an explanation there..

[granite shard]

we get the starts of stories in things like the book of weapons that there's no clear timeline on when (or if) we'll get a continuation of them. or sometimes in events I want to see more details as to what's happening, but they're limited in words/chapters so they can't dig as deeply into things like character motivations or the downtime between major events

[real cedar]

Charlie Salter's journal has been stuck at 2/4 since the book of weapons first started 😭

[granite shard]

an example is that I really enjoyed the katana story and saw it was parts 1 and 2 of 3.... and who knows when/if we'll get 3/3

or there's just legendary hunters who are really cool whose stories we've never gotten to explore more deeply

and we'll hopefully get to them at some point but it's kinda up in the air until we do (prodigal daughter my beloved when will you get a story focus? and I really want to see more of the phantom!)

[granite shard]

the eternal pain

it's something that I know I've talked abt here before, but a book of hunters would be really cool to flesh out some of the hunters some more

unlock the chapters by playing as/killing the different legendary hunters and unlock stories abt them

(or at the very least, have it tell you where the hunters appear in the BoW bc how the hell should someone know the phantom is all throughout the winnie vandal line, or that lulu & sofia have stories that go through the scottfield variants, and then in the ironside & lemat carbine)

[deft storm]

Obviously this is coming from a place of love, for Hunt...but I would say it's dissatisfying...The piles of questions just gets larger, and many main ideas are set up, but not paid off. Sometimes when questions are answered, it's in a style that creates two more questions!

[granite shard]

the questions being set up don't have anything to do with the gameplay itself tho

like the questions are getting set up in the narrative, and then are potentially not answered in the narrative

tide of desolation felt very unsatisfying narratively at the end for me as it felt like it had no real conclusion, but Desolation's Wake worked as that conclusion and has left me feeling more positively abt ToD afterwards

[deft storm]

It's kind of like in Christopher Nolan films, where he does just that...describes things in way where the solution isn't thought out well enough thought-out, to address the new questions it creates...

[granite shard]

it's like coming into Overwatch and expecting the core PvP game to give answers to things set up in one of the books

it's cool when hunt ties things in from the lore into the environment of the game, like with the graven path, but I'm not coming in there expecting to see things getting fully addressed there

[deft storm]

I see what you mean, but those seem like they're separated by industry enough, that the expectation may not be there

[granite shard]

ok, then within the same game, I'm not expecting to see a follow up to the PvE in the PvP part of the game

Like there's a clear story-game separation in play where you have to come in with the expectation that there will be differences due to the core game of hunt existing to serve a "be a fun game" purpose and the lore to "expand on the world and push a narrative" purpose

there's intersections which are always exciting and fun but I do not expect to see the lore fully addressing every meta change we see in game

[deft storm]

I don't know why it's unreasonable to have an expectation for the two to line up....I think it would be great! I think it would enhance my experience of the game, especially with the epistolary style of some of the storytelling, and especially if the tone in the Lore matched the tone of the visuals, and game-play. (Not saying that every meta change needs to be addressed, either, I think there's that acceptable level of suspension of disbelief)

[granite shard]

it's because hunt isn't a story based game when it comes down to its core. I love the lore and enjoy seeing more of it, but the vast majority of the player base cares more abt gameplay balance than it does the story. That means a lot of decisions are made not bc it tells a more interesting or better story, but because it makes for a more fun game

I'm not saying they shouldn't have any ties together but I'm saying that pushing them to line up more would weaken the potential narratives

[deft storm]

No, that's an assumption, although I see what you're saying. It wouldn't definitely weaken it, they could support one another.

[granite shard]

I mean the entirety of the katana entry wouldn't have happened if it lined up with the game

which would have been a shame because that was one of my favorite entries in recent times due to how terrifying it made meatheads

it utilized some things from the game well (martialist being used primarily) but it did things that we wouldn't be able to see in game (ronin's arm getting chewed down the bone by a leach, the meathead busting down a wall, etc) that heightened the story and made it feel more tense and real

[mint wind]

Hey where in the lore do we see stuff about Solomon Jabez ?

[deft storm]

I still have to read that entry! That's not what I mean, like a 1:1 transcript, of features and abilities though.. but there are two things happening - it didn't have to be written that the leech chewed his arm (since, you're right, it might be confusing, because they don't in game), but I can also imagine the leech chewing an arm, because IRL leeches bite people, so maybe it could happen. BUT I know it's a video game, and they can't include the billion ways a human can get hurt, so I can just reasonably assume that the leech chewing my player is on the list of injuries they left out of the game. I think just because a Meathead busted through a wall in a story, doesn't mean I need to see a Meathead bust through a wall every game. Maybe it doesn't want to go through a wall that time!

My main problem is the inconsistencies in tone, style, and lack of grounded details in the more recent Lore. There's some cartoonish logic and behavior that feels out of place.

and concepts and ideas are brought up that are so abstract that it's hard to connect them with anything that feels realistic (which is a big part of what makes Hunt work!)

[granite shard]

I mean the first thing you brought up was a strictly gameplay thing w the visuals of the corruption in ash bloom

In the lore we really don’t have anything fully like what we saw in game. That was just to give a cool visual aspect to the gameplay to separate it from the fog

[real cedar]

Pelican Island Prison entries: Winfield Slate, Caldwell New Army, Romero Alamo, Sparks Pistol, Springfield Krag & Krag Bayonet, Centennial Trauma

[deft storm]

That could have easily been added to some Lore...it seems significant enough (a really weird, new phenomenon happening!) that it's worth mentioning as part of the story - I was mainly complaining about the idea/concept of Ash Bloom, the under-realm burning through, peeling off of the surface of everything, everywhere, as kind of a weak, played out idea.

(Hunt has so many scary things that match specific anxieties with the setting really well... that one just felt a little too generic and Stranger Things to me)

[icy brook]

If anyone is interested in some real hoodoo or conjuring remains, similar to the stuff used in early Hunt lore

https://bannekerdouglassmuseum.blogspot.com/2008/09/charles-carroll-house-cache.html

[empty basin]

Just want to tip my hat again to you and all the work you put into making all that lore so easily accessible

[amber harbor]

I for one like the idea of ashbloom, it reminds me of the banish effects in the pre alpha gameplay trailer

[tiny plover]

Howdy, doing my skims of old lore talks.

Idk man, would you rather nothing ever progress? Tone shift to be sure, but you play a Cowboy Warlock Game. Evil magics fucking over the world kinda comes with the territory.
Its a common trope because it often works well.

I think you may just be used to years of "And nothing is happening. Its been 5 years of cowboys shooting at each other and now all this stuff is happening. Blegh"

Less a tone shift, more they can actually afford to do 'cool' shit (quotations for subjective's sake, I like it but you seem on the fence). Like, they've built up enough lore stuff, now for shit to actually happen.

[tiny plover]

Dude most mutiplayer competitive games dont match the lore. Fortnight, R6, Overwatch, whatever shooter with a story you can think of really.

The last shooter I can think of that actually implements a lot of their story into the game is fucking TF2, and thats because they're all sociopaths that can be both kinds of characters, the dudes that interact with each other and fight robots or whatever, and they dudes bludgeoning each other with soup cans for money. It fits.

Why is Hardin shooting Statesman in the Buyou for 500 dollars? Because story in-game doesnt match text. And it cant, because player interactions ≠ story writers intent.

And to clarify, Yes Hunters are also sociopaths, but not in the same Zaney, Cartoonish way as TF2 Mercs are

Oh and I guess Hell Divers? But Id make the same arguments about Tonal Diffrences and the like. Its just easier to put in your Goofy Ah-Ha Ass Lore into the game directly when the game DOESNT take itself as seriously. Because you can get away with it.

Its Believable, even if that belief is based primarily on a Joke. Its believable because the intent is a joke, and you suspend disbelief.

Idk, I like talking about it because while this channel is for first and foremost Lore, Its fun to talk about Writing just as much. Plot beats, how stuff its conveyed, etc etc.

Its stuff like that that makes me think we Genuinely could use some kinda Lightly-to-Actual-Official blog for creative writings based off Hunt. A few people have done it before, but a collection of those stories, and a motivator to write more.

Hell, do what Game's Workshop does and allow fans to write in stories that could be published. Thats how 40K got a LOT of its lore, by giving fans the opportunity to flex their narrative wings in the universe they set up, and then using that to flesh out the universe. And if you find a couple talented authors along they way that can help you with your project...

Sorta of a "Hey we like this short story, other people should read this : ) "
With the possible extreme of that intent being
"Hey you're Really good at this... can we pay you a little?"

[small ether]

Ok I read the final chapter. Definitely getting that new map next event, right?

[tiny plover]

ye

probably

[quaint cliff]

I have a theory

Anyone want to hear it?

[high stone]

Yeah!

[quaint cliff]

I think the dogs in this new event have been decreased, I noticed a lot more empty dog cages. I was thinking maybe the dogs got sent to another location which is the reason for being in a new state and location when the engine gets upgraded.

[rotund ferry]

you're just lucky or have a challenge to kill them so the game is doing that to mess with you

I ONLY get dogs unless I need them

[quaint cliff]

I’m saying that the dog cages are more empty since this new event.

[fallow gorge]

I believe it was alluded to in one of the entries with the Red Neck. Something along the lines of normal civilians not being able to withstand the sculptor's influence for more than a few hours yet the Red Neck was so dumb he was able to resist it for days.

I don't recall there ever being an in lore explanation for why the hunts were only 1 hr, though

[neat juniper]

iiiiii am fairly certain it's because hunter serum gives only a small part of resistence to corruption, for more than an hour of course but it's better to not risk it(i have no idea where this knowledge in my head came from tbf)

[noble scarab]

It’s contradicted itself several times in the lore

Harold black states there’s a one hour limit, but we also see hunters living within the corrupted areas that were more or less fine

[neat juniper]

Suggestion!
What if serum just enhances innate resistance to corruption of a hunter, which is random to everyone, like with redneck?
And it can guarantee to EVERYONE only an hour max, like yee you could stay for longer but we don't know for how long exactly because only way to measure your resistance for sure is checking out when you get turned into a grunt, which isn't viable

[real cedar]

I think the serum is permanent, there's nothing to suggest people take it more than once, it only gets mentioned as part of the initiation rites.

[real dove]

I agree with Rai, and also the Infected had his infection slowed to nothing by the injection

to me, the injection means you dont become a grunt right out the gate, and also means you survive stuff you wouldn't normally- like a shot to the head

The hour timer, afaik, is set by the extracts leaving after that time

hour

the in game timer is set by the extracts

[upbeat kiln]

I'm in the same boat. I see it as a one-time thing. Permanent. There is no coming back from it either.

[real dove]

yeah. will see what happens next, since IMO lynch will take over NOLA after this upcoming event series whch is what will bring us back to louisiana

[upbeat kiln]

Not according to the lore. It's stated that "nothing can survive in the dead zone for more than an hour."

At least the old stuff

might have been retconned

[real dove]

could be wrong but they def made it sound that her injection is going to be an issue eventually

fair

Well, bot be fair, nothing does include the extracts lmao but yeah, i thought the same where the innoc stopsyou from becoming a grunt but you need to get out or you're lost too

to be fair jesus typing is herd

lmao

[upbeat kiln]

are you turning on us Alpacalix? lol

don't go grunt on me

[real dove]

lmao im busying writing the stuff for today's dnd sesh and its frying my brain

read back- i really think we will see corrupted wolves next map

[real dove]

could be why less dogs, if thats true

[upbeat kiln]

don't tease me with the wolf again

[real dove]

i want a wolf

[upbeat kiln]

my heart can only take so much

[real dove]

so badly

gimme crytek

we are likely going to areas that Lonely and fam know

or are familiar with

and i think the backers and Law pact are gonna be hella bad guys

corrupted wolves and eventual WW thanks

also armored grunts

that one fan vid you voiced in that had WW as the boss lives in my brain rent free

[upbeat kiln]

Dude come on - don't give them ideas like that lol

[real dove]

! but in the event story

[upbeat kiln]

concertina armoreds are already kicking my ass

[real dove]

miners who had drunk liquid metal and had burned off their jaws

sounds like new grunt with armored chest to me

[upbeat kiln]

the juggernaut grunt

grunternaut

juggergrunt

we might have to workshop the name lol

[real dove]

might

shall see

[real cedar]

Another example is the Necrosis hive bomb skin, which describes how the toxin affects Hunters by partially disabling their eyes and cellular rejuvenation, while normal people are affected with rapid blood coagulation and accelerated necrosis.

[real dove]

Solid find

[empty basin]

That's how it always played out in my head; your team decides to go on a bounty hunt in the corruption, hires a boat/wagon to bring you in and take you out. The driver says fine I'll do it, but you have this much time and I'm out of there, don't care if it's you or some other group with the bounty but I'm leaving and getting paid. That kind of covered the part where you insert on a boat and leave in a wagon on the other side of the map. You just found someone's ride in and they are willing to take you out as long as they are making their's, they have no idea if you killed the team they brought in or not.

[vivid crystal]

So are we done in Louisiana? seems like most of the characters are getting on the train(s)

[deft storm]

That's how I thought it worked in general, too, or something like that. The 60-45 "minutes" could also be a condensed representation of the actual time, since it would take way longer than an hour to run around an area like this

[deft storm]

Yeeeeeahhh this seemed like a later "addition" though. Kind of takes away some of the stakes, doesn't it? I don't think the Hunters have Wolverine/Deadpool accelerated healing factors...

I thought being shot in head and revived just has to be accepted for fun gameplay.... like how downed Hunters can also somehow survive a lit stick of dynamite thrown down their pants

[real cedar]

I don't think it takes away from the stakes at all cause nobody has been shown to really benefit from it in the lore to any serious degree

It's more like showing that this inoculation is required to even have a chance at fighting the corruption, regular people just die, and even then it's been a losing battle so far in addition to everyone who takes the injection being damned by the side effects regardless of how they do in the bayou.

[deft storm]

I think it's just another wrong-headed addition, or misunderstood here, trying to explaining something that didn't need to be explained.....The Necrosis description is also weird..they just needed text to describe the green, blurry over screen effect of the poison (affecting ocular organs??), and that you can't heal (rejuvenation). If it affects normal people differently the way it's written, it might just be because the Hunter is inoculated against the poison/zombifying agent carried by the wasps inside the Hive Bomb? Not a special comic book style healing - normal people become zombies, serum doped Hunters don't?

[real cedar]

Yeah it just protects them from grunting out. The one thing that even begins to point to comic book healing is the book of weapons entry for regeneration shots, with the modern researcher being incredulous at the idea that it actually could regenerate things rather than it being a turn of phrase.
The main thing that could imply the inoculation helps hunters survive injury more is just inference from people not dying of gunshots or serious injuries in the stories, like Hardin getting shot in Desolation's Wake or the Ronin getting chewed by a leech and Seiko getting impaled by a meathead. I think that's just plot armor though.

[noble scarab]

I think the shot does make the hunters more durable and give them more stamina, but also it traps part of their soul on the other side which enables people to get back up from being shot in the head or cut in half by a bomb lance

[deft storm]

I think the dynamite not turning a downed Hunter into flying chili is a good confirmation though (that it's necessary to ignore that detail for the sake of entertaining gameplay...it would be a little unfair if an enemy player could instantly RedSkull or disconnect you by blowing up your body)....Yeah I would guess plot armor too, or just a scramble to get the material out for the events.

[warm quartz]

Having finished the event, I look back and see that this is the laziest event yet

Most weapon skins are just copy-paste other different weapons

Hunter skins clip through each other

[river socket]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wink-gotcha-youtube-thanks-gif-5755937522137359013

It feels like an introduction but at the same time feels lacking. Idk if I’m gonna invest in this one. I just want to chapters

[real dove]

It's an end to the tides and the opening to the next trilogy. Sure, it's short and sweet but it's def meant to lead us to the next set and introduce some new players in the form of the Lawful's backers.

[granite shard]

ah yes, the important lore discussion of quality of skins in an event

[real dove]

Can't please everyone lmao, I enjoyed not having muddy rope weapon skins this time but don't spend you money if you don't like them

[deft gull]

Explain all lore for all characters in 10 word me got no time to spare

[real cedar]

People enter bayou and fight corruption for virtue and sin

[real dove]

Hunters fight hunters, monsters, beings in swamp, chary stages play

lmao

ah, that's more an overview

[fickle sluice]

Oh yeah, let's make it Haikus

Bounty is paid for monsters
Leadership goes crazy and wants more power
Shit has hit the fan

[real dove]

The (character) came to swamp for (reason), starts murdering stuff

[fickle sluice]

oh shit

wait

[real dove]

Haiku is 5 syl, 7 syl, 5 syl no? or is my

[fickle sluice]

it's syllables right

[real dove]

yeag

i think

[fickle sluice]

yeah you're right

dang

[real dove]

idk ive not been in... elementary school in like 20 years

575

[fickle sluice]

Let's try again

Monster holds bounty
Leaders go mad for power
shit has hit the fan

[It's something meme]

[real dove]

Being Infects Swamp,
Hunters Answer Call for Aid
Chary puts on Play

lmao

ah i made myself laugh

its so stupid

[fickle sluice]

good 😄

nah, it's fun

[real dove]

oh yeah

for sure

idk why its still got me. i love that he put on a play

dramatic ass man

[fickle sluice]

I'm still not over the fact that it's enough if people wear pigmasks and stuff to make the magic work lul

[real dove]

tru. sometimes hunt adds in amusing things

[fickle sluice]

I mean, the scene probably would have looked metal as heck if it's properly visualized. But in my head it was more like a show staged by 1st graders

[granite shard]

Louisiana sucks

[real dove]

Hunters hunt monsters,
Hardin sucks small cylinders,
Rotjaw deserves crown

[real dove]

I second this

wasnt someone dressed as a tree

also, in my head, it wasnt a play but a musical

[fickle sluice]

Oh absolutely

[real dove]

but like, a shitty low budget little kid one

[fickle sluice]

and just to see how it would look done properly we give it to whoever does the Ramstein Music Videos

[real dove]

unfamilliar

i need to look it up again

cause i remember DA having something wonderful

[fickle sluice]

let's just say they are creative. completely bonkers. but creative

[real dove]

DA was running around on all 4 with a homemade RJ mask

thats what it was

[fickle sluice]

by the way, what's the current working theory about where the journey leads from here on? Since google (maps) is all I have in terms of knowledge of the US, I was thinking California?

Educate me, please. DA?

[real dove]

Devil's advocate

[fickle sluice]

Ah

[real dove]

Currently we think we are going northwest to colorado or such

[fickle sluice]

Okay? Where's the north coming from?

[real cedar]

Epilogue of Tide of Desolation, a small splash screen after the event described a mosquito that had just bit the Drowned Rat flying north "toward a shadow beginning to bloom"

[fickle sluice]

Right, I forgot about that

Thanks

[granite shard]

going north also lines up with the stuff for the mountie

where (presumably) demented pact people were trying to summon the sculptor up in canada

I don't think we're going that far north tho

rockies makes the most sense due to ch 15 saying going past the desert to the mountains

[high stone]

Shit…is it because of the Alzheimers?

[deft gull]

Huh I dont remember what I was talking about...

[high stone]

1985 Louisiana swamps, professional gunmen travel through gaunlet of monsters to kill large monster for money..no one knows why for sure

[warm quartz]

Do you think Black Coat volunteered?

[high stone]

What is “spinning a help”?

[proper herald]

But in the last story of current event the train was going west. West of Louisiana is Texas. Feet’s with all other things mentioned : desert, sand etc

[granite shard]

read to the end and you see that they're going past the desert

[real dove]

Pretty sure it's short for a helper. She's playing the captain, so I presume she's spinning something that a 'help' (helper) is tied to.

[high stone]

So…”spinning a help while nailed to a tree”? I guess I misunderstood it as “spinning a help (object) that is attached to a tree”

[granite shard]

I’m not sure if it’s a person

It might be a ship term? I’m not versed enough in ships to know lol

[high stone]

Yeah I was wondering if it’s a steamboat steering wheel, but I can’t seem to find anything

[granite shard]

Same

Could be a person, but I feel like it’s more likely to be a wheel?

[high stone]

Yeah

No way it’s a typo, right?

[granite shard]

Might be a language thing

Most people on the team are European

[high stone]

Right

[real dove]

Imo either it's a person

Or they meant helm

Or the wiki is typed badly

That's off the wiki so like

Could all be that that is not typed correctly... And we are all arguing over an error lol

It's helm

The wiki has a typo

🥳

[high stone]

Ohhh wiki, that explains it - they had the Corsica/Orsica error too

Gotta be helm, don’t know why I didn’t see it

[granite shard]

Makes a lot of sense

I don’t know ships well enough so the term didn’t come to mind 😂

[proper herald]

I read it differently 🙂
“That is Death in Louisiana. -> I don’t know what Death will look like further west.” I read it like further west from Louisiana. Anyhow, even if we look on west from Texas, it’s still dry desert biome. Also there is an art of a train in a desert in current event. Those bushes, and hills looks like assets from new map for me 🙂

[granite shard]

The previous paragraph she’s talking directly about death in the desert and what it looks like there, which is why I highlighted that

That entire chapter they’re in the desert and crossing it

[real dove]

Guess we will find out soon enough, but I agree with Smalls, Sofia is in the desert traveling through it. may have an area of the new map that is deserty (akin to how kingsnake has a different feel from the rest of the map imo) but I think it's going to be more towards the rockies than in the desert.

also on the ground that I think we'll still get water in the next map

[fickle sluice]

and plenty of them...

[real dove]

lmao

yes

[mint wind]

The wiki is not very ergonomic ngl :/

[rare dirge]

One of these days I’m gonna get the motivation and gonna dump all the information I possibly can onto that wiki

It needs life and I certainly want to give it that life

I’m just severely unmotivated to do so and got a lotta other things on my plate (including just playing hunt showdown)

[real dove]

Yeah. I've considered it too, but then... other stuff is more important in my life lmao

[rare dirge]

This summer is likely I’ll be out of school and doing just part time work

Plenty of time

[high stone]

I’m gonna guess that new map is in like, 4 Corners, Northwest New Mexico area

(Or a fictionalized amalgam of Southwest landscapes)

[mint wind]

Well, for the people wanting to work on the wiki, try to coordinate yourselves, it'll be easier.

[shut sand]

Hey guys I was thinking of running lore accurate builds can anyone list hunters they know that have both primary and secondary weapons? And if possible the weapons names.

[amber harbor]

There's a pinned comment which contains all mentions of Legendary hunters, might be worth a look

[shut sand]

@amber harbor thanks

[dry sparrow]

😊

[noble scarab]

A lot of the dlc hunters qualify for that

[hollow python]

A note about wikis, I know it’s hard to do and costs money but it’d be cool if someone could one day establish a seperate wiki than the fandom one, I just hate fandom wikis in general, but would be way nice to have a well developed community based one

[amber harbor]

wdym?

What would be the features missing from the current one?

The current one might be salvageable, but as said above, we would need to push for a great effort

Also aren't fandom wikis supposed to be community based? Do you mean like a standalone website? (Not trying to be rude just to understand)

[rare dirge]

Well the fandom wiki is always kinda ass taking the time to set up a separate website for the wiki and putting more effort into it goes a long way and it’s what a majority of games do

Or I should say a majority of communities do

But that’s the super dedicated people we don’t even have a updated fandom wiki

We should be shooting for the stars not the next galaxy atm

[hollow python]

Standalone yeah, the fandom sites are always terrible to navigate and FLOODED with ads, I genuinely hate fandom

[real dove]

Not sure we have the dedication for that (no offense to anyone here!!!) Not saying I enjoy the wikia either but as Silver said, it's a bit more obtainable to get that back in semi working order than to get a whole other site up and running

[mint wind]

I've seen it for Darkest Dungeon and Dead Cells, but wiki.gg can be good alternative, if the idea is submitted again.

[real dove]

Def not saying it's not doable. more saying unsure we as a collective have the drive needed to get that up and running and keep it running. Can only speak for myself, but I have a job as is and don't feel the desire to run a website on the side as a second one 🙂

[mint wind]

Well it ain't really running, it's just shoving stuff in and keeping the infos up to date.

[real dove]

For the wiki? yeah

still need to host a site and such

unfamiliar with wiki.gg however

To me, updating the wikia is an achievable goal. Setting up a whole new site is not. But again, just my view on it

[mint wind]

Well let's stick to fandom for now then :>

[real dove]

yiyi. baby steps

[real cedar]

I only have limited perspective on it but I feel like the games that get alternative wikis are often the ones that are data heavy and want to be better relied upon for information to play the game well. Minecraft, Terraria, Dark Souls, Elder Scrolls. Comparatively, Hunt has much less technical data to playing the game and a whole lot less lore to process.

[real dove]

You did a lot of the work already as well- the lore is in a pretty easy copy/paste situation just using your doc Rai

[real cedar]

That was part of the goal, to one day replace all the screenshots the wiki relies on

[mint wind]

That's also a problem with fandom : the screen we have to showcase stuff is stupidly small we lose some infos and for me there's just massive empty spaces on the sides.

[granite shard]

It’s also becoming more unusable on mobile. I have to use the desktop website on mobile in order to copy any of the images as of late

[real dove]

I'm sure there is a better way to go about it. Not disagreeing on that

[mint wind]

I'm pointing this all out, I ain't blaming anyone or ranting about it.

People have better things to do in their life than keeping a niche wiki updated XD

[real dove]

truf

I'm sure the wikia can be redone in a way to make it better- I'm not a web dev. a quick look shows that 5 folks are mainly keeping on top of it

as best they can*

someone already has my username on it 😠

it's probably me, under a different email. herg

[mint wind]

☝️ silly

shoot it's pointing at my name

[latent bloom]

I've updated a lot of info on the fandom wiki, and for me the idea of moving it to a separate site instead of using something like fandom or wiki.gg sounds good

I have experience in coding, so I can try to make a site if community finally decides to leave fandom

[mint wind]

I'd say it's best to stick to a wiki template rather than something brand new, if people are interested they'd type "hunt showdown wiki" to be sure to find something. Experience in code is still very worthwile even with templates tho :)

[vernal stag]

And thank you for that! I'm mariusbr on the wiki and I had been updating it on my own for nearly a year. I've been a bit burnt out on hunt since the event started, so I haven't done the latest event page or added the lore pages from 1.15.1. In general, the wiki has just about everything as far as I can tell - it's just hard to browse and I'm sure it sucks with banner ads. Nothing ever formats quite right in the visual editor.

The only things on my to-do list for it are to separate out Devil's Moon from the event page to its own page, create a page specifically for Wildcard conditions (then link to it in the right places for each event that used them), divide the list of Challenges into their correct pools instead of just by points, and add in all of the quests tasks from each of the past quests to that page (but I didn't screenshot those so I don't have them)

[granite shard]

Thank you guys for what you do!!

[real dove]

AGREED! Mad props to y'all for keeping that sucker updated. I can understand the burnout- esp after seeing it was 5 people keeping that sucker updated. We def appreciate the work y'all do.

[empty basin]

You are appreciated!

[topaz light]

Hunt got a lot of tech data that mostly goes onwards by word of mouth or sometimes thanks to content creators. Stuff isn't super obvious.

We have movement tech and the crouch limit and jump limit isn't super obvious when you're new but knowing the limits is only a small part of the movement tech.

There's drop ads tech that works on most repeating weapons, I could see these things make it to a wiki page.

I can probably think of more things, this was just off the top of my head.

[silver cargo]

Whose crossbow is Penumbra?

We already got Sofia's in tides

[warm quartz]

Hunter that fights the shadows

[silver cargo]

unnamed at this stage I assume?

if there's an obvious answer I missed it

[real cedar]

You could maybe make a headcanon assertion that it is related to Worm Bite since he also has a lore tidbit about fighting the dark but that's quite a stretch. Every other connected skin out there is obvious about it so it would break pattern to connect without saying a name at this point.

[silver cargo]

yep, especially since he does have some named weapons to his name ( Pallbearer's crutch I am p sure )

[tiny plover]

Besides an update to the Wiki for both Lore/Gameplay reasons, new website or otherwise, I wanted to get a short story space for Hunt together. Dont really know where to start though, more of a pen and paper dude when it comes to creative writing, and Im more keen on getting it kicked off and seeing if anyone uses it

I guess just a centralized Whattpad group, a subculture of the hunt community style. Like, every schmuck has in this channel has their own ideas, headcannons, fun concepts, etc etc. It'd be fun to explore.

Hunt does a great job at just giving you snibitts of lore about the outside world to the point where the vagueness gives fan-authors the space to play around.

But it'd be nice to have something somewhat self contained, and Ideally not just another fuckin discord. No disrespect to the program I write on now, just dont think it'd fit the vision.

[tiny plover]

With Hunt being as it is, its the wacky space between "Do we tell people everything or nothing?" its tough.

Hunt has the precedent of being "Da hard game," so devs have to balance that. Tell them enough to get going, ideally they'll figure out the rest on their own or through word of mouth. And it works, obviously, we're playing right? I think it incentivizes getting better by figuring it out, watching a video or two, reading a wiki (or improving upon it).

Id LIKE to think the average gamer can jump spam once or twice and learn its a bad idea, buuuutt.... People are dumb and call every death a hacker so idk mang.

But there's so much Niche bullshit besides Tech, bullet pen interactions, damage over distance, all sorts of stuff thats like, a REAL game changer thats barely addressed

Like the fuckers fighting with compact ammo 200 m away from their prey

And with Tech there's always the chance it gets removed or changed. Not a problem for the wiki, Kinda a problem if the dev's tell everyone "Lol dont fogor to animation cancel." Idk, its weird. Its useful but I'd doubt intended, even if it feels rewarding to learn.

[high stone]

She’s (?) just bringing that guy the booster with the updated variant formula

(Still in a global pandemic, everybody!)

[native canopy]

is there an in-lore reason for some of the hunter's traits? primarily necromancy

[high stone]

I don’t think so, but I’m probably wrong, somehow…

My head canon is that it’s like telepathic ammonia-salts …pushing the downed Hunter out of shock so they can stand up and heal

(I feel like the Hunters abilities are pretty much like ‘The Shining’)

[granite shard]

Maybe teams have some sort of connection to each other too

[real dove]

Hunters have a special secret handshake they do before going hunting that binds them to each other (jk)

[green pollen]

I was thinking either that or some blood oath

[real dove]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-hand-shake-kian-lawley-jccaylen-gif-3638064

POV the hunters before a hunt

[green pollen]

Literally

[empty basin]

Maybe it's a frequency thing that happens after you take the serum that let's you go into the corruption. After you are exposed to the serum your brain is able to tap into a different frequency so that you can use the dark sight, have the connection with the beetle's, and if it's an experienced hunter (have enough trait points for necro) can use the frequency to wake up unconscious or downed Hunters. Maybe a team has to tune their frequency on the way to the bayou to rez eachother specifically and not an enemy team (think war movie's when they synchronize their watches before an attack)

I had fun thinking through that, lol.

[rare dirge]

Also isn’t there like canonically heaven and hell and anyone who takes that serum is just doomed to hell no matter what?

Coulda sworn I heard that somewhere

[real cedar]

There's some talk of a terrible cost for taking the serum in one of Lynch's stories and the Dev Q&A but I don't think it's specified. The Sinners group is the one that believes they're all damned to hell, but I don't believe it's for taking the serum, more for their actions.
Beyond that, the main implication is the lore surrounding Soul Survivor, and how the losers burst into flames, alongside the "damnation" description given by the game and the online article A Communique for All Hunters. Though that can be seen as people's own beliefs being applied to the situation.

[rare dirge]

That makes more sense

Thank you

[real dove]

Her serum does require skinning a person and trapping a demon, so in the christianity sense of damnation yeah, i'd say all hunters who have taken it are damned, or at the least doomed to being sent to limbo/soul survivor and then either fully damned or brought back

[loud steeple]

I don’t think there’s heaven or hell. Unless the land of the dead is hell, because everyone on the lore that dies goes to the land of the dead

[real dove]

Where does Soul Survivor happen? Can't recall if it's supposed to happen in LOD or if it's in limbo, or if in this game that's the same thing.

[upbeat kiln]

Same place as regular bounty hunt. Within the bayous :))

[real dove]

Ah. lame

In my head it took place in the LOD region or limbo version of bounty hunt- mirror image of the maps we know and love, hence the hunters being damned. wildly less cool that it's just a bunch of randoms running around after the wellspring trying to save their souls- what makes them so special that they are damned but our legendaries arent?

[upbeat kiln]

Can't speak to the duration or degree our legendary hunters have been in contact with the other side - but the people cursed with damnation, in need of the Wellspring, has been deeply corrupted by influence of darkness to such a degree that it's either salvation through being the sole survivor, or eternal suffering in hell

Then again, natural resistance to the influence of the corruption might be a factor

they are "legendary" hunters after all

[neat juniper]

we should someday define the lowest plank of what makes hunter legendary

[real dove]

mk. I always took it way differently, since we don't have legendaries showing up, which, imo, we should (it would be randomly selected from your available skins or something idk). Dunno about natural resistance since we have the infected

hallo gorb :3 dunno. Maybe they'll build more lore for SS sometime

[neat juniper]

surely

[upbeat kiln]

Maybe "natural resistance" was wrongly put. Just resistance overall :))

[real dove]

Fair. I hope with the future Lynch arc we may be getting theyll explain stuff like that more

still think she'll be the reason we come back to nola

after the new map stuff

[neat juniper]

full on physics document explaining details of corruption and metaphysics behind sculptor

[real dove]

yes

Clearly we are getting away from the old cryptic stuff a bit, at least in terms of the event

so surely we can get some harder facts on stuff

[neat juniper]

yee

it's kinda emulating hunters learning more and more about intricacies of science behind it all

researcher come back gon' be legendary

[real dove]

hopefully. If the researcher in the BOW/Monstrum is going through all the stuff of the louisiana event in chronological order, in theory we will start to get less hoodoo voodoo and more science

i hope at least

[neat juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-26344462

[real dove]

DOD and Wet Rat were onto something at the end of TOD with the sculptor taking parts of hunters, and I really hope we get more on that

will see tho

[warm quartz]

Didn't they get the masks memo?

[rotund ferry]

is this a leak or what

[warm quartz]

I think

I got it from a guy who knows a guy

Or was it just posted on reddit?

[rotund ferry]

cant find any sources for it

[warm quartz]

I'm not sure

[shell blade]

Can someone translate what this says? I tried to do it myself but only got complete gibberish

[real cedar]

The problem with that text is that the first letter and the "| |" symbol's tops are cut off so we don't know exactly what symbols they are. Still, running it through every common voynich alphabet gives out gibberish:

Bennet Voynich: (P or F)NAET(H or K)AETCTN?CTO
FSG Voynich: (P or F)NAS(H or D)ASTN?TO
Voynich 101: (F or G)NA2(H or K)A21ND1O
Extensible Voynich Alphabet: (P or F)?A?(K or T)A?????O
Hunt Voynich: SRYW(D or C)YWNRUNM

When I've looked at other translations this is the point where I just shrug and assume it doesn't mean anything. However it does have some semblance of structure to it, so a very dedicated cryptographer could brute force a substitution cipher to find an answer, but there's so few letters that it's not a great idea.

[still saddle]

How did Mr Chary died? I dont think lore explains how he passed

[loud steeple]

He hasn’t died

Permanently at least

He’s been to the lotd at least twice but seems to have come back

[real dove]

He got thanos snapped at the start of TOD but was getting his ass beat by the moon at the end of it, no news if he got out of that one o no

[river socket]

How does the Moon work here? How does one get their ass beat by the moon 😭

[loud steeple]

I mean Kevin had his fingers in his brain and that didn’t seriously inconvenience him

Chary doesn’t give a shit

[real dove]

The moon is a spirit

guessing she has the ability to become not a big round thing in the sky in the LOD and beat his booty

Chary cut himself into little chunks to get into the LOD at least once so

dude's a bit special

[river socket]

So is chary a spirit or something too? 💀

Or he just built different

[loud steeple]

Everyone in the lore is built different

He just built extra different

[real dove]

lol yeah, he's in it a bit deeper than your average hunter

[still saddle]

How did he die thoo

Lore said he just evaporated

I talk to dev's they said he's dead but how thoo cause as you guys put it he's extra different

[loud steeple]

||He laughed. He laughed himself away and out into some other world. Not dead or even afraid of death, judging from the echoes he left behind. He'd stay a rabbit hunting foxes until the day he breathed his last.||

It literally says he’s not dead

He has too much plot armor

[real cedar]

Interesting, the wallpaper they posted on twitter implies Mountain Man is part of the Primal Pact.

[rotund ferry]

he would prob fit best with them

[empty basin]

I figured primal since he's trying to get away from civilization, or I thought lawful for the bounty hunting in his bio.

[warm quartz]

Who's stronger - Carter or Billy?

Carter is really good at shooting, but that's not all there is to hunt, is it?

[warm quartz]

And Billy apparently killed the Brothers

I doubt he's the the guy who tried to do a no-no to Lulu

[rotund ferry]

I'm gonna cheat and go off of who they're obviously based off of with the kid being mccarty and carter being bill cody and say cody

irl my money would go all in on cody in a gun fight but idk in hunt the kid might just pop back into life

he got his head exploded once

[real dove]

I'm really hoping we hear from MM or Lonely next event. Both afaik are from the region we in theory are headed to, so be cool to get some more story about them. Glad they included him in the event shot

[rare dirge]

The Mountie is lawful pact this event but I don’t think we have actually heard from him in the story

I really wanna see more about him

(Not bias at all)

[empty basin]

I would like to get some more lore on Mountie as well.

[real dove]

Odd to me that the Cowl was such a a huge part of the last event but nothing on the dlcs for this one. Guessing that since it (imo) feels like a filler event to finish out the tides and set up the next trilogy we didn't get a drawn out story so much

[silver cargo]

Who was this again? was it Gar ?

[granite shard]

Enola

[vapid ferry]

@lusty gyro I would ask you to please add the killcam replay to the game. There are cheaters everywhere in the game. Why do you leave us alone in such situations?

[granite shard]

Ah yes the important lore discussion of cheaters

[vapid ferry]

dude from 10 games easy in 3 game are cheater

[vapid ferry]

lol:-)

[real dove]

Wrong channel for that friend :3

[warm quartz]

Enola, girl who escaped New Orleans on a rowboat with an alligator's egg during American Revolution and somehow wound up in the land of the dead

[empty basin]

I was thinking it was from when Andrew Jackson defended New Orleans 1815 didn't know it was the Revolutionary war.

Thanks for the info.

[real cedar]

It was 1812

[real dove]

She mentions the Redcoats in rotjaws mastery, as well as gives us a date 🙂

[vapid ferry]

can some one tell me how can i report player i cant find the SteamID

[real dove]

!report

[lucid temple]

If you would like to report a player, you can do so on the Team Details tab on your Match Summary screen. It is also accessible in the Last Match tab at any time. If you have additional proof you would like to provide, you can find out how to reach out to official support here: #customer-support

[real dove]

Not the place bud, go to main channel or customer support for potential cheaters. We can't help here.

[sudden arch]

I mean, it's community lore

[visual finch]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[granite shard]

mountain man being in the primal pact promo image is a neat addition that I'm Thinking about

[real dove]

I really hope he's part of the next event and not just put in there cause he'd make sense

tho hoping we hear from lonely too

cause witch hunter is there too

[granite shard]

it's weird that the other pact members played at least a small role in the primal & death pact storylines but not in the lawful storyline

I guess it was tied up with hadin/statesman stuff but it's weird we didn't see the mountie or witch hunter say anything at all

[real dove]

or be mentioned, unless im forgetting

woulda thought she'd be vibing with hexbreaker fren

[real cedar]

The closest we get to a mention of the rest of the Lawful pact is Hardin saying "I told him I'd mustered at least three fine Hunters who were all for my cause of bringing back order"

[granite shard]

Yeah it’s a bummer bc I rly love the witch hunter

Tho I’m also not a big fan of the lawful pact (hardin’s a shortsighted jackass imo) so maybe I’m not sad that I didn’t have to see her join up w him lmao

[real dove]

yeah. after lunar i'd have a hard time thinking she'd join hardin

if anything, id think she'd be with grounded/death pact

[granite shard]

I think she fits with like “we need order here”

But Hardin is beyond order

[real dove]

He just wants to be king

True, but I'd think she'd be more Death pact we need order over his fascism

just feels odd she's there thats all

[granite shard]

I think she’s not death bc she’s not super connected to like. The whole death thing as much

On a high level her being on the side of the law makes sense, it’s just the Hardin aspect of things

[real dove]

more i would think she'd be on the side of "killing everything that stands in my way" that hardin goes about, so yeah, guess I'd think she'd more grounded than law. but eh, as long as she doesn't team up with him frfr

[warm quartz]

Felis apologists stink up the joint again 🧐

Hardin wants hunters to stop killing each other and kill monsters instead

Felis wants her FurFest convention to go on indefinitely

[granite shard]

Sofia wants hunters to stop killing each other

Hardin continues killing people willy nilly despite her saying “hey this is a bad idea stop the pissing contest and focus on the bigger issues”

[vapid owl]

Hardin's intentions to rid the Bayou of monsters is a good one, but what's to stop the sculptor from moving to another location? All it takes is one grunt getting out of Louisiana. I'm somewhat new to the lore, so I'm not sure if its possible.

But if it is, then it's about finding another weak point within the veil between the mortal plane and the land of the dead. Unless the sculptor is able to weaken it anywhere, which could take considerable power, along with the other deities trying to either stop him or have their own thing going on in other parts of the states.

[granite shard]

hardin's intentions also seem to be less about ridding the bayou of monsters and more about how he can personally stand to gain from all of it

[real dove]

Hardin spends the whole event talking about how he wants to be the dude in charge, and that if he wasn't the sheriff, he'd be killing way more people. His whole goal is to the the big man in charge/the hero of the story (regardless of how he manages to do that), cleaning the swamps is secondary to that. Sofia and the Death pact are the ones who are saying that killing each other isn't going to help anything, and that Hunters need to start fighting on the same team instead of each other. I didnt even mention felis, not sure where you got that from, literally was just saying that I didnt think Witch Hunter made sense in the Lawful pact under Hardin.

[real dove]

And yet Hardin decided to keep chasing after her....

[real cedar]

Witch Hunter definitely makes sense under Hardin cause she's a family business card carrying AHA type. The Eliases purge witches, they don't try to 'solve' witches like the Death Pact wants to solve the Sculptor and the Land of the Dead.
Further, I don't think Sofia and the Death Pact care about hunters getting along all that much. Most of her chapters don't mention other hunters at all unlike Hardin and Felis talking of their motivations, and her interest in Lynch and the spreading corruption isn't about saving people but herself. "If we don't stop this, you'll lose me". Combined with her lore outside of the event showing her to be a kill-happy psychopath, I don't think she's that altruistic. She wants hunters to help her aims more than actually find peace between each other. This fits with her previous appearance in Tide of Corruption where she only cared about the truth of the Land of the Dead, not about the Demented's rampage.

[rare dirge]

The way I think of it Sofia doesn’t care about the other pacts fighting because their squabbles are like 2 little kids fighting over silly stuff while she is over here fixing death itself

She has bigger issues then some sherif and wolf wannabe girl fighting over some random rich guy

[sinful trout]

why was i summoned

[real cedar]

I was looking for the origins of the first two Dev Q&As, the actual discord text.

[rare dirge]

I assume she does want peace but y’know if she doesn’t finish her current mission peace won’t matter

[sinful trout]

that was quite some time ago

back when lore was written by Fasih and the narrative was "unreliable narrator" / "single event"

i.e every playing of the game was a retelling of the same event from a different perspective

Hawthorne and words had pivoted from this to a regenerating monster scenario

[real cedar]

Ye, I just wanted to see the first hand source for it to be sure the text I was putting in the compendium was accurate. I found the 3rd Q&A through searching discord but couldn't find the channel that contained the first two.

[sinful trout]

compendium?

[real cedar]

In the pins

[sinful trout]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Rb5ZTHorhSR4ReVsEGZKEQ4njrCo4JO18p7CcOzTe0/edit?usp=sharing

that one?

[real cedar]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_rKddGsDAJjaijR5uK1gefOipscWTXeFy8Ry0vF-oTY/edit?usp=sharing

This one

[sinful trout]

im confused

[amber harbor]

Have you tried https://discord.com/channels/350201607788429323/456375402638737421 ?

[sinful trout]

are we making a new doc?

[amber harbor]

It was made, the old one is not up to date

the new one contains all event lore too

[sinful trout]

bless you beautiful madmen

[amber harbor]

it's really well put together

the last one got buried in pins and was forgotten

[sinful trout]

anyway

if you're wondering about the pins

or

QnA's rather

its best to talk to someone even more ancient and longer slumbering than i

@slim hatch wake the fuck up, monster

they have questions

im going back to my coffin to RE-desicate

[slim hatch]

https://tenor.com/bJ1sM.gif

https://tenor.com/bdbWo.gif

[real cedar]

I searched around that channel using quotes from the Q&As but it only turned up results of other people quoting the Q&As. Doing the same for Q&A 3 worked fine to find the first hand source, makes me think the questions happened somewhere else.

[slim hatch]

Q&A's were supplied questions assembled by community and replied directly to the docs by Devs / Writers

That's why you don't see any chat.

[real cedar]

Yup, that makes sense. Thanks for confirming 👍

[slim hatch]

https://tenor.com/blyC2.gif

[real dove]

I'm not disagreeing that she makes sense in the idea of the lawful pact- I just dont think she makes sense under him. She helped protect Kevin- Why would she help overthrow/kill one mad man only to join another? As for sofia, I agree she's likely not in it to save everyone, as we know she is a killer, however she did try to stop hardin from tossing primals he'd been torturing to rotjaw saying "Every Pact is needed now". She'll save the ones she cares about, i think, at the very least she'll do whatever it takes to save Lulu.

[real cedar]

She helped protect Kevin once she learned the truth about what Mr. Chary was doing. Before that, she was ready to kill him as a favor for a locket. Hardin has no dark secret that goes against the AHA, he's power-hungry in a normal human ladder climbing way rather than "I'm going to further corrupt the moon and experiment on people with occult magic for power".

[granite shard]

My stance on sofia wanting hunters to get along more so than Hardin is less that she’s altruistic and more that she sees needlessly killing hunters as a waste when everyone is needed atm

And like generally for the witch hunter, I feel like she fits in with a pact espousing order and stuff but the lawful pact seems to be more centered around hardin’s power play & the wealth of the backers which she’s stated to not care abt. I think if they mentioned something abt her going w Hardin bc the backers have knowledge of witches and stuff it would have felt better

Bc rn it feels more so like she’d be hanging w the hex breaker investigating lynch via the drowned

I guess I just want them to actually include her in the lore here to give motivations bc the other pacts had all of their members be active in the story whereas Mountie & witch hunter were like. Technically there

[real cedar]

Hopefully she gets a main part in whichever event has Lynch show up. I really want to see if my theory about Circe's sister and the witch who killed her turns out to be true.