#lore-discussion

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earnest jungle
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What’s more the two had audio logs and sounded nothing alike

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It’s possible that when they were in the process of creating Chary they originally planned for Timothy Stone - aka the Skinflint - was going to fulfill the role Chary does narratively.

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But I think a more likely explanation is that they came up with the idea of contracts first and then created the character of Chary after.

white pasture
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He's. He just should be

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He isn't just should be...

earnest jungle
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Which is why Timothy Stone starts out selling the contracts and then Chary started selling them and then they dropped the idea outright when they created challenges.

rotund ferry
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I assume this is what Chary probably looks like

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He's definitely older so probably gray hair and more wrinkles

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but he feels like the kind of guy to be well dressed all the time for any occasion

noble scarab
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I could see Chary being younger

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maybe in his 30s or late 20s

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he carries a cane because of his cloud related leg injury

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which, where tf did that thing come from

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finch mentions it off hand ONCE and now chary walks with a limp and is afraid of fog maps

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previously Gar and then the wolfpack had beaten him to within an inch of his life, but hes fine from that, no regrets, grudges, etc

white pasture
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He is described excacty what Skinflint looks like...

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@earnest jungle I think Chary was made up on the moment and tossed into a story that makes no sense.

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But he's obviously the skinflint and very poor attempt at Lynch.

rotund ferry
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chary reveal next event? Prayer

white pasture
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So hoping its not Lynch in a new body....

granite shard
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The death pact shoots up chary’s ritual in the last chapter and presumably kills the hunters there

real dove
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Injury could be before he got all his powers, and thus he couldnt heal it the same way he seems to heal from other stuff

granite shard
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yeah, he's had a cane since traitor's moon

real dove
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Just above this Smalls has that exact thing in the channel. Not pinned, but there is a table showing the status of folks RN (minus the Captain)

pallid shale
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How did Billy die?

granite shard
# pallid shale How did Billy die?

in the scottfield precision lore, lulu recounts a group of men being led by billy attempting to assault her. sofia slits billy's throat before anything can happen to lulu. Putting him in the "implied to be dead" category mostly because it's not fully confirmed that it's billy story who died, but for now it's pretty safe to assume that it was him

white pasture
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Any other Billy's named in the game?

minor valley
red spear
neat juniper
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Dbd collab when

hasty raven
flat elk
granite shard
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pensive_cowboy but I want the huntress in the bayou

red spear
granite shard
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kevin going from one unending hell to another

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he's only barely saved from the hell of the fog by virtue of the fact that he's not yet 21

red spear
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truth

granite shard
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thinking of any of the hunters having to repair a generator is funny to me

green pollen
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does anyone know how big the corruption zone is? what famous ctiys are and arn't affected?

amber harbor
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The world at large is still intact, for the most part

green pollen
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Yeah, but how big of a range in Louisiana

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I think they said new Orleans is okay but besides from that idk

noble scarab
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New Orleans is evidently dealing with it as well, but it’s controlled or contained or just very minimal

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The pistol for the scrapbeak event mentions it

green pollen
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So like, only a little bit of New Orleans is affected?

tender aspen
rotund ferry
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Hey question Scrapbeak was a soldier and was turned into Scrapbeak by the plague doctor or no?

night cliff
rotund ferry
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Like same injuries

night cliff
rotund ferry
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Ah

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So not both at the same

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The assassin just creepy

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Like can be a human but it’s not

night cliff
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yeah and the bugs only add to that

rotund ferry
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Was it a man once

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It could talk and everything which was scary because the lore the bugs went into someone mouth

night cliff
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I don't think we know if it was ever human.
I think it's mentioned that it is the oldest one, being around even before the outbreak happened, but we don't get much background information on him like we get with the other bosses.

noble scarab
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His name is Vincent, he was the researcher’s friend before the outbreak. He was seemingly human at that time but had the abilities of the assassin

rotund ferry
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Very tall

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What’s scary the assassin was kinda enjoyed being a friend to the researcher

night cliff
rotund ferry
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But the assassin it’s one of the smarter one of the monsters we hunt right?

noble scarab
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We don’t know when he fully fell under the sculptor’s control, but he could’ve been from the start

rotund ferry
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Like the spider and the butcher

noble scarab
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They’re all kinda mindless outside of following what the sculptor wants

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Just specialized for different things

night cliff
noble scarab
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Feels like it will usually target the lowest hp person too

rotund ferry
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Do you the assassin will talk in game or scrap beak to mock the hunters

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I know the assassin can talk but why not in it’s true form

night cliff
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Scrapbeak already has its extremely loud screams and the assassin doesn't really need it.
I don't think it would add much to them especially since they are well established.

noble scarab
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They both kinda make laughing sounds at you sometimes

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I think the butcher and rotjaw are the only bosses we ever actually see successfully banished in lore

rotund ferry
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What rotjaw

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I thought it was a normal crocodile

noble scarab
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The gator that shoots lighting at you

rotund ferry
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I know but rotjaw is controlled by what it’s name

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Did not know that

noble scarab
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It’s a gator hatched from the souls of all the gators killed in the bayou, all infused into a egg that was brought into the land of the dead

rotund ferry
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What?

noble scarab
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I guess it’s technically controlled by the sculptor now, but it seems that it doesn’t manifest as often

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It’s from the tide of shadows event

rotund ferry
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I know

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Just don’t know much about bosses

noble scarab
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Go check out HazmatFTW on YouTube and his lore sections

night cliff
rotund ferry
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What’s the hardest one to banish

noble scarab
rotund ferry
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In lore wise

noble scarab
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Maybe scrapbeak, he’s usually referred to as “death” because he’s killed so many

rotund ferry
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Really

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Is Scrapbeak human

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Or was

noble scarab
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Was

rotund ferry
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How many Scrapbeak killed

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I thought the assassin did more damage than him

night cliff
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there isn't really much information on the past activities of the bosses
all of them probably killed a lot of hunters but besides the entries in the book of monsters we don't know much else about them

livid crypt
night cliff
noble scarab
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The butcher was always a meathead, and the spider is a bunch of different people kinda melded together

night cliff
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Yes the Butcher is based on a meathead, but don't forget where meatheads come from.
The origin is still human based.

visual finch
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I wish i could forget where they come from 1HuntLUL

night cliff
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oh yeah same

rare remnant
livid crypt
simple sandal
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But what if it were all crabs

hasty raven
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In case nobody noticed yet, these are the confirmed Infernal-aligned Hunters during ToC according to the Steam bundle

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even though, uhhh, the Rat's soul was obliterated

noble scarab
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Reaper is explicitly death pact

untold blaze
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Same with Lloronas Heir

granite shard
hasty raven
hasty raven
granite shard
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I’m 95% certain they just used the same bundle they did for devil’s moon for this 😂

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Smh literally unplayable

rotund ferry
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I'm 99% that this bundle isn't actually the canonical list of Infernal pact hunters

rotund ferry
night cliff
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Trust me on this one you don't want to know.

rotund ferry
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Ok

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I thought they were just body’s full of leeches

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And stuff

hasty raven
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Nope

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Much worse

visual finch
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As the Corruption fades, only emptiness remains

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From Hunt Twitter

granite shard
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I’m hoping that’s Enola

rotund ferry
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Who?

rotund ferry
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Or like make me sick bad

hasty raven
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Might make you sick if you're squeamish about pregnancy

rotund ferry
night cliff
rotund ferry
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I’m confused

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Idk much of the more

granite shard
night cliff
granite shard
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I don’t think she’s ever described as a little girl— we just know that she raised small animals and stuff

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Like maybe a teenager like Kevin at the youngest

night cliff
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I checked and the Navigator in his story chapters, last event, describes her as a "young girl" so late teen would fit.

noble scarab
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Tide of Desolation 👀

cloud arch
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Shadow, corruption, something world ending?

amber harbor
visual finch
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The hat is somewhat different, but the hair and the bullets remind of her

noble scarab
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we could hope that maybe lynch decided to dye her hair to be darker?

cloud arch
# visual finch As the Corruption fades, only emptiness remains

Going to be another Witch or Seer character. Maybe be the partner character to the Salem DLC?

I’ve noticed slowly all the hunters are having pairing character releasing. We had Reptilian then his gator followers or enemy.

Shadow event you had the drowned boat guy, now you have the captain, the deckhand - 3 characters.

Revenant, smuggler, gunrunner all are the same theme.

The wolf clan with lonely howl, the ronin and one of the Asian character DLCs

The new bird couple, the pig man event skin -3 but I’m willing to bet we get a spider and assassakn cult or something. Etc etc etc.

Every character has a pairing of 3 and those that don’t will eventually get one. The researcher, archeologist and now we need another scholar character. Y’all get the point.

real dove
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Another scholar would be near... esp if the have him/her/them in charge of a new lore book same as Harold was the researcher...

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Historian figure? :/

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I also both hope and don't hope the new chick they hinted is Enola... I still think Enola got fused with Gar after Gar drowned, and Lynch bargined with Enola to get her back to her Princess but needed a Host, and offered Gar the opp to be not drowned...

night cliff
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The only problem here would be the timeline.
Enola gets approached by Lynch after Rotjaw is transported out of the land of the dead just before the events of Tides of Shadow start, which takes place in 1895.
Gar nearly drowned in 1893.

real dove
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I'm wondering if gar did drown... but was in the LOD during that time. But fair point. I just always thought that the way Gar was written sounded like a corrupted version of Enola. But regardless, I'd love to see her in the game, as she was such a key element to Princess and the ToS storyline

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There was something in her details that mentioned her being brought back or such that made it out (IMO!) that she didn't survive

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*for gar

night cliff
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The description of her skin says: "Reborn, Gar carries the will of those many teeth onto land."
So something deeper definitely drove her to pursue Princess.

real dove
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Yep. Maybe they had intended her to fuse with Enola? Theres a lot of her story in TOS that sounded so much like Enola it was driving me nuts. But as you said, time doesnt line up, and the only think i can think could explain in is that time in the LOD is messed up and Gar was just bobbing about until Lynch found her. But dunno. Shall see if the last event clears it up any

night cliff
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Something of note is also that in Gar's story chapters she often talks about "We" when talking about Rotjaw.
Yet Gar does not appear to have any Hunters as allies.

real dove
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but dang if that woman doesn't look like she drowned, and there's so many similarities it hurts when reading the two of their stuff. But shall see. :/

night cliff
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Yeah she does.
I don't really remember if an event was ever teased like this before too. So showing us a key upcoming part as a tease would fit since the upcoming Tides event is the final one so it would make sense to bring all parts together for a conclusion.
But then again Devil's Moon ended with a song that vaguely suggested an end to something?

vapid ferry
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real dove
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Dunno. I've not been keeping up with the current lore as much as I have in the past, have other things taking up a good chunk of my focus. I just felt it was a missed opp to not have Gar and Enola merge. But will see. Def curious who the new chick is... as well as the bone guy they talked about in that like lore bit they dropped on the website between the 3 pacts.

granite shard
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I personally doubt he’ll come back

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The three hunters there just seemed to exist to summarize the themes of the three pacts

real dove
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eh, I still think Chary was there but I think you are right on the other two

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To be seen i guess

noble scarab
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Someone mentioned it further up in the thread but the Glanton guy from the Romero lore would make an awesome assassin based hunter

real dove
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Shame Reed was fused with the Spider, be cool to see him appear as the spider hunter

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Tho i guess technically Harold Black is kinda the Assassin hunter, since they were BFFs

short patio
night cliff
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Maybe.
Could be that there are other hunters that are aligned with her or maybe whatever she came in contact with while she nearly drowned made her part of it, like a collective? Or it became part of her?
Which would maybe just be the same as split personality?

Damn this is driving me crazy now.
I really hope we get more information on her.

real dove
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lol sorry!

granite shard
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I think the “we” refers to the primal pact

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The we stuff seemed to mostly be in her proseuchomai, so it’s sort of the like “ok this is the primal’s prayer”

night cliff
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oh right
yeah seems like that's the most likely one

Do we know of any primal pact members that are aligned with her?

real dove
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I learned a new word today lol! I really hope she makes an appearance in the next event

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Or it's cleared up what happened to her at the least

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She was kinda her own unit, if i recall

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the other primals, reptilian and gang, were the group. She was using them to find Princess/RJ

granite shard
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I think they were like. Temporary allies until she went rogue

night cliff
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That's what I remember as well, even in the final showdown she seemed to be alone while fighting the Gator gang

granite shard
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allies of convenience but in the end their goals diverged and she said fuck yall I'm riding the gator

real dove
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Wasn't she following them tho? Vs actually working with? Remember her tracking them, well, the Ward or whomever, since Reptilian was actually sneaky

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idk. Need to read back lol

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Fuck you I'm riding the Gator is a vibe I can get with lol

granite shard
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I think them all being tied to the primal pact means that to an extent there was a shared goal they were working towards at some point

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they were deffo the loosest of pacts in tos

night cliff
granite shard
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(granted, there was also the grounded pact where none of the grounded aligned hunters showed up in the lore aside from cardinal rain lmfao)

real dove
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Ah, gotcha. I took it more as she was kinda doing her own think (gator riding) while Reptilian was falling in love with our star loving gator gal

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The next event... Figuring they want a winter one, so odd are we're gonna get news about it in short order, no?

night cliff
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I would guess we get a date or an announcement friday maybe over the weekend.
First teaser for Corruption released 2 days after the last event was over

real dove
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the post about the new chick was before this one was even done, going off that thinking we'll get one asap. I appreciated this event feeling wayyyy less grindy than the moons or even the last, but also going to be a LOT to have back to back stuff lol

granite shard
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I think it's gonna be dec 13th for the event release

night cliff
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Hm that would be less than half of the time between Shadows end and start of Corruption
But you're probably right, waiting would put the event after Christmas and I don't think they would squeeze a tiny winter event in between.

granite shard
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yeah, they said that the final tides event is going to be winter 2023

night cliff
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oh they did? must have missed that

granite shard
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I think it was in one of the roadmap videos

night cliff
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yep you're right
"second and third...across fall and winter of 2023."

noble scarab
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Devils moon was pretty well a Christmas and new years event last year

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I mean especially if they are moving the year up a bit

night cliff
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Yeah I remember
And it makes sense, I was just surprised that it would happen so soon after Corruption is over

red spear
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Winter could also mean January and, this may be a stretch, with Crytek being based in Germany they may follow suit in taking most of the month of December off to let employees have time with family and go on holiday. Plus being so soon after Corruption they may not want players feeling too burned out

ocean linden
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I bet new event will be within 2-3 weeks

rare dirge
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Plans could change but if they were gonna push back the release of the new event to 2024 they would say something

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But for now it’s planned to be December some time and probably around the first half of December to leave time for big bug fixes before their December end of the year break

granite shard
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yeah I think dec 13th is a safe bet for the release date

rare dirge
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Probably

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Leaves a week or 2 to fix big bugs then time for them to relax then after the break hard work on the engine upgrade and the new map

granite shard
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yeah

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the 20th I feel is the latest they'd release if they're going for a winter 2023 release

rare dirge
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13th would be perfect because I would be on my way back from a trip then

granite shard
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Ooh the weapons are going into regular progression tomorrow which means that should include the book of weapons stuff for them

rare dirge
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Right this is lore discussion that’s the things people here like

granite shard
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😂

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event timing is the most important lore

night cliff
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right 😅
Well we'll get 6 new masteries to unlock tomorrow

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No wait the basic weapon gets 2 masteries, it's the variants that get only 1 right?

vernal stag
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Lore dump likely coming tomorrow as the new weapons and ammos will probably be added to the book of weapons right as the event ends.

red garden
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So when and how did monsters come to infest the bayou anyhow?

From what I've read someone was investigating something and eventually came under thrall of the Sculptor but I have only fragments of the story so far.

proven gazelle
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Is there any full transcript of the event story to read online? Was enjoying this one but didn't get to read the end.

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There's an audiobook edit on Youtube but I'd rather just read it myself.

night cliff
night cliff
red garden
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Ahhh

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Is there a particular reason the Sculptor targeted a patch of rural Wheezy-anna?

night cliff
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There are a few bits that suggest that maybe wickedness and cruelty committed by humans in the area contributed to it OR were a result of the corruption already being present.
But in the end I think only the Sculptor truly knows

red garden
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Ah

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Interesting, thank you

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Also I grew up in the Southeastern US so I absolutely adore Hunt's Southern Gothic styling

rotund ferry
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honestly with how things have been

red garden
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Rings all the familiar bells about local myths and legend but still feels like its own crazy unique thing

rotund ferry
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feels like the sculptor has that "cause i can" mentality

red garden
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Pft

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"I do a bit of trolling"

rotund ferry
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and then you have chary over here pretending to be a good guy sort of

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when you know damn well brother sees the sculptor as a threat and wants to be the all powerful one

red garden
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Did that shrine maiden character seriously travel across half the planet just to murderize swamp demons?

rotund ferry
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there's a few like that

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there's that one guy i always forget the name of

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one with the robes and ponytail, he came just to prove himself worthy as an heir or something

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some come for riches, some for the reputation, some for the thrill

granite stump
rotund ferry
real dove
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Some are just crazy lol

night cliff
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Baseball Bat Mastery 1/2

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neat juniper
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I like how the first documented mastery of new weapons is of a bat

night cliff
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I'm lazy and it's by far the easiest 😅

real dove
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Do we have a Gareth Sherringham?

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Love the description

night cliff
# real dove Do we have a Gareth Sherringham?

The only thing I could find is a post by the Hunt Twitter account where the Bat was promoted:

Made infamous by the Diamond Killer, Gareth Sherringham, these custom-made bludgeons are a keen implement to deliver the killing blow to any would-be assailant.

real dove
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Ah, clever, like baseball diamond.

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Guessing he's not the umpire's bane

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since that dude is def not a round ball of a man

night cliff
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Baseball Bat Mastery 2/2

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real dove
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Nice! So Gareth is the reason Hardin became sheriff. very cool.

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Wonder if we'll see this guy as a hunter or if he's gonna be presumed dead

night cliff
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I don't think he made it out alive.
He himself states that with Hardin after him he won't survive the year

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If I'm not mistaken sheriff's needed to be elected back then.
So maybe tracking down Gareth brought Hardin enough fame that he got the post soon after.

night cliff
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Springfield 1866 Bayonet Mastery

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granite shard
granite shard
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(like, it was always pretty obvious since there's not any other billys in the game, but still lol)

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seems like that's the same guy from the earlier springfield lore as well https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Springfield_1866

Hunt: Showdown Wiki
Springfield 1866

A breech-loading rifle with a .50-70 caliber centerfire cartridge, the Springfield 1866 is best known for its quick rate of fire. A shorter, scoped version of the classic breech-loading rifle with...

real dove
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Doing the lord's work @night cliff

night cliff
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Thanks 😅
bornheim is next
Don't think I'm gonna get the other ones soon tho

real dove
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Glad to see they are making references to older stuff in the new lore dumps. Agreed, always thought it was Billy Story but we now have what I'd say is much more solid proof

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We have a bunch of new ammos, right? penny shot derry, uppercut pres, bornheim

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luv the silenced born. Hated that gun but now it's such a snack to use

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am at work so canno assist but enjoying the fruits of your labor

night cliff
granite shard
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did the HV springfield stuff have anything interesting?

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usually the ammo stuff includes insight on the lore piece of the main weapon

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tho sometimes they just repeat the same stuff

real dove
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they all should

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more lore

night cliff
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Medkit mastery HUL

real dove
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only unlock by killing with medkit

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makes me sad some of those tools punch as the melee... like I wanna bap folks with the medkit. bonus if it makes a squeaky sound.

night cliff
real dove
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nagant yes

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idk about scotts

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prolly

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centy got it too

granite shard
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HV Springfield I think

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I think another gun got poison too

real dove
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do consumables have lore? it';s just weapons right? and ammo

granite shard
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95% sure it’s just weapons and ammo yea

limpid bobcat
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the only ones I see are from 2021

real dove
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Pretty sure most stuff is on the Wiki

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Folks stopped google docing them once that got kicked off, tho it's limited on the update itself (missing TOC event info)

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New weapons: Berth marksman, spring bayo, cyclone, bat, born sil, uppercut pres / pres deadeye

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unsure of ammo outside of dumdum to nagant and cenny

night cliff
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HV for Springfield and dumdum for Scottfields

real dove
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Scott got hv and dum, spring for HV, cenny got dum, nagant/officer got dum

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found a list

night cliff
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Bornheim Silencer Mastery

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real dove
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wait... P jones as in Philip Huff Jones, the AHA leader?

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wasn't he dead long before 1895...?

noble scarab
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He died in July or June

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I mean maybe August

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I don’t think we know an official date aside from “late summer”

real dove
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but... he's gone before the moon stuff, right? which was before this

noble scarab
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He died before traitors moon

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Cause that’s when chary took over

real dove
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Yeah, which was before SP/DM/TOS/TOC

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which happened in 1984, no? I am so confused by these timelines

noble scarab
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Everything happened in the summer of 1895

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1894 saw the start of the corruption

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Time is fucked is all I got

night cliff
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Maybe his son?

real dove
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I have no clue. Rotjaw mastery has her dated to july 95. Didnt see any dates in the DM or SM story, probably in the weapon masteries for those. but still I thought dude was long dead

night cliff
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The one other entry I found were Huff is the author he signs with his full name plus Dr.

real dove
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Could be? but why not have the JR there

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Or he went undercover over being dead but that's lame and I hope not the case

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Actually, the son makes sense

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Sparks Sniper has him in it, and he's signed as P.

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So maybe he's going to start up a new AHA chapter or such in the next event?

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Dude also has the same kinda violent talk in that letter to daddy dearest about Cauldwell, so that's exactly prolly who P Jones is here

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(shoutout to Smalls for making that doc to make it hella easier to find stuff about people)

granite shard
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weird to see him just P Jones without huff in there anywhere

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I need to update that doc lol

real dove
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May be trying to get away from the real world folks a bit?

granite shard
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well if it's not huff himself and is the son, it would make sense to not include huff anywhere

real dove
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True. Makes me think he's gonna be showing up sometime. Dude seems a lil off his rocker in regards with gunsmiths

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He'd have a bone to pick with chary and lynch...

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Chary for being the reason the AHA fell apart, Lynch for killing good ole dad

granite shard
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I think it's stated lynch wasn't the one to do it herself

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but yeah she was the one to have huff be killed

real dove
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chuh. curious to find out if chary escapes, because I do really hope we see a pact trio of him, lynch, and jones jr

night cliff
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Like having Jones jr try to rebuild the AHA?

real dove
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yeah

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or, at the very least, trying to kill both other parties

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gather up a team of hunters who are tired of everyone else causing drama. tho would say Death pact was kinda akin to that

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Be interesting if we get a future death pact trait that would allow you to put a "stun" on downed hunters, so they'd have to wait 30seconds or something to rez

granite shard
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I’d like to see that just as a consumable tbh

real dove
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but I'd love to see that combo. Angry son, eldritch white haired lady, man who can't seem to get dirty in the swamp

real dove
granite shard
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I think for me, a consumable would let it be a regular part of the game and provide counter play to one of the more frustrating aspects (babysitting corpses) without having to wait around a corpse campfire. A burn trait would make it too niche, esp if it’s an event burn trait that doesn’t stick around

real dove
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true. Shall see how they handle it. I really didnt mind solos when not under an event, was just extra annoying these few months

earnest jungle
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I don’t think the P. Jones is who I think it is I am going to lose it

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Huff died in end of June/start of July.

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The letters of Russel Chambers don’t precisely state when he died

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But he does state that Huff was dead well before the end of Summer in August/September because he and Huff have been laying low for a few weeks because of everything going on with Huff, Finch, and presumably Chary.

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All of that said I can see four possible explanations for who P Jones is:

  1. Huff is dead and someone is impersonating him. Anyone can sign a letter P Jones doesn’t mean he’s actually him.

  2. Huff faked his death. Lynch’s assassination attempt either failed or he was resurrected and is operating in the shadows as his own secret faction.

  3. The timeline is fucked. The Writers aren’t talking to one another nor keeping their own lore internally consistent and so Huff is now alive as late as August of 1895.

  4. P Jones is not Philip Huff Jones it’s his son Philip Harold Jones. Now in real life Harold was born in 1896 the year after his father died, but in real life Huff died in 1946. This is ultimately a work of fiction and the writers are just taking a creative liberty with Harold’s age.

granite shard
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p jones is probably his son yeah

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he sent huff a letter before huff died talking about his dealings w caldwell and the tone matches pretty well

earnest jungle
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1 and 4 are the options I’m leaning towards because despite the mounting evidence the writers aren’t keeping a consistent timeline I want to believe they are doing things on purpose.

granite shard
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huff is pretty much always referred to as phillip huff jones so I think the language change to P. Jones should show it's a different person

earnest jungle
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Hmm I had assumed the father in that letter was John Welch Jones, in part because there’s very scant information on Philip Harold Jones. Compared to his grandfather and older Brother.

granite shard
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shrug emoji there, it's all fairly vague

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but I think the naming convention is going to be what separates things-- phillip sr tends to be referred to as phillip huff jones, huff, or dr huff jones so I can see them having his son be just P Jones

earnest jungle
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I wonder if this was something planned from the start or if it was an idea they came up with later and decided to run with.

granite shard
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I don't mind if it's a later idea tbh, it would be a cool way to tie in current lore stuff w older lore

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I think that's really the issue that a lot of people have is the disconnect, so even if it's a form of a retcon (in terms of intent-- there's a vagueness to the P. Jones that the writers might have seen an opportunity with) I don't mind it if it's meant to start bridging that gap

earnest jungle
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I don’t mind it either way it’s just the ways stories develop in real time is always something that fascinated me.

granite shard
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yeah I think it's one of the more interesting things w these sorts of live story development projects

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I think that billy lore bit in the bayonet might be one of my favorite (non lulu & sofia, those are always on top) book of weapons bits we've gotten so far bc it's just so funny to me

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like so much of both billy's personality and how the community around him (and he himself) views him was shown in so few words in the funniest way

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the guy writing the entry calling him a buffoon, billy describing himself as a gentleman/lover/warrior right before propositioning someone for sex and getting turned down, and then getting elbowed later lmfao

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peak

earnest jungle
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On a side note the tone and attitude of P Huff matches the angry letter he sends to Winfield because he told Huff to shove his offer to purchase weapons from his company up his own ass.

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I assume because Winfield holds a grudge against the AHA for the death of his adopted sons at the hands of the Hunter Felis.

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The impression I get from Huff is that he is prone to angry and violent outbursts.

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I’m also beginning to question my initial theory that the -P was Phillip Harold Jones as when taken in the full context the letters are clearly between Huff, Welch, and Victor Caldwell. Having alienated Winfield, Welch puts Huff in contact with Victor Caldwell. And we know it’s Huff because Victor addresses his letters to Huff.

noble scarab
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For a “secret” organization they sure do threaten and harass a lot of people they could surely tell someone about them

earnest jungle
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That’s part of the reason this entire shit show happened. Huff was a belligerent blow hard who routinely alienated critically important allies.

noble scarab
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I mean huff and his experiments may have caused the whole problem tbh

earnest jungle
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Probably

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L

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Okay that was a typo but I’m not changing it

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I just realized something… the Bornhein Match mentions that earlier that same year Charles-Étienne Arthur Gayarré was allegedly assassinated with a similar gun…

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I really hope they’re not implying Bornheim had Huff killed in August of 1895 because of a threatening letter.

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I would honestly find that pretty funny but huff being killed on August of 1895 when Tide of Corruption also takes place in August, and Tide of Shadows in July and the Moon Trilogy before all of that but after Huff’s death might just cause my head to explode.

rotund ferry
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What can you guys tell me about my favorite hunter the skinflint

earnest jungle
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He buys the names and identities of dead hunters and sells them on to new hunters to allow them to move unnoticed

rotund ferry
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Slow to his gun but quick to his wallet

earnest jungle
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Quick to both

rotund ferry
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I’m Jewish so when I read his bio in game I had to buy him lol

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Made me chuckle

earnest jungle
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He also worked with Chary and the Infernal Pact during the Devil’s moon as I think an accountant

rotund ferry
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Where do you get this lore from?

earnest jungle
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Devil’s Moon Story

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It’s on the wiki

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You can find other lore on the Hunt Showdown Website: The Accounts of Timothy Stone I think is the name of his story

rotund ferry
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I never read the event stuff fml

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I thought maybe hunt had like a book or comic series

earnest jungle
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Nope

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All of the lore comes in the form of trailers, entires in the book of weapons/monsters, social media posts, and the event story lines

rotund ferry
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Interesting. I guess i should pay more attention during the events.. I’ll check it out thanks

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He should get 1000 hunt dollars every cash register though

night cliff
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Uppercut Precision Mastary

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(Last one from me today, this was an annoying one)

Interesting to hear something about Monroe and working with a seemingly sane person too.
Also I'm guessing he's talking about Salter?
Don't think the other William's we know would be connected to him.

noble scarab
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wonder if that relates to the grunts just being copies? otherwise the twins already killed Salter i think

noble scarab
night cliff
noble scarab
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salter was at the asylum with him

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at least for a time

night cliff
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yeah I remember
but it shouldn't be Salter walking around undead

I'll try to get the second part of this from the deadeye mastery tomorrow

noble scarab
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thats the thing, salter was supposedly killed (wouldnt be the first kind of recon like that tho) but also we know that the sculptor sometimes just copies and pastes grunts too, which means that there are copies of salter and other early infected running around

earnest jungle
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The letter is undated and so could be from before Salter’s death, but given Elliot describes Salter as a monster I suspect it is after his death and after the Sculptor revived Salter as some kind of monsters. The dead do not stat dead in the bayou long.

granite shard
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I feel like it’s early on since it seems to be before Monroe went nuts

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Like he’s starting to lose his mind but isn’t there yet

polar fable
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If Monroe has his Romero and the glass knife it means that this letter was written after he had broken out of the asylum so he’s pretty nuts I’d say

granite shard
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Oh shit you’re right

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Wonder why he seems like he’s on the edge of breaking there then instead of being well past that point

cunning pollen
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Dude Monroe just looks like that

neat juniper
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Classic monroe

humble ridge
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rare dirge
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very funny

earnest jungle
# humble ridge Vetterli 71 Karabiner Cyclone Mastery Lore Page

Took be a couple minutes to parse what language was being used here until I realized it was french spelled phonetically by a non-native speaker.

What the girl actually said appears to be “et maintenant ma petite soeur est sans mere, per, ou frer” or in English: “and now my little sister is without a mother, father, or brother”

night cliff
real dove
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I'm thinking he found a grunt stuck to the wall via the bayonet

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the babe is in the cot

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and the cord leads to the mother... so sounds to me that she's the one that's been impaled

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Black finds house, hears thumpin, goes in, finds dead bab, the bodies of 2 people, and the mother, who has been impaled and is stuck in the wall. lil confusing but pretty sure that's what he's saying.

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haven't looked at the other berth stuff to see what else he's talking about

granite shard
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lulu and sofia crumbs yeeeeeeeeeeaa

night cliff
real dove
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npnp :3

granite shard
noble scarab
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That’s the hunter that got a non-hunter pregnant somehow, then she started wanting to eat hellhounds

granite shard
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the baby also ate the hellhounds

night cliff
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guess now we know how that story ended

mint wind
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The meathead ?

night cliff
mint wind
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Haven't read that story yet, but atm it sounds like that woman hungry for hellhounds isn't too far from that one who gave birth to a meathead.

granite shard
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Baby wasn’t a meathead but she was impacted by the corruption yeah

raw gust
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I would try hellhound tbh

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Bet they taste like sulfur though

granite shard
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according to the guy they're just filled w maggots

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so I don't think I'd recommend it 😂

real dove
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A consideration... does Finch also use a cane? In TOS 10 we have chary saying finch brought RJ/the talkrock back, and yet the delphine crew meet a man with a cane in the LOD who tells them how to bring themselves home...

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Or am i just really reading this wrong?

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only caneboy I know of is Chary

earnest jungle
real dove
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yeah, i was guessing that

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he is kinda questioned under duress in that chapter

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since Cardinal Rain keeps making him bleed

night cliff
real dove
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makes sense, was just kinda over thinking it

night cliff
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I remember being confused as well and only when rereading the ToS chapter I noticed the cane being mentioned on the ship and then later with Chary

real dove
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I have made a thing

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It is not finished, but for clarity, that's all the actual date dates i could find in TOS/Moons/masteries

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theres more dates out there, I know

earnest jungle
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Imm left wondering a few things:

• The Nutrients in the Hell Hound: what are they? Is it the dead rotting meat or the corruption they cary

• After the birth the mother and child grew emaciated, why? Did Owenthal stop providing them with dog meat? Or did the corrupted dog meat lose its potency?

• Anna blamed Owen. The question is why? Was she simply venting her frustrations at him, or was he somehow to blame for their poor health?

• When Anna returned she and the baby were plump and healthy again saying that a kind stranger helped them. This stranger was emaciated and frail and later tried to kill all three of them.

• What exactly happened to Jed, Anna, and the Baby. There was obviously a fight but between whom? There are two desiccated corpses is Jed one of them?

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I have some theories: because Jed has the blood of demons in him as a result of the inoculation the unborn fetus was quickly corrupted and so too was Anna. They began to crave the corruption and that manifested in a hunger for the rotting infected meat.

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I’m not sure what exactly happened but either Jed stopped providing them with hound meat out of concern for their health or the hound meat stopped working. Either way they fled into the bayou. And found the meat themselves, or found something that would satiate them.

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Which is where the emaciated corpses come in, presumably Anna did that the main question I have is the mechanics of how she emaciated them. I suspect Anna has become some kind of vampire.

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So did she bite her victims and drain them of their blood and vitality or did she just passively consume vitality through proximity

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Which finally leads us to: what the fuck happened. That led to Anna empaled on a bayonet, two emaciated corpses, and a dead baby.

granite shard
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my question on the husks is that are they husks as in drained, or husks as in they were burnt up?

earnest jungle
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That is fair

granite shard
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my initial reading was the house caught on fire after that emaciated dude threw that lantern, and so everyone in there might have burned to death

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that still doesn't explain how she got bayonetted to the wall tho lol

earnest jungle
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Exactly

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And it also doesn’t explain the second corpse. Jed killed the emaciated man outside their house.

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Did Jed bring the corpse back inside for some reason?

granite shard
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it's possible, I don't understand why he'd do it but I don't discount it as a potential

earnest jungle
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The real question I have about the two corpses is who they are. Is one if them Jed? Did he die in the house alongside his wife and child? Or did he survive?

granite shard
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we know he's the last one to have the berthier riposte, so I wonder if he's the one who stabbed her to the wall

neat juniper
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jed is such a funny name

granite shard
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and he's on the ground dead now

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I think that's the most tragic answer (so the one I like the most)

earnest jungle
granite shard
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yeah we don't know it's him but I think it's a likely potential

earnest jungle
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I think it’s just as plausible he walked in on Anna and the Baby eating two dudes and finally realized they were monsters and decided to end it all.

granite shard
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here's how I'm kinda viewing the timeline in my head:

  1. jed has the fight w the emaciated guy
  2. jed returns to the house (potentially bringing the body inside?)
  3. anna does something fucked up like going for the corpse to eat it, potentially going after jed himself
  4. jed stabs anna to the wall
  5. jed kills himself bc he can't live with the guilt of having killed his wife
real dove
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I'm with Smalls, seems like dude stabbed her, then kills himself

earnest jungle
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I can see that.

granite shard
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I think your answer is still likely

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I just like the tragedy in mine 😂

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he also could have set the house on fire before killing himself too to try and burn up the remains of the horror

earnest jungle
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There are two problems with theory though:

• Black describes being overpowered by the smell of rot and decay but what he doesn’t describe I think is more interesting: burnt flesh.

• Fire is one of the few things that has been shown to kill things permanently. If the house was burned Anna should be dead but she isn’t.

granite shard
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maybe the fire started but didn't last? black mentions the ground's been scorched by fire

earnest jungle
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Yeah upon rereading the entry he does mention that the house and especially the yard has been burned

granite shard
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the burning could have come from the emaciated guy's initial lantern throwing

earnest jungle
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Probably

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I think what happened is Jed for some reason brought the body back inside (a dead body in front of the house might attract unwanted attention)

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When he went inside something happened. Anna and Jeb had a fight and it ended with Anna pinned to the wall with a bayonet in a burning building and Jed dead on the floor sucked dry by Anna just like the emaciated man.

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Perhaps the energy she sucked from Jed allowed her to survive the fire and weeks pinned to the wall while her baby either withered and died or burned up in the fire

granite shard
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oh wait

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the baby's still at play

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I mean it's in its crib but there's the potential that since it munched on people

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that jed could have stabbed anna to the wall and when he went to the baby it did some soul sucking

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and jed pulls back but still succumbs to his wounds

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slash kills himself

real dove
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New enemy unlocked: child dementors

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Doubt we'll get them, kinda sus adding shootable children

night cliff
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didn't the other man hit Jed two times in the chest with the rifle? maybe he bleed out after pinning anna to the wall?

also maybe the bebe just starved? tho why is the umbilical cord still there?

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Oh I missed some stuff before posting my last thing.

The energy sucking would work.
There a few bodies littered across the maps that aren't rotted but are extremely pale and skinny if I remember right.

noble scarab
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Other question; what kind of experiment is black going to do

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Also highly unlikely but possible call back, but could Anna have become a witch or something similar, from Circe’s backstory?

night cliff
earnest jungle
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Given its Black we’re talking about I suspect he intends to either kill and then dissect Anna or just straight up Vivisect her.

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Black isn’t an idiot he’s not like Chary or Huff, he doesn’t experiment he studies. He’s careful to the point that he burned down one of his own labs just to make sure the infection didn’t spread when he was dissecting Armored’s

cunning pollen
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I thought he burned someone else's lab down

night cliff
night cliff
cunning pollen
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Yeah I think it was one of the sinners but I can't remember

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Also wasn't it another doctor to open the grunt with father nico

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Unless there were 2 different times

night cliff
earnest jungle
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Right it was Tamrat's house

amber harbor
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Do people use it?

real dove
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i haven't didnt know we had one that was getting updated

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will have to check out :3

cloud arch
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They really need to keep all the lore in a book in game. Have it as a journal or something. Yes this was already done in the suggestions. Crazy that you have to rely on a wiki or you tubers uploading everything to keep in touch with the lore instead of the people making the game.

granite stump
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I think they are working on that?

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AFTER?

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they fix the timeline

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cause I mean

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literally everything in hunts 5 years has magically only happened in 1895

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they intend on bringing the year of to 1900 though

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so

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hoping they fix the lore

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and maybe add a "huge hunt lore" page

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to get things fixed

topaz light
granite stump
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there might've been?

earnest jungle
topaz light
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Ah my bad then

night cliff
real dove
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Hello yes I dropped a link to a table with all the dates in the book of monsters and weapons yesterday. Will fill in other stuff as I have time.

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We have stuff from 1893,1894, but yes, most stuff happens 1895 as of now

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I'd love to see some more from 1890, telling the story of how this all got kicked off.

real dove
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unfinished but that's what I have so far going off "concrete" dates from BOW/BOM and blog posts, as well as event stuff. I was trying to see where BATS would fit in, hence the red Twin's arc, but take that with a grain of salt as we know BATS isnt a trusted source

visual finch
granite shard
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LET'S GO

visual finch
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The Mist vibes

granite shard
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Spooky ashy weather effect maybe?

rare dirge
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There would be a lot of ash after a big fire thing like we had last event

real dove
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Truth! and limited visibility from the smoke

rare dirge
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I know that very well

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The province next to me is always on fire in the summer and it becomes very foggy from all the ash and smoke over here in my province

real dove
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Be cool if it rolls in/out... or some areas (such as those that were on fire) have heavier smoke clouds/ash fall

rare dirge
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Something like that

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Ok well

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Convenient timing

real dove
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wonder if it'll be a test for a supposed snow map

rare dirge
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Ash instead of snow

real dove
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yeah

rare dirge
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Would make sense

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Though I’m sure snow snow may only be able to be done in the new engine

real dove
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true

rare dirge
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The upgrade includes the map I think as a way to show off what the new engine can do

real dove
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i dont know if i want to see heavy snow in the swamp maps

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maybe spotty snow

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which, if they use this as a kinda test, would be doable

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paint ash white, boom, snow

rare dirge
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Lol

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Yeah we will see I’m sure

real dove
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also, smol lol to the pair of hunters who die to legendaries in all the teasers, now killing each other

rare dirge
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Damn

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I bet this event will probably will be about the aftermath lore wise too

earnest jungle
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The short version is that while the Louisiana Event came to ahead in 1894/95. The Grunts and The Marked have been around for a while.

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In 1876 there was an incident in West Virginia involving a young Felis in Mongahelia forest. She started killing small animals and then graduated to killing an adult man and maiming a young child.

rare dirge
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Typically how the pipeline of murders goes

limpid bobcat
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how is black coat still alive in TOC despite being killed by his daughters?

earnest jungle
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I don’t

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Maybe he had necromancer when they killed him and he self revived after they dumped his body wherever they dumped it

rare dirge
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People just popping out I’m pretty sure

earnest jungle
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Anyway in 1887 Felis struck again killing the boy she maimed for unstated reasons. According to what I gather she suffered from some kind of spiritual malady so perhaps she had a relapse.

rare dirge
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Think the entirety of the death pact last event all died but came back and their whole purpose as the death pact was to fix the land of the dead

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Something like that

quartz nest
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have we learned what exactly pledging to a pact entails? is it some higher beings or is it like cult factions?

earnest jungle
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Lunar is the moon, Demented is the Sculptor, Smuggler’s Pact is to the Delphine, Primal to Rotjaw/Princess, and I’m not quite sure how the Infernal Pact works except that they’re fighting fire with fire as it were.

real dove
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once once more, You can't take Bad as they seem as hard facts- Collins could have added that part just for flavor, or, as we know, Durant could be able to walk back into the land of the dead cause things are messed up. He was buds with Lynch (as far as we know per BATS) so if she's got some powers she could have rezzed him.

granite shard
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he's been the link through them in the last two events too

earnest jungle
rare dirge
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I keep hearing about these twins but do we ever see them anywhere? Also why are these twins in particular so important

earnest jungle
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No

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They are story characters who occasionally show up in the trailers as generic hunters identifiable only by their weapons

granite shard
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they're infamous to the point where they seem to be almost urban legends among a lot of hunters, they come up fairly regularly in lore

real dove
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No, I agree that it's important that he is their dad. However, i do think that we very clearly have one clearly not dead William Durant, and one story written by someone who was not actually there

granite shard
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I don't think black coat being killed in the dark sight trailer puts it solidly into "this absolutely happened" territory

real dove
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and thus, cannot be taken as hard fact. his death, imo, is not the critical thing

rare dirge
granite shard
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I want it in solid, non-debatable text that he's dead

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bc atm the solid non-debatable text is that he's alive (or, was up until the death pact shot everything up and now he's maybe dead)

rare dirge
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The black coat Probably did die but death isn’t quite permanent in the bayou apparently

real dove
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The twins show up in Bad as they Seem, and in some John Victor texts where he is hunting them

earnest jungle
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We had solid, non-debatable text that he was dead. Then the writers seemingly forgot they’ed previously killed him off and brought him back with no explanation.

rare dirge
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Wouldn’t be surprised if he was still not dead now even after being shot again

earnest jungle
granite shard
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It’s not solid and non-debatable. Collins is not wholly reliable

granite shard
rare dirge
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Was there any remarks from anybody about how he shoulda been dead?

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Then again isn’t like death pacts whole thing that they all died and came back and wanna fix the fact that they all came back or something? Coulda sworn that is what I heard but I also coulda sworn the reaper and Sofia were never killed

earnest jungle
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But he is reliable, the writers went out of their way to confirm his reliability with the custom ammo lore where the researcher says straight up his description of events is reliable. Saying a fairly important figure was dead when they were really alive goes beyond the realm of simple artistic license.

tulip hedge
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Why did she shoot her teammate? In the trailer

granite shard
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They also go out of their way to constantly question it and mention “another one of Collins’ inventions”

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We know Collins already fabricated lynch being the one to personally kill huff

rare dirge
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Also another question didn’t Mr chary get killed?

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Thought he was dead but reading the chapters in the tides of shadow (I think) sounded like people were interrogating a very alive chary

granite shard
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He’s wormed his way out of dying a few times

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Kevin almost killed him but got his heart popped by ochenkov’s widow

rare dirge
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Damn

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Did she use ochenkovs pistol?

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(The best new army skin)

real dove
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nah, squeezy style

rare dirge
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On a slightly off topic note I’m so glad I started playing in traitors moon because all the skins from it were actually so good

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I always thought it was cool we got the gun then later the hunter to go with the gun

raw gust
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Real somnus posting hours

real dove
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I am SO sad i missed that skin

rare dirge
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I didn’t reach somnus sadly I joined a little late into traitors moon

real dove
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Somnus best term skin

rare dirge
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Slate

real dove
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sorry

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yes

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mixing my shotties

raw gust
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I feel like somnus moght make a comeback with how they respond when people ask about that vs asking about plague doctor

granite shard
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I don't think it will

rare dirge
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Yeah but that would mean the rest of traitors moon stuff would come back and that’s my oldest stuff

granite shard
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I think all of the BP skins will stay gone

rare dirge
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Also another another question

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What’s the deal with the bad hand or is he like not relevant to the lore and is just some random cosmetic outside the cannon

granite shard
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it's just revenant before he died

rare dirge
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Well yeah but he exists alongside revenant

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Is what I’m sayin

real dove
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I'd enjoy seeing some of the bp stuff show up as questlines. or something similar as a nod to the event.

real dove
rare dirge
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Yeah that’s true

raw gust
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12 headmen in the same match is canon

real dove
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Red shirt mains doing the spider man point

tulip hedge
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So are we going have an ashy weather

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Where ash keeps falling?

rare dirge
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We got no clue

granite shard
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seems like dark heavy fog plus ash

rare dirge
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Only guesses

tulip hedge
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I just got silent hill vibes

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From watching it

rare dirge
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Personally now that the new event is getting closer I do feel my theory’s are solid

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Just you wait

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The turncoat is gonna be relevant and the kid gonna come back

tulip hedge
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I do want to see a new Ai to deal with

real dove
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We had one guy come crawling back from the LOD so I agree, i think kid will show up again

raw gust
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Immolator variant maybe? Haven't got one yet and seems thematically appropriate

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Still hoping for land devils

earnest jungle
tulip hedge
raw gust
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An entirely new option would be nice too though, I just don't expect it so soon after rotjaw

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I like the idea of shock immolators actually that do the rotjaw thing

rare dirge
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Very cool

raw gust
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Make blunt bad against them and we got a war going

tulip hedge
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I got a feeling the hunter don’t die in the lore

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They managed to come back

rare dirge
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I appreciate the screenshots of it @earnest jungle

earnest jungle
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You’re welcome, I will say though the main evidence for this theory is the weapons we see them use and even then it’s a bit of a stretch as the hunter on the left doesn’t have a crossbow.

granite shard
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I think a really cool enemy type would be demented hunters

earnest jungle
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But did have a hand crossbow in an earlier scene

granite shard
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not a lot of them, just some of them stumbling around w a bat or an empty gun they would try and whack you w

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it would work rly well w the lore imo

rare dirge
tulip hedge
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Revenant type hunters

rare dirge
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Yeah actually thinking about it why does the revenant get to live?

earnest jungle
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Actually events as described by Collins it would be impossible for Black Coat to nerco himself because they burned his body.

rare dirge
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Or be undead

earnest jungle
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So I’m officially chalking this one up to “the writers forgot Blackcoat is supposed to be dead.”

rare dirge
real dove
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Shall see! 🙂

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Revenant was brought back by the bone doc, if i recall

earnest jungle
rare dirge
rare dirge
granite shard
real dove
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He'd be a hunter who id like to see have an interview

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(bone doc)

granite shard
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like having an explicit contradiction instead of small implied ones makes BATS more interesting as a narrative device

rare dirge
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I want a bone doc lore drop

earnest jungle
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Technically he was brought back by the Cult of the Night Hunt accidentally and then the Bone Doctor intercepted him

granite shard
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bone doctor is so cool

earnest jungle
granite shard
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love that guy

real dove
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ah, gotcha. I couldnt recall exactly

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i want lore for ALL

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Hunter lorebook when

granite shard
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I mean like, they have him being alive? The lore drops aren't exactly fast

tulip hedge
granite shard
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this gives them a place to go with that

earnest jungle
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He’s just there with out anyone asking “wait aren’t you supposed to be dead?”

granite shard
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we're seeing them returning to pretty old lore with the brothers coming up again w black coat

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why would anyone expect him to be dead?

real dove
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The only one who knew he died was Lynch redact, think she came looking cause he was missing

granite shard
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if collins makes up his death in BATS, nobody in the world would expect him to be dead

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they just know he's been around

rare dirge
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I still think the land of the dead being fucked up explains him coming back I think he died and came back (he is mentioned being alive in the same event where the land of the dead is fucked up)

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wouldn’t that be the reason?

granite shard
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all this needs is an ammo type variant for the researcher to go "other reports show the black coat still being alive"

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and then there's an answer

rare dirge
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Still unsure of how the land of the dead works or ever what’s up with it

granite shard
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yea no clue on the land of the dead

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chary mentioned a few ways to get into it

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either cut yourself into pieces and slip through a rift, or cause a mass tragedy event and get in whole

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(he cut himself into pieces, the delphine had a mass tragedy event)

rare dirge
granite shard
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and then the murmurstone + rotjaw + finch + captain = portal

real dove
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Seems kinda like a mirror of our world... but takes some extreme stuff to get in, and it's filled with rotting things. I have started to think it's not the land of the dead in the sense of the dead go there like heaven/hell version, but named that as it is full of dead things

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but no proof on that

tulip hedge
rare dirge
real dove
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I'd enjoy seeing some leakage- sections of the map that are "corrupted"

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coupled with the sky the navigator talks about

rare dirge
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Like their whole thing is they come back and wanna fix the land of the dead being fucked up due to the delphinine or whatever

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But I don’t know of Sofia or the reaper being killed

tulip hedge
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Reaper can’t die I’m not mistaken he can move back in forth in the worlds

rare dirge
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Well actually I don’t know of any of the death pact being killed but Sofia and reaper I thought for sure were alive

granite shard
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sofia implies they all died and came back to some extent

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but nothing concrete

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just "we don't know why death chose us to return" or something

rare dirge
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Feel like that’s super solid for them dying and coming back but then again I guess it’s really not concrete

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Maybe all of them died during some fight over rotjaw? I know most of the hunters were mentioned in the fight but they could have just died in random unmentioned battles around rotjaw and came back due to the land of the dead getting fucked up from the ghost boat or whatever coming to the regular world

granite shard
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could have just died on the hunt feels most likely

rare dirge
granite shard
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yea, I guess the sticking point for me is they all seem a lot less connected to the delphine stuff

rare dirge
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Though then again not being close to any of it and not knowing what was going on would explain the udder confusion on why they are back

granite shard
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it wouldn't be hard for me to picture them as not rly picking a side in that

rare dirge
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They never do try to come up with theory’s on why they are back I don’t think they mention the Delphine ethier do they?

real dove
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I'm guessing they were "picked" as they are all linked to death moreso than some of the others, and have a Patron warlock style in the Grim Reaper it'self because of that

rare dirge
real dove
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we do have other kinds of creatures/beings than just our fren the Sculpty

rare dirge
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Sofia with her parents the reaper with his whole “killing to get memories back” the bone mason with her son and worm bite because he y’know is a grave digger and buries dead people

real dove
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tho so far, as far as I know, we dont really have a good explanation on how the whole pact thing works, in terms of the traits showing up and such

granite shard
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death picking the worm bite is so funny to me

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bc the worm bite's goal is to kill death

real dove
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the ultimate screw you lol

rare dirge
real dove
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dunno. prolly be a bit confusing to have patrons in that sense. I know the gunrunners from TOS had the delphine as their patron

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assuming Death is the death pact's patron

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was simpler when it was just Law, Night Hunters, and Voodoo lol

granite shard
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a lot of the pacts seem to be a lot more temporary than them tho

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like I'd say law, etc are factions

real dove
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fair

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I just find it interesting that they don't have anyone wondering how they get the powers they do when they join a pact... I need a journal akin to that one from the dude who came to hunt and then noped out where someone joins a pact, and as they shmear blood on the altar or whatever they get a glimpse of a many tentacled Cthulhu monster and go "naw, that's what yall are swearing loyalty to? naw" and leaving

rare dirge
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That would be hilarious

real dove
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followed by Cthulhu eating them, cause you don't swear loyalty and leave

tulip hedge
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Well you get drag in the room and injected with something

real dove
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but would give some look into what gives the pacts their powers. Like, some i can see be not magical in source, using fire to cauterize a bleed, being strong willed enough to come back with more health, etc... but some are clearly given powers. Thinking on it, Cardinal Rain was given shadow by the delphine's altar too

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that's the innoc, hunters get that to not become grunts (as quickly) as uninoculated folks

tulip hedge
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I think what ever they get injected with gives dark sight I thought

real dove
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As far as I know, yes. That's the innoculation that gives you resistence to the plague, allows you to survive being downed (hunters breathe when downed but not when dead), and gives you darksight, to name a few things

tulip hedge
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They should kept death cheat a perm trait it would fit so well outside the event

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With what you are saying

granite shard
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god death cheat being a perma trait would suck so bad lmao

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I'm fine with some gameplay-lore separation there 😂

tulip hedge
granite shard
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I like death cheat but I think it works best as an occasional event one

real dove
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I wouldn't mind it being a burn world trait

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saw a post about having RJ/princess drop world traits to increase her value

tulip hedge
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Yea I’m the guy that want some form of restoration trait because playing solo sucks after events

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I leave after I loose two bars now.. no since getting back up if you going get body tap by long ammo

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But anyway if the event trial is himtimg we going hunt in a weather called land of the dead which make the lore interesting

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I just hope they make the au stronger if it’s that type of weather

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Because land of the dead supposed to be a scary place

foggy sundial
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seeing the new teaser i swear the ashes that were coming towards the screen were the same as when you banish a target

earnest jungle
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They are

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Last event ended with a new potentially permanent hell rift opening up.

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Like one of those clues except much bigger and things can crawl out of them.

amber harbor
rotund ferry
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Wait what

amber harbor
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Think about it: the demons in the underworld feed on life, so invading ours seems like a infinite food hack

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And I havent read all lore, but I saw above that Chary had to pretty much kill himself to go to the Land of the Dead, so a trip down there involves some kind of death

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Would that mean that an act of life would get you out of there, whatever that means?

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Hunters can come back(revived) because they have the corruption in their blood, so they belong to the LoD so to speak, and the demons don t see them

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But once they die enough maybe they somehow lose that camouflage and so they bring fresh life in the LoD for the demons/decay to consume

amber harbor
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And with so many souls they could coalesce aroud a single hunter to bring them back

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And with that kind of ressurection on the table, you could have a feedback loop of life/death to spiral out of control/destabilize the LoD into what it is now, hunters coming back and all that

green pollen
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I like the idea of the land of the dead but maybe they’re hinting at an after fire, with everything all burnet up and covered in soot

granite stump
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Naw those where distinctly clue ashes

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Same exact blue hue

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Could be we are entering the land of the dead

cloud arch
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Everyone’s really over thinking this. Don’t expect anything fancy or new til the engine upgrade. Even then things will be sparse. This is a sweaty FPS guys not Shakespeare. Any gameplay or lore stuff will simply be like it always is, stupidly locked behind events and vague twitter posts or blog scraps that don’t lead anywhere. Love hunt and it’s lore buts it’s so wasted on a game like this.

night cliff
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What do you mean "always...locked behind events" ? The events have three kinds of rewards (BB not included) Skins, earlier access for new weapons and story chapters.
2 of these do not require you spending any money on it and are simply a reward for playing the game.
And the vagueness of Hunt's lore is due to the medium it is presented in. The letters, journals, folklore and documents are all incomplete. We don't know the full picture which allows for interpretation and discourse about the things we do know.
And how is it "wasted on a game like this" when people enjoy it so much?

green pollen
granite shard
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I think realistically we won’t be entering the land of the dead here— but I think the ash and stuff will either be from the fires, or from the land of the dead corruption spilling through chary’s ruined portal

amber harbor
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Would be cool if the ash storm disabled revives for a while

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Or something along those lines, tie it to player deaths in a way

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Annoying, sure, but thematic

night cliff
# amber harbor Annoying, sure, but thematic

tbh that would be more than annoying.
limiting players hearing and sight in an explicit area or over a short time is one thing but taking away the ability to play the game doesn't sound right

young inlet
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Very important question: how do ammo boxes get refilled?

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Is there any sort of explanation in the lore?

cloud arch
# night cliff What do you mean "always...locked behind events" ? The events have three kinds o...

Exactly what I mean. Wasted. You have good lore here be it not complete, interpreted, whatever, solid things from the events that make good stories WASTED because it’s an online extraction shooter when all the lore so far could have been presented In an actual single player game with expansions or something. Imagine Hunt like a western Diablo or something.(just an example) secondly locked behind events is exactly that. After the events over? It’s gone. You can’t listen to it anymore or read it unless a YouTuber uploads it (thankfully happens all the time mostly) or you read it on the wiki. Shouldn’t have something so apparently important to the overall Hunt experience locked behind events and or Wikipedia. Dumb. I’ve said this already but give Hunt a radio drama.

night cliff
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I agree that the event chapters should be added to Hunt in a story section after the events are over instead of just disappearing.

real dove
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I've been begging in the suggestions section for several weeks for a hunter book and for a lore book. or a combo of thwe two

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be great if yall can toss it in there too, so its not just me spamming 1HuntCry but it gets nothing but uipvotes when i toss it in there

cloud arch
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I’ve suggested it a few times as well already

granite stump
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i'm pretty sure they are doing something like that with the UI overhaul

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they ain't gonna add more to the UI when they literally are about to bring out a total UI overhaul

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@cloud arch @real dove @night cliff just pinging so ya'll can see

night cliff
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I guess that would makes sense.
We only know that the new UI should come with the engine upgrade right?

real dove
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I'm hoping so
I don't recall an actual thing saying yes, this is coming but does make sense to wait on that

cloud arch
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Yeah I’m sure lots of stuff is going to drop that people have been asking for next year once the update is out and they don’t have to focus on it much anymore besides stability things

granite shard
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Yea I think an event lore archive is prob the most likely thing to pop up w the UI change since they’ve mentioned the event lore access a few times

granite stump
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Least several news sources have all said the same thing

real dove
jolly helm
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@livid crypt Its a bit violent you still have to kill the demon once you set up the bait

livid crypt
jolly helm
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Yes unfortunate for the bait tbh

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Lynch is very unhinged (im still waiting for Lynch to be a hunter skin Crytek)

pliant coral
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If Lynch ever becomes a hunter, I bet it will happen on some sort of big event. New boss appear or new map type stuff.

granite stump
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Lynch is the woman who invented the serum hunters use, who's currently hiding in the land of the dead

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Finch is the guy who just drowned himself cause it's based

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(also she's probably a entity like the sculptor but we won't go there)

unkempt wraith
thin ether
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i need to complete the set

unkempt wraith
jolly helm
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Idk what made you think I was referring to finch tbh

granite stump
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Was simply verifying

real dove
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I doubt we will get her, same as I doubt we will get chary

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on the grounds she's got powers beyond a normal hunter

upbeat kiln
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"I killed Lynch"

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Did you though?

real dove
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I'd love to have her show up as a pact leader akin to chary and his infernal, but still dont think we will see her as a hunter. I'm happily shove foot in mouth if she does show tho

jolly helm
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We can still get her as a hunter before she became a spooky entity.

jolly helm
real dove
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if we get a event set before 1895, sure, but she's been powerful for a long time per her lore

granite stump
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Remember

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Majority of well... Everything

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Happened strictly in 1895

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For some reason

real dove
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wut

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She's active in TOS, not just Jan

jolly helm
real dove
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well clearly he's not, since he's alive

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Idk how that relates to my logic

night cliff
real dove
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i recall her showing up, but maybe that was where she brings gar back to life or such, which happened in 1893 if i remember right. Need to start adding hunter dates to my timeline

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per my timeline, Lynch is active in may of 1895, then kinda vanishes (tracks, the Twins are hunting her), so she could very well appear again sometime soon

jolly helm
real dove
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or im thinking of what you said, where she shows up in enola's diary. but that's still pretty present day, since that's after RJ/Princess is ripped out of LOD

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Dude, he's alive in the event. How is that not proof of life?

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Y'all want proof of evidence that the BATS story isn't totally accurate EXCEPT the biggest proof that BLACKCOAT IS STILL ALIVE despite supposedly dying/being burnt. Sure, LOD is kinda screwed and maybe Lynch brought him back, other options out there but regardless, dude is very clearly alive in the event so I don't know how I can better show proof of life

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sorry, maybe a bit angrier than I meant, just have this same conversation almost weekly lol

granite shard
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I think Kevin being a hunter is proof that we could eventually get some of the more in-lore powerful hunters as legendaries

jolly helm
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^ exactly

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Also hunts lore isn't exactly following a linear path as well

granite shard
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He’s not chary level or anything (and is a drowned wet cat of a child) but he has something more going for him thanks to moon stuff

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But lmao yea I’m w you there w the black coat/BATS stuff

real dove
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Not disagreeing, I just think that he's still pretty baby compared to lynch and chary

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and thus makes more sense

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as a hunter

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but as I said, if she shows up, I will consume foot and join the many folks who will be excited to see her

granite shard
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Tbh I think overall I don’t have an issue w the more in-lore powerful people being legendaries since like

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None of the hunts in the game are rly canon

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Like yea lynch might have more powers in lore but we’re just getting her as a skin to send out and play our silly little game

real dove
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The lore has been pretty linear actually, I took the time to date it all out, there's not as wild an issue there as folks think

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fair. I'd have loved to have seen chary when we were giving him blood

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just as like a background animation of him walking around his office

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but yeah, it'd be cool to have them both. Guess we'll see? Maybe she goes to the new map and that's why she's been kinda MIA for the most part

jolly helm
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I'd be funny to see mr chary rushing you with a baseball bat.

real dove
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Are past events retconned to a degree? Looking at prior events (blood and ice rn) and PHJ is there but talks about a infamous feb winter storm... which happened IRL in feb 1895 over valentines, but Huff is long dead by winter

raw gust
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1895 was a very strange year. It had 3 extra winters comprised of yet-undiscovered months dispersed throughout the calendar year

amber harbor
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Do you think PHJ had the innoculum?

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Or Finch for that matter, or all those aha 'functionaries'?

real dove
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I'd guess no, on the grounds of Chary seems to me as someone powerful enough to not need it- he walks around the mud and filth yet is clean as can be- Huff never appeared to have actually hunted (in the year we are in at least, he was busy running the asylum/experimenting/keeping the hunters in guns etc), and im guessing Finch probably has taken the shot, but he could also fall into the category of busy doing stuff, never actually entered the plague zones/could have outside powers

real dove
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they aren't dated, but butcher appears in 1895 so IDK lol

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herg

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would make sense if they were before 1895 but butcher. so no idea. bleh. putting them in questionable, maybe retconned with new event stuff cat

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because then, we've had several winters and several halloweens all in the same year and now my head hurts

raw gust
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Lousy Smarch Weather

real dove
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thankfully the new stuff more or less follows a timeline that is trackable

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would say for events, seems like traitor moon forwards is logical. hard to nail stuff down exactly but it's not impractical. I just cant fit the prior event in without it creating issues lol

cunning pollen
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Finch may also not have needed the shot because his blood seems kinda goofy

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Yah know with the hole portal exploding thing

noble scarab
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huff has a medkit and a personalized dolch, plus i think it mentions him going back and forth to hunting grounds at least once

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so id say hes probably had the shot or something similar

granite stump
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by his daughters

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they turned his bones into knives.

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i'm still waiting for how tf he's alive rn

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he SHOULDNT BE

granite shard
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One of the things he canonically exaggerated was lynch being the one to kill huff

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That has long been established. Black coat dying is another now

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The knife skin description in game also just specifies that they forged the knives when they became hunters, no mention of the black coat. They likely had some sort of confrontation w him (and he prob did kill their uncle) but they did not actually kill him

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noble scarab
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there is also a chance that hes back due to the land of the dead being fucked

real dove
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As I said in the post I was tagged in, Blackcoat is very clearly alive. We have multiple examples of Collins exaggerating- dude was trying to sell stories to the papers, after all- as well as the researcher themselves making a comment of him fluffing his stories, so knowing this, BATS is not a source to be taken as 100% evidence- yes, many of the events in it are probably solid (William Salter died at about the right time and the story lines up, the Twins were known by other hunters as being efficient killers, etc...) but not everything can be taken as solid fact.

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I will agree there are options for his being alive- Lynch didnt care he'd died, so she could have had a way to bring him back, or he got back since the LOD is in shambles, or he could have very well not died at all to the Twins and rather just got into a fight with them. There's no real strong evidence for any one of those, only that dude who was supposedly dead is very much not.

granite shard
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tbh I really just do not understand the pushback on the idea of him being alive now

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there's a lot of potentials, and I think that this shining doubt on things in BATS that we haven't seen the contemporary researchers verify makes BATS far more interesting as a narrative device

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like it shows the team actually utilizing the fact that there's different levels of reliability in the different types of sources

night cliff
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exactly, we should always question what the motive of the person behind the document could be.
Like we just recently got a great example for this with the two baseball bat masteries:
Two different sources, depicting the same person/event from two different perspectives and both very bias.

rare dirge
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Coulda sworn we seen the black coat dead in one of the videos or something people have come back from the dead so even if he did die there are ways for him to show up in the story especially tides of corruption where the land of the dead is fucked up and all these crazy people who can bring people back themselves exist

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I don’t know many of the characters personalities or motive but like if they did lie about the black coat being dead where was he this whole time? If he didn’t die and had all these papers published about his death wouldn’t somebody like just bump into him? Wouldn’t the black coat like see these papers of him being dead and wanna do something about it? I don’t know if he would have motive to act like he was dead other then maybe the twins coming after him again or something

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S19T_j1CFSQ you can see in this video a crossbow being reloaded didn’t somebody say one of the twins weapons was a crossbow?

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I met others on the road, and they sure understood.
All heading to the same place, to meet a man named Finch.

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I don’t know if he is dead dead in this shot here but I’d assume this would be his death right here

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real dove
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The trailers, as far as I am aware, cannot be taken as 100% canon. it's a hand crossbow not a crossbow so imo that's a small doubt to it being meant to be his "death" but as we know, hunters aren't dead until burned or have no living support left... The axe in the other corpse certainly helps in this being a scene from BATS. He's not on fire though, so imo still doesn't mean he could have been downed and not dead and they left him when lynch came, not knowing he was able to get back up.

real dove
rare dirge
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Someone was saying a motive for whoever to lie about being dead is just to publish in papers or something

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Idk I don’t know much about the lore I’m going off what I’m reading here

real dove
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Gotcha. Okay, so BATS was never published but the other two parts Collins had published were in 1910 and 1907. there was nothing in the papers at that point about BC that we currently have

mint wind
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What's BATS ?

real dove
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since Bad as they seem- the novella about the Twins

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bad as they seem

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sorry, was mid other thought and didn backspace far enough

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BATS for short

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Hayden Collins wrote BATS, a piece about Lynch, and The Devil You Know, about water devil's origin

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the latter two which were published in 1907/1910, well past the actual events they are about. BATS has to take place in 1895, sometime around Feb-July

mint wind
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We have stories from the future ?!

real dove
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The person who put the Weapons Mastery book/Monstrum together is in the future/present time if I recall correctly. The Researcher (RN) is looking at all the scraps of lore/journals/etc to put together the story

raw gust
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BATS is a pulpy dime store novel. Taking it as absolute fact about how the Twins grew up is like taking Indiana Jones as a primary source on the end of WWII

granite shard
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It’s certainly based in truth but yeah has things that Collins appears to have exaggerated

amber harbor
rare dirge
granite shard
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Here’s a couple of researchers notes talking abt that where they verify some things and then go “hm. Still gotta question it all tho”

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mint wind
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I thought we were hunting in the 1895 period.

real dove
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We are! All events so far have happened in 1895.

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However~

granite shard
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We are but the person compiling documents is more contemporary

real dove
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The person who's notes we are reading is in later years

rare dirge
granite shard
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It’s why we see documents for the 1900s

real dove
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^^^

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Second tab! Collins got his 2 stories published well past 1895

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but Water devils certainly existed well before that

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and the one on Lynch also probably took place before 1895, since, lynch.

rare dirge
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It’s a lotta lore

real dove
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just that with real actual dates

rare dirge
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It’s interesting stuff I got learn for sure

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Just wanted to make my input on this black coat thing

granite shard
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the kid's BACK BABEY

real dove
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HYPE HYPE HYPE

rare dirge
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YEAHHHHHH

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THE KID MY MAN

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Is that the rat too????

granite shard
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yea

rare dirge
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Hell yeah man I told you

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That’s crazy

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No sign of the turncoat

granite shard
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yea wasn't predicting the rat's return

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but I was FULLY predicting the kid's return

rare dirge
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my friend plays the rat

visual finch
rare dirge
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I play the kid

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Both our guys died and came back

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That’s hilarious

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We are so back this event

rotund ferry
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Hm?

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Those hunters died in lore?

icy brook
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At some point yes

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It seem death in the dead zone is still very much broken lol

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Unless something else is reviving them

rotund ferry
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So the trailer are we fighting the sculpter

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Or we fighting each other still?

granite shard
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each other

rotund ferry
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Darn

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I was hoping we will then because I think he revived the kid and the rat

granite shard
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there's something going on w the undead hunters but the land of the dead is major fucked rn

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but idk if it's the sculptor

rotund ferry
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Like how bad we talking

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Could it be fixed during this event

real dove
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doubt

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God i cannot wait for the story here