lore-discussion

[strange sleet]

In the hunt lore is there one of each boss or a bunch of them

[verbal rock]

many have existed, but never more than one of each at a time

they remanifest after banishment

[rotund ferry]

It's believed that the Sculptor resurrects them

Scrapbeak according to lore the lore is one special individual

But in Butcher, Assassin and Spider's case they're also considered special individuals but you could technically make more of them since butcher is just a taxidermied meat head and Spider came about through mass burial and rituals

[visual finch]

But Assassin is a specific individual too, and if i remember correctly Spider is a specific conglomeration of dead people

[real dove]

So the bosses- and also the other enemies (besides the water devils, which I think just breed and spilt into new swarms) are clones, the sculptor takes the grunts and twists them into the enemies. However, the bosses are given part of the soul of the original boss. Technically I think they are called demons, but regardless the scupltor makes a "shell" and shoves a part of the OG boss in there, that's how they keep em consistent in behavior.

There was an OG meat head (child of a hunter who got knocked up), og armored/concertina armored, hellhound, etc... and the sculptor basically went owo what's this mine now and copy and pastes versions all over, creating the unending tide of undead. We also know the ground can "store" bodies from chary, so that's my personal thought on where the corpses of the AI I kill go- they're then recycled and re-animated for the next hunters to come throuhg

[verbal rock]

where did you get this idea that the grunts are "twisted" into the forms of the others?

[real dove]

In the Q&A with the devs (look in the lore stuff pinned- there's a google doc with a bunch of stuff folks ahve put together) they explain this

They didn't want hunt to be a "retelling"- ie, each time the hunters step into the swamp it's simply a retelling of a prior time... but needed to explain why you see the same bosses/enemies... so the sculptor copys and pastes things. however, you need a base for your monster, and what better one than the most common enemy? I still think having the ground absorb the bodies and have the sculptor reanimate them using the fractured soul of the OG creature limits the amount of bodies being dumped into the corruption, but we also have fresh bodies in the form of hunters dying or not making it out

[granite bronze]

howdy whats the best way to learn about the lore?

[rotund ferry]

Read whatever you can in game. The best place to start is going down the list of weapon and monster entries also including hunter, weapon and skin descriptions since that's where most of the definitive lore is located.

There's also plenty of Youtubers who associate their channels with the lore of the game @granite bronze

I'd just recommend learning what you can at your own pace though since most of the lore is undecided or up for interpretation but there's a handful of it that is generally concrete enough to understand

Hunt has lore but Crytek isn't really in the business of expanding or elaborating on it since Hunt is first and foremost an pve-pvp extraction shooter and not an rpg

Although now that I bring it up a standalone story-based game set in the Hunt showdown universe sounds kinda cool

Like essentially rdr2 or Witcher but Hunt

[red spear]

I was hoping trials would have been more like this. Like mini campaigns or storylines that also helped newer players learn the layouts of compounds

[rotund ferry]

Yeah I don't know if the base game is the best to build off of that idea that's why I say standalone something like a hunt themed Witcher esc game would have to be developed from scratch

[white pasture]

@real dove I think Grunts were created by exposure to the Sculptor or the areas energy behaves similar to a disease and then copied the results. Most of the monsters origin story is due to the area and the energy that saturates the place. Lots of weird shit goes down and Sculptor co-ops it

[real dove]

yes, however what are the copies made from? Grunts are also copy pasted, moreso than any other AI. Clearly it takes more to copy paste stronger AI- hence why we get one copy of a boss, a handful meatheads, a scattering of armoreds, a good number of hives, and tons of grunts.

No argument to what you said, but the question they asked was how did I know that the sculptor uses grunts as the base and while i still have to find the actual source, I've seen it repeated in this chat (not that it's the most reliable lol)

[restive patrol]

https://youtu.be/ga34IHKdVMU

[real dove]

word so yeah, they start with grunts and become copies. thanks for finding it!

[white pasture]

Yes, Sculptors presence manifests similar to a disease or infection. Undead are a by product of that exposure and Sculptor copied them.

[sinful warren]

Been a while since I came here

Time to feed myself with lore

[white pasture]

you can do that?

[icy brook]

A small detail, but Felis has an armguard on her bow arm, so I’m wondering if she will ever get a hunting bow skin

[red garden]

Did the demonic presence just intrude into realty one day or was the Sculptor summoned?

[white pasture]

Implied such events occur periodically over the globe. Often enough for organizations to exist that are aware of them.

[left junco]

@lean spear

[frail fiber]

So I've been thinking lately, What if hunters had specific traits to compliment their backstories?

[rotund ferry]

not sure if it's true but I've been told some hunters are more likely to roll certain traits when you recruit them

[zinc depot]

i don't think that's true. I've heard legendary hunters all come with the same specific traits for the free copy you get (and due to a bug, the first one you buy after that too) but after that it's the same randomness for every hunter

[real dove]

yeah, they will probably never have specific traits for specific hunters- will make some hunters more valuable than others and thus harder to sell the ones not desired traitwise

[rotund ferry]

I've never really tested it so I'm on the bench about it

[frail fiber]

It was definitely the same for my first two hunters and the traits matched the weapon loadout Carter came with.

[red garden]

Am I weird for preferring the generic Hunters to "named" Hunter skins (with a few exceptions like the shrine maiden)?

The named skins are cool, I just like imagining/guessing backstories for the generic Hunters.

I.e. how some of them are probably Civil War vets turned hired guns based on the uniforms they're still wearing.

Or whatever on Earth would compel a dyed-in-the-wool Southern belle in a fancy expensive dress to venture into the muddy, lethal Louisiana bayous.

[unique tree]

Is the Researcher skin Harold Black himself?

Also how can I find out about the nature of whatever it is we're fighting?

Like is it a virus, and experiment, or something otherworldly?

[hasty raven]

1. No
2. Lore youtubers, only one I know is Hazmat, or entries in the monster and gun books
3. Otherworldly

[rotund ferry]

Horros beyond our comprehension

[white pasture]

Really I thought was supposed to be Harold Black and the women he speaks about is the Archeologist?

[hasty raven]

I think his name is said in his in-game bio

[white pasture]

He has a camera, scientist and in bayou?

yep names him in Bio as Black

well, kinda heh

[modest turtle]

yo guys

whys there a hole in my underwear

that isnt supposed to be there

[hasty raven]

The damn Sculptor must be behind this

[rotund ferry]

Possibly more Chary shenanigans

Likely one of his experiments at your expense

My assumption is he was trying to grow a tail on you

[lament forum]

So, serious question

Is butcher gay?

[upbeat kiln]

Made out of clay ≠ gay

[stone lake]

wait the butcher is made from clay?

[upbeat kiln]

Sure is!

[stone lake]

wtf, that thing got skin and bones

[upbeat kiln]

It's a clay mould with the corpse of a meathead pulled over it, coated in a superb flame retardant, and then revived by a lightning strike.

(allegedly)

[stone lake]

I don't want to play this game anymore

[real dove]

Don't forget the pig head mounted on a stick to give him a 'head'! 😄

If you don't like him, don't look to close to the "spider" lol

[earnest jungle]

The Spider is actually made out of human remains of a group of survivors that were tortured to death and then twisted into the shape of a spider so as to hunt down and eliminate those creations the Sculptor has lost control of or no longer needs

[stone lake]

I'm going back to tarkov

[earnest jungle]

The Assassin can transform into a living carpet of beetles

While the Scrapbeak is just a civil war vet have a normal one in the Bayou

And the bird face isn’t a mask that’s part of his skull

[white pasture]

@earnest jungle That'd what is the Sculptor uses the Spider for it didn't make the Spider.

[jagged tangle]

its a mask its just attatched to his face, its like part of his head now

and the reason hes got all that stuff on his back is cuz he was a horder and really liked to collect various things, just to like make stuff or sum

[rotund ferry]

Hives were once pregnant women

https://tenor.com/view/sink-deep-emotional-door-open-gif-24011307

[stone lake]

wait what

[rotund ferry]

Hives were pregnant women before the infection then the baby sort of turns into the hive and uses mama as a flesh puppet

Also Grunts are fully aware of themselves and don't actually want to attack you but they don't have control over their actions and are suffering by living so killing them is a mercy

That's why Sheriff Hardin burned a barn full of people so thoughtful of him 😊 💞

[white pasture]

Only one Hive all others are clones/.

[mellow mantle]

Pretty sure hives aren't made out of pregnant women

[red spear]

It's insinuated that the thing Ada Ruth was pregnant with when she was 13 is the same thing that turned her mom into the OG hive

[rotund ferry]

This can be said for quite a few of the monsters that the Sculptor has reign over

Sculptor really is a menace he's using illegal cloning technology

[white pasture]

All of the monsters it has reign over..m

The Grunts are implied to be a by product of exposure to either the Sculptor. Whose mere presence causes all the bugs and weird organic insect shit all over.

Or exposure to that area in general. Dimensional walls thin all sorts of weird energy. Sculptor didn't cause the rupture but came to the area because of it.

Entire area is lethal and not just because of the Sculptor

[mellow mantle]

The best thing is we don't really know

[white pasture]

@red spear But it was a singular event. And all Hives are direct copies of that one example. All the bosses and specials are specific examples not related to sculptor who then copies

[mellow mantle]

Because writers didn't tell us shit

[white pasture]

There is a good deal of info though

We know the origins of most monsters

[red spear]

Yeah I know that. I was talking solely about the original hive

[rotund ferry]

I wonder if Sculptor has reign over Rotjaw

[red spear]

Rotjaw may fall into line with how the Sculptor reuses other bosses after their initial creation

[rotund ferry]

It's likely that the Sculptor does have some sort of influence over it but in the trailer for Rotjaw it specifies that a "man who has traveled to another place, the land of the dead" used "Rotjaw the monster" to "bring something back"

[red spear]

So she might be brought into our world by this mysterious "man" that the Rotjaw video talks about, but any instances of her afterwards are just creations by the Sculptor

yeah pretty much what you said

[rotund ferry]

so basically what you're saying is the man the trailer is referring to could be the Sculptor?

it would make sense tbh since everything he has influence over seems to be rotting and decaying so his trip to the land of the dead would have some sort of reasoning for that

[red spear]

No, the guy who originally uses her to bring something back is different from the sculptor

though I'm curious to see if this "guy" is anyone that's been mentioned in previous lore

I partially hope it has a little bit of relation to Jos and Fin's story since they also walked through the land of the dead

[rotund ferry]

the guy could also be Mr. Chary maybe

[red spear]

I was thinking that too

I'm curious to see what the devs say in the stream tomorrow about the new pacts

[rotund ferry]

I think Rotjaw and Slimecraw would make good buddies

[red spear]

Because I'm really hoping they touch on the ones made in Devil's Moon. I mean, they kind of have to seeing as two of them heavily rely on burning the entire Bayou to the ground. And the introduction of the thunderstorm wildcard and talk of "something swallowing the sun whole" kind of puts a damper on their plans

[red spear]

Best buds

[rotund ferry]

Ironically enough there was an event like this in for honor where everything was a hot desert covered in dust and sand and then the event directly after that was continious rainfall and massive flooding

[red spear]

I mean, it makes sense from a thematic writing standpoint

you go from hellfire to biblical flooding

[rotund ferry]

and I thought the only ones trying to burn down the Bayou were the Lunar pact and that was because they were burning this incense to weaken and draw out Chary and his forces

[rotund ferry]

yeah the biblical referencing is definitely there

[red spear]

I'm just hoping there could be something mixed in later down the road with the moon dictating the tides as was touched on at the very beginning of the moon trilogy

it would be a nice nod to old pacts while furthering the story

[red spear]

Sooooo heh

I don't know if peeps missed this little detail in the note Circe wrote to Kevin

But she writes, "...and they are not the only ones who can ravage with fire."

Meaning, the infernal pact was starting fires before the Lunar pact even knew about oleander

[rotund ferry]

I thought Circe was trying to avoid burning stuff since the war between the infernal and lunar was destroying ecological data and research or something

[red spear]

No, that's the archeologist. Circe is the witch hunter

[rotund ferry]

yeah my bad I get legendary hunter names mixed up

yeah Circe was a lunar member

so yeah I guess infernal was trying to burn stuff down

[red spear]

Same, there's so many to keep track of now

[rotund ferry]

since Mr. Chary is against the Sculptor and infection

[red spear]

I mean, it makes sense for their pact traits that they would be to reducing damage from fire. Because if in the initial days of Lunar and Infernal fighting, infernal would want to have an advantage of fighting with fire without getting burned themselves

I couldn't see Chary being the kind of guy to let Kevin and burning oleander dictate the powers he gives his hunters. He would have been on the offensive from the start, hence starting the fires first

lowkey headcanon time: I'm hoping there is a pact introduced with Tide of Shadows or one of the other events of this trilogy that is more heavily reliant upon water themes (like a god of the oceans or waters of the Bayou, much like the moon is its own entity) that looks at what lunar is doing and just says, "this is not the way, fam."

[rotund ferry]

I heard talk that at some point they're bringing back pacts and perks like death cheat again

but that's just rumors and nothing concrete

[red spear]

Yeah, we'll have to wait and see what they say tomorrow

[real dove]

Yeah, they mention pacts in the trailer, I assume we are getting that back again.

[unkempt aspen]

maybe in another form, as we could see red glowing perk pickups on the supply point?

[granite shard]

I doubt it's going to be lunar/grounded/infernal this time

I think they're going to focus on rotjaw

my theory is:
cool indigenous hunter: anti-rotjaw pact
hot goth gf: pro-rotjaw pact
muzzle guy: muzzle guy

(he's gonna be part of the third group like how grounded was people kinda unaligned to either of the other pacts/vaguely opposed the other two)

[real dove]

yeah, I don't think it will be akin to the lunar pacts, i think you're right about the factions. We'll get the reptilian gang for sure, and some kind of fucked up half dead voodoo group to go with whatever is going on with rotjaw, and the group just there to hunt fo sho. Maybe Finch finally had enough of everyone's shit and ferried Huff back from the dead to make everyone work together again lol

doubt

but would be funny

[granite shard]

I wouldn't be surprised to see chary be the driving force behind rotjaw coming to the bayou but I'm curious to see what was taken from it

I'd love to see lynch be brought back, I love a girlboss who commits atrocities

[real dove]

Same. She and Chary are our two clearly more than human character, I know Fina technically too but Crytek has seemingly forgotten about them so :/, would really love to see her return

[granite shard]

I'd sell multiple organs to see jos and fin as legendary hunters

[real dove]

quietly hoping we get a werewolf roamer that finishes the Frisk family out too, be so nice to have some stuff in the lore kinda wrapped up and not just... discarded

yeah! They were such a big part of the game lore

[granite shard]

tbh I think it's less that the wolf family's lore has been discarded and more that the way they deliver lore (largely in book of weapons) isn't super well suited to handle the stories of all of the legendary hunters

so they have to pick and choose which ones go to which guns since we get new guns at a slower rate than hunters

[real dove]

true. have said before, will say again, i like the new hunters... but would be really cool if we got variations on them that kinda flesh them out... we have the precedent with viper and pertcha, so why not take some of the legendaries, re skin, add new lore, etc... there are clear favs among the crowd, but also would let some of the stories actually be furthered

We know some of the guys are technically dead, looking at you, billy story and blackcoat, so why not make them undead skins akin to the rev and thus add to the lore of why they are still out there hunting?

idk

it's a dream

[granite shard]

I'm a known lulu & sofia stan and one of my big wishes is to see them after a few months on the hunt

like will lulu finally wear pants? what if they have little matching trinkets

I'd also like to see maskless varients of masked hunters so I can know what their faces look like but that's bc I'm an artist 😂

[real dove]

Yeah. And these dudes running around in heavy ass fur coats... dog we know you're gonna be discarding that asap. If you're worried about bites, get some leather armor or such, wearing a grizzly bear makes no sense. I know it's a game but still... Felis is still one of my fav hunters, i'd pay to get a feral version with the cougar bones as forearm armor and the pelt wrapped around her waist, etc... be neat to see the faces too, agree on that

but mostly... i just want them to wrap up at least one of the dang stories they've made

and if you can't do it with events or book of weapons/monsters... then do it with hunter skins

or gun skins. give Lulu/sofia cute matching guns, or a dang locket charm

[silent pond]

Wait, if all hives are copies then how come there's evidence of a person who survived almost becoming a Hive?
It's in the Monstorum, you unlock it after killing a certain number of hives (ofc), and it's basically a letter from the POV of a woman who, due to surgery in the form of a C-section, had the hive removed before it could grow enough to snap her in half.

Genuinely confused here.

[silent pond]

Here's what I'm talking about

[real dove]

that became the meathead i believe.

the hives are copies of her mother, who became the OG hive the sculptor copied

oop repeated my self

[silent pond]

Can't be the meathead, because it's clearly stated to have been a hive. The meathead was born looking like a meathead iirc

Of course, I could just straight up be wrong. I don't have everything unlocked for it yet

[white pasture]

Because, the same weird occult influences were also infected the daughter. There may be more hive incidents but the ONE hive model we see is a clone of the mother in the story.

Identical clothes etx

@silent pond Meat result of female Hunters getting pregnant. It's the "vaccine" they take its inherently corrupting in body and soul.

Human sacrifice and torture and demons are involved in making it...

Or least hoe Lynch makes it and all Hunters show same symptoms.

[real dove]

oop sorry i miss read that, the meathead was a preggo hunter lady's child.

[white pasture]

How

Yeah, two Hunters had a kid.

[real dove]

yarp. got them mixed up.

[white pasture]

New "vaccine" sterilize now

[real dove]

three pregnancies- one became hive, one was csectioned and showed how hives originated, one became meathead

yep

[white pasture]

Well hive wasn't from Hunters just folks living in the Zone

[real dove]

yes, i know

clarifying my misinformation

[white pasture]

Basically entire area is the Twilight zone. Sculptor influence causes Grunts and all the weird organic looking shitm

[silent pond]

I see. I'll make note of that

[white pasture]

Kinda implied Grunts aren't directly controlled by Sculptor kinda warped and copied by the area.

[real dove]

is anything directly controlled?

[white pasture]

Belive specials and bosses

[real dove]

Seemed more that the sculptor creates/copies/corrupts but does not actually control anything

[white pasture]

Since they guard shit.

[real dove]

what do the bosses guard?

[white pasture]

Bosses are invested with shards of the Sculptor

That's what we farm

And why only one can exist at a timem

[silent pond]

Better answer than what I was about to guess

[real dove]

the bounties? those are just remnants of the bosses from what I'd read on the lore page

[white pasture]

Yeah, residual energy of Sculptor

Why they get banished with magic.

Hunters also use magic actively.

Also.implied non-hunters also practice magic.

Banishing,necro,serpent just res in general.

Many traits are implied to be "boons" from other "powers" in Bayou

[real dove]

Hm. my understanding was/is that the bounties are "unique bodyparts containing a part of the soul" off the lore page with the QnA. I take that as the soul of the og boss/demon, nothing related to sculptor

Since we know that the are reanimated with fragmental soul parts from the OG monster

[white pasture]

The bosses are clones of sculptor. But require a shard of the sculptor

Originally the plan was killing the bosses would stop sculptor or were

[real dove]

where did you get the shard from?

[white pasture]

But they kept coming back

Dunno, I assume the gross organization shit is where the Sculptor makes things?

You can sometimes see partial formed stuff in them.

[silent pond]

I can't help but feel like you're pulling this out of your ass, GrYeYeS. No offense

[real dove]

no, like where does it say that the bosses contain part of the sculptor?

[white pasture]

Naw it's all cannon.

Ill find sources for ya.

[real dove]

word

[silent pond]

Pls do, I'm very curious

[real dove]

same, cause I totally have this all backwards then

[white pasture]

Have you guys read "bad as they seem?"

[silent pond]

What's that?

[real dove]

yeah, but i'll reread

that's the lore on the twins

jos and fina

no mention of the bosses that I saw

[silent pond]

Holy shit that is a lot of lore

I didn't expect that, but I'll gladly read up

[white pasture]

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Lore

Have you read the stuff on that page?

I'll keep looking but what's revealed isn't in the title of the entry haha

But I recall a story about how taking out the bosses would stop the event

[real dove]

Yep. the pinned messages on this thread also have some good stuff

There's a massive lore google doc with the Q&A i was mentioning, plus tons of stuff from the monstrum/weapons books etc

@upbeat kiln also has some really good lore stuff on Yotube.

[upbeat kiln]

Aw thank you @real dove ❤️

[real dove]

Definitely no lore master myself, i get stuff wrong all the time but have made my way through most of what's out there

[white pasture]

The new event lore muddled lots of stuff I'm not too aware of.

Grunt entry implies Sculptor's powers appear and behave like disease.

And prone to insect like manifestation.

Hence the weird organic bug sacks and wasp nest looking stuff

We have the back stories for the monsters and none seem direct creation by sculptor. It just uses them.

Weird we have no Hunter undead though. They aren't immune.

Or least funny corrupted ones beyond T3

Fully

[real dove]

Undead walking? We have a very dead hunter in the form of the Revenant

[red spear]

I figured they would. And the ship, the Delphine. I was just thinking in maybe the second or third events of the new trilogy just doing a little nod to old pacts via the lore, not bring back any mechanics or anything like that. Just to make sure old lore isn't completely thrown to the side a la Viper.

[granite shard]

seems like we're getting that nod w the grounded pact!

[red spear]

Now that we know Goth girl Gar is on Reptilian side, I'm super curious how she ties into everything

[granite shard]

the way she ties into it seems a bit different from what I expected

with how their group wants to be the top of the food chain here

[red spear]

Yes! Would love to see more from the Archeologist or Harold Black trying to piece things together

[granite shard]

I'm really interested in seeing what the lore for this is

[granite shard]

I'm really surprised that harold was actually in the infernal pact (based on the legendary hunter bundles that were in the store back during devil's moon)

I think him being infernal and not grounded was the most surprising thing

[red spear]

I was lowkey thinking the "she" the rotjaw video talked about was actually Gar? But, I guess that headcanon is out the window lol

[granite shard]

she is rotjaw herself!

[red spear]

That would have been dope. Shape changing hunter? Sign me tf up

[granite shard]

oh I meant that the "she" referred to in the trailer was referring to rotjaw

girl gator let's go

[red spear]

My best guess is he wanted to stick with the guy he was most familiar with when the Louisiana branch of the AHA dissolved? But yeah, a bit confused on that one too

[granite shard]

yeah

it's funny since it was like: murderers, weirdos, pinkertons, and a scrawny old nerd

he prob fell more in line with the "aha loyalists" side of things which I think the infernal pact was also supposed to partially be

[red spear]

Pinkertons were another weird choice imo. They seem like they would have stayed level headed and within the grounded pact

[granite shard]

I think it's perfect that they were in with the infernal pact bc pinkertons irl are so bad that the US government has a law that doesn't let it work w the pinkertons lmao

[red spear]

Like, in line with "We want to fix what's going on here, but the way infernal and lunar are going about it is absurd"

[red spear]

truuuue

didn't think of that

I guess since you see them working with Hardin I thought they'd be level headed like him

[granite shard]

I think the guy pinkerton kinda abandoned the girl and hardin

and went off to commit his own crimes

[white pasture]

Professor was infernal in the event? You sure?

[red spear]

His dlc was part of the Infernal pact bundle on Steam during the event

[white pasture]

But he did wasnt branded infernal during the event,

Whatever bundle was named is irrelevant.

[red spear]

There were a bunch of hunters not given inherent pacts during the event, but heavily implied which pact they belonged to based on promotional art and the steam bundles they released

[white pasture]

Yeah, naming of bundle is irrelevant and there is no supporting lore Harold is infernal...

Pacts are ill explained but he wasn't branded

at all

I think?

his woman was earth pact

Why earth pact involve ressurection when the entire event is about the repeated resurrection of a lunar pact quasi-avatar of the moon?

Not a lot of thought went into it

[red spear]

I ask myself the same question from time to time. Death cheat would have made way more sense as a Lunar trait

[white pasture]

Its a huge part of the narrative. Lunar kid cant die and it sucks.

No kinda balance between the pacts at all.

Earth is superior by far in every way.

Absurdly game breaking overpowered

[red spear]

Luckily it seems like they took the feedback the community gave them and the new pact traits seem fairly on point in terms of theme and balance

[white pasture]

They released them? I dont follow events that close till they arrive.

[red spear]

Yeah, they had a developer stream this morning (morning for me at least)

Tons of info on new pacts, new traits, new everything....except Rotjaw... they're keeping pretty hush about her combat mechanics and lore until the event drops

[white pasture]

new traits?

[red spear]

yeah, traits related to new pacts. Smuggler, Primal, and Grounded is returning. But the traits are all different.

Death Cheat is making a return but as a trait anyone can pick up and it's burned after one use

[silver yacht]

ya'll ever just think about how sheriff Hardin realeased a bunch of kids into the bayou with a knife and told them to come back with a hell hound head

[devout hound]

chad behaviour

[icy brook]

For context on the Risen Relic skin, an eolith is basically a natural stone that hasn’t been modified by humans but looks like it has been

[mellow mantle]

@devout cedar Send the lore, we know you finished the event already

[manic lichen]

Oh I thought we were in year 1896 of current hunt?

[mellow mantle]

September

[manic lichen]

Yes?

Also this

[humble ridge]

Rotjaw lore

Rotjaw mastery 1

[hasty raven]

this excerpt from the Martini Ironisde mastery out of context sounds like she is just in love with a woman and feels sinful for it

in other news, what the fuck

that's messed up

the rest of the ironside entry, I mean

[noble scarab]

The in game year is 1895, the lore year is kinda all over the place

[manic lichen]

Goodie goodie, just heard some people saying it was 1896.

[noble scarab]

Each map is a different season of 1895

[earnest jungle]

That was based on a miscommunication that originated with the Spirit of Nian, as those hunters did not arrive in Louisiana until 1896

This originally was interpreted as evidence the game’s timeline was moving forward but is probably just a continuity error

[rotund ferry]

The year varies there was a news paper article dated "1904" in Devil's moon iirc

historically speaking the existence of weaponry like the Avtomat would imply the year to be 1916 but that's not canon lore so I won't go there but in reality the game's year is 1896

This event goes back in time since it mentions the storm of '93

[earnest jungle]

Has Rachatta finished the event yet?

[rotund ferry]

He's a content creator so he likely had the money to buy the tiers 😂

[granite shard]

I don’t think the 1904 article in devil’s moon is saying the timeline in 1904, more so that the researcher putting the info together found an article in a newspaper from 1904 that discusses the stuff that started in 95

(I think that one was abt ochenkov’s widow? Like she became an urban legend)

[rotund ferry]

yeah but how would the news Article be dated 1904 if the year wasn't 1904 😅

or are you implying that Hunt is a prequel type deal and these events are past and the researcher is in the future looking back at history?

[granite shard]

Yes

If you look in the book of weapons, most of the special ammo entries are researcher’s notes

[rotund ferry]

because that implication would be pretty cool imo

[granite shard]

As the person researching goes back through these sources (which is why a lot of them are journals, letters, pulp fiction, or newspaper articles) and tries to figure out what happened

It’s a really cool way of delivering the story

[rotund ferry]

yeah I just wish there was something more focused on the lore like a mini series or something the lore just feels splintered and hard to keep in touch with at times

[granite shard]

I think in the winny ammos it mentions how the modern researcher thought the phantom was an urban legend until they recovered the arm

[rotund ferry]

but I think it's cool that this game makes reference to historical events even despite it's clear fictional setting

[granite shard]

Yeah

I think it’s neat the way you piecemeal lore together but a lot of people don’t even know there’s hunter lore in the book of weapons

[rotund ferry]

my dream is that one day Crytek makes a ww1 themed game like hunt with all new weapons and it's set in 1917 years after this game

fighting zombies in the trenches along the French-German boarder sounds metal as fuck

and we are one step closer...

[earnest jungle]

Also looking at Rotjaw’s snout and taking Harold Black’s flowery description of the Gator into account, I think Rotjaw might be an undead Deinosuchus.

[rotund ferry]

Good catch and seeing how the trailer for rotjaw talks about "land of the dead" it'd make sense if something prehistoric was residing there and came back

If this is true that implies the potential for a reanimated spinosaurus

Another apex predator who was an absolute units in the water

[earnest jungle]

I also have a theory, I’m only through chapter 4, but I think Rotjaw might be unique among the current bosses

I don’t think the Sculptor created her, and I don’t think he brought her to the Bayou

All of this smells like Chary’s handiwork

[strong oyster]

got the first chapter of the new storyline as apart of the event and figured out that the storm that was described in that chapter seems to align with a real hurricane that hit Louisiana in the same year as in the story (1893) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1893_Cheniere_Caminada_hurricane (yes I know its wikipedia but seems to be pretty accurate)

seems the chapter log took place 2 days into the hurricane

[rotund ferry]

The fact that it's got all those contraptions on it just like how Mrs. Ochenkov has the cage on her face leads me to believe he's been experimenting again yeah

[earnest jungle]

I think the Cargo on the boat was nothing less than RotJaw herself stollen from the land of the dead by smugglers who didn’t realize what they had taken and from where.

[rotund ferry]

curious how the smugglers would've made it back from the land of the dead

[silent pond]

Probably sheer, unbelievable luck honestly

Granted, they were much less likely to make it back with a giant crocodile in toe

[white pasture]

haha

Yeah, it slow ya down some

[earnest jungle]

Same way Joss and Fin did: they walked or in this case sailed right into it

The Butcher’s Layer is some kind of cavern that connects the lands of the Living and the Dead.

Based on the Lore Mastery for Rotjaw and the Fourth Chapter of Tide of Shadows there is a water passage as well

A passage that opens during a hurricane and leads to a water way unlike any that have ever been seen

Seems to be whenever someone crosses over a baptism of blood is required.

In 1812 the little girl found the lands of the dead during a naval battle, in 1893 the ship collided with a circus tent washed into the river.

[white pasture]

Yeah, his lair being in another dimension is mentioned elsewhere

Haven't read event lore yet.

@earnest jungle Sculptor does not or cannot create.

None of the bosses were created by it (as far as as know). The bayou is if filled with supernatural events not connected to the Sculptor.

It just uses them to mimic.

Immolator,Hive,Meathead none creates by sculptor.

Hive maybe is an extreme reaction to the Sculptors "plague".

[earnest jungle]

When they say the Sculptor can’t create they mean that the Sculptor doesn’t create monsters from scratch but instead twists and corrupts humans and animals to suite its purposes

Every marked, every boss, every grunt was once a human being or animal the Sculptor twisted and sculpted into a form that suited it.

Hence it is a sculptor, and like a Sculptor it does not create the clay it merely takes it and molds it into a pleasing form.

[loud steeple]

I thought grunts were a results of humans being corrupted by the infection and then grunts are what the sculptor uses to mould the other monsters in the game

[upbeat kiln]

Beautiful ❤️

[real dove]

Yeah, seems to be a common thought on here, I've never thought to explain it that way when telling people that the sculptor didnt create the bosses, only copy/paste with a few special touches... very nice! Is the new hunter, Gar, another undead? Or does she just look like a drowned cat for fun? The "reborn" in her blurb had us thinking she's also from the land of the dead and came along with Rotjaw tho I didn't really look at her faction settings much ngl

[bold tiger]

"Burnmark clouds" Is this a german phrase?

https://tenor.com/view/tempete-windy-tent-flying-weather-gif-16341439

Full of clowns about to be roadkilled by a boat in lore

[bold tiger]

Necrophagic energy...

We gonna get a necrophagic baton sometime?

[lavish mist]

necrophilia baton you say

[white pasture]

@earnest jungle Except we have the origin stories of the bosses. And specials and all the Sculptor has done is copied what already existed.

It didn't create meat heads or "Sculpt" them. They existed already and were cloned and taken over....

Grunts are the only thing directly created by expose to the Sculptor i am aware of and that seems to be incidental.

It copies (sculpts) what already exists.

So much weird shit exists in the Bayou for same reason The Sculptor is present. Access

Sculptor can't even change the specific condition of clothing...

Also every boss wasn't always human. No idea on assassin, meat head was never anything else but was born of humans. Spider made of human corpses? Butcher never human.

[noble scarab]

The assassin was human at one point

[real dove]

So what does the Sculptor sculpt the clones out of? The Assassin was a human once, he was buds with the Researcher (though appeared to have his bug form as a human too). Spider is made of corpses yes.

[noble scarab]

So was scrapbeak

[white pasture]

Scrap beak was once human

Assassin could look human before the Sculptor but was still composed of bugs had similar abilities..

So let's go with not human.

[noble scarab]

He was human enough to befriend Harold black and operate as an AHA member for the 5+ years before the infection really kicked off

[real dove]

Human with powers. We've got those already- look at Fina.

We have a canon story of a human gaining powers, so would make sense Victor got his bug powers similarly. Same with Lynch or Chary- both have noted powers.

[white pasture]

All Hunters have powers and practice magic. There is nothing showing Victor is human...

Traits are literally those powers developing...

[rotund ferry]

It's more Latin actually

"Flammagenitus"

[bold tiger]

Ahh looking at that they saw the cloud from the wildfire events

[real dove]

The hunters get their powers from demons blood/ooze/etc, and yes, the traits are them choosing to become more corrupt/gaining more powers. No argument there. With Victor/the Assassin, we also don't have anything saying he WASN'T once a human, and while you're free to think he has never been human, we've got proof he had a human form and passed as a human for a LONG time before becoming the assassin we know, and to me at least that points to him being human... But you are totally entitled to interpret the lore as you want.

[raw gust]

When you need to drink demon blood to learn how to properly operate a bolt-action firearm

[upbeat kiln]

Both Jose and Fina are a bit sus, though, seeing that most of what we know about them comes from Bad As They Seem, which is an in-universe dramatized novel by a writer by the name of Collins.

[real dove]

Sus? I guess technically they are the kids of a Hunter, but by the time he comes for them they are at the very least teens, which makes me think they were conceived before or at the very start of it all, and thus free(ish) from the corruption, perhaps tainted but still human in origin... But yeah, hadn't considered that their whole story is dramatized. Guess that kinda knocks out Lynch too, as she also has powers. Ugh. Be neat if they could shine a stronger light on the lore of the past

[latent fable]

Hey, I know it’s been awhile since the events of Serpent’s Moon. But is there a place I can go to catch up with what happened then? I missed a good bit of that event. Actually, most of the “Moon” events now that I think about it. I love the lore to this game and the rabbit hole it presents

[lavish mist]

I wouldn’t say the assassin was strictly human

perhaps a similar otherworldly being to lynch

who found it worthwhile during those times to fit in with people

[latent fable]

I just know that the “Moon” events were lore heavy. I won’t interrupt the ongoing discussion here anymore than I need to, apologies for that. I just wanna drop this here for the sake of darting my curiosity. Thanks in advance.

[lavish mist]

and after shit really kicked off he succumbed to whatever madness/corruption currently inhabits the bayou and has been stuck in service to whatever sculptor being messes with us now

I’m going to assume our assassin boss we know is a mindless clone/iteration of the “man” we read about in the lore pages

[real dove]

You're fine 🙂 The wiki has all the lore pages from the event I think if that helps... others here can prolly point you to other locations for Moon lore

[real dove]

Oh yeah, for sure. I just have a hard time thinking that he wasn't originally in part human, and was either born with the bug powers, or gained them somehow, before coming to the swamps and then becoming the Assassin we know, dying at the hands of his fellow Hunters and then getting his soul fractured and rezzed over and over by the Sculptor. I guess in the end it doesn't really matter tho lol, human or not in origin, he's definitely not human now. lol

[lavish mist]

crush

decimate

kill the bug man

for his own sake

[white pasture]

@real dove Many of the traits are actually boons by OTHER powers. But no Hunters get inherent powers and quasi-immunity to the zone and are tuned into the dark side as the vaccine uses demons

[real dove]

What other powers?

[white pasture]

But they also practice magic outside of that

Regen for one heh

Supposed to be stronger/faster/more resilient.

And can survive for 45 minutes in zonem

Basically skills that involve hand movement and usually faint chanting

Is them using magic.

Many of the traits are shamanic. Like twins and the snakes how (forgot which one changed).

[real dove]

Fina

[white pasture]

It's mentioned all hunters increase In power over time before rotting to death

[rotund ferry]

Unless your name is Ishim Gird the Reverend or Mary Burgess the Nun you get your hunter powers from Jesus (Steezus when he's on the board)

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-skateboarding-tricks-sports-gif-3536895

[real dove]

Fair, and we do have hunters with natural immunity (looking at you redneck)\

[white pasture]

We also don't know if the "vaccine" made by Lynch is the only one.

[real dove]

We know it's not

there are 2 that we know of

a natural one, that was only kinda effective, and lynch's

[white pasture]

She mentions she is making it for the AHA

And it seems both had similar corrupting effects. Like that's how it works fundamentally. Tunes person into evil shit by infusing them with evil.

[real dove]

Is it the innoc tho? Or is it spending time in the corrupted hellhole that is the swamp?

or both?

[white pasture]

I think they start to decay regardless I'm sure expose doesn't help

[real dove]

True, we know that each time you use your powers, darksight, healing, rezzing, etc... you get more and more corrupted. Thats why T3 hunters look battered

[white pasture]

Rotting

[real dove]

same difference

[white pasture]

They have lesions and scars and spiritually decay as well.

Course regeneration from injury lots of the scars but the black spots.

It's implied all Hunters will eventually die from it, or become a grunt. It just slows down the process. The Bloodline of the Hunter also seems to play a huge impact.

And "soul survivor" is corrupted hunters trying to save themselves.

Well spring energy only known cure

I assume most of the legendaries are those that received well spring and are then immune. Except ones clearly suffering decay or are halfway to Grunt status.

[real dove]

Wut. Dude, we have their origin stories, how could they be corrupted and revived hunters if we know where they came from?

[white pasture]

Because that isn't where they came from

It's something they had to do at some point to live that long as Hunters.

Because it's pretty much stated Hunters after initiation will eventually die from it.

Or least turn into a grunt...

[real dove]

The legendaries are AHA hunters or special folks who came to the swamps for whatever reason. Soul Survivors to me are the souls of dead hunters (legendary or not) that have died and are now in purgatory, duking it out to not stay in purg forever, and the winner comes back. hence SOUL survivor.

wait.

i had a thouhgt

what if WE, the players, are the Sculptor? Each time you play the game, are you not technically rezzing a boss, a hunter, the grunts, etc...?

[white pasture]

There is lore for soul survivors that states what I said haha

[real dove]

oh? Word, where?

[white pasture]

It's on website think damnation is in title

Error wikia page

[real dove]

Damnation is the blurbs about the bosses/enemies. No mention of SS?

[white pasture]

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/A_Communique_for_All_Hunters

Here ya go

[rotund ferry]

Where do hunters like the infected and Mrs. Ochenkov fall in this category?

Because they both have this natural necrosis thing going on with them that prohibits them from completely turning but I'm assuming they're in a constant state of pain and suffering

Just how Chary likes it

I also want to know what's up with Gar and more about her story

She almost drowned in the storm of '93 probbaly fell off a ship or boat, she was "kissed" by the snouts of Gar fish and she is either hallucinating or having visions of "Reptile birthing pits" probably due to the total lack of oxygen flow to her brain while she was almost drowning

She also undoubtedly has some sort of connection to Rotjaw

Maybe they're sisters

Maybe Rotjaw really was a person at some point

I like how her name is literally a fish

I think Mrs. Ochenkov and her would make good pals

[white pasture]

@rotund ferry it's a process that varies between people.

Some retain consciousness while their body is actually dead for at least some time.

Ochenkov is the result of an occult ritual.

Timothy Stone story touches the topic a bit.

[rotund ferry]

Timothy stone is skinflint iirc?

I know both Ochenkov and Kevin succumbed to Chary's experiments

[real dove]

So to me opinion, We've got hunters with natural immunity to the corruption, we've got hunters who took either of the innocs (most of the AHA/most Hunters), and then the "undead" category, which kinda murks the water with hunters will die no matter what- Kevin, Widow, Revenant. Tho they all have occult/voodoo ties to explain why they are walking around

[upbeat kiln]

Ochenkov was already a hunter for the AHA before the ritual was performed

A good one too

[real dove]

true. And had prolly gotten the shot by then. I forgot about that :/

I'd still say she's prolly undead, or so messed up with Chary's shit to basically be

[upbeat kiln]

she is the Anti-Kevin

[rotund ferry]

Literally a paranormal superhuman wolverine

Her experiment included hive venom too and her face is awfully ghoulish looking so I'd assume she's either dead or in a state of necrosis like the infected

She's somewhere in between dead and alive

[red spear]

Mary succumbed to Chary's experimentations, but Kevin has immunity through the moon. She gave him the gun Antosha to save his heart and mind from the corruption. Unless you're strictly talking about the start of his journey being in Chary's ritual circle then having snakes ripped out of him for hours

[white pasture]

@real dove I agree there is likely countless ways one could counter the effects of the zone. Many weapons have occult symbols. And we know many powers are active in the region.

Kevin is simply resurrected. Doesn't appear immune to anything.

I assume Chary made him into a vessel or portal for the whole snake shit. And then another power "moon" used an already prepared vessel.

Chary also cannot be human.

What human requires a unique magical weapon to harm?

@rotund ferry she is Charys attempt to create controlled and enhanced grunts.

Or enhanced Hunters sorta. We know he experiments on their corpses on large scale. We know Hunters can be resurrected and we know they are tainted with evil/darkness

[real dove]

Why can't he be human?

[white pasture]

Nothing human has been shown to be as powerful supernaturally. He has vast knowledge of the occult etc.

He can only be harmed or least killed by a magical weapon.

Only being of similar implications is Lynch.

[red spear]

It literally says in the description of the gun Antosha that the Moon gave it to Kevin to protect his heart and mind from the corruption

[real dove]

But there's nothing saying he cant be human

[white pasture]

And many of the Legendaries as supposed to be magically skilled beyond hunters.

@red spear i stand corrected, but the gun was given to him after he was used on an occult ritual that filled him.with snakes yeah

[real dove]

Why can't he be a dude that aquired supernatural powers?

[red spear]

He's definitely human, just Moon touched. He is a conduit to her power, that includes the snakes.

[white pasture]

He is using the moon and is immune to mundane damage.

Collects souls, has more knowledge than anyone beyond Lynch

[real dove]

Chuh. I've not seen anything to indicate he's some other monster, I know he has powers- no argument there I read the lore- but I don't think he's not not human... just a guy who figured out how to use occult to do supernatural shit and become subhuman/supernatural

[white pasture]

@real dove but we have a baseline of the scale of magic vaguely established

[real dove]

And?

[white pasture]

And he is off the scale...

[real dove]

So?

[red spear]

Alright theory time again that I haven't seen here yet. The half of Kevin that is blue is probably a hint to Hindu beliefs.

Let me get on desktop so I can flash this theory out better

[real dove]

Why does that make him not humen

lol human

[white pasture]

So, he is immune to mundane damage, is actively abusing "gods" who are actively targeting him. And is more powerful exponentially than any other person.

[red spear]

okay, best way to say Kevin is indeed human, but his design is nod to the fact he is a conduit of extreme supernatural power:

[real dove]

Sorry @red spear ,it seems me and GrY are destined to butt heads on everything lol

[white pasture]

It doesn't "need" anything

It's simply implied in how the character is written.

[red spear]

lol it seems that way, but I want to explain this theory because it's been rolling around in my head for a couple months now

[white pasture]

We know beings from other dimensions occupy human hosts...

And the one example of such a being (Lynch) is very similar.

I wouldn't be shocked if they were same being.

[red spear]

His example is more of a nod to some real beliefs within Hinduism and hermeticism tho, and I think it's neat

[white pasture]

@red spear let's try to stay on topic haha

Lynch not human, but can take human form...

Vast knowledge, guts the AHA and is banished.

[real dove]

Eh, there are many things implied and can be taken however. I don't agree, I think he's a dude who is has learned how to use the occult to do super powerful things and also been corrupted/affected by them (common theme in Cthulhu which Hunt takes HEAVILY from). I personally think Lynch is the same way, a human who has gained powers via the occult, moreso than the Hunters have.

@red spear I'd not considered Kevin being Hindu

[red spear]

I think I am, it helps solidify why his character is very much human and ways that the "divine" manifest through humans

[white pasture]

@real dove but he shows no sign of corruption. And literally shows up bartering souls..

@red spear haha yeah no

[red spear]

Definitely not implying Hindu, but that the character design of him has some Hindu influence

[real dove]

Would make sense, they are trying to make references to other cultures this year with the hunters

[red spear]

Just like he has some hermetic influence in the fact he uses the "As above so below" gesture multiple times

[white pasture]

He behaves like Lynch, everyone treats him how they treated Lynch. Is more powerful than any human. Human wizards terrified of them both

[red spear]

I was just wanting to explain that part because as I soon as I put the two together I thought it was a cool find

[real dove]

As for Chary... Maybe he's become so powerful that the corruption doesn't affect him, same as Lynch. However, unlike her, he seeks to control the Sculptor, while she wanted to kill it.

[white pasture]

@red spear It's a boilerplate "occult phrases"

Yes maybe Chary is the most powerful human in existence.

Or you know nit human haha

[real dove]

Yarp. Either works.

I'll have to go back and look at Kevin again, honestly haven't jammed with him since the event ended

[red spear]

Okay @white pasture but it's still an influence on the design

[rotund ferry]

The latter

I guess less of an experiment and more torture

Chary tortured a 14 year old moon boy for hours

I assure you though when Chary tortured Kevin is was a minor ordeal

🥁

[red spear]

@real dove I would definitely recommend it. I think there was so much more symbolism put into his character that is overlooked. It's partially why I'm super curious to see where Gar's story goes because she's similarly "kissed" by something otherworldly

[rotund ferry]

Kevin finds the recoil of the nitro express rifle a minor inconvenience

[red spear]

Hence this intuitive knowledge of ancient rituals and visions of birthing pits

[white pasture]

@red spear Yeah, generic occult trappings haha

[real dove]

lol. I'm pretty sure homeboy can't feel much with as many times as he's supposedly died or been tortured....

[red spear]

I'm not far with the lore chapters of the new event, so I'm super excited to read more

[rotund ferry]

"All these people who want to kill me is just a minor issue." -Kevin Linus 1896

[real dove]

lol

[rotund ferry]

Kevin might be a minor but he is a major threat to Chary

Dude had his invulnerability broken by some fancy perfume lmfao

[white pasture]

I like there is more lore but it's of Lowe quality

[rotund ferry]

Breaking news - 14 yr old moon punk and his gang burns old man's backyard then loses his heart

[rotund ferry]

Did you just say Lowe quality

[red spear]

Now all I see are soul traps and those snake altars littered around someone's decayed garden like little garden gnomes

[rotund ferry]

Somebody should draw this honestly

[white pasture]

@rotund ferry on phone at work

[rotund ferry]

With Kevin and the lunar gang committing Arson and the infernal gang trying to stop them

[upbeat kiln]

Maybe Lynch and Chary are the same entity. Dun dun duuunnnnn

[white pasture]

Same flavor at least

[red spear]

I meeeeeeaaaannnnn

[rotund ferry]

Like a Sheogorath Jyygalag thing? Same person different entity?

[red spear]

Why not?

[rotund ferry]

Could be plausible theory me thinks

[red spear]

Seems she wanted to regain strength, it would have been stupid to try again with the same identity

[white pasture]

Behave similar, similar goals, similar abilities

Everyone is terrified of them

[upbeat kiln]

We call Lynch a woman. But Lynch is clearly not of this world if BATS is to believed

[white pasture]

Has human body for certain

[upbeat kiln]

Lynch is probably more an "it"

[rotund ferry]

They're probably genderless like a scheming Daedric lord

[white pasture]

Believe how vulnerable Lynch was while incarnated is mentioned

[upbeat kiln]

A body merely used as a vessel. She uses it to roam our world. And gain access to the other side as well

[red spear]

omg they'd all need to be drawn as kids. It's just a bunch of kids playing pretend

I mean I'd be concerned as a parent if my child was pretending to torture people and set the yard on fire, but the visual is humorous nonetheless

[real dove]

But they seem to have different goals, at least as far as I know... Lynch wiped Huff and Co because they weren't actively hunting the Sculptor, while Chary seemed to want to control/use the sculptor. I do agree they have similar aspects in that they have powers way past everyone else we know of.

[rotund ferry]

"Kids will be kids!"
The kids in question:

[real dove]

I guess Chary does have a weird obsession with Snakes, and Lynch had a hand in Fina's whole snake ordeal...

[rotund ferry]

Yeah I dunno it's almost like they're a plot point or something

On the topic of serpents I'm glad they brought back the serpent moon

[real dove]

SAME it brings me hope for the inferno

[rotund ferry]

Yeah

Although it is a little unsettling that you look up and see what could very well be a literal God

[red spear]

I'm hoping beyond hope for Inferno too, but the logistics of having to place that fire on maps that are occasionally updated seems daunting.

[real dove]

true... had not considered

[red spear]

It's not as easy as changing a skybox or adding an effect like fog sadly

[real dove]

Fair... would effect Thundershower too then, since there are water effects on parts of the map...

[red spear]

Which makes me curious if Crytek had to use the same black magic to create the thunderstorm maps without making everyone's computers shite themselves

exactly

[real dove]

Buddy and I sat there and oogled the walls for a bit looking at the water running off

worked out, another team came sprinting by, but i really love how it looks

[red spear]

Looking up and admiring the Serpent moon, oblivious to my surroundings, has already gotten me shot once so far lol

[real dove]

glad it's not just me then

[white pasture]

Yeah, night is pretty. Something Is up with my audio. Sometimes what I hear is opposite direction

Also my foot steps will echo just long enough to sound like someone elsem

Rainstorm is even worse.

[earnest jungle]

Delphine that’s the name of the ship

I think in 1893 the Delphine sailed into the Land of the Dead either with RotJaw already onboard hidden away, or while in the Land of the Dead found RotJaw and brought her back

[hasty raven]

I think from the 4 lore entries I have so far that Rotjaw was a key into the Land of the Dead

[high stone]

Why the heck is the RotJaw clue a stump with fluid shooting out of it??

[white pasture]

Its how they declare dominance by pounding the stump with all their virule fury

[hasty raven]

Excuse me?

[white pasture]

Yep

stump pounding

Rotjaw is the key! Twins already been multiple times

no rotjaw

[white pasture]

Both fixated on developing weapons to use against the Sculptor, both supernaturally knowledge beyond all others, one decapitated the AHA because he was beginning to investigate Lynch and it was an issue. The other comes in during the chaos bartering fucking souls and engaging in demonic pacts and controls the AHA somehow?

[high stone]

I keep forgetting..how many time is “Sculptor” mentioned in the original lore?

[white pasture]

@high stone It's addressed, Sculptor is a generic category for the type of being in the bayou

It's called The Sculptor because it's exponentially more powerful than any other encountered

I think it's just generic term for "The Enemy" only higher ups AHA,Lynch and other supernaturally capable have any idea.

Pretty sure Professor names it as such

Think previous examples could only influence/control 1 being at a time

Think the "copying" is what gives it away. But as of current lore nobody has seen it, knows if it can be seen.

Closing the rifts and banishing the bosses and keeping the hordes in check and people away from the zone is/was what was the plan

Learn and hope

But original question Harold Black or whatever professor name is coined phrase

[noble scarab]

The name sculptor was first mentioned in the now removed Louisiana casebook

[sturdy egret]

I scrapped my old video on the sculptor but I’ve speculated it’s a Voodoo spirit type thing

[earnest jungle]

Does anyone have any more entries from RotJaw’s section of the book of monsters?

[sturdy egret]

Bro it’s like day 2 I’d be shocked

[red spear]

Unless one of us lore fans is a whale and outright buys all of the battle pass tiers it's going to be a bit

[earnest jungle]

the Book of Monsters lore is unlocked by fighting Rotjaw

[red spear]

Oh my God, apologies. It's been a day 😭

[sturdy egret]

I almost killed rotjaw until I got shat on by a guy with a Krag

[red spear]

It's been rough for me and my friends the past day. Most times someone else finds her or we die beforehand so it's going to be a while before opening the third entry

[red spear]

That's rough ☹️ the long ammo Larry's are still ever present even with the ammo nerf

[white pasture]

Never yet been attacked while killing him

Poison is effective, think when he lunges and opens mouth is vulnerable window

Notice he loses big chunks at time

Oh guaranteed lore unlocked unless event restricts it

[upbeat kiln]

I second this. As an unfortunate victim of life I have been unable to participate in the event and would looove to read the lore of this lady

[celest notch]

How am I supposed to find out about the lore without a hazmat video

[rotund ferry]

I was looking at the different trailers we got so far on YT and noticed Biatatá - Still waters run deep doesn't have a trailer

Or at least not one that I can find

[random lava]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfzcQweqAy0

Unles you mean one from Hazmat 😄

[celest notch]

Yall should hire hazmat and add his narration to the videos

Mans got a legendary voice

[humble ridge]

Winfield M1876 Centennial Shorty Mastery

Winfield M1876 Centennial Shorty Silencer Mastery

[real dove]

I've got the first 4 lore event bits unlocked, Will screen shot em when i get off work and load em here for anyone who wants to read em

[granite shard]

The voice acting is really cool, I’ll see if I can record it

[real dove]

The Gar entry is great, she just wants to ride the girl

"she will be my throne" lol

[granite shard]

She’s such a lunatic, I love her

Hunt really says insane women rights

[real dove]

Yeah. She looks like a goober, girl go take a shower and get them fish bones outta ya hair

but I dig her unhingedness

Actually managed to fight Rotjaw last night, she is... interesting. i feel kinda bad when she dies and goes belly up. Looks rad when all shocked up. haven't fought her at night, want to tho, see her all glowing...

but goddam does the rain map look and feel good. the heavy rain/fog has got me feeling more nervous playing than i have in ages, the limited hearing/vision is great/scary lol.

[granite shard]

I want the banish animation to be petting her belly

[humble ridge]

Rotjaw mastery 2

[upbeat kiln]

@earnest jungle @noble scarab This girl spent more than 80 years in the land of the dead. Holy moly

[granite shard]

looks like that's tying into the enola's ghost charm lore

rotjaw misses her friend

[upbeat kiln]

Oh wow. I love that. That is so sweet and sad.

[granite shard]

yeah I do too

I'm really jazzed abt this event's lore

cardinal rain is so cool I can't wait to read more abt them

and all of this just adds to my belief that to banish her, we should give her a belly rub

she's just a sweet girl who misses her friend

[rotund ferry]

Weird I couldn't find it on the Playlist on the hunt YT channel thanks 👍

[restive patrol]

wonder if the last entry is them attacking the Delphine

[red spear]

If you can sneak up on her when she's sleeping outside of the water, you can hear her snore. Between snores, missing her friend, and only attacking people when they enter her terf, I feel really bad killing her

[granite shard]

🥺🥺🥺🥺

[red spear]

Free Rotjaw Princess 2023 edit: she is now Princess and only Princess in my mind

[real dove]

Aw baby girl noooo

[earnest jungle]

Huh I wasn’t expecting Enola to be Rotjaw/Princess mother, I was honestly expect Rotjaw/Princess to be some ancient Gator who found Enola and treated her like a hatchling

[real dove]

Same, especially since she's got a dino getor skull

[earnest jungle]

Unless Princess isn’t Rotjaw…

After 40 years she says that her mind is filling with holes and those holes are filling with teeth.

[real dove]

Could they have become one?

Except that makes no sense with the doll blurb

[earnest jungle]

And the other passages only make sense if Enola is humanoid

[real dove]

yeah. But the lightning gator egg makes me think Princess is in fact rotjaw

[earnest jungle]

Either way it looks like I was right about Rotjaw not being a creation of the Sculptor.

[real dove]

Yeah

She's one of his clone and repeats now, but her origin isn't his... but also not Chary's

really wondering who brought her and why

[earnest jungle]

It looks like the Shadow Gators did to Rotjaw what the Sculptor did to Hannah Kinnley’s unborn child. Which could explain Rotjaw’s prehistoric appearance

[real dove]

yeah. super interested in this new realm

well, maybe not new but be interested in seeing more of what it's like

[earnest jungle]

Wait I just realized something

Jos and Fina traveled to the land of the dead and after defeating the King of the Dead brought a weapon back to the land of the living

Perhaps Chary was trying to repeat what they did

[noble scarab]

They brought two weapons back, did they not? One for Huff, then one for themselves

[earnest jungle]

You’re right two weapons

Maybe I’m just seeing connections where there aren’t any but this is the first time the Land of the Dead has been really given a lot of detail since ABATS

[upbeat kiln]

Did we ever get any details about those weapons?

[noble scarab]

Not that I know of

[real dove]

Shame. Kinda makes sense, in theory they'd be more powerful than the guns we have on hand... but i guess we also have weapons from the chary experiment that are supposed to also be stronger, at least from the pages about what he was doing, and of course they are equal to their plain skin counterparts...

[upbeat kiln]

Do we even know if the land of dead is corelated to the Sculptor in any way?

[cunning pollen]

To me it seems more like a plane of energy

Like it's a physical place where some magical things live

I remember at the end of as bad as they seem lynch blues cluesed herself outa the bayou

I don't remember if it said where she went though

[noble scarab]

Lynch went back to wherever inter dimensional horrors like her and the sculptor come from

[red spear]

Yes and maybe no? Perhaps riffing on what @cunning pollen said it's a plane of energy and that energy can manifest in different ways? Or it's more of a metaphysical place where different kinds of energies and beings reside.

Lynch actively sought weapons from the Land of the Dead to fight the Sculptor, but it's stated the Sculptor uses the Moon as its source of power. So I'm leaning more towards no, the Sculptor probably has nothing to do with it.

[white pasture]

@earnest jungle several weapons

The issue was the Sculptor was corrupting the moon by force.

Anything not heterosexual and white and male

Last comment other convo...

[unkempt stirrup]

What lol

[upbeat kiln]

What 🤣

[white pasture]

I used the term non-muggle and had to explain its meaning

Replied here on accident

[silent pond]

Most people have done something like that before, DW about it

[white pasture]

@silent pond the statement requires context haha

[earnest jungle]

Does anyone have the mastery entries for the Krag Sniper and Bayonet?

[jolly field]

I think rotjaw used to be a person.

[foggy sundial]

A pretty gator lady

[timber pine]

a hot bayou babe

[foggy sundial]

I don’t See crocs on Gertrude gator what you talking bout fella

[wraith cove]

Is the shard shearer supposed to be mexican or native American

Id remember his exact name one of the two new bb hunters

The male one

[earnest jungle]

Fang Shearer

and I would say ethnically ambigious

Returning to the discussion of whether or not the Sculptor creates or just copies

I would say this supports my thesis that the way the Sculptor works is by infecting/corrupting people/animals/taxidermy and then through that corruption twisting the creature into a "pleasing" shape

And the "fresher" the "clay" the more easily the sculptor could mold and shape them

From which I propose another theory: in the map we encounter grunts of all kinds but not all ages. Where are the baby grunts, the child grunts?

They don't become grunts

They become meatheads

Either that or Crytek like most devs felt zombie children would be too disturbing

[red spear]

It does make sense. While not explicitly mentioned that multiple meatheads were birthed in the same way, it would be odd for a whole new innoculation to be created because of a one time incident.

[restive patrol]

Also supported by this old interview about the origins of all the specials (though this is from before the reset so take it as you will) . Though this can be interpreted still as grunts acting as the "clay" the sculptor uses to replicate the specials. https://youtu.be/ga34IHKdVMU

[cunning pollen]

Counter point the armoured marked are stated specifically not to be just a repurposed grunt by the researcher studying

[granite shard]

Probably indigenous Mexican

That seems to be what cardinal rain is (aesthetically and her VA is also indigenous Mexican) and I’m assuming they have history since they’re both in the grounded pact

[wraith cove]

Whatever he is hes dripped w the sauce

[granite shard]

Yeah he’s cool

[uncut cape]

https://youtu.be/Q3cAKtFS3Cg

[hasty raven]

Crytek has gone woke...

[earnest jungle]

I think Mountain Man might also be Bi because I swear the Springfield entires mention a wife lost in a fire.

[sudden kayak]

Where does it say the lover was a man?

one youtube video and everyone nods their heads 😄

one *random youtube video

[hasty raven]

are you stupid or in denial

[sudden kayak]

neither, just did not read it well. But i see they did not teach you about good manners at home

[hasty raven]

oh god I just watched the video

what an ass

[rotund ferry]

I think he makes a few good points like asking the question "why mountain man?" It would've been so much cooler if Crytek had released a standalone legendary hunter for pride month

But additionally I also think that given Thomas Bridge's lore he could be bisexual since after isolating yourself from society for so long you'd probably take what you can get

[earnest jungle]

Thomas Bridge isn't exactly Crytek's fist Queer Character

They've actually had quite the cast of the Queer characters in the form of hunters and lore characters

[rotund ferry]

Yeah after watching the video he mentions Lulu and Viper

[earnest jungle]

Viper is non-binary

[rotund ferry]

He isn't gay he's apparently non binary

[earnest jungle]

They are Non-Binary

[rotund ferry]

His hunter description basically says he is genderless

[earnest jungle]

Serpent's Moon makes a point that Viper uses they/them pronouns

[rotund ferry]

Biologically Viper is male but uses they/them pronouns

[hasty raven]

Genderless is agender

[rotund ferry]

Lulu or maybe Sofia technically

[earnest jungle]

They were the first gay playable Hunters

[rotund ferry]

Sofia was introduced before Lulu though so I guess Sofia is our 1st homosexual hunter

[earnest jungle]

Before Sofia however we had Jos, who while not a playable character, is central to the story and lore of the Lousiana Event

Aditionally John Hayward Hunter, the original protagonist of the canceled Hunt: Horrors of the Guilded Age Had some homoerotic interactions with his Partner Sinan

[rotund ferry]

Yeah but we're talking about playable hunters in the game we have now

[earnest jungle]

And my point was the game has been including queer characters from pretty much the very start

[hasty raven]

The randomly generated tier 2 hunter Adam 'Stinky' Cox is pansexual

[rotund ferry]

Well it makes sense since Germany the place of origin for Crytek has a pretty substantial Queer community so providing representation draws in additional players

[earnest jungle]

Furthermore the argument of "why didn't they make an original character queer instead of making Thomas Bridge gay" is frankly stupid

Thomas Bridge is an orignal charater

[hasty raven]

rexli is right but I don't feel like taking part in this discussion

[earnest jungle]

Hunt has a massive cast of Hunters, and all of them get fleshed out gradually

[rotund ferry]

I disagree I think making a new hunter for pride month and drawing attention to that would've been much better representation than backtracking and making a character like Thomas Bridge bisexual but again I also don't see a major issue with a man who intentionally solates himself from society going both ways when it comes to romantic preference

[earnest jungle]

It's not backtracking though

Bridge has one real note worthy appearence in the lore of the game and that's explaining the origins of Trios

[wraith cove]

Lulu already gay

[earnest jungle]

The weapon's flavor text isn't going back and changing his character it's fleshing it out further

[rotund ferry]

Thomas Bridge wasn't always considered a Queer character and unless I'm missing critical information I don't remember any other mentions of Thomas Bridge being a queer character in hunt before the new Winfield slate skin lore

Bear tooth mosin skin was an art contest skin iirc

[earnest jungle]

And which is why I said Thomas Bridge was most likely bisexual

[rotund ferry]

I say Thomas is Bi because he did at some point have a wife which leads me to believe he is bisexual currently

We also don't have a bisexual character in hunt so regardless of what you believe Thomas Bridge would be the first given the information we have about his character currently

We know he had a wife and we know he had a relationship with a man so that would make you bi

And yes it's entirely possible he cheated on his wife with this man

[earnest jungle]

That is of course assuming Thomas was attracted to his wife, and did not marry her for economic reasons or so that people wouldn't gossip.

[rotund ferry]

That'd be pretty sad but it's also probably happened around this time

[earnest jungle]

All we really have to go on is a single weapon skin, as Thomas Bridge's personal life has been up to this point not really explored.

[rotund ferry]

I just want to point out so nobody gets the wrong idea that if Thomas Bridge happens to be Bisexual and not homosexual that there is nothing wrong with that and it's okay to Bisexual 😅

[earnest jungle]

I am wondering now if it did specify he lost a wfie, or if he lost a family

[rotund ferry]

I don't think it's the bear tooth whoever initially mentioned he had a wife might've been referring to some past event lore or book of lore entry

[untold lodge]

Honestly it's one of the best ways to do it. Nothing in your face, no attacking people who would disagree just fleshing out his character revealing he named a gun after a man he loved.

[rotund ferry]

Yeah its pretty sad though because whoever this man was who Thomas Bridge had relations with eventually ended up being a rival according to the description of the weapon

They ended up serpating and now this Winfield slate is "the only fitting memory of a nemesis and lover from a life Bridge has long since left."

Maybe they changed it recently to make room for this change to his lore

Maybe Thomas Bridge is infact gay and not Bisexual

But I can't really be sure since I also do vaguely remember the presence of a wife or family

Yeah maybe it's been retconned

But for the sake of first time representation I'll say he's bisexual for now since that's what I feel Crytek is going for here

[earnest jungle]

I think the most likely explanation is actually I’m a dumbass and misremembered the lore because I can’t find a reference to him losing either his family or a wife in the mill fire

Think I must have gotten my wires crossed

[rotund ferry]

I mean you can't exactly blame yourself for potentially overlooking a piece of lore in this game since things tend to be either fragmented or completely vague

I remember at some point reading that Thomas had a family but I don't know if that was with this man or with a woman of some kind but regardless I'm still going to assume he's bisexual for now unless any concrete explanation comes forward

Well historically speaking it's entirely possible he is truly gay but just married to fit in with society or he is simply bisexual and prefers both

[red spear]

Jos. If you read the lore between Jos and Allison they make it very clear they're lovers

[rotund ferry]

So yeah maybe he is gay then I dunno

[earnest jungle]

Okay I looked over every legendary weapon and the Bear's Tooth is the only other one that mentions' Bridge by name

I think the most likely explanation is either we got our wires crossed and mixed Bridge up with one of the other Legnedaries whose wife/lover was killed, or back during the weapon skin contest the Bear's Tooth mentioned Bridge had a wife, but that mention was dropped when they introduced the gun into the game because I do remeber they made some changes both to the weapon's design and to it's lore discription when they brought it into the game

I'm going to go check Reddit see if there is any reason to believe it was ever mentioned that Thomas had a family

Okay wait I think I figured it out what happened. In the Spirngifeld lore Thomas mentions that Thomas Bridge lost a ranch up in Colorado and quote "Lorie and Janice were gone to Jesus"

He does mention a partner though which takes on new meaning

And he calls Lorie and Janice "his people" which implies some kind familial connection

Oh wait

there is another name

Rodgers, a man that Thomas had a soft spot for.

A man that was killed by the two brothers who murdered their own brother

A death that so upset Thomas that he refused to keep working for them

Whomever Lorie and Janice were they must have been close to Thomas, previously for whatever reason I assumed one of them must have been his wife and the other his daughter.

But his relationship to them is not clarified. Just that they were close enough that their deaths deeply effected him.

About as much as Roger’s death at the hands of the brothers

All of which is too say the Mountain Man was in fact gay all along and we just missed some very subtle subtext because we were all distracted by the green horse murder to think too long and hard why this one random Drunk’s death was so significant that it haunted Thomas years later

And well straightness is often treated as a default, and characters are assumed straight until proven otherwise typically in the form of obvious signs of homoerotic affection or verbal confirmation of queerness in dialogue.

[upbeat kiln]

Man.. I am so sad I missed that as well - I made a video about the brothers not so long ago. That part would have been an amazing angle to have included

great hustle Rexli. actually added a lot of depth to that whole story

[sudden hare]

gonna be a lot of dead mountain men now i guess

[rotund ferry]

What makes you say that?

[rotund ferry]

So this Lorie and Janice characters could've been his wife and daughter
And this Rodgers guy could've been the forementioned lover from the new Winfield Slate lore

And besides the Bear's tooth, the new Winfield slate skin also mentions the Mountain man by name

And regardless of what your opinion is about the lore I think we can all agree that this Winfield slate is a very nice skin

I also love this new Ironside skin we got I love when guns have leather buttstock bullet pouches

[white pasture]

He cool if you loaded from them and they depleted/filled.

[rotund ferry]

Yeah that would be cool but probably more effort in making the skin and 3D animations

[white pasture]

Ironside nice skin, Eulogy just a bunch of random shit pasted on it to look dumb and impractical

Fur and metal studs 🤣

[rotund ferry]

To me the stuff on the Eulogy looks native American and it looks like a padded stock shoulder to ease the recoil on your shoulder when firing

[white pasture]

Yeah it's just a random shit added to a skin that is silly and impractical

Looks like bunch of feet and metal studs to me. I love me some metal studs on my but stocks, feels great rubbing against them.

[rotund ferry]

I like the fur tidbits too it'd match the hare's braid charm

[granite shard]

Wow that video posted last night… imagine getting mad bc a character was confirmed LGBT in a way that’s not even in your face

It’s a weapon skin description that subtly confirms he was with a man, not a new mountain man skin where he’s flying the bear pride flag and his footstep sounds are replaced with cover girl by rupaul lmfao

[cold wind]

any lore reason for the cage around helmsmans head? fractured skull?

[granite shard]

Prob in the event lore, I haven’t seen anything yet tho

Obvi it’s bc he’s a bitey boy

😂

[cold wind]

yee ive only reached the first helmmans story thing

[cold wind]

haha kinky

[granite shard]

The two main options as I see them

1. he’s like one of those dogs that’s reactive and needs a muzzle
2. he’s like Lana del Rey and has one of those vanity masks that does nothing to stop Covid but “I’m wearing a mask”

😂😂😂

[cold wind]

i myself think its a old medical thing, somethin to keep the skull together as it heals

as it seems to be pretty tight around his skull

[granite shard]

Yeah as a serious answer that could absolutely make sense

[cold wind]

yea his face seems to be quite bruised as well

[granite shard]

He and Mary ochenkov can hang out in the facial trauma contraption club 😂

[cold wind]

so hard to tell, maybe we will find out in later helmsman lore in the pass

[cold wind]

[granite shard]

Maybe he fell out of his boat and his face got all crushed by rocks or something

[cold wind]

possible, lotta injuries can happen on sea

i still need 5 levels for helmsman

[granite shard]

I’m still towards the beginning of the BP, I’m gonna grind this weekend

There’s finally weapons mastery lore for the 1.12 weapons too so I need to unlock that

[cold wind]

i myself bought the premium pass n then did all the weeklies in a day got me to level 18 n then i had to grind next day all day for the 2 levels to 20 to unlock drilling

[granite shard]

Nice

[white pasture]

@granite shard there are several bi/gay hunters.

[granite shard]

Yeah

I’m very aware

[cold wind]

the week wait for new weeklies is a pain, i just want to progress my pass

[granite shard]

Lulu and Sofia are lesbians and dating, sofia and the viper are both agender, and there’s other queer hunters in lore

[white pasture]

One of the Twins was with Alice

[granite shard]

And now the mountain man is gay, which is dope

Allison

Jos and Allison

[white pasture]

Whatever

Sweet skin too

[granite shard]

Yeah

[white pasture]

One of the best

Think 3rd one I bought

[granite shard]

It’s funny seeing people being mad that characters are gay in the game that is like Incredibly Gay

[sudden hare]

Its tiresome and disgusting

[ocean linden]

I don’t see how hunt is incredibly gay, it just has good representation

[white pasture]

Yeah, murdering for money and burning their corpses. Fighting rotting corpses and spiders composed of human bodies with a child's face so wholesome

Some flavor text that implies homosexual relationships is just too far!🤣

[ocean linden]

Wake me up when we have more Lynch lore

[celest notch]

out of curiosity, how is hunt "incredibly gay", actually better question, what does "incredibly gay" even mean

[white pasture]

Yeah, vague text for back story makes it gay...

[celest notch]

yeah i guess ill leave it at that

[white pasture]

Or you know reflection of reality gaha

[granite shard]

“Vague text for backstory” lulu has a section where she actively muses abt wanting to have sex with Sofia

[sinful warren]

Sofia's hot af tbh

[white pasture]

Yeah, she is a recently employed prostitute such details are hardly gratuitous.

When you are a demon corrupted hunter of Monsters the pool of potential sex partners is rather small

As opposed to graphic descriptions of torture,human sacrifice, cannibalism and such...

Pretty sure Jesus God has bigger issue with those things than genitals touching.

[earnest jungle]

I don’t know that Rodger specifically is the man mentioned in the Eulogy flavor text but he very clearly was someone important to Bridge

[white pasture]

Yeah, they bangedm

[rotund ferry]

I'm willing to bet Rodger was Thomas's lover

I'm not sure who else it could be

It's not really that hard to believe that a guy isolated from society is willing to engage in relationships with both sex

Man or woman love is love and people deserve to be happy

As long as it's between to consenting adults who actually cares?

[cunning solar]

that makes very little sense tbh

by that logic most people here would be gay

[rotund ferry]

I'd disagree. Personally if I was trapped, isolated or stranded from society for years and the first person to show me any sort of affection happened to be a guy I'd be a little more open to that particular person

[rotund ferry]

Lmao that was pretty funny tho

[cunning solar]

fair

[cunning solar]

yeah I mainly wanted to make some discord mod joke

it doesn't really work tho, discord does have a pretty big lgtb percentage. Coincidence? ^^
Anyway imma stay on topic here

[visual finch]

👀

[rotund ferry]

Not really you get all kinds of different people on here

But yeah I think Thomas Bridge was probably a western mountain man isolated from society and anyone he's ever met tried to either kill or rob him but this Rodger guy was probably the first to not try and do either of those things and they end up falling in love or something that's my assumption

[cunning solar]

yeah that's what I'm saying. Maybe people here are just more vocal about their preferences but I feel it definitely is more diverse than society as a whole

[rotund ferry]

Anyone know the lore implications of Rabbit In The Mine?

It's my favorite port Sulphur band song and I'm unfamiliar with it's lyrics

If there is any lore behind the lyrics at all that is

My assumption given the lyrics is that it's about Mrs. Ochenkov since Chary made her into what she is now deep in kingsnake mine

[hasty raven]

Sounds pretty applicable to Ochenkov

[rotund ferry]

That's what I'm thinking

I'm not familiar with any resemblances to rabbits and Mrs. Ochenkov either but there was a rabbit foot charm in Devil's moon

Same event that introduced Ochenkov as a hunter

But that is really stretching it

Could've also been a nickname Mr. Ochenkov used for her to be romantic and cute

[hasty raven]

I assumed rabbit wss a metaphor for being small and weak and trapped

A cowering prey animal, trapped in the mine or perhaps caught like a trap

[rotund ferry]

I always assumed it was whoever went into the mine went in a rabbit and whoever came out of the mine came out as something much more

The part of the song where it goes "When they walk you to the gallows you gotta hold your head up high" insinuates that you are to be confident in the face of death and a rabbit is surely something that flees in fear of death for it is prey not predator

[hasty raven]

Well she also says "they'll take me to the gallows for what I've done" because Ochenkov murdered her husband and would literally be hanged for that

And '[the gallows] are made to drop you (hang you) like a rabbit in the mine'

I think the phrase rabbit in the mine is a metaphor for awaiting your death

[hasty raven]

About the fear, the second line of the song is literally "it's fear that drives your mind"

Like a rabbit

[rotund ferry]

yeah I'm curious when the song was initially released that could line up with the event

the order was serpent > traitor and then devil's moon correct?

or was it traitor > serpent > devil

[icy brook]

Kind of a fun detail I noticed the other day, the “Base” threshers are actually Case threshers of the era

[hasty raven]

This one

[mellow mantle]

Didn't Mr.Chary already give him Slate shotgun?

Ah, nope, another Thomas

[mellow mantle]

Can anyone read this?

My eyes fail me

Why did they have to make it so small?

[white pasture]

its readable

basically you are hired to kill murder and maim knowing its illegal

[mellow mantle]

Can you transcript it for me?

Especially the lower part

[zinc depot]

the cursive part at the bottom? the resolution makes that kinda guesswork

The client is not liable for risks undertaken by the supplier, while risks are still formally encouraged. This contract is not limited to a set timeframe, while death naturally offers the option to negotiate for release.

[slow pebble]

Anybody got the masteries for Rotjaw?

I only got the first one so far.

[rotund ferry]

thanks

[red spear]

Someone has posted the first three entries so far, but they're far up in the chat. I'll see if I can get the first for you

[red spear]

@slow pebble there's the first two

[tawny badger]

when will there be rain in server latam?

[white pasture]

rain now

[red spear]

Do you mean not as a wildcard? Probably never.

[rotund ferry]

Hey what does the special ammo box say

[noble scarab]

It’s labeled AHA

[rotund ferry]

Thank you

[upbeat kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/uwu-smug-anime-stare-gif-17603924

[noble scarab]

The uwu box

[sinful warren]

Aight

Who's Enola again?

I think I heard that name before

[red spear]

Girl in Rotjaw's lore

[sinful warren]

I know that, need to read the second mastery tho

[red spear]

Someone posted screenshots of it way up in the chat

[red spear]

@sinful warren here

[sinful warren]

Thx

[red spear]

Wish we could have these pinned for the time being. At least until more people unlock them

[hasty raven]

Rotjaw's momma

Raised her from an egg

[celest notch]

Sherlock's sister

[sinful warren]

Who

[celest notch]

I'm joking idk

[granite shard]

I think enola sounds so familiar bc of the bomb lance skin from the last questlines

Nola’s screw

I wonder if there’s a relation between the ship Nola and the person Enola

[vast marsh]

So what’s sheriff hardins signature gun?

The lemat?

[zealous token]

Brass Flower and the new Vetterli

[humble ridge]

Rotjaw mastery 3

[zinc depot]

jesus already at 3