lore-discussion

[night cliff]

yeah I got a similar feeling rereading it.

[mint wind]

So much potential for the Viper, but I'll never play them with a mask 😔

[granite shard]

I never unlocked their masked variants which… tbh I’m fine w lmao

I like their second tier the most

[mint wind]

A bit sadge imo, considering the Viper is agender and covers their face, so there should be no way of knowing how they look like lore-wise.

[granite shard]

I think they didn't cover their face initially-- at least in one of the chapters it specified them deciding to put on the basket mask

I think that the four stages are supposed to align with their apperance throughout serpent moon's story

[near leaf]

i missed most of the moon event....due to IRL commitment. not even joining devil moon event

quite a surprise when i found out that lady hunter got rezzed and become a hunter zombie

ms ochenkov i think

[granite shard]

tbh I don't really understand how/why she looks like that. traitor's moon mention that she came out unscathed so there's some weird jump between that and then her at the end of SM/start of DM that never rly got explained I feel

[mint wind]

I think I've already asked (and got answered) but I have no idea of what happened during Traitor's Moon.

[noble scarab]

She came out of the fires from traitors moon just fine, but chary decided to experiment

[granite shard]

basically chary was doing his little magical experiments in front of kevin's house, and up until mary ochenkov everyone who volunteered to take part in them was killed. her strength of will was strong and so she was able to survive. more people survived after her apparently. after that, they all had to come back with that which they considered most important (for her, it was the heart of her husband. her whole reason for volunteering was bc chary said he could cure his tuberculosis or whatever. so kinda tragic). kevin watched the whole time kinda terrified. chary then made him take part and the moon chose him to become her champion and kill chary

[mint wind]

That last part is from serpent Moon, no ? Or it's just the end of TM and the beginning of SM.

[granite shard]

end of TM

[mint wind]

I remember this also being for beginning of SM, tho I may confuse with one of the event's trailer.

[granite shard]

I think kevin dreams abt it or something

but the events actually happen in TM

[mint wind]

But the snake thing happens in SM. So I presume he was already the Moon's champion, just not in the False Saint attire.

[lean idol]

Hello 👋 I was wondering about the source of the infection or plague in Hunt and was wondering if there’s anything stating what’s causing it

[warm quartz]

eldritch std

[granite shard]

He became the moon’s champion in traitor’s moon, serpent moon starts with him dreaming abt those events. I think it’s just meant to be a summary for people coming into the story who might not have played TM

[lean idol]

Lol

[warm quartz]

Beekepeer says there are four drowned

Kid, Rat, Captain and..?

[granite shard]

thirteenth mate

[slow pebble]

he's not pledged

[rare dirge]

Neither are the drowned kid and the drowned rat but they are still apart of the drowned pact

The lore doesn’t always line up with gameplay

If it did Kevin would be small and look more like a child it would be the year 1900 almost 1901 and many hunters wouldn’t not be available to play because they are dead so on so forth

[granite shard]

they've mentioned they're not pleding all of the new hunters anymore due to people feeling like it limits their choices w the new hunters

they get the bonuses but not the lock

[night cliff]

I just noticed that Coal Bearer has this on both his revolvers and I was wondering what other people make of it.
For me it looks like a moon crescent with stars over mountains with a maybe a forest under them and a river at the bottom.
it's very hard to make out tho so I'm not so sure.

[rare dirge]

Yeah some northern looking stuff

I get that here in Alberta actually

Very nice mountain valleys with amazing sky’s and rivers and whatnot

I’m assuming this isn’t like the actual Santa seeing as that would be an odd thing so thinking about it now he might be the first Canadian

Who knows though

Does talk about the “North poll shifting” or whatever

[night cliff]

uhh nice
Maybe it's his vacation spot and the guns are like his souvenirs

[rare dirge]

I could see that

[rare dirge]

Also I just want a Canadian hunter 😔

[night cliff]

It is definitely strange that we haven't gotten any yet

[rare dirge]

It’s cruel

[spring hearth]

Is there a like, no nonsense, “someone fucked the moon” type explanation to the lore of the current event?

[night cliff]

I would summarise it as: "Chary messed around and broke the land of the dead"

tho I think the Tide trilogy it's a bit more complicated than the Moon story was

[spring hearth]

Much appreciated

I don’t follow the lore as much as I should I just like to keep up in case someone asks I can pretend to know

[regal trout]

Yeah Black Coat died way before the canonical events of Hunt

He was killed by his two daughters

[granite shard]

That is not what happened

[rare dirge]

yeah i dont think he died anymore

[frozen drift]

So… laffite ended up being devoured by the boiler of the Delphine’s ghost

I guess he found it comforting. Considering that’s the one place he’d find fitting to die in

[granite shard]

can you post the chapters you're up at?

chapter 12

[frozen drift]

im on 15.

[granite shard]

Could you post chs 12-14 too?

[frozen drift]

Later

[granite shard]

Cool thanks!

[frozen drift]

Also didn’t you already post 12?

[granite shard]

Omg I’m dumb

13 and 14

[frozen drift]

It’ll be kinda late

As I’m in the middle of a qp match

[granite shard]

No worries! I’m just curious to see what happens

[frozen drift]

@granite shard

[frozen drift]

Hey… @rare dirge , when the rat mentioned the four drowned, does she mean her, the kid, laffite, and deckhand?

[rare dirge]

rat isnt the one saying that

its the rat drowned captain and thirteenth mate

[frozen drift]

…You’re losing me here.

Yes rat isn’t the one who mentioned that

But lynch said “We four drowned”

Hhh… I’m assuming then it’s rat, kid, thirteenth mate, and laffite

I got no other idea

Cause idk why deckhand is part of the downed pact

[raw gust]

he's nautical

he did wash up on shore 🤔

[frozen drift]

Oh?

Hmm… hhh idk

I’m guessing laffite might’ve went with the Delphine ghost?

So it could be rat, kid, deckhand, and thirteenth mate

But again idk

[spare mason]

Who is Mr charg

Charg

CHARY

[frozen drift]

He’s the leader of the previous infernal pact

[patent sleet]

Chary is an evil old bastard searching for power.

[frozen drift]

I don’t get why he’d find power in the murmurstone…

[rotund ferry]

I mean if some freak that dresses like a pig can pull out blessings and a cleaver from it than a cunning and devious individual such as Chary can probably get a lot more out of it

[frozen drift]

And yet did he really get what he wanted?

[rotund ferry]

Well no because there's people constantly standing in his way and thwarting him

Finch and Sofia in Tide of corruption

and Kevin Linus w/ Lunar pact in Devil's moon

[frozen drift]

Is it Elwood finch btw?

Like the Elwood finch

[rotund ferry]

probably yeah

[frozen drift]

Cause… Well now there’s a female finch

Or… Was it lynch

Nvm it’s lynch

Still WHO is she?

[rotund ferry]

I'm not entirely sure what the Hierarchy of the AHA is but iirc Finch was the former AHA executive and Chary is the current executive

[frozen drift]

Ik that

[patent sleet]

Lynch isn't human, that much is true

[rotund ferry]

I don't know who Lynch is

which means she's probably not super important

[frozen drift]

A witch who’s apparently guiding the downed

Drowned*

I think she’s the second voice we hear in the drowned rat’s chapters

[patent sleet]

she's an important character in the fictional "As Bad As They Seem" story

[frozen drift]

Peh… I barely have been reading up on those…

[rotund ferry]

I'd rather watch than read

I soak information better when it's visual

I'm curious about Chary's phobia of clouds

[frozen drift]

Phobia of clouds…?

I’ve never heard something more…obscure

Than that

[rotund ferry]

When Finch and Chary have their brief conversation in Chapter 10 of the Tide of Corruption story, Finch brings it up

[frozen drift]

Right… I never read those wax cylinder chapters

[rotund ferry]

"I heard you were afraid of clouds, is that true?" he asked me. Pain flared in my leg at the thought, but his inquiry did not warrant a response. He was just trying to hurt my feelings."

[frozen drift]

Hmm…

Idk where he is now… honestly

He’s now a side character in essence.

[patent sleet]

Finch is dead and drowned, Chary turned to ash

[rotund ferry]

lol they'll be back

speaking of Chary and Finch

When Chary signed onto the AHA Finch and him had an exquisite meal

They mention it in Chapter 10

Roasted duck and veggies with presumably orange sauce and powdered beignets for dessert

[frozen drift]

Hhh… damn I could use some beignets after my flu subsides

[rotund ferry]

You sick too?

[frozen drift]

Yes.

[rotund ferry]

Feels bad but I can empathize

I'm just now getting over a virus of something nasty myself

[patent sleet]

pretty sure Finch just had special blood, he doesn't know ritual magic like Chary

[frozen drift]

Apparently his blood was enough to break the murmurstone

[patent sleet]

it just broke the ritual, the Murmurstone remained intact

pretty sure

[frozen drift]

Hmm…

[regal trout]

Hmm

Right now it seems like the only playable legendary that's officially, permanently dead is Black Coat

Unless I'm mistaken

[frozen drift]

Didn’t we just… elaborate that the twins were known to exaggerate?

Ffs…

[regal trout]

You'd think they'd lie about killing him?

[frozen drift]

The researcher Harold black (or whatever his name is, that guy with the glasses) seems to think so

[regal trout]

Curious

Do we know what happened to Ochenkov's Widow after Chary died?

[frozen drift]

Joined the demented

[regal trout]

Also the lore mentions that uh

The Butcher obsessed hunter isn't the leader of the demented any more

Did the last event's story explain what happened?

[frozen drift]

Someone mentioned he was eaten alive by those stalker beetles

[regal trout]

Ahhh

It seems a group like the Demented are destined to rotate leadership.... Fairly often

[frozen drift]

Fairly often?

[regal trout]

As in, their leaders probably die often lol

[frozen drift]

Who are their leaders

Yknow besides butcher cleaver and cowl

[regal trout]

It's more just speculation that a group like demented is destined to have people die a lot

That's all

[frozen drift]

Oh

[red spear]

Lynch looked to the sky. Flicked a knife at the Moon. No ma'am you may NOT

[granite shard]

The story bad as they seem is a fictionalized retelling of the lives of the twins. The in-universe author likely exaggerated the confrontation he & the twins had. So it’s less the twins lied and more an author changing up a story for whatever reason

[granite shard]

And chary’s up there fighting the moon now too (she has to be kicking his ass lmao)

[granite shard]

She’s more important in earlier lore, she’s been out of the action for a while.

She had been pretty high up in the AHA and is one of the reasons for why the schism happened. Like she got huff killed and stuff. She also recruited people (like the phantom, also the twins)

[frozen drift]

How come we don’t see the twins at all?

[granite shard]

Shrug emoji. They’re referenced a lot by people in earlier lore but have yet to come up recently

With lynch coming back into the narrative we might see them sometime soon

[mint wind]

Next quest perhaps. Like with the Reptilian quest.

[granite shard]

maybe

also the confirmation that the beekeeper is a mother. man she might take the cake for worst mom in hunt

[night cliff]

So I read the last couple of Chapters, that were posted earlier, and am I just confused or did we not get real conclusion again?

[granite shard]

yea it seems really open ended

I think??? the drowned are less zombified now????

a mosquito landing on the rat's cheek to drink her blood makes me think that she's prob less rotting now

[night cliff]

okay
yeah the mosquito makes sense if they are less drowned I guess
last couple of chapters left a bit wired tho but maybe that's just me

I wonder if the tailcoat guy will play a role in the future since he only was only here briefly and seems to know way more then he should

[granite shard]

I think just an overall epilogue would be nice

like... what actually just happened? lol

[night cliff]

yeah exactly
do we even know what has changed now?

[mint wind]

Oh shoot this place is full of spoilers now
Seeya when the lore is completed here 👋

[rare dirge]

Is chary like fucking vector from despicable me?

[granite shard]

lmao

I think the moon took the opportunity to kick his ass

he got dematerialized and she was like "my turn now"

[rare dirge]

“Mf you got lucky with my champion I’m gonna do it myself now”

[granite shard]

😂

[rare dirge]

I ain’t even got all the chapters I been way far behind this event

[regal trout]

That makes sense

Black Coat canonically is somebody who screwed over everybody he met, so it's very likely he's dead imo

[granite shard]

I mean we see he's not as of ToC (tho his status by the end is questionable, maybe he died maybe he didn't, we'll hopefully find out at some point lol)

[regal trout]

Mhmm

[raw gust]

Next event: "I beat the moon in a fistfight"

Probably pretty easy tbh as the moon doesn't have fists

[patent sleet]

Well the Captain is dead-dead, having reunited with the Delphine's Ghost. The Beekeeper may be more or less dead, having been at ground zero for the big booms.

The Moon is one big fist.

[rare dirge]

Yeah actually what’s up with the moon?

Is it like actually alive in hunt?

If not what’s up with that whole champion thing

If so…. What the fuck how the fuck is the moon Alive

Oh and another thing if it’s alive

How alive is it

Is it like.. killable?

[night cliff]

I would say the moon is more like a deity of sorts or at least a being of power similar to the sculptor

[rare dirge]

Probably a better explanation

[granite shard]

Chary was also siphoning her power

[deft lintel]

High guys, I'm currently in the process of making a document with the full lore on the game, with the wikia, website and game as sources. Would you be interested in it if I posted it here in the future?

[granite shard]

And the sculptor already weakened her I think. There’s mentions to how she was getting corrupted due to the sculptor’s influence

[rare dirge]

That was serpents right? That’s why the moon was green or whatever?

[granite shard]

And traitor’s

[rare dirge]

Oh yeah

Also “brother betrayed brother” that’s Cain

Because Cain in the bible or whatever did that took a page right out of rust and bludgeoned his brother to death with a rock

[night cliff]

Sure, it's the best place for it

[rare dirge]

So I assume the Cain in hunt has a similar backstory

[night cliff]

wait! Chary's first name is Orwell?

[patent sleet]

Yes, but I don't think that was ever mentioned again.

[deep flower]

Can someone give me a quick TL;DR of Tides of Shadow for me?

[patent sleet]

The Delphine is carrying the Murmurstone. It ends up in the Land of the Dead. Chary(?) "helps" the crew get back to reality. This requires Rotjaw and the Murmurstone.

Back in reality there is a big melee involving Rotjaw and by extension the Murmurstone. Gar banishes Rotjaw back to the Land of the Dead and the Demented pact show up to take advantage of the chaos.

Rotjaw's travels are responsible for the rain(?).

[granite shard]

the rat's also killed in the big final showdown

[patent sleet]

The Land of the Dead is now having an unnatural effect on the Bayou. The veil between worlds is breaking down.

[red spear]

So I know he dematerialized, but I must have missed the bit talking about the moon now beating the crap out of him.

[patent sleet]

Pretty sure it's a joke, for now.

[red spear]

Ah, gotcha. My brain has been fried from work/holidays and I'm only skimming over the chapters y'all are posting here

[patent sleet]

I got the impression one of the Spine Altars was dragging him back to the LotD.

[neat juniper]

nice name

approved

[granite shard]

when she enters the land of the dead daughter of decay muses how she hears chary's laugh around her and thinks he's fighting the moon

[patent sleet]

Ah, I hadn't seen that.

[frozen drift]

He’s fighting the moon…

Oh dear. He wants to usurp it/her

[patent sleet]

I don't think he has the tiniest chance of taking the Moon's place. He's probably fighting to remain intact.

[rotund ferry]

Whose kid is her? Do we know?

[granite shard]

We don’t

[frozen drift]

She could be referring to her bees for all we know

[patent sleet]

Odds are good the identity of her daughter is irrelevant.

[granite shard]

Yeah i think her daughter just left her

Since she seems to be kinda bitter abt that

[rare dirge]

I mean I think one part talked about her putting bees around her like new born daughter

And them crawling inside or something

I wouldn’t want that to by my mom either

[granite shard]

Her daughter chose self care 😂

[rotund ferry]

If my mom was demented pact I'd probably leave her too

Although if I were to determine a pact for my mom she'd probably be Infernal

I love my mom more than anything but she can be pretty devious and cunning when she wants to be

[ancient lotus]

Uh to the lore people here, i want to get into the lore entirely, how and where do i start?

[patent sleet]

Just start here:
https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Lore

[river socket]

What does the writing on the special ammo boxes mean?

Wait I think that template just answered my question

AHA

[visual finch]

Correct. It stands for American Hunter Association

[river socket]

Yeah

Imagine if the story carried over into WWI. No man’s lands, trenches, the weapons. Hellhounds galore and “angels” appearing on occasion to assist. All the unique guns too

[visual finch]

It's offtopic but i suggest you to give the tabletop game "Forbidden Psalm - The Last War" a look, it have the settings you are looking for 😄

[river socket]

Sounds cool!

I’m also a little confused as to the hunters taking meds before going into the bayou, but there’s so much going on and it seems like some of them just don’t leave, or they don’t leave soon enough to avoid being affected by the corruption

[night cliff]

the way I understood it is that some humans are just born hunters, or suffered through hardships in their lives(?), so they are capable of withstanding the corruption (for a time?)
that's how I understood how it used to work until the AHA found a way to turn the bounty tokens into some sort of antidote with beneficial side effects
so after some development and a few tragedies (origin of the meatheads) they reached the state when everyone could get an injection of the good old bayou stuff and be protected against the corruption

anything in regards to time spent in the dead zone is a bit wired and changes sometime if I remember right.
In one entry the Researcher writes about spending 40 minutes in it to inspect an armored and putting it dangerously close and then there's Salter who straight up "lived" there for a prolonged time.

[river socket]

Yeah that’s why I’m so confused because the lore shows people that seem to only remain in the bayou. But most of those have been changed by it already, like Gar and Reptilian

[night cliff]

yeah I get you
don't think we'll ever get a proper answer on this since I believe most of the short time limiting stuff in the lore was to explain why a match can only last for an hour, and they even changed that so I would try to seperate short time spend in the zone to gameplay explanations and long time spend to like actuall lore stuff
but that's just the way I take it

[river socket]

Yeah

I need more beetle more

Lore*

[runic tide]

Do we know who Charlie Salter is? His name keeps popping up in some of the lore

[night cliff]

I think he's the brother of William Salter

don't know if there is more than that tho

[runic tide]

Who are these salters

Maybe they'll be added as legendary hunters

[night cliff]

well William certainly won't

[green pollen]

i think its because most bounty people only assume someone can survive there for less than an hour. If you don't get back within then, your assumed dead.

[night cliff]

I'm not that knowledgeable about Salter's but to still give you a real answer I can only suggest watching Hazmat's video on William https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXeg1F9fnrY

[night cliff]

Could very well be

[mellow otter]

Does anyone know the lore on the souls of a feather DLC? like in depth?

[night cliff]

do you mean Besides their DLC descriptions and their short appearance in the event chapters?

[mellow otter]

I guess? All I've really read is the steam page for the DLC, wasn't satisfied, wanted to know more about the Demented pact and their relationship to eachother

[warm quartz]

Morrigan is Midian's gamer gf

That is established

[night cliff]

In that case I don't think we have much on them tbh. Maybe the mastery entries for the current event weapons will have something related to them after the event or future skins may relate to them.
other than that I don't know, but they are fairly new so maybe they come up again

[warm quartz]

They like to caw and have a pet crow with no wings that they let play with piglets

[mellow otter]

lmfao

[zenith perch]

[near leaf]

i notice that most of the demented pact hunter are people with mental trauma or just crazy.
cain = mad man, killed his blood relative
beast hunter = nightmare and crazy ambition to tame zombie hound,
ochenkov widow = dead husband and devil moon event,
scarecrow = goes crazy from watching so many people die around him

[rotund ferry]

So when Moorhound and Iron bark released I made assumptions that the next wild target would be canine themed, we also got that twitch drop charm that looked like the jaw of a small canine-like creature.

I've also heard dubious amounts of low-pitched barely recognizable dog-like growls while playing on the new Ash bloom wild card but only when I'm alone as a solo or away from the group I'm playing

I'm still curious to know if our next wild target will be something akin to canine mythical beasts such as Cusith from Irish folklore or Garmr from Norse myth

[granite shard]

I think the chance of us getting some sort of wolfy target in the future is high

[night cliff]

I had the same thought progress
and man ash bloom is so filled with strange noises that I can't really make out much of what I'm even hearing

[granite shard]

I’d love a werewolf where it’s clearly a person who’s in this in-between stage bc not even the sculptor could make a human rly turn into a wolf and it just looks gross and painful

[night cliff]

It would have to be something like a werewolf right, something human based? since dogs get turned into hell hounds I would guess that standard wolves would too?

[rotund ferry]

Not a werewolf but rather something more concrete and historically mythological

That is what I'm hoping for anyways

[granite shard]

I mean Louisiana has rougarous

[rotund ferry]

Something with a name to it

Yeah like that for sure

[granite shard]

Which are basically just werewolves lol

I think tho that we’ll likely see something more interesting than just a straight up wolf monster tho

I say that when rotjaw was just a big gator (in a cool way), so who knows 😂😂

[rotund ferry]

Here are my top 4 picks for it to be based off of.

1. El Chupacabra from South America
2. Garmr from Norse
3. Cusith from Scotland and Ireland
4. Cerbeus from Greek

[lunar sky]

Cusith looks like he’d give you life advice and file taxes

[rotund ferry]

Wise old beast of the wilds, however he is cunning and like every beast has a insatiable bloodlust

[lunar sky]

So he can give wisdom?

The chupacabra is just my aunts 14 year old hairless chihuahua

And Cerberus is just my dog when she moves fast so it looks like she has multiple heads idk

[rotund ferry]

Your dog has 3 heads?!

[granite shard]

Yours doesn’t?

[lunar sky]

I think she’s a special breed or something

[rotund ferry]

I don't own a dog

[silver cargo]

I just got to chapter 5

and read of the ||butcher's cleaver|| fate

[rotund ferry]

According to recent event lore there seems to be a considerably large emphasis on insects and other related creatures and this has been evident since Tide of Shadows, possibly even before that. So a possible insect type wild target could also be in the near future.

Recently I've also heard more talk of potential flying enemies which got me thinking a wild target akin to something like the Twilight bloat fly from The Legend of Zelda Twilight princess would be a really cool edition to the Bayou in Hunt Showdown.

[night cliff]

not only recently, if I remember right insects and such are like the main thing of the sculpture
the entries about grunts talked about insects and larvae maybe spreading this plague
we obviously have the hives, the leeches on the meatheads, the assassin being made out of bugs so it's definitely a consisting theme

and I would definitely like to see more insects based monsters but I do know some people who have big problems with insects.
hell one of my mates will never enter the spider lair as long as it's alive so i wonder how many people would be grossed out by big insects attacking them
(Tho I haven't heard any complaints about the beetles in that sense)

[night cliff]

ups

[silver cargo]

[night cliff]

I'm really sorry, dyslexia + second language is a bad mix

[silver cargo]

You're doing pretty good for being second language, don't beat yourself up

[night cliff]

thank you
still was pretty embarrassing

[warm quartz]

I thought Daughter of Decay was stupid

I mean she is Felis's apprentice

Yet she goes around telling Mr.Chary that he is stupid

[rotund ferry]

Wdym?

[warm quartz]

When she meets him she goes like UwU you're doing dumb things you suck

[rotund ferry]

Yeah its because she's Grounded

Lunar Pact and Grounded Pact don't like Infernal Pact

In fact Infernal Pact is basically running solo

Even the Demented Pact doesn't like Chary and the Infernal

Not sure what Smugglers or Primal thinks

I'm assuming they're indifferent

How many pacts we got now?

Let's see...

[warm quartz]

Yes, yes, nobody likes Mr.Chary

What does it have to do with Daughter of Decay acting patronising to him?

[rotund ferry]

Well I'm confused

You're saying Daughter of Decay is stupid for disliking Mr. Chary and that she's Felis' apprentice which I don't think is actually true

If I remember correctly Felis' has ties to Doctor John and might be his apprentice(?)

Daughter of Decay is just a hunter pledged to Grounded

[night cliff]

Only connection I remember was that Felis gave her a Berthier (the skin from Daughter's DLC) so they do have history

[rotund ferry]

Yeah I know about the Berthier lore

Felis gives gifts all the time

She gave dusters to Reptilian

[night cliff]

oh really?
I didn't know that

[rotund ferry]

She's quite the generous little cat

Yeah Felis is Primal pact

Which leads me to believe that Primal pact and Lunar pact are working together

Since Felis has ties to Doctor John and Doctor John is most definitely Lunar pact or at least he assists and supports them

Doctor John assisted Lunar pact and told them about the flower that weakens Chary in Devil's moon story

On a side note we have a total of 8 different pacts now

Likely more on the way

[warm quartz]

No, I just thought she was generally stupid

As in not knowing what goes on the bayo

Yet she goes and talks to Mr.Chary like they're equals

Chary who clearly knows wtf is going on

[night cliff]

Not knowing every intricate detail of something as confusing as the current events in bayou and being stupid is not the same

[reef skiff]

What pact is the Santa clause in 🤣

[rotund ferry]

Probably a solo hunter

Or maybe Grounded

St. Nicholas strikes me as someone who would care and defend the Earth

I think in one of the event trailers Santa Clause is rolling with Grounded hunters

https://youtu.be/SoUas0Pu9Io?si=0-S6PQ6uoEFO0dBI

Yeah in this trailer Santa is running with Teche Wraith and Daughter of Decay

So Santa Chad earth defender confirmed 💪 🌎

[reef skiff]

Hell yeah Santa

[reef skiff]

Redneck strikes me as a grounded guy too

[night cliff]

he was in Lunar pact in Devil's moon if I remember right

[reef skiff]

What do they believe in

[night cliff]

they wanted to get rid of Chary

can't remember much else, it's been a while

[noble scarab]

the lunar peeps just follow kev, they more or less wanted to save the moon

they were the more or less "good" faction

grounded was supposed to be neutral, and infernal evil

[reef skiff]

Ahh gotcha

[regal trout]

Chary taking control of the moon would've been like

apocolyptic

[rotund ferry]

I'm not entirely sure if it would

Having the world as it is best suits the Infernal pact

Chaotic with a hint of control

They thrive on chaotic situations since they're all opportunists but too much chaos and nobody gets anything

[sweet cosmos]

He’s also seen with the rest of the grounded in some other promotional material

[fierce oriole]

so what happened between the events that butcher's cleaver isnt the leader of the demented pact anymore?

[noble scarab]

the rest of the demeted think he failed them

[fierce oriole]

yeah saw that in a loading screen tip

why tho

what happened

[noble scarab]

pretty much he failed to let them become better versions of the bosses

he also lost a fight to chary

[near leaf]

they were attacked by infernal pact and lost the fight

[granite shard]

He let the infernal pact steal the murmurstone specifically

[rotund ferry]

I thought Sofia destroyed the stone using the silver vials Finch gave her

[granite shard]

Yeah, that was after the infernal stole it tho

It went:

on the Delphine
butcher’s cleaver finds it
demented pact use it
infernal pact fights demented for it
burnt Marshall gets it
BM delivers it to chary
chary uses it to make LotD portal
sofia destroys it

[rotund ferry]

LotD portal is the Graven path correct?

[granite shard]

I don’t think so

Chary used rotjaw’s cage to make his portal

He was making his own personal portal and Sofia destroyed it

I think the graven path sprung up bc of it but wasn’t the original portal

[warm quartz]

Apparently Murmurstone is using Drowned to bring itself back to Earth

[rotund ferry]

I figured he was a lot more busy down in Kingsnake mine aside from trying to weaponize grunts

Also Butcher's Cleaver really was set up to fail

During his fight with Chary, Chary even tells him that they're not the Sculptor's chosen because the Infernal pact also receives the blessings

Demented pact as a whole really is a lost cause, all Butcher's Cleaver did was come across the scraps of a fight from Tide of shadows, picked up a blade, and assumed the position of leader to a bunch of lunatics

Him and his maniacs then proceed to get totally rinsed by the much more organized and disciplined Infernal pact and their holy relic is stolen and then destroyed by another group entirely

[warm quartz]

I don't think murmurstone is destroyed

[rotund ferry]

Butcher's cleaver is then tortured to death by his own group for failing to secure their "divine right"

[warm quartz]

Also the Rat doesn't have mexican accent

[rotund ferry]

She's Cuban iirc

[warm quartz]

No?

She is daughter of Tuco from The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

[rotund ferry]

Oh so she's Italian? 😂

[granite shard]

I think she’s supposed to be Mexican, “buried her father in an unmarked grave on the border” makes me assume probs Texas/Mexico

[rotund ferry]

Makes sense yeah

So Sofia, Llorona and Rat are all Mexican?

[warm quartz]

Well, the Rat and Sofia sure are

[silver cargo]

Iirc murmurstone got either stolen or stickybombed

[rotund ferry]

Beetle bomb combo

[granite shard]

I’d assume llorona as well, yea

[edgy aspen]

Sofia's accent doesn't sound Mexican. Maybe that was an accent from 125 years ago. Like when you hear US Radio brodcasts from the 20, 30s.

I thought at end of ToC Death pact shot the murmurstone with something with Finches blood. Or were they shooting at Chary?

[granite shard]

Her VA is Colombian

she shot the murmurstone

[carmine dirge]

Are there any good lore youtubers

[near leaf]

wait, i am at chapter twelve...whos lynch? ive read about her but cant remember much about her

[patent sleet]

IIRC, she mainly appears in "Bad As They Seem", is not quite human, and while she is opposed to the Sculptor she isn't on humanity's side.

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-invincible-conquer-earth-you-dont-seem-to-understand-gif-23087896

lynch^

[rotund ferry]

Yeah basically sums up Lynch

[lone plume]

Question. Is this zombie disease a plague or something more otherworldly?

[rotund ferry]

Otherwordly

It's not just a mere sickness but it's the biproduct of sinister rituals

Voodoo and eldritch intervention is likely to blame

[night cliff]

HazmatFTW

[carmine dirge]

Ty

How did the redneck last so long on his own at moses poultry

Is he just built like that or is there some lore reasoning

[granite shard]

He’s just built different

[real dove]

I have a theory that those who are exposed to dirt more than those who arent have stronger immune systems (did you eat dirt as a child or not, basically) and I'm sure that dude ate a whole lotta dirt. But in the end, yeah, dude is built different. Just look at him! Running around with a whole nip out there in the open. If I was the sculptor I'd also go nope, let's not turn that one into a grunt.

[jovial gazelle]

He's just living life high on his own moonshine.

Feel sorry for poor Redshirt. No idea if he's won his bet and keeps going back for fun or his friend keeps moving the goalposts.

[near leaf]

redshirt probably dead by now....lost the bet

[jovial gazelle]

A legend never dies... 😢

He knows that if you're going to be seen, you damn well look good doing it.

[night cliff]

He lived long enough for his story to be spread and for him to design his custom dynamit stick in response

[jovial gazelle]

Wait- legendary dynamite?

[noble scarab]

It sounds like he won the initial bet but he decided to keep going

He makes dynamite wrapped in playing cards, it’s called the overcall

Added an update or two ago

[jovial gazelle]

Ooh, first I've heard of that 👀
(But then I have been away since Scaled Ward)

[crimson dock]

Can someone please explain the Drowned Pact a little to me please? Rat is my favorite hunter to play, and I'm unsure if Drowned Rat is more evil aligned at the moment

[night cliff]

No, not necessarily more evil.
It‘s more like half alive version since she did „die“ at the end of Tide of Shadows
And their goal is well not to be drowned is the way I understood their personal motivation.

[warm quartz]

They're the same people, they were released upon the bayo by the murmurstone to bring it back

They don't have a choice in the matter, they sometimes lose control of themselves and do their objectives

[crimson dock]

Thanks!!

[gilded umbra]

I like this section. 🤠

[rotund ferry]

None of the pacts save for Demented are inherently good or evil they all just have their own goals

I guess from a scale of 1 through 10

Good being 1 and evil being 10

Grounded is 1
Demented is 10

[raw gust]

Isn't grounded more neutral? I was expecting Lunar to be the lowest at 2 or so

[rotund ferry]

I'd put lunar at 2 because we don't entirely know what the moon's intentions are they seem good but it could be a guise for a much more sinister goal

[night cliff]

grounded was originally neutral/not involved but I guess since things further deteriorated they evolved and could no longer sit everything out

[raw gust]

Yeah, blasély trusting the moon seems like a bad idea to me, too

[rotund ferry]

The serpent moon charm talks about how snakes are hardly the worst thing the moon can produce

So it's my assumption that her power is on par or even greater than that of the Sculptor's

If her ultimate goal were to assume the position as Sculptor than that would be bad

[jovial gazelle]

Death Pact are the people who were forcefully ejected back into the living world by Death, to fix the mess Chary caused with the Delphine.

Drowned Pact are people who escaped from the Land of the Dead through the holes in the veil Chary caused, and they aren't as... Stable as the Death Pact revenants are.

Or that's my understanding.

[crimson dock]

This is awesome! Thank you

[warm quartz]

Demented pact aren't evil, they're just crazy

Also I feel kinda bummed that Llorona has nothing to do with drowned pact

It's her main shtick after all

[rotund ferry]

She's in league with Chary and fights alongside Burnt Marshall

In my head Canon Llorona and Burnt Marshall are romantic but that's not Canon at all

Demented Pact are definitely evil they're going around murdering and torturing people for the sake of the Sculptor and the Sculptor is not a benevolent entity by any means

[rotund ferry]

My understanding was Drowned pact had something to do with Lynch

Since Lynch is like some sea witch now or something

[devout mortar]

something interesting

Omnes Una Manet Nox
Et Calcanda Semel Via Lethi

[noble scarab]

what guns are those from?

"one night waits" and "And treading once the road of Lethi"

[pearl abyss]

Im wondering, what are the known gangs/pacts and what do they fight for.
Like I know grounded wants people to stay dead, demented are nuts but idk on infenal and such

[regal trout]

So did Hornskin confirm die last event?

I thought the wording was ambiguous

But now she's Drowned

[regal trout]

Death pact aren't undead

They're just people who want to restore the natural order of death

Hail Mary and Mama Maye and the Grace digger dude all aren't undead

Even reaper isn't

[near leaf]

the grandma hunter also are not dead. they just want death to be a permanent thing

[frozen drift]

I’m not even sure if Sofia is considered dead

[odd igloo]

can someone explain lore to me

[fervent escarp]

#lore-discussion message

[odd igloo]

thanks

you are helping

[granite shard]

They are, it’s the first thing established about them. It’s just different from the drowned

The drowned are very specific: it’s laffite, the thirteenth mate, the rat, and the kid. Lynch made then so she could have them gather up other pacts and sacrifice them to the big bug growing in the mound

The drowned pact seems to involve more hunters who are sympathetic to them (including the deckhand and the hornskin but they’re never mentioned in the event so that could just be gameplay benefits only stuff)

But the death pact are immediately established to have died, but before they entered the land of the dead, death was like “no, back to life to fix this this for me. Thanks”

[real dove]

First entry in TOC is Sofia saying what Smalls says. Tho, part of me wonders if all the hunters are suffering from deaths/rebirths and these guys are just extra fed up with it

[noble scarab]

The fact that the revenant wasn’t leading the death pact or at least mentioned is wild

Still wild

Even post event

[real dove]

I hadn't considered that. He'd be with the Bone Doc,

righ?

who, if Felis is to be followed, is now in charge of the primal

I hope they do an arc with Bone Dr. He was a fav of mine when I first started playing

[regal trout]

Mmmm

Maybe death pact are more the "standard" type of undead

As in, revived hunters

Idk

They're not characters where specifically being undead is a big part of their backstory

Which is why I was confused

[neat juniper]

revenant would never be with death pact

[regal trout]

Yeah considering if death was restored to it's natural state he wouldn't be around lol

[granite shard]

I think the revenant is a different sort of undead-- Death fully rejected the death of the deaths of the death pact whereas the revenant was raised by the dead by a human actor (night speaker)

death pact for all intents and purposes are living lives as normal humans and have a specific goal (setting the natural order of death back). revenant is a zombie

[real dove]

True, kinda hard to say "we're restoring death to natural state" when you have a corpse with a hole in his chest with you...

[noble scarab]

We don’t have enough info about him post-rez to know if he wants to be undead, it seems like he just might be a voodoo type zombie that follows orders

[real dove]

Included in the TOC story is that Death is running low on "death" of the kind the Pact want- didn't know being truly dead is a finite resource but apparently it is, which is maybe how hunters come back over and over

Reread the TOC story and now i want 2 things- 1, for DA to get an alt version with a carved gator mask, and 2, a spiderman meme moment where a hunter runs into themselves

[granite shard]

him following orders is the most likely scenario for him (w a potential of a storyline of him gaining agency, but shrug emoji there) which is why I don't see him falling in line w the death pact

[real dove]

I'd figure he's kinda akin to the Widow

[granite shard]

he seems mostly tied up with the night of the hunter cult and so we have the greatest chance of seeing him there if we get another storyline progressing them

[noble scarab]

I think the only actual agency we see him have is reclaiming his gun from the bar tender

[granite shard]

trailers seem to be really shaky with how canon they can be considered too tbh

like w the tide of desolation one having the demented getting wiped lmao

[frozen drift]

Something happened to the coal bearer’s reindeer… most likely murdered, by who or what, can’t say for sure. But this seems to affect the dude no doubt

[warm quartz]

I too wouldn't be glad if someone killed my raindeer

[near leaf]

waldman probably

[rotund ferry]

What wars has Sgt. Bridgewater served in?

Considering the game takes place in late 1895 and Bridgewater appears to be in his 40s, maybe early 50s, that'd put his year of birth around 1840s-1850s which does open up the possibility of being present in mid-late Civil War.

However considering the description of the Honor Above skin (Colt Model 1892) he seems to have been in the Army (and actively involved in conflict) until at least 1892.

His equipment seems to be 1878 Pattern or 1894 Pattern, his uniform is weird and seems to be a mix of civil war infantry and 1870s/80s US Army infantry uniforms.

[real dove]

He's a Buffalo Soldier

Which were active post Civil war in wars against the Natives

[granite shard]

yea, fighting in the indian wars is prob most likely for him

[rotund ferry]

that's what I'm thinking

[granite shard]

he looks too young to have been in the civil war to me, I think he looks more like he's in his early 30s rather than 40s or 50s personally

but figuring out ages for hunters based on their models is impossible lmao, never forget that kevin is 14 and the viper is 27

[rotund ferry]

I think 50 was an unlikely but possible stimate

he looks early-to-mid 40s to me

[rotund ferry]

ah

[real dove]

Forget not everyone is familiar with US history

^^ but yeah, he's likely a Buffalo Soldier that more became a thing post Civ War, they fought against the Natives and the name comes from their hair being similar to that of a buffalo's

Be cool if Crytek was a bit more clear on the background of some of the folks based on real life things so you can look it up to find out more info

[granite shard]

(I will be honest in saying that there is also an entirely real potential that he was not made with any real war in mind and was just like vaguely mid-late 1800s american soldier man)

[rotund ferry]

I'm somewhat familiar with major conflicts involving the US, but was not aware of Buffalo Soldiers.

[real dove]

possible, but with others being based off real life things, I suspect thats what he is based on

All good!

[rotund ferry]

giving him a Spencer 1882 is a bit weird though

[real dove]

It explains his mish mash of things and such

and the title

[rotund ferry]

i cant find anything about the gun being bought by the US Army.

[real dove]

Probably dude took what he could get, I dont think they were well funded and got the newest shiny things

[noble scarab]

The description of his navy states that exact thing^

[rotund ferry]

The description of his Spencer shotgun says it is Standard Issue

[raw gust]

He really should have a Springfield, but presumably crytek didn't do that for getting people to buy the DLC reasons

[real dove]

Probably

It's a game and wont be 100% accurate

[rotund ferry]

the auto-5 has an incorrect reload and it pisses me off

[real dove]

Ah. I'm not the most knowledgeable on the weapons and wouldn't have noticed an incorrect load or such

I just have a light knowledge of US history from highschool years ago lol

[rotund ferry]

I have general knowledge of US history from reading

[real dove]

this game is gonna get me collecting the weapons from it and im so determined not to.. tho I do want to get a real bomb lance (minus the bomb) made

[rotund ferry]

we don't really get much into it here other than the American Revolutionary War, WW2 and Cold War here.

[real dove]

Fair, and why would you?

I happened to take a US history college level class in HS and had a really dope teacher that taught in a way that it all stuck

[rotund ferry]

and iirc I do think the formation of the US was mentioned somewhere in school

[real dove]

but my knowledge of the rest of the world is kinda lacking due to that

Prolly

Europe was kinda involved in some of that lmao

But tracks why Buffalo soldier isnt something you'd know

[rotund ferry]

I assume you're familiar with Kościuszko and Pulaski.

[real dove]

I am not, actually. Will have to do a read up :3 Still, would be neat to see some kind of name drop to help folks get an idea of what a character is meant to be based off. Fire Marshal was a good way to do it- you knew where to look to find out why he is dressed as he is

the googly eyed tin can

JK Pulaski I do know

Had to revive the info

[rotund ferry]

Oh well that's interesting then, two Polish generals that served in the American Revolutionary War

[rotund ferry]

JK?

[real dove]

just kidding

[rotund ferry]

ah

[silver cargo]

is it bad I first learned about buffalo soldiers from Marley

[warm quartz]

What I like about new hunters is that they tend to have pistols on them

Only Llorona used to do that

[upbeat kiln]

https://youtu.be/-hhGCEwL5X0?si=0-mMLx_1QrPCOX0u

Made a tier list for most of the main lore of Hunt. Tell me where I'm right and where I'm wrong 🤠❤️

[warm quartz]

Path to hell is paved with tier lists

[rotund ferry]

The Spanish American war and Korean war are two huge ones for U.S. History

The French-Indian war is also pretty big and some history classes teach about it and some don't

Considering the French-Indian war was a war fought before the colonies declared independence

[rotund ferry]

i know

as I said I have a general knowledge of US history

I hope at some point we get a Spanish-American war themed hunter

Polish hunter when

[rotund ferry]

The skins I'd want for such a hunter would be a Springfield M1892 Krag, Pax Supershot and a Ammo box skin.

As I recall Louisiana is an American state

where is the U.S. Army?

This we'll defend!

[icy brook]

Bridgewater more or less has all the correct military dress for 1895

[rotund ferry]

There'd be some things I'd change differently but for the most part Bridgewater is fine

But I'd love to see more military hunters come out like a Prussian themed hunter

1895 was an extremely historical time for armed forces across the world

The Khaki uniform in the first picture I sent is more or less what'd I love to see on a hunter

I'd buy that in a heart beat

[frozen drift]

Say why DO the grounded want to look for the source of the corruption?

[rotund ferry]

Probably to exterminate it and attempt to return the land back to it's former state

The Grounded pact are basically environmentalists if they didn't whine or throw food on paintings

Their biggest goal is to preserve the natural way of life and the Earth's green

[near leaf]

yep, around that year is the moment almost every gunmaker started to adapt smokeless gunpowder in their gun design too....

[rotund ferry]

at closer inspection I had no idea Thorax brew had actual bees on it

at least I think those are supposed to be bees and not little ornate statues

[upbeat kiln]

Then I will be your tour guide 😄

[warm quartz]

Looks more like flies

Would be cool if they crawled around

[molten forge]

So the Sculptor is a loa, and something just came to me when looking into the Loa.

I think the Black Coat might be possessed by Baron Criminel, the Loa envisioned as the first murderer, who's attributes are a Black tailcoat and top hat, cigar, bottle of wine. There might be more characters related to other Loa too (like the twins possibly being tied to Marassa Jumeaux)

[warm quartz]

No, devs made a point that these entities aren't loa

[real dove]

Yeah, sculptor is meant to be Cthulhu vibes. If anything, our 2 (maybe 3) special folks Chary Lynch and maybe this Duke could be stand ins for Loa- Maman for Lynch (Irish Woman), Chary is Papa Legba (Cane), and if this new player is the Duke , he may be the Baron S (tailcoats, name... not sure tho). But yeah, Hunt has seemed to move away from the voodoo elements- we haven't had anything with the Bone Doc and no new letters to the woman who was the Voodoo queen or anything.

[rotund ferry]

They're definitely bees if you look close enough

[granite shard]

I think voodoo does have a place in hunt since it is a belief system practiced in the area, but I think it needs to be handled with care and understanding that crytek might not be able to properly show, so I'm not too upset about them moving more away from it personally

I'd love to see more on the bone doctor's group but I'd also like to see them work with people actually in the culture to represent it properly

[real dove]

Agreed. I'm still mildy sus of some of the connections some of our more powerful folks show, esp now that Lynch is raising folks (After all, Maman Bri is loa of the underworld) but also fairly sure that's not an intended link.

[rotund ferry]

I feel the same about the Christian and Germanic culture present in the game

I'd love an event story about Hail Mary or Reverend

Last time I think we saw anything about Hail Mary was Serpent moon

[granite shard]

I think they're a lot better equipped to handle those two for sure

I'd like to see more of hail mary

[rotund ferry]

Honestly I like the Cthulhu love craftian vibes we're seeing in the game

Some great potential with it

I remember seeing Apocrypha for the first time in Skyrim and being like "oh hell yeah this is some love craftian shit right here"

I hope to see something similar for the land of the dead

The inner workings of multi-dimensional planar existences in alternate realities or timezones are something that greatly interest me

Older games from Treyarch like Jurassic the hunted and the wildly acclaimed Call of duty zombies series had stuff like time vortex and german scientists trying to figure out time travel and what not

This is me literally me 👇

I'm listening to Skyrim 30 hour ambience for relaxation and study

[granite shard]

lmao

[rotund ferry]

Look dreams are just messages from the deep and I intend on finding how deep I can go

I'm talking twenty thousand leagues under the sea

[real dove]

I would also love to see a pact with Bone doc at the core, with Voodoo coming back around but done right, obv

[rotund ferry]

I'm going to subnautica this shit fr fr

Phase gate portal here I come

I will discover the precursors of this universe and the next

All of them to be precise

Anyway

I'm done romanticizing my melancholic solitude now

[granite shard]

are you tho

[rotund ferry]

[Lie] Yes, totally!

[rotund ferry]

I just came to the realization that Witch hunter kinda looks like Helga from Atlantis

She even uses a Dolch in the movie 😂

[warm quartz]

Whoah they have so much in common

They're both women

And uhhhh

Oh, that seems to be it

Weird

[rotund ferry]

😐 bad day?

[mint wind]

That ain't a Dolch. Otherwise there's a similarity.

[rotund ferry]

I feel like a Dolch would fit perfectly for Witch hunter

[mint wind]

I'd say a Pax tbh.

[minor nova]

It's literally a C96

[mint wind]

It ain't.

[rotund ferry]

They're talking about what Witch hunter is carrying in the left picture

Helga does use a C96 though

Crudely drawn C96

But still technically a C96

[mint wind]

It doesn't look like one, so chances are it's a similar gun.

[rotund ferry]

Witch hunter uses a Berthier and a Nagant officer

[minor nova]

Is Witch Hunter even carrying a handgun in that picture???

[rotund ferry]

It's a C96 or at the very least it's the 1930 Spanish mauser

[rotund ferry]

No that'd be a Berthier

Berthier deadeye to be exact

[minor nova]

I meant like- I don't see any pistol on her person.

[rotund ferry]

I don't know why but in animated media people don't really draw the C96 correctly but honesu I doubt I could either

https://tenor.com/view/floch-aot-floch-forster-floch-forster-yeagerists-gif-20676022

[minor nova]

Atlantis takes place in 1914 so probably not the 1930

[rotund ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/floch-floch-forster-furokku-yeagarists-yeagerist-gif-20651954

This makes me cringe

[minor nova]

CGI handgun jumpscare

[rotund ferry]

The way he pulls back the hammer is fine but that is a looooong hammer

[rotund ferry]

No it's not CGI it's definitely drawn because it's animated with the figure

But its just not drawn great

If you want an even worse looking drawing of a Mauser C96 read the manga lmao

[warm quartz]

Any idea where this arrowhead could be from?

I thought it was native american, but apparently they weren't keen to metallurgy at the time

[vernal briar]

How much drinks do you think the Spirited drinks on a daily drinking basis?

Sorry

[rotund ferry]

No clue, but but the year is 1895 and native americans were able to produce works of metallurgy. As for if they were keen on it I'm still unsure.

That charm however, emphasizes the fact that an arrow head has more history than the bullet, but give or take a few 100 years or more and the bullet will have more history than the arrow head.

[rotund ferry]

considering he has tonics and brews strapped on him like a porcupine has quills I'd think he was an crippling alcoholic

[empty owl]

his reddish nose does indicate some form of alcoholism

[upbeat kiln]

Does any know where else I can find information about Sheriff Hardin within the lore? So far I have:

• The letters of Russell "Snakeskin" Chambers.
• The confession of Sheriff Hardin, part 1 and 2.
• His bio.
• Legendary weapons: Brassflower & The Noose.

[real dove]

The Q&A from during the moon stuff

or before TOS i think

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Q%26A_with_Sheriff_Hardin

[granite shard]

the baseball bat lore as well

[real dove]

Ah that's what I was missing. Knew there was another new one with him but couldn't find the page and figured I'd just imagined it

Doesn't he pop up somewhere or at least mentioned by the Pinkerton chick who's name currently escapes me?

Hawkshaw's gal

think it's just in passing tho, not really lore

[real dove]

He's mentioned in the Winnie trauma

[granite shard]

Oh yeah

He’s also in the scottfield either spitfire or swift lore

And then in the scottfield dum dum researchers note

Mentions he worked w the wives after hunting them down

ok yeah it was both the swift and spitfire

[edgy aspen]

"The glory and riches of Rotjaw's perpetual banning are unparralleled." Well, I guess that further settles that debate.

[upbeat kiln]

Thank you @granite shard @real dove

[granite shard]

I'm here to be a walking encyclopedia 😂

he's also not rly there but there's a reference to the recruitment of kids he did in one of the event lore chapters

[real dove]

Yup yup. Looked over most everything not long ago for the timeline so pretty fresh on it lol

He's def a key part of the aha

[jovial gazelle]

I love the AHA interviews, especially the Reptilian's. Tries to stab his interviewer with a pen.

"I want to know what sort of person looks at me and thinks; this here be a friend'."

[real dove]

I KNOW. I wish they'd do more like that

gives the hunters character

like, I love how they are telling the stories now, but gimme lil bits like that too

[jovial gazelle]

I stand corrected, he tried to bite the interviewer, then ended the interview by stabbing them in the eye with a pen.

[real dove]

He watched the Batman movie

[jovial gazelle]

"Took an eel bath once. Y'know them Water Devil kind. Found a whole gaggle of 'em squriming in a bathtub near the mines. Ended up eating a few."
Man is savage.

[real dove]

Dude was killing gators and kissing the corpses and shit thinking that he was bringing Rj into the world so he's not exactly sane up there

[jovial gazelle]

Not sure sanity really factors into the bayou anymore.

It's probably why we don't have a sanity system.

But that would explain how the Scaled Ward exists... 😏

[real dove]

i mean, we have a Cain

so pretty sure sanity checked out years ago

[river socket]

Any man that looks as a group of water devils and thinks “thems good eatin’” isn’t well 😂

[real dove]

boil em, mash em, put em in a stew! and what is bathtub but a big stew pot, esp in those days when they were usually metal?

[granite shard]

the reptilian's interview is so funny I adore it

he's a bitey boy

[neat juniper]

I remember we had a conversation about foodability of water devils

Good old stuff

[jovial gazelle]

The Scaled Ward just watching the Reptilian wade out of the bayou waters, biting the head off of a Water Devil and chewing on it as he goes.

[real dove]

it's swamp gum

[jovial gazelle]

We all know the Reptilian straight up dived into the water, wrestled a croc and emerged with his new coat on. 😄

[real dove]

*gator but yeah, probably lol. would recc getting a cured hide over a raw one if you want to look like him

stinky man

[jovial gazelle]

When the bayou finally settles down, the Scaled Ward is probably just going to open a leatherwork shop for selling boots and handbags.

Really hope Scaled Ward comes back in future, never got him...

Do we know what happened to Avis Jr? Last we see in Scrapbeak's lore is that he's discussing with his atorney about how he's going to court for murders in the bayou that are Beaky's doing.

[real dove]

not that I know of

[jovial gazelle]

👀 ... I'll make him into a Legendary Hunter.

So, considering Chary's blown a hole in the veil and... It's implied something horrible and inivisble to humans is now walking the bayou in the Ash Bloom...

How are things going to get even worse in future?

[regal trout]

Iirc something's been coming out or trying to break out of kingsnake

[jovial gazelle]

I wouldn't mind if we slowly dipped further into Eldritch Horror territory.

[regal trout]

The big thing is The Sculptor has intelligent design. It wouldn't make anything that's random

[real dove]

Kingsnake has the portal

we know now. before it was the Widow

[granite shard]

I don't think the widow was ever trying to break out specifically

chary had experimented on her prior to SM and I think he just like

set her free to clean up his loose ends

[real dove]

We knew there was something in KSM that was making noises

is it not confirmed to have been her?

[granite shard]

when was this?

the main thing I can think of when it comes to shit in KSM is mary at the end of SM

up until the graven path opened up

[real dove]

bababa Serpent moon i think, need to go check. I remember them being in KSM

ah reading

lol

[granite shard]

yea I think it was just chary was using that as his base of operations for the time and had likely begun his experiments on her by then

and then took advantage of that to have her clean up the proto lunar pact

[real dove]

There was someone – something – in the mine. Deep. Trapped. Keening with grief and rage.

yeah, CHP 14

agreed on break out of KSM. there was some thing in there- Mary, and then maybe a small portal into the LOD that was blasted open later

I'm not up to date on the current event, and so not sure what all has happened in KSM post TOD end, outside of Graven path appearing and folks going down it

[granite shard]

it's never existed on the map prior to ToD so it's likely from sofia destroying the murmurstone

[rotund ferry]

I'm curious to know if Sofia used her Vetterli marksman to destroy it using the silver vials

Or if she just taped them to the end of her crossbow bolts since she owns a crossbow now too

[granite shard]

pretty sure it was the crossbow

yea -- "Sofia rose from the creek flotsam, dripping, her skull-face looming behind a crossbow."

[warm quartz]

It implies that this particular arrowhead took quite an amount of lives

[warm quartz]

So Hardin can issue a 1500$ bounty, but not get a man through winter?

[rare dirge]

Speaking of the interviews I think they should do some more with the pact people during events

I would LOVE to see a interview with the drowned kid or beekeeper lady or like anyone from the pacts

(Mostly the drowned kid but y’know)

Give us a little more insight into the event lore by giving us a better look into some of the characters

[granite shard]

it's such nice supplementary material I agree 90000%

it would be cool too for some of the pact aligned characters that aren't part of the story

like why's the hornback hanging out w the drowned?

[rare dirge]

True

Maybe not the beekeeper then maybe focus on the characters that are there but not the main focus

The captain the kid other demented pact other grounded pact etc

Because we do get more insight into the characters that speak

[warm quartz]

I figure Hardin started out as official sheriff of Louisiana

Then Marshal Brewer on the behest of AHA got him framed and he's gone rogue, still trying to help people of Lousiana

[zenith perch]

I don't know why, but I had a feeling Felis would be a primal pact

[real dove]

He's the sheriff of the parish /new orleans

[tired torrent]

Something that ive never understood, wth is the bounty?

[echo narwhal]

just got the last lore entry for the event. does anyone else feel like this story for this event just kinda ||culminated into nothing||?

[granite shard]

There’s not really a solid conclusion

It would benefit from an epilogue or something

[queen palm]

hey umm what the hell is this

I just found it on the edge of the map on accident

[upper haven]

I believe it's a reference the the 'Utah monolith' a metal pillar like the one in the game that someone placed for unknown reasons

[languid notch]

#game-questions message

[queen palm]

I figured it might have lore relevance

[lucid anvil]

Nah, it’s a reference.

[rotund ferry]

Utah Monolith, there's a few others around the country, for awhile there people thought aliens put them there but naturally someone came out and disproved it.

[tropic falcon]

It feels more like a set up, they show us some new things, some characters do some things and we might see what happens on the next trilogy

Yo guys! Are there more playable hunters that are like cultists to a boss other than the lil butcher and the birds? I was thinking about the fish lady that we got on the first tide since she was with rot jaw or something

Waja

[real dove]

Gar is linked to RJ/Princess but arguably Enola (if we get her as a hunter) is much more linked to Princess

[river socket]

Imagine Kill Buyer accidentally pulling Butterscotch from the land of the dead and it becomes a new wild bounty

[noble scarab]

Harold black is arguably tied to the assassin, but a better choice would be glanton, the guy from the Romero lore, however crytek mentioned some new connection to a new hunter in one of the new legendaries

[real dove]

Honestly, Butcher Cleaver should have been Young Roche

[rotund ferry]

If you say new one more time I'm gonna lose my mind

[rotund ferry]

Yeah I found it kind of weird that Butcher's Cleaver was this freshly implemented villain with barely any backstory only for them to do away with him in the next event story

[noble scarab]

I was half awake when I wrote that but also blame crytek

[real dove]

Yeah. Roche would have made SO much sense

tied to the butcher, tied to the slaughterhouse, dude is known for being crazy, etc... Cmon crytek it was RIGHT THERE

Perfect chance to bring old lore back into the spotlight

[echo narwhal]

id love to get glanton as a hunter tbh. he already has his own legendary weapon, an interesting backstory, and existing ties to harold black and the assassin as previously mentioned

[echo narwhal]

youre probably right but man that ending just wasnt satisfying imo

[echo narwhal]

the beast hunter is intertwined with the hellhounds as he seeks to tame them and use them to his own ends, and beekeeper seems to emulate the hives ||right up to the horrific death of their child|| but i think thats it outside of gar/lovebirds/cleaver

[warm quartz]

I think beekeeper is the child put in hive

She just reads the almanach her ancestor wrote

[granite shard]

She mentions her daughter in the last chapter

[rotund ferry]

Hope Beekeeper meets a similar fate as Cleaver

[granite shard]

I don’t think she made it out of the land of the dead

[high stone]

Getting the feeling that these recent event narratives are put together with ChapGPT or something similar….

[silver cargo]

So uh

who exactly is The Cowl ?

[echo narwhal]

i dont think so either which is weird cuz like, why set these new hunters up just to do away with them

[granite shard]

Tbh it’s fine, they’re introduced to serve a role in the narrative and that’s all they rly need to do. There’s so many characters as is that having them do their thing and get taken out isn’t too bad imo

[granite shard]

We don’t know exactly who he is yet, it doesn’t seem like he went w the demented to the land of the dead so he likely will come back

I think he set them up to be sacrificed, like what lynch did w the drowned

[echo narwhal]

need an event with an avowed pact, voodoo pact, and law pact tbh

throw a night of the hunter pact in there too

[echo narwhal]

that’s fair i suppose. i guess im burnt bc cleaver and beekeeper both had really cool designs

[rotund ferry]

New mysterious villain, the successor to Butcher's Cleaver

I'm hoping The Cowl is a more important edition to future events and not just another throw away character

[echo narwhal]

me too, he sounds like he could be an interesting character especially if he’s masterminding stuff ala chary or lynch

[granite shard]

I think he'll come up again

[warm quartz]

Could he be assassin's protege?

[high stone]

I think this is the scavenger hunt / player speculation / breadcrumb trail marketing technique they’ve been using for the events for the last few years, though….it’s not meant to reach a conclusion and risk alienating some of the fans, it’s meant to keep players engaged through ungrounded fan speculation, indefinitely

[tropic falcon]

Yeah pretty much, they give us the big strokes of world building and we are making our own concluccions on it

[tropic falcon]

Yeah but the drowned where spit back up no? At least thats what I got on my sleep deprived read of the event

[tropic falcon]

Got ya, thats enough hubters to lv up XD

[granite shard]

the drowned got out but I think they also were helped by the ghost of the delphine whereas the beekeeper seemed to relish in her fate of becoming bug food

I wish they'd do an epilogue or something so there'd be a clearer answer at the end lol

[high stone]

Yeah, it is pretty bonkers

Like a fever dream

What can you do?

[rotund ferry]

Heh... bug food

[rotund ferry]

I'm telling ya'll this will be a reality

Some grotesque and bloated insect abomination that we gotta look up and shoot at because it FLIES.

[granite shard]

Pls god no

The spider’s bad enough 😂😂

[rotund ferry]

I'm just imagining what monstrosities lurk in the land of the dead... 💀💀💀

[tropic falcon]

Yeah that was my thinking

Beekeeper was like becoming a new entity and at the end I thought while yes laffite attacks it and stuff theres still the chance they release a new boss thats the malformed new "GOD" that she tried to birth

Something like Silent hill

[rotund ferry]

All sorts of things are rushing through my mind, semi-aquatic eldritch horrors to oversized insects

[high stone]

You guys should read some H.P. Lovecraft stories, they’re great…

[high stone]

Whats this from?

[rotund ferry]

Resident evil

[warm quartz]

Ohhh no, not the overgrown bugs

Very scary

[rotund ferry]

Wildly acclaimed sequel to Hunt Showdown

[high stone]

There are lots of great American 20th century Southern Gothic authors too

Looks cool! Also a little like a star wars Blurrg

[high stone]

I always thought the huge collection of wasp nest material that’s growing orange nodules in Blanchett Graves and Healing Waters chapel was like a huge chrysalis…

Getting ready to become something, or hatch something

[tropic falcon]

Yup! H.P lovecraft is good but there are a lot of good authors as well, i've read a few of lovecrafts but i've never really felt compelled to read more

It mostly comes to people gifting new books to me XD

[green pollen]

Did the stalker beetle come into the world made from a normal insect or did it come with the corruption?

[tropic falcon]

We don't really know mate

We only know that they were found around rhe 19th century

Well at least the normal kind

Choke and fire beetles are a new thing found by a Harriet Fella

Oh and aparrently this scientist (Harriet) claims that he is trying to develop new variats

[high stone]

Have any good recommendations?

[noble scarab]

The Fisherman by John Langan is very good

[tropic falcon]

House of leaves is a really nice read

The hellbound heart is cool if you enjoy the cenobytes

Uzumaki is a manga but is cool

If you like, the magnus archives are amazing and on spotify

Not fully cosmic horror but its eldritch entities

[lethal edge]

Anyone ever notice this at Kingsnake Mine

[tropic falcon]

Yup thats the gate to the other side

[lethal edge]

Ive been playing for a hot minute and I’ve never seen it

[granite shard]

It’s new

It’s the graven path in the event lore

[high stone]

Interesting! House of Leaves is cool, Uzumaki sounds like a neat conceptual horror idea..

I think the main reason I keep connecting Lovecraft and Hunt is because when you see only the art in the game (without the lore) it really seems like the world is presented in a tone similar to the one used by Lovecraft’s narrators - it’s unstylized and very serious, and specific details of the weapons, tools and gear are (mostly) realistic, coming from a practical design perspective.

Lovecraft really pushed plausible details into the story to help anchor the reader - so that serious, sober tone magnifies the terror when it arrives - you expect that it has to be real.

He also often describes rules about how the monsters are brought into the world, what affects them, what they want, etc. (see Charles Dexter Ward).
Bram Stoker lays out some great rules with Dracula too, (and it’s era appropriate!) He and Lovecraft also narrate in matter-of-fact journal entries, and the feeling really matches the focus on scientific thought and industrialization in the Gilded Age.

It would be great if Hunt had a believable, cohesive idea of the relationship of the monsters to the (sculptor??), how they’re made, etc. There are so many questions, and none of the answers given seem to have any connection to one another.

[high stone]

(This is all coming from a place of love and respect for Hunt, I should add.)

[warm quartz]

Does anyone have uppercut with shoulderstock lore?

[warm quartz]

Elliot is a weird woman's name

[visual finch]

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-elliot-reid-moment-killer-gif-25302224

[warm quartz]

Shame about their marriage

Let's be realistic, can she really come back to him after witnessing the sex personified that is Monroe?

[granite shard]

I think it’s more likely that Elliot is a man tbh

[warm quartz]

How so?

[granite shard]

elliot has more commonly been a masculine name throughout history

[warm quartz]

Hunt has always been equal opportunity slaughterfest

Just because she's good at hunt doesn't mean she's a man

[earnest jungle]

Looks like we need a new custom ammo for the Caldwell to clarify the Gender of Elliot.

(Come on High Velocity)

[rotund ferry]

Gender?

Oh I see

[earnest jungle]

Also Schneider is a German/Yiddish name and Elliot derives from Elijah which is a boy’s name and Eliot was explicitly named Eliot in Scrubs because her father wanted a son.

[night cliff]

Well if they are married then Schneider could also be the last name of the husband which Elliot just took, right?

[rotund ferry]

I wonder if Rotjaw is the only voodoo Cthulu Boogaloo alligator out there or if she has brothers and sisters in the land of the dead.

[night cliff]

well since she originated from a living egg entering the land of the dead I highly doubt it.

Maybe something like Gator ghosts?

[rotund ferry]

I'm not so sure because there's probably more living eggs in there

Even Gar's visions when she was drowning mentioned of ancient alligator birthing pits

[night cliff]

I don't wanna sound rude but how would they end up there? Rotjaws egg was accidentally carried by a Human (forgot her name) when they got transported there and a storm that pulls you into the land of the dead doesn't seem to happen often.

[rotund ferry]

It's mostly me just speculating but my assumption is that those visions that Gar had while drowning, "when the snouts of gar fish kissed her" that is mentioned in her character description are of the land of the dead

My theory is that opportunity for life within the land of the dead isn't restricted to somebody bringing in an egg or plant into the dimension but rather it has it's own ecosystem and life

[night cliff]

okay that's fair I guess but I doubt it would be as recognisable, I would think of it more filled with insects and such.

[rotund ferry]

Yeah but aside from just insects we could also have reptiles, amphibians, mammals

Think about it, this "land of the dead" could be like the upside down fron Stranger things or like an entirely different realm as big as earth

With different biomes and ecosystems all together

The potential and possibilities for a entirely different world from our own are nearly limitless

[night cliff]

That takes it a bit far I think.
From all we know the land of the dead is a realm in which powerful entities exist
and besides the sculptor's creations we don't learn about anything else "living" there
I also think Hunt doesn't need a whole another world that's filled with stuff.
Having it desolate, hollow and unworldly makes it that much more frightening

[high stone]

Wow, attempting to connect all of this is confusing 😵‍💫

These all feel like floating story points on index cards, with no logical step from one to the next

[rotund ferry]

That's unfortunately the basis for hunt lore and storytelling right now

Because unless it got the amount of traction of something like game of thrones I don't really see it taking off from what we currently have

It honestly falls to the fans to make the world into something more than what it already is

[rotund ferry]

I'll definitely have to disagree on that last statement, I believe that having it be populated almost like a shadowed alternative to our own world would be a much cooler concept. Having it be populated with otherworldly horrors almost beyond our comprehension would overall make for a much better storytelling. You can't always expect grade A world building if the world in question is as you said desolate, hollow and unworldly, I've seen it done but it's extraordinarily difficult to properly pull off in both writing and visuals.

[patent sleet]

Pretty sure the Delphine logs from Tide of Shadows mentioned the Land of the Dead has a very large population of oversized and voracious insects. Passengers and crew were picked off often.

[rotund ferry]

I want to know what those insects look like

Crytek...

Listen...

[rotund ferry]

....

[rotund ferry]

....

C'mmmmmon crytek

[rare dirge]

Dave so silly already

The other bugs will be just as silly

[jovial gazelle]

Gotta be a VOIP Beetle in there somewhere, start plundering.

[rare dirge]

I think that would be so funny

Especially if it applied a filter over your voice

Make it more beetle like

[green pollen]

Honest to god, using the VOIP beetles to lower morality via slurs

Would be crazy funny

[rotund ferry]

I have a japanese friend that calls everyone "roundeyes" I can imagine him doing that

[warm quartz]

Does he not have round eyes himself?

[rotund ferry]

round eyes was a slur Japanese soldiers would use against Americans during ww2

but now adays we just treat it like a bit of funny banter

[jovial gazelle]

Helium Beetle Voice.
With each new beetle, the Sculptor cringes harder at our uses for them.

[patent sleet]

Chaos Beetle.

[warm quartz]

Give the beetle a revolver

See him franticly cock it with his little stick arms

[green pollen]

Give the beetle dynamite so you can clear an entire room just by fluttering inside a window in a compound

[rotund ferry]

The kamikaze strategy with the sticky bomb was the final straw

Now he's given up

[regal trout]

The best idea I heard was

Let us eat the beetle for health

Portable snack

Also the inspect animation better be us petting the beetles Crytek

Don't fuck it up

[patent sleet]

Revive Beetle, but it always leaves you with 1 hp.

And it's slow and loud.

[jovial gazelle]

Had this flair up on my Fitbit at work and I stared at it and thought; "Wow, I know I'm not a good player, but I'm getting hatemail on discord now?" 🤣

[rotund ferry]

Lmao

Getting hate mail is like a badge of honor

Any time I recieve it I feel validated and loved 😊

I bet Sculptor receives a lot of hate mail from all kinds of different deities

Meridia would definitely not be a fan of Sculptor that's for sure

You already know she's hitting him with that "ANOTHER TOUCHES THE BEACON!" 🗣️🗣️🗣️☀️☀️☀️

[rotund ferry]

So can anyone confirm or deny if Sgt. Bridgewater our favorite little Buffalo soldier is a deserter of the United States military?

[restive patrol]

Pretty sure it states outright on his steam page, "The injustice of war caused Sergeant Caleb Bridgewater to seek a different fight when word from home reached him of what was happening in the Bayou. Forced to desert, he’s proud now to fight the only war he believes in."

[hasty raven]

Why wouldn't Bridgewater believe in Union's cause

🤨

[rotund ferry]

He's not a civil war veteran

he was part of the numerous indian-american wars that were fought as a result of the expansion to the west

and regardless of the cause of war there's always injustices on every side

[rare dirge]

ok i just finished reading all the chapters

and i got 0 clue what just went on

||beekeeper sat on a throne and then the captain then got on the boat burst into flames that fueled the ship? then it like crashed into whatever the beekeeper was gonna be the "daughter" of or whatever then the drowned pact got spat back out back to life??||

wait

ok spoiler

just in case ig

[high stone]

Yeah, the American Civil War ended 30 years before Hunt - so this doesn’t refer to the Union, also what Danger Ranger said

[hasty raven]

oh ok

[rotund ferry]

I'm looking at chapter nine rn and seeing the bit about the statues

"The first was a man making a fire. Then a herd of white bison, followed by a one-legged woman nailed to a cypress tree."

would the one legged woman nailed to tree be a reference to this concept art made by an intern some years back? I might be reaching since I always liked this art but it'd be nice to see her even just referenced

not exactly a tree but it is nailed up wood

[night cliff]

I believe the one-legged woman is the one William Salters tortured and killed in his madness.

"When finally I severed the leg and cauterized the wound" Journal of William Salter 8/10

"I put her corpse outside before it stiffened, strung it up against the cypress tree." Journal of William Salter 10/10

[rotund ferry]

yeah that'd be it

[real dove]

Yeah, the woman nailed to the tree is absolutely a ref to Mary, who william salter killed and thus was killed by the Twins

Be neat to see another "Phantom" character come out with prosthetics like that concept

[upbeat kiln]

I'm pretty sure Mary was an old woman iirc

@noble scarab ?

[neat juniper]

didn't she also have a little lamb

[noble scarab]

It’s implied she was older, yes

[real dove]

"An older woman, not suitable to fight, but I found another use for her"

[night cliff]

Yeah I remember
Didn’t think the age would matter in this context since the part in the event story doesn’t mention it

[real dove]

I kinda wondered if the statues are evidence some of the stories were true vs some being fluffed (looking at you, BATS)