lore-discussion

[bold tangle]

the sparks pistol and alamo mastery pages are referencing the phantom right? considering the phantom's description of the scars and hiding them and with the whole prosthetic arm?

[noble scarab]

They’re referencing prisoners in pelican that were kept for AHA sanctioned torture/experimentation.

[neat juniper]

Sculptor is just the insects nerd

I bet he has ant farm

[bold tangle]

I mean true, but it does mention huff and we know Monroe was with him at some point in time, was curious if there could be more hunters in it that we know about currently

[earnest jungle]

It’s possible that the Phantoms arm was the final outcome of the Pelican Island’s experiments with prosthetics.

It is a remarkably advanced prosthetic for the time period

[bold tiger]

That's what I hope because otherwise it's a bit too stupid for the AHA even

[regal trout]

It's pretty fantasy, he has full range of mobility, something we're barely getting prosthetics with today

It can probably be written off by some Hunter magic of course

[torn schooner]

I was gonna say thats not even something we get close to now a days. We are just starting to get fingers down. Human bones are incredibly complex

Who are the canon scientists in the game btw. Do we know if there are any female scientists buried somewhere that could maybe become skins later? I know we have the researcher but is there anyone else?

[bold tiger]

These A.H.A. Scientists are too dumb and bad at anything to be female. The researcher is from many years later (for some reason I think 1970's) I believe, and so far ungendered.

Give us more inept, corrupt, useless, immoral, unethical and stupid scientists crytek please.

I want a southern dandy and a circus strongwoman as hunters

[icy brook]

Nikola Tesla time

[bold tiger]

Fancy Nikola tesla

With the pigeon he loved as a skin for the stalker beetle

If there's ever a consumeable that deserves a legendary its the beetle

[noble scarab]

Harold Black is the hunt era researcher and the one-semi competent person present aside from Lynch (who is evil and probably not even all the way human)

[regal trout]

Iirc we know Lynch isn't fully human

[noble scarab]

The AHA should be this hidden conspiracy type thing of badass monster hunters, instead we got Huff out here banging sticks of dynamite together to find out if they explode or not.

I say probably in case BATS can’t be taken literally

Which we know it usually can’t

[regal trout]

The AHA are basically just providing the sculptor the information they want. The whole reason the Louisiana outbreak is a thing is just so the sculptor can adapt to how humans react to it's attacks

The cruel irony is we're playing right into it's hand

[noble scarab]

It’s evidently fixed by 1897 or so tho, given how there’s people there researching the prison

So maybe both sides are just that bad

[bold tiger]

Gives humans a patriotic reason and a few years and the 1910's people would be drilling for oil and panning for gold inside the sculptors universe

[earnest jungle]

The AHA proper has Dr. Harold Black, Dr. Reinhard Winkler, Dr. Philip Huff Jones, Tamrat Scognamiglio, and Dr. LeMonnier.

Of these researchers Dr. Winkler, Dr. Jones, and Dr. LeMonnier are confirmed to be dead.

Philip Huff Jones was the head of the East Louisiana State Hospital and used it as the base of operations for the American Hunters Association. Huff allowed the Dead Zones to fester and decay for years as he was more interested in researching and experimenting with the corruption of the Sculptor than combating its influence. Using his own patients at the Hospital as lab rats and Guinea Pigs.

He also contracted the Warden Solomon Jabez sometime prior to 1894 to use the prisoners of Pelican Island Prison to determine the relationship between the mind/soul and the body. To that end Jabez used a combination of torture and drugs to bring about what he called ego-dissolution. I don’t know the exact reason for this but I suspect it has something to do with grunts because the behavior of the grunts as what exactly they are was still and open question as late as 1895.

It’s worth noting that in Haitian Vodou where the Zombie originates. A zombi is a dead person resurrected as a slave by a powerful bokor, the zombi has no will of their own and exists only to serve the bokor who created them. Which sounds very similar to both the grunts we encounter in game and the unfortunate victims of Solomon Jabez.

Alternatively Huff may have been conducting a different kind of research and an even more horrific kind of experiment: seeing what exactly attracts the corruption of the sculptor to a region.

It’s speculated by the researcher that the horrific cruelty of Pelican Island Prison is what attracted the Sculptor to DeSalle in the first place. Perhaps Huff was testing that hypothesis and using the unwitting Jabez to turn his prison into a lighthouse for the sculptor.

This is also the reason for the amputation experiments. Jabez is much less interested in the outcome of the experiments prosthesis wise and far more interested in using these experiments to being about ego-dissolution in the patient and to break his will and defiance.

[noble scarab]

There is also a Dr. Reed, mentioned in the Spider entries, presumably deceased

[wise tusk]

what was the description for Lulus sparks LRR

the seven sight

s

doesnt say it on the wiki

[narrow vigil]

The pigeon doesnt really make any sense, as the beetle is probably made/influenced by the sculptor which lets the hunters have a connection to it (my headcanon so take it with a grain of salt). Birds dont seem to be affected, as crows and ducks can just stick around the area without any side effects to them. Sculptor seems to prefer/have a special connection with bugs, with the spider and asssassin beetles for example

Also leave Tesla out of this, doesnt fit in at all 😅

We have regular hunters who dress as or even more fancier than Tesla so theres no need for his look a like

[small abyss]

Are there any "good" hunters? Most seem like bad people lol

[narrow vigil]

Some think the cause is "worth fighting for", like the Sgt Bridge

The Sheriff is also a good guy

I think the majority is neutral and its just business for them

[neat juniper]

redshirt

[narrow vigil]

I mean, he lost a bet

Is that bad?

Hes true to his word

[neat juniper]

Redneck

Literally just
Minding his own business
Then appoached by a secret organisation all like "you seem to have resistance to infection, can you please help us save the world for some money"
And was absolutely into it

Is
Is redneck a shonen protagonist

🤔

[upbeat kiln]

I highly doubt that the orphans of Louisiana would call Sheriff Hardin a good guy lol

[narrow vigil]

Dont remember that story, what he do?

[upbeat kiln]

Shipped literal trains of young kids to New Orleans, armed them with Winfields and sent them into the swamps with no supervision, hoping that they would somehow magically conquer the infection.

Oh.. and the kids that actually survived and came back from the swamps, he would kill, because he feared retaliation

[visual finch]

If i remember correctly one of the few good hunter is Marshall Brewer, but i may remember wrong

[narrow vigil]

Which weapon has that story?

[upbeat kiln]

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-confessions-of-sheriff-hardin-pt-1

This is part 1

[narrow vigil]

Ah havent read those, thank you

[upbeat kiln]

https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/The_Confessions_of_Sheriff_Hardin,_pt_2

There's a follow-up here

[narrow vigil]

Thank you

Shame these arent in the game, makes it a bit hard to keep up with all of it

[torn schooner]

Marshall Brewer giga chad

[civic bloom]

How does player rezzing each other play into the lore

I always wondered why they pat each other to life

[narrow vigil]

Youre only downed till you lose all your healthbars and then you die

So hunters are like "comoon buddy, get up dont give up" to their mates

And the bounty redskull revive is demon magic thingy

[small abyss]

@upbeat kiln so are there any good hunters or not really?

I guess the native American hunters lol

[wraith cove]

I dont think carters inherently bad maybe he schemes a little now and then but who doesnt

Hes only in the bayou to avenge his pals (that felis killed) and make money

[torn schooner]

I am pretty sure its just means to an end

[visual finch]

Also Redneck and Redshirt are not bad

One is just on his own, the other is just greedy and ballsy

[little lake]

There's a fair few that aren't 'evil.'

Most of the ones that aren't using the situation to further their own agenda are just in the bayou over issues like revenge/vengeance/justice

Prodigal daughter, for example, is just tryna kill the people who turned on her mother.

[proper latch]

Is there any extra lore for Harold Black past his legendary hunter entry? He's the one you can purchase right?

The researcher?

[polar fable]

Yes, you can learn more about him in assassin’s entries in the book of monsters

[untold blaze]

What the fuck is Daughter of Decay’s deal? Pardon my French, like what’s her lore

[torn schooner]

didnt her family die and she grew crops with their corpses

[buoyant crystal]

I think thats pretty much it. Dead family gets turned to fertilizer.

[empty owl]

soylent green is people?

[upbeat kiln]

Thats a great question! One I might have to owe you an answer to :))

[small abyss]

The hunters just all seem like broken people. None really went to fight the sculpter bc it was fighting against evil. Most are selfish or indifferent to the evil at best.

@upbeat kiln videos on the hunters themselves, character studies diving inside their minds and theorizing who and what they are would be amazing.

Boss videos are cool, but I'd like to see your take on the individual hunters

[upbeat kiln]

Broken for sure. But lots of people went into the bayous with the intention of ending evil. Like Hardin for example. His philosophy was just that the end justifies the means.

[upbeat kiln]

I appreciate that. But I don't know if my knowledge for that is deep enough. Some of the people in this Discord have amaaazing theories and insights. They could probably do it more Justice than I ever could :))

[small abyss]

Hardin is arguably just as evil lol. Also, just work with the discord guys. Get thier theories and put your voice to them.

Would be awesome and very unique among hunt lore videos

[upbeat kiln]

I mean if you compare Hardin to either Lynch, Chary or even Huff, I would definitely say he is the only one that's actually on "our" side.

[noble scarab]

Hardin's on our side, he's just very misguided and a bit cruel

Hardin, Brewer, and Sgt. Bridgewater seem to be the only ones there to specifically fight the infection

A few of the Chinese Hunters are there to learn how to hunt

Most of the Natives are also mostly fighting the infection

[bold tiger]

Generally the hunters fight the infection

Generally

[wraith cove]

Is their even any real lore behind that steel eyed guy from last drop

[noble scarab]

local gunfighter comes to place where he can freely gunfight

[loud magnet]

If I recall correctly an Asian country also had the sculptors or similiar entity in the past spreading corruption. And most of the Asians are there due to being related to the previous hunters in Asia, hence why the are there.

Idk why the ronin is there though. Pride? Greed? Boredom? Probably a bit of all and more

The natives on the other hand are there because it’s their land really and they know of the sculptor before because of shamans etc and other weird voodoo things. Besides the bone doctor they are good (considering he works with chary we can assume he ain’t da best boi)

[noble scarab]

the bone doc isnt a native, he's a former slave turned voodooist

[loud magnet]

Doesn’t he work and live with them though? Or am I wrong on that account?

[balmy oyster]

No. He’s the head of the voodoo community

[small abyss]

So why did the assassin teach harold how to hunt. Why would a monster teach someone how to fight them?

[torn schooner]

I feel like the monsters are in immense pain.

They want to die but the sculptor doesnt allow them to

The difference being that a common grunt is just a grunt where a boss monster is a hyper intelligent being

Like we cant possibly know if they are still aware inside the mind. What if the sculptor morphs the body but not the mind.

Imagine being unable to stop yourself from killing your family. your friends. thats what I imagine grunts go through. Thats what I imagine the assassin goes through.

[untold blaze]

I imagine that the Assassin, has like, the consciousness of a human, melded with the consciousness of all the critters that make it up

Which in retrospect is probably incredibly unwell for their mental state

[restive patrol]

If you've read the entries for the grunt, it is implied that the grunt's original host consciousness is aware of their actions, but are trapped, unable to do anything as their bodies decay

[noble scarab]

the next twitch drop Hunter is named "The Infected" so maybe we'll have a Hunters thats halfway to grunt

[lunar sky]

Guys remember when the bad hand died then turned into the revenant or something

[untold blaze]

That would be sick

I might actually redownload twitch if that’s the case

[round bluff]

Is the Revenant a joke to you??

Best skin hands down.

[proper latch]

So is Bad Hand a Wellspringed Revenant or is Revenant the Wellspringed Bad Hand?

[noble scarab]

Bad Hand is from before he died, The Revenant is him brought back via voodoo

[noble scarab]

Mans been brought back via voodoo instead of from the plague, but I agree he’s a great skin

[subtle ingot]

Oh shit I forgot thats Harold

[upbeat kiln]

Vincent is not the brightest of the bunch? lol

[empty owl]

i think vincent taught harold how to hunt animals and other outdoorsman activities, he did not expect him to be hired by the AHA to hunt him down later on

maybe vincent lost his humanity when he fully transformed into the assassin

he at least have some redeeming qualities when he was in control of his shapeshifting abilities

[oblique egret]

who tf is vincent

[wraith cove]

The assassin @oblique egret

[snow sundial]

the assassin

[tropic lily]

Vincent the assassin

👻 👻 👻

[small abyss]

Imagine the money Vincent could make if he teamed up with a hunter and ran an exterminator business. He'd shift into roaches and run through a shack then you come behind him and sell the solution.

[atomic grotto]

is there going to be another boss anytime soon?

[visual finch]

It has been confirmed that a boss is somewhat in development, but we don't know at what stage it is, so no ETA

[atomic grotto]

do we know what the boss is?

[visual finch]

No.

[atomic grotto]

not even from serpent event?

[visual finch]

What do you mean?

[atomic grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ss15BCjlI0&t=2s

[visual finch]

Those are all speculation, and for now it's all we have 🙂

[low radish]

The boss is Dennis, they're finally putting him in the game

[subtle plover]

So, about the dead. I have a hypothesis. You know how the sculptor made some of these beings. What if the hunters going into the hunt and dying is why the grunts don't go away. The dead hunters get reanimated. There are some holes but I think it is a cool idea

[noble scarab]

might be a bit of both, we know that the Sculptor also recreates his grunts from time to time

[empty owl]

could be as a way of recycling dead bodies and using them as the sculptor's foot soldier

[bold tiger]

I believe in a livestream they said something along the lines of "It's not going to be a simple animal like a werewolf or alligator (or was it snake?)"

[earnest jungle]

You can’t fool me it’s going to be the Widow Blanchett in all her wizened glory!

[empty owl]

after hearing a lot of things about widow blanchett, i think she made a deal with the sculptor to help her in enacting her revenge. The attack on healing waters is possibly directed by her to hurt or kill Ishim Gird and his congregation, and thus resulting in the massacre

my personal headcanon is that she has managed to muster a group of hunters in joining her own private army to aid her in contacting the sculptor and also as a necessary sacrifice for it to feed, considering that she has a lot of money it would be assumed that she did do so within the early stages of the outbreak, doing so under the pretense that she offered significantly more pay than the AHA

[torn schooner]

I mean this theory would also feed into the hunter that we know is called the infected. So that could be more solid than you think.

[balmy oyster]

Nothings really set in stone but I mean, ok?

I mean I guess but

If it sounds like leaking water

It could be like anything that lives in water.

Like a catfish

Or a snake

Or idk, prawn

[real relic]

Which hunters are members of "Night of the hunter"?

[upbeat kiln]

Night Seer, Night Acolyte and one more which I can't remember

@earnest jungle ?

[earnest jungle]

Night Caller and the Prescient, but the Prescient is a former member not a current member

[real relic]

I am facinated with their group , but i wasn't quite able to understand the full scope of their faith.

@upbeat kiln @earnest jungle

[earnest jungle]

It’s a doomsday cult that believes that it’s already too late to stop the Sculptor’s invasion and so to survive the impending apocalypse they’re using demon blood and the boss bounties in rituals to ensure their survival.

[noble scarab]

The Serpents moon event implied that Issac might be the one trying to cause the apocalypse

[noble scarab]

also we have The Infected's lore blurb now, and it confirms he's infected, if not outright a somewhat more cognizant grunt

[real relic]

Many thanks to both of you

[rotund ferry]

I have some questions

[lofty estuary]

So without knowing any of hunts lore for a 1000 hours of playtime (i know i should be ashamed) but how actually does it come we can control the beetle as hunters ?

[noble scarab]

We possess it? There’s not really been an official explanation

[tardy citrus]

Is there somewhere I can learn about the night caller?

[earnest jungle]

Not much is know except that he’s responsible for the Revenant’s resurrection

[lofty estuary]

Hmm a shame it hasnt been explained yet. Had the discussion with a mate yesterday and he was basically saying its the same how we control darksight. It makes you wonder though why we wouldnt be able to control crows etc as well.

[noble scarab]

Our beetle friend is almost certainly a product of the other side, which must make it easier to control

[rotund ferry]

Is the lore based on real life ????????????????

[upbeat kiln]

Some of real life plays a part of the lore, yes. It's semi-based on real people and events

[rotund ferry]

The questions was joke 😄 but what events for example

[noble scarab]

Huff was a real person, most of the in-lore locations existed; ie Jackson asylum. A lot of the legendaries are based on folklore or historical figures as well

[rotund ferry]

Ohh alrgith thx

[lunar sky]

Guys remember when monroe made his shotgun and glass knife

[rotund ferry]

Can someone explain to me the ritual a hunter must go through before they can hunt

[worthy abyss]

The Tier I Hunters have the attire of Saloon workers, Cowboys, and Farmers, so I'd assume they're just local townspeople who've only just taken up a gun.

The Tier II Hunters have the uniforms of Civil-War soldiers and rugged wear, so they're likely experienced veterans, gunslingers, and adventurers coming to Louisiana

Tier III Hunters look like a mix between Cultists and what the Tier IIs were going for. They're probably the senior guns in the AHA with similar backgrounds to the previous two, but they lived through it and probably partake in some of the unhinged shit (In the "Evening Sun" video on Steam, they bury people alive) done within the ranks. Maybe even the rituals done to get those syringes filled with that Dark-Sight substance

(Posting this here for anyone who's wondering)

[neat juniper]

No ritual, just inject yourself with ultra serum and go forth if you can still move on your own accord
Some people can act even without serum, but serum certainly helps

[wraith cove]

If i recall not everyone survives the demon juice injection either so thats its own hurtle

[rotund ferry]

That doesn't explain how hunters without the serum can have dark sight and other abilities

[neat juniper]

There are no hunters without serum that can use darksight

Except maybe lynch, but she isn't a hunter at all, she is otherworldly creature on par with sculptor

[rotund ferry]

Is this not a Christian video game? The blood ritual is where I draw the line

[restive patrol]

there could also be the possibility that hunters reached their abilities via alternative methods (ie the Natives likely had a different method, rather than the serum (which seems to be a more recent invention), in sensing the occult)

[neat juniper]

Good points, but would that be counted as a hoonter?
Do we know if natives used darksight hunters can or had other abilities?

[rotund ferry]

The process of making the serum is pure evil, and taking the serum is a moral issue. But banishing the monsters away are done with the same energy from the Sculptor, making it an ill will.

[restive patrol]

1. Prob as long as they aren't able to succumb to the corruption or work for the AHA (cause there are numerous independent factions that also hunt the same prey, ie mentions of a Chinese Organization and the Sinners).
2. I don't have the full lore, but if I recall from the Light the Shadow Event, they said that the natives have been dealing with the corruption with their own methods for hundreds of years.

[rotund ferry]

The Sculptor wants souls, that is his goal.

[noble scarab]

Nah the sculptor out here is kinda a lovecraftian blind idiot type god who’s vaguely attempting to terror-form parts of our world so it can come chill there. Lynch and Chary are the ones out here stealing souls from time to time

[thick socket]

Whomst is the sculptor

[dusk crypt]

what is so special about lynch?

[noble scarab]

the thing that caused the bayou to be all fucked up

[noble scarab]

lynch seems to be some kind of entity from the sculptor's realm

[lunar sky]

Red neck?

From what I know he never took one

[neat juniper]

He couldn't use darksight before taking serum
He took one after being officially introduced to aha
He is only immune to corruption
At least that's what i know
If experts have other pov, feel free to step up

[lunar sky]

Oh ok yeah I was thinking that maybe if he’s immune dark sight was on him or something idk

But thanks

[rotund ferry]

The AHA probably doing rituals with the bounties

[lunar sky]

If beetles have dark sight couldn’t that mean that they use beetle blood for the serum

[rotund ferry]

Beetles are influenced by the sculptor still

[lunar sky]

Seeing how the aha is corrupt that wouldn’t be far fetched

[lunar sky]

😕

[rotund ferry]

The banishments are pointlsess also.

Hunters report the same monster respawn every time.

[neat goblet]

That's why I never clean my toilet.

[noble scarab]

The AHA use the returned bounty token for something either selling it as a powerful occult artifact, or extracting more power out of it then what your average bayou redneck can get.

[molten forge]

Perhaps they're trying to control the Sculptor by amassing its more powerful creations that way?

[balmy oyster]

I think it’s just proof of kill

Cause the token isn’t like, an actual token, but like something from the bounty, like a scrap of flesh or somethin

But I mean, idk

[molten forge]

Well, clearly the token holds power, as it allows hunters to revive the dead and see other hunters. So likely that it allows for detection of corruption?

[foggy sundial]

Guys crazy theory but, I think the sculptor is just a goofy guy in a silly goofy mood just causing some mischief in the Louisiana bayou

But actual question has anyone tried to write a physical lore entry on anything in the game like for example the grunts would probably be easy because their journal entry is pretty short

[balmy oyster]

His only goal is to make the real estate in the bayou unbearable

[foggy sundial]

Finally a villain that has my same goal to be able to afford that crack house down the road

[neat juniper]

Sculptor is Scooby-Doo villain

[icy brook]

unmasks

it’s red neck

[noble scarab]

mans just wants to keep those meddlin' hunters off his land

[tardy citrus]

No wonder they eat people and horses but not chickens

[untold lodge]

what happened to the legendary hunters in the traitors moon event? were they all sacrificed in a ritual?

[noble scarab]

No, they all ended up trapped in Kingsnake Mine with something coming up from the bottom

[untold lodge]

That's Serpent Moon, the event that just happened. I'm asking about the one before with The Kid, Rat, Turncoat etc as the bonus point hunters

[bold tiger]

An angry redditor

[bold tiger]

Traitors moon was just a prequel

[untold lodge]

so the hunters crytek chose to be bonus points where just random for that event?

[noble scarab]

oh shit i cant read

yea nothing happened to them

they were just randoms

[bold tiger]

Not random

DLC. At least I think?

[noble scarab]

random dlcs

i meant random as in they had nothing to do with the story

[untold lodge]

Yeah they were DLC. I was asking because the hunters for Serpent moon are tied to the plot for the event. While Im assuming for Traitors moon they just chose 4 random hunters to be the bonus point ones

[noble scarab]

they did

[bold tiger]

They were probably just developing the system really

[noble scarab]

i think originally it was going to be a werewolf themed event and be similar to the last native event, but something changed

the setup was all there, the two paths, plus the dlc hunter

[empty owl]

and also that wolf themed guns dlc

[sleek bane]

I want a huge woman with the head of a bull

Werewolf is cool but an existing monster, crocodiles are real

Regarding boss hopes

[lost adder]

what if The Scullptor is Mr Chary?

[neat juniper]

[daring stratus]

Add a nice water boss to circle around the thick water

Make him a giant crawfish and give him guns

Then this would achieve nothing but be cool

[small abyss]

@daring stratus we can boil him instead of banish?

[daring stratus]

Yes

[small abyss]

Being from Louisiana i like this idea

[daring stratus]

You must bring the butter item to get a free perk

[small abyss]

Just need onions, crawfish boil, lemons, potatoes and corn

Sausage if your feeling fancy

[daring stratus]

Then it gives you the special skin

Called the “Great Claw” bomb lance with a lobster claw

And the claw axe

[small abyss]

Or a new knife

The claw

[daring stratus]

And finally a romero claw skin

[small abyss]

This should all be real

[daring stratus]

The claw, the claw, and the little claw

Being an axe, bomb lance, and small crab claw knife

[hollow urchin]

Are all maps located in Louisiana USA?

[indigo raptor]

I personally don't think DeSalle is in Louisiana. I'm from the South, and DeSalle is solidly southern Missouri looking, IMO. This is not backed up by anything other than my actual experience in the region LOL

also, in the teasers for DeSalle, it was always "heading NORTH to DeSalle"

[placid jacinth]

Guys do you think Scrapbeak is a living human being

[rare remnant]

I'm pretty sure he is

[upbeat kiln]

He used to be at least

[thick socket]

Are the bosses in Hunt anyone of significance from lore entries?

[rare remnant]

I think the only one that was human was scrapbeak

technically the butcher too

but not anyone important

[indigo raptor]

Assassin used to be human. He has a name: Vincent

[rare remnant]

nah he just some bugs

[zealous token]

The spider used to be three people

[drowsy canopy]

at least Three we and not quite sure how many people the Spider were only that they all shared a mass grave

[tardy citrus]

Is there a specific year 1895/96? That the game takes place or just roughly the turn of the century?

[untold blaze]

I just read the pentients lore, and what the actual fuck?

From what I can take it, he murdered his wife and son, went nuts, started flaying himself till it stopped hurting, then wrapped himself in barbed wire, flayed his face, put the cloth sack on, had a wee PTSD attack and then drafted himself into the AHA

[neat juniper]

It is what it is

[heady tree]

Missouri was my home state, I wasn't often in southern Missouri unless we were canoeing but DeSalle hasn't really given me any Missouri country feelings. Areas like Kingsnake & Pelican feel more like Colorado; if any areas of DeSalle gave off that rural Missouri vibe I'd say Heritage Pork, Moses Poultry, -maybe Lumber-, and Upper & Lower DeSalle.

[indigo raptor]

The whole white rock hills is very southern Missouri to me. Reminds me of driving through the area to get to Branson 😂

[thorn owl]

There definitely aren't any mountains like that in Louisiana lol. I think the developers just wanted an "old west mining company" compound.

[daring stratus]

Louisiana is very flat

[icy brook]

Could have chowed California, Colorado, or Montana for a high elevation mining town 😔

[foggy sundial]

Actually speaking of that did anyone get all the lore tablets during the event I wanted to read them all but stopped playing in the middle of the event and got back in late

[noble scarab]

all the lore should be posted somewhere in here, possibly even pinned

[foggy sundial]

The night caller gave revenant a booty call that’s why he’s alive

[lavish mist]

[heady tree]

https://youtu.be/mP3bxYIHjPQ

I tried to post 3 pictures of a low-water tributary & Southern Missouri Riverside, an old building from Hunt's era, and the text that clarifies it's history just to clarify what we were talking about... but I guess the upload got denied.

[heady tree]

What's the lore behind the armored? Why do they always let out female sounding cries when they die?

[untold blaze]

How in tarnation do they sound female my guy?

[heady tree]

Burn one and they have the same death scream as female zombies

[untold blaze]

Huh, wack

[worthy abyss]

I think the armoreds are made up with something kinda like Chitin (the stuff insect shells are made of)

[rose cape]

is there any lore mentioning ghouls in hunt? I am working on a fan fiction at present

[small abyss]

So the redneck is immune to corruption? Also is the infected hunted slowly turning into a grunt or has he stopped the spread?

[wraith cove]

Yes/ dont think its stated

[wraith cove]

In one of the logs in the game it said that after drinking water from a mineral deposit from a mine he had just found gold in he died then his body turned into an armored

[noble scarab]

They’re an evolution of the grunt, with chitin or paper like armor, meant to protect rifts/clues

[restive patrol]

source here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga34IHKdVMU&t=20s (keep in mind: some of the lore in this video may or may not have been retconned as they switched directions post-launch)

[noble scarab]

The redneck was somehow resistant to it, but he was inducted into the AHA making him immune, then the infected seems to be half grunt and probably still turning

[small abyss]

@noble scarab so most hardcore rednecks would survive. Rise my people!

[daring stratus]

Because they scream loudly and horrifically, and they aren’t the most feminine sounding. The hives are very feminine, while the armored sound like hl2 zombies

[daring stratus]

So is anyone in the AHA immune? Also what is the AHA?

[tardy citrus]

Are any of the AHA’s previous exploits ever mentioned? Anything paranormal they interacted with before the whole Louisiana case?

[noble scarab]

They got their ass kicked by a poltergeist in old lore, that’s about it

[noble scarab]

They’re all roughly immune due to a serum created from demons blood. The aha is the American hunters association, a secret group that hunts and kills paranormal monsters

[daring stratus]

What is demons blood? And how do they get it?

[noble scarab]

Look up the lore page from the pax claw, it’ll explain it, but basically Lynch tortures a guy then summons a demon then catches it and boils it down to make the serum

[daring stratus]

Ah ok, time to go lore digging

[tardy citrus]

Is there a bit more to the story I can read? Or it’s just mentioned in passing somewhere?

[small abyss]

@noble scarab what do you think lynchs main goal was and will we seem them again?

In the TV show I hope

[potent merlin]

I thought DeSalle was in Arkansas, somewhere in the Ozarks leaning a bit to the west

[noble scarab]

HazmatFTW covers it in some of his videos but that’s basically the only in-lore mention of how the serum is made

[noble scarab]

Lynch was trying to prevent the sculptor from taking over, probably because she wants to be the one to do that

We might see her again, but she was also banished by the twins

[noble scarab]

Desalle is still somewhere technically in Louisiana, probably towards Texas

[small abyss]

@noble scarab I live in Louisiana. Texas border actually. There isn't anywhere identical to desalle, but there are similar locations such as areas like kisatchie forest

Rocks, boulders hills and waterfalls there

[tardy citrus]

Ik bit bout the serum but I’m curious bout that poltergeist?

[tardy citrus]

So nice

[small abyss]

Lol

And....it snows in Louisiana lol

Lot they could still do map wise

[tardy citrus]

A map with light snow would be cool then if it’s also actually possible for Louisiana

[noble scarab]

It’s old lore, but they just mention dealing with a “particularly nasty poltergeist”

[tardy citrus]

Hmmm, I’d be cool to learn a bit more about the universe of hunt

[noble scarab]

As always check out HazmatFTWs lore videos, he goes over a ton of the lore and is always working on more

[tardy citrus]

Ye his videos are great, saw the grunt one minutes after it came out

[signal stratus]

It might be a nod to Horrors of the gilded age, the original project that inspired Hunt.

[noble scarab]

That’s a good point, I hadn’t considered that, but it’d make sense. It’s also funny to think that the AHA had trouble dealing with an intangible poltergeist because it’s not something they could just shoot or blow up

[rotund ferry]

Who actually is scrapbreak ?

Is it just a normal zombie with a clothe on him ?

With axe in hand ?

[tardy citrus]

As far as I know he was a civil war soldier who lost his legs, got machine legs, and eventually got corrupted

And he likes collecting stuff

[rotund ferry]

Oh alright thanks 😄

[tardy citrus]

There’s probably ppl who can explain it better tho

[rotund ferry]

What about amored ?

Why hes called armored

He looks like normal zombie with camo leaves on him lol

[earnest jungle]

Lynch held a grudge against the Sculptor my theory is Lynch came from a reality that the Sculptor overran and that’s why she does what she does.

[earnest jungle]

And I hadn’t considered that it was a nod to the original concept seeing as they do include other nods to the original concept of the game. Including John Hayward Hunter the original protagonists of the game.

[bold tangle]

From what I’ve been told is that he killed 17 people including his father and that’s what led him to his downfall

I could be way wrong though, I never read his entries

[tardy citrus]

Ur probably right, I only know what was showed in the trailer

[small abyss]

I thought he was the father. I gotta read the story again lol

@noble scarab was sb the father who was beaten by the son or the son

[noble scarab]

The father

[small abyss]

Ah that's what I thought

Really sad story

Poor guy was just trying to be happy

[grizzled token]

so is bunny a German Shepherd or a mastiff?

cause theres papers that say both ways

[grizzled token]

theres a paper in port reeker that says bunny is a german shepherd but the monstrorvm says mastiff

[empty owl]

there's not exactly a specific official stance whether or not bunny is a shepherd or a mastiff, soooo speculation still afloats

[quartz arch]

But there are only 12 people in a lobby

[glad verge]

in the black market, the hunter contracts, what does the fine print say? I can't read it with my poor quality devices

[buoyant peak]

what is the beliefs of the AHA? are they a defense organiation to get rid of the corruption or are they a religious organization?

i am curious because lots of people say the most experianced hunters are all cultists

[lunar sky]

The aha where formed for the soul purpose of riding areas of otherworldly threats (they aren’t religious) the bone doctor and the night acolyte are good examples of voodoo cultist 87.5% of the hunters are actual hunters that want to rid the bayou. the other 12.5% are cultist with unknown agendas but yes the cultist are half of the t3 roster so the reason why it might seem like the aha could be religious is that those people focus on the t3 only and don’t take in the group as a whole but a well we know in hunt showdown hell exist, it ain’t pretty I’m pretty sure it’s Christian hell. The songs also point to it, but one thing is certain hell exist in hunt showdown lynch went down to get a legendary Winfield I believe.

[grizzled token]

thank you for the answer always wondered it lol

[nimble halo]

Those papery growths on his body, bullet resistant. Like Kevlar kinda

Which is why he’s also weak to fire/stab damage

[wraith cove]

Think its meant in the way that most the hunters that make it too t3 start to see things in a different way then what the aha wants them to wether that be from their own experiences or the influence of said cult members

[rare wolf]

Do we have the reapers lore? If so where can I find it

[icy brook]

In the Reaper trailer, can anyone identify the individual standing to the left of Lulu or a woman who resembles her?

[rare wolf]

Here?

[icy brook]

Yep exactly

[mint rampart]

Kid without cowboy hat and Lulu

[rare wolf]

Where can I read like the in depth lore for characters?

[grizzled pilot]

Their dlc pages on steam are probably the best

[solar gazelle]

my theory is that all of this despite the lore saying otherwise it takes place in Ohio explaining why all the weird stuff happens

[tribal frigate]

Quick question regarding the story of Vincent (assassin) interacting with another hunter outside of the dead zone and then disappearing, is that the assassin being lucid and aware or was it Vincent basically just before his turning.

[noble scarab]

We don't really know? Vincent was his own person despite still having his bug powers, but post-invasion he seems to have lost much of his free will

[upbeat kiln]

Maybe Vincent knows he can't escape his fate. That he is trapped in the endless curse of the Sculptor until the source is destroyed. So he tried to train someone to end his misery

[calm sphinx]

seams to me with how crazy we are getting with what lore allows, (like stalker beetles) maybe someday custom ammo we can use to heal allies?

[lunar sky]

Yes it’s on his hunters bio he basically needs to kill to stay alive so his family sent him to desalle to keep him alive

[lunar sky]

Always something going down in Ohio🤣

[tardy citrus]

Vitality shotbolt for crossbow

Heh

[thorn owl]

That actually sounds really cool. I already like sticking teammates with shots when standing next to them.

[potent merlin]

Doubt his wife is Lulu my g's

[livid crypt]

I like the vit shot arrow/bolt idea, but they also do damage, so your teammate(s) cannot have 50 or less health without dying.

[indigo raptor]

going by Lulu's lore, I would say there's no chance 🙂

[potent merlin]

Preach sis 💪🏻😤

[earnest jungle]

So the Stocker Beetle is one subspecies of a strange super natural insect capable of interbreeding with other insects and producing fertile offspring:

https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/the-stalker-beetle-a-louisiana-foulbrood

Foulbrood+Bees=SB

[tardy citrus]

Relatable, I love shoo . . . Oh you mean vitality shots

[lunar sky]

Lore accurate reaper

[fair prism]

So i'm not the type of person to go deep into lore but i've wondered what is the origins of the assassin and butcher?

[noble scarab]

assassin is a former hunter named vincent, he can turn into bugs. the butcher is a meathead a guy taxidermied and stuck a pig head on, which got brought to life

[fair prism]

intresting

[bold tiger]

By lightning! 🌩 At least that's implied

[rotund ferry]

Is there any lore behind butcher ? Or there isnt

[small abyss]

Vincent always had powers though from the lore huh. At least from what I've read.

[noble scarab]

Yea, far as we know he did. His encounters with Harold Black were even in 1890, well before the main bulk of the infection

[lunar sky]

Who’s Harold black?

Is Harold white around?

[small abyss]

So then Vincent could be another being from somewhere else who initially had good intentions and was corrupted later on

[potent merlin]

I mean he could've been an entirely different entity from square one tbh

[lunar sky]

So does that mean that Vincent is weaker than lynch and lynch is as strong as the assassin?

[potent merlin]

I mean dang, I remember seeing someone theorise that Lynch is an entity from a world/dimension that the Sculptor fucked over so perhaps Lynch and the Assassin came from the same race/dimension/street gang/whatever but just like a lot of conquered people through out history some may have to serve the enemy after defeat to make existing a little nicer so. Lynch might be out on the clap the sculptor mission and the assassin is like a loyalist, if you will?

[lunar sky]

I get you

[tardy citrus]

In the sovereign’s lore it mentions the fight back in China

Is there a similar situation?

I read about Nian coming to eat livestock n stuff

But that doesn’t seem like something that would warrant lots of hunters in China

Maybe tho idk

Is the situation in Louisiana occurring elsewhere as well?

[noble scarab]

Yea, its happening in China in the form of the Nian

[tardy citrus]

A single spirit?

[noble scarab]

its still just the sculptor

but its created the various Nian and things that are affecting China

[rotund ferry]

Is there lore behind assasin??

[tardy citrus]

The sculptor is not only focused on Louisiana?

This is news to me

[lunar sky]

It happens all over, the aha is solely focused on America

[lunar sky]

It’s a dude named Vincent that was corrupted and turned into the assassin

[lunar sky]

Carcass gunrunner after smuggling guns:

[tardy citrus]

Carcass gunrunner after smuggling guns: “I have smuggled guns” -Carcass gunrunner

[fallen sequoia]

from the text entries he seems to already be able to split up into incest before he became the assassin
did he get the plague and then he went mad and just became the assassin?

[lunar sky]

He was supernatural like lynch

[lavish mist]

split up into incest

[lunar sky]

Insects?

[small abyss]

Lmao

Best mistype ever

[lunar sky]

🤣

[tardy citrus]

Alabama’s a few states over 👀

[solar gazelle]

Hellhounds are just raggedy ahh pitbulls just throw a defenceless child to them to counter them

[lunar sky]

https://tenor.com/view/drakest-dugeon-slash-critical-gif-16553651

[lunar sky]

Your hits on dogs after doing that

[lunar sky]

The aha when new hunters questioned the viability of the dark sight shot

[foggy sundial]

City boys just don’t understand that injecting a syringe of a possible deadly fluid is just how it is round these parts

Is there lore to why mama maye has a dump truck attached to her

[restive patrol]

https://fashiongtonpost.com/ultimate-guide-to-frame-skirts/

[foggy sundial]

[lunar sky]

It matters on what’s on the inside 👍

[night sage]

ummmm excuse me they are Italian mastiffs 🤓

[worthy abyss]

A lantern can just fuck their day up

[lunar sky]

Pov: the aha seeing a new boss (scrapbeak) enter the bayou

[topaz cradle]

hey I'm in need of assistance is there any possible way this weapon could exist in the hunt showdown universe before it was created in our world? the British pump-action sniper or The SREM-1. links attached https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi47JdrZV0U - https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/SREM-1

I think it could fit very well in to hunt Showdown because first off it got never adopted in the real world and only one is far as We Know still exist so this could be up major historical weapon add to hunt Showdown

and another reason is this would be a long ammo or medium ammo pump action rifle isn't that a super cool idea?

meaning it would use iron Devastator

[noble scarab]

No reason it couldn't exist

well the devs havent really gone past 1916 or so in terms of weapons

[topaz cradle]

yeah I think so too the problem is I think Dennis don't want weapons to be too close to World War II but I feel like this weapon should be an exception because it never existed only one prototype exist it's basic like the pancor jackhammer

I hope he stream soon so I can ask him

I used to just suggest whatever I wanted but now I feel like I want to ask Dennis first what he thinks about the idea because if a developer don't even like the idea it's certainly not going to get added

[toxic turret]

tbf, the avtomat isnt real either (at least not in the form of a mosin nagant), so i wouldnt exactly say it doesnt fit

[topaz cradle]

yes that is another example of a gun which technically doesn't exist but exist through games and I would love to see this rifle in Hunt showdown to

[simple carbon]

Something fairly similar to the weapon you posted above however much more time appropriate (patent application june 20 1895 patent granted apr 5 1898)
Samuel McClean slide action rifle

[rotund ferry]

I do like the idea but I also wish Hunt would add a bit more wild west popular guns first like a henry rifle, remington 1875, etc

[foggy sundial]

We need more shitty homemade weapons like the bomblance cause there for sure is a resident in the bayou that makes guns out of his fishing boat warehouse

[shadow fjord]

just a fork as a melee weapon

[high stone]

Agreed, more Victorian era home brew weapons

[tardy citrus]

This one could be a funny derringer alternative

[shadow fjord]

you should be able to dual wield this

[tardy citrus]

Your crosshair gonna be like

( )

[night sage]

whats the reload time though?

[neat juniper]

I'd argue four times that of a sparks pistol

[topaz cradle]

this is an actual beautiful rifle it looks very sleek 👀 😍

[topaz cradle]

to be honest I would also be prefer homemade or fantasy weapons like weapon didn't exist in all World completely because in Hunt showdown universe I'm imagining the hunt associations across the world try to weapons specifically to deal with unnatural entities

[visual finch]

I honestly can't remember from the lore if some "wacky" weapons on the line of the bomblance are even nominated

But i would love similar weapon too

[simple carbon]

Springfield bayonet with an added ax head
Replace the stock with the shaft of a pole arm

Springfield Halberd Light piercing jab heavy rending sweep much like the bomblance heavy and a singleshot that's essentially hip firing a Springfield, no one tap ability like harpoon however dumdum would be great for pressuring attacks

[frigid flume]

What Does Crytek Logo in Hunt Showdown Means?

[foggy sundial]

It means cry

[night sage]

maybe its a representation of good vs evil

even though im pretty sure an upside down cross is a symbol for another denomination but pop culture has molded it into a sign of evil

or maybe im just dumb and a joke flew over my head

[foggy sundial]

Did it fly over like a beetle

[night sage]

I woulda heard it then

[untold blaze]

It’s the Saint Peters cross if I’m remembering correctly

[night sage]

prolly I havent a clue

[untold blaze]

I barely have a clue, I’m like, a failure of a Catholic

[tardy citrus]

How does quad derringer firing pin work?

[echo dagger]

Usually its was a dual under over so it would be the same as a double barrel shotty, but a quad? Id guess probably a rotating cylinder and the hammer smacks a plate which pushes the pin into the small weak bullet

[tardy citrus]

So when you pull the trigger there’s a plate that rotates after each shot?

[restive patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BywHxVtm7xo

[rotund ferry]

Does assasin have a lore ?

[noble scarab]

TLDR, former Hunter turns into bugs, also it’s in the lore pages, which are in game and in the pinned things here

[rotund ferry]

Oh ok

Ty

[obsidian shadow]

idk if someone already pointed this out but on the third slide it says "what they get in exchange for it [the bounty token] is currently unknown" but it even says 2 sentences later that it is because they get a reward (money) for it. Unless this is referring to why the AHA or whoever buys the tokens wants them?

[edgy aspen]

The Hunters Associations secure donations and funding for compensation to hunters. I believe their donors or benefactors rarely know the truth. Like money from false fronts. Or blackmailed.

[tardy citrus]

that's so simple and I love it

[signal oar]

I don’t really follow the lore all that closely but I have wondered for a while, how do hunters get their powers exactly? Some kind of ritual or deal with the devil? Or is dark sight some kind of technique taught by the hunter’s guild?

[tardy citrus]

I think some have the ability naturally but most get it by taking a shot the AHA gives out

Made outta a demon you get from a human sacrifice

[rotund ferry]

Is the new legendary hunter supposed to be a witch?

[signal oar]

Do you know which book entry states this?

[tardy citrus]

There’s a really good video by hazmatFTW on YouTube about it, it’s the most detailed description I’ve seen

(I got warned for “self promotion”? last time I posted one of his videos tho)

[signal oar]

Thanks a bunch

Sorry to hear that, good info though

[tardy citrus]

👍

[humble ridge]

Is it only me or Mama Maye is something of Elisabeth Moss as June Osborne from Hulu's The Handmaid's Tale? With some enlarged nose

[fast yacht]

do we know what hunter the Lord’s Prayer uppercut belongs to

[foggy sundial]

Probably one of the cristians

[lunar sky]

Me I was the Christian

[lunar sky]

So are we going to ignore the fact that THE MOON made a gun for someone

[tardy citrus]

Regular moon behaviour

[lunar sky]

Moon moment

[fast yacht]

you don’t have a gun from the moon?

😬

[lunar sky]

I do o

[high stone]

My brother said the exact same thing

“OK, Kevin, enjoy your new gun! See you tomorrow!”

[night sage]

Why are we judging the moon for being a gunsmith? It’s not like any of us could make one

[noble scarab]

the moon has also canonically fucked

[night sage]

It ees what it ees

Props to the person who fucked the moon

[neat juniper]

Tbf, there is suprising amount of stories where moon has had it's fun

What is it with humans and desire to reach for the moon

[jagged thistle]

what gun was made by the moon ?

i don't recall anything about that

[frank bobcat]

It was a chain pistol, a reward during the serpent moon event

[jagged thistle]

oh the Antosha ? Neat

it's funny to think that that gun was made by the litteral Moon

[tardy citrus]

What what?

[noble scarab]

There’s a short story posted where a detective was hired to find a lady’s husband, who’d been off fucking the moon in a river, but only now both he and the river are gone

[upbeat kiln]

Wam, bam, thank you, moon.

[tardy citrus]

The what

💀

Ohhhh

Wait

Idk

Not that the moon needs a gender

But like

Does it usually seem like a female?

[noble scarab]

The moon is traditionally female in a lot of mythologies

[tepid crescent]

are there western movies with settings similar to Hunt: Showdown?

[visual finch]

Not 100% similar but i'd suggest Bone Tomahawk

[tepid crescent]

I have seen that one already :) loved it indeed

I wish there were more like that

[tardy citrus]

Ig yeah

In the serpent moon lore the moon was female kinda right?

[foggy sundial]

Moonussy

I will see myself out

[noble scarab]

Yea

[tardy citrus]

Okie

[foggy sundial]

Imagine your husband cheats on you with the moon

[upbeat kiln]

What does she have that I don't?!

"Gravitational pull."

[icy brook]

The same can be said for your momma

[foggy sundial]

Your hunt explained videos have been giving me inspiration to write a whole ass script to talk about lore thank you for your videos anyways the moon is a homewrecker

[upbeat kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-shocked-how-dare-you-shock-shocking-gif-3536734

[upbeat kiln]

Nice! I would love to read that when you're done with it ❤️

[high stone]

If you’re looking for some books/stories that are 1890’s/Victorian, just “Bram Stoker’s Dracula” is good ‘guys gearing up to go fight a monster’ material… ‘Charles Dexter Ward’, ‘The Dunwich Horror’ and ‘Color out of Space’ by H.P. Lovecraft are all awesome and heavily influence “Hunt”, I think, although not always in 1890s.

If you want to see a good gunfight though the last fight in the 2007 “3:10 to Yuma” is pretty good 🙂

(The Night Acolyte’s gun “Blasted Heath” is named after a line from ‘Color out of Space’, I think. )

[rotund ferry]

I have a question

Why doesn’t the AHA just get artillery cannons and bomb the shit out of infected areas

Just have the hunters go in as cleanup crew every so often as opposed to the main ppl doing the killing

[night sage]

I think cuz they are trying to keep this as quiet as possible

[foggy sundial]

Sounds like a better said than done type thing

More so the cannons type not the keeping it quiet I meant

As the redneck would probably say “them city folks are gonna try and take my bayou way from me an these fine folks here!”

[tepid crescent]

@high stone I've seen 3:10 to Yuma and Colour out of space (the movie adaptation with Cage), both awesome

I just got a top 100 western movies and check them one by one at this stage hehe

[high stone]

Nice! If you get a chance to listen, lots of Lovecraft’s stories have audiobook versions on YouTube, they’re genuinely better than most movie/tv adaptations

It seems like the Victorian age aspects of Hunt get passed over a lot by fans, in favor of slanting it as 1870s-80s weird-west shootout, but there’s so much interesting, creepy stuff going on in the last few years of of the 19th century, I think it’s really worth focusing on that (especially for lore!)

[worldly mango]

Probably already found, but that's kinda cute

[lunar sky]

I have some theories on how the game could be set in the time right before the second coming of Christ but we can’t talk about religion so I’ll keep it to myself

[tardy citrus]

We can’t even talk about it in just lore context?

[untold blaze]

The Dunwich horror is a great story

[foggy sundial]

Blame it on the sculptor

[tardy citrus]

Sculptor 😠

Why tho?

[foggy sundial]

I bet there is some weird way that the sculptor could probably imitate a religious figure

[tardy citrus]

I though he meant can’t talk about religion on this server

[lunar sky]

In the rules it says not to talk about it I’m not sure about it in lore context but I don’t want to risk it

[tardy citrus]

💀

But I can talk bout the reverend and holy Mary n’stuff

[foggy sundial]

I was just fucking with you but there probably is a possibility that the sculptor would do that

[tardy citrus]

Ohh

[lunar sky]

Carcass gunrunner be like:

[tardy citrus]

True lore channel material

Carcass on the grindset

[night sage]

hes on the grind to actually save america

even though it may not agree with him

[tardy citrus]

The hero we need

[small abyss]

So why was the revenant brought back? Seems like if they went to that trouble he is special.

@noble scarab

[noble scarab]

We haven’t really been given a reason, and all of his lore points to him being entirely mediocre and unimportant. I’d guess they just started bringing people back and he was the first.

[small abyss]

Yes, I just wonder why they're bringing people back

[foggy sundial]

Let’s just say Lady Luck was on his side

He was a bad gambler

[fast yacht]

Is there lore to any of the legendary hunters outside of their little mini bio

[untold blaze]

Their weapons usually have more attached

[neat juniper]

And their dlc steam pages can provide somd

You also can find more history on a few of them in just general lore

[foggy sundial]

Funny thing I looked and looked for weapons around the era and I found a cane shotgun then found a cane rifle

Getting shot by a white shirt with a cane gun

[lunar sky]

Lady Luck: “you know you’ve been losing lately imma give you a freebie”

Or somthing

[tardy citrus]

I’d take being bad at cards for coming back to life

👍

[lunar sky]

Me too

[high stone]

Haha yeah! Lots of messed up weapons like that…I’m also thinking of all the cultural things that were happening that sort of separates the 1890s from the 1870s Wild West, like expanded understanding of electricity, germ theory becoming commonly accepted, viruses being discovered etc

Combine all that with the lonely southern gothic that creeps into gothic horror feeling and it seems like something really special

Or at least well done

(I should also say Gilded Age, since I think Victorian mostly refers to the British Empire at the time)

[waxen stone]

It's Delaneys.
It was one of the skins Crytek gave to streamer partners a long ass time ago.

Not sure it has any connection to an actual hunter in the ingame lore.

[jagged thistle]

can we see it ?

I don't remember seeing any partner exclusive skins anywhere in Hunt

[restive patrol]

they keep it lowkey, they only confirm it when they introduce the skin on their streams or talk about it on their socials.

https://www.facebook.com/huntshowdown/photos/a.184276432104309/875815626283716/?type=3 (Confirmation where they said which streamer Lord's Prayer belongs to)

[jagged thistle]

Interesting, but looking back I should've picked up on the Psychoghost reference with the Zorngeist Lebel (it litteraly means angry spirit in german)

[restive patrol]

https://youtu.be/7oz5jpdZWlw?t=5595

[restive patrol]

time stamped for the initial reveal

[restive patrol]

though Lord's Prayer is inspired by a TV show called Taboo, so you may find some other lore there to link it back to Hunt

[jagged thistle]

Nice ! Thank you

[high stone]

Taboo is awesome, I’ll also recommend it

Funny, the main character in Taboo is also named Delaney

[jagged thistle]

reference probably

to both the streamer and the show

[foggy sundial]

That’s quite taboo

👍 👍

[small abyss]

They made it for him?

Yeah looks like it

[waxen stone]

Yes, same with the greenish Lebel marksman skin for Psychoghost.
The silver martini henry riposte for Neenoh.

Im great at names btw

Think even the Redneck was for a streamer.
The griffon dolch precision for one.

Tooth and Claw - Neenoh
Spring Chicken - Geef
Kamacite Moon - Khalamity
Lords Pray - Lord James Delaney
The Sparchie - ArchieTV
And Redneck was for Padarius.

Wolfsmouth for Siegismund

[devout cedar]

Redneck wasnt for streamer, more like for Dennis, Lead Game Designer

[small abyss]

They leave out poor rachta

[tardy citrus]

The phantom was made for him

They just didn’t know it

[devout cedar]

[glossy falcon]

There is no Hunter made for any partner/streamer, only weapons and only for Crytek partners.

and only one each iirc

[rotund ferry]

Is there any role behind the thing that happened in the louisianna? Why did people become zombies

[noble scarab]

tldr a lovecraftian entity wants to take over the bayou

[rotund ferry]

Bruh

[high stone]

You’re right, his Twitter handle is “LordJamesD”, direct reference to “Lord James Delaney”, Tom Hardy’s character.

Also the “Black Coat”legendary hunter is basically just James Delaney in Taboo, if anyone missed it

[restive patrol]

I think its more of a reference to Johnny Depp in Deadman

[high stone]

Interesting! Could be a mashup, since Depp’s character and The Black Coat are both named William, (although Depp’s coat is brown). Tom Hardy’s character doesn’t have the full fur coat either, just the collar…but his character’s bio seems to more closely match The Black Coat’s bio.

Can’t find an image, but there’s a part in Taboo (when they’re moving the fake cholera wagon) where Hardy’s wearing a rag face mask too

Anyway, it’s a good show!

[rocky bloom]

lol your right again Rachta 🤣

[wanton owl]

You also have Failspawners poster in-game

https://www.twitch.tv/crytek/clip/MoralMushyWalrusPogChamp?lang=sv

[scenic crown]

Is it true that closing rifts is like a addiction for the hunters and that’s why they always come back

I heard about that

[rotund ferry]

Any lore behind devils advocate? Or revenant? His chest is literally opened

[tardy citrus]

Revenant was brought back to life by a powerful deity

[noble scarab]

Revenant was brought back by the Night of the Hunter cult, or potentially by Dr John and the voodoo folks. Devils advocate is mostly a reference to Krampus, and a guy called Hans von Trotha (spelling) or Hans von Trapp or the Anglicized version: Henry Trapp

[rotund ferry]

Thanks!

[sturdy parcel]

Q: how do the legendary hunters come back to life? or are they disguised as the legendary hunter?

[neat juniper]

Apparently canonically they never die
Unless stated otherwise
And when they do they stay dead, albeit also canonically

Technically speaking there is no explanation for game mechanics of multiple same people being in the same place at the same time with many of them dying

[spiral lynx]

I dont think we should take any gameplay as canon, from my experience with most games

Cutscenes are usually the best for that

Wait, im in wrong channel

[jagged thistle]

do we have any info / lore about Ochenkov ? I know there's a gun called the Ochenkov's Heart but I don't know if there is more on him

[wraith cove]

I think his wife is got duped on by mr chary if i recall

[upbeat kiln]

Mary Ochenkov was "cursed" by Mr. Chary and his rituals, forcing Mary, under the influence of the curse, to bring him what she treasured the most - her husband. She killed her husband, cut out his heart and delivered it to Mr. Chary.

[jagged thistle]

That's...dark for sure, did this happen during the winter event ?

And follow-up question, is Mr. Chary more of a scientist or a pure voodoo magic-man akin to the Night of the Hunter ?

He seems willing to help out hunters (dark tribute, the event contracts) so i'm wondering if he is purely evil or just in a kind of "grey morality"

[upbeat kiln]

I think everything Chary does, he does with the intention of it somehow helping him out further down the road

[jagged thistle]

So it's a "deal with the devil" kind of situation ? He helps us but it's really for his own sake / beliefs

[upbeat kiln]

Something like that probably, yeah.

[wraith cove]

Hes just throwing shit at the wall and if it turns out it actually helps a hunter its a win win

[small abyss]

I think hazmat is chary

[tardy citrus]

[upbeat kiln]

[noble scarab]

i mean we've never seen them in the same room

[high stone]

Any lore that you guys have seen that explains how Vincent Corsica becomes The Assassin?

[noble scarab]

presumably he was just a powerful occultist, given that he had his bug-powers well before the sculptor showed up

[high stone]

Hmmm

[icy brook]

I never realized how abnormal the dogs in cages really are

[neat juniper]

They just humgry

[tame jolt]

i wonder who grooms them

[lunar sky]

How I looked after my mom cut my hair fr

[foggy sundial]

Least flea ridden dog in the bayou

[icy brook]

Most normal Louisiana dog

[livid crypt]

So what's the deal with Chary being OK with just some blood? Like the dude feeds hearts to the ground but is satisfied with a few drops of blood?

[noble scarab]

It’s not our blood he’s harvesting, it’s our skills and experience

[livid crypt]

Oohhh, well that makes a lot of sense

[severe mulch]

Quick question for you bros, can't seem to find a straight answer on my own

Was the Butcher the first boss released, or Spider?

[tardy citrus]

Butcher and spider were out at the start of the game I believe?

[low radish]

Butcher and Spider were here from the start, fightable during the beta and such.

[atomic grotto]

will the chaos spread to the desert?

[small abyss]

I think the way its shaking out its definitely gonna spread. At least to new orleans I think. Beyond that we will see where the story takes us.

[tardy citrus]

Have the hunters really done anything to stop the spread?

Have Lawson, Stillwater, and DeSalle canonically had the bosses there slain?

[noble scarab]

Yes, many, many times, however the Scultpor just respawns them

but no the AHA hasn't stopped the spread at all, somewhat on purpose

[tardy citrus]

On purpose?

Do they gain anything from the bounties hunters bring them?

[noble scarab]

Depends on which group actually received the bounty. A lot of them use the power contained in the tokens, ie darksight for occult purposes, then I'd imagine some others are sold off to help fund the AHA. Chary probably uses some for shit own fucked up shit. When Huff was around he just wanted to see what would happen with his experiments if things were left unchecked

[tardy citrus]

Who can they be sold to?

Or for what reason would someone want one?

[noble scarab]

I'd just assume its independent buyers, occultists, maybe other branches of the AHA, or the voodoo community

those bounty tokens have more power in them than what the Hunters are able to achieve just in the field

or at least thats what is inferred

[foggy sundial]

Bounty tokens are like Chuck E cheese tokens

[tardy citrus]

?

[heady tree]

To the new potential Franchise Narrative Director... Good luck, you're going to need it.

[tardy citrus]

Wonder why the old one left?🤔

[rotund ferry]

What actually caused people to change into zombies / monsters? Was it some poison or virus ? Or what ? 🤔

[noble scarab]

It’s supernatural in origin, being spread by corrupted insects, as well as sometimes turning people who are too close to zones of corruption without protection

[high stone]

Yes…I’m kind of hoping they establish a new, consistent version of the lore that serves a good overall story, using stuff that works from what they have, and leaving out the other stuff that doesn’t. Lots of it seems to have been added piece by piece (when needed for new characters and weapons, etc.) without a lot of forethought

The McGowan twins storyline involving a giant supernatural snake and Lynch turning into a giant crow (or something?) didn’t seem to match the tone and style of all the awesome material the visual artists and sound designers have done so far

[noble scarab]

The stuff with Lynch fits fine, that part is even being written by a dime novelist, so it not exactly "canon" even in lore

Lynch herself being some kind of otherworldly entity could be assumed to be able to do that

but the current moon stuff is where they lost me a bit

[heady tree]

The Serpent Moon lore was super confusing for me and didn't match much of what I knew about the lore and even felt theatrically foreign to the rest of the game. The expectations for the Franchise Narrator are quite high, 12+yrs industry experience and AAA title work... part of me wonders if that's worth it.

[restive patrol]

agreed, the Mr. Chary shenenagins came out of left field, and kinda feel too "supernatural" as what I loved about the old lore, was how grounded the "magical" elements, were, like yea, there's demons and occult rituals, but they felt like they could be explained with a certain science in universe (ie alt dimension lovecraftian gods) or the powers hunters/occult users had were restricted or came at a great cost to themselves. With the new moon stuff, just feels too out there, with no buildup to it either, ie just the random fact the moon is alive now lmao.

[noble scarab]

Let’s not forget that the moon fucks now as well

[neat juniper]

Always was

[verbal swift]

I have to say this, because it's been in the game since the start.
Black Coat biography gives me an aneurism every time i read it.
What the turkey genitals is up with that.

[jagged thistle]

what do you mean ? I haven't read it in a while but I think it was about the twins or something

[tardy citrus]

He’s their dad right?

Then they kill him

[jagged thistle]

yeah

it's in Bad as They Seem I think

[foggy sundial]

The moon fucks

Absolutely

[jagged thistle]

Is there a reason the double action pistols are less accurate ? (other than a balance one). The weight of the double action mechanism shouldn't affect the handling that much, right ?

[noble scarab]

Those old pistols sometimes had heavy trigger draws

[jagged thistle]

oh

and that makes it less precise. Interesting, I didn't know that

[tardy citrus]

You could manually pull back the hammer tho so usually ur first shot was more accurate

[jagged thistle]

Only on the first shot ?

I tought you could do that for every shot

[simple carbon]

If you pull it back every time it'd just be like a single action

[tardy citrus]

You could but you would be sacrificing the speed of double action for accuracy

Would be cool if your hunter could ready the hammer for the first shot tho

[empty owl]

the black coat kills the twins' uncle and they killed him in revenge during bad as they seem, he's also apparently in league with the governor of new orleans

[verbal swift]

thats all fine and dandy, but that doesnt change the incredibly bad wording and spelling errors in the bio of the black coat.

[sinful warren]

wrong channel lol

[untold blaze]

Complain in feedback brah

This channel bout lore

[empty owl]

^

i was correcting them about the lore of the black coat

[verbal swift]

Ur not correcting anything. We were talking lore/bio of black coat, not the content. But primarily how bad its written.

[empty owl]

but i was just pointing out the fact that the black coat killed the twins’ uncle, not the fact that the lore bites doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense

[verbal swift]

Then ur not correcting anyone still, you are adding to the conversation.

[empty owl]

but i was correcting someone or at least from my point of view

i am insinuating that the black coat is not related to the twins in any capacity

[untold blaze]

And you where just critiquing the writers, which don’t add to the conversation in the slightest

[verbal swift]

And you are merely here to be a nuisance apparently. Heavy 'Uhm achktually' vibes dude. knock it off.

[untold blaze]

Hey, just pointing out that you being rude man

[visual finch]

Move on to the next discussion please.

[grizzled stream]

Who do y'all think "He" is? The "Sculpter" maybe?

[rotund ferry]

I like in the trailer the Devil's Advocate shoves Price Eye (their teammate)

[ocean linden]

I'm guessing Chary because they seem to have forgotten about the Sculptor

And Chary's been the antagonist of the last moon events

[rotund ferry]

What if chary is the sculptor just in human form trying to recruit hunters.

[grizzled stream]

All I know about Chary is that he tried creating strong weapons and that the ritual either killed people or made them bring something. Why do the hunters want to kill him again?

[ocean linden]

Because I think at this point he's harming more than helping?

I don't think Chary and the Sculptor are connected, Chary seems to be a guy or devilish thing interested in attaining more power under the guise of helping with the Bayou situation

[livid crypt]

Don't think Hunters want the monsters truly gone, they can't make money/power then. Just wanna contain the situation perhaps

[ocean linden]

Hunters have various motivations, some do actually want the Sculptor gone, others are in it just for the money and power, and then there’s the ones that it’s more a spiritual/religious thing

[bold tiger]

Definitely chary because he just gives us trash rewards

[high stone]

I think you’re right, I’ve always thought a lot of the hunters are just criminal opportunists…you’re on your own in all the abandoned and blighted areas, so there’s no law enforcement, and probably no witnesses

[empty owl]

i agree about chary, it could’ve been a ritual gone wrong and now whatever the hell he turned himself into is doing more damage rather than helping the hunters with combating the sculptor

for all we know, isaac powell definitely has a hand in this

or if we get more tinfoil-y, it could also be a piece of the moon considering that it looks round although the moon has been adressed as a “she” in past lore materials

[icy brook]

I have a hunch it’s an avatar of the sculptor, but if so that would be quite underwhelming

[high stone]

It does seem like Hunters that die in the bayou might be sacrifices for Chary, like a lottery system with sort-of-willing participants

I think Chary told the Viper he could sacrifice other snakes to keep his snake alive, Chary could be using Hunter deaths in the same way

For something

[earnest jungle]

Looks like we're getting a fuck mothering werewolf boss

[noble scarab]

or what/whoever it was that came out of Kingsnake

[restive patrol]

Idk man, might be a gator (they did tease one a little bit before the serpent moon event started + new event trailer has one distinct gator hiss at 0:18)

https://youtu.be/2Ss15BCjlI0?t=100

oh and there's an unused model for a gator-man hybrid thing from the old version of Hunt (Horrors of the Gilded Age), so would be a perfect opportunity to use it https://youtu.be/9MuKfi-FlKQ?t=43

[restive patrol]

mmhmm, you'll get bonked, Ik.

tho on a serious note, a. they should really up their server security if they're worried about that or b. do more communication/teasing

can't blame people for trying to find it/not listening, given how slow content comes

[high stone]

unclear

[tall vigil]

Do the main Hunters have an HQ? I know there are different factions at play in the Bayou, but whoever the main group is—I have to imagine they do.
Somewhere they can restock, purchase weapons, perform rituals or however Upgrade works in-canon.

I’d hazard it’d be neat to see some sorta background for the main Bounty Hunt mode, like your Hunter team is at base gearing up for the mission, but I dunno if I’d put that down as a real suggestion.

Really I just think it’d be nice to know all the Hunters on your roster have somewhere to go after extraction. Somewhere they can take a load off, reload, and recharge before confronting the horrors again.

Some place where that professor guy (Something Black?) is tucked away in some alcove trying to write things down as best he can and someone smokes near the armory.
Somewhere with a big Nitro Express mounted above the fireplace and a stable for the horses that pull the armored stagecoach.

[jagged thistle]

So is everyone against Mr. Chary or not ? I've read the Serpent Moon lore, and it seems that only the Viper, Hail Mary, and Witch Hunter seem to be willing to help Kevin. The Night Seer seems to even be allied with Chary or be bewitched by him in some way. Do we have any info on that ?

[noble scarab]

Elwood Finch runs a small town/outpost where all Hunters have to go to trade in the bounty. It’s a neutral zone where the various factions can go to trade or sell gear or whatever

[noble scarab]

The average Hunter seems to not know that he’s evil, they just get told he’s their new boss, and hey, here’s some free shit in exchange for signing this contract

Most of the legendary Hunters aren’t involved or even trust Chary

Until they meet our boy Kev

[thick socket]

Kev?

[jagged thistle]

Kevin Linus, the "protagonist" of the recent event's lore

[lunar sky]

They just like me fr

[tall vigil]

Chary’s the guy who makes you slit your hand after the tutorial, right..?

[worn escarp]

Yes I believe so

[tall vigil]

Does anything ever come of that?

[edgy aspen]

Chary offers you the ability or option to recover something you've lost, but to do so, you need to sacrifice something you love. The Chary knife screen is a catchall for whatever it is you as a hunter are willi g to make a deal with Chary. The rewards are usabme in game stuff. The Traitor moon lore does a good job of describing what Kevin Linus observed. Hazmat has a great video summarizing this.

What comes of the deals Hunters make with Chary, some die it seems.

[grizzled stream]

Recently watched his whole lore summary to catch up. Everything jumping around everywhere.

[rotund ferry]

I've been noticing gator skulls more in random locations,I know don't know if it means anything but before scrapbeak was released there where just randomly dead birds on the map.

[edgy aspen]

Are there still dead birds? I started after Scrapbeak, and guess I haven't noticed any dead birds. Nor have I noticed gator skulls.

[jagged thistle]

I think there are still dead birds, but I don't know about the gator skulls

[worn bridge]

Is the flashbomb just a magnesium strip? I didnt look at the description so im just guessing

[edgy aspen]

Or phosphorous.

[atomic grotto]

Is the choke bomb made out of magic?

[upbeat kiln]

It's made out of small fragments of my voice.

[atomic grotto]

That is why choke bombs are so good I get it now 🙂

[upbeat kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-dean-winchester-oh-you-gif-22671182

[tall vigil]

Oh no way, it’s Hazmat! I was watching his videos about the bosses just the other day! 😄

[grizzled stream]

I recently binged the whole lore playlist. And the game hits differently after knowing the stories behind the monsters.

[noble scarab]

The Flash bomb is a mercury based light mixed with a small explosive charge

[noble scarab]

Choke bombs probably contain pure Co2 or another heavier gas or some form of asbestos

[grizzled stream]

Waxed dynamite still works tho. Maybe it's moisture that's putting out the fuse?

[icy brook]

The flashbomb might be some kind of modified flash bulb from a tintype camera

[high stone]

…probably not asbestos. I think it’s supposed to be some heavier inert gas or something like CO2, like you said

[high stone]

“Waxed” might be slang, or actually wax dipped…could be a nitrocellulose lacquer on the fuse, but might also be something like an actual thermite fuse, since the wax dynamite burns underwater

(thermite was ‘discovered’ in 1893 too!)

[tardy citrus]

Could be kinda an obscure question but what are wolfshead arsenal and Maw battery?

Wolfshead stores weapons I think

Are they for the military?

And what was maw battery for?

[neat juniper]

Get a room you two

[atomic grotto]

Sounds like someone is JelllYYY

Yeah i made sure to like all of hazmats videos

[noble scarab]

All of those were military related, left over from the civil war

[jagged thistle]

Are medium ammo double-actions viable ? Like would it technically be possible to have one fit the game's "accurate" setting ?

[tardy citrus]

Right, I forgot about the civil war😦

Bolden seems like it could fit that purpose too

[tardy citrus]

I found the Remington 1890 new model army which seems like it would be medium ammo?

.44 cal Winchester?

I’m not sure how hunt classifies cal into ammo sizes

[verbal swift]

is 'The Kid' skin based on the character billy the kid, or another character from history? Me and my friends are in a discussion. one side says its billy the other says its a different name that they cant remember.
Anyone know what the skin is modeled after?

[high stone]

I guessed some of it is Billy the kid, I think it could also be a reference to “the kid” protagonist in Cormac McCarthy’s Blood Meridian…who knows

(I think there are other BM references in Hunt, like the name Glanton , but it’s been a long time since I’ve read it, and there are also historical Glantons, like John Joel Glanton.)

There might even be a little bit of Marty Mcfly from BTTF3 in The Kid’s design

[simple carbon]

Compact ammo winfields fire .44-40
However the scottfield fires .45 s&w

Since winfield=Winchester in hunt I would imagine it qould be compact being the same brand but it could go either way

[tardy citrus]

Oh

Yeah probably then

I’m really not sure what counts as medium ammo

Centennial rounds seem like they could possibly be compact too then?

Idk

They can go to .45 tho so maybe not

[noble scarab]

Turncoat is a blatant blood meridian reference iirc

[simple carbon]

Centennial is .45-70 iirc it might not be that much bigger in diameter however it holds a little more than double the gun powder

[high stone]

Also funny they’re called a ‘medium’ when you see how big a .45-70 actually is, haha

[icy brook]

I think the centennial in game fires a 40-60 cartridge, which makes sense because the case seen in the reloading animation is straight walled

[high stone]

Ah! Ok

[icy brook]

This would also place it below 45-70 which Crytek considers as long

[high stone]

Makes more sense

How’s the straight walled different from the .45-70 cartridge?

[icy brook]

I hope that helps, Crytek is a little arbitrary in their cartridge classes so things are a bit width washy lol

So 40-60 and 40-65 can be made from a 45-70 case, but the necks are reduced to 40 caliber and the case length is shortened

So both are more or less scaled down 45-70 cases

[tall vigil]

Hey, I’m at work so can’t talk long, but I wanna open the floor to something fun. What bosses could beat other bosses?

Butcher wipes Assassin, no contest. Fire, heavy melee attacks, Assassin is going down.

Scrapbeak I think can shut down Spider with its barbed wire, cut off its ability to move and scuttle around. Plus Scrap’s got its backpack, and I feel like Spider likes to attack from behind and odd angles. However, Scrap doesn’t have much in the way of range outside of more barbed wire bombs, so I feel like Spider would die from blood loss than any attack Scrap could do.

Butcher and Spider would be interesting. Butcher, again: fire, heavy melee, not easily knocked down, so that’s Spider’s jump attack out, and Butcher’s got a surprisingly heavy fireball move.
Spider’s got poison though, and greater movement, so Butcher would struggle to keep up. It’d be if Butcher could kill Spider before the poison wins out.

And Spider wipes Assassin. Spiders beat bugs.

Butcher I feel could take Scrapbeak, just through overwhelming force. No tricks, no special movement, just two dudes slugging it out, and Butcher swings heavier than Scrap.

All in all I think Butcher and Spider are evenly matched, with Scrap in second, and Assassin last.

And then like, a Meathead. A pack of Hellhounds. A Hive on a difficult to see rooftop. And then us.

[edgy aspen]

Spider vs Assassin, hard to say.
Assassin I feel would take out Scrapbeak. Just pucnturing scrapbeak, while the bugs swarm through the wire.
Scrapbeak beats Spider via Wire, unless they fight in a high cielinged compound where Spider can run up and over the wires.
Butcher would destroy Assassin all day.
Now Butcher vs Scrapbeak, hmmm, I'd give the edge to Butcher because he don't care about drops from Scrapbeak.

[tall vigil]

That’s true, Assassin wouldn’t care about the wire, and that’s Scrapbeak’s main thing. Assassin takes Scrap.

Is Assassin weak to poison? I feel like they are. All the more reason to give the win to Spider.

[restive patrol]

yes, there were a ton during the period. The Colt Thunderer in .41 Colt, Webley Mk 4 Revolvers in 4.55 Webley, and Howdah Pistols (Which are basically da's, tho they're basically an enlarged derringer). In fact, they were really popular with Old West gunfighters and urban environments. Also we already kinda have one in game (the Spitfire), and given how it seems to be relatively balanced, I think there's room for one or two to add.

[primal jolt]

im no lore expert, but~~ i would assume the scrapbeak wipes the floor with other bosses~~ ok i looked at the lore and assassin is overpowered, check below

1. it's the most intelligent boss- isn't it just a crazy human while the others are full on monsters?
2. it's the only one with some sort of protection in the form of its backpack.
   it's hard to gauge the effectiveness of its ranged option in comparison to other bosses ranged options (whats the practical difference between throwing fire vs concertina vs knives vs poison?), so it's best to just let these options cancel eachother out
   as for melee options, the scrapbeak is no slouch, yes the butcher seems physically larger but the scrapbeak is pretty big itself and the other two advantages it has put it ahead of the butcher
   the assassin doesn't seem intelligent enough to use its overpowered invincibility to great effect, so the scrapbeak can likely beat it eventually

and the spider is just lame, i imagine any of the other bosses would beat it

the spiders main advantage is that other bosses are weak to poison and the spider definitely has a mobility advantage, but again the spider doesn't seem intelligent enough to bother using these advantages- piss it off and it will run towards you

[tame jolt]

butcher sets them on fire

[noble scarab]

If we look at only in-game weaknesses:
Butcher: poison, slashing/rending
Scrapbeak: poison, piercing, fire (kinda)
Spider: blunt, fire
Assassin: blunt, fire, poison

I’d say scrapbeak has the edge in most cases, given that he can deal out the appreciate damage type to the other bosses in the forms of his melee weapons.

Assassin may be able to beat scrapbeak due to his piercing and wall clinging

[primal jolt]

ok i just looked at the lore of the scrapbeak and assassin and i'm fairly confident the assassin would actually beat all bosses fairly handily

it's not stupid, in fact it appears to have the memories of a human who had the same powers it currently has

and the description of its fights imply it's quite proficient at using its invulnerability to great effect

in which case, its invulnerability is really OP

unless you have a gun, which none of the bosses do, it's unlikely any of them would be able to hit the assassin before it guts them with its bug knives

[tall vigil]

Nahhh, I gotta give Butcher the edge over Assassin. Soon as you set it alight, the thing turns tail and runs, and setting things on fire is Butcher’s favorite thing to do. Plus once it stands still, all Butcher needs to do is hit it a few times—Butcher hits hard!

[primal jolt]

butcher needs to succeed in setting the assassin on fire

very difficult to do when the butcher is the monstrous creation of a madman (ie very stupid) and the assassin is, well, basically a trained assassin

but you're right, the butcher can probably 3/10 the assassin with some lucky fire tosses

its worth noting the butcher is also weak to being bled, which is exactly what the assassin does

[high stone]

I didn’t know that, I’ll have to try it out

[fallen sequoia]

Next boss give it a gun?

[high stone]

Next boss could be Kev’s moon gun 🌙 🔫

[lavish mist]

next boss ur mum

[jagged thistle]

isn't that gun the Conversion Chain from serpent moon ?

[high stone]

Yeah you’re probably right

[potent merlin]

Butcher just needs to set the assassin and/or the place they're in to the ground tbh

set on fire

wtf happened in my head there

[primal jolt]

Butcher would never hit the assassin, and the assassin is more than capable of surviving outside based on the manuscripts

[potent merlin]

I mean that's the thing, the Butcher is practically just a pincushion that is throwing fire around

[primal jolt]

Yes, assassin is weak to fire. Butcher is weak to bleed, which assassin does. In game weaknesses cancel each other out

[potent merlin]

always found that a bit weird how a mass of dead flesh is weak to bleed

[primal jolt]

Ever hear the old phrase bled like a stuck pig 🥰

[noble scarab]

It’s not exactly bleed hes weak to, it’s rending, which causes bleed in Hunters. In game bosses specifically take less damage from dumdum round or flechette

[potent merlin]

yeah. but he aint like... Babe the Pig. He is a massive corpse with a pig head attached to it

[earnest jungle]

Lore wise the spider exists to keep the other monster’s in check. By killing and consuming whatever the Sculptor loses control of.

Also you have to remember the reason the bosses are in compounds is they sense the presence of Hunters and are trying to hide from them

[balmy matrix]

Got a question for the history buffs. The winfield 1886 uses compact ammo, what calibur/cartridge is this ammo modeled after or is it fictional?

I'm asking because its definitely not .45-70 GVT.

[restive patrol]

what? the 1886 doesn't use compact ammo, it was the first winchester that was able to chamber large bore rifle rounds. If you're talking about the 1876, it used an intermediate round, .45-60, and is correctly modeled as such ingame

[balmy matrix]

Oh my god I'm an idiot. I want to know about the 73, but I've been doing research on the 86 and that's why I'm so confused.

[restive patrol]

okay, the 73 uses a pistol caliber, .44-40, which is a derivative of the .44 Rimfire Henry Cartridge, the predecessor cartridge used in the Henry Rifles and 1866 Winchesters (The Conversion pistol is chambered in that caliber, and correctly modeled)

[balmy matrix]

And everything makes sense now!

[tall vigil]

What material are beehives made from? I just now realized that the stuff coming outta the Armored reminds me of it. Also the Sculptor’s apparent fondness for insects, with the Hives, the Meathead leeches, the beetles, the cockroaches of the Assassin—

[high stone]

I kind of thought the Sculptor/ bad actors/ whoever have set up a scheme where those wasps and their hives are used to carry a pathogen or parasite and incubate bodies, etc. while a change occurs or they re-animate. You can find a lot of hived up corpses around the maps - the small sunken house in the river in Arden Parish is a good example….but anyway, I’m pretty sure you’re right, the stuff covering the Armored is like Paper Wasp nest material - the exact same material the wasps use to hive-up corpses and make giant nests in Hunt.

[tall vigil]

Wasps, thank you! Not bees, wasps. My bad.

[high stone]

Oh haha, no worries! Looks like that nest stuff is just chewed up wood pulp formed into a layer…so yeah it would probably be pretty good protection with a lot of thicker layers

[rotund ferry]

Assassin because he's such a pain to kill. Spider because he has poison and all bosses aside from it, are weak to poison. It spits out poison.

[tall vigil]

I think Spider takes the edge against Butcher.
Spider v. Scrapbeak would be about Scrapbeak’s ability to deny Spider the chance to scuttle away and reposition with his barbed wire.
Spider v. Assassin would be interesting since they’re both pretty mobile, but Spider takes the edge in tankiness and poison.

Butcher v. Assassin, Butcher wins. Sets Assassin on fire and does heavy melee damage. Easy.
Butcher v. Scrapbeak, I don’t think Butcher would care about Scrap’s wire, but that could play to Scrap’s advantage. Death by a thousand cuts. If Butcher can get his hands on Scrap though, it’s over.

Scrapbeak v. Assassin, I think Assassin takes it. A swarm of bugs can just scuttle over the wire, and aside from his backpack, Scrap has little in the way of defense. Neither of them like fire, so that’s out, and I think Assassin can take it with bleed.

What we really need now is some YouTuber to pit all them together, like those Dark Souls boss battles.

[tribal frigate]

Very interesting. If it hasn't already been posted here, would roles do the other bosses fulfill?

[earnest jungle]

The Assassin is exactly what it says in the tin, the scalpel to the butcher’s hammer, and the Scrapbeak is a sapper of some kind

[grizzled stream]

Scrapbeak might have the edge over the assassin if he can find a poison bomb in his scavenged goods.

[tall vigil]

Does he drop poison bombs??

[untold blaze]

Nope

But he does drop tool box’s sometimes, which can contain poison bombs I think

[neat juniper]

In my opinion the tier list in-lore goes - spider>assassin>butcher>scrapbeak

Now hear me out why

Spider has the edge over everyone else just for the sake of having ranged poison spit and ability to wall walk

Now of course we can assume that spider will make stupid mistake and go head to head with butcher in close combat, but if we include stupid mistakes in calculations then everyone can win against everyone

Assassin can clearly be many bugs at once, and butcher can't do much in fire damage department
Like of course, he can do big slow fireball or fire explosion on himself, but yet again, i won't assume assassin is dumb enough to just go and take it on without scurrying around all the way

So, assassin can just spam his knife throw from afar, maybe putting some occasional bugs into butcher to bite him away untill they are burned in butcher's hellfire

Same goes to scrapbeak, who can't do absolutely anything to assassin, since no area attacks

Spider counters assassin because bugs get absolutely evaporated by poison spit cloud, spider is mobile enough to evade dagger throws and you get what i am onto here

Butcher will demolish scrapbeak in head to head while scrapbeak with enough preptime will demolish butcher

In fact i believe scrapbeak with enough preptime may get one or three occasional wins on spider even

But not assassin

[rotund ferry]

What is the time frame between the three maps in terms of lore? Did the sculptor attack all three at once? Was it over the course of a few years? If so, then 1895 isn't the actual time period but when it first started. Are all three regions in Louisiana?

[noble scarab]

All three maps are supposed to be within Louisiana, though Desalle is uncharacteristic of the area. The lore is a bit strange regarding dates and stuff, however Desalle is thought to be the place where the infection began, and it spread from there.

[atomic grotto]

wrong on so many levels 😉

scapbeak >> then any others

[neat juniper]

Outrageous
Give me your reasoning

Crows = cool doesn't count as one

'scrapbeak was human' also doesn't work because everyone there except for butcher was human
And spider was even multiple

[desert depot]

I don't think assassin was ever human

Since he turns into bugs an all

[neat juniper]

Nono, he was, that's a lore

He was the researcher's friend, even
Taught him how to hoont before completely assassinationating

Pretty wild stuff

[desert depot]

Ah my bad it just seemed like he wasn't due to the whole splitting and bugs and stuff

And the document kinda pointed to that as well at least for me

[neat juniper]

Fair point, in my head it was more like he was a human and then a hunter, then first met researcher, befriended, got corrupted with bugs, not completely lost mind, taught researcher, and begone

[desert depot]

From what I though it seemed like he was a demon that manifested to cause chaos outside the bayou and to help destabilize the surrounding area for the corruption to spread

[neat juniper]

Everything is possible

Let's wait for expert's opinion

[desert depot]

True

[icy brook]

He was a man once, his name was Vincent

[neat juniper]

Ma man's named hunt archaeologist
That's about as expert as we can go

I approve

[tall vigil]

I’ve seen Hazmat’s videos, but I wasn’t sure how much was genuine canon and how much was really well-done fan theory. I ain’t unlocked all the boss entries, so—can anyone confirm?

[noble scarab]

Yea, Vincent was a man, he presumably was a powerful occultist and Hunter. He’s recorded as being able to turn into bugs in 1890, well before the Sculptor officially showed up. It’s likely he was corrupted or converted into the Sculptors service sometime in those years

[upbeat kiln]

I tried to keep it as cannon as possible - I've only made assumptions based on what was provided in details by the devs. (And history, of course)

[tall vigil]

Sweet! Either way, your videos are very well done, with I think the Butcher being my favorite.

[tall vigil]

Interesting! Do we know how long the AHA or similar groups have been around? Do we have records of earlier incidents?

[upbeat kiln]

Thank you ❤️ Glad to hear that

[restive patrol]

they've been around for a long time, likely back to when some of the first nations were founded, with some similar groups even further back (ie the Sinners, a Muslim, Middle-Eastern group). There's mentions of a "Poltergist" Incident in the Louisiana Handbook (tho how much of that is canon, we don't know), a Cascade Mountains incident that was dealt with by the Natives, China has dealt with Nian demons for a while, which appear during the Lunar New Year, Djinns are mentioned in one of the weapon masteries, forgot which one. Oh, thunderbirds (the supernatural giant birds from Native American legend), exist as stated in the Crown & King 5 Mastery.

[primal jolt]

Are there any Latino hunters?

[restive patrol]

The Rat, Sofia, Llorna's Heir

[primal jolt]

Thank ya 🥰

[upbeat kiln]

The lore behind the Hive is just so good. It might be the part of the Hunt lore that I have read the most. I keep going back to it. It's just so dark and terrifying.

Very well written :))

[cold idol]

I belive the correct term in latinx

[nimble halo]

No, that is not correct
Source: conventional Spanish

[bold tiger]

There are no latino hunters only latina

[edgy aspen]

Oh wow. Yeah, there are no banditos.

Only the Kid is wearing a sarape.

[icy brook]

No vaqueros either

[primal jolt]

Yea I wanted my Mexican gunslinger with a cool moustache :/

[fair pecan]

Bandito with sombrero would look pretty fucking cool

[bold tiger]

Want them as new tier 1 2 and 3 hunters

[quartz linden]

If I want to get started in the lore, is there a good youtube I can watch?

[random lava]

Sounds like trickshooter to me

[tardy citrus]

HazmatFTW

Watch all his lore videos and you’ll go from hardly any knowledge to nearly knowing everything about the main story and all the monsters

[neat juniper]

^i support this message

[plain zenith]

@random lava I thought he was inspired by Buffalo Bill. He wasn't mexican was he?

[random lava]

I don't know, I only make videos

[neat juniper]

Make a video about trickshooter then

Or i'll gorb all over you

Maybe I won't

I am still learning powers of gorb

[jagged thistle]

Ascend ? Ascend with gorb ?

[neat juniper]

There is multiple page lore on gorb

But i will not elaborate any further, i am legally prohibited to

[tall vigil]

He seems to be a mix of Buffalo Bill and Annie Oakley if he’s both a trick shooter and a Wild West entertainer. Neither were Mexican, least to my knowledge, but Mexican cowboys deserve some love too!
In fact, the popular image of a “cowboy” is supposed to come from the Mexican “vaquero”! They had their own culture, customs, and methods of horsemanship that were passed on to the settlers who moved out West.

[tall vigil]

Hey, this is less a lore question, but I was looking over Legendary Hunters and came across the Bone Doctor. First off, he looks rad as Hell, but second off, does anyone know anything about Louisiana Voodoo? I really only know a cursory bit about the Loa, not anything about customs or traditions and whatnot.

[upbeat kiln]

@earnest jungle might be your go-to source here? 😄

[earnest jungle]

The Bone Doctor was a real historical figure “Doctor John” Jean Montanée was an active member of the New Orleans Voodoo Community.

New Orleans Voodoo of this period was distinct from modern Haitian Voodou there was a greater emphasis placed on ancestor worship and saints than in contemporary Haitian Voodou.

Free Women of Color such as Madame Marie Laveau dominated the religious hierarchy of the New Orleans Voodoo community.

Voodoo and Hoodoo both were deeply linked to the experiences of enslaved Africans in southern Louisiana. Madam Laveau made charms to help Runaway Slaves escape to freedom.