#lore-discussion

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visual finch
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So now we have a voice for Sofia 1HuntPog

buoyant crystal
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Is there other pact trailers or just the Death Pact rn?

granite shard
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infernal has one as well

rotund ferry
granite shard
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the voices are all SO good so I'd recommend at least scrubbing through to her her/butcher's cleaver/burnt marshall/mr chary

buoyant crystal
granite stump
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Actually no, supposedly stuff like what's happening in hunt has been going on for a LOOOONG time

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Just the sculptors instance is the worst we've seen it

white pasture
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Yeah, incursions from other dimensions it implied to be a constant event in this world. That this Event is the worst ever seen isnt even established and seems unlikely. Worst those in this area had seen is for certain but none of the experienced Hunters seem too surprised by whats happening.

buoyant crystal
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Is thete a reason the Water Devils havent devoured Rot Jaw like all the other Gators? Like a ward or something from the sculptur? Ive been out of the know for a while

neat juniper
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First, rotjaw is just that op, waterdevils can't do nothn to her

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Second, she is the boss monster of a kind, which makes her undesirable target for waterdevils

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Like grunts and armoreds standing in the water near WDs, rotjaw will be just ignored

languid notch
rotund ferry
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Rotjaw just built different

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whichever gators didn't get devoured by water devils ended up fleeing the Bayou all together, likely heading east toward the Florida everglades

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But Rotjaw wanted all the smoke

bold tiger
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The sculptor having anything to do with Napoleon is kinda strange

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Its like saying the sculptor was whispering into the prisons of failed WW1 Veteran artists.

neat juniper
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Although, who knows how that existence will alter history course

bold tiger
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Judging by the fact that history is at 1895 with only weird stuff having been in the past and everything else being the same one could conclude the future would be the same as well

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Does the sculptor have the capacity to lie?

neat juniper
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I don't believe even capacity to communicate has been noted

bold tiger
neat juniper
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.. does it?

bold tiger
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Completed the event?

neat juniper
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....... no GreySadHaw

bold tiger
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I mean otherwise how is the murmurstone connected to the sculptor, I believe that its some sort of mouthpiece

neat juniper
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Might be, might be
Also it's the same thing as with any eldritch

bold tiger
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Its precense demarcates a boundary of the sculptors will and influence

neat juniper
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Maybe the sounds we hear as talking are more akin to leaves rustling in the wind for them

bold tiger
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"It can only speak the truth, or so it says."

neat juniper
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Well then yes, absolutely

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Sculptor will not lie

bold tiger
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And it telling boldfaced lies about something that would be within living memory basically doesn't strike me as accurate

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The murmurstone, not the sculptor directly is that quote

neat juniper
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But might be wrong, acting on false assumptions
I don't feel like sculptor has access to universal truth pull i mean^

bold tiger
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Who knows, and it depends what you read about in the assassin lore

neat juniper
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True, true

granite shard
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I don't think the murmurstone is the sculptor communicating

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I think that the murmurstone enhances madness in some form-- we saw it with the demented pact, but I think it's a different sort of madness it's encouraging in chary

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and also like it has a link to the sculptor bc it was something that the sculptor either made or shed or something, and now that it's been shot w finch's blood, now the eyes of the sculptor are back on it and the sculptor is now actively paying attention and utilizing it

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idk if that all makes sense lol

rotund ferry
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Basically the Murmurstone is like the Markers from Dead space

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It makes people go absolutely positively bonkers

visual finch
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Or it make them see the truth

unkempt stirrup
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Is finch dead?

granite shard
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Seems like it

cloud arch
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When did HUNt get really lore crazy whwre it became important sort of? The recent events or has it always been there? Just now really digging in to all the backstory

neat juniper
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Always or almost always been here

granite stump
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everything in hunt is treated as a "rumor" or legend

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EX: Grunt Lore pages

mint wind
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Mostly sounds like people who don't want everyone to know the truth. The governement should be aware, but for the common folks there's just a very nasty plague going in Louisiana, one which weirdly attracts many not-very-respectable people.

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And some of the archivists want to correlate the creatures in the bayou to common superstitions to minimize the threat they represent.

bold tiger
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I don't rmember if its still in the game lore or was mentioned somewhere else but either an NGO or some government bureau took over the handling of the stuff afterwards. Not sure if I am misremembering though

granite shard
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honestly with it all happening in fairly remote areas back before the age of mass communication, it makes sense that it would be fairly easy to push under the rug

lucid quail
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Anyone else conside the Bible connection to Desolation?

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I'm only asking because I saw 'abomination of desolation' in mathews 13:30 or so

buoyant crystal
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So what is each pact about? from what Ive gatheted Infernal wants to desttoy the Bayou, Death wants to learn more about the happenings in the Bayou through the many deaths that happen in it daily, and Demented want to be reshaped in the Sculptures image?

fresh phoenix
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Well to make it more easy

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Demented - Monster Evil (sculptor sided)

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Infernal - Human Evil (Chary side Hunters)

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Death - Human Neutral/Good (neutral/Finch sided Hunters)

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Well i still wonder what the finch blood soaked silver arrow did to the murmor stone. It was supposed to kill chary tho.

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And what is all this talking about silver scarab and god larvae.

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It was said that mad driven rulers used these powers to concquer and desolate the land or smth alike. And finch has some ancient blood?
Did we just activated something with the murmor stone? Like trompets of jericho? Starting of the apocalypse or smth?

short zephyr
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Are the twitch drop hunters canonical?

frozen drift
cloud arch
rotund ferry
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They're all presumably Canon. Lulu and Kill buyer are mentioned multiple times.

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I've never seen a mention of Steel eyed or The infected but I'm assuming they're canon too

noble scarab
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Steel eyed was on a shirt, but he and the infected just haven’t been mentioned

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Steel eyed also has a revolver in game too

buoyant crystal
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Billy Story is mentioned in some trial descriptions as well

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Is the captain in Chapter 4 the Wayward Helmsman or is that just a stretch?

granite shard
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They’re different people I’m fairly certain

buoyant crystal
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Thought so after asking

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Im probably misding something from Tides of shadows since I missed it

frozen drift
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The Delphine’s captain is different

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The wayward helmsman I believe has mentioned the captain at some points in his chapters

empty owl
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wait, so the captain is still alive?

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what about the guy who tossed himself into the furnace?

grizzled pilot
granite shard
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The captain’s dead now

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He survived tide of shadows, he’s killed by chary in tide of corruption

buoyant crystal
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I widh they'd add a fourth book that keeps track of the story of Hunt through the seasons. Like when you unlock a chapter it get added to the journal under the respective season and for other seasons people miss it gives kind if a vague summary

rotund ferry
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Kinda weird how they introduce a nameless captain of an important ghost ship just to do away with him in the next event

rotund ferry
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Writers been killing off a lot of characters lately too

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Kid... 1HuntCry

buoyant crystal
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Oh kid is actually dead? Damn now Im sad. Fly high boy

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My first hunter Sadboyhaw

unkempt stirrup
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@rotund ferry how did kid die?

rotund ferry
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The butcher's cleaver (Demented pact leader) was the one to do it

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now everyone in the Demented pact must pay in blood

buoyant crystal
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I thought it was just a random kid but I knew it was him in the back of my head

fossil tide
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I know about the sticky bomb skin, but not much else

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I'm just surprised to hear that a hunter as...weird as Kill Buyer actually has lore revelance

granite shard
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He’s not mentioned anywhere else yet but he’s canon to the game— none of the hunters in game haven’t been canon yet

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He’ll probably get a book of weapons entry at some point

buoyant crystal
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Im surprised lulu is as popular as she is.

hasty raven
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Hello everyone today I will slightly dissect the meaning of Drowning Water

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ok so basically in the lore of the Tide events we've seen multiple times that people have been sucked into the Land of the Dead through the ocean, like Enola and the redcoats and the Delphine

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Now apparently the Land of the Dead is 'open' and death isn't working properly and people want to restore the natural order of death

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So I believe the song is about not being able to die using drowing in the ocean as a metaphor

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The singer is unable to drown no matter what they try (swallow stones but still I rise, drowning water won't take me, I have no anchor, etc.)

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That's all I had to say thank you

frigid prairie
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that interpretation is pretty cool

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i was wondering about the origin of the hiver, can someone give me a quick version

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the in game reading confused the hell out of me

buoyant crystal
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@Abby The Hive?

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If it the Hive, they Are women (or Virgin Women cant remember if it specific) that infected by the Plague and will start growing a wood like object in their abdomen. I believe the women can be saved if it is removed before it gets to bad. If not it continues to grow till it bursts out if their ribs as well as snapping their spines in half. That why their head is so far back. After that they are pretty much just shambling hosts for the insects inhabiting their body. Cant remember if they die after or are still aware but cant control anything they do. Hope that clears it up a little I just binged a lot of Hazards vids at work today lol

hasty raven
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quick which pact would Umpire's Bane pledge

hasty raven
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I have concluded the Umpire's Bane would definitely NOT join the Death pact since he busts down the Executioner and Mama Maye's door and attacks them

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And he doesn't strike (get it????) me as an Infernal

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and he's deranged enough to be a Demented

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so I think he is Demented

hasty raven
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what about the wolf family?

noble scarab
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But probably death given that grounded is not an option

hasty raven
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I mean in this event

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unless the other pacts are still around even if not in gameplay?

noble scarab
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The son might be Demented

hasty raven
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Smugglers pact maybe would be gone but Grounded could?

noble scarab
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I’d imagine grounded still exists even if they’re not in the forefront

hasty raven
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anybody can have Shadow now, even pactless

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everybody can be a Grounded as a treat

granite shard
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Finch mentions that the grounded are still after him

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So they’re prob just in the background doing their own thing

noble scarab
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gotta wonder where our boy kev is at

frozen drift
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Kevin linus? He’s probably in the background at this point, trying to find a way to kill chary.

granite shard
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Yeah I’m curious too

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I wonder if Kevin being unable to die loosened the doors for the land of the dead enough for chary to start fucking w it

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I also want to know when chary cut himself into tiny pieces to get into the land of the dead

near leaf
hasty raven
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It's the trailer

near leaf
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oh, i didnt watch the trailer. thx btw

buoyant crystal
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I think Umpire's Bane fits only to be on his own since all he cares about is winning aka getting the bounty extracted and busting as many skulls with his snake blood covered bat as he can

hasty raven
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Ain't no way Cain got a kill at that distance with the derringer pennyshot

icy brook
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One lucky penny 😳

buoyant crystal
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Im surprised Nightseer us part of the demented. Then again I guess all the symbols covering his coat do kinda giveit away

languid notch
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though hes not pre-pledged as a demented pact

hasty raven
granite shard
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Yeah I think so too

short zephyr
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Which hunter is canonically the most powerful?

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Through magic or skills or just any means

hasty raven
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whatever one I'm playing as CoolCHat

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(Kevin)

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(I'm not saying I play as Kevin though that's just the real answer)

rotund ferry
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but we both know how Cain really plays

buoyant crystal
somber oyster
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What is the earliest in game date of lore? 1812 is earliest I have seen so far but does any event happen before that

noble scarab
somber oyster
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Damn big long ago

rotund ferry
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technically the game's lore and occurrences go all the way back to AD

icy brook
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Yeah the murmur stone is unfathomably old, influencing people in prehistory, into the classical Bronze Age and beyond

rotund ferry
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I wonder if the murmurstone influenced the dinosaurs

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Gar's character description does mention "reptile birthing pits"

strong oyster
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couple question here 1. Is Chary considered a bad guy and 2. could anyone be willing to give me a quick rundown on what happened in the whole event story thing with the current event?

granite shard
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Yeah chary’s a bad guy. He’s still working against the sculptor but is incredibly self serving and is willing to commit atrocities for his own self interest (and curiosity)

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For this event, it’s picking up after tide of shadows. The butcher’s cleaver found the murmurstone in the wreckage of the Delphine after the showdown in tide of shadows. It kinda stoked his madness and he went full crazy and built his cult

The infernal pact is pretty directly working against the demented bc they also want the murmurstone. At one point, cain and Monroe drop a hive on them from a roof. They eventually do get the murmurstone and that Really makes the demented mad

Meanwhile, the death pact all seem to have died at some point & were brought back to life bc the land of the dead is kinda fucked up now, and they’re all mad about it. They’re working on figuring out how to get shit right again, and that culminates in them going to Finch where he’s like “lol yea, everyone hates me and wants to kill me except you” and Sofia’s like doubt dot png. Anyway he gives her three vials filled w his blood (that she proceeds to carve Lulu’s name into for the wife power boost) and tells her to shoot the murmurstone w them to break it

And then Chary starts reaping the benefits. He knows that Finch’s blood is the only thing that can destroy the murmurstone (he is unaware of finch’s meeting w sofia) and has a candlelit dinner while finch is hanging over a big sinkhole. They have a moment and then he drops finch in and is like ah well RIP to my ex bestie. Chary then does some more stuff w the murmurstone, finding out abt the past some and hanging out w the private eye. He also kills the captain of the Delphine by stabbing him in the eye w his cane. Turns out his leg’s fucked up due to some evil cloud.

Anyway, the big final showdown is chary making his own personal back door into the land of the dead using finch & the captain’s spirits, rotjaw’s cage, and the murmurstone (and a stage production). Everything goes to hell when the death pact shows up, shoots everyone, and then shoots the murmurstone which causes hell to unleash basically

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Wow that was long lmao

slim star
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I cannot imagine how much personal restraint it would take to not try and stab Chary with your Main Dinner Course knife, would make an interesting quick time event

granite shard
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Finch was tied up so there was no possible stabbing

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It was a recreation of the candlelit dinner they had when chary was brought into the AHA tho

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So take that as you will

slim star
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Fair, as everything was messed up when the murmurstone was shot- there probably still is a good chance finch is still active in the lore, even after being dropped

grizzled pilot
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Finch has powerful silly goose energy

rare dirge
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What I don’t get is the death pact

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Like if you got brought back wouldn’t you be like

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Happy???

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I could see their goal being to make sure chary doesn’t do some funky business but like do you really wanna go back to being dead?

granite shard
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I think they’re mad bc they want the actual order of death back, and also it’s implied that people they kill are also not staying dead which is fucking w them

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And the bone mason is upset bc she was allowed to come back to life but her son wasn’t

rare dirge
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Yeah actually entirely fair

rare dirge
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ALSO WHY MY BOY THE KID NOT GETTING THIS TREATMENT

granite shard
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I think the kid is going to have relevance in the next event

rare dirge
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That’s what I’m hoping

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I also predict the turncoat gonna have relevance next event

granite shard
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I’m not as sure abt that one lol

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But I think there’s stuff happening in the land of the dead that the kid was explicitly sucked into

rare dirge
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Yeah that’s what I was thinking

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I’m assuming death pact is gonna be back next event

granite shard
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It would be cool to see the return of the lunar pact

rare dirge
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Kid may or may not be apart of it or maybe he just has a part in the story like he did this time without being pledged or event point boosted

granite shard
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shadows had grounded, corruption had infernal, and so desolation (assuming that’s the name) having lunar would be nice

rare dirge
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But I thought they like

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Liked the moon

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Moon events

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And we ain’t doing that moon thing anymore

granite shard
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Yeah but I think they could figure out a way to work in their relevance. Esp since they’re prob the most good aligned group we’ve seen

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I just want to see my son Kevin have relevance again 😂😂

rare dirge
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Grounded has been pretty… grounded I thought they were generally the good guys because they were neutral

granite shard
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I think I’d classify them as neutral, they’re not really working to help people out, just keep the bayou intact

icy brook
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I wasn’t playing Hunt much at the time, but did Traitor’s Moon have pacts?

granite shard
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Nope, they were introduced in devil’s moon

icy brook
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That’s what I thought

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Thanks

granite shard
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I’d say neutral good - lunar pact
true neutral - grounded pact
chaotic neutral - smugglers pact & primal pact (could be neutral evil)
lawful evil - infernal pact
chaotic evil - demented pact

rare dirge
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And death pact?

granite shard
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How could I have forgotten my wife

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I think they’re in the neutral category too, maybe true?

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I struggle to qualify them as good when they’re like. All serial killers but also this is hunt 😂😂

rare dirge
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Very true

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Also I’m just saying my reasoning for the turncoat being relevant is pretty solid

noble scarab
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The fact that the revenant and infected aren’t important for the death pact is wild

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The revenant should be pissed, he’s all zombified and fucked up because of his resurrection, but all these death pact hunters are fine

real dove
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Kill buyer should be in demented IMO as well

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DA not being in infernal is weird too

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esp since HES THERE, licking corn

rotund ferry
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That's reason enough for me to side with him

granite shard
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Tbf demented isn’t just insane

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they’re specifically sculptor worshiping insane

rare dirge
rare dirge
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Justice for the kid

amber harbor
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Who were the Sinners? Were they eastern hunters, Night of the Hunter?

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I forgor

upbeat kiln
amber harbor
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Haven't heard from them in a long while

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Kinda hope we get to see them in a future event

minor valley
amber harbor
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What was special about them? Iirc, they were the first foreigners to come to Louisiana?

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I think one Sinner was John Hayward Hunter's partner

rotund ferry
granite shard
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😂😂😂

jagged tide
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So, in the lore of the current event Chary performs a ritual at the point where the delfine went into the land of the dead. To find it he looks for the remains of a circus, which is described by the Navigator as well in the last event. I wonder: Are there parts of a circus-tent in the game on any of the maps? Maybe that place can be found ingame...

noble scarab
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There isn’t anything like that in game

granite stump
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which is black coat

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fucker died off screen

frozen drift
granite stump
frozen drift
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Are you talking about William Durant?

granite stump
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Oh he's part of infernal

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Well that makes even less sense

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BECAUSE HE IS FUCKING DEAD

frozen drift
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Yes… yes it does.

granite stump
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his death played an integral role in major game events

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so how the fuck is he alive right now

neat juniper
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Classic vunders

lunar sky
noble scarab
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In universe self rez may be what broke death

ocean linden
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Could just be someone wearing his black coat

granite shard
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The black coat’s death was part of a fictionalized retelling of the twins’ origins so it was likely exaggerated by the author

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It’s also possible that he came back to life bc the land of the dead is kinda fucked up rn

amber harbor
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Also maybe he likes being revived and has nothing against the land of the dead being open, he just wants Finch/ the sculptor gone

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Or the murmurstones powers

hasty raven
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The Black Coat is half grunt. I'm telling you guys

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He only played dead when the twins got him

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That's why he wears so much coverage, to hide his infection and unhealed wounds

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Exactly like the woman from the Skinflint's winter event lore

rotund ferry
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could be true

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we have a hunter like that already

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one named Bennett Hudson

frozen drift
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Twins?

full sail
noble scarab
full sail
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oh i didn't get to 15 yet

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fair enough

real dove
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I think they wer just trying to limit the size of the hutners some

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size of the pacts*

white pasture
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Why retcon or change that lore?

frozen drift
white pasture
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They burned him and made knives from the flames. (I think).

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Lynch asserted he was dead. He's back alive because of that stupid black market shit.

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"It took all night to clean the blood from the floor. The twins burned the bodies in the fire of the forge, and in its heat they fashioned two identical knives that they would carry with them for the rest of their lives. When the first customer arrived, they did not hesitate to speak of the murder. In the face of a visit from a local lawman, Durant was handed the blame, and they were left alone. "

white pasture
real dove
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Dude. Yall need to realize... that's not written by Lynch. It's written by a 3rd party, who exaggerated parts since he was writing a book... and even then, we KNOW the land of the dead is not working properly right now, folks aren't staying dead anyway, so he could have just crossed back over. But it seems more likely he never actually died at this point, and that bit was added by Collins to add to the story of the Twins.

upbeat kiln
granite shard
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Do we just need a pinned post at this point saying bad as they seem is an in-universe fictional retelling of the lives of the twins lmfao

visual finch
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Do we know the name of The Captain?

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He's probably the same captain

granite shard
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That what I’m wondering

raw gust
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Is this guy the misogynists that Black Coat grand slammed (and then everybody clapped)?

real dove
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Oh yeah, I'd assume same dude

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Be odd to have a very prominant captain that's not him

white pasture
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The weapons in the story ARE the weapons they used...they are all well known by people still alive...

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@upbeat kiln yes. But like all the world sources is being interpreted by AHA scholars in the future piecing together the past.

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Unless all game lore not a valid source. It's not 100% accurate but the gist exists. The weapons forged from Black Coat exist...

granite shard
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How do you prove a weapon was forged from him lmfao. They have a weapon the twins forged, Collins could have embellished the “they made it from the black coat” for flair

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The fact of the matter is bad as they seem is not entirely reliable. There are already portions of it proven false (lynch did not personally kill Huff like she did in BATS)

pallid surge
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yo people who talk more in this channel than me, do yall know if Hunt lore says anything explicitly or infers anything about the condition of the rest of the United States after the zombie outbreak, or even more specifically anything about the areas with the rocky mountains/appalachian mountains?

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got an idea in my head about a map set in one of those mountain ranges with a wendigo boss, but idk if current lore is against that

white pasture
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@granite shard I literally quoted the passage about how the I'm game knife "blood oath" was made.

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Same with snake looking xbow,Rival "Allison"

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All those referenced in the flavor text reflect the details in various other lore.

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@pallid surge current lore is multiple dimensions exist and interact with earth on a regular basis.

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And various paranormal shit exists beyond the events in game.

pallid surge
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alright, well, ok

white pasture
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Mentions of an active "event" in New York, China (I think) and Cascade mountains

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At this same time of gamw

granite shard
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And here’s the actual in game lore that is not tainted by fictionalization 🙂
Yes, they made a knife. No, it does not have black coat as part of it

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What happened: they forged knives as part of their oath and Collins exaggerated for his retelling

edgy aspen
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The existence of the twins is not in question though.

granite shard
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No that’s not in question at all

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It’s just that specifically them killing the black coat in bad as they seem was exaggerated by the in-universe author

white pasture
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Specifically that story connects to the lore of all related shit involving them?

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From who they had sex with, to what weapons they prefer, to their relationship with Lynch

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Cannon

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estabslished elsewhere

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Thats flavor test for a weapon.

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Check out the other flavor that supports the "fictionalized" story.

granite shard
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Bad as they seem has canon contradictions within it 🙂 in it, lynch is the one who kills huff whereas researchers notes point out that she was unlikely the one to actually do it

white pasture
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In which the analyst says is shocking not in the authors style and is supported through other sources

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No, she did it.

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She wasnt alone...the other person there is a legendary

granite shard
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If Collins is that willing to take liberties with a large death, he’s certainly willing to add dramatic flair

white pasture
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yeah yeah, sorry fictionlized tale substantiated by dozens of other sources

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sooooo not too much fiction

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Dramatic flare except I believe its specifically mentioned that kinda shit was not his style

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Nor published right?

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Its being found by a historian investigating the events of past?

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And then has dozens of cross references verifying much of the shit in it.

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Allison Legendary skin : A sentimental Caldwell with an elegant design. Property of Jos McGowan and a gift from Alison Davis, given after the pair cashed in their first bounty.

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Allison is named as her fuck buddy in the fictional tale.

icy brook
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New Hunt lore retconning older new Hunt lore

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We’re entering phase 3 of the Huntverse

granite shard
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I am not denying that all of bad as they seem is fiction

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I am saying that it is a fictionalied retelling of the lives of the twins

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where it is not entirely reliable due to the fictionalization

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a major historical showing of that unreliability was the fact that while lynch was the one to kill huff in the text, the contemporary researcher notes that it was unlikely she was the one to do that herself and likely hired people to do it for her

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like you can keep complaining about retcons, but BATS has been shown to have taken liberties with the actual history since it was released

white pasture
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You failed to provide an example beyond a specific murder.

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And literally the base lore is littered with accounts that verify The Twins and Lynch's story.

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They existed. many events verified, many living know them. And there are straight up supernatural shit a bit more batty tham using human sacrifice to make weapons. An established thing.

#

Turns into a snake lady ffs

granite shard
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Okay cool, here’s another example of a specific murder: the black coat is alive!

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We’re obviously not going to change each other’s minds so I’m done arguing with you

white pasture
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Understood, facts are difficult to accept.

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Dude was burnt in a forge and made into weapons. Whatever nonsense now contradicts it because the current writers dont bother to read the previous shit is irrelevant

#

cool nobody can die, high magic everywhere, no cohesive narrative or world building

upbeat kiln
# white pasture <@326437804009848833> yes. But like all the world sources is being interpreted b...

It is our job, just like the modern researchers, to approach these sources with scrutiny. That is the basis of the storytelling constructed by the original narrative team. That is why the whole aspect of Hunt: Showdown's lore is so appealing, because sources vary; some are exaggerated, others factual, some are down-right wrong, and it is up to us - the readers - to collect the pieces, determine which source are reliable and complete the puzzle from those pieces.

full sail
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Yeah it could be an exaggeration of an actual event. Maybe they confronted black coat in some way and either got materials or money so they could forge these knives from "his blood" so to speak. And that got exaggerated to being literally made from him.

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It's not impossible that there are embellishments added to make it more exciting, especially if it's supposed to be a novel

edgy aspen
#

How much time do we figure went between the twins "killing" the Black Coat to when Lynch met the twins?

cloud arch
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What twins? The new bird people or the goat people? I thought the bird people were a couple. Seemed like In the trailer.

tall lava
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Twins go way back in the lore compared to the new bird peeps

uneven swallow
#

Good bye lore discussion

cloud arch
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Is the wiki correct with the lore is it all fan BS?

red spear
vapid ferry
#

There are a lot of cheaters floating around on servers these days, please check them. Hunt Team Thx

frozen drift
neat juniper
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Unless we are implying that cheaters are lore accurate

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Could lynch be considered a cheater?

noble scarab
#

if anyone chary is

minor valley
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🤓

neat juniper
#

Chary is, at most an exploiter

#

Ain't using any off-world programs

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Only the relevant to thr situation already unlocked knowledge for everyone else, used in an unexpected manner

granite shard
#

Chary would skirt the rules enough to not get totally banned

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Lynch cheated and got banned

neat juniper
#

I can't believe devs would ban lymch 😔

jovial gazelle
#

So, reading through here, what I've gleaned is that;

  • Shenanigans have upset the stability of the world, and whatever presence rules over the Dead has reached into its psychopath collection and thrown them back into the world of the living "Don't come back until you fix this mess."
  • Demented Pact being driven even more nuts by messing with forces they worship but can't truly comprehend.
  • Infernal Pact determiend to burn them out.
  • Mr Chary continues to make everything worse for his own gain.
cloud arch
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It’s all gonna come down to Cthulhu and Elder Gods/Great Old Ones I suspect from the lore I’ve looked into and playing the last two events. Not ACTUALLY Cthulhu but whatever the Hunt Universe version is of Lovecraftian horror. Mr Chary from what I suspect is this universe version of satan? Or someone like the old west version of the devil I guess?

jovial gazelle
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If you want to get into Lovecraftian stuff, he'd be Nyarlathotep. The shapeshifting Outer God of a Thousand Faces who causes nightmares and chaos, and relishes watching people destroy themselves.

cloud arch
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Ah good point! Yeah definitely something along those lines. I just don’t know where else it could go really especially with the Pact talk and The Sculptor stuff etc. sounds like eldritch horror to me.

jovial gazelle
#

I think Hunt has always walked an ambigious line between "Is it Demons? Is it Eldritch horror? Is it something else? 🤐 "

cloud arch
#

Ah also true. Guess we shall see. My little bird on the inside says to expect the unexpected so we shall see what the next event brings. I do wish they’d bring back the skins from the older ones somehow though. But that’s general talk.

jovial gazelle
#

Only other thing I took away from Sofia's letters is that the Bone Mason carries a pouch of crackers for emergencies, and that the Reaper is quite partial to them.

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Reaper: "I feel old memories... I feel my childhood again..."

Bone Mason: "You shoudl cherish your childhood. It is good to feel."

Reaper: "I never want to feel again..."

I suppose it would be pretty traumatising, to be disturbed from your Eternal Rest, back into a world of sensation, breath and pain.

cloud arch
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Imagine being the middle of a really good nap and then waking up from it. I’d be pisses too.

granite shard
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I don’t think I’d call chary the Devil or anything

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I’d say this event has made it fairly clear that he’s ultimately just some dude, but he’s managed to learn some magic

granite shard
jovial gazelle
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I suppose it's- from one angle- a case of the Bone Mason still mourning her son when Death brought her back, and Claeg- for a time- recalling that he had a mother, once.

granite shard
#

Their dynamic was just so charming

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Just like… idk, a lighter side to their characters to show that they are just people

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Claeg being all ): when he accidentally got blood on the bone mason’s bonnet/face was so sweet

icy brook
#

I’m sad that Phantom hasn’t been in any recent lore

cloud arch
granite shard
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I’m excited to hopefully see him pop up again in the future

#

Luv that weirdo with major daddy issues

white pasture
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@edgy aspen weeks to months

white pasture
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He's a random throw in by someone trying to make a Lynch inspired character and failing miserably.

#

This ain't supposed to be a world with literal Satan and shit. It's a setting in which dimensional travel occurs, spontaneously and via intent to countless places all filled with awful awful things

#

And we the weirdos farming the beasties for cash and power.

buoyant crystal
#

If Shubnigurath didnt have a description of its young I would have thought the Sculpture would be connected

raw hollow
#

Can someone explain the lore in 10 words

cloud arch
paper geyser
real dove
#

^ that's pretty accurate

neat juniper
#

That is pretty accurate

real dove
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I wanna come up with something better but... i can't. that's is. that's the whole game.

foggy crescent
#

is there a video of someone reading the chapters from all of the events

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i need something to listen to at work

real dove
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@granite shard didn't you make a vid with them all?

granite shard
cloud arch
granite shard
cloud arch
buoyant crystal
paper geyser
#

I love the idea that the hunters were given like, a week, to get the bounty, and just everyone put it off until the last hour

echo laurel
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Lmfao

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All the hunters:

green pollen
#

isn't it cause people just assume if your in the deadzone for more than an hour then you just die?

#

or that you've been killed

real dove
#

yeah. Regardless of the innoc, you get sick the longer you spend there- that's why tier 2/3 hunters look all banged up and covered in sores

jovial gazelle
#

Considering how this Tide ends, what sort of fresh hell will the next Tide bring in?

slim star
still quest
#

Basically, without it you start turning into a grunt slowly while you’re still alive.

#

One of the lore diaries explained it in the weapon library

#

Lynch conducts human sacrifice to lure demons into the real world, she then captured the demon and mutilated it, using its remains to make the various potions and shots in game.

#

It looks like after lynch murdered huff jones, and the twins chased lynch into the land of the dead, finch assumed duties of the AHA until chary wormed his way in and slowly took duties from finch while finch ran off doing his own thing. Now the AHA is charys experimental playground.

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Until the events of traitors moon, when you see other people fighting back against him (Kevin, then others).

real dove
#

AHA is pretty much shot- Finch sent out a memo at the end of DM calling for aid but saying it was pretty much pointless, as the AHA is in tatters, at least in louisiana. Chary seemed to split the AHA in half in DM- Finch had the grounded, while Chary had the infernal, until Kevin messed him up and he retreated to the LotD.

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Grounded (to me) was the AHA pact in the sense that they were just there to get work done, not really picking sides. the fact we don't have it and the appearance of a grounded trait as a permanent world found trait to me points to the AHA being mostly done- will see what they do going forwards with the story however.

neat juniper
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AHA does appear to be scattered all over bayou with no centralized command and not a single common goal between it's remains as of recently

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Which, as you pointed out, can be found in shadow just kinda hanging around

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Although it could just as well be pointing towards the fact that neutrality as an option is unavailable anymore

#

Conflict has grown past being able to keep it, yadyada

granite shard
#

I think canonically the infernal pact was the AHA pact

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like a mix of people loyal to the AHA and those loyal to chary

neat juniper
#

No, that was chary and co

granite shard
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bc he was still the AHA admin at the time

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which is why I feel like we saw people like the researcher in that group

neat juniper
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Sheriff is our best bet as for average AHA affiliate, and i believe neither him nor researcher(who isn't aha if i remember correctly) were infernal

granite shard
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(I want to say it was the infernal pact hunter DLC bundle that mentioned that it was a mix of the loyalists for the AHA and chary followers)

#

researcher was infernal in the DLC bundle

neat juniper
#

Oh ye
Bundle

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Good point

#

I forgot it existed

granite shard
#

BB hunters we didn't get to see in a bundle so no clue abt hardin, but I don't recall seeing him in the grounded pact trailer end scene

#

which showed all of the grounded hunters so I think it's safe to assume he was infernal

#

as for grounded I think that they are more neutral in the AHA schism and are more focused on the actual bayou itself

neat juniper
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True, true
If i believe my memory descriptions stated outright that grounded is pact of neutrality

granite shard
#

yeah, like in DM the archeologist was flat out like I do not give a fuck about who started the fires all I care about is that they're destroying valuable historical records and also the land

still quest
#

Grounded seems interested in keeping shit from getting worse. In that sense, the death pact have continued that mission

granite shard
#

continued it and then potentially fucked it up 😂

#

(I think chary's portal to the land of the dead was always going to have bad effects but it seems like destroying the murmurstone has made things worse, but we'll see in the next event)

still quest
#

Hard to know. Murmur stone seemed to amplify the influence of the sculptor, seen with how feral the demented were getting.

#

Breaking it may have opened a path to the other side, but may have weakened the sculptor’s grip.

#

So much of the lore is buried in unknown and unseen forces.

real dove
#

THat's why IMO grounded AND infernal in DM were AHA, with there being Chary's AHA and those who were just after profits. Finch to me seemed to be grasping at straws trying to keep everything going at the end of DM, and finally decide it wasn't worth it anymore to play fairly.

#

profits/wanted to keep folks from going bonkers more than they were. lol

still quest
#

It sounds like chary killed finch in ToC.

real dove
#

yes

still quest
#

I wonder if he’ll try to fish Lynch out of the land of the dead

real dove
#

Finch or Chary?

#

I suspect Lynch and Chary would not be friends

neat juniper
#

I meaan

real dove
#

But would love to see an event with each of them fduking it out

#

Lynch would have Phantom and Gar

neat juniper
#

Is there anything to support this suspicion?
Lynch was pretty anti sculptor
And chary is officially doing it all for anti sculptor

still quest
real dove
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Both (to me) are self serving, so yes, they could try to use each other, but I think they'd end up fighting it out

#

Both are clearly more powerful than the normal human/Hunter. Lynch is very Anti-Sculptor, while Chary to me was more trying to control the sculptor's power over killing it

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Which is why seeing them both amass their own little pacts to fight it out would be cool

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ESP if CHary seeks out the twins to help bring Lynch down.

still quest
#

The twins last I read were looking for Finch

neat juniper
#

Did we ever see lynch actually using other people in any capacity other than giving away hunter serum tho?

real dove
#

using?

neat juniper
#

Like
That fella don't strike me as a pact builder, unow

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A funny lil' creature

#

But not a cooperation

still quest
real dove
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Oh she totally is- the ohantom lore confirms she recruits

#

phantom

neat juniper
#

Oh i see

real dove
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She was trying to recruit Phantom's father before he did a patricide, and she offered him his arm as a peace offering

#

Gar also owes her her life

#

(Still think Enola is hiding out in gar but to be seen if Enola is gone forever)

neat juniper
#

Fair fair

#

I didn't know about it

real dove
#

I can only think of those 2 of the top of my head, but Lynch could totally be a pact lead if needed (fingers crossed)

neat juniper
#

That would be pretty pogchamp, i agree

real dove
#

Actually, she recruits/tries to recruit in BATS too... that chick waiting to meet Huff

#

Nadine? ugh I goota go look now lol

#

nellie crown

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Not that, as we've said here, BATS can be taken at face value lol

#

but she def could roll up with a crew. I know quite a few folkses would be ecstatic if she returned at the head of a pact at some point. Esp if she and CHary duke it out for control of the swamps n such

neat juniper
#

It would be pretty funny if they duke it out and then some random like idk
Weldman just pulls up and takes control of all chaos ridden lands

loud steeple
#

The timeline of the lore makes no sense to me

#

How is black coat still alive

#

The twins killed him

#

And if the twins didn’t kill the black coat yet they they couldn’t have helped finch rise to power

neat juniper
#

Resurrection

still quest
loud steeple
#

In this events story chapters it says he’s alive

noble scarab
#

Timelines fucked tbh

#

We have all three moon trilogies occurring at roughly the same time plus tide of shadows at the same time

still quest
#

Rat and Kid are both dead right?

noble scarab
#

The rat more so than the the kid

#

I mean the kid got shot and eaten by the swamp but the rat got her soul turned into rain

real dove
#

Once more, for those in the back- Can't take the event of the Twins as 100% accurate

#

Land of the Dead is also all kinds of wack rn, so could also explain hunters who have died returning to hunt among the living.

echo laurel
#

Draugr

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Draugr hunters

real dove
#

I mean... Rev is def not alive alive, dude has a big ass hole in his chest

echo laurel
#

He’s

#

Not dead

noble scarab
#

We need a scale of death

cloud arch
#

I mean there’s zombies and revenants, bunch of “Harry Potter” magic to quote a homereel video so the concept of “death” is probably irrelevant

granite shard
#

I think in terms of dead hunters, the least likely to come back is going to be the Rat since her soul got dispersed into rain

then in the "potential to come back since they died in a period when the doors to the land of the dead are fucked" group would be the skinned & the kid

and then a "probably dead? the death pact shot up the scene" category are the Legally Distinct Private Detectives Who Are Not Part Of The Pinkerton Agency, black coat, and devil's advocate

and then finally "wasn't given the full 'Billy Story' name but is implied that he was the one who Sofia killed" category is billy story

#

man shout out to sofia for having a hand in wiping out a good portion of the potentially dead hunter roster 😂

#

hornback didn't die on screen like the skinned did but she did get caught up in concertina so she might be dead? if so she's in the same category as the skinned & the kid

echo laurel
#

Reptilian lives 🐊💯

rare dirge
# granite shard

I like the “might have gotten banished with rotjaw” category

#

Though I thought she was badly hurt and banished rotjaw and got the restoration effect so I assumed she lived

granite shard
#

Yeah I don’t think she died there

#

I think the gar’s still alive and kicking but her status is vague rn 😂😂

noble scarab
#

she was dying, but she basically stated she had death cheat, but i think she intended to be banished with rotjaw rather than do the restoration thing

cloud arch
#

Man I hope they bring back Billy as twitch drop again someday. Was a total idiot and missed it both times. Billy needs a solo story arc. You can’t have Daniel day Lewis in this game and NOT give him a small arc narrative or something

granite shard
#

Billy came back last year (or early this year? Time is fake) so I doubt he’ll return again any time soon tbh

still quest
#

His quest line was available during last September’s twitch drops. And the quest was active for a full year

#

Sorry homie, but don’t expect him back soon

#

I would love a Charlie Salter quest line with him as the grand prize. William Salter had such cool lore, and they teased the brother a while back.

untold blaze
still quest
granite shard
#

I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s still alive but yeah he’s presumably dead

#

Devil’s advocate just wanted to RP as rotjaw pensive_cowboy pensive_cowboy

wraith cove
# granite shard

I thought the black coat was killed by the twins a long time ago

neat juniper
white pasture
#

Or burned to ashes

neat juniper
#

Or burned to ashes

wraith cove
#

Could it be that black coat is more a title then a person

neat juniper
#

Highly unlikely

wraith cove
#

Surprised we dont have any hunters that have that as their lore gimic

neat juniper
#

Whiteshirts?

loud steeple
#

I dont think we really have whiteshirt lore other than that sheriff harden was taking them out into the bayou and found them to be pretty shit at hunt

neat juniper
#

We need whiteshirts lore

rotund ferry
real dove
#

Nah, it's the same dude. Just can't take BATS as hard truth.

real dove
#

but at the same time, there is a reason the white shirts are tier 1 and (ime) rarely survive more than 1-2 fights

buoyant crystal
#

My head canon is either its a messed up joke or a tradition for Rookie Hunters to wear a white shirt. A new hubter is told that monsters have a hard time seeing the color white or something to get them killed and just a right of passage that they made it out with the most out of place color going against the odds.

neat juniper
#

Possible, possible

#

Or they just look at wildly successful hunter redshirt and think it's not that important

dense roost
#

hi hi

does anyone know why they changed Teche Wraith's name from Gabriel Mora to Francois Broussard?

red spear
echo laurel
white pasture
#

@rotund ferry that we know his name also refutes it....

#

Skin flint does sell identities of dead hunters though...

#

@buoyant crystal there is lore about swapping out the white shirt

noble scarab
#

it looks like they charged his dlc description too

#

did they change the exile's name too?

buoyant crystal
red spear
real dove
#

LOL

granite shard
#

The new hunter is the captain of the Delphine confirmed

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#

I’m really curious to see how this plays into the next event

#

My theory rn is that there will be a large narrative portion in the LotD

neat juniper
#

Hot

#

The situation

grizzled pilot
neat juniper
#

Not the man

granite shard
#

I’m really interested bc I think the lore is taking place in his second turn in the land of the dead (a cane through brain induced visit)

grizzled pilot
#

Didnt finish the new lore but isnt he just tossed around and made fun of for being a loser the entire time?

real dove
#

In ToS he's just a drunk

#

before he jumps off the boat

grizzled pilot
#

Ye thats what l mean
Kinda weird to make a dlc for him

real dove
#

I'm cool with it, gives us more lore on the LOD

#

and confirms that hunters can come back via it

#

tho i have a hard time saying he's really "come back" lol

#

dude sounds... quite not okay

buoyant crystal
#

Same its not a bad Hunter skin either. Maybe he will return in the story in a big way. Maybe he will find something in the Bayou that wants to prey on his continues downfall

neat juniper
real dove
#

lol. I imagine getting eaten "alive" (?) and then vomited back into human shape and stitched together by forsaken souls would not be good for mental health

neat juniper
#

Yeeee

real dove
#

As far as we know, dude yeeted himself off the boat, drowned/ended up in the LOD, got his booty smooshed in via Chary and his cane, then came back once more?

neat juniper
#

Ain't staying down

real dove
#

I'm lowkey curious about this forsaken soul

#

that put his head back on his body

#

Gender neutral forsaken soul

neat juniper
#

I meean
It might be a stand in for vodoo doctor(or whatever name is)

#

We have seen revenant being revived by 'em

real dove
#

Mmmmm doubt tho. could be, but doubt. Bone Doc is pretty MIA, but could show up.

steady umbra
#

have not fully interpreted the lore but from what i can gather mr chary is another entry in the long line of "dont trust frenchmen" storyline of history

neat juniper
#

True, true

neat juniper
real dove
#

I feel all of hunt can be shoved into "Don't Trust...."

#

including my own self

neat juniper
#

Do trust not

#

Be not trusting

real dove
#

recalls times I ran into traps I put down myself

steady umbra
#

specifically to people with french surnames

real dove
#

The enemy was I all along

#

but yea

neat juniper
#

Perhaps the real enemy were the friends we made along the way

#

flashback to being dynamited three times in a row

#

They weren't even aiming at me, they just didn't cooperate very well 😭

real dove
#

I've tossed tina bombs on my crew

neat juniper
#

Happens to the best of us 😔

real dove
#

not on purpose by when I say, "hey, don't go in there" they seem to do exactly that

#

"back up back up back up!" runs forward

neat juniper
#

...i do have to say i am guilty of both of those accusations

#

They say not to go there, it's trapped
They ping it

real dove
#

my whole crew is secretly whiteshirts

neat juniper
#

And i instantly go over to see what was pinged

real dove
#

Oh its so bad with our crew that in the Hunt DnD I DM, we have a curse literally called "The Law Of Jack" where hunters are instantly teleported onto any set traps within 25f of them because said buddy ALWAYS hits traps we have set, even if pinged & shown the trap with his own eyes

neat juniper
#

Ah
Classic jack 😔

real dove
#

but all three of us do it. The best part is when they're like Bad spot for a trap!!! but like... you ran into it. so clearly it good. you just special.

#

but anyway. Captain barnacle vomit. very good.

neat juniper
#

Yee

#

Also looks a bit like jotaro
Will be useful in roleplaying

clear mortar
#

I remember ages ago asking who the captain was that was talked about during the tide of shadows events and now we're getting him as hunter

#

Very happy

granite shard
#

Was the captain the helmsman talked abt the same as the Delphine captain?

#

Since the helmsman chapters’ captain was seemingly killed by a rowboat and the Delphine’s captain was alive and kicking in chary’s chapters in tide of corruption (up until he wasn’t lol)

earnest jungle
#

In regards to Black Coat my stance on the issue remains: either the writers for this story didn’t know the Black Coat was dead, or the Black Coat cane back from the dead and nobody mentioned this for some inexplicable reason

#

Because the death of the Black Coat at the hands of the Twins wasn’t just something that happened in the books, it’s referenced in the Dark Sight Trailer alongside the birth of the first Immolator Father Jeremiah.

agile fable
granite shard
#

Like my doylist stance is that it’s likely that the initial intent was that he was meant to be dead, but I don’t think a retcon (tho is it really a retcon if it had never been confirmed as fact?) in this case here makes previous stories weaker.

The watsonian argument of “bad as they seem is something that still requires to be taken w grains of salt” I think continues to be more interesting as it makes you have to think more about the material and cross reference researchers notes to see what’s been confirmed as in-universe fact vs what events haven’t

granite shard
#

But like as for the lore stuff, I think a big factor at play here is also the fact that the lore now has a different scope. Previously, it was a lot of disjointed stories being told more to build an atmosphere than to tell a cohesive story

#

People are more interested in the legendary hunters, and there’s more focus on developing them as we’ve seen first w the DLC pages having longer form biographies, and now with there being voice acted in-game journal entries & out-of-game trailers

#

The writers likely saw an opportunity to bring a pretty popular hunter back into larger relevance while it still not being entirely out of the question due to the lore entry in which he died being a fictionalized retelling of the twins lives

earnest jungle
#

I get all of that but sometimes it feels like the new lore is coming at the expense of the old lore and those stories that first really got me into the game’s lore to begin with are being cast by the wayside

granite shard
#

But at the same time, we’re seeing stuff from the old lore being brought up

#

Like lynch has been brought into play for the first time in years at the end of the rotjaw lore

#

Like 100% yes the new lore has taken over in prevalence with chart

#

Chary*

#

But idk I think they just need time to continue being able to weave the ties together

earnest jungle
#

Sometimes though it just feels like they don’t care about weaving the stories together at all what with the fact Tide of Shadows chronology has to take place after the Devil’s Moon Trilogy and As Bad as They Seem, but also takes place during July of 1895.

granite shard
#

The timeline is an issue

#

Imo I think they need to push BATS to the end of 1894, moon trilogy to Q1/2 1895, and then keep tides as is

#

Like yeah they’d have to touch other times for things that huff was involved in but that sort of timeline adjustment isn’t that big of a deal if it means they’re doing it for a purpose

earnest jungle
#

Nah the Tide Trilogy should have been set in 1896, everything in Devil’s Moon felt like it was setting up for that transition.

granite shard
#

I disagree. This feels like it’s more setting up for the year transition

#

Like the move to 1896 is going to be a big deal and I think the next tide event is going to be what pushes us into it since corruption is in nov

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(The insistence on keeping things in 1895 until now is kinda baffling to me I will say)

earnest jungle
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Devil’s Moon marks the end of the AHA as an organization. At the very end of the story Linus sends out letters calling on Hunters to join his Lunar Pact and fight the corruption that the AHA has lost control of. Finch at the same time officially disbands the Louisiana Branch. Thematically speaking it feels more fitting for the story to take place in around New Years given the association between that holiday with endings and new beginnings. Plus there is an explicit reference to Auld Lang Syne that now just feels kind of silly for an event that presumably is meant to take place in June or July of 1895 due to the wonky time line

granite shard
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I could argue that Devil’s moon having the collapse of the AHA would actually make more sense for the beginning of 1895. A good chunk of the prior lore had been setting up the fracturing of the AHA so being like “as of the start of the year of canon, shit entirely hit the fan” works really well

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We get the history as to why things went so bad, and then the consequences

dense roost
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does anyone know why they changed Teche Wraith's name from Gabriel Mora to Francois Broussard?

have they said anything about it? can't seem to find any info online

granite shard
dense roost
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I sent them a msg on ig asking, no answer 😦

white pasture
white pasture
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@granite shard AHA can't fully collapse. They pay the bounties, initiate fodder etc

silver cargo
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I just caught up on event lore

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do you reckon they're teasing another wild target?

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and with ||finch being taken out of the picture|| , I guess the only "silver bullet" that remains so to speak ||is the vial of blood?||

silver cargo
neat juniper
silver cargo
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I see

loud steeple
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Legendary hunters not dying is confirmed in the bloodlines video

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It’s what makes them legendary

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And the different tiers of buyable hunters are basically how good they are/how long they’ve lived in the hunt

white pasture
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They used to die...

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Head cannon is that most legendaries were old guard trained, not afflicted with the disease all the Hunters who take the new serum have or successfully got a well spring.

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T3 Hunters are literally rotting and its not just physical.

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They even set up Skinflint to explain that he takes dead Hunters identities and transfers them to other Hunters for vaguely defined reasons.

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Think that's more for the t1-t3 naming schemes though

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Resurrection (even before necro) was explained to be a magical ability. But based on various stories was pretty limited and difficult and likely couldn't be used anywhere or on anyone.

strong oyster
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dope that they're adding the captain as a playable hunter

untold blaze
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I like how he looks, think I’m gonna cop him when I’m not broke

real dove
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I too enjoy seeing him come in, lil odd that he's coming in as a dlc and not as part of the last event, this one, or the next but super cool to get him after he's been mentioned so much

noble scarab
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I’m assuming he spent some time in the land of the dead before chary and the infernal pact found him

granite shard
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I think this is from his tide of corruption land of the dead stint

white pasture
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Look at him...

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Safe bet

noble scarab
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once again the timeline doesnt add up quite right and the details from the event are mismatched with the description. in tide of shadows we have him jumping ship, and thats presumably when he ends up like he is, then he's found by chary and co, but no mention is made of him being dead or undead or anything. then later chary kills him again, or is this first time he's died, who knows?

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or can you even kill a sea zombie by stabbing it through the eye? after all they did sew his head back on

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i just think that surely someone in the infernal pact would've mentioned that kinda thing

neat juniper
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Opinion on there being hunt multiverse with multiple parallel timelines?
Perhaps the blackcoat found a way to traverse into ours

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I mean
Clearly sculptor is here because it is sculpting our ingame timeline to be whatever piece of art it tries to make

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Who's to say an artist has to work on only one project at a time

rotund ferry
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I just hate when lore delves into a multiverse/multiple timelines thing to like try to make things make sense lazily

neat juniper
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..fair

rotund ferry
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but if that was the case

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wouldn’t that just make the sculptor unstoppable and everything meaningless

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you’d think they’d just band together and dominate every scenario

neat juniper
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Sometimes pottery breaks

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And ends up not being what potter tried to make

rotund ferry
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unless there’s like good sculptors out there

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that would be something interesting maybe

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i really do hope there’s more gaps filled in soon though

neat juniper
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Can't wait either

rotund ferry
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feels like a lot of holes in certain characters

neat juniper
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👍SmugEddy

rotund ferry
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like you think they’re dead and then like

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“hey guys im back lol”

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like we know they can come back to life

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but like which method was used

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would love some lore on this new captain fella too

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guessing we’ll see more about him in the next event

neat juniper
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I mean
We have plenty
Just nothing of the matter

rotund ferry
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yeah

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would be nice to have things tied together

neat juniper
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We have a sculptor and now we need a threader

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A tailor, perhaps

rotund ferry
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so true

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the tailor about to make suits for all the hunters

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🙏

neat juniper
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Skins for the god of skin

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ACTUALLY

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@rotund ferry
DO YOU KNOW WHO TIES THINGS GOOD?

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SAILORS

rotund ferry
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😭

neat juniper
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And we got one coming right up

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It's all coming together

rotund ferry
cloud arch
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Isn’t there a moon god? Maybe there’s a god of the tide or ocean or something .

neat juniper
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But that's semantics

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I am certain there will be god of ocean and maybe even of tide

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But tide is also controlled by moon irl, so maybe they'll go with split domains

red spear
rotund ferry
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who knows, there’s still time

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we got one more event as part of this trilogy to come

earnest jungle
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Something made quite clear is that time isn’t linear in the land of the dead, a couple days could be an eternity and an eternity could be a couple days.

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It’s entirely possible that the time between chary killing the Captain and his subsequent resurrection was enough to make him what he is in the DLC

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This is actually something that kind of holds over from the older lore, where banishing a clue plunger the hunter into an eternity of torment followed by a vision of the boss through its own eyes all taking place in the span of an instant.

real dove
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We don't really have "gods" so much as beings rn... I have a hard time calling the moon a god as she was being overtaken by Chary and had to enlist Kevin in order to bap him. The Sculptor's influence is also... kinda? mitigated via Lynch's innoc, so it's not omnipowerful either. Not to mention the moon kept it to just the swamps. I'd prefer they dont bring in too many eldritch beings honestly, it confuses stuff more than it already is. I do hope they expand on what is going on tho next event (not that I doubt they won't, esp with the captain coming in as a DLC), and REALLY hope we see Lynch return

neat juniper
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^

real dove
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on the same thought, I both want to see more of the sculptor and also want it to remain unknown. They've retconned or removed a lot of the OG stuff- multiple sculptors through time, whatever "the Sundering" was, etc... so unsure if the Sculptor is an actual malevolent being, or it's just something that happens to spread pestilence via it's presence... would love to see someone seeking out why it's come here, why hunters can come back after death/burning/etc round to round, as well as some kind of official explanation for having the same hunter on a map multiple times... cause I imagine redshirt would do the spiderman meme if he ran into himself out there

neat juniper
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Bring back the researcher and give him a new peak

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I agree

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Researcher already had contact with
Less malevolent aspects of pestilence, the assassin that is

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He didn't even try to understand anything he was just like
"Oh, my friend can turn into bugs?
Welp, time to lead a hunt team to kill 'em :>"

real dove
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Agreed. Hunt's whole thing (as far as Iknew) was that we are actually in present day,reading back on what happened in the past

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so like... the idea is there. bring back Black

white pasture
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@noble scarab it's almost like they just haphazardly write stuff without putting any effort at making it coherent. You have read the other "trilogy" yeah?

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Present day, no. But after the Louisiana Event is resolved yes. Harold Black didn't realize the assassin was his friend till he encountered the Assassin in the bayou.

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Which was years after he had last seen his friend.

white pasture
upbeat kiln
neat juniper
real dove
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lol prolly

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But same could be said for quite a few of our hunters...

neat juniper
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1890's, amirite boys

cunning pollen
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Darktide posting 🫨

pallid sail
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oh FUCK I POSTED IT IN THE WRONG DISCORD

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LMAO

hasty raven
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first boss mastery

image.png
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yippee

neat juniper
granite shard
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let's gooo!!

mint wind
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I wonder, do we still have interrogations about the timeline regarding the events, or has it been sorted out ?

neat juniper
mint wind
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Since with the little thought I had for it, it wasn't conflicting Thinkachu

neat juniper
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What's the thought?

mint wind
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Chary finding out about the moon's curse, then fighting Kevin and mastering the ability to revive, thus going into the LoD to retrieve the stone (and Rotjaw), but it got taken by the demented.

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To make it very short.

neat juniper
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If anything, it would be taken by death pact
No?

mint wind
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Well, the axe belongs to the Demented pact.

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Like most of the ToC legendaries.

neat juniper
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Fair

mint wind
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Chary brought the stone, back, but as the trailers showcased, he lost it and it got into other hands.

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Remember the little trailer with the 2 hunters dying in the next one ? They found the stone in a crate.

granite shard
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yeah I don't think the death pact ever had their hands on the murmurstone

neat juniper
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OH THE STONE WAS RETRIEVED

granite shard
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I think finch was the one to kick off the quest to get the delphine into the land of the dead

neat juniper
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I was thinking revival technique was

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Nvm

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Ignore me

granite shard
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lmao no worries

neat juniper
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Ye no, stone was, in fact, retrieved by dementeds

mint wind
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That's when we actually learnd the stone was back in the overworld.

granite shard
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yeah I think the path of hands was:

  1. nobody, just chilling in the land of the dead
  2. delphine (commissioned by finch)
  3. butcher's cleaver
  4. infernal pact
  5. chary (handed by the infernals)
  6. destroyed (ish)
mint wind
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But then, since people thought the events were being weird with the timeline, I actually think it's going solid.

granite shard
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I think the timeline between moon/tides is fine, it's just how they intersect w previous lore

languid prism
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Stupid question

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But

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How do the pacts tie into the overall lore of the game

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Are they like (obviously) factions operating in the bayou for their own interests

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Because I noticed certain legendary hunters are automatically pledged to them

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(I’m semi new to the game so forgive me for not knowing the lore extensively or well enough)

noble scarab
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before the lunar events the AHA was divided by faction, but now that the AHA has more or less fallen, pacts have replaced those original bonds

languid prism
noble scarab
# languid prism So like the AHA had a civil war?

more or less, all of the factions kinda hated each other and were greedy, which is why hunters originally fought each other. the original leader, Huff, was murdered, so command fell to his friend Finch, Finch ran the place for a bit before things got worse. Then Chary stepped up to replace both Finch and Huff. Chary kinda came out of nowhere, but he was a powerful occultist seeking power. Chary ran the organization into the ground in his search for power. This lead to the creation of the pacts, and then Chary was ousted from control. Finch took back over for a short time before deciding that the AHA was done with, so he left.

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which leaves the AHA leaderless and broken

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meaning that no-one is paying out bounties unless its some private buyer

languid prism
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Interesting

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Never knew the lore was like that deep

noble scarab
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it gets a bit deeper too but lately has been kinda muddled

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the time line is a bit more of a circle than a line

earnest jungle
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It’s more like a knot than a circle

near leaf
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the game is already around 5 years old. new patent for pistol around 1900s are mostly semi auto. if dev allows the disease to spread to other state, we could expand the lore and probably have snow map.

austere goblet
near leaf
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btw, the new ship captain skin looks interesting.....probably he will play a role in the next event assuming he has experience sailing with delphine

granite shard
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He was part of this event! And yeah he will likely have relevance in the next one

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He’s the captain of the Delphine so he was also part of the first event

near leaf
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eh, i believe the captain died in this event....not sure where i read it but it is clear that he died

real dove
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dude has died 2x so far

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once via drowning, once via cane

visual finch
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the captain right now

real dove
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The lack of sealife on him dissapoints me

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he should have looked like one of the POTC crew from squid man's crew

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DAVY JONES

languid prism
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Captains just built different

real dove
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yeah, dude is made up of a stitched on head and a banacle vomit body. I'd call that built different lol

granite shard
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like maybe the stuff could have taken place in his first visit after he jumped overboard, but I think his DLC lore is abt his second stint in the land of the dead

real dove
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mmm delicious. land of the dead inflicted scoliosis. Poor dude.

noble scarab
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looking at the dlc for him, he does have 1 eye that is clearly injured, so i'd say the dlc version is after his second death

granite shard
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this is how the kid can still win--

real dove
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Petition to call LOD Kid FishStick if he's got netting and fishbones on him

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but also, I'd love a variation of Kid that's been LOD-ified

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please crytek

granite shard
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I feel like he wouldn't be all nautical coming back

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I think it would be more likely to see barbed wire and stuff

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actually what would be interesting is if the land of the dead experience is tailored to the person who's there

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and his is filled w fire

silver cargo
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I'm done with all the story chapters

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So is the next event going to be ||Tide of Desolation|| ?

granite shard
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probs yeah

languid prism
languid prism
real dove
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Yeah, yeeted himself off the boat, then got caned by Chary

granite shard
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I don't know if he died there? he jumped off the boat but he prob didn't die

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I think he somehow got out of the land of the dead after abandoning ship-- he was w the smugglers in ToS (presumably? idk why they'd have two separate captains without doing anything else to differentiate them)

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but yea second trip into the land of the dead, first being delphine, second being cane to the brain

real dove
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fair. It sounded like he drowned in one of the bits, so i assumed he had drowned after the Yeet

granite shard
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he nearly dies like ten times 😂

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man's a cockroach

real dove
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that's Victor's thing

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lol

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He's one of those anemone pests that only need like 1 stem cell in a lopped off part to regrow a whole new body

earnest jungle
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Based on the account of the events in Tide of Shadows from the Navigator. Captain Lafitte abandoned his ship prior to their arrival in the land of the dead.

languid prism
granite shard
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also are you sure that the captain abandoned ship before arriving in the land of the dead?

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maybe it was in the middle ground he jumped out but they deffo weren't in kansas anymore when he left

earnest jungle
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Pretty certainm, the very next entry some four hours later is when they finally reach the land of the dead

Evidence_the_Captain_Abandoned_ship.png
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At first they think they have reached the eye of the hurricane, and that the flooding has altered the topography so they cannot recognize where they have gone

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Indicating that the captain abandoned his ship, during the storm before they reached the land of the dead

granite shard
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might be the transitional area he abandons ship at?

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I don't think he's fully in the land of the living at the point he jumps out, the wall of bugs & river of bodies doesn't feel like it's still the regular area

real dove
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Oh he for sure jumps out in the land of the dead (imo). I'll have to find the section where it sounded like he'd drowned doing that

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Could be dude.got lucky somehow and made it to shore... Only to get Chary-ed

real dove
# languid prism Who’s Chary

Orville Chary, ex-administrator of the Aha, was trying to take over the moon, had been kinda a pain in the booty for folks here to hunt and only hunt but has his moments... Lawful evil if you would

frozen drift
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Isn’t he a sort of frenemy to Elwood finch?

granite shard
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yeah

languid prism
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LOL

granite shard
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Wasn’t rly taking over the moon, but he was doing black magic that was killing it as a byproduct

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And the moon picked a kid to be her champion and stop chary from killing her

real dove
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27 year old child that is kevin

spice turtle
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servers are so fucking broken holy

noble scarab
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our boy kev that died, and died again, and again. then was never mentioned again

noble scarab
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New short story, goes absolutely nowhere and doesn’t give us any new insight

cloud arch
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Off the captain topic for a sec(cool we have undead Uncle Sam now) a snow map is never going to happen unless they give some lore dump of messing with the weather making it snow. Wonder how many hunt players would get mad a blizzard makes less visibility and complain about it like the rain

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I’d love to see a Colorado Rockies snow map something The Great Silence like or what have you but I’m not getting my hopes up.

granite shard
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And what better way to show off their fancy upgraded engine than having snow lol

granite shard
mint wind
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It's already known that the corruption happens elsewhere in the world. Louisiana is the ground 0 tho, and it's not impossible somewhere else in USA there's another outbreak worthy for the Hunters to go fight there.

real dove
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Trying to pick out the crew... big man in black supposed to be Reaper for Death Pact? or Wormy? Obv Chary is there. Not sure who the woman is... since the only Demented Pact woman I know (off the top of my dumb brain) is the Widow

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And somehow I really doubt she's still with it enough to 1, not murder chary immediately and 2, have a polite conversation

granite shard
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I don't think they're any legendary hunters we already know

real dove
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yeah, bone boy seemed new

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but I do love his concept

granite shard
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bone doctor minus skull mask plus black coat's bandanna 😂

real dove
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dunoou.

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I'd like to see someone covered in a bone cloak

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be dope

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sounded like blackcoat until i got the bone part

granite shard
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yea

real dove
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and BC isnt death pact

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so... idk. kinda a odd lore drop

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maybe people we will see in the future or incoming DLCs?

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seems odd to have Chary with 2 normi hunters

granite shard
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I don't think that's chary

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I think they're just like mean to boil down to the basics of the pacts

real dove
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dude not covered in mud, looking like he doesn't belong? idk, that screams chary to me

granite shard
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I think if it was chary we’d be told that. Nobody else lines up to characters we know so I don’t think they’d randomly include chary there

real dove
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mmmm shall see. I suspect since they didnt name the others, they wouldn't name him but can agree to disagree on this :). I think we may see the bone man eventually, he doesn't sound like anyone we have and the amount of description makes me think he's not just a random. his charm is a knucklebone... idk. shall see. or not 🙂

earnest jungle
neat juniper
real dove
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lol but also, the pogo stick was invented in 1919. love the mental image of this tho

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new boss is a slinky snake

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kill it by dropping it down stairs

neat juniper
real dove
#

Things I now really want to see (even for april fools): yellow scrapbeak mode with googly eyes, tiny paper crown on rotjaw, clown sledge that deals 1 damage and makes a squeaky sound when it impacts, and a roaming snake boss that just sproings around hissing angrily

neat juniper
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I firmly believe clown sledge would absolutely slap when combined with sporkle poison

real dove
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Oh and fireworks flare

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confetti flare second place

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Sporkle poison lol make it pink and glittery. Perfume bomb.

neat juniper
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That will end badly

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Spider will update it's poison banks

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Just imagine the horror of being bit by spider once while it is in frenzy

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And now you are constantly sparkling in the dark

worn kayak
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so... kid is basically dead in lore of event. pretty sad, one of my favorite hunter died in such cruel way, but i guess that`s hunt for you

granite shard
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it's possible he's coming back in the next event

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the land of the dead is fucky rn and the entirety of the death pact seems to have died and come back to life (also the captain of the delphine came back but that was directly from the murmurstone being destroyed)

cloud arch
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Kid died ages ago right?
Edit: “earlier this year” seeing as how, for whatever reason, it’s perpetually 1895. Ugh. Should at be 1899 or something. I understand peoples gripes about semi auto guns the closer we get to 1900s, but we have a mouser already and the automat (fuck the spelling) with terrible recoup so semi auto guns are a non issue….just give me the savage 1907 please lol

granite shard
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He died during the event, butcher’s cleaver emptied a shotgun into his face

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It’s confirmed we’re entering 1896 in the next map. ToC takes place in nov so the next event will probs take place in dec and end out 1895

austere goblet
green pollen
weak viper
#

hi i was wondering if anyone knows the lore of what made the assassin into like a roach thing because the lore I heard never explained how he was made

crystal meteor
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lol

neat juniper
weak viper
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ok but who is the sculptor

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also same question with scrapbeak because it never said why he became a furry

real dove
# weak viper also same question with scrapbeak because it never said why he became a furry

Okay, 2 for 1. Assassin was (is) a dude named Victor who appears to have the ability to turn into bugs- in his lore (available as you kill him in mastery) he vibes with the Researcher until Harold fights the assassin for the first time and recognizes him as the assassin. It appears Victor/Assa came to louisiana where the Sculptor took a shine to him and now copy pastes him as a boss.

Scrappy was(is) a Civil War vet/amputee whose son is deranged and experimented on him, leading to the metal mask fusing to his face, hence the screeching. He walks on stilts, and had a hoarding fetish long before he was scrapbeak... same thing as for why he is a boss, Sculptor liked him and now rezs him as a boss.

weak viper
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ok thank you i didnt know the son did that to him 😭 🙏

real dove
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He had PTSD (valid) as a vet and was kinda abusive, but son was also not okay in the head

weak viper
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i heard that in a video but it ended after he lost it and beat him up

real dove
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As you beat the bosses they unlock lore about them, the wiki also has some info about it too

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gotcha

weak viper
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thanks i was confused on those two

real dove
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npnp

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The lore is not straightforward, lots of thinking around to get the picture, hence this channel 🙂

weak viper
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ok makes sense

amber harbor
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Why does Miner's Lament leitmotif appear in the new event music? It was in one of the moon events too iirc

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Maybe it signifies something that was released, or it may be Chary's theme?

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Or they just reused a cool riff (that slaps btw)

cloud arch
potent anvil
#

So what hunters are conformed dead in the story?

neat juniper
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The rat
For sure

potent anvil
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Damn what happened to her?

granite shard
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killed in tide of shadows and her soul was turned into the storm

potent anvil
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Daaaamn rip

granite shard
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I made this the other day to visualize the current dead statuses lol

image.png
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I think the gar is still alive but it's not fully clear what happened to her

potent anvil
#

Well at least reaper is back for he is my favorite hunter 1HuntPew (mostly because the dlc he comes in is a reference to Don't fear the reaper but ya know)

granite shard
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I really liked him in this event lore

unkempt wraith
earnest jungle
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The blackcoat actually is in the camps of Killed by the Death Pact and Died and Came Back.

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And Captain Lafitte is in both Killed and Came Back, and Killed on Screen but the Land of the Dead is fucked right now.

granite shard
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made the tier list before lafitte's hunter was revealed lol

real dove
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He was killed twice? I know there's some debate he drowned the first time, def died the second but didnt think he was killed the first time.. (if there is one) just drowned once they made it into LOD and he jumped overboard

granite shard
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and for the black coat, the easiest explanation is that his death in bats was exaggerated by collins for dramatics

real dove
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If anything, he'd belong in "implied to have been killed" over killed and came back

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but now he's strongly in the presum killed via death pact

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so it matters noot

granite shard
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"the reports of my death were greatly exaggerated" 😂

real dove
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lol!

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Scooby Doo villian

granite shard
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lmao

real dove
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it's always blackcoat

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pull off hunter masks to reveal it was blackcoat all along

granite shard
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but for the explanation of my "land of the dead is fucked rn" tier is they're hunters that haven't come back yet, but have a chance to

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I'd put the captain in the died and came back tier instead of land of the dead is fucked since he's back at play

real dove
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eh, he came back via some sus stuff (someone stitched his head back onto his very eaten body) so I'd say he should be in the died on screen but came back because of LOD is fucked (I wanna know what kind soul returned his head)... which yeah, really amounts to died and came back over a whole other category

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nvm

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ADHD rambles got me there in the end

granite shard
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yea I'm just not breaking it down that far since I don't want a million lines on the list 😂 I just like having the generalities for a quick reference of dead status

real dove
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makes sense

white pasture
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Naw he was dead. Him "coming back" is "writers not paying attention old lore"

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Hence all the other shit that makes no sense and silly to debate. It was retconned on accident and then they rolled with it.

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The whole meta lore of Skinflint selling identifies would make most sense.

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Since he claims the bodies AND the identities.

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Still think Skinflint/Chary plot was merged at some point.

unkempt ginkgo
white pasture
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Rat had her soul obliterates during a ritual.

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Detectives died and returned?

unkempt ginkgo
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Yeah, I thought they were back

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I definitely missed the part about Rat though, so the rain in the map is due to her?

white pasture
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I mean I believe they died and returned. Rat was last event

rotund ferry
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Somebody should make an updated list of all the notable hunters that have died and pin it to the channel

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It's like the most asked question "Whose dead and not dead"

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granted it's a difficult question to answer since apparently hunters can come back from presumably anything

white pasture
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Nobody knows because writers done pay attention beyond trying to tie-in new DLC hunters to story

rotund ferry
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as far as I'm concerned Rat could come back from having her soul decimated

white pasture
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Whoever they want is alive...

rotund ferry
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All I know is if Llorona dies I'm uninstalling

white pasture
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She died rather distinctly. Dying being irrelevant is dumb.

rotund ferry
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but yeah I agree there's too many hunters to handle at this point

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trying to fit them all together is like a jigsaw puzzle missing pieces

white pasture
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She was retconned to be the spirit instead of named after said spirit I believe.

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It's just lack of effort to keep track of those details for those who write the events...

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I've tried to decipher it

rotund ferry
white pasture
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@rotund ferry I know and I can't recall where it's implied otherwise just recalled it was

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It was just a nick name before.

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Like others called her that not a name she used.

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The way Skinflint is setup is as Chary. Then rando Chary comes outta nowhere.

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Gentleman,wealthy, forms strange pacts and deals, collects Hunters, their corpses and identifies and does something with them

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Known power broker in the AHA etc. Carries a cane...

earnest jungle
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No he isn’t

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Skinflint was a member of the Infernal Pact during Devil’s Moon and talks of Chary in such a way that makes no sense if they are the same person.