lore-discussion

[mellow mantle]

Do we know who writers are?

Do they participate in dev streams?

[rotund ferry]

Thanks man

[granite stump]

to their defense. they don't know

chary convinced them that Finch brought rotjaw

[real dove]

Ugh. Hopefully they realize and then eat him alive

[rotund ferry]

Is the wolf pack referring to the Frisks? Because they're Grounded

They sided with Perchta during the last event

[granite stump]

think it might literally be the wolf pack

like the wolf based hunters

[rotund ferry]

Yeah that's the Frisk family

Dire wolf, Luna wolf and lonely howl

Luna and Dire sided with Perchta because they think she might be able to quench their son's bloodlust

[granite stump]

yeah

[noble scarab]

by that they mean shes gonna help kill him

[severe sleet]

To the people who know the lore of the characters Who you think will win in a fight, The Lonely Howl or The Reptilian

[rotund ferry]

If it comes to that yeah but I can understand that Mama Frisk isn't gonna be too happy about that

Father Frisk probably won't care too much since it was his life on the line

But I think the whole point of Mom and Pops Frisk making dealings with Perchta is that she has some hidden alternative to just killing lonely howl out of necessity

[real dove]

Grounded was the AHA loyalists, right? makes sense then that that's who Chary would target to twist against Finch

My understanding of that entry about Pertcha by Luna was that she offered them two options, depending on if it was dawn or dusk

Death, or bringing them back together

[real dove]

I'm team Lonely, he was born and raised a killer

Reptilian is stealthy tho, and in his natural element...

[noble scarab]

Both have demonstrated extreme stealth, ie, the reptilian sitting in the bottom of the swamp and silently emerging, while lonely howl was able to remain undetected by 3 people as he took them out 1 by 1. In terms of weapons, reptilian carries a bomb lance, and a Romero talon. Lonely howl brings dusters, a bow, and a pax claw. So neither has a terribly long range, so I’d say it’s a toss up based on who’s hunting who and who gets the drop. If it’s in a forest setting, lonely howl, if it’s swamp, reptilian, if it was just in a wheat field, I’d maybe give a slight edge to lonely howl, he has the range advantage.

[granite shard]

infernal was AHA loyalists, grounded doesn't have a strong attachment to the AHA and cares more about protecting the bayou's balance

so in devil's moon they were like "uh yeah you stop lighting the bayou on fire and you stop doing black magic human sacrifice"

[real dove]

wut. I thought Infernal were with Chary

While the actual AHA, with Finch, were more like yall please stop

And Lunar were against chary

[real dove]

Yeah, the more I thought on it the more I realized it had to be location based. Reptilian is def stronger in the waters, while Lonely is in his element in the woods, both have what I would call stealth elements to their weapons, I've killed plenty of hunters with the lance by jsut walking up behind em and cracking them over the head.... but bow is also super stealthy I'm just a terrible shot with it and never bring it lol

[red spear]

Infernal was created while Chary was still part of the AHA and branched off. And the way I interpreted the Grounded pact is its hunters were a loosely knit group not truly loyal to any one leader, including the AHA. Just kind of doing their own things and using the AHA as their way to get paid.

[granite shard]

yeah, chary was still the admin of the AHA so it was a mix of people who were AHA loyalists and then people who liked murder

[clear mortar]

Has it been like said or confirmed which hunters are in which of the pacts?

Like the current 3

[real dove]

It's marked in the game

On the hunter screen

[noble scarab]

Most of the pact hunters are marked

[real dove]

They have a little icon next to em

denoting what pact they belong in

Most the reptilian crew are Primal, the rat/gunrunner are smuggler, but honestly can't recall past that

[noble scarab]

Anyone native is grounded

[real dove]

Gotcha. I kinda figured Finch was leading them (sorta) just trying to keep the whole go kill monsters, get paid concept alive, while the grounded crew looked at chary's shit and went nah dawg, I just came here to get paid

But makes sense it's still associated with the AHA since he was still associated... until Devil, that's when we started throwing casings in a spitton, right?

Which is parially why I figured that's when he was driven out. Or was that after Devil?

[noble scarab]

Around then chary peaced out and the AHA dissolved

[real dove]

I thought we had a thing from Finch that mentioned him still leading what's left? I know it said it was dissolving, but he still writes that he's the director and that aid is coming from other branches (maybe)

Be super neat if we had some way of knowing if anyone actually responded to his letter, I know we had a few come in because of Kevin, but be neat to have either something saying that incoming hunters came from other branches or answered his call to bolster what's left

[severe sleet]

The Reaper vs Devil's Advocate

[real dove]

for hunter vs hunter? Hm. both are prone to fits of destructions, Henry set the swamps on fire and reaper is lost in the sauce... I feel Henry is more tactical over reaper's blood frenzy, so I'd pick him. I also think he looks cooler, though I appreciate Reaper's fit.

[wraith cove]

So the rat is dead according to event right or did i misread

[noble scarab]

She’s got death cheat

[rotund ferry]

They were both raised to kill at a young age although it doesn't specify what age Reptilian was when he first had his taste of blood

It specifies that Leonel Frisk was an infant when he watched his parents hunt

Here it simply assures that Keith Cowen was under apprenticeship to Frank Gravel that could mean young or younger. It all depends on when exactly Frank took Keith under his wing or if Keith started the hunt as young as someone like Leonel. Usually apprenticeship means a trade or job but back then people as young as 13 would work for society. It could also insinuate that Keith was orphaned and Frank adopted him which means he started out young given Frank's focus and tenacity.

[spring marsh]

vallah bila who is leonel?

[rotund ferry]

Leonel Frisk "Lonely Howl"

[spring marsh]

ok thanks

[limber spruce]

@solar gale the new female hunter

[upbeat kiln]

"Unspeakable horror lurks within the bird box."

[rotund ferry]

The Scrapussy got me acting unwise

[icy brook]

Yeah the Frisk family raises the perfect pathological killing machine and were surprised when it lashed out at them

[severe sleet]

Red shirt vs the redneck

[white pasture]

@real dove I thought we had a thing from Finch that mentioned him still leading what's left? I know it said it was dissolving, but he still writes that he's the director and that aid is coming from other branches (maybe):

The structure of the AHA is one of the most inconsistent things. It was stated as breaking down entirely after Finchs death (or the other guy whose name I forget). And then after the guy who replaced him was a psychopath who dies.

But who maintains the structure of the AHA to offer bounties/pay them/collect them/transport whatever the tokens are to whoever uses them during this period?

@wraith cove Rat died! Havent been reading the unlock segments due to the writing being so bad.

[real dove]

Huff died. Finch still lives.

Finch was always there, he ran the more underground side of AHA. chary became lead after huff died, then was yeeted out after devils moon. Finch called for aid in one of the lore chapters in dmoon.

Finch is now director, it's in the same lore chapter.

[white pasture]

For some reason I thought Finch died before Chary.

[warm sequoia]

i havent been following the lore since the first event, is there any accurate document where i can get up to speed? i clicked the lore presentation but it said it was deleted

[white pasture]

Yeah there is

Type I'm event lore

[humble ridge]

Rotjaw mastery 5

[white pasture]

sweet

[real dove]

aw, baby girl was trying to catch the stars

Interesting.... so either not all the shadow gators are his, or time passes differently in the land of the dead, if he's the one that created all the shadow gators and Enola was there for decades

[real dove]

The wiki has the stuff from the moons, there's also pinned docs with lots of lore... also Hazmat's vids on youtube.

[granite shard]

"just nipping at the stars"

[real dove]

she's so cute

i feel kinda bad i keep trying to blow her up with big bundle

but that's faster than melee... more humane, right?

[mellow mantle]

Now post all five together

[earnest jungle]

I have an idea, from what we’ve seen from the Navigator’s Journal and Enola’s Journal time doesn’t work at all in the Land of the Dead.

Sort of like how the Prophets in Deep Space Nine exist unbound by linear time the Land of the Dead exists unbound by the constraints of linear time.

Either that or it’s a continuity error

Actually I’m going with continuity error because that journal entry makes no fucking sense

It’s dated to July of 1895

Is this still all supposed to be happening in 1895?

[visual finch]

@humble ridge Posting too many stuff in such a short span of seconds trigger the automod post those slower please

[humble ridge]

Can I pin 10 screens to 1 post?
That's the only thing I did

[visual finch]

mmmh not sure honestly

Oh, then no

got filtered

[humble ridge]

All Rotjaw lore mastery pages 1/2

All Rotjaw lore mastery pages 2/2

[visual finch]

All good

[humble ridge]

If anyone wants to say thanks, my steam comments are open :)

[real dove]

Yeah, cause she entered with redcoats? so there is clearly some kind of time

[mellow mantle]

What's the opposite of thanks?

[real dove]

sknaht

Idk. Maybe he just added to the gators there

Im kinda lost with that

or he's immortal

lol

[earnest jungle]

We haven’t unlocked all of the tides of Shadow story

[real dove]

Fair. Payday is friday and I'm sorely tempted to just end my misery waiting

buy it all out lol

[earnest jungle]

I understand that

Hang I’m going to head on over to suggestions

[red spear]

That's what I keep telling myself 😭

[granite shard]

time I think deffo seems to work differently in the land of the dead

it seems like they're this sort of infinite stasis until outside forces enter in

like sure time passes in some way but you don't get hungry or thirsty and it all seems rather meaningless

[real dove]

Stasis makes sense, why would time be a thing there anyway? stuff can enter and leave, but while there everything pauses, time whise

[real dove]

Legit hoping we get a wildcard where the land of the dead is eating at the land of the living

[earnest jungle]

So far the time line seems to be.
1812: English forces attack Fort St Philip during a hurricane . A young girl named Enola flees in a rowboat with an alligator egg and ends of sailing into the land of the dead
1824: The alligator ghosts begin attacking English soldiers who have become stranded in the Land of the dead
1891: Rotjaw/Princess’s egg begins to hatch and the ghostly alligators that have been protecting Enola posses Rotjaw/Princess
1893: During a hurricane the SS Delphina becomes stranded in the land of the dead
Circa 1893-1895 at some point the crew of the Delpine capture Rotjaw and experiment upon her at either Chary, or Finch’s direction. At some point Enola and Lynch catch up with Rotjaw and help her escape.
July 1895: The Reptilian encounters Rotjaw for the first time in the Bayou and attributes her presence to rituals he performed to draw her here.

All of which raises several questions

Are the gators that The Reptilian killed the same Gators that created Rotjaw? Or is The Reptilian only assuming they are because he does not possess the information we have?

If they are how did Gators presumably killed in 1895 and 94 create a shadows that helped a girl from 1812 and create Rotjaw in 1891?

A possible explanation is that The Reptilian has been doing this ritual for a lot longer than 1895, that Keith Cowen killed his partner some time prior to 1891

Again the main problem of creating a time line is so many of the events in this game take place on a very fuzzy timeline

We rarely if ever are given concrete dates for things and it’s frustrating

[white pasture]

The Enola Gay is also the name of the plane that dropped the first nuclear weapon...

And now Enola has deliverer something else...

[earnest jungle]

Tide of Shadows has to take place after the Devil’s Moon Event because the Fisks are back together and they were reunited during the Devil’s Moon event, which means it has to take place after the rise and fall of Mr. Chery and Mr. Chery rose to power presumably after Lynch was exiled in 1895 which occurred during or After August of 1895, but the Rotjaw fifth Mastery was written in July 1895 which implies this somehow takes place both before and after Lynch was banished and now my freaking head hurts

Screw it as far as I’m concerned that Journal was written in July of 1896 and it’s just a typo and nobody will be able to convince me otherwise

[white pasture]

Because it's the land of the dead, and a shamanism and voodoo cosmology seems in part to be insightful.

Spirits other reamls, totems animals, natural phenomena bring powerful brings

Beings

[earnest jungle]

It’s not a time line at this point it’s a time knot.

[white pasture]

Yeah, it's a mess

Present time in setting is long after the event is over

[earnest jungle]

I think the Devs need to just bite the bullet at this point and move the in game year forward already

Because the alternative is that: Bad as They Seem, Moon Trilogy, and Tide of Shadows ARE ALL HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME

[white pasture]

Naw bad as they seam is during the beginning of plague to the point the AHA is beheaded

[earnest jungle]

Yeah but that can only take place in the Summer of 1895

Huff was alive as of Jun 29th

Meaning he was killed some time in July of 1895

[real dove]

Yeah, idk how I feel about the newest lore drop with reptilian. Maybe they're the ghosts of every dead gator ever? But why gators then? Or are there roaming herds of shadow whitetails? Shadow Lemmings? Shadow giraffes?

Or is reptilian like... Great grandpa hunter?

[white pasture]

You can tell there isn't any form of structured narrative or even an internally consistent setting.

Its all over the place, makes little sense, generally focused on people, events and things never hinted at and often openly conflict with. Bad writing and a senseless plot.

[remote kestrel]

While all this is going down in louisiana, Texans are enjoying the taste of the new sensation known as doctor pepper.

[white pasture]

mmmmm prune juice

[white pasture]

@earnest jungle Bad as they Seam spans years.

What decade or longer at least

@earnest jungle doesn't it span like 1000 years in another dimension?

The journal for princess

[earnest jungle]

80 years

[white pasture]

Was thinking of Enola I think

She talks about having the egg for how long?

[upbeat kiln]

Who wrote the Devil's Moon within the in-game universe? It wasn't Collins right?

[white pasture]

Isn't much of it framed as fiction or unreliable (all the found photos style). The Narration framing device even says so.

[misty sigil]

Well the main detail about Rotjaw is that a (assumably) fertilized egg was brought into the land of the dead. The shadows gathering around it might just mimickry whatever they see inside. Could explain why Enola took some time to comprehend what they are

I don't know where you get that the reptile might be involved in it's creation. I think he just became aware of it and tried everything he could to summon it

[white pasture]

I don't I'm saying anola (sp) had the egg in realm of the dead for centuries...

[white pasture]

Enolas journal goes to like day 10,000

[real dove]

It's from the shadow gators in prior rotjaw entry "infecting" the egg enola has, then the last one about reptilian (possibly) creating said shadow gators by doing his ritual. If what is written is in fact intended to be "reptilian kills gators, doing weird shit to them to make them bring him a gator of all gators, a dino gator, and thus Enola's egg, brought into the LOD way before reptilian's rituals make age sense, was twisted by said shadow gators" than there;s some weird ass shit going on with time

Be really cool if they'd figure out how time works

cause this is stupid

i thought we got a new writer... ugh

[white pasture]

Its incoherent gibberish but at least previously it was intentional and much better written. They are making up the lore as they go along with no effort for real world building.

[real dove]

which is frustrating

I enjoy a puzzle

trying to figure out parts

but you gotta give all the same pieces of the same puzzle

Even with chunks missing you can usually see an image... but feels strongly like we keep getting chunks of stuff and nothing fits right or makes sense and it's aggravating. the moons at least kinda had logic and sense... even if they yeeted characters out that were headliners before (RIP Viper). this event is making less and less sense. I felt pretty good about Gar being enola, was excited to have lynch return... and for Chary to show up... but if you want to tell a story, for heck's sake at least make it make sense

gotta sit down and make a timeline on what we have so far. cause I agree with @earnest jungle that it seems like we're having multiple things all happening all at once, and unless it's groundhog year in hunt, have a hard time thinking that;s true

[pulsar heart]

pst, hey, wrong person

[real dove]

OOP sorry mate

[real dove]

also... i looked it up, dinos weren't really a thing until after 1842, which is when "dinosaur" was an actual, recognized term. If reptilian is, let's say, in his 40s, and assuming he got the Lonely treatment and has been killing them since he could hold a knife, that's still only 40ish years of gator deaths... not 80. so he can't be the one behind the shadow gators and I'm opting to ignore that entry alltogether.

[noble scarab]

It was Simon Moore

[white pasture]

Which is an anagram

[earnest jungle]

I think the most likely explanation is the Reptilian is just wrong. Remeber the Reptilian doesn’t have access to the information we have. He doesn’t know about the Delphine and Enola. All he knows is he performed a ritual to summon a big ass Gator and a big ass gator showed up.

Naturally anyone in his position would assume the big ass gator that showed up after performing the “summon big ass gator ritual” was summoned by the “summon big ass gator ritual.”

I think the more important part of the lore entry is perhaps The Reptialian’s interactions with Rotjaw.

Which end with him choosing not to kill her and instead forming a bond with her

Which could be explaining The Primal Pacts whole deal.

And I have noticed a pattern with the lore: Rotjaw has a thing about the sky.

She bites at the sky, the moon, the stars, and the sun.

[sharp tapir]

are hives pregnant women

my friend said that out of nowhere

[real dove]

Sorta. The OG hive was an older woman who got "infected" by the hive. Her daughter, who was brought to the asylum, had a hive nest removed from her belly, though she never knew the touch of a man.

@earnest jungle that's fair. I forget what the term for that is... self fulfilling prophecy? idk. I wonder then, if we are going to have him and Gar duke it out over Princess/RJ in the next part

[sharp tapir]

ohh thanks

[real dove]

Yep. Seems more like the hive builds a nest in the guts/uterus, then eats it's way out (as parasitic wasps do).

[sharp tapir]

I remember that the hosts aren't aggressive but the hives are, maybe it's because the host has some remaining consciousness?

[earnest jungle]

I think this passage is explaining the origins of the Primal Pact and where they draw their power from.

[real dove]

Yeah... ugh need someone to load up the rest of the lore chapters lol, find out if Keith and Gar get together and geek out over RJ

Gonna ship Enola and Reptilian

with Princess as the ringbearere

[clear mortar]

Do we know what the helmsmans name is like is it in the note about the crew??

[zenith perch]

Yes. Any woman in the bayou could get a virgin pregnancy with the hive nest. The hive nest bursts out of the chest xenomorph style and keeps the woman alive as it pilots their body

[sharp tapir]

hot

[lapis parrot]

Can someone tell me about three of the books?

[noble scarab]

thats an old ass view of the library. the manual is the game manul they moved it elsewhere, the lousiana event is now non-canon, i expect the book of law to be legal terms and disclaimers for the game, then the last two are in game as basically the same thing

[lapis parrot]

I have found a something about a marie laveau and dr jones connection in the louisiana

[mellow mantle]

I'm glad Reptilian is trying to blow up rotjaw by feeding it tnt

That's how you do monster hunting

[granite shard]

He’s a simple man with a great plan

[light elm]

Need a insect hive mind boss. More lore needed. Would be great.

[granite stump]

lmao, fucker got introduced questline before just to DIE IMMEDIATELY

oh damn rat too?

fuckin RIP

killin off so many legendaries lore wise

[ebon pollen]

Have any others besides Billy story black coat the rat and the skinned died?

[wraith cove]

I asked about the rat the other day and someone said they had death cheat idk about the skinned tho

Im surprised sheriff hardins still alive tbh

[granite stump]

Rat didn't have death cheat

[granite stump]

the trickshot dude got blasted by bar guy

[ebon pollen]

Who is trickshot dude? I’m guessing you mean the kid

[noble scarab]

I think he means Carter, but carter did get shot, just blown up a bit

they were shooting targets, and he shot a dynamite bunch

[ebon pollen]

Oh

[granite stump]

Carter

[granite stump]

he fuckin died

[noble scarab]

got a source? I know there's that trailer and the description of his shotgun

[rotund ferry]

We kinda already have something like that with Assassin but a giant hostile beetle that flies from tree to tree as a roaming boss would be a cool idea

Or some kind of Seagull harpy thing

Something that draws the player's attention skyward

[red spear]

Super late reply, but I'm wondering if there is a pattern to which legendary hunters make a return to the story and if it has anything to do with event exclusivity. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know if event hunters like Viper, Ochenkov and Kevin are still viewable within the recruit page even if you didn't unlock them. Because if they're not viewable I could see the writers having their hands tied a bit with how much they can include those hunters in future lore and not have it be confusing to newer players. I thought it strange too that Viper just disappeared after Serpent Moon. But, this could be an explanation.

[red spear]

I would love a flying roaming bounty. Good way to keep hunters on their toes about prioritizing whether to look to the sky for the boss or ground level for other players/AI

Stalker beetles could be used like bait

[granite stump]

He took a bundle to the face and did the entire death animation. it's pretty safe to say he's ruined

[noble scarab]

you can see his and the bar guy's boots when they inspect the gun post boom

[granite stump]

I tried finding his DLC and failed miserably xD

[earnest jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjX61ZpNP0g

This is the clip

And you can clearly see two sets of boots approach the scorched lever action shotgun

[granite stump]

yee nevermind, fucker had that funny ass trait

[deep flower]

What was the name of the ship that shipwrecked?

[earnest jungle]

The Delphine

[deep flower]

Thanks

[icy brook]

Edmund Fitzgerald

[plush egret]

does anybody have a list of all the playable hunters that have died in the lore?

[empty owl]

not really, but here's an incomplete list
black coat
rat (?)
skinned (?)
hawksaw jack
bad hand/revenant

[wraith cove]

Thought hawksaw was just mia at the moment also you forget billy

[empty owl]

billy isn't really confirmed

also hawksaw was mentioned to be dead by private eye in her journal entries

[plush egret]

what about false saint

did widow kill him?

[upbeat kiln]

Yes. But Kevin got necro'ed by the Moon

[real dove]

The ultimate partner

Rather than self rezzing with necro as a solo, it should be you're getting rezzed by the moon

tho I enjoy the image of it being akin to VR barfight, where you pick yourself back up

[real dove]

I hadn't considered that... do they not show? I guess I have never considered that I can't see the prior event hunters from before I started playing. Even then, there's an easy answer than "Viper? who's that?" after the event he stars in ends... WRITE IT IN YOUR LORE THAT HE DIES/GOES! or just include him but make it minor. May have hands tied to a degree but jesus, the knots aren't that tight, pretty sure it wouldn't be hard to undo them.

You can still see them in the store I think, that's how I read about the natives/lulu. they're just locked off

Idk, I'm sure the writing is harder than I think it is, and while I'm enjoying the lore of the events, getting annoyed they can't seem to end some things cleanly. We had lore about kevin long before we had him... and they wrapped him up nicely.

[granite shard]

just fyi they/them pronouns for the viper! they're agender

I think the event hunters will likely continue playing a role in the story of the game but skins won't return. lulu's had her story continue in weapon lore (scottfield variants, lematt carbine, and ironside) despite being unable to be obtained atm

it's just this weird mix of they have like 75 legendary hunters now and only so many ways to include them in the story of the game

I'm sure the viper will return but their main conflict was solved in serpent's moon (deciding that they want to do things for themself and not for the sinners and stuff) so atm they're prob one of the less pressing hunters for expanding lore on (even tho I stan and want to see more of them)

[real dove]

Right, sorry, forgot! Nah, I'm less annoyed with not getting lore as I was with the event continuing with devils moon.... but no mention of them, despite them being a mainliner the prior event. they just vanished. Poof. I know the skins are a main rev source, and thus we will keep getting new hunters forever, (someday I'll be able to fav my main ones and not roll through 200 pages of hunters just to find them), and thus you can't have all of them involved in everything all the time... I appreciated felis, hardin, and reptilian getting some love with the interviews, and I enjoy seeing hunters come back into the limelight with the events. but to me the viper thing did not make sense- the folks mentioned in serpent moon were still mentioned, but viper was mia despite being a main player. they could have said they'd run off looking for back up, or were there but not a main player anymore, etc... anyway. Sorry for rant lol

[granite shard]

tbh hail mary wasn't mentioned in devil's moon either

like they were probably involved but DM also just was much less straight up story stuff and more of a mix of narrative story & other things which was, idk I preferred when we just got straight narrative story

[real dove]

I thought she was mentioned... or at least still was in a pact, but maybe I was so annoyed with Viper i missed her also vanishing.

[upbeat kiln]

Look at how R6 Siege does it. They have 65 operators, and the stories for each of those characters are deep. They have back stories, development, personal grudges and alliances.

Not that the lore within R6 is super exciting, but Crytek could certainly take a page out of Ubisoft's book in terms of development

[ocean linden]

Who killed the skinned?

[granite shard]

tbh I think where we're starting to go with the events and questlines is starting to build on more interesting grudges & alliances between hunters. I'm hoping to see more like the reptillian stuff happening since that really now has fleshed out a dynamic for him

hunt just needs to be able to start adding more ways of presenting lore beyond book of weapons/monsters (or battle passes which don't stick around which is fairly depressing) since that's what really limits the story telling

I like that the DLC pages have been adding longer story blurbs (I think they started doing that around prodigal daughter's release?) since the 40 word hunter summaries in game doesn't do much beyond building a general sandbox for people to play around in

[real dove]

Yeah! I love getting more info on the hunters we have, and I'd def be more inclined to buy skins for hunters we ALREADY HAVE that look cool over oh hey yet another random person. Or buy BB to get skins for the same reason. I was kinda hoping before I knew much about him that the Ward was actually the reptilian, just with some common sense in that wearing a heavy ass leather duster made from gator hides make NO sense in the swamps... and would start Crytek down the road of let's add more lore and more skins to the 700 hunters we already have.

I enjoy the pacts- It would be cool if the pact traits had some kind of bonus (a minor one) if your whole team is members of the same pact (solos would also get it), but its cool running trios with ward, skinned, and reptilian. I know most folks probably dgaf about that kinda stuff, but I enjoy it

[granite shard]

I'd love to see like "here is this hunter after being in the bayou for a while"

[red spear]

What if Crytek were to make a book like the Book of Monsters, but chapters are dedicated to the hunters? It could be scrapbook style of journal entries, news clippings, hell even photos or illustrations. And you unlock parts of their story like you would with the monsters by completing certain achievements

[granite shard]

that would be sick

[real dove]

dude toss that in the suggestions

i think we'd all love that

[granite shard]

but it would probably step on the book of weapon's toes to an extent since there's also hunter stories in there

[red spear]

Like, I could see someone like Harold Black who wanted to document the "important people" of the Louisiana Incident

[real dove]

or skinflint!

[red spear]

OMG! His book!!!

[real dove]

Tho i guess he just sells names

[granite shard]

book of weapons being primary source documents (letters, journals, etc) and book of hunters being write-ups on them maybe

[red spear]

He could have another on the side

[real dove]

but yeah! We have a character, in canon, that tracks hunters

with a BOOK

joined, innoc, age, looks, death

[misty sigil]

Tell me some short stories about the individual hunters. Doesnt have to be about the fate of the whole world. Not every hunter has to be involved with the main plot, if you can call it that. A book would be awesome though. Interesting way to build a profile.

[real dove]

and, if they wanted to be $$$ about it, make entrys unlock via playing with that hunter

[red spear]

Yeah, like more a history of them as a person rather than a one off story via documents

[real dove]

would be cool. letters between hunters, stories, clippings, journals, stuff from other chapters of the HA, etc...

[granite shard]

tbf that's what's happening in the book of weapons

like that's why it's hard to just hardcore go "well make this other thing that is distinctly this"

but I really would love just an easier way to access hunter lore that doesn't require grinding weapons

[red spear]

Wait, this could tie in more with that bloodline video. They could follow that template and riff on it with more info

[granite shard]

and also isn't limited by the number of weapons coming out

I like what overwatch does which is making comics and standalone short stories, alongside cinematics and the upcoming campaign mode

[real dove]

yeah. It's just lets them get more things in there... and like i said, they could use it as a way to get folks to buy skins if needed.

[granite shard]

i like those bc they're also marketing to get people interested

like me posting the lulu and sofia lore on twitter has gotten several of my friends to download the game bc a) they're girlfriends and also insane and b) it's cool and a way to get people going "oh this is neat I want to get interested in this world"

[misty sigil]

I liked the old league of legends way. Every champion that wanted to join had to face their worst fear in an illusion conjured up by the league

[real dove]

Yeah. TBH while I don't care so much for the pvp aspect (still fun! just not the part I love about this game), I enjoy the setting and idea behind the game SO MUCH. This new map has been fun as heck, and I will join the ranks of folks rioting if they pull it. It's the vibes that keep my battle buddy and I in the game over anything else

Add a character along side the researcher, or use skinflint's ledger, or whatever... hell, Finch, prior to the moons, was also an administrator of sorts, he'd have kept some kind of notes on the hunters bringing in bounties/that they're paying/attracting. helps flush stuff out, and gives folks another thing to grind/buy out for them to profit off.

[spring hearth]

Are the notes and letters scattered around of any noteworthy (pun intended) significance? I’ve not taken the time to read all of them I just skim the ones I find

[red spear]

Book of Hunters suggestion has been posted. Hopefully the idea resonates beyond us lore buffs

[red spear]

RIP campaign mode. Unless you're talking about the paywalled story missions?

[granite shard]

I mean that's the campaign

[red spear]

But big agree on OW's external storytelling getting people interested

[granite shard]

they cut the hero missions & skill trees that were going to be their own standalone thing

[red spear]

Ah, I see, I thought the story missions and what was being considered "campaign mode" were two separate things

[granite shard]

yeah, they did a shit job of communicating things

(and then content creators just... did a massive disinformation campaign with no remorse and still get pissed when people are like "uh pve is still happening" lmao)

but yeah I think doing the full overwatch in terms of outside cinematics and stuff wouldn't be reasonable to expect for hunt since that would be A Ton Of Animation and voice acting (tho it's cool to see the start of VA happening in game) but the comics & short stories would be fantastic for hunt

[red spear]

It's funny how reliant some dev companies seem to be on voice acting when it comes to cinematics. I've always liked the "less said is better" approach when it comes to filmmaking. And I think that style would actually fit Hunt better.

[white pasture]

@real dove wrapped up nicely?! It literally resolved nothing. The writing for the events isn't very good. But the haphazard "world building" and lack of consistency of tone and setting is REAL bad

[granite shard]

I really enjoy characterization tho and think cinematics shine best when you're able to connect to a character

like yeah a big thing abt hunt's world is the atmosphere but at the same time, you want people to start being able to connect with characters in it to flesh out the world

[white pasture]

Their attempts to flesh out the world are not good.

Often irrelevant, rarely consistent with existing lore etc.

Oh Satan now controls AHA and dodges bullets, sweet.

[granite shard]

I like the chary stuff

[white pasture]

Timmy is full of snakes and can't die though grounded not Lunar is one involved with such things

[granite shard]

and I enjoyed the moon trilogy lore in general

not everything is going to appeal to everyone

[white pasture]

He is absurd. Soul bartering devil who is immune to harm.

🫶

👍

[granite shard]

he's not immune to harm, he did nearly die and would have if not for mary ochenkov

[white pasture]

Snore...

[red spear]

@granite shard True, and that characterization can come out in the form of facial expressions, gestures or quirks unique to that character, certain lighting, even "character theme" in the music when a particular character is on screen or alluded to. But, I get it. Voices are a faster way to get people to connect to characters

[unique tree]

I have several questions:

1. Is bounty sight the way enemies see us? Hence the perk Shadow.
2. Why is it not showing our teammate like it shows us? (It shows us the same as hostile hunters)
3. Would it mean that if a hunter is fully infected, they become invisible to the bounty sight?

[white pasture]

Oh yeah entire conflict is unresolved, sweet.

@unique tree occult vision picks up various types of energy

[granite shard]

I think the thing there is we need to have a stronger base for a character to root for in order to get hyped up for like a character theme or something

[unique tree]

Where can I learn more about this Occult Vision?

[white pasture]

Hunters are magically active so I'd imagine are more noticeable

@unique tree I can't recall but there is official lore on topic

[granite shard]

a single cinematic that's more silent following a hunter would work but if they wanted to do cinematics to build hype and stuff, they'd need to start establishing characters in easy to access ways

since imo the biggest problem plaguing hunt lore is just how inaccessible it is

[white pasture]

Try main website under lore maybe

[granite shard]

book of weapons stuff isn't there, the best way to get the lore is to go onto the wiki

[white pasture]

@granite shard it being implicit is in large part what makes it so compelling.

[unique tree]

Didn't expect Gar to look this cute rofl

I'm on official website.

[granite shard]

Not really. It’s very easy to not know that they expand on hunter lore in the book of weapons

And say you want to unlock all of bad as it seems, it’s not clear what the order for unlock is or anything like that

[red spear]

Yeah, I guess I was thinking shorter vids with only one or two main hunters as the subject. Something a little more substantial than the promotional videos they put out. A full on cinematic would def need the VA work.

[granite shard]

And if you want to read all of the lore for the phantom, now you have to use the Winnie vandal and it’s variants to fully unlock

It’s cool and thematic the way you unlock the lore but it provides a very high barrier to entry to even know it exists

Like even just having something for each legendary hunter that shows that they have lore & what weapons their lore is under would be cool bc that shows “oh I can learn more abt this guy”

[red spear]

I cracked and finally went to the wiki to read all of BATS, I couldn't stand bouncing all over the place trying to figure out what weapons I needed to unlock the story

[white pasture]

@granite shard yes its very easy to miss implicit lore...that's part of what makes it so good

[granite shard]

I disagree heavily

[granite shard]

yeah lmao one day at work I was just like

opens up hunt wiki

time to read all this shit

[red spear]

Citations or reference lists between the books would be wonderful

[granite shard]

and just. give short stories or something

[red spear]

Hell, I'd love to see the library tab in the main UI link to a picture of some creepy occult library where they dump all of the external lore into different books

[granite shard]

on social media

it's also insane that some news articles include short stories that are so easy to miss

like did you know the viper has a huge amount of lore abt their early life posted on the site?

that heavily implies (confirmed by writers) that they're autistic

I found that out at the tail end of the devil's moon event!

[red spear]

Yo, I had no idea there was a story about Skinflint from like two years ago during a winter event. I just happened to stumble upon some mention of it from a friend

[granite shard]

there's a lot of really cool stuff but it's just SO spread out and hard to access

[red spear]

Like, how much of that kind of lore have we missed? Because it's just not referenced to anywhere and has been buried within the official site?

[granite shard]

exactly!!

and it's not even bad lore, it's Really Cool Shit

does make me laugh tho bc the viper's lore includes something that makes me do math and realize they're 27 (they've had a hard 27 years)

they found Delara when they were seven and her breed of snake apparently lives like twenty years max, and the reason they went to chary is bc she was at the end of her natural lifespan

[red spear]

I... never thought about adding up how old they are 🤔 damn, that's interesting

Their story is freaking heartbreaking. To make myself feel better I like to HC that when Delara passed they would be the caretaker of Kevin's moon snakes. Because you know for how much shit that boy's been through there's got to be dozens of snakes just chilling all over the Bayou 😁

[granite shard]

delara's doing good now!!

so thankfully there is no heartbreak there 🙏

[red spear]

Where does it say she recovered? Or is it implied Chary healed her before Viper's fight with Kevin?

[granite shard]

yeah she was healed before viper's fight with kevin

their final skin has delara moving around in their intro animation

as opposed to in the three prior skins she's just kinda laying there limply

I think in the event lore it's also mentioned somewhere but don't quote me on that lol

[red spear]

Oh yeah, she is animated in the last phase. God, I love how well the story is told through character design

But now I'm really sad I didn't get the last Viper skin

[granite shard]

mood, I only got the first two

serpent's moon was just so grindy

[real dove]

Truth. Didn't realize that why she looked near death on him. I keep considering starting a new Google doc sheet with the newer lore and trying to kinda timeline/gather stuff... But holy jeses there's lore scattered so here and there dunno where to even start, plus they've rolled stuff back...

Good wording on the post @red spear , here's to hoping they listen

That's the way I could think of to get them to want to go forward with. It is to give them away to make money off of it

[granite shard]

I’ve been thinking abt making lore tiktoks

[unique tree]

YT shorts are better imo

TikTok has a different atmosphere.

[narrow vigil]

YT would be preferable, easier to share and playlist and stuff

[opaque atlas]

Is it finally known in which year Hunt takes place?
Because on some trailer once was shown that supposedly in 1896
But it doesn't make sense because Slate was created in 1897

[white pasture]

The Year which the hunters we play exist?

Linear time doesn't apply. Many hunters which are dead by the time Hunt (we play during) are dead.

The real year is some distance in the future in the a Hunt universe.

Or we aren't the Real Hunters, but clones of the Sculptor of real hunters and the bounties are from extra dimensional adversaries.

Which is why legendaries are always Clean, don't usually decay.

Clones fighting real Hunters for the same prize.

[tired spear]

What about both ?

I mean from a videast perspective it's not really a lot more work but it's a much wider reach

I, for instance, don't even have tiktok, so it'd be a shame to miss those shorts

[opaque elk]

It’s fictional history lol doesn’t need to be 1:1 accurate and allegedly it’s 1897-1902 as the games been out 5 years and the devs are considering making it move in time with that

[ocean linden]

The slate in game is the 1893 version. Hunt takes place in 1895

[tired spear]

Yeah the slate is the Winchester 1893, which is not to be confused with the trench gun (Winchester 1897)

[white pasture]

Yeah, game lore isn't that coherent to figure out dates that way.

Many hunters that can played are not alive in Canon at Players time period

[noble scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[white pasture]

@noble scarab It's a bit complex if one is missing a chromosome but I can try

[subtle sky]

Here's a question for you lore buffs.

The Wayward helmsman is wearing a head cage similar to some infected in the swamp. Does he wear it incase he turns or is it more armor?

[white pasture]

Head caged were for those who escaped the mental institution or prison (I think)

[slow pebble]

Considering he's wearing the chest armor you can make a fair assumption the helm was for protection, too

[swift silo]

is there any connection between keith cowen and rotjaw?

[red spear]

Haven't unlocked all of the Helmsman chapters, so I may be way off. But based on his bio, and the attire he's wearing I wouldn't be surprised if he was a french prisoner being shipped off to St-Laurent-du-Maroni. The ship sank, he stole one of the crewman's uniforms and stopped using his name lest he be captured again. But he couldn't get the cage off his head, or he saw Rotjaw and thought it best to keep it on as protection. That's my theory

[swift silo]

i thought he was a poacher that hunted alligators for their skin.

[red spear]

Talking about Helmsman, sorry

There is a connection with Keith and Rotjaw. It's mentioned in the last mastery chapter for Rotjaw

Don't have it directly on hand tho, and I don't think anyone has pinned the chapters yet

[noble scarab]

i dont think its been pinned but i know its further up in the chat

[zinc depot]

rotjaw masteries: #lore-discussion message

[near mesa]

is there any video lore like has anyone made any short vids

[white pasture]

There are many

Some go through every legendary hunters back story and scattered lore. Some on the bosses and such

Believe there is a reading if As Bad as they seem.

@slow pebble he's really the captain the head brace is to hold his new head on

[real dove]

@upbeat kiln has a bunch of vids all about Hunt's lore

[near mesa]

are they posted anywhere like youtube ?

[real dove]

yep. He's on youtube

Search his name and you'll get it

[frozen drift]

So… the grunts built these ship altars I’m guessing from the remnants of the Delphine.

[frozen drift]

Why does gar want to save it…?

[mellow mantle]

Yes, altars are made from debris of Delphine

[mellow mantle]

Apparently primal pact along with Gar want to take control of Rotjaw

"Ride it" as they call it

[frozen drift]

Hmm…

I thought it was just gar who wanted that

[mellow mantle]

There is a mention how in Deadland girl who orignally hatched Rotjaw rode it while standing on the shore

[mellow mantle]

Nope, she says that Reptilian wants to ride Rotjaw, but it is going to be her who will ride

What a weird phrase

I don't feel comfortable with it when there is whole Bearsldur Gate 3 debacle going on

[frozen drift]

Oh right…

The stupid Druid whatnot

Yeah coupled with the fact rotjaw’s a female…? It’s already making my mind stray

[mellow mantle]

I know right?

Stupid sexy bear...

https://tenor.com/view/bear-heart-those-people-artist-at-play-gif-gif-14621963

[white pasture]

Primal Pact are those hunting Princess because she is an abomination I thought? Reptile is also being hunted because he corrupted?

[rotund ferry]

Well Grounded pact is hunting anyone who is associated with Rotjaw so basically the whole Primal pact

Grounded pact is basically this event's lunar pact and Primal is infernal pact

Although Grounded's goal has always been to maintain the balance of nature

I think Grounded pact might want to call up Godzilla

That radioactive leviathan is a pro at maintaining nature's balance

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-yes-gif-21176626

[earnest jungle]

Now did someone order some hot and ready Lore entries?

I have screen shots of chapters 1-9

So it seems that the Cage that Surrounds Rotjaw was built prior to capturing her

[real dove]

I have them all

hold on please

can get you 10-15

since Rewx has got the rest

Rex, sorry

CHapter 10

13/14

[plucky otter]

is red descot steel eyed

[real dove]

sorry for not making them as pretty as Rexli's lol

[earnest jungle]

So there is definitely some kind of connection between the Delphine and Rotjaw.

I have a theory. The Electrical Cage, The Insect Fossil, and the Deaths of the Delphine’s crew and passengers were apart of whatever ritual brought Rotjaw into the Land of the Living and fouled the rains.

Perhaps this insect fossil is somehow connected to the Sculptor.

But we still have the time paradoxes.

Where Tide of Shadows somehow takes place in July of 1895 but after the events of the Moon Trilogy and the showdown between Lynch and the Twins.

Chambers does mention someone who took over for Huff but was killed as well, question is who is that.

Was it Lynch? That would indicate she was killed sometime between the end of July and the Start of August. If it’s Chary that means his tenure lasted a month if that and the whole Moon Trilogy lasted as long.

But Bad as They Seem, Russel Chamber’s Letters, and the interview with John Voekel seem to indicate the showdown between Lynch and The Twins happened sometime in August/September because it happened in the midst of a hurricane.

I just had an idea

Maybe this is some kind of retcon after all.

Lynch shows up after the Delphine takes Rotjaw.

Perhaps the same Storm where the Delphine crashes down to Earth is the same Storm the twins fought Lynch and banished her from the Bayou.

Rotjaw first appeared in July of 1895 but we have no firm date for when the Delphine goes from Ghost Ship to Physical Ship wreck.

[real dove]

maybe... In theory the moon trilogy could have happened in short order... unless it's based off the actual moon cycle, in which case, need 3 full moons... maybe the next events will expand on the twins/lynch's fight, and we've gone back in time some? idk. Getting annoying with the crypticness. Just make it plain where we sit time wise!

[rotund ferry]

Does anyone know what kind of boat the Delphine was?

I'm guessing it was either one of these

[real dove]

paddle steam ship of some kind, mentions the paddle in the lore entries

I hope it's the latter of your two, love how those old ships look

[rotund ferry]

Yeah I don't know since it feels like it would go out to sea but steamboats are usually fitted for river travel not sea travel but the lore entries mention shores and ocean

[real dove]

still be real neat if the delphine paddled around outside the map (or inside, as a ghost ship...), blowing her whistle and being all creepy like, especially now we know she's haunted

dunno tho. maybe we'll get some art of here

her

[rotund ferry]

She might be haunted and I like the idea of more ambience in the game like that but since the totems are the wreck of the delphine I don't see it happening

Maybe a spectral ethereal Delphine that glows green in the mist of the rain

[real dove]

yeah... ghost boat that comes and goes

could give her an effect skin to rotjaw's black goo

some parts are wood, some parts are ghost...

or, if you send enough totems back, she appears for you

idk

[rotund ferry]

I was thinking more of a whole ectoplasma ship with a glow that phases in and out of reality

Like Dutchman sightings

[real dove]

mmm would be cool, I'm just thinking of the weird glowing ships in eso, do not want that in hunt, vibe does not match... but yeah, if she got the same weird green glow of the carriges, and phased in and out of existance, would be neat

or a glow kinda like zorngheist?

maybe the next event or such... we have a boat with a consciousness, ferry of death, so be interesting to see what it brings

[noble scarab]

Given how insect related the Sculptor is, the insect fossil could be an anchor or relic to the Sculptor somehow

Other thoughts: glad to see Chary get the shit beat out of him, shame our boy Kev isn’t around. If this is a prequel maybe that’d explain why chary was so weak, either that or kev fucked him up good.

Also the one entry with rotjaw’s banishment seems to confirm that maux/gar is Enola.

It also seems that the Rat is dead, possibly the Skinned as well.

[echo narwhal]

yes

[plucky otter]

4 centuries later

god dayum

[echo narwhal]

would have replied sooner but that weapon charm isnt gonna grind itself🫡

[earnest jungle]

I would guess it’s the Steam Ship that you can see in the background in game

[real dove]

99% sure maux is enola. there's just too many things written between the two that are near identical. I'm just suuuuuper curious how Lynch got them to blend. Hoping they expand more on her and she doesn't go MIA... maybe have a secondary skin for her next event? be neat for all the hunters involved... keeps them involved and also lets them get fleshed out

[noble scarab]

If I recall right Maux “drowned” in ‘93, so maybe Lynch was able to just transfer their souls somehow, or they’re half and half in there

Either way time in the land of the dead doesn’t seem to work in a rational way

[real dove]

Oh for sure, I'd just like a bit more lore on how it came to be... mostly just want to see Lynch again!

[noble scarab]

The twins would also be cool to see again, or maybe even as legendaries

Or finch

[red spear]

So are we thinking the timeline is getting retconned that Lynch was banished during the same hurricane that Maux drowned and the Delphine entered the Land of the Dead? Because that is really the only timeline that's making sense to me.

[red spear]

It would be strange if she isn't referenced again at some point in the next two events of this trilogy

[foggy sundial]

I kinda knew what was goin on in hunt now I don’t know what the HECK is goin on

[real dove]

They mentioned her, so thankfully they haven't totally forgotten about her existence. I have no clue what's going on. My basic understanding of it all is: sculptor appears in louisiana. AHA, under Huff, begins to collect bounties. Infection takes hold of local regions. Assassin, Spider, Scrapbeak, Butcher appear. Lynch meets Twins. Twins do their thing, Lynch kills Huff since he's not really trying to kill the sculptor. Twins fight Lynch. Lynch poofs. Chary steps in, starts sacrificing folks to take over the moon. Moon hires Kevin, Moon trilogy. At some point during all this the delphine enters the land of the dead and princess gets metal put on her, then pulled into our realm. Lynch smashes Enola into Gar. Reptilian falls in love with Rotjaw. I wish he could meet intact Enola so thay could both fangirl over their gator love.

But idk what they heck they are doing now

[granite shard]

Has it been confirmed that Enola was smashed into the gar?

[earnest jungle]

No

The near fatal drowning of the Gar happened in 1893, and Rotjaw was stollen away sometime in July of 1895

Time is funky in the Land of the Dead by causation still seems to function. An eternity may have passed between October of 1893 and July of 1895 in the Land of the Dead. But someone who enters the land of the dead in 1895 will not appear before someone who entered in 1893

I also just realized the man that Gar attacked was Chary

Come to retrieve his prize from the Mouth of Princess

Returning to Gar the only thing she has in common with Enola is the same reverence all of the Primal Pact hold for Princess

[iron narwhal]

🧐 ???

[real dove]

unless she made a deal with lynch to survive... and lynch upheld it later on?

Yeah, timelines dont make sense but i want them to be the same so badlu

[granite shard]

I want to learn everything abt miss gar she’s so cool

[real dove]

it makes the story much more fun if they're merged. gives gar the drive to want to have rotjaw/a connection to her, lets lynch show off some powers

[granite shard]

I’m thinking that we might see Enola in the final tide event this year

Kinda like how we got introduced to Kevin in the first moon event and finally got him in devils moon

Ik Enola was shown in the RJ lore but I feel like it would still work

She’s prob gonna be white but I hc her being a cute young black woman

[ripe sparrow]

if anyone wants to help me with my trials dm

[royal sonnet]

I havent looked that much into the lore, is the whole monster thing only in louisiana? Or is it elsewhere as well

[hasty raven]

a lot of other places, throughout time, different lovecraftian beings causing them and the effects differing

The 'insectile head' artifact is gonna be a stalker beetle skin as the level 50 reward in the last tide trilogy event

calling it

[hot thicket]

Not sure if this has been discussed before, but do we have any information on how traits like Necromancer (specifically self-revive) and Death Cheat work from a lore perspective?

[noble scarab]

We get to see self-necro in action in a trailer for the last event, and death cheat seems to be similar to banishment

[real dove]

Probably... There's too much stuff about her to not have her come in at some point. hopefully

[granite shard]

Fingers crossed

[real dove]

hey, weird thought... with Moorhound- do you think he was yoinked as he would do well introed next to... a werewolf boss?

Dunno if they said why he never got dropped

and if so, disregard

[red spear]

Not sure why either, but I suspect they didn't want to throw too many different story arcs at us in one go. His background revolves around the land of the dead, but in a different location and different creatures. It reminds me of the same thing Crytek did with the Wolf Pack. Their story seemed to fit the Traitor's Moon event, but Crytek waited until a month or so later to drop the legendary hunters

[real dove]

Yeah. I'm hoping on hopes they decided he goes better with something further in the pipeline...

Since they keep bringing up the wolves...

👀

[red spear]

I can't remember, did they say a fifth boss was on the roadmap for the next year?

[red spear]

I know back in March they talked about the roaming bounty, new wildcard, the trilogy events, and new map, but I can't remember talk of a normal boss being released soonish

[icy brook]

Recovered from an archaeological site I’m working on, the case is copper rather than brass so it predates Hunt by a slight margin but still a nice indication of age

[red spear]

That's awesome! Where's your site located?

[icy brook]

It’s outside of Lewistown, MT

[jolly sandal]

Hey, how is the current lore interpreted? Is there a coherent meaning to it rn? There are no lore explains on yt just yet. I've read all the logs but can't really seem to put the end (or the whole) together?

Only Tide of Shadows btw

[noble scarab]

TLDR people went to the land of the dead, brought back rotjaw and a strange Sculptor related insect fossil on behalf of Chary/Finch

[jolly sandal]

And whats up with the navigator becoming "one with the ship" is that non essential?

[dense onyx]

i have a question why are there so many ships when the water is no deeper than 3ft

like theres this one loctaion that has a whole ass boat being built but the water is 3ft deep

[earnest jungle]

Gameplay story Segregation

[noble scarab]

Probably non-essential or ties into the whole ghost ship thing

[echo narwhal]

i get the feeling that he is what is compelling the corrupted to construct altars out of the delphine's corporeal debris, and what compelled them to ||sacrifice the rat upon the altar to damn her to servitude on the delphine||

[red spear]

So, I've been mulling over a bunch of thoughts on what the heck is going on in this event's story. I'm wondering if the Delphine collecting souls through debris altars was Chary's intention all along? That the Delphine becoming a vessel for souls was the endgame for him. Not Rotjaw or the relic, per se. They were just pieces of the bigger picture? Because that would fit his MO.

Also, I think Gar might not have been "reborn" in 1893. I wonder if her body found its way to the Land of the Dead and was kept in stasis just like the Delphine and its crew until the events in 1895.

Because it would help make the timeline a little more coherent. Maux's corpse and the Delphine find their way into the Land of the Dead during the same hurricane in 1893. Two years go by, but for the Delphine's passengers, time is irrelevant as indicated by the Navigator continuing to write October 1st 1893. All of the shenanigans of 1895 happen with Lynch and twins, and the moon trilogy. Chary comes up with another plan to collect a shit ton of power via souls and otherworldly energy sources. And Lynch uses Maux's preserved corpse to bring Enola back to the land of the living (if we're still running with this theory).

Also, I'm reserving doubts that the relic is connected to the Sculptor, or it's connected in an indirect way. Cardinal Rain says it looks like a pupae, but the Navigator talks about isopods following Frederick around when he's holding it. Isopods look like insects, but they're crustaceans.

[noble scarab]

it was also described as a relic of the first insect to walk on land, but also it evidently taught men how to make fire and had a bunch of famous people sacrifice things on it

according to wikipedia this is a restoration of what the oldest fossil we have is

something kinda akin to a centipede or mayfly

i could see the sculptor claiming it or it being linked or something. could also be unrelated, or something tainted from its time in the land of the dead

[red spear]

Never questioned the evolutionary history of insects, but apparently there's some debate about whether they evolved from crustaceans, so there's a link

[rotund ferry]

What wiki are you referring to? The only one I found is fandam and I can’t find anything related to the newest update

[hasty raven]

He means actual wikipedia

[white pasture]

Necromancer is the use of actual magic similar to serpent and other "active" skills that require hand motions, chanting, darksight. Uncertain if it only works on Hunters or not. Hunters are inherently supernatural after taking whatever it is they take that grants them ability to perceive and interact with occult energies.

Cheat Death appears to be the same. A knowing supernatural act.

[amber harbor]

Could also be a different inoculum

[icy brook]

Those were my thoughts as well

Different inoculums made by different factions could grant different traits

Or it could be the inoculum activating nascent abilities in new hunters

[high stone]

My head’s kind of spinning from reading all the things you guys laid out from the new event lore

Getting really abstract here

[white pasture]

Yeah, its a mess

[red spear]

It's definitely been a process of catching new tidbits of info with each read through of the chapters. I'm still on the fence if I liked this event's story. Hopefully the next two events clear some things up

[high stone]

Why next two??

[amber harbor]

They mentioned this is the start of a new trilogy, like the moons trilogy

[rotund ferry]

That's usually how hunt lore goes

Everything is really splintered and layed out like an incomplete jigsaw puzzle

[willow wave]

Reinhart von Gruber popularized the practice of saving ammo by performing a technique of grabbing the bullet when it is ejected from the gun. Through this practice he earned the nickname Reinhart BulletGruber. This practice is later on adopted by the AHA as the Bulletgrubber trait.

[earnest jungle]

The frustrating and confusing thing about the two Reptilian Questlines is they hint at a greater connection to the events of the Tide or Shadows that hasn’t really been born out.

Everything seemed to be implying the primal posse had a far bigger role in bringing Rotjaw into the Bayou than they actually did.

The Scaled Wars eludes to the “Reptialian’s greatest sin yet,” The Skinned eludes to him tracking the Reptilian to “Dark Shores where they found a prize big enough to put the past to rest”

And the Fang Shearer emphasizes the connection between the Reptialian’s ritualistic slaughter of Alligators and Rotjaw.

Yet come Tide of Shadows the Reptilian has nothing to do with Rotjaw. It’s all Chary’s doing

At least I think it was Chary’s doing I can’t remember if he or Finch is the one who uses a Cane

[hasty raven]

It was Chary

with a cane

[earnest jungle]

And there must be some kind of connection, the Scaled Ward lost his parents in the same storm that trapped the Delphine in The Land of the Dead.

[white pasture]

Skinflint's cane sword. But he is a Chary minion of sorts. I also can't help but think "Enola" is a reference to the Enola Gay. The planet that dropped the first nuclear bomb in Japan. Rotjaw appears to be a weapon of large scale. And Enola made to deliver it.

Granted I haven't read the event through yet.

Plane

@willow wave That is awesome

[noble scarab]

Finch was the one who went into the land of the dead, maybe at Chary's bidding

Chary just showed up later and Gar rocked his shit with a hammer

[earnest jungle]

I assumed Chary was lying

But perhaps Finch was the other one that Rotjaw was wary of

[noble scarab]

I'll have to look back at it but did the man on the rowboat have a cane?

I could see Finch actually going in himself

Chary wants the insect head thing, so if he'd have gone wouldn't he have just taken it before shoving it into Rotjaw

[red spear]

It did say he had a cane. He uses it to tap on the floor of the Delphine when telling the passengers they need to put the relic into Rotjaw if they want to go "home". I really think Chary was after the Delphine all along, or something like it, to be both a literal and metaphorical vessel to contain souls. The Navigator's last entry talks about making hundreds of altars of himself, and finding souls to become the crew in the name of the Delphine. Rotjaw, the cage around her, and the relic are just the power source.

It fits all the other hair-brained schemes he's done in the past. They are all related in some way with souls, or otherworldly sources of power. Traitor's moon was collecting souls via the dirt circle, Serpent moon was collecting power by sacrificing the snakes that came out of Kevin, Devil's Moon was harvesting souls from the soul traps.

[noble scarab]

ah youre right

[red spear]

Keith created the shadow gators that made their way into the egg Enola brought into the Land of the Dead, so maybe he sees the initial creation of Rotjaw as a sin? Because Chary wouldn't have been able to do what he did if Rotjaw hadn't been born in the first place

[noble scarab]

thats kinda a shame tbh, Id like to see someone else do something cool

[red spear]

That's why I want to wait and see what the next two events of the trilogy have to offer. Because it would be cool to see either Lynch or Finch come in and wreck his plans in some way, or add their own flavor of clusterfuck to the Bayou

Like, I really want more info on what Lynch did to Enola

[vernal stag]

Rotjaw mastery 5 has a journal entry from Reptilian about hunting Rotjaw but there isn't much plot there.

[untold blaze]

Is there any lore on Gar besides how she became a weird zombie revenant thing and how she wants to like ||sit on RotJaw||

[plain granite]

What is the lore implication of the shape of this map?

[cursive phoenix]

🗿

[mellow mantle]

Bayo lures the hunters in with the promises of what they desire most

[restive patrol]

Is it just me or did they retcon the Cascade mountain infestation from the Wayfarer's lore? Can't find any mention of it ingame-now.

[rotund ferry]

They did a lot of retconning this time around not sure why they'd retcon Wayfarer though

[rotund ferry]

This whole event feels like Elden ring lore to me

The primal worship a god of rot and the grounded are warriors who wish to seal away the rot

and the rot in question is said to bring about the foulest season of bloom (as in a flower)

the water is in a state of stagnation and isn't flowing and in Japanese mythology a river spirit loses it's power when polluted

hence why the Grounded are trying to restore the balance of nature

[untold blaze]

I really like Gars voice

Its comforting

[white pasture]

It's what happens when writers try to create a narrative without having a coherent design. Random stuff contradicting what little established lore that exists.

You can read every word of Hunt lore in an evening...

Especially when they intend to create a TV series? Not nearly enough foundation for the event lore to mean anything and doesn't really seem to mesh well with the established setting

It's just not very good writing and all of a sudden Hunt is a high fantasy setting

[untold blaze]

Doesn’t feel to high fantasy to me

Honestly just feels like their branching out, spreading their wings

Even if they did execute the Cowboy vibe when it came to skins a hot minute ago

Glad their leaning into the hardcore Cajun vibe with some of the newer lore though

Love Gar

[wispy creek]

oh the things i said when I first heard her voice

i am not okay

[untold blaze]

Dude, I know

I’ve dated a southern goth chick, and I’m gonna say this, it’s phenomenal and Gar lowkey makes me regret breaking up with her

[wispy creek]

like

she could call me a good boy, and I think my balls would explode

[untold blaze]

Can confirm

[noble scarab]

i think this event is much better lorewise and writing wise than the moon bs

if only crytek wouldnt backpedal and would move the time line forward

let it be 1896 please

[untold blaze]

Agreed, I didn’t like the moon bs

Partially cause no bayou goth woman, but still

[restive patrol]

Concurred, at least this time they bothered to set up the factions and built up certain characters whilst providing future story threads (that will hopefully be followed up). Whilst providing a singular storyline that is resolved within the event. (the Delphine logbook). Rather than the moon trilogy with cut off cliffhangers that are unresolved (cough serpents moon) or characters that just appear out of nowhere

[white pasture]

Creating a lightning infused Alligator from the land of the dead and bringing it fourth into this dimension isnt high fantasy?

[untold blaze]

No

Cause it’s fuckin sick dude

It’s some like, power metal shit and love it

[real dove]

It would be great for them to add a lorekeeper character, or use the researcher/black and add in a lore book with chapters dedicated to the events- can tie them to the event unlocks, but make all of it available when the event ends. Drop in random tidbits like the hunter interviews and such... but would allow for us to see what all they have done to the known timeline, since right now IDK what the heck is going on with it all. I know not a new idea, and others here have said the same.

[rotund ferry]

Ya'll down bad for a fish chick who would probably sooner kill you then want to be in a relationship with you

[real dove]

weird chain on thought but the serpent moon staying... that's not implying that this event is happening at the same time as the moons, is it? Prolly just due to that map being better lit and folks liking it (or at least I did) but be interesting

[hasty raven]

I mean... the serpent moon is a wildcard condition

[real dove]

not anymore

it's in the normal rotation rn

[hasty raven]

well I spoke too soon

or I guess a little too late

didn't read the announcement

[rotund ferry]

Hope they bring back the fire as a rare map option

[untold blaze]

Yes

[timber pine]

hey man love unlocking lore in the event

[neat juniper]

You know what
We need legendary hunters lore book chapters

Like any other lore book chapter where you gain exp with them, but for hunters

I can't see how this could go wrong at all :)

[mellow mantle]

We could more lore, that is true

[earnest jungle]

My only complaint is that the lore for the new weapons is locked until after the end of the event

[white pasture]

And new event lore after scrapbeak has been trash

[untold blaze]

Yeah

Except for this one

I like this one

[river socket]

Wait till she sees my fishing rod 😎

[lunar sky]

[white pasture]

@river socket 😐

[vernal stag]

I would really love it if the weapon mastery stories got pulled out of the book of weapons and only left that book for weapon and item descriptions. Then, the stories would be put in another book so that the portions that belong to the same storylines could be grouped together. From there, that new book could say like "Unlock mastery 1 of _____ to reveal this" and have the lore ordered sequentially. Right now they're spaced out all over the place. The pelican island lore is in like five different weapons.

[real dove]

Yarp.

They've retconned so much stuff, I dont really know whats legit and what isnt anymore

getting an actual lore book, that is in order and not attached to weapoins- sure can still be unlocked but not attached would be great

[river socket]

😏

[rotund ferry]

she'll probably whip out a bomb lance, stab you with it and say "mine's bigger~"

[white pasture]

Lore should be discovered in game. Books and writing found in some of the bizarre areas of game

Diaries of Finch in his office etc

NPC hunters maybe with lore. Even legendaries not used by players in game etc

[river socket]

As a blance enjoyer I see this as an absolute win

[cursive phoenix]

does anyone have mastery for rotjaws book of monsters 🥺

[hasty raven]

Yeah

[cursive phoenix]

May I have it?

[hasty raven]

Nothing stopping you

[cursive phoenix]

K

[hasty raven]

I'm just messing with you

Someone posted them in this channel

[cursive phoenix]

Do you have it?

[hasty raven]

I'll get it

[cursive phoenix]

Can you show me?

Tyyyy

[hasty raven]

#lore-discussion message

[cursive phoenix]

TYSMMM

[hasty raven]

you're yelcome

[vast marsh]

I wanna make a sherrif Hardin lore accurate load out, what guns does he use canonically?

[forest stirrup]

I think one The Noose is his Vetterli, so there's your primary. Idk what his sidearm is tho

[untold blaze]

Probably a Caldwell Pax

[real dove]

The brass flower

I believe it's his gun if I recall what it has in it's bio

[red spear]

It is his

[rotund ferry]

There is a Caldwell new army called "The Deputy" but who would it belong to?

It wouldn't be Sheriff Hardin or Marshall Brewer

And it wouldn't be Hacksaw Jack or Private Eye either because they both brandish Scottfields

[red spear]

Apparently it is related to Marshall Brewer and how she wasn't afforded the title Deputy

[rotund ferry]

Skill issue

[real dove]

Oh good, I dredged that up from the depths

[severe sleet]

Who would win in a fight the redneck or the red shirt

[forest stirrup]

Redneck. He supposedly held out in the Bayou for months without hunter drugs. Redshirt is there on a fuckin drunk bet.

[real dove]

Frat boy vs legit redneck

[white pasture]

Martini name I forget single shot vanilla one

[white pasture]

Redneck lives in the Bayou and never left.

And I believe a lemat

[vast marsh]

So vertteli and lematt got it!

[white pasture]

Martini

[earnest jungle]

Based on the weapon trinkets the next boss/wild card is going to be something dog/wolf related.

I know I keep saying the next boss is going to be a werewolf, and have been saying so ever since the wolf themed legendary weapons DLC.

But the last Weapon Trinket for the Event is a sheep horn that was dislodged in a wolf, and the trinkets from the teitch drops are moon dial and a jawbone with a pronounced canine

The previous twitch drop weapon trinket was a gator eye

I refuse to believe this is all a coincidence

[hasty raven]

Everything has been very doggy lately

[real dove]

Oh I agree, I think they've been working on or at least planning on a wolf something since they keep bringing the wolf clan in with no real good reason to do so... They showed up last event, they're referred to again here... I hope you're right. Ww boss be cool af

[river socket]

This is a myth in Louisiana called the Rougarou which is like a werewolf

Imagine if the roaming boss’ clues makes it appear mostly hidden nearby, revealing as yellow glowing eyes that quickly run away for you to continue tracking it to the next clue. Then it lures you to an area to fight it

[real dove]

Be cool... I really want to track it by it's howling

I'm hoping we get a hellhound ww, then a wendigo... Be cool to have bosses that could roam the whole compound instead of just one building. Rotjaw prolongs the fight out in the open by going into the water, I'd think they'd have some kind of way to prolong any other wondering boss's fight

[granite shard]

I've been thinking abt how a werewolf boss could look visually

like obvi they could just make a giant fucked up wolf

but I think a person in this horrifying mid transformation, unable to fully transform into a wolf, but goddamn did the sculptor try, would be cool

[forest stirrup]

Wendigo needs to be the roaming boss, if that's even possible. Even if not... I think a Wendigo is so good it has to make it in. They could do something where it takes over parts of the map, turning non-compound space into its own wild lair. Not as easy to implement as Rotjaw, but has to be easier than doing a completely roaming boss.

[river socket]

Only reason why I wouldn’t want a Wendigo is the region and they’re really played out imo. A psychosis, cannibalistic hunter that traveled from the north by hearing a voice would be interesting if twisted into a legendary character

Wouldn’t be the first myth or story they have as a legendary either, like Frau Perchta/Granny Krampus, Scrooge, and they kinda have the lizardman

Or maybe both if they do come up. One as a boss that’s the mythical beast and a hunter who’s infected by its voice

[real dove]

Eh, but it's a north american creature, just as the rougarou is, there's tons of ways they could change it then the classic super skinny fast creature... tho I am team make it scream and spit poison, just as I want the WW to be the fire roaming boss... hadn;'t considered the aspect of having it create it;'s own lair... would be hard to code in tho

I do hope we get a wild card that has the land of the dead infecting the land of the living...

[cunning bane]

I believe something like a wendigo roaming boss would be awesome, it reflects through the native skins in the game, aswell as the lousisiana voodoo style mixed with hunt, we could see a lot more throwable legendaries, maybe even some more native skins we can see lol, but it’s just an idea, no judgement here tho

[real dove]

yeah, for as many natives as we have, and the location, i think a wendigo makes total sense and would fit right in. dunno how theyre played out, i can onyl think of one in recent games, and it was that until dawn game in 2015...

[rotund ferry]

I'd rather like a roaming boss that hops from tree to tree

Like something that flies

Or a panther of some kind that seems to be a big deal down south

[river socket]

A fire based, werewolf hell hound creature would be cool. If they add a Wendigo I’d like it to be the grey skinned skinny one

[river socket]

A vampiric, bat-like creature that heals itself when you bleed.

Weak to fire and blades

[earnest jungle]

The Wendigo isn’t just some creature like Big Foot or Rouarou. It’s more than just a werewolf or a ghoul, its a monster with deep cultural significance to Algonquin cultures. And for that reason alone I don’t think they should include it. The Wendigo and related monsters come from the Great Lakes Region and the North its not really apart of the indigenous cultures of Louisiana. Maybe if they introduced maps in the Great Lakes region.

There’s also the question of appropriation. The Wendigo is very rarely portrayed respectfully in fiction. It almost always gets divorced from the cultural context it exists in. Until Dawn’s Wendigos are so divorced from Algonquin culture the game isn’t even set in lands that were ever inhabited by Algonquin.

[real dove]

True, and a valid point. I mean no disrespect in my desire to see hunts version of the creature. My main hope has been and will be forever a werewolf. I think they could put in a roaming boss akin to the Wendigo, though not called as such, nor matching to other games versions of it- as someone said before, you could easily have some kind of killer/cannibal come to the swamps just as the assassin did, and be twisted into something different. I'd love to fight it on a dynamic fog map- something like the thundershower (yes, I hate the normal fog map, but have one where the fog ebbs and flows and clears and such... Yes pls) and hear it moving around in the grass... Before a loud ass scream in your ear? Hell yeah. I see what you mean on the chances of them putting the creature in being low, and why. But I also think they could do it in a way that doesn't connect it to the Wendigo of the Natives or disrespect the original story

Dunno about vampires... Perhaps a giant mosquito

As someone who lives in the south, they can carry off a man, so would be accurate

[red spear]

I'd love to see the larger trees in open fields be utilized somehow as well. Like the one south of healing waters where you pick up beetles? Either as the location for a roaming boss compound, or maybe where clues to the roaming boss can be found? Either for a flying creature, or werewolf I don't mind what it is

Because since reading the description for the wormwood mosin legendary I've been curious about the Sculptor's influence on things like the trees

[vast marsh]

I think we need a roaming boss that is constantly surrounded by fog, thing would add to the ambience

[white pasture]

I think 10% of startled crows attack the nearest token carrier within 50m

Or make it 100% of bounty carriers. Radius of aggro shrinks with tokens

[rotund ferry]

May I suggest a youtubner known as Hazmat he did a bunch of Hunt Showdown lore vids.

[untold blaze]

He’s in the server

[zealous palm]

Yeah, I do agree, it probably is wise to avoid using the wendigo or the skinwalkers due to cultural issues.

And a loup garou would be dope

As for vampire...
Just make it Lestat xD

He's mad Louis left him

And there are other monsters from Native myths that could be used, just those two carry particular baggage with them.

Far from the right region, but iirc ,there is one from the plains which is basically just a giant head that gobbles up people as it rolls by

Also, the realization that Rotjaw is a Letieche

When the soul of an unbaptised child inhabits the body of an alligator

[rancid jewel]

They're great

200% recommended

[rotund ferry]

So this guy?

[rotund ferry]

Ah yet another mention of Der Großmann

[vast marsh]

I was thinking more of skunk ape

[untold lodge]

So I never finished the Devils Moon event and from peoples reaction to the lore I stayed away from it but since Chary is in tide I decided to catch up. Did everyone from the Lunar pact except Kevin just die? It kinda just brushes over the climax of the whole thing with Kevin dying to the widow then thats it.

[red spear]

No, everyone is still alive including Kevin. In the afterlife, he sees his parents and they convince him to keep fighting since Chary and the Sculptor are still a threat. The "end" is supposed to be Kevin mailing letters to international hunters asking for help while the AHA implodes on itself.

So while I know the developers said the Moon trilogy's story is done, I'd love to see the return of the characters involved in future storylines. Maybe have certain pacts making allegiances to fight Chary. Because if the Tides series continues in the direction I think it might, Chary is going to make a lot more enemies and it would be neat to see those pacts team up.

[untold lodge]

@red spear Cool. I only ask if everyone else died because it would be weird for Chary to let them live since they just tried to kill him. Also the following chapters mention dozens dead in the fires and the Infernal pact tasked with burning bodies so I figured it was them disposing of Lunar bodies.

[red spear]

@untold lodge it's been a bit since reading the name list of those burned in the fires, but I think Kevin's name is the only one connected to a legendary hunter. So I'm sure that's implying Circe and Moses got away. I'm sure the others on that list were part of the Lunar Pact, but it turns into a bit of red shirt syndrome for anyone who isn't a legendary hunter. Edit: I just realized you were asking about everyone except Kevin. Apologies, slow cognition when just waking up 😅

[unkempt stirrup]

@upbeat kiln you gonna make a story video for this event? I need to hear your silky voice explain to me whats happening.

[vernal stag]

Like most of the lore in game, it's not clear and this is muddied by the fact that some of the devil's moon story is also veiled in the unreliable narriation of being in a fictional book called Lunae Diaboli. But presumably, Kevin sent out a ton of letters around the world to try and recruit people to come to louisiana and fight the corruption, and Elwood Finch took over from Chary as AHA president.

[severe sleet]

Night acolyte vs the witch hunter

[cursive phoenix]

Night acolyte

For sure

[upbeat kiln]

Yes! But it might end up just being the same lazy voice over as per the last couple of events lol

[white pasture]

Not much effort was invested in making a lore coherent narrative in these events. Random shit happens and random characters appear out of nowhere and vanish as suddenly.

Kevin has the contact info for Hunters all over the world? Isnt that convenient. And why seek resources so far away, its not like this isn't something enough men, money and research couldn't figure out. So basically money could solve the issue. This beings arent unknown enough is at least known to classify said beings. This implies a significant amount of contact. Many do have substantially more knowledge of the beings and events occurring in the Bayou than is implied by the tidbits of research and investigative reports and the comments made about them.

It always seemed implausible that ranking members of the AHA didnt have greater understanding of whats going on.

[rotund ferry]

I also have a feeling that Chary was the one who captured Rot Jaw and put the metal cage on him.

[red spear]

Chary was definitely part of capturing Rotjaw, but it was Frederick who made the cage per the instructions of the relic that whispered to him. Not sure how Chary got out of that whole predicament alive given the rest of the Delphine's passengers were disintegrated

[rotund ferry]

I doubt Chary was on the Delphine ...but he likely came back later to steal whatever aritifact that was pulled out of the Land of the Dead usding Rot Jaw.

[red spear]

The relic is still in Rotjaw based on the last chapter by Cardinal Rain.

It's still not clear if Chary really wants the relic exclusively, or if he was looking to use it (and Rotjaw) as a means to making the Delphine into a vessel for souls

[white pasture]

Certainly the intent is to use it as a weapon against the Sculptor. But I have the feeling Chary is in fact has unknowingly been corrupted by the Sculptor hence why everything he/it does benefits it someway.

He even operates in the same way, twisting and warping things into corrupted horrors. Its never stated what the energy the tokens represent is used for but its highly valuable and the AHA appear to be more motivated by farming this resource than addressing the cause. One would think the AHA upper tiers (whoever pays out the bounties and collects the energy) wouldn't allow a random obviously evil, possibly inhuman random like Chary disrupt the supply.

So he either is smart enough not to disrupt it while conducting his experiments which primarily involve expendable trash (Hunters) that are already condemned to die horribly or was sent by the AHA to attempt to fix the shitshow unfolding when he enters the picture.

Hes obviously wealthy, has existent connections with multiple powerful Hunters and people, has vast occult knowledge and resources and does indeed appear to think his actions are for the greater good by harnessing the means and methods of the Sculptor by creating weapons that can possibly harm "it".

[rotund ferry]

Very Likely after Lynch killed Dr. Jones Chary became the AHA only chance of reprelling the Sculptor.

[frozen drift]

I’m just curious… about mr. Chary. A lot of us are aware that he survives the events of the devil’s moon given one of the chapters from Cardinal rain. But he seems to be… less powerful, in a sense. Is anyone getting that?

[real dove]

prolly used up a lot of his juice with the moon stuff, as well as creating the widow...

[red spear]

@frozen drift it seems to be a recurring thing with him. Even as early as Traitor's Moon he has internal dialogue after being shot about how much weaker he's become.

[real dove]

He had access to tons of hunter blood, was able to do occult shit to control the moon, but once the moon turned on him and kevin shot him (with a moon weapon, right? so could also have been affected by that) he wasn't quite as strong, and dude's been forced to chew up a lot of his powers once the moon trilogy really got going. I doubt he's been able to just rest and relax in the land of the dead either, seems like a rather hostile location

[noble scarab]

Gar did a number on him with that hammer, but it also seems like he lost his healing factor and supernatural speed

Maybe whatever Kev did to his skull broke his protections

[rotund ferry]

He's mentioned in a few chapters

I wonder what happened to Mrs. Ochenkov and the other hunters that pledged to Infernal pact

Maybe they cut allegiances to him entirely like what the Viper did

But Mrs. Ochenkov was to act as Mr. Chary's personal bodyguard iirc

additionally Mr. Chary is leading Cardinal Rain and the rest of the Grounded towards Finch and the Smuggler's pact

I haven't gotten far enough into the story to know what happens

but I'm assuming somewhere along the line the Primal will show up and they'll be a huge firefight

and then Rotjaw will show up and cause even more commotion

[red spear]

All of the chapters have been posted a while back if you want a link

Or are you wanting to read the chapters as you unlock them?

[rotund ferry]

the latter

[mellow mantle]

Explain shotgun calibers to me
Bigger number G means bigger shells?

[rotund ferry]

I think this charms fits the description of Leonel Frisk perfectly

It also pairs quite nicely with his Pax claw

[prisma plover]

gentlepeople where do I start w/ the lore

[white pasture]

Mrs Ochenkov was a prototype of trying to weaponize and control Grunts to create a new breed of Hunter, not his personal bodyguard.

Its why she has metal armatures binding her. And why she is so distraught because she is aware but cant control herself.

[rotund ferry]

Mr. Chary did succeed in controlling her, and the reason I say she's his bodyguard is because of what happened during Devil's moon when Kevin almost killed Chary and Ochenkov swooped in and "killed" Kevin.

I don't think the metal enoskeleton has anything to do with binding her either. I think it's additional support so that she can still function.

some more unspecified magical voodoo is probably what binds her to obey Chary

[red spear]

The pinned messages are a great starting point. If YouTube videos are more your jam, I highly recommend the YouTuber @upbeat kiln

And if you have more specific questions, don't hesitate to ask them here 🙂

[prisma plover]

Thank you! 🙂 I’ll give hazmat a go for now.

[wraith cove]

The opposite

[mellow mantle]

Why

[wraith cove]

Fuck if i know i didnt invent them think the largest we have in game would technically be the terminus which is supposed to be a 10 gauge

Rest are 12 outside of the lemats those not a clue probaly comparable to a .410

[lavish mist]

lemat 20ga

[devout mortar]

I wonder who Marshall Brewer is based on

i have tried to search the list of Louisiana marshals

[slim star]

I don’t know if it’s ok to post here but, gauge is an old measurement of ammunition size based on 1 lb of lead.

12 gauge = the diameter of a sphere of lead that is 1/12lb of lead.

Also known as where the Gauge # = # of identical spheres you can get from 1 lb of lead. More gauge = more spheres = smaller spheres = smaller diameters = smaller projectile.

To tie this into hunt lore to make sure I didn’t break any rules, if you notice on the Terminus- based on the Winchester 1887- there are markings which display “10 gauge”, a very popular for the late 1800’s cartridge thus indicating Hunt Showdown may occur around the late 1800’s.

[earnest jungle]

It takes place in 1895

No matter how little sense it makes As Bad as they Seem, The Moon Trilogy, and Tide of Shadows all take place in the Summer of 1895

[mellow mantle]

Not really?

It's probably 1896

[rotund ferry]

Oh boy another game's date discussion

Well personally I'd say the game takes place during 1904 by this point but the dates of the game constantly shift around but according to the event stories during Devil's moon and Tide of Shadows those being the only two hunt showdown events I've been apart of are dated 1895.

I'll also add that Hunt is not realistic by any means but if it was the date would be 1916 because of the Avtomat's existence

A friend of mine and I debated for a bit about the Avtomat's existence in the game from a historical standpoint and we both ended up coming to the conclusion that in times of crisis technology can be drastically improved upon since during these specific times a sense of morality or well-being can be thrown out the window

For example in 1939 the idea of an Atomic bomb was seeningly a fairytale but in 1942 construction of the first one was already underway and by 1945 it was ready to be used.

[earnest jungle]

Nope it all takes place in the summer of 1895 the devs have confirmed this in and out of text

[slow pebble]

^

[rotund ferry]

In the Hunt Showdown universe the Mauser C96 was made a year earlier than it actually was. Although I'm not aware of this historically I'm pretty sure that Mauser probably had testable prototypes by 1895 and it was only being mass produced by 1896

[earnest jungle]

There is certain stuff that proceeded the Summer of 1895 and resources that were written after the Summer of 1895 that are about the Summer of 1895 but the game itself takes place in the summer 1895 and anything that happens in game is set in the Summer of 1895

[earnest jungle]

Prototypes are the canonical explanation

[rotund ferry]

I think its also important to note that Hunt showdown is a series of prequel events. The actual date that the lore and information is being read from is 1904.

[earnest jungle]

It’s more like the Lore is an epilogue

[rotund ferry]

The infection is being viewed by a researcher from a historical view

I'm curious to know if by 1904 the infection is still a thing or if the world found a way to stop it from spreading.

It'd be cool if the infection went up to the 20th century

Fighting hordes of infected monstrosities in the trenches during the first world War sounds metal as fuck

Like the older cod zombies

[earnest jungle]

The researcher notes indicate that the general consensus is that by the time of the author’s present time the Infection is gone and has been for a while

According to the researcher there are cynics who believe the infection never went away but theirs is are a fringe opinion

[rotund ferry]

I didn't know that
I don't exactly read all the lore when I'm in the game

[upbeat kiln]

Second this.

[rotund ferry]

It's easy to understand why some people might be skeptical of something like that really being gone or just being dormant for the time being

[earnest jungle]

Especially since there is evidence that the Infection has been around since at the very least 1812 if not longer

Personally I am of the belief that for as long as humans have inhabited what is now Louisiana the Infection has existed

[rotund ferry]

So here's my headcanon,
The year is 1895 and a series of infections are occurring that bring forth unfathomable horrors to life
By 1904 the infection had long since been gone until 1942 when it comes back again...
Cue Treyarch origins trailer
https://youtu.be/TS701bMxmSI

And then by the 80s the infection is still around... https://youtu.be/IjxFtFwY6jk

The existence of powerful biological altering drugs in Hunt showdown implies a connection to Resident evil and nothing can change my mind

[slim star]

Yeah, I know the game takes place in 1895- summer, but I just needed a way to wiggle in lore via a technicality to an explanation 🙂

[noble scarab]

with Desalle, we may also be seeing a bit of fall

[real dove]

^ we have a spring, summer, and fall map. Or at the least, two summer and a very clear fall map. Unless the infection is killing the trees.

So there is some passing of time... but the fact that the dates we get are all over the place makes it hard to line stuff up- as folks have said here before, the Moon trilogy, the Tide of Shadows, and BATS all appear to be happening at the same time. WHILE i can argue that we have really long summers in the south- it's usually full leaf green by may and it'll start changing colors around end of september (maybe, fall has been iffy these last few years), We'd have to have the moons happening at the start of summer and going into mid summer, with TOS happening around... now really, when hurrican season actually starts and we see more afternoon rainstorms akin to the thundershower

I wish the devs would sit down and go over their dates some, create something that feels less hodgepodge. I can't recall what dates we had on the moon trilogy vs these to compare them... I get that they are trying to keep the time still at 1895, but if they want events, we're gonna need to move that forward some. Assuming our lorekeeper is in 1904 and the sculptor has been dealt with, there is still a good amount of time for them to use before that point... or have the fight against the sculptor go into the land of the dead, where we know time is..odd.

[amber harbor]

What evidence?

[earnest jungle]

The History of Blanchett Graves Blog Post talks about a how during the Hurricane of 1812 12 survivors became trapped in Blanchett Graves and resorted to cannibalism before dying. And that those who found the remains quote “perished of an unknown infection.”

Which makes it sound like the 12 survivors had become grunts while trapped at Blanchett Graves

[red spear]

I might just put together a simple spreadsheet to track the timeline with the documents that do have dates. Because the collective sentiment here has been "when the hell is everything going on?" for over a month. And I don't know about y'all, but it's driving me crazy

[noble scarab]

I think our future lore guy is at least close to modern day given how they treat the info as so dated. We also see in the now not necessarily canon case book that there’s modern AHA graffiti

[real dove]

If you drop a link to a google spreadsheet, I'll help when I have time

[real dove]

Huh. Was not aware it was modern, assumed it was just graffiti of the times- since we have evidence of "graffiti" since roman times.

[noble scarab]

I’d have to go back and look but I think it was spray paint on concrete

The text says late 19th century, which would date it to about the time of hunt I guess

[real dove]

Ah. Can't be spray paint, didn't exist until 1949, but could just be regular paint i guess. or charcoal. Did have to double check when photos appear in newspapers- 1880s so still checks out. :/

[upbeat kiln]

Do we have confirmation that Gar is indeed Enola reborn?

[hasty raven]

Nope

[regal trout]

Is The Rat is dead?

Sad

[granite shard]

rat's for sure dead, I don't think the skinned's coming back from his stab, and the hornback got concertina'd but she could survive

[regal trout]

Sucks her soul is probably uh

Sacrificed to the Rotjaw? Or something?

[rotund ferry]

skinned was a likely candidate to die because after this whole Tide of the Shadows shenanigans he'd just turn around and try to kill Reptilian again

[hasty raven]

The Skinned probably survived due to Relentless

Since we know the pact traits are diegetic

The Rat, don't know how you could come back from having your soul sacrificed or whatever happened

[rotund ferry]

I was gonna say

how is rat dead if she's got mariner but you cleared that up for me

[hasty raven]

We don't know how death cheat works canonically yet though

So it's not impossible that anyone in the event could come back

[rotund ferry]

So is the civil war between the Moon Knight and Mr. Chary still going on

[red spear]

We have no idea 🙃

Probably, based on Kev's parents telling him Chary is still a threat that needs to be dealt with. But canonically there is no follow up to their conflict, just Kevin sending letters to international hunters

It would be neat to see Gar and Kevin team up against Chary. Both have tried to kill him, they each have a connection to otherworldly forces, they've both died and been resurrected by said forces. If Gar is Enola in some capacity, then the two also share the fact Chary has exploited and hurt the thing they cherish most. And overall thematically it just makes sense with the duality of the moon and tides, fire and water.

[rotund ferry]

So Let me get this straight Rot Jaw was an alligator that was brought into the future via a time warp and developed strange powers and Fredrick under the orders of Mr Chary tired to use the gator as a conduit to bring an artifact from the land of the dead somthing whent wrong everyone on the Delphine got killed and Rot Jaw ate the arifact and escaped and like everything else in the Byou, got cloned. So Mr Chary made Rot Jaw a Hunter bounty in the hopes someone finds the One Rot Jaw that has the arifact?

[red spear]

Pretty certain there's no time warp happening. The land of the Dead is weird in that I guess time still moves in the same way as it does in our world, but it feels like it passes differently since people don't age, or feel hunger or thirst and days look static based on the Navigator and Enola saying the Moon never moves

[rotund ferry]

Dosnet the Rot Jaw Lore claim it was from the Revolutionary war era.

[red spear]

And I've been wondering if Rotjaw follows the same banish rules as everything else in the Bayou. The entry from Frederick in Rotjaw's mastery says she will live countless lives (or something like that? don't quote me) through what he called arc bloom

[rotund ferry]

Because it mentiins it killing a ship full of redcoats.

[red spear]

I'd need to do the math, but by the time Rotjaw is born Enola has spent like 60+ years in the land of the Dead

Just based on her writing something absurd like day 2000 and something in her journal

Okay, looking back at the entry, Enola says the Redcoats were swept away into the land of the Dead with her during the hurricane in 1812, and then it's not until day 28,900 (good God girl, I would have stopped counting after like day 50) that Rotjaw hatches

[rotund ferry]

I wonder if Enola is actually a human being or something like a massive Cthulhu type monster

[noble scarab]

she seems to be a normal human, at least till lynch gets ahold of her

well as normal as someone can be that's spent ~80 years in the land of the dead

[rotund ferry]

SO basicaonly Enola and Rot Jaw were on a briitish ship that got caught int the relm of the dead and emrged years later though the crew and passengers no time passed.

[noble scarab]

rotjaw hatched out of an egg she brought in with her as i recall

and the british ship was coincidental, they all got swept up in the same storm

[earnest jungle]

Might not have been a complete coincidence I think there is some kind of link between blood shed, hurricanes, and the passage into the land of the dead

In the Storm the British Ships became confused a fired on each other Enola was doused in the blood and guts of a dead sailor prior to sailing into the lands of the dead

[rotund ferry]

So that whole deal about "riding" rotjaw was in the literal sense huh

[earnest jungle]

In Rains Chapter? Yeah that was literal

[rotund ferry]

yeah I rememeber reading somewhere that Gar wanted to ride it

but I guess Cardinal rain beat her to it

[zenith perch]

Is Rat dead in the lore now?

[rotund ferry]

yeah

Skinned and Hornback may or may not also be dead

It doesn't really elaborate in Chapter twelve of the story other than "she gurlges in the water" but I think it might be referring to Rotjaw and not Cardinal Rain

[zenith perch]

Another question

Is Felis dead? Cause those dusters were hers that the Ward has, right?

That the Reptillian left behind

[hasty raven]

The Monongahela Bruisers were the Reptilian's, gifted to him by Felis, I thought

[zenith perch]

its says it could have been a gift or a trophy, wnated to know what you guys might have thought

[severe sleet]

Reptilian x felis??

[tidal tinsel]

I like the skinned i hope he survived being impaled

[wraith cove]

Thought someone said rat survived via deathcheat they say they brought her remains to some sort of alter right

[hasty raven]

No confirmation but it's possible because we haven't had Death Cheat explained canonically yet like the other traits

[noble scarab]

The Rats soul got evaporated so I kinda doubt she lived

Only Gar mentioned having death cheat, but it’s possible the Skinned did as well

[hasty raven]

The Skinned could have survived with Relentless

[red spear]

I'm pretty sure was she half dead and dragged to the altar to be a soul sacrifice. Or that's what I gathered based on a later chapter by the Navigator saying he'd make altars of himself to find deckhands and crew for the Delphine.

Which makes me think, are the mysterious unidentified people making the altars the souls of previous sacrifices? And not grunts?

[vocal night]

What are all cannon deaths

Canon,z

Canon*

[clear mortar]

So who's the captain that we hear about from the smugglera pact?

[rotund ferry]

John Robertson (The Revenant) was killed and resurrected by Doctor John, I think Billy Story and Blackcoat are both dead, Mrs. Ochenkov was alive at one point but now she's a supernatural weapon, Kevin Linus has died several times but the Moon resurrects him, Bennett Hudson (The Infected) suffers from necrosis caused by the infection and is in a half-dead state and I believe Frank Gravel (the Skinned) and Tona Ramirez (The Rat) are definitely dead.

[vocal night]

ty

[rotund ferry]

According to Chapter 10 of the event story I personally believe the Captain to be Finch

or maybe not

Chapter 8 says that "Captain left to talk to that man, Finch."

so this unnamed Captain and Finch are two entirely different people
In Chapter 5 of the event the Wayward Helmsman indicates the Captain "smells land worn. A coward, even." Which does fit the description of the Captain of the Delphine. So maybe the Captain that the Smuggler pact answers to is the original Captain of the Delphine since he abandoned ship before everyone else did which is just not very Captain like for him not to go down with the ship!

[hasty raven]

I don't believe the Skinned is dead

They make a big point of the pact traits in the event lore, so the Skinned should have Relentless

[red spear]

Wish they had elaborated a little more on Finch's involvement with the Smugglers.

Like, is this his move after the AHA Louisiana branch implodes? He thinks the Smugglers are the best chance at fighting the Sculptor?

[rotund ferry]

Yeah I've noticed that but the only two indications of traits that I've noticed in the event is Chapter 2 where Cardinal Rain talks about the Shadow perk and Chapter 8 where Wayward Helmsman talks about the Mariner perk.

I don't know if there is any indication in one of the Gar chapters about Relentless

[hasty raven]

Cardinal Rain also used Remedy in one chapter, and Gar references 'being relentless'

[red spear]

Gar talks about Instinct. It's how she knows Chary is close by before hitting him upside the head with a hammer

[hasty raven]

Yeah she uses Instinct too

[rotund ferry]

We'll just say for the record that they do indeed have these perks

but even so Relentless doesn't keep you from dying. That would be Death cheat.

gamewise a player that gets revived doesn't lose a bar when downed that is what Relentless does but lorewise I'm not sure what that would mean

[hasty raven]

Well it didn't say the Skinned died. My point is Relentless may have allowed him to survive such an injury

Assuming not losing a health chunk in gameplay translates to being resilient to grievous injury in lore which is reasonable imo

[rotund ferry]

I'm basing my knowledge that Skinned is dead by the fact that a bomb lance one shots players in game

now unless Skinned was revived during the fight then him having Relentless wouldn't even matter he'd be dead

unless Relentless does something entirely different in the lore than what it does in the game

[red spear]

Unless behind the scenes Reptilian or Scaled Ward helped the Skinned and Hornback retreat from the fight, I'm assuming they're dead

[hasty raven]

I'm just saying don't be surprised if they're not

There's a reasonable way for them to have survived

[rotund ferry]

It's up in the air for now

Although I'd like it if the gator squad made it out of the fight in one piece

I don't think Hornback is dead because you can survive getting snarled by concertina wire

[red spear]

I wouldn't be surprised either way it goes, they live or die. There's so much detail left out of the lore when it comes to the end of big fights

[rotund ferry]

You can't survive a direct hit back slash from a bomb lance

[rotund ferry]

Someone should make a video that recreates these fights

unfortunately you're not able to set up your own lobby and do a roleplay with the specified characters

and I think you can only bring in 3 players at the shooting range

I guess you could recruit a bunch of the specified hunters and go into shooting range and do certain scenes one by one and edit it afterwards to make it look like a larger fight

[red spear]

Stop tempting me! I have way too many ideas for fanart for this game, I don't need to add more to the ever growing list 😫

[rotund ferry]

It's an idea

[red spear]

If ripping the maps and character models were easier, I'd want to put together a bunch of scenes from the lore, not just the fights, but a) that's probably not allowed and b) I'm still super new to 3d animation

[amber harbor]

Is rezzing hunters canon in lore?

[untold blaze]

Who got Lanced?

[hasty raven]

Skinned

[rotund ferry]

yeah

There's so many legendary hunters that are proof of that

[red spear]

Do you mean hunters rezzing other hunters similar to the game? Or just hunters coming back from the dead in general?

[untold blaze]

He dead as hell

Mf gets introduced during the last event, tries to kill reptilian, gets sent to god

[rotund ferry]

he basically shows up with mid ass alligator drip and tries to take out the one with the best alligator drip

[untold blaze]

Yeah, he tries the whole “you killed my father!” Schtick but then gets curbstomped

[clear mortar]

Hope we learn more about the captain only because the smugglers is my favorite pact

[real dove]

dude isnt wearing gator drip, he's wearing a croc

Gharials are crocs, not gators. Regardless, he shoulda known better than to throw down with the man wearing the gator hides

[river socket]

I think so since Perchta did it in the trailer and I believe they mention the other grounded doing it

[noble scarab]

We also see attempted rez’ in a few other trailers

[real dove]

are the trailers canon now?

[hasty raven]

Why not?

I know the trailer for Hawkshaw and Private Eye shows an event that's also described in the Libre de Armamentaris

[real dove]

It was my understanding they weren't canon, or should be taken with a grain of salt.

could just be the older ones tho, be neat if the newer ones were canon