lore-discussion

[patent sleet]

It would depend on how accurate the statues are compared to reality. The Sculptor's mind/senses may introduce bias.

[rare dirge]

This could actually may be it

I don’t think the sculptor really cares for humans much

Bias towards any would be silly

The sculptor seems to hate the demented pact (the one that worships the sculptor) just as much as the others

[echo narwhal]

Just had a thought; could The Cowl mentioned in the event logs be the Assassin? I mean, it's more than capable of taking on a human appearance and even acting like one, and does so to probe the human world in the lore. Manipulating the Demented into an unwitting sacrifice is well within its behavior and capability, and aligns with the Sculptor's designs that took place in this event.

Considering that there's a bunch of other maniacs running around cosplaying their targetfu's, the Assassin would have fit right in as The Cowl and would probably explain his sudden appearance and why we didn't get him as a hunter

[night cliff]

or we will get them as a DLC in the future

[empty owl]

we definitelly will get the cowl during the run of the event because of how his name is mentioned in the event details page

[rotund ferry]

Still hope we get Chary somewhere down the line

I hear he's an old guy but he's an old guy that can kick ass

he won a fight against Cleaver

but his true strength lies in his cunning and dubious nature

[earnest jungle]

I’m still waiting on Lynch, The Twins, Allison, and Chambers

[real dove]

Yeah. I could def be wrong, but seemed like a good place for the writers to gently point to us what is true and what is not...

[sudden arch]

Lynch will be ||the witch boss||

[icy brook]

^

[grizzled pilot]

Id much rather see more random ass hunters who will be completly irrlevant to the lore

[echo narwhal]

oh you're 100% right, good eye my friend

[thin ether]

i need lynch to go with my machete

[regal trout]

We currently have a demented hunter for every boss but spider? So maybe associated with them

Butcher's hook, beekeeper, the two scrap beak hunters, Gar

[warm quartz]

Nuh-uh

[real dove]

Beekeeper is associated with a boss?

I'd say Harold Black is associated with the Assassin, since they were buts, dude just doesnt look like him

be cool to get an parasited- harold who went after his buddy and is slowly becoming like him tho

[near leaf]

lafitte only available for a short moment and he just fking die in chapter 15. what a wasted potential

[real dove]

dudes already died at least once, likely twice

he's a coward who even is his own story never had a future. so not sure what potential you saw

[near leaf]

i mean his story arc can be expanded like usopp OP

[real dove]

unfamilliar

[granite shard]

tbh I think him at least having a complete story arc puts him over a lot of other hunters

like he was a common thread throughout the whole trilogy

[rotund ferry]

Lafitte was the Delphine's captain, right?

[granite shard]

yea

[rotund ferry]

Gotcha

Yeahs he's been getting mentioned since June 2023

I'd say he's earned his rest

[warm quartz]

He was cool for like 5 minutes of DLC release

Then they released all the lore about him

[rotund ferry]

That's how it goes

So many legendary hunters

And only a handful are actually cool

[real dove]

We had lore on him prior to release

[rotund ferry]

Something interesting, I'm speculating if this implies that the moon is indeed the Sculptor. There's some evidence to support this. One being that the Sculptor is capable of producing unfathomable horrors as seen in the game, another piece of evidence suggests that the moon is also capable of producing horrors such as serpents and according to the serpent moon charm, serpents are hardly the worst thing the moon is capable of producing.
In this chapter, Lynch looks up toward the sky and sees the moon, flicks a knife at it, and then proceeds to make a remark about the Sculptor. Long have I assumed that Sculptor and the moon were entirely two different entities but I'd be lying if I also said I didn't have assumptions about them being the same.

[rotund ferry]

Yes, since June 2023, except we didn't know him as Captain Lafitte, we simply knew him as the Delphine's Captain

[real dove]

I suspect that line means she intends on taking over the moon, which is fighting to contain the plague to Louisiana

True, I'm arguing simply that his lore was never really cool, his arc unfolded as it did in his story- from trash he came and to trash he returns, not meant to really leave a big impact

[rotund ferry]

Perhaps, but the way Lynch talks about the Sculptor "she'll have a mouth as wide as it, learn to hunt as it does." That feels more like she is looking to replace him not contain him. Although one would have to imprison the entity they're ideally trying to replace of course. So it could mean that as well.

[real dove]

Oh I absolutely think Lynch is looking to become a Sculptor

Just dont think Moon spirit is Scultor

p

[warm quartz]

We didn't know he was Delphine's Captain

[real dove]

Eh, pretty sure most folks figured it was

and it was

he was

Boat Captain, tide of corruption following Tide of Shadows, which had a boat captain... they could have had a second captain but that would be silly and confusing and we don't

[warm quartz]

And Hunt's lore has never been silly and/or confusing

Reminder that this is the same game that has Santa Claus in it

[granite shard]

We did— he was listed as captain Laffite in the navigator’s logs and then referred to the captain from there on

they set up immediately there being one captain onboard the delphine, and then refer to him as The Captain in the text from that point forward. They're usually pretty consistent about having specific terms refer to specific people

i.e. white haired woman will always be lynch, despite us having a few female characters w white hair at this point

[rotund ferry]

What's wrong with Santa Claus?

We already had Llorona, Perchta, Krampas and other mythical folklore characters

Hunt has mythological elements present in the game so I see no issue with a Santa Claus hunter

I'd take a Vlad Dracula Tepes hunter or a Jack the Ripper hunter, please 🙏

Give us undead Abraham Lincoln, he didn't finish his term

[real dove]

the santa we have imo fits well with the theme

[rotund ferry]

"Somebody bring John Wilkes back so I can kill him myself."

[real dove]

folks kinda forget most our PG holiday characters have very not PG origins

[rotund ferry]

Depends on a cultures interpretation of it but yeah

[granite shard]

a friend just sent me this-- one of the loading screen blurbs had something on the cowl

[rotund ferry]

Interesting

He's definitely Demented Pact worthy

[granite shard]

it's interesting bc I think it goes along with my theory that he didn't exactly believe in the whole ascension thing for the demented, but that it was an opportunity to experiment and see what would happen

like he fucked w ant pheromones to watch the colony spiral, and now he's fucking with the demented to see them sacrifice themselves in the lotd

[rotund ferry]

Le epic trollage

His story is reminiscent of that one evil kid from Stranger things

I think his name was Vekna or something

[radiant hinge]

What's the deal with the glowing shaft under Kingsnake mine? It glows red when you scan it with dark sight.

[granite shard]

that's the graven path, in the event lore it leads to the land of the dead

[echo narwhal]

neat, rip to my cowl = assassin theory though

[lucid anvil]

Woah, didn’t realise it glows! Thats really cool!

[granite shard]

he does seem to be the legendary hunter tied to the assassin tho!

[echo narwhal]

AYYYYY i was just about to post this lol

[granite shard]

I'm jazzed, can't wait to see what he looks like

hopefully his trailer has voice acting

[echo narwhal]

so i overshot my conclusion but i was def aiming in the right direction ill take if as a w

i hope he looks freaky as hell

i wanna see assassin bugs crawlin out from underneath his fingernails

he’s probably gonna be a dlc hunter but man i hope they give him a questline instead

[warm quartz]

Dios mio, a liberal!

[weary urchin]

The Sculptor is the bad guy though right? he was the one that created the Butcher and Scrapbreak right?

[granite shard]

butcher yes, scrapbeak no

but yeah he's the bad guy

[weary urchin]

In scrapbeak's book pages it reads that it was seemingly surgically created but then grown and fused together with the mask and stuff.

So I assumed he also made scrapbeak, cause if it wasn't the sculptor then who?

[granite shard]

an unknown party. the sculptor was like "cool I'll use that" from there but some unknown people made scrapbeak originally

[weary urchin]

Ohhh that's interesting!

I wonder if they will be revealed later on

[granite shard]

the butcher was also technically put together by someone else, but I think the sculptor brought it to "life"

[neat juniper]

it would be pretty funny if it turns out sculptor is a fluke and humans are just this inherently dark magical

or somthn somthn

[weary urchin]

Some cult is behind all of it, people carrying on the Sculptor's ideals.
then they add an event where bosses are rampant and roam the entirity of the compound :)

[rotund ferry]

Alot of the tier 3 hunters wear grey military coats and cav hats, are they supposed to be former confederates or what's going on? Wearing their dad's stuff?

[warm quartz]

Civil war veterans

Prodigal Daughter is only one who does stolen valor crap

[rotund ferry]

some of them look young for civ war vets but I guess there's all kinsd of weird magic and science in this

or maybe just aging well

[warm quartz]

Civil war ended 1865

Hunt takes place somewhen around 1896

[topaz light]

https://youtu.be/u3B4qZZnzr8?si=d07u3g6vvfSKnAcd

Doesn't show much but

Kinda cool visualised

[zenith perch]

Now all we need is a spider themed hunter

[zenith perch]

If Gar was in this event do you think she would be a Drowned or Demented

[lunar sky]

Most of those hunters would be 49 to 60 49 if they joined on the last year of the war while they were 18.

[rotund ferry]

Neither, her goal was always Rotjaw

I've referenced Elden ring before but the relationship that Enola and Gar have remind me of Malenia and Miquella

[zenith perch]

Gotcha

[tropic falcon]

Heck yeah XD a collection of boss like hunters will be cool, hope cowl gets fully revealed soon

[zenith perch]

Maybe a spider themed hunter is the last one revealed for the event

[wise tusk]

is there a assassin themed hunter

[zenith perch]

Cowl is it

He's not out yet tho

Assassin is my favorite boss so I might main him

Scrapbeak is a close second

[zenith perch]

I hope we get a new bomblance skin with cowl

[rotund ferry]

are all of the pacts evil? what is the goodest pact?

[real dove]

lunar, maybe? grounded was always just kinda neutral

lunar was akin to do harm to make good

since they set the swamps on fire the first time

Primal and Smugglers were in it for themselves, Infernal was chary, demented is demented, death could be considered good, if you ignore the murdering

[granite shard]

Lunar is chaotic good maybe. I’d say grounded is true neutral, maybe neutral good

Death might be true neutral

[real dove]

yeah. lunar was the closest i could think of, but they arent exactly good guys either lol

grounded neutral good makes sense

or is death lawful neutral? They seem pretty put together

[languid notch]

i suppose demented would be chaotic evil

[visual finch]

I love the sentence "Could be considered good, if you ignore the murdering"

[real dove]

it's accurate tho

Like, they are arguably the good guys of TOC, but like.. they are all murderers. so.

Infernal IMO under chary is lawful evil

not just cause they had the law there

Smugglers are just Chaotic Neut imo, primal prolly the same.

Drowned... hm.

[near leaf]

neutral evil maybe...because they unintentionally killed a hunter when they are still trying to control their evil urges.

they dont really care about the living

[real dove]

Isn't Rat's whole thing trying to convince the other pacts that the Sculptor is using them to gain more power tho, and is slowly warping them into monsters themselves? id call that care

unless i really misunderstood what she said to Decay and the other assembled pacts

[rotund ferry]

What makes the different pacts good or evil? I'm assuming Infernal is Chary's group and they want to extend and expand the Bayou Bash at the behest of the sculptor which is what makes them bad, but what is everyone else trying to do?

[echo narwhal]

The Primal Pact all sought Rotjaw as a sort of prize (sans Gar, who was much opposed to the rest of the Pact for that reason)
The Smuggler Pact were all in it for their own material/monetary gain, and they weren’t necessarily ride or die for eachother either
The Grounded Pact are unified in the fight to preserve the bayou and nature itself, seeking to cleanse it from otherworldly influence, spurred into action by Rotjaw’s arrival
The Infernal Pact were in league with Mr. Chary (I still don’t know why anyone in that pact would work with him tbh, especially the Black Coat) and worked to enact his designs
The Death Pact sought to restore true death to the world, disgusted by the unlife in the bayou
The Demented revere the Sculptor as a sort of god. They desire to make themselves into the “true” forms of the bounty targets and enact what they think is the Sculptor’s will
And lastly the Drowned are the unfortunate souls who have been raised from death to carry out ||Lynch||’s will, and are desperate to break free from them by any means necessary while also being subject to their influence

[real dove]

Lunar seeks to stop Chary from corrupting the moon, tho they are prolly no longer a thing

[echo narwhal]

I think the only pact you can truly call evil is the Demented pact, and maybe the Infernal pact. The rest are pretty grey, though I’d argue the Grounded pact is one of the moral pacts. The Drowned, despite the fact they can snap into murderous wights, aren’t part of their pact willingly, and some of their actions aren’t their own. Id say they are pretty neutral

[echo narwhal]

Perhaps they’ll come back in the next event, as Chary’s conflict with the Moon seems to have come to a head

[real dove]

Is he back? Chary was ash last time I heard.

[echo narwhal]

crossing my fingers for Avowed, Outlaw, and Night pacts though

[real dove]

Night and Loutlaw would be dope AF

get to find out more about the night cult and also maybe a ned kelly hunter?

Outlaw* herg

[echo narwhal]

spoiler for the latter half of ToD: ||Chary makes it to the Land of the Dead afterall, and the last mention we have of him is from The Rat’s POV, describing a sound she hears in the LotD as “Chary fighting with the Moon”||

[real dove]

Ohhh

Yeah I havent finished the event yet

lol

Maybe then! that'd be interesting.

See if Kevin comes back. But also. i kinda liked that Lunar's job was done

well, "done" since Chary was still alive after DM

[echo narwhal]

i think we’re overdue for a new Night hunter tbh, we’ve only had the Seer, the Acolyte, and the Revenant for the longest time

[rotund ferry]

Infernal is basically just a cut above the Demented pact, they exploit chaotic situations and benefit when the scenario is in turmoil. When things go from bad to worse the Infernal pact always benefit from it.

[real dove]

Yeah

Speaker has been MIA

[rotund ferry]

Demented pact are basically the quintessential "bad guys" because they worship hellish creations that ought to be sent back to whatever pit they spawned from

[real dove]

I'd love some pacts around the cult and also Dr John Felis and Weird sis

tho felis is now primal so doubt

[echo narwhal]

idk felis seems to have her hand in a lot of different pots

[real dove]

primal makes sense for her imo

id think the wolves will have a pact eventually

if/when WW boss

[echo narwhal]

wolf pact for a rougarou boss would be SICK

[real dove]

YES

[echo narwhal]

iirc lonely howl did reconcile with his parents so its right there

[real dove]

Lunar Wolf Pact. Lonely ma and pa and Pertcha and the wolf dude iron face bark mask and whomever else

[rotund ferry]

Smugglers pact is much like the Infernal pact in the sense that they benefit from other people's misfortune. They're basically a band of raiders and opportunists.

[echo narwhal]

could even see the moorhound in that pact

he’d make for a good black sheep

[rotund ferry]

Lunar Pact is a borderline religious group devoted to a kid named "Kevin Linus" who is supposedly a messiah and champion to the moon. Presumably their motives and objectives have good intentions but that could easily change depending on what the moon favors...

[rotund ferry]

Death Pact is a ragtag band of hunters that are disgusted to say the least at the current situation, what with the Bayou of Louisiana crawling with undead and otherworldly abominations. Death itself presumably put them together to correct the current uncertainty of the concept of death.

[rotund ferry]

Grounded Pact is a group of hard-core environmentalists and tree huggers but they're anything but hippies, they are also repulsed by the abominable state of the Bayou and have determined that this wicked land be put to it's rightful natural state. They are as fierce as they are ambitious to see their goals through.

[rotund ferry]

Primal Pact is one that I personally know very little about but essentially there's this giant gator and this gar lady and also a little girl named Enola? Something about a ancient reptile birthing pits? Possibly prehistoric prophecy? It all sounds like more Cthulhu voodoo Bayou Boogaloo nonsense to me. Just give me something to point and shoot at, I say!

And finally the Drowned pact I know even less about... but like here's a pretty accurate image to convey the message or something I dunno

[echo narwhal]

they say you attract what you fear

oh dear god, my blood runs cold at the thought of an avowed pact with the reverend, the penitent, hail mary, and worm bite

[rotund ferry]

They say you attract what you fear
"Ahhh Llorona please don't pistol whip me!"

[real dove]

lol. somehow I doubt we will get a christian themed pact, we have too many worldly hunters to special them out

Primal before Felis was Rept going around killing the remaining gators hoping that he'd spawn in their momma, while his fanboys follow him, as well as this half drowned chick who really just has a thing for gators.

[rotund ferry]

A Catholic themed pact with Mexican Revolutionist themed hunters might be cool

But yeah I don't see them directing attention toward any real world religion

They're even moving away from the voodoo aesthetic because if referenced incorrectly it could be recieved poorly

[real dove]

Yeah

While not upset about it for that reason, kinda sad they are going away from what originally was kinda big part of the gam

game

imo

Big 3 when I joined were Law, Night Cult, and Voodoo

and I could see a crossover with Death Pact of the Bone Doc being mad about folks claiming he's the source of the sculptor and such, and seeking help from that community

bring in some more pagan hunters

not that I really want more hunters, lol, already takes 4 years to find a hunter i want

[rotund ferry]

It would be cool to just have more normal-ish mercenary cutthroat and gunslinger types instead of undead or magicians. Dressed in practical bayou clothes and wearing the sort of webbing that tier 2 and 3 hunters have. Like 1890s operators to contrast against all the eclectic magic weirdos

[echo narwhal]

we kinda have some already tbh

gunslinger, turncoat, black coat, and steel eyed come to mind

[rotund ferry]

if they let me buy steel eyed I would be satisfied with what we have

[real dove]

Yeah, I think he looks cool too

[echo narwhal]

steel eyed goes so hard tbh

im pretty sure he’s no more than a nod to the red dead series but id like to see him as part of the lore

[rotund ferry]

He always felt more like Clint Eastwood to me

I'd love a legendary hunter skin based off Clint Eastwood but given his disposition I'm not sure if Crytek would reference him at all

[echo narwhal]

wym?

[rotund ferry]

Whats unworkable about his disposition?

[lucid tiger]

man rotjaw whispers during beetle scared the fk outta me does anyone know whether the whispers are trying to say something meaningful or is it just random scary noise

[rotund ferry]

@echo narwhal @rotund ferry I'm not really gonna talk about it here but let's just say he has some strong opinions

[rotund ferry]

Rotjaw can talk yeah

She sounds very different from any other boss

Her speaking sounds more like sorrow rather than wrath

[icy brook]

Rotjaw voice actor reveal when?

[river socket]

Let’s discuss the evolutions of the beetles and potential evolutions. 🪲

[tall vigil]

Having not read any lore entries, I’m gonna swing for the fences and say that the beetles lifecycle begins in decaying matter, such as rotting trees or corpses. These rotbeds make the perfect gestational home for the infant beetles.

Upon reaching maturity, the adult beetle burrows free from the rot and seeks out living things to explode upon, spreading the species via a sorta shotgun blast approach, similar to the violet flower.

The explosion, using some sort of dark wibbly-wobbly magic energy native to the beetles physiognomy, has enough force to fully embed the infant beetlelings into their host, and likely kill whatever was exploded upon. If not, the resulting wriggling of the babies and / or the simple toxicity of the beetles own guts seeping into the new wounds will be enough to finish off the host—seen in the DoT taken by Hunters after an explosion.

This would also explain why the beetles have developed Dark Sight—while functionally blind in our world, their finely tuned senses allow them to pick out living organisms with relative ease, drawn towards sources of great energy or power native to their original plane.

The two divergent species we’ve seen so far, the Fire Beetle and the Choke Beetle, I believe are competing evolutions.

The Fire Beetle has evolved to have combustible guts that ignite and conflagrate when acted upon by its magic whatevers, thus better ensuring the death of its target, and potentially softening up or hastening the gestational period of its infants—perhaps they grow faster in the heat of a burning corpse, like an incubator for newborns.

The Choke Beetle, meanwhile, is a loose natural predator of its Fire counterparts, utilizing its own noxious explosion to smother the competition, possibly even using the corpses of the exploded and infant Fire Beetles as nutrients and bedding for its own young.

One thing I’m unsure of is whether the Fire and Choke beetles are native to the Sculptor’s realm, as the normal beetle is, or whether their extreme evolutions are a product of their growth in our reality, adapting to their new environment and “naturalizing” or “acclimatizing”.

I wonder, if these new beetles were somehow reintroduced into the Sculptor’s world, would they act as a sort of invasive species? Wiping out the native Stalker beetle populations with their new evolutionary advantages.

[rotund ferry]

what caliber do you guys think the different revolvers shoot?

[green pollen]

They’re different

[rotund ferry]

I mean, specifically, the ones that came in multiple calibers at the time or maybe wouldn't have been standardized, like the conversion pistols, the pax, and the scotfield

[green pollen]

I assume the pax fires .45 Colt because it’s a colt single action, and the Scotfield probably shoots .45 Schofield

The conversion is a jumbled zombie gun made up of a bunch of different 1850/1860s revolvers

The LeMat fired a .42 but that’s for the blackpowder historical version, not the fucked up weird west LeMat they have roaming the bayou

[rotund ferry]

people made jumbled zombie cartridge guns out of former black powder revolvers irl though, so there's probably a feasible cartridge that the conversion pistols are shooting

[green pollen]

Huh, never thought about that

Probably just look for one that matches the cylinder and you should be golden

[rotund ferry]

the lemat is also weird west stuff but people have made cartridge conversions of it that maintain the original style instead of the weird steampunky thing that the actual cartridge lemat was, though I guess none of them were break open, the second picture is a black powder lemat a gunsmith converted to fire .32 cartridges

[green pollen]

Yeah

I’m fine with some of the weird west stuff cuss it’s feasible, but the choice of the drilling pisses me off

Some 1940s shotgun when there’s a perfect list of unique 1890s guns for them to add

[high stone]

What part of it is 1940s?

[green pollen]

It’s a 1940’s German gun given as a last resort to aviators during WW2.

[high stone]

Definitely used for that as well, but there have been combo guns around decades before the ‘40s

[rotund ferry]

can anyone confirm or deny if the angel statues at Blanchett are a reference to the "Weeping" angels?

I went around and after observing every angel statue they all share the same black liquid dripping from their eyes

[green pollen]

Yeah, but they call it the drilling, and it shares the look of a drilling. Only difference is that in hunt it’s 2 rifles and a shotgun instead of 2 shotguns and a rifle.

[high stone]

I think “Drilling” is just “Triplet” in german, referring to the number of barrels…any combo could be made to order….

Honestly I wish there was a homebrew gunsmithed style skin for the drilling, so it didnt look so fancy

[green pollen]

I’m just hoping they eventually add new guns that fit the setting, like a Remington rolling block.

Still surprised they haven’t added that

Or the Lee Navy 1985 Winchester

Or the Colt 1883 hammerless

[high stone]

That the ‘Large’ ammo one?

[green pollen]

Straight pull one

[high stone]

Cool, I haven’t seen that one!…they could add endless guns that could also show up in Red Dead or whatever, I think it would be well worth the time to straighten the story out.

(Or other combo weapons too…I think someone could figure out a medium crossbow mounted to a Romero shotgun, etc.)

[green pollen]

Some more American guns would be nice, but because of people all over the world coming over means that Japanese, German, and British guns could in theory all make their way to the bayou

[high stone]

It’d be more interesting if they revamped the store/black market/contraband/recruitment in a way that serves the story of people having secret illegal gunfights in blighted zones - so maybe access to and availability of weapons is changed…maybe the gun you want isn’t always available, maybe the price is high because it’s scarce, whatever.

A large list of guns is fine, it seems like you’d get so many similar military fighting rifles of the era, that the differences will be negligible

[red spear]

I may be remembering incorrectly, but I didn't think the black liquid was that intense before. I'll have to go back and look at old screenshots. (edit: Nope looks just the same.) And to my knowledge, Crytek hasn't come out and officially said it's a reference to the weeping angels. But I mean, how is it not?

[rotund ferry]

My headcanon for why there's a billion foreign guns and prototypes is that in addition to all the random weirdos who are probably bringing weapons from their home countries and maybe making their own, the AHA's little sub-divisions which give people darksight training and zombie immunity probably have their own semi-mythical-mystical gunsmiths and black marketeers that can make or get their hands on stuff that would otherwise not be available since the hunters seem implied to be a global association and the bayou chapter is just one part of it, like a mobile task force from the foundation getting goodies that would be ahead of their time

[tidal lion]

omg hes grumpy white man racist cancel him but also can we have him please 🥺 HUH?!

The Rat is good bad and ugly lore btw, thats p cool

wish we had Tuco from that movie, no hunter with a sombrero is a crime against mexico

[green pollen]

Guess that’s a way to think of it. I just assumed either bringing stuff over or the AHA ordering foreign weapons

[raw gust]

All three barrel guns are called Drillings. It's definitely partially modelled after the 1940 german drilling, though

[green pollen]

Yeah

[rotund ferry]

it would be cool if we got a long barreled variant of the rival and a colt new service revolver as an up-calibered version of the caldwell new army

[green pollen]

I’d like to see some more lever actions make it in, like the M1860

[rotund ferry]

I never said that's the reason I don't like him. 😂

Him being a bitter grumpy old racist is part of his character, he's like Uncle Ruckus from Boondocks

[icy brook]

I think the firearms of hunt are pretty fleshed out rn, I’d rather see more flavorful additions like the bomblance or traps added

[rotund ferry]

I have an idea for a Caldwell rival variant. Only two blunt melee firearms exist, those being the Obrez mace and Centennial trauma respectively. What if the Caldwell rival had a blunt melee variant called the "Tender" or "Tenderizer?"

Quick little doodle of what it could look like:

[warm quartz]

Lorewise, weapons aren't as spread out as in game

Not everyone has dolch

[icy brook]

That is a cool concept, I suggested a similar idea with a blunt sharps variant a long while ago, it’s just a sharps with a 16 or 25 pound bull barrel and you beat the hell out of things with it, it could just be called the Sparks Bull

[rotund ferry]

You got any visuals of what it would look like?

[icy brook]

They were really popular with the serious bison hunters and target shooters of their day

[rotund ferry]

Looks deadly

Almost too deadly... like something sharp

🥁

[rare dirge]

I mean the spark- I mean the sharps rifle is where sharp shooter comes from

I always thought that was neat

[granite shard]

Oh is it really? That makes so much sense

[hardy cargo]

I've not gone back into the lore since I got a basic overview of everything but I'm writing some things right now and I need a little help so I don't delve back into the depths of the lore again. Can anyone tell me what all Scognamiglio is related to? Like which story/stories is he responsible for or mixed into? Is it just As Bad as They Seem or am I completely misremembering who is responsible for that one?

No I am misremembering, that's Collins but now I really just can't remember anything Scognamiglio is involved in

[warm quartz]

Chad irl mosin obrez

[rotund ferry]

There exists an Obrez variant that is shaped almost like a Bertheir

[noble scarab]

hes involved in the armored lore, plus mentioned in a few others, mostly monster lore as i recall.

he's kinda the sinners version of harold black

[hardy cargo]

thank you I think he's kinda like a second opinion in most of the monsters lore looking back lol I couldn't remember if he wrote anything solid like Collins though

[foggy spear]

So what’s the deal with the Delphine’s ghost and why does it hate Captain Lafitte?

[patent sleet]

He abandoned it shortly after it ended up in the Land of the Dead. A captain should go down with his ship. Down to Hell if he must.

[lucid anvil]

I don’t suppose anyone has a vid of this? This seems really cool!

[lucid anvil]

The WW2 one was two shotgun barrels and a rifle, not two rifle and a shotgun. Plus, one was choked for slugs, and the other buckshot I believe:]

[lucid anvil]

What xaxor42 said. Because he abandoned the ship, the ship no longer wants him around. I need to read the lore a bit more lol

[green pollen]

i already said that further down

[lucid anvil]

Ah, must’ve missed it. Apologies.

[green pollen]

all good

also i didn't know one barrel was choked for slugs, neat

[rotund ferry]

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find one, no

[lucid anvil]

Aww man. Oh well :]

[rotund ferry]

My suggestion would be to go in game and experience for yourself

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, If I’m lucky I’ll get a rotjaw game soonish!

[rotund ferry]

When somebody said the Graven path glows red I didn't believe them, but after going in game and seeing it for myself I was pleasantly surprised

[lucid anvil]

Wait, really? Is that in dark sight? It was blue when I saw it.

[rotund ferry]

yeah this is what it looks like normally

when you go into dark sight is glows red, just like enemy hunters

[lucid anvil]

Yeah, that’s what I was familiar with. That’s really cool!

[lucid anvil]

Wonder if that relates to the ritual they used to open it for passage? Does the in game map take place after, or before the events?

Not finished the lore yet, so idk if it collapsed or something

[rotund ferry]

I'm not really sure, but I agree that the hole seems really small

so I'm assuming it's caved in after all the shenanigans that happened in the event story

[patent sleet]

We'll only know for certain when the event is over.

[rotund ferry]

It talks about an entire army of Demented pledged hunters entering the land of the dead, and this hole looks much too small to fit that many hunters

unless they went in one at a time

sorta like how soldiers would climb up the ropes at Hacksaw Ridge but only a few at a time

[patent sleet]

This event and Shadows give me the impression they lasted for less than two or three weeks in world.

[tall vigil]

Wait, what is this?? I’ve not seen this before. There’s the Demented, Grounded, and Drowned Pacts, but what’s the Graven?

[granite shard]

the graven path

it's the hole in kingsnake mine

[tall vigil]

Huh… I’ll have to check it out. Is there anything special down there? That’s where Ochenkov’s Widow was built, right?

[granite shard]

it's not really said where chary conducted his experiments on her

he was holed up there for a period of time in serpent's moon and had her there but it's not said that it's where he made her get all goofed up

but yea the path is the only thing of note in there rn

[tall vigil]

Are there any other locations like this?

[granite shard]

not rly atm, they'll prob do it again in the future tho

[zenith perch]

Is the beekeeper dead or alive in yalls opinion?

[rotund ferry]

If I understood the final chapters of the event correctly, she turned into what is possibly our next wild target?

She appears to be a giant insect creature now, which is only fitting for someone of her distinction

^ 10/10 depiction

[zenith perch]

I like her vibe

bug witch

[rotund ferry]

which legendary hunters are most arguably the "good guys", at least, insofar as that label can go in hunt showdown

[zenith perch]

The Grounded Pact this event imo

[rotund ferry]

Literally anyone from Grounded pact

But every hunter has done some pretty questionable things to survive out in this hellscape of a frontier

So to call any single hunter fundamentally "good" is misdirected

[tall vigil]

Well, I think we can break it down into largely three bubbles, then divided into smaller bubbles.

Camp A: People Who Are Against the Sculptor

Camp B: People Who Are With the Sculptor

And Camp C: Other (people who don’t have much connection to the ongoing crisis or larger forces at play)

Then, subdivided into smaller camps.
Camp A1: Those In It for Others
Camp A2: Those In It for Themselves

Let’s just skip the Ethics 101 and classify selfishness as less good than selflessness.

Where the line may get blurry is in regards to stuff like revenge, or redemption, or purpose. A lot of Hunters are in the Bayou for vengeance, others for personal salvation, others because they believe they’re working towards something. Vengeance and redemption, I’d argue, are inherently selfish motives, but we can say they’re more morally good than a simple desire for profit or bloodlust.

Next let’s think about what they’re actually doing. Are they attempting to minimize the suffering of others in their pursuit of their goals? Are they well regarded where they come from?

William Moses, AKA The Redneck, I would class as pretty morally good. A hardworking man, pillar of his community, what’s left of it, and joined the AHA to stem to tide of corruption, either to try and get his chicken farm back, cause he had nothing better to, or the AHA asked him nicely.

Xiao Feng, AKA The Sovereign, another pretty OK guy. Welcomed by the AHA, along with Chen Lan, the North Star. Skilled monster hunters. From what we can glean, they’ve come to the Bayou because they’re facing similar problems in China, and are looking to bring some of the methods developed by the AHA back with them. Pretty noble goals.

Sarah Burton, AKA The Prodigal Daughter, out for revenge against her mother’s killers, but she seems to hold herself to the good example set by her mother during her service to the Union in the Civil War. While she may not be in it for the big picture stuff, she’s nonetheless capable, and trying to do right by someone she cares about. She’s OK in my book.

Phoebe Brewer, AKA Marshall Brewer. Gritty and grim, alcoholic, but she joined the AHA to stem the tide at great personal loss and risk. She’s a class act and a damn fine woman, tough as nails with a heart of gold and a will of iron.

Contrast these brave men and women with someone like Frank Glib, AKA The Deckhand. A murderer! Just a straight up murderer.
William Durant, AKA The Blackcoat. Murderer; deadbeat father.
Cleag Grey, AKA The Reaper. Nutcase! Murderer, this time of his friends and family. We might argue he doesn’t have control over his actions, as his memory and mind are fading, but it’s still him killing people.

[neat juniper]

Deckhand did nothing wrong ever!
The reaper is just a silly goober who is struggling with mental health!!!

Although even i can't defend blackco...
Actually

He was a business man
Doing business

Nothing wrong as well

[tall vigil]

Mental illness does not excuse stabbing people! He goes to Edgy Baby Jail. 20 years!

[neat juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[tall vigil]

Another outburst like that, and I’ll make it 25!

[granite shard]

Kevin is probably The Most Good bc he’s just a 14 year old who doesn’t really want any part in this and actively tries to not kill people

I’d say the witch hunter is also pretty up there

[granite shard]

The North Star is noted to be really vicious and loves violence, so idk if the sovereign is much better

[tall vigil]

God forbid women have hobbies. 🙄

[granite shard]

lmao

I support women's rights and women's wrongs

dead blessing & zhong kui seem to be more on the good side than the NS/soverign tho imo

(iirc they were also both in the lunar pact bundle back in devil's moon which was a fairly good aligned pact imo, while NS/soverign were infernal which is more neutral/evil leaning)

[tall vigil]

Agreed. Just a pair of demon hunters trying to clear out an infestation. They may be kinda nuts, but really, who isn’t?

[granite shard]

yea good feels relative in the bayou

[tall vigil]

I dunno if I’d class NS and Sovereign as evil, that seems a stretch. But hopefully they can learn from better examples and NS can chill a little.

[rare dirge]

I have been using North Star a lot more recently due to the fact that she is like the ONLY hunter with purple on her

Not enough purple in this game

[granite shard]

I think the rly enjoying violence and stuff pushes them more towards the evil side

[rare dirge]

Only complaint I have

[tall vigil]

Hell yeah, purple! Color of royalty! (:

[granite shard]

like lulu and sofia (my beloveds) are Also Literal Serial Killers so when I was making my personal alignment chart for hunters I mournfully put them in neutral evil

[rare dirge]

Just a very pretty colour it’s my favourite

[granite shard]

Love porple

(also a side note, before I knew abt lulu/sofia being canon I was shipping lulu/north star bc I was like "wow two girlies who love violence" lmao)

[tall vigil]

Yeah I think we can lump a fair number of Hunters into straight up Murderer tier. There’s a difference between a love for battle and just like, getting off on gutting people.

[rare dirge]

That’s pretty funny

My friend was shipping lulu and witch hunter

[tall vigil]

Murderous lesbian polycule.

[granite shard]

my hc for lulu and the witch hunter is they both Do Not Like Each Other but have to play nice for kevin

[rare dirge]

Where is this chart of character evilness

[granite shard]

let me find my list

[tall vigil]

Is Kevin the best of all of them? He seems like he’s working towards a relatively noble goal, but maybe that’s just cause we don’t know squat about what the Moon wants. We just know it ain’t the Sculptor, and that Kevin hates Chary.

Granted, Chary’s pretty firmly in the evil camp, even if his work has been instrumental in helping to fight against the corruption.

[granite shard]

I think kevin is personally, like beyond having fighting against the main evil guy, he also tries pretty damn hard not to kill anyone

iirc in SM he mentions that he's killed nobody yet and the only person he's going to kill is chary

(that's my personal alignment list)

[rare dirge]

I think it’s a pretty good list

All these make a lotta sense

Especially the top 4

Or I mean like the 4 at the top

[tall vigil]

I disagree with some, but yeah, overall I can see it.

Boy there’s a lotta Hunters in this game—

[rare dirge]

I’d argue the skinflint would be higher

[granite shard]

there's no real order within the tiers themselves, they're just as I put them

[rare dirge]

And all the light the shadow people higher

[rare dirge]

Yeah I mean more like higher in the list

[granite shard]

oh really? I think he's pretty neutral

like he worked closely w chary in DM but at the same time I think he's more just on the AHA loyalist side of things

[rare dirge]

Skinflint puts his money towards the AHA after being a greedy man to help the cause and all the light the shadow people are fighting for their land I think those are pretty good things

[pseudo ridge]

I have. a theory about the Boreal Point charm. I think it's alluding to the next map and the events that will be tied to it. in the description it says "Is it a premonition, prophecy, or promise? ... It is malicious, and it bears truth."

boreal means related to arctic regions, especially tundra and taigas

[granite shard]

I think we're going north

[rare dirge]

Even if the AHA itself is a little corrupt he had an awakening and put his life and money on the line for what he thinks at least is a good cause

[granite shard]

(also are you on tumblr? I think i've seen your name in my notes before lol)

[tall vigil]

Fingers crossed for snow conditions. I just think it’d be pretty. (:

[granite shard]

snow would be sick

I was talking w a friend abt how great the soundscape for snow could be, w things being muffled and stuff

[tall vigil]

There’s no way we get a full on new map, right?

[granite shard]

we're getting a new map this year

w the engine upgrade

[tall vigil]

SHUT UP

[granite shard]

I think the rumormill has said colorado

which gives room for snow

[pseudo ridge]

this plus info from a while back that ToxicPancake88 made a video about indicated that the map could be inspired by environsin the mountains in colorado

[tall vigil]

OHMYGOD THAT’S THE BEST

[pseudo ridge]

I am! :D you're the one that somehow has all my matching current/former fandoms and interests

[granite shard]

😂 iconic

[rare dirge]

As a Canadian I do NOT need to see any more snow

[pseudo ridge]

hehe valid. but the lore implicatiosn of the Sculptor suddenly wreaking havoc in a completely unrelated region in (more or less) the same ways is very intriguing

[tall vigil]

Listen, I’m a Virginian, it’s just been rain and fog all Winter so far. It’s raining right now! I could use some snow!

[granite shard]

hell yeah virginia squad

[pseudo ridge]

fellow Virginian 🤝

[tall vigil]

We do have hints the Sculptor, or something like it, is messing stuff up in China.

Hell yeah, Virginia squad!

[granite shard]

grew up in the midwest and I don't miss a Lot of snow but I do miss getting some

[tall vigil]

I hope to move north one day to get more snow. I can’t stand the Summers anymore. It’s oppressive.

[rare dirge]

You love the snow until you gotta stand at a bus stop for 30min in -40C weather

[tall vigil]

I love this place but I feel like I fight to breathe through a bubble and the cicadas can all go burn in Hell.

[granite shard]

I think the neatest in game potential for snow would be that the lighter colored hunters would get an advantage they've not had yet

out of game potential... I can draw them hanging out in the snow

[pseudo ridge]

yeh, eat that Headsman

[rare dirge]

The snow would be interesting for mechanics like footprints and things like that especially with a engine upgrade

[granite shard]

I'm curious to see if they'd do footprints

would be neat

snowbanks that act like water in terms of speed

[pseudo ridge]

currently we have mud aplenty, footprints would be ace but i have my doubts its a priority

[rare dirge]

Also would be really funny seeing some of these hunters in the snow it goes from the black coat being crazy wearing that big jacket in warm weather to him looking smart and the lesser clothed ones like Cain looking crazy as hell

[tall vigil]

This. King thinking. Draw Perchta and Coal Bearer teaching people how to make snow angels and snowmen.

Oh yeah, poor souls like Cain, Redneck, Monroe.

[rare dirge]

Even deckhand with his bare feet

[tall vigil]

Maaaybe we can see some new skins for the rando Hunters in more cold weather gear? 🥺

[granite shard]

lmao the viper out there w their dogs out too

[rare dirge]

That would be cool but then when you don’t get a snow map they gonna look crazy

Like the coal barer does now

[tall vigil]

Skinflint.

Perchta.

[rare dirge]

The skinflints jacket is a little thinner

Isn’t as crazy imo

[granite shard]

burnt marshall in his all leather fire fighting gear 🤢

[tall vigil]

He has a scarf on for crying out loud.

[rare dirge]

Yuck

[pseudo ridge]

and wool gloves!

man trying to die of heatstroke

[rare dirge]

Alright his outfit is a little warmer but isn’t the worst offender of this

[tall vigil]

Alright, good and evil tier list? Broke, wack, get it out of here.
New hotness: who’s suffering the most just being alive in the Bayou muggy heat?

[rare dirge]

So many people overdressed for such weather

[rare dirge]

We did a tier list kinda like this about how smelly lots of these hunters would be

Especially the over dressed ones

[granite shard]

yea if there's a shitpost tier list idea there's a high chance I've made it

flaksdfkls

[tall vigil]

I know in the desert, folks wear big coats and robes to trap moisture and keep themselves cool. But in the Bayou? It’s like, ALL moisture. If it weren’t for the no doubt countless bugs, you’d really wanna go more Sofia, with light, airy clothing.

Bear in mind, this is all before the invention of modern deodorant!

[granite shard]

honestly even sofia feels overdressed w her wrap

[rare dirge]

Take after lulu

Hell even Cain got the right idea

[tall vigil]

Just walk around in your bloomers and a nice jacket for the pockets.

[rare dirge]

And fishnets

[granite shard]

carcass gunrunner my beloved

[rare dirge]

Very important

[tall vigil]

Very important.

I think we can give Coal Bearer a pass cause he’s probably magic. He’s Santa, he’s fine.

[rare dirge]

Very true

[tall vigil]

The Reptilian has to be suffering though, I doubt alligator leather is very breathable.

[rare dirge]

To be fair it’s probably very thin clothing underneath

[pseudo ridge]

honestly Daughter of Decay (my beloved) is likely just. slick head to toe under all that tight fitting leather

[rare dirge]

He probably is doing better then most

Same with headsmen

Thinner clothing even if it’s covering the whole body

[granite shard]

I feel like anything covering your head in the bayou would be miserable

[tall vigil]

Y’know who I bet is actually suited for the weather? Ronin. Aside from the probably insufferable mask.

[rare dirge]

Cowboy hats though

Iconic

The kid probably not doing so bad

The poncho can’t help though

[granite shard]

I'm not even in the correct swamp but Man when it's summer here I want nothing on my head

yea w/o the poncho the kid would be fine

[tall vigil]

Yeah, you need shade to keep from getting sunburnt.

[rare dirge]

The kid my favourite hunter 🥺🥺🥺

Only been using the drowned kid recently he is like actually still so cool

[tall vigil]

I’m not gonna lie, I thought the Kid was a girl for the longest time, and I was disappointed to learn he wasn’t.

[rare dirge]

Omg

LOL

[granite shard]

I hc the kid as transmasc

he has the 6 months on t facial hair

[rare dirge]

I was abouta say

[tall vigil]

YES!!

[granite shard]

his dysphoria poncho

[tall vigil]

1890’s boymoding.

[rare dirge]

His poor poncho got messed up when he went to the land of the dead unfortunately

[granite shard]

looks like he got a brand new one

[rare dirge]

And his hat

[granite shard]

like all new clothes

bc his shirt is different too

my boy said there's no way in hell he's going w/o his poncho

[tall vigil]

He’s come back with the equivalent of tourist merch.

[rare dirge]

Still like my favourite hunter ever and I will continue to rock the drowned kid from now on

[granite shard]

the rat got all the doubloons and the kid got some fabric

[tall vigil]

I can’t argue with a good poncho. He’s up there.

[rare dirge]

He is my all time favourite hunter

Was so sad when he died but then so hyped when he came back

A roller coaster

[granite shard]

he's my second favorite male hunter

(my favorite male hunter is kevin)

the phantom is my third bc I love a dramatic guy w daddy issues

[tall vigil]

Hm… I’m trying to think who’s my favorite overall. I’ve been warming to Dead Blessing, her shirt, jacket and hat are just beautiful.

Ronin is cool cause he’s repping that Tokugawa crest.

[rare dirge]

My top three are the kid bridgewater and mama maye

I got others I really like so mama maye I think will eventually be replaced

But bridgewater and the kid are just like

So cool

[tall vigil]

I think I gotta go, top 3 in no particular order: Reptilian, Frau Perchta (specifically the Dawn version), and the Prodigal Daughter. Shout out to the Miko though

[rare dirge]

Miko has such pretty hair

[tall vigil]

God, I know. I would cosplay her if I had the funds.

[rare dirge]

I like mama maye because she has a funny hat and a beautiful dress

[tall vigil]

You gotta look your best!

[rare dirge]

She the only one out there with a big puffy dress like that

[granite shard]

my top three overall are sofia > lulu > kevin

[rare dirge]

A family of 3

[tall vigil]

Ah yes; the lesbians.

Kevin included.

Kevin is the gay best friend of the Moon.

[granite shard]

him being semi-canonically adopted by lulu and sofia is my favorite thing

I also really love the viper

I think their arc in serpent's moon is just so great and I love the moment they show kevin kindness as he's dying in their arms

like. from the age of 7 they've been forced to be a killer but they take the first opportunity to show kindness to this kid they still don't fully trust

I'm a sucker for it

[tall vigil]

Sucker Gang. ✊

[granite shard]

I rly want to see more of the viper but they had their own little complete arc so I doubt we will

[rare dirge]

Kevin gotta return at some point though right?

I mean he is still out there

The moon trilogy may be over but chary and the moon still exist

Same with Kevin

[granite shard]

hopefully

my hc is that he and lulu have just been hanging out while sofia does her thing

since we know lulu wasn't involved in ToC

I've been thinking abt writing a fic covering the tides trilogy following the kid as a way for me to fully wrap my head around what happened in the events & put everything together and part of it would involve like where lulu and kevin are

(another hc of mine is that lulu and the kid became close friends during devil's moon lunar pact stuff)

[rare dirge]

I’m still so sad they didn’t rerelease lulu with the twitch drops during TOC

[granite shard]

yea, I already have her but I just want more lulu content

like her and sofia do have a lot of content in game compared to other hunters but.... I'm love them

[rare dirge]

She is one of the last 2 hunters I need to complete my collection

I’m missing lulu steel eye plague doc and all the light the shadow guys

But if I get lulu and steel eye I’ll have all the hunters I can possibly collect (all of them -4)

[granite shard]

yea I'm missing billy/infected/PD/final two viper stages/exiled/third son

[rare dirge]

You don’t have Billy but you have lulu very tragic

[granite shard]

I was dumb and forgot to watch the streams during the infected's twitch drop thing so I missed out on billy's rerun

[rare dirge]

Most tragic bit about that is they are unlikely to do a rerun of him any time soon considering they did once recently

[granite shard]

yea

I don't super mind tho

oh I'm also missing some BB hunters that I don't care abt

[rare dirge]

Billy is a meh skin anyways

Lulu cooler

[granite shard]

but in terms of time limited skins those are the only ones I'm missing

yea I'd never use billy

[rare dirge]

I’m just a collector so I want them all

[granite shard]

I do love how much of a cringefail loser nobody likes he is in lore tho

[rare dirge]

I can only hope for lulu soon

Also I’m glad I got bad hand because if i got lulu and steel eye before bad hand I’d lose hope very quickly

[granite shard]

omg I forgot abt him

don't have him either bc the gatcha gods have not blessed me

[rare dirge]

All the poor luck with legend rares in battle cats caught up and the gatcha gods blessed me

Also he isn’t like time exclusive anyways so play enough you will get him eventually

[granite shard]

yea

and then they'll add another spitoon of wonder hunter 😂

[rare dirge]

I always thought that would be funny as hell

They made bad hand unavailable and made a new dark tribute hunter

Same rarity

Maybe make the captain pre drowned as a new dark tribute

[granite shard]

pre-drowned captain and thirteenth mate

I hope they do more things like the drowned kid/rat & bad hand, I love the updated hunters idea

esp since like. the rat's design was fine but the drowned rat's design is SO good

gives a chance to update those older hunters

[warm quartz]

What's the difference between honorarium and honoraria?

Which one's more appropriate as gun's name?

[granite shard]

I think they're the same thing, just honoraria is plural

so honorarium would be the better gun name

[real dove]

same but also so we can maybe get more lore

[jolly timber]

I just had an epiphany

What if you dont actually play as individual hunter, but play as some outside entrepreneur who hires and equips poor souls for slaughter

At least in menu

I mean dark offerings dont go to any individual hunter they go to to "you"

[neat juniper]

I thought about it for quite a while as well

But for now it won't ultimately change things

And we can't prove it

[rotund ferry]

I assumed it was just like an AHA contractor
ultimately I doubt there's a true lore reason since you can recruit all these different people that follow different sides and such. Some hunters would never be working in th4e same group as some others.

[neat juniper]

tbf those who would never work with others could just be like gameplay issue
lorewise they are never in the lobby or recruited, but we get to play them because pogchamp

but yee, so far there seems to be no lore movements about recruitments and lobby

[grizzled pilot]

Not just more but also more focused if they start giving us alternate/updated hunter designs they can move old lore forward instead of adding more irrelevant characters
So l really hope they go this route

[real dove]

Exactly. I dont mind the new hunters, but it really dilutes stuff. Give me hunters that have been through some stuff, and thus have changed their look. that way we know more about them!

[grizzled pilot]

Exactly

[real dove]

really hoping the new UI includes a hunterbook

akin to the BOW where you unlock lore on hunters by either killing them, or killing with them

[granite shard]

tbh I think the only real issue w the updated skin stuff is like, I saw people complaining abt the drowned rat/kid being new hunters since they bought the original skins and didn't think they should have to buy them again

which is A Dumb Take but unfortunately people would prob do it

[real dove]

eh, they bought the OG hunter, but this is a new hunter technicall

dum take for sure

They are event skins (BB, yes, but attached to an event lore wise) so like... not a DLC. bought the og skin, but this is a new one. idk, dont seee that argument standing up

I'd rather see new skins on old hunters than new hunters. DGMW, I really like a lot of the new hunters it's just... we are getting so many new ones

[granite shard]

it's a dumb take but alas people just want to be mad

I think the constant stream of new hunters is unfortunately unavoidable, DLC is the main way hunt makes money so they need to pump out skins

they just need a better way of integrating the new hunters into the lore since the current way struggles to keep up

[real dove]

true

I'd really love to see more only gun skin DLCs

theres so many without skins and it makes me sad

but yeah, I realize that hunter skins/DLCs are how they make their money

just be nice to have few hunters or reskinned hunters and more gun skins

[rotund ferry]

Ever since I started playing back during Devil's moon, I always thought that was the case. There's several pieces of evidence that indicate that this is indeed what happens.
At the menu screen you have the option of hiring, equipping and upgrading several hunters. Hiring hunters is always what you do first, then you equip them with certain equipment of choice ...and if they survive their bounty hunt and extract, they return to you to recieve upgrades and payment for a job well done. Exactly like a bounty hunter would do.

And let's face it hunt dollars are essentially just USD 💵

That still doesn't explain dark tribute or blood bond currency so I'm not sure if this is true or false

But the implications are certainly there

The assumption that you're a director or contractor for the AHA

[sick hedge]

Yeah it always did remind me of Darkest Dungeon come to think of it

[amber harbor]

There was a theory a while back that you were actually a provider of blood for the inoculum, so all hunters you recruit become part of your chapter of the AHA, your Bloodline

[sick hedge]

Damn, all signed and sealed?

That theory goes hard

[rotund ferry]

@sick hedge nice banner btw

You play as megalomaniacal ghost aliens from the same realm as the sculptor that possesses those who enter the bayou the same way the sculptor possesses and moulds the monsters, this is totally canon, my uncle at crytek told me so

[wicked osprey]

facts ^^^^

[tall vigil]

It’s fucking me up to think that some of our dear Hunters might live to see World War 1. Some may even serve in it.

[rotund ferry]

I think ww1 would be apocalyptic in this world, the sculptor would have a gay old time with no man's land

[tall vigil]

Just imagine the likes of the Assassin slipping through the trenches, having the time of their life.

Although, unless I’m mistaken, a lot of lore entries imply that research is being conducted into the Louisiana incident from the future—so if nothing else, the AHA were presumably able to stem the tide of corruption to the point that people are having to pick through old notes and records to find out what happened.

[rotund ferry]

That's true, and the future notes seem to treat the thing as near mythical at times so maybe there wasn't much further evidence or interference left behind

Don't believe the hounds were mutated or the butcher had a fire hook

[tall vigil]

Suck it, Doomsday Cult.

[crude shore]

What’s the AHA?

[upper haven]

The 'American hunters association' the organisation that hires and dispatches the hunters we play as in-game

[real dove]

IMO the sculptor feels very much like a being we will never truly defeat, only shove back into a box until it is either re-released or gains enough strength to rip itself back into our/Hunt's world. Be interesting to find out if the Researcher of the future is looking back at the Louisiana incident as the sculptor has reappeared in that time and they are looking for a way to defeat it once more.

[lucid anvil]

That’s actually a really awesome concept

[real dove]

feels very much that the lore is pulling away from multiple being over time to just one, and it is based on Cthulhu after all, so imo makes sense this isnt a being we can actually beat... but hoping quietly we get something from the RN that the sculptor is back in their time. be neat

[mint wind]

Lil question, what's your opinion of Hazmat's view regarding the lore there ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hhGCEwL5X0

[real dove]

Mine?

[mint wind]

Uuuh, yours, but others too (didn't word it well 🫠 )

[real dove]

lmao wasnt sure, seemed like asking me but didnt want to assume heh

[neat juniper]

didn't watch it yet, but man's spitting truth

classic hazmat

[mint wind]

He ranked the trilogies very low 😔

[neat juniper]

that's normal historian bias, they all find newly appeared things less interesting than ancient ones

[mint wind]

Because they ain't as complex to understand as regular lore.

Also he may have some issues with Chary.

[real dove]

TBH, I didnt really care for the tier list. We've had a change in the style for sure, but I don't mind that lore is presented in a much clearer way now

I enjoy the puzzle aspect of the old lore, but i like getting to know the new hunters/stories directly

[granite shard]

I disagree w his rankings a lot tbh

[mint wind]

I quite appreciate that the event lore is direct, but the people are all talking weirdly. They almost all seem fucked up in the head after all the hunt, and they talk this way now.

[real dove]

also, we've seen some retconning going on with the older stuff. I also just really want more lore lol. I enjoy it all. It gives the hunters character instead of just being skins that I send to die

talking weirdly?

[granite shard]

Like he mentioned his issues w the event lore just giving you the information, but at the same time they tried having a more traditional hunt lore style w DM

And bc of that we still get people coming in here going “um actually didn’t you know that it’s 1902 in lore now”

[real dove]

slap em with the timeline lol

[mint wind]

They all use metaphors, talk like stuff is all living (the flames, the metal, the blood, the deads), they are doing weird stuff (namely putting fingers where they shouldn't)...

[night cliff]

I do think the event story is too clean and direct.
I enjoy digging through different weapon entries to get more information that's still not complete.
the stories consists of cronologily diary entries that now just end abruptly with no conclusion.

[granite shard]

Also his issue w the everyone clapped thing. 1) it was funny 2) literally nobody in the infernal pact liked the captain, ofc they’re gonna be happy when the black coat batted him (who likely just wanted to take the opportunity to hit him as opposed to any big moral reason)

[granite shard]

I think there is an issue w a lack of conclusion

The trilogies have seemed very experimental w how they’re delivering the lore

Like they’re still working on figuring out how best to tell the stories

I like that they’re very direct tho bc it feels like it gives new players a better jumping off point as opposed to the confusion of the book of weapons (except for the part where you can’t find old event lore in game 🙃🙃)

[real dove]

I dont mind when there are chunks missing from the stories- I was really excited when we thought we had figured out that Gar and Enola were the same due to the way both of them talking the same, and was disappointed that they are not the same (Yes, I know, its my own opinion on it) but also, it's much easier to understand what is actually happening in the events

You can have the BOW/Monstrum still be cryptic

[night cliff]

yeah maybe
but I think they did it pretty good in devils moon
we had newspapers, documents, scary children tales and even an old timey recording

[granite shard]

See I have the biggest issue w DM

[real dove]

but the events dont need to be. They can be a blend, but have the main part clear and understandable with no puzzle to figure out- with som many people taking part, we would in theory have a really good idea of what happened

[granite shard]

I don’t think DM worked as well as SM which was the best of the moon trilogy in my mind

I think that if they’re doing a trilogy storyline, actually telling us flat out what’s happening works best

They just need to actually give a conclusion

Tide of Corruption I think was the best of all for that

[real dove]

Agreed. DM was weird- lunar seemed to both win and lose. Chary seemed to win, but then also he's in the LOD looking for the talkrock, after creating the Widow, who then is not with him...

[granite shard]

Like my issue w the more standard hunt lore delivery is that it’s confusing and hard to follow for a lot of people

It’s fun to pick apart but at the same time I like seeing things that tell you straight up what happened and how people feel abt it

[real dove]

Yeah. Which is why I think the events should be clear and accurate and understandable. The Book of weapons and Monstrum can still be cryptic. Anything else can be whatever- lore building, world building, or character building.

TLDR tho, sorting the lore into tier lists wasn't something I agreed with. But as he says, it's his opinions lol, I just dont agree

[night cliff]

yeah devil's was definitely confusing in a bad way overall and didn't even had a ending

[real dove]

yarp

Chary got that AdHd

shiny thing in the LOD got his attention

[granite shard]

Having chary get chapters from his PoV was prob the best decision made for tide of corruption

I’ve always liked him well enough but that Really gave him character and was so fun to read

[night cliff]

for me his chapters were deffinitly the most enjoyable ones to listen to

[granite shard]

I was surprisingly pleased by burnt Marshall and obviously I love sofia

But also Sofia’s chapters were generally interesting too

Butcher’s cleaver’s weren’t bad but I think he’s gross and so didn’t go back to reread them like the others lol

[night cliff]

oh yeah Marshall was great too
Sofia I'm a bit conflicted on
and Butchers was kinda funny in a very disturbing and uncomfortable way

[granite shard]

What didn’t you like abt her’s? Just curious

[mint wind]

Butcher was so peak

Love his accent

Saying very weird stuff

[granite shard]

His voice acting was incredible

[mint wind]

Talking the way he looks, so it's a 10/10.

[real dove]

Not a fan of butcher, but also WHY DIDNT THEY MAKE HIM YOUNG ROCHE

he was a cool character

[night cliff]

I think it was because her chapters didn't had much happening in them, one was exposition, the interogation was fun and the talk with Finch was very interesting.
I don't know, I wish she had done more in her own chapters.

[real dove]

not my style tho

[granite shard]

I think I didn't mind that bc it felt like she was progressing in her goal throughout them

maybe it's bc the death pact were the only pact not explictly tied to the murmurstone throughout their chapters

[real dove]

Sofia coulda spent the whole time snuggling Lulu and you'd have been there for it Smalls lol we all know whats up 😉

[granite shard]

I mean yea I have an obvious bias, but I still think the chapters worked well for their goal

[real dove]

oh no disagreement

[granite shard]

plus I rly like the character development it gave the other characters in the pact

[real dove]

I liked how they did TOC. Felt the best so far in terms of event story telling

[granite shard]

like lmao the dynamic between the bone mason and the reaper was so great

[real dove]

And character building

[granite shard]

I think ToD did the best character building actually

[real dove]

just giving you sas 😛

[granite shard]

I love how the pacts began intermingling and stuff

I just wish it had a conclusion 😂

[real dove]

#gotdevilmooned

[granite shard]

an epilogue is all it needs

[night cliff]

btw where is the Cowl?!
It's been a week since the teaser and I want my chaos loving insect maniac

[granite shard]

I'm hoping today we get his hunter reveal

alksfskld every day at 2 I've gone to the hunt twitter to see

[mint wind]

The Cowl...

[alpine ferry]

What about him

[mint wind]

Next dlc guy.

[alpine ferry]

Mhm

[mint wind]

If I'm not wrong.

[alpine ferry]

We don’t know much

He leads the demented

[real dove]

Yeah! gotta be coming this week

we are at 1/2 point

Salty he's bringing ANOTHER knife

[alpine ferry]

Assuming how his blades look, the main design could actually be taking longer

You buying him when he comes out btw?

[night cliff]

throwing knives if I'm not mistaken

[alpine ferry]

Yes

[real dove]

I feel the same way

TK have enough skins

also, idk

[alpine ferry]

Might be the axes then

[real dove]

gotta see what he looks like

Throwing knives and axes and heavy knife and knife all have enough skins for now imo

but that is discussion for main thread lol

[alpine ferry]

And yet they’re making another

[real dove]

If he's neat, yeah, I'll get him

YES AND IT'S SO DUM

[alpine ferry]

I wonder what his main weapon is

[real dove]

I have all the DLCs, so just do the collector's edi and add him him for a discount

gods I hope it's a waepon without a skin

[alpine ferry]

I mean, you gotta pay for something after all

If only 2 skins that ain’t worth it

Just like phantom

[real dove]

eh, I got the CE on steam ages ago, cheaper now to just keep adding onto that for me

I hope he's got armor

and not just like, a hood

and by jezoos I hope he doesnt have on a stupid mask

cool mask is fine

[alpine ferry]

I mean

[real dove]

glowers at Iron Fang

[alpine ferry]

Would it be good there to be some kind of Mexican guy in black?

We don’t have much black skins

Or maybe white guy

Like idk mariachi

Or Zorro

[real dove]

Nah, he's hispanic

[alpine ferry]

What do you say

[real dove]

Horatio is his name, iirc

[alpine ferry]

Then would it still be good?

I think it would

We have only like one Mexican

[night cliff]

sorry for my poor memory but which hunter was mexican again?

[mint wind]

Noooo

[alpine ferry]

Llorona’s heir

[night cliff]

🤦‍♂️right.... i'm an idiot

[mint wind]

You're just silly.

[alpine ferry]

No, you’re not :((

[alpine ferry]

I don’t either remember all the dlc names

But I remember my favorite one at least

[real dove]

Yeah. I haven't really cared much about most of the recent hunters TBH, I run Scaramooch/bird lady/lonely/felis so unless this dude is cool, im just in it for the weapons

hence the salt at ANOTHER skin for something we have many many skins for

[alpine ferry]

Do we have many skins for bow?

We have 3

The one from daughter of decay, Miko and lonely howl

[night cliff]

four if you count twitch drop

[alpine ferry]

Doesn’t really matter that much

We have least skins for medkits

[real dove]

im not counting twitch/limited event skins in skin count, since you can't get those now

[night cliff]

makes sense I guess

[alpine ferry]

When’s the next twitch drop starting?

[real dove]

but 3 skins you can get is enough compared to weapons with exactly no skins at all

no clue

[alpine ferry]

Are there any?

With no skins?

[real dove]

Cenny shorty silenced

off the top of head

[alpine ferry]

I don’t think there is sense in making one for him

It’s dark and I think that’s good enough

Maybe just one more to Caldwell Pax Trueshot?

[real dove]

you might not want one, but I do

all guns/varients IMO need a skin before we have guns with 10

that way everyone has an option

but anyway. not place for this discussion. Shall see what Cowl drops with

[granite shard]

llorona's heir, the rat, and sofia are all mexican I believe

sofia's voice actress was colombian but her association w marigolds and stuff seems more mexican to me

[night cliff]

okay now i'm just embarrassed
How could I forget all of them 🤦‍♂️

[granite shard]

It’s easy to forget shit 😂😂

[real dove]

esp with 100 hunters lol

[sick hedge]

My bad I missed this, ty boss

[ocean turtle]

Any clue why are so many damm loud horses half dead everywhere? Are they resistant to whatever happened in the bayou so they cant die to it?

[lucid anvil]

I assume the sculptor just didn’t find anything fun to do with them lol

[ocean turtle]

It will be so cool if next boss is a mutated giant horse just like rotjaw but roams around like crazy instead

[lucid anvil]

Ooh! Fun idea

[ocean turtle]

The thing i hope we get one day is some wendigos in the woods,ppl feel to comfy in the forest i think

[real dove]

The horses and dogs are the result of someone setting them loose from an animal shelter iirc

There's a lore but about it

[hidden kindle]

I agree with you

[rare dirge]

Cowl giving us our assassin cosplayer now

And a krag bayo skin at last

It’s only been like a year

Now all we are missing is a spider cosplayer

[rotund ferry]

Cowl looks pretty cool

[rotund ferry]

do you think they have his gaunt, pale torso exposed to avoid another series of headsmen-esque complaints

[real dove]

lm,ao

[rotund ferry]

Maybe but he's got a lot of wraps and bandages on his wrists and face so even if his torso wasn't exposed he'd still be easier to see than headsman

I will say he definitely looks malnourished, somebody needs to get him some popeyes chicken or something

[warm quartz]

I hate it

[visual finch]

I'm pretty sure he hates you too

[warm quartz]

Common duster+pants+boots

Except for a few bandages and brown eye in the middle of his face

Krag skin is the worst

Wow scar lines

It's not like we have like 3 weapons looking the same

Different bayonet shape is nice I guess

Wow did he tie some strings around it?

And an engraving in honor of his favorite japanese naughty cartoon

Bow looks like a composite bow in a trailer

Which would be cool

Except it's just blades portruding from the handle

Guess we'll have to see it in the game

But right now it's you vs guy she told you not to worry about situation

Knives are ok

Not to my taste, but nice to see some new different shape weapons

All in all looks lazy

[night cliff]

I like him, looks cool

[visual finch]

yeah i like him too

[mint wind]

The bow looks honestly very cool.

[granite shard]

yea I'm jazzed abt him

[real dove]

The character is cool. I like the bow and gun, tho not a bow user but the design is cool. Krag fits in with theme of tie some rope to that sucker and maybe rub some dirt on it but glad to see a gun get some love, will use when i feel Kraggy. knives are eh. have a lot of those imo. But the character is well done, gives Assy vibes while being himself

[rare dirge]

I just wish that knife skin wasn’t a throwing knife skin

That’s my only complaint

[granite shard]

I feel like it's been a while since we've gotten a throwing knife skin tbh

the last one I think was w the miko?

[rare dirge]

Yeah but we already got a bunch of throwing knife skins

And like actually nobody uses them

[zenith perch]

Yall think we'll get a spider skin?

[granite shard]

idk I play with people who regularly use throwing knives, plus they'd only be making them if people use/buy them

I hope we get a spider skin as like a BB hunter instead of another DLC

[rare dirge]

Eventually I’m sure

[zenith perch]

Centennial Shorty skin would be nice

[visual finch]

I'm a bit sad those are throwing knife because in the throwing department i always go with the axe, because, you know... murmurblade

[granite shard]

I'm a calling bird girlie

[mint wind]

Shorties don't have skin, springfield deadeye does

[heavy matrix]

When dlc coming around maybe?

[visual finch]

Soon ™️

[heavy matrix]

soon is a very relative term for coutless of reasons. Could I maybe have a more genaric term to describe the possible date of release for this dlc which I will 100% buy if given the approximate time of its release date as If I dont get it it would only be a 90% chance.

[visual finch]

Surely before the end of the year

[heavy matrix]

Ill take it

[analog cedar]

I thought the thing behind Butchers Cleaver was going to be The Cowl, I mean the one we got is cool but it's not "this guy is really into bugs" cool

[rare dirge]

If anything the beekeeper was more into bugs anyways and I feel they fit that theme

Also wtf even is behind the butchers cleaver anyways there

[granite shard]

I think that's the murmurstone

on chary's little information wall in the ToC story page there was an illustration simliar to it

and so I think that's it

[zenith perch]

I imagine that's what the sculptor looks like

[rare dirge]

Thought the murmurstone was the throwing axe skin we got from that battle pass?

[granite shard]

nah that's the murmurblade

[rare dirge]

AH

lol

[granite shard]

the butcher's cleaver was not very clever w his naming convention of his fun new tool 😂

[rare dirge]

Yeah no kidding

Real creative pig man right there

I always thought the stone was like a stone stone at least though not like a creature

[real dove]

Yeah, I also think that the face we see on Chary's board and the game screen are the Sculptor, not the talkrock

unless it's a zoomed in image of a Armor'ed face

since they technically are also covered in chitin

[rare dirge]

The sculptor I woulda assumed to resemble something like a biblically accurate angel or some random abomination like that

Not really human like y’know

[real dove]

dunno. this sculptor is very insectile

leeches, hives, armored are covered in chitin...

the things it's influenced are very buggy

[rare dirge]

He do like he buggy

[real dove]

yar

[rare dirge]

And don’t forget Dave cheetle and Fred

[real dove]

true

tho those were bred by someone iirc

still influenced by plague so yeah, connected

[rare dirge]

Still a bug creature that originated from the bayou and the sculptors weird magic

[real dove]

honestly, I hope we dont really get a clear image of it

it's scarier when you dont know

[rare dirge]

I hope we EVENTUALLY get a look at it

Just not right now

I want it to be like a big thing

Apart of some massive event

[real dove]

shall see

think we have a rather large event incoming with the new map

[rare dirge]

Maybe

I’m super excited for the new map

[real dove]

RJ was treated pretty largely

tho, imo, rewards on her still suck

[rare dirge]

Had to start off the tides trilogy somehow

With a big bang

A new boss

[real dove]

ya. did that, got like 40k players in that week or something

but she still isnt great to kill

but shall see what the new map and event brings

and where it is

that's the part Im most curious about

[rare dirge]

I hope we get a new boss sometime soon even though we just got one recently I feel like in the lore if the sculptors range increases to over Colorado or wherever this new map is it would like create something new or something because of the biome

[rare dirge]

I think it’s the opposite she is scary unique but once you understand her she becomes easy like all the other bosses

[real dove]

Yar. I think we'll get a new roamer (or new boss boss?!) next year

Oh no shes not hard

shes just annoying

and since she's out in the open, her reward does not equal her risk

[rare dirge]

I no hit her and kill her pretty fast I just think it’s annoying she saps stamina so I end up switching to guns halfway through the fight

[real dove]

may be a skill issue on my end

[rare dirge]

Wild contract or normal contract boss either way I’d be happy with a new one

[real dove]

we dont bother with her unless we've been downed or the bounty is at the other end of the map or we randomly get her

[rare dirge]

Idk I’d have to see you fight them to help

[real dove]

or everyone is dead

I dont actively hunt her tho. I do love how her clues work tho

[rare dirge]

Rotjaw isn’t worth it not because of the risk but more for the effort to payout ratio here

[real dove]

yes

[rare dirge]

Her clues are more annoying

[real dove]

nah

[rare dirge]

But cool

[real dove]

I feel like I'm actually hunting her

[rare dirge]

It’s a whole lot cooler but can be very annoying sometimes so the effort to find her then kill her just is too much effort sometimes

[real dove]

the bosses just make the map shrink, and like, if you know how the maps close you can pretty much guess the boss compound after 1 if there are 2 boss bosses

yes

agreed

Her risk is not worth her reward

But hopefully rhe next boss wont be quite such a pain

[rare dirge]

Also it’s kinda disappointing because her design is by far the coolest out of the 5 bosses and how she works to fight is so much more unique

[real dove]

oh i love her

she and beaky are my favs

[rare dirge]

Yeah they both so silly

Though honestly it’s hard to pick because as much as the other 3 are more basic they still are so cool

Really well designed

[upbeat kiln]

80% of the time, I get it right about 30% of the time lol

[real dove]

lmao. yeah, by the time you get to it you've usually hit another clue to confirm

but if the map is cut right and you spawn far enough or close enough and so forth, can guess pretty accurate off just the 1st clue

lotta ifs tho. I still like RJ's clue style more

shame there is no way for the real bosses to have something like that

over cutout

[rare dirge]

Game would be a lot more tedious if those clues were like that

[real dove]

would it? would be the same

points in direction of boss

if anything, could speed it up

RJ clues are tedious as you dont know where along a line she is

[rare dirge]

I guess but not having the map indicate anything would leave me lost if I got into a fight and forgot where to go

[real dove]

you know the bosses are at a compound

add lil markers on map

[rare dirge]

Most of the Time the clues lead you in a straight line anyways

[real dove]

true

dunno

i just like hers

bosses unlikely to chance as they are locked to set locations

change

[rare dirge]

Yeah that’s also part of the problem

They ain’t out anywhere

Only in compounds

[granite shard]

tbh I think the way it narrows down to compounds works better to funnel PVP along than directions would

since directions would be very unique based on which compound you spawned in so there'd be a higher chance you wouldn't run across another group until you got to the compound

like instead of starting in upper desalle, bumbling around to church, and then reeves before going down to lower if that's where the boss actually is, you'd just go straight to lower

[rare dirge]

Yeah

Idk I do agree it’s lamer but is better for the game to be this way

[icy brook]

I just miss the old clues with the skulls in them

[granite shard]

I don't know if I ever experienced that

when were they removed from the game?

[real dove]

I saw a version of the cut down map that basically gave you a direction- like a wida angle, then as you found more clues it narrowed to just the actual spot. but still, not really a way to do it other than how it's done for PVP stuff

[tall vigil]

It is my personal headcanon that the Miko is not actually a trained swordswoman, and is instead mimicking what she observed samurai doing from her shrine. While trained and practiced with her bow, her only real sword training came after her departure to Louisiana, where she met up with the Ronin.

I have no basis in the lore for this, I just think it’s cute.

[rotund ferry]

[Rotjaw exists]
Gar:

https://tenor.com/view/petting-aligator-crocodile-gif-25954785

[neat juniper]

not just gar

half the discord server too

[rotund ferry]

They're not wrong

[neat juniper]

i am one of them 😔

[rotund ferry]

Nothing to be ashamed of

[granite shard]

She’s just a big baby!!!!!

[rotund ferry]

SHE ATE MY PARDNER

[visual finch]

Princess 🫀

[tame bane]

Reptilian will do what he needs to do

[rotund ferry]

Everyone wanted to kill poor Rotjaw in tide of shadows