feedback-discussion

[tardy rapids]

Well sorry chief you ain't playing this game with 13 year old hardware.

That's console not pc

[robust moth]

yeah because the devs dont want to

?

[tardy rapids]

Console is the more affordable option for gaming

[robust moth]

https://tenor.com/view/playstation-ps5-ps5-pro-gif-15310070982219315598

[sleek light]

why can't AVX and AVX 2.0 be put together or have the ability to be disabled and/or enabled

[wary girder]

you would have to make two builds avaliable for the people, they could do with the beta access option in steam

[fallen scroll]

It would be possible like other games but it would take twice the work

[tardy rapids]

Because it was announced ages ago that the game would be upgrading specs

[wary girder]

but its more effort to maintain both

[robust moth]

poor crytek isnt getting paid enough to support both

[wary girder]

and no other games do this

[tardy rapids]

Yeah that's how game development works

[fallen scroll]

So it's a decision purely for the sake of money.

[wary girder]

yeah hey lets main different build of the game for 0.1% people

that dont even buy dlcs to support us

perfect business

[robust moth]

say that again?

[wary girder]

you have to understand Crytek is company, Crytek has limited money

[robust moth]

also a lot of money spent in blood bonds?

[wary girder]

understand 0.1% is not good enough, not worht enough to support

thank you

[robust moth]

nope 10%

which is a considerable ammount

[wary girder]

it would cost way more than they would make from it

kapito?

simple math

[tardy rapids]

Wait wait

[wary girder]

where did you get the 10% liar?

[robust moth]

simple math would just looking at steamcharts

but you couldnt do that

[wary girder]

ah so all of them, are because of avx2?

[robust moth]

cant even hit 30K

[wary girder]

I see

you re so smart

[robust moth]

perhaps

[wary girder]

omg i didnt realize /s

done here, enjoy

[robust moth]

me and thousands of folks cant play because of it

[wary girder]

0.1

[tardy rapids]

You bought that many dlcs which is the equivalent of 30$ which including with selling your current cpu you could net 70$ and save up for a better cpu...?

[robust moth]

you've said that many times but yet here you are

to buy a newer cpu i would need a lot more than that

and i bought that over time

[tardy rapids]

Not one within 5 years

That supports av2

[wary girder]

13 years old cpu..

[robust moth]

a cpu would need much more than that

[wary girder]

wont be supported

[robust moth]

not only cpu but motherboard and ram

[wary girder]

not worth it to the companies

[sleek light]

I have a dual CPU motherboard that runs e5 2670 CPUs I use it for gaming and to learn unreal engine but I've been only playing hun showdown and no other games and it sucks that the AVX 2.0 bricks the game for me and the computer I have is just fine even for games coming out of this year and even next year and I get that I need to upgrade but at the same time I'm a bit of a hoarder I want to use my things until I can't use them no more but I guess with the computer I'm going to have to use it and then sell it to get a new one which will take a while and will suck no hun showdown for a while

[robust moth]

my local currency would need at least 1600 hard cash outright to get a kit good enough

and the dlcs were at maximum 20-30bucks at a time

[deep finch]

hunt had a free weekend in august btw

[wary girder]

your cpu released 2012 too

13 years old

[robust moth]

yet it ran the game perfectly

until now

[sleek light]

I'll admit it is old but it's more than enough for what I do

[robust moth]

just like mine

[wary girder]

also its server cpu, doesnt matter much but it has different support cycles

[fallen scroll]

You can't care less. Be happy that things are going well for you. We think it's stupid that it doesn't work anymore and that's good. But this senseless defense from a company that doesn't pay you doesn't make it any better for those of us affected and only fuels the fire.

[tardy rapids]

Broski that is a decent cpu and is 79$

[robust moth]

in my currency

[tardy rapids]

If you afforded those 5 dlcs

[wary girder]

i just use logic and facts

[robust moth]

americans cant really think that other countries exist

[wary girder]

when Crytek does something bad I will complain

[tardy rapids]

And sold your cpu you could easily have enough for that cpu

[wary girder]

when they do something good I will say its good

[fallen scroll]

no, you're causing trouble

[robust moth]

my cpu is worth 10 to 15 bucks

[lucid flower]

Even more limited money now that they took the game play from us. Like I said, my old 4 Ghz 8 core CPU ran the game with no problems at all. Maybe they can feel good about me spending $ on DLC and stealing my unspent blood bond account that I payed for.

[tardy rapids]

Which country's currency

[robust moth]

in my currency 250

[wary girder]

i found your cpu for 2 eur and 10 of them for 10 eur

[robust moth]

brazil, brazilian real

its funny how i got called selfish several times

[wary girder]

yes, 0.1% stopping innovation is selfish act

[robust moth]

but im the one advocating so more people can play the game

again, 10 year old tech is not innovative

and not needed

[wary girder]

then why do you have problem?

get cpu with avx2

[robust moth]

because its not needed?

[wary girder]

obviously it is, your game doesnt run now

[tardy rapids]

It is.

[wary girder]

you see

you forgot? ran out of memory?

[robust moth]

its not, the game ran well before

[lucid flower]

Blocked. I have no time for trolling.

[wary girder]

E5-2670 was released 2012 and was planneds to be discontinued at 2015

they told everyone

[robust moth]

@lucid flower this guy is not trolling, he literally thinks that way

[fallen scroll]

You're only here because you're bored and you enjoy annoying people who can't play. You even pinged me in the Discord forums

[robust moth]

its actually sad

[wary girder]

i am not guy, I am girl

[tardy rapids]

If you bought the game in brazil

[wary girder]

respect my pronouns, okay?

[tardy rapids]

And wonder why you can't afford the current rate of games

[wary girder]

i pinged you to explain to you why

you wrote in the feedback yourself

i responded to your complain

[robust moth]

i call my female friends dude, guy, bro and they dont complain

[wary girder]

so you can understand why is it that way

[robust moth]

im used to that

sorry if i offend you

[wary girder]

well i dont like that

[robust moth]

i bought it on sale

[fallen scroll]

no to be annoying. I didn't ask you to explain anything to me, Karen

[tardy rapids]

Apologies but your economy is not gonna let you get those type of products

Unless you get an overseas job

[sleek light]

for perspective upgrading the computer it feels like a waste because you have a computer that is 100% fine can run games even coming out in the near future just fine and you're going to get a new PC just to run one game and those parts you replaced are just going to be wasted even though you had the chance to use them for much longer

[robust moth]

that's why i advocate to companies listening to people

and that's why im being vocal about this

it wasnt needed

[wary girder]

it was needed, people want more fps

[robust moth]

defending them only gatekeeps people, and makes companies tone deaf to stuff

[wary girder]

there was obvious performance issues with 1896 release, they optimized it

its much better now thanksl to avx2 and such

[fallen scroll]

yes, I left my feedback for crytek not to hear your opinion.

[robust moth]

nah my game ran better when 1896 dropped

[wary girder]

then stop responding to me

if you dont care abotu me

simple enough, right?

[robust moth]

before i got 50-60

after 1896 fps unlocked it got to 80fps

[sleek light]

how much more better is it are there test videos or something I am curious

[wary girder]

there is no official testing of that that public, crytek doesnt share all their information

[tardy rapids]

Stable 200 fps for me

[wary girder]

for me it runs much better

got like 40 fps bonus

stutters stopped

and more

[fallen scroll]

I agree with you, Karen

[robust moth]

and then people complain that AAA gaming is doomed

[deep finch]

for me frame times are much more consistent. i cap my frames to 120 though.

[wary girder]

exaclty, the frame times are 10 times better

[robust moth]

defending just because they got few frames more

[wary girder]

sorry, you are not the only one playing this game and you are in the minority

[robust moth]

we dont need to have this minority

just leave that requirement out

[wary girder]

LMAO

[robust moth]

if my game ran well enough

your game ran better

win win

[tardy rapids]

If it boosts my fps by 60 we are keeping it

[robust moth]

now your game has a bit more fps

which could be done by improving other aspects

[wary girder]

"bit"

[robust moth]

for everyone

but they decided the easy way

and crippling a tenth of their fanbase

[wary girder]

get cpu thats not 13 years old but 10 years old

they cost same on ebay

its not tenth, stop lying

literal liar here

[robust moth]

numbers dont lie

[wary girder]

doesnt say anything

could be for any reasons

[robust moth]

do you have two eyes?

[wary girder]

show me where it shows avx2

[tardy rapids]

Broski

[robust moth]

last 30 days

[tardy rapids]

Those numbers were from the free weekend

[robust moth]

what happened last 30 days?

[wary girder]

people hate a lot of stuff, people dont play games for a lot of reasons

not SINGLE ONE THATS YOURS

[robust moth]

do you guys dont know how use percentages?

lemme cross reference to older numbers

[deep finch]

mid august had a free weekend

[robust moth]

before the free weekend

[wary girder]

2.4%

700 people

potentially

and i bet its for different reasons mostly

Thank you and bye

[robust moth]

averages on 30'ish

[tardy rapids]

That percentage takes into account the free weekend

Look at the dates

[robust moth]

comparing to older

see

average of 30k players

its 29 now

[wary girder]

you are liar, hiding the percentage that shows the current number

[tardy rapids]

Also hunt has always fluctuated between 10k to 30k

[robust moth]

and its just the release

[wary girder]

complete troll

[wary girder]

exactly

[tardy rapids]

The game lost less than a 1000.

[robust moth]

yeah until now

lets see in a few weeks

[tardy rapids]

No literally now

[wary girder]

the update with avx2 was released in last 30 days

[robust moth]

yeah

[tardy rapids]

Even at the lowest point of 10000 at 2 am on a monday

[robust moth]

and there's the event going on

[tardy rapids]

It will be around 9300 people

[robust moth]

a lot of people are playing it

[tardy rapids]

From the average of 9800 before

[robust moth]

once it all fizzles down

[wary girder]

your numbers prove you wrong

get out

[robust moth]

these numbers will be worse

[wary girder]

your mental health will get worse if you continue this way

[tardy rapids]

I'm sure it'll be worse by roughly 1000.

Or less

[wary girder]

i go play hunt with my 40 more fps

[tardy rapids]

So be it

More people come during events

[robust moth]

@tardy rapids are you sure hunt fluctuates down to 10k?

[tardy rapids]

And then leave games playerbase will not change

[tardy rapids]

Yes

It says 11k right there in 2023

[robust moth]

then show there on the charts a SINGLE 10K playerbase

monthly is not daily

[wary girder]

just, players always fluctuate, based on seasons, work days

and all

you are absolutely delusional, i am sorry

[tardy rapids]

You want 10k daily?

Ok I'll ping you at 2 am

I'm serious

[robust moth]

where?

[tardy rapids]

See you in 7 and a half hours

Here

It'll be at 9.8 to 11k

[robust moth]

im talking about peak

[tardy rapids]

Since it's a weekend

[robust moth]

current players arent what im talking about

or average

im talking about the best possible outcome

since we can see a large ammount of players

[wary girder]

Last 30 days    29,664    -734    -2.4%    -    -    -
September 2024    30,398    -29,726    -49.4%    

difference is 700 people

could be for any kind of reasons

not everything turns around you

[tardy rapids]

My dude even at peak we'd be losing a small percentage

The average gpu is above a 1060

[robust moth]

we arent talking about gpus

[tardy rapids]

Yes but my point stands

[robust moth]

when did we started talking about them?

[tardy rapids]

When you posted a survey about processors which also included the average gpu in it

A 3060

Meaning people can afford a better gen cpu

[robust moth]

i was asking for help with that

since arisa said that it was proof people were using more cpus with avx2

but i didnt found any clue on that

[tardy rapids]

If the average gpu is a 3060 that means the cpu has to meet the requirements for that gpu

Meaning most cpus can run av2 if the most used gpu on steam is a 3060

[robust moth]

yeah but we were talking about percentages

[tardy rapids]

As those cpus have to be within the last 7 years ish

[robust moth]

they claimed avx1 was less than a percent

i wanted to see all specific percentages

[tardy rapids]

Idc what percentages you want the facts do not lie.

[rocky moss]

This is all kinda silly ain’t it? If your hardware is deprecated, get new hardware or play different games. Happens all the time. It sucks, but companies can’t support hardware forever.

[robust moth]

?

[tardy rapids]

^^^

[robust moth]

we were talking about percentages there

[tardy rapids]

I'm glad you are the percentage is more people have 3060's meaning they have better cpus

[robust moth]

nobody said against that

[tardy rapids]

Your survey did

[deep finch]

it's all good when it happens to console players but now that it happens to pc players... uh oh. eye-roll.

[robust moth]

i wanted to prove that it wasnt only one percent using old cpus

[tardy rapids]

And your proof also provided proof for my claim

Lol

[robust moth]

??

which is?

[tardy rapids]

Re-read my previous statement I'm not repeating.

[robust moth]

yeah? nobody was saying it wasnt true?

[tardy rapids]

So then we agree you need to upgrade

[robust moth]

no

[tardy rapids]

As games are getting more requirements.

[robust moth]

i dont agree

most games run fine

[tardy rapids]

Get out of the 2010 era.

[tardy rapids]

Nope more games are getting off old gen

[robust moth]

i still can run all my games tho

including recent releases such as space marine 2

[tardy rapids]

Yes the ones you bought from 2018

Which is why hunt is 2024

[robust moth]

cyberpunk 2077, doom eternal, elden ring

[tardy rapids]

Engine upgrades means more requirements

[tardy rapids]

All of those games run last gen

[robust moth]

hunt is last gen

which a new coat of paint

[tardy rapids]

Nope

[robust moth]

destiny did the same thing back in 2018

[tardy rapids]

Engine upgrade increased the requirements

It is now a 2024 game

[robust moth]

when beyond light came out the engine recieved a huge improvement

and it kept running well

[tardy rapids]

I'm glad to hear for that game

But this one doesn't

[robust moth]

it should

[tardy rapids]

They both use different engines

[robust moth]

they both proprietary engines

so you could treat them the same way

[tardy rapids]

No you cannot

[deep finch]

definitely not

[tardy rapids]

Not even close

That is like comparing making games in unreal to unity

Like nah

[robust moth]

cryengine is made by crytek, tiger engine is made by bungie

[deep finch]

game making engines are vastly different in so many ways holy cow

[robust moth]

they have all the ways of messing around in them

[tardy rapids]

Before you continue

[robust moth]

with no middle men between

[tardy rapids]

How much money and investors do they have

[robust moth]

epic in the case of unreal

and unity i dunno who owns unity

[tardy rapids]

Because crytek has nowhere near as much of as a budget as bungie

And we both agree to that

[robust moth]

then they should keep their customers close right?

[tardy rapids]

No

[robust moth]

so they can get more funding by getting more money

[tardy rapids]

That's why the engine upgrade was free

Bungine charged money for d1 to d2

[robust moth]

destiny also was free

im talking about destiny 2 only

[tardy rapids]

Again

[deep finch]

imagine thinking unreal engine 5 and unity are the same. wow.

[tardy rapids]

D1 to d2 costed money

[robust moth]

im not

[tardy rapids]

Meaning hunt didn't charge

[robust moth]

im saying that crytek and bungie both OWN their engines

[tardy rapids]

So they have limited options

[tardy rapids]

And they have to use limited options for budget

[robust moth]

they dont need to bother with engine modification licensing

you can compare how they deal with their engines

[tardy rapids]

Deny all you wish

But your comparison makes 0 sense

[robust moth]

it kinda does

[tardy rapids]

One has a 500 million dollar budget

The other has whatever crytek makds

[robust moth]

because one game had an upgrade that improved for everyone

and the other bricked people

[tardy rapids]

Which was free

Bungie's wasn't

[robust moth]

destiny was free too

[tardy rapids]

Nope

D1 to d2 costs money

[robust moth]

you do know im talking about destiny 2

ONLY

not d1

third to fourth year of d2

we had a similar engine upgrade to hunt

it was free

[deep finch]

and they aren't even using the same engines... you can't even compare that.

[tardy rapids]

Mw2 to mw3 was a paid dlc upgrade

They made it run on last gen

Why?

[robust moth]

you can compare how they handle it

[tardy rapids]

Budget was higher

[robust moth]

and that's what im doing

[tardy rapids]

Can't do that with hunt

[deep finch]

but the way the engines compute things are different. it's still apples to oranges.

[robust moth]

im not talking about extreme specifics

[deep finch]

you would have to compare some other cryengine game.

that got an upgrade from crytek.

[robust moth]

im talking about how both engines had an upgrade

and how one was butchered

[tardy rapids]

Dude you have no points

[robust moth]

and the other wasnt

[tardy rapids]

You have zero like examples

And none of them correlate

[robust moth]

i gave you them

[tardy rapids]

Outside of upgrade

If hunt was a paid upgrade

[robust moth]

well for one the game still works

[tardy rapids]

I'd understand your frustration

[robust moth]

and it wasnt paid

[tardy rapids]

If you can't play the game refund on steam they'll give you it

They did it with helldivers 2

[robust moth]

after 800s hours?

i dont think so

[tardy rapids]

Yes

I refunded helldivers 2 with 467 hours

So bs

If the game is unplayable steam gives it back

[deep finch]

is ebay banned in brazil? what is ur ebay equalivant? surely there are local deals for computer parts. have you looked into it yet?

[robust moth]

yeah

1600ish to get a new kit

To ensure future eligibility, please submit refund requests within 14 days and less than 2 hours of playtime. Please review our Refund Policy

[tardy rapids]

https://www.thegamer.com/helldivers-2-steam-reportedly-allowing-refunds-past-the-two-hour-limit-pc-psn-sign-in-requirement-controversy/

[deep finch]

so 281 usd. what are your parts currently worth in real?

[tardy rapids]

Again

Bullshit

[robust moth]

around 300

no

in real they are 2400ish

[deep finch]

so you can flip your current set-up easily to get a compliant set?

[tardy rapids]

At this point what are you complaining for?

Get your refund

Get better hardware

Come back you still have your dlc

[robust moth]

lmao

consoomer mindset

[deep finch]

your current setup is worth 2400 real and to get a compliant set is 1600 real? why not flip it?

[tardy rapids]

Brazil mindset

Thinking outdated gear should affect everyone

[robust moth]

my game ran before it can run now without avx2

[tardy rapids]

Gaming is a luxury always has been

[robust moth]

it SHOULDNT have avx2

[tardy rapids]

And ty for proving my point

[robust moth]

i mean

my motherboard ram and processor arent worth even 350 real

so i cant flip it

[deep finch]

you have no way of ascertaining that avx2 is not needed. it may very well be completely required to process certain pipelines for this version of cryengine.

[robust moth]

before it ran

it could run now without avx2

and i will stand by it

[tardy rapids]

And after it ran it fixed a lot of performance issues

[deep finch]

1896 is not fully upgraded yet dude.

[tardy rapids]

Check the feedback

There are positive ones about performance

[deep finch]

it's still getting updated.

[tardy rapids]

It's like talking to a brick wall

[robust moth]

same

[deep finch]

so it's going to start more and more adhereing to the minimum specs listed.

[tardy rapids]

"I won't upgrade my system"

"They should fuck over everyone else and let me play"

[robust moth]

they already fucked a lot of people

[tardy rapids]

"Revert changes for me and the 700 people"

[tardy rapids]

700

[robust moth]

yeah

that's a lot

[tardy rapids]

Not even 10%

[robust moth]

for your little 30 fps

[tardy rapids]

Skill issue should've listened to the highlights

They said requirements are going up

[deep finch]

literally several times

[robust moth]

that again, could be achieved with better optimisation on other parts of the game

[tardy rapids]

They don't have the budget for.

[robust moth]

lmao

[tardy rapids]

So they use solutions to better performance for the majority of the gamers

[robust moth]

why do you defend them so much

are they paying you?

[tardy rapids]

Why do you insult them so much?

[wary girder]

we dont defend them, we are just telling you dont make sense

[robust moth]

because they disrespected me and hundreds of other people

[deep finch]

i don't get how a person doesn't realize the minimum specs were changes for a reason.

[tardy rapids]

Nope you were told 3+ times the upgrade is coming

[robust moth]

the reason why pc gamers are vocal, unlike console players is because we wont stand by this bs

[tardy rapids]

It is your responsibility to keep up on info

[robust moth]

nobody said that avx2 was going to be added

[tardy rapids]

Oh yes they did

[robust moth]

nobody said it was going to be a requirement

[tardy rapids]

Check q &a's

They announced more cpu demanding stuff

[robust moth]

they havent stated that exact word by word before

find me

and i'll fold

but until then

ill stand by what i mean

[tardy rapids]

Remember the post regarding amd glitches?

[deep finch]

Literally they did, it may not have explicitly stated at first.... it was implied when the minimum spec cpu has avx2 support. that could have been more strongly stated earlier.

[tardy rapids]

Go re-read it

[robust moth]

screenshot and send me

[tardy rapids]

It announces more cpu upgrades

You go read

Not me I already read it

It's in the server check the channel

[robust moth]

nah i wont go on a goose chase to hit a wall like i did before with that link

[deep finch]

for me, literally once they posted the new minimum specs... you can see that both cpus are avx2 supported.

[robust moth]

which channel

[deep finch]

go to steam page, look at minimum specs. i7-7700 and 2600 both have support for avx2.

[robust moth]

does it say: avx2 support is required?

no

simply saying the cpu needed has it is not enough

[deep finch]

it does. literally they say you must have those cpus or better

[tardy rapids]

Clearly states in the highlights and reddit more cpu demanding stuff

[deep finch]

every cpu after those support avx2 or do they not?

[tardy rapids]

So yeah skill issue

[robust moth]

its like saying that a game requires a rtx 3080

because it needs raytracing

[tardy rapids]

Huh?

Huh?

Ok I'm done your examples are so zero sense

[robust moth]

but it doesnt explicitly says it needs raytracing capability

[tardy rapids]

I have no idea your point anymore besides complaining even your own evidence supported my claims

I'm done

I apologize that the game no longer works for you

[tardy rapids]

LOL

Ty oney

[robust moth]

still doesnt tell you it needs avx2 support

[tardy rapids]

The required cpu does

Yours is old gen

[deep finch]

JeT, because you refused to look at what those minimum spec cpus supported

[tardy rapids]

Newer ones come with it

You said it yourself

[robust moth]

it doesnt explicitely claims it

[deep finch]

you find yourself in this position

[tardy rapids]

No more excuses

[robust moth]

again, its like saying that you need a RTX compliant gpu to run a game without making it explicit

[deep finch]

it's implied. i even understood that. of course maybe they could have been much more detailed about it sure but i understood it.

[robust moth]

my dude

many people before never even heard of avx2 before

why people would bother to check

[idle folio]

Now you know to do more research on specs, live and learn

[tardy rapids]

If the listed cpu requirement is higher and comes with av2

[robust moth]

that's why they needed to make it explicit

[deep finch]

i compared the feature lists of the parts they listed when they announced the change. did you? apparently not.

[tardy rapids]

Means you're gonna need it most likely

Or a cpu upgrade anyway

[robust moth]

show me

[tardy rapids]

Literally it can't be more obvious they stated required cpus

If it's higher than yours means you need to upgrade

[robust moth]

does it says AVX2 support required?

that's what i want to see

if not

[tardy rapids]

Avx2 or not doesn't matter

[robust moth]

my point stands

[tardy rapids]

It doesn't

[tight maple]

Duck Season

[tardy rapids]

Posts requirements for upgraded cpu out of 13 year old gen cpus

People angry 13 year old cpus don't run the game anymore

????

[robust moth]

cyberpunk lists cpus that have avx2

[tardy rapids]

You'd have months + a year to upgrade

[robust moth]

it doesnt need it

space marine does as well

it also doesnt need it

[tardy rapids]

Cyberpunk has mods to lower requirements

[deep finch]

i7 7700 and 2600, go google their feature lists. both show avx2. hmm how is that different from my current cpu? mine doesn't have that, perhaps this may be an issue in the future.

[tight maple]

Rabbit Season

[tardy rapids]

Hunt is a multiplayer gsme

Can't compare

[robust moth]

im not using any mods to lower requirements

[deep finch]

not even the same engines

[tardy rapids]

Skill issue you should

[deep finch]

point is null.

[robust moth]

why? my game runs fine

[tardy rapids]

You're not gonna win this

[tight maple]

Duck Season

[tardy rapids]

All of your points are null

Just refund and upgrade bro

[robust moth]

cant refund a 800 hour game on steam

already told you that

[tardy rapids]

Bro

Have you tried

[robust moth]

valve made a special exception for helldivers

[tight maple]

Rabbit Season

[robust moth]

yes

[tardy rapids]

Before you say anything

Ok show proof

[robust moth]

i tried to refund a game i had 5 hours once

[tardy rapids]

Blur the stuff

Show proof

[robust moth]

lemme find it on my email rq

[tardy rapids]

Idc about the 5 houts

I said for hunt

You can't physically play it anymore they made exceptions for helldivers 2 because some regions couldn't play it

You physically can't play due to a engine upgrade

[deep finch]

just because they deny you for one game, doesn't mean they will deny you for a different game. just like @tardy rapids posted about helldivers, that was you right?

[tight maple]

Duck Season

[tardy rapids]

That is a legitimate reason

[tardy rapids]

Yes

If you give a valid reason

They typically issue a refund

He is trolling

Game engine upgrade is a valid reason

[deep finch]

absolutely correct about the posts rn lol

[tardy rapids]

Wabbit season

[tight maple]

Duck Season

[tardy rapids]

Wabbit season

[deep finch]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-season-rabbit-season-gif-13823200

[tight maple]

Duck Season

[pseudo stream]

Hey @robust moth I understand your frustration, especially when you said, that you can run games like cyberpunk but old good hunt... not anymore. Cuz now its" brand new " hunt! With fked up user interface. I personally lost 3 friends cuz they cant run hunt anymore. But i guess for the Crytek its worth it.

[deep finch]

can someone edit it for avx, avx2 please? 🙂

[tardy rapids]

Wabbit season

[tight maple]

Duck Season

[tardy rapids]

Wabbit season

Fuck

[deep finch]

lmao

[tight maple]

Rabbit Season

[tardy rapids]

Duck season

Feedback discussion should be changed to complaining area

Like holy jesus

I miss when actual feedback was given here

And the latest area

[tight maple]

it kinda unofficially is treated as such

[tardy rapids]

Which is fucking dumb

I remember having discussions about balance like veterreli or cent being better weapons etc

Now it's just cod players or last gen players

Going "game unplayable"

[robust moth]

because that's no feedback i guess

[tardy rapids]

No it's not

[robust moth]

it is?

[tardy rapids]

After the 500th time

[robust moth]

they made a dumb change

and they will recieve complaining

[tight maple]

I think you two just agreed on something

[tardy rapids]

Nope not starting it with the guy who can't upgrade.

[deep finch]

I kinda wish i had the option for RT-reflections instead of screen-space reflections. 🙂

[tardy rapids]

I like your funny words magic man

[robust moth]

asked for a refund

[tardy rapids]

Holy fuck ty

[robust moth]

lets see if it works

it probably wont

[deep finch]

have you tried the different audio drivers, cryengine sound vs dolby?

[tardy rapids]

If it doesn't I apologize but I am going off of the recent steam giving players money back for becoming unplayable

[tight maple]

Give any refund request at least one appeal. I hear the first denial is usually automated so you need to appeal to get a human to look at it

[robust moth]

how many times have you done it @tardy rapids

[tardy rapids]

For unplayable games?

4 times

All went through just provided proof

Record the game not working

[robust moth]

you do live in the us right?

[tardy rapids]

And show em

[tardy rapids]

Was in the US and also in Syria when I refunded

Both went through

[robust moth]

weird, steam didnt issued refunds to people with multiple localizations on the helldivers thing

an italian friend of mine couldnt even though he was in portugal at the time

[tardy rapids]

That's weird

Mine went through

[deep finch]

did they try appealing?

[robust moth]

yes

more than once

[tardy rapids]

Again I'd show proof

[robust moth]

they still have the game

useless now that he's living in italy again

[tight maple]

I feel like that was a more complicated situation compared to this though

[tardy rapids]

Like this one you physically cannot play the game they upgraded the game

A refund is justified imo

[robust moth]

people could abuse it tho

[tardy rapids]

You need hard proof

It is not as abuseable as you think

[tight maple]

I think at this point you're both in complete agreement on next steps

[robust moth]

i already said i werent going back to hunt anyways

that was yesterday

or earlier today i dont remember

but that was over the troubleshooting server

i just think its unfair for all the people who cant play it anymore

[tight maple]

Yeah I feel that

[robust moth]

i literally upgraded my gpu when 1896 came out because it was reasonable to upgrade the pc then

a halloween patch requiring a more expensive upgrade than the actual engine upgrade was the last straw for me

[tight maple]

Makes sense

[tardy rapids]

Fair I love this game personally

And love the new changes

Ui is glitchy but useable

But I love the custom ammo and weapons etc

[robust moth]

the gunplay in this game is unmatched

but sadly ill move on

hopefully marathon wont be the next concord

and it can be able to satiate my extraction shooter needs

[tardy rapids]

I still say upgrade your cpu when you can and just come back

[robust moth]

i will upgrade

[tardy rapids]

Give the game sometime usually engine upgrades

[robust moth]

already planned to

[tardy rapids]

Take a year after they come out

To become better

[robust moth]

from before all this happened

[tardy rapids]

I'd say mid 2025 hunt will be in really good spot with a patched out hud and ui

[robust moth]

im giving the kit on this pc to my cousin as his first pc ever to run some games

i already have half the pc done

[tardy rapids]

Good shit

I saved up after I graduated college

And just poured it all into a 2200$ pc

Built it with my brother

[robust moth]

i spent over 1300 brl on my pc this year

ironically

to run hunt

[tardy rapids]

God dam

[robust moth]

new psu and gpu

and it was going fine till halloween

[tardy rapids]

I just wanted a pc so I didn't have to upgrade for like 10+ years

Got a 4080

[robust moth]

yeah its the first time in 8 years i bought a new piece of hardware

[craggy burrow]

So when wil there be a South African server ?

[unborn sandal]

Might be a memory issue if you didn’t upgrade that

Hunt runs like trash on anything less than 16 gigs

[robust moth]

nah its the cpu 100%

i got 16 gigs

[wary girder]

btw, you couldnt find it

it was your skill issue

avx2 is 95%

95% of steam users have it

@robust moth

[robust moth]

6%

[wary girder]

hm?

[robust moth]

btw how much is 6% out of all of the steam userbase?

do you know how immense that number is?

[wary girder]

its nothing compared to 95, yeez, still hardheaded

you were going on how you cant find it for like 2 hours

i show it to you and you still..

somethings wrong with you buddy

[robust moth]

you said it was 1%

then now 5%

[wary girder]

its STEAM USER BASE

Hunt one is way lower

[robust moth]

then i ask you how much is 5% of the steam userbase

tell me how much it is

[wary girder]

you will never learn

[robust moth]

im busy playing rn

[wary girder]

i give up on you

[robust moth]

huh

that's a pretty big ammount

source

[wary girder]

the survey is not taken by everyone, you know that too?

[robust moth]

its not a survey

what i sent btw

and yes

[wary girder]

you are delusional

[robust moth]

the number you sent could be higher

and could be lower

i get it

but still its an immense number

[wary girder]

its nothing

not worth it to the companies

95% is what they care about

and on Hunt player base its probably more like 98-99%

so yeah

[robust moth]

lmao brazil doesnt have that in populace in general

imagine not caring about and entire country size of playerbase

[wary girder]

you are the most harheaded and delusional person I met, I give up on you

[robust moth]

do it please

[wary girder]

you are hopeless

[robust moth]

i could say the same about you

[wary girder]

but i am the only one here who makes sense

there is difference

[robust moth]

keep shilling for companies, one day (probably never) they will notice you

[wary girder]

you are brainwashed

[robust moth]

dont think im the one brainwashed here

[wary girder]

good, you are free to think that LMAO

enjoy the feeling

while it lasts

they dont care about 44 people

buddy

6% of the "lost" people this month

44 people

[robust moth]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-exterminador-talk-to-the-hand-fale-com-a-mao-arnold-shwarzenegger-gif-20253177

[wary girder]

ah yes, out of words

[crystal plume]

This is the final time I'm going to ask, move on

If you cannot hold a respectful conversation about the topic, then you can simply not partake in the conversation

[wary girder]

i assume i can post one more image of calculation?

[rustic timber]

U get 150 hp back from the revive bolt? All bars back when revived? Is this correct?

[idle folio]

You're looking at concurrent player stats there, not total player stats.

[wary girder]

if i took total the percentage would be even smaller

i compared it to currents day peek

these are not 100% correct calculations because we don't have the data avaliable but the numbers are somewher around, its what i was trying to prove, that its small

in situation like this we have to think about the pros and cons, options: maintain two builds of the game, just keep the performance, or dont use avx2

maintaining two builds of the game is not worth based on the numbers, it wouldnt be worth it from finincial standpoint

and we gotta think Crytek is company to make money

so either its reverted and people lose quite a lot of frames depending on system

or leave the miniscul part of players behind

the majority wants more frames, smooth game

even people like Rachta with 4090 + top cpu were complaining about performance when 1896 released

with the new update with AVX2 and other optimizations, time framings became so stable, before it was everywhere so even with high fps it felt bad

now its very smooth

[idle folio]

I think you're right, it's just that the AVX2 thing will affect a lot more than 44.
Going with the napkin math assumption that it's only like 1% of the playerbase that were below min specs cause they generally have better tech than the average steam user, that still drops off around 45k - 60k players who have ever bought the game, going by online owner estimations. Naturally a big chunk of those never played the game after buying and a further chunk haven't played the game in years but that'll still leave a fair amount unable to continue. It's ultimately a skill issue on their part, not knowing they were below min spec, but at the same time most people don't know a thing about what specs actually mean beyond the brand number and have to be hand held through these sorts of upgrades.
Maybe companies in the future will list features of the specs they're targeting, who knows.

[rustic timber]

@cerulean sinew Ehmm.. what kinds nonsense suggestion is that? We are customer, and paying for a game.. So calm down.. If it was free, maybe I would agree.

[idle folio]

Crytek isn't really wrong not to explain it but it does suck for those who got abandoned cause they weren't paying close attention. Makes sense that people like Jet would get pissed off about it.

[wary girder]

the 44 number is the difference between how many new players got it and etc.. the number Crytek is going to lose from the data is around 44 active players, it like can be more, around maybe 100-200 but the wave of new players compensates for it

[wary girder]

It makes sense they get pissed about it and that's fair but ignoring facts is not the way

Crytek put in min specs cpus that have avx2 and newer cpus will have avx2 no matter what

Crytek told people everything and then i am blamed i am some shill and such

and questions like how much they are paying me

[wary girder]

so it doesnt make sense for Crytek from the finincial side

and after all Crytek is a company, company to make profit

yeah, thats it kinda

[wary girder]

maybe Crytek will do two builds of the game and choose which one to run based on runtime check or just have one build with runtime checks everywhere where avx2 is used but that will increase the complexity again and they would be doing it for processors that are not officially supported

we will see

maitaining more of that would be cumbersome i think, Crytek doesn't have that many employees, Crytek is quite small and things like this will add so much complexity and so much stuff to maintain, so much more surface that can have bugs, having to maintain two implementions for each thing where avx2 is used

would have to be done manually in assembly these parts, with like inline assembly

compiler wouldnt be able to take care of stuff like that

assembly of course is harder to maintain than some higher language that can be just adjusted with compiler flag to generate code with avx2 support

[wary girder]

even better solution would be to extract all the functions that benefit from avx2(gotten from profiler) to separate file and compile it twice with avx2 and without and do runtime check and load the appropriate object file and link the functions that way with the correct instructions

would be only one runtime check and could be still done by compiler if the compiler can optimize those functions by itself and its not assembly already

would add complexity to the build system but not the code so that would be the least amount of "cumbersome"

[robust moth]

@tardy rapids :c

i might try more later tho

[idle folio]

That's the automated reaction, I think you can push to get a real person involved in the refund though idk the details on how.

[wary girder]

this

[unique vine]

FIx your game. Your last patch has broken so much. Server issues. people cant play...

[knotty fractal]

can anyone tell me why i cant enter in any match, idk if i got issues with my gpu or wtf it just doesn´t enter in the match like the loadscreen never ends, im running with a 1660 super and a ryzen 5 5500

[main ice]

steam updated tos so that now requesting a charge back requires an actual presence in court because of a large lawsuit their facing rn

so any attempt at refunding hunt is likely gonna have to be directly to crytek even though its purchased on steam

[knotty fractal]

like.. even if a reset the gpu cache the thing don't start

[main ice]

and if they're simply discontinuing unsupported cpu's ABILITY TO OPEN the game than a refund is most definitely deserved, spent over 200$ on the game & dlc's + bloodhounds

[hot vigil]

Pretty sure you agreed to all this by signing the EULA

[chrome oyster]

This is almost definitely the MSVC /arch:AVX2 flag, not assembly. Writing manual assembly doesn't happen much at all anymore

They could use two DLLs and have a bootstrap program to pick which one to load, but it's as you said going to be extra complexity that IMO the game does not need right now

[wary girder]

what i said, runtime check to load object file

two different compiled versions

[orchid notch]

heal bolts seem kinda busted if used correctly. i think to balance them, they should be a cloud that revives over time, taking about the same amount of time as a player revive. during this time, enemies can throw choke bombs to cancel the heal cloud.

[opal hornet]

Is US east just awful for anyone else right now? Weird rubber banding ever 30-40 seconds or so

[cerulean sinew]

Players expect a perfect game and I think it's good enough that they give us new content all the time, bugs will be sorted out, no need to cry about it. What would happen if they just forgot about Hunt and stopped releasing updates, imagine no event for 6 months... All I'm saying is that the community is ungrateful even if crytrek tries everyday

[strong ember]

new bug, when beetle died, hunt will crashed

[teal gull]

does anybody know why i cant use the shinbatsu throwing knife skin i paid for?

[urban night]

XD

loading screen for match

ends in lobby

new game mode? XD

"lobby deatch match"

[formal tide]

#ReturnTheLore XD

[unique vine]

🤢

[somber harbor]

I think the issue is the way they go about events. They release them so often and make them so long that we genuinely don't get any time to play base hunt. I'd legit just rather have a battle pass that is completed through xp like every other game at this point, I'm tired of pact traits harming the flow of gameplay, I'm tired of having to grind just to use the new equipment or wait two months to give it a shot

Like don't get me wrong I think the occasional event back when they were more rare was fun, I loved the scrapbeak and all of the events before pacts and even pacts I enjoyed for a while but they need to put more thought into pacts in general. As it stands there's always two that aren't really that good, and then just one that's busted.

It especially shows with this event as one pact is just early access quartermaster which was removed for a reason back in early access, one is just seeing gunshots you can already hear, and the other one is a bannable offence atm

[unborn briar]

[tribal wyvern]

Not only do you get 2x big weapons with Gunrunner, you also run faster with bounty with Greyhound. It's just THE best pact, no arguments.

And they do this everytime, is this a social experiment or wtf? They can't be that delusional to not know Gunrunner would be the best one. They HAVE had to know it would be, far before releasing it.

Or pacts giving you bars back on kills etc. Obviously would people go for that.

3400 next game, did not even touch any player, getting 1 bounty and 2600 from cash + looting dead bodies

by touching i mean fighting

[tribal wyvern]

Kill + banish + extract with bounty: 597 hunt dollars.
You've completly fucked the whole game loop and incentive to go for objective. Well done i guess.

[whole frost]

Why do blueprints give bloodline unlocks when there's only one unlock now...? Revert back to 3 unlocks pls

[velvet silo]

and they spawn far less than they used to do I think

[mossy flame]

when...really when will be a real ping limit implemented in this Game....ridiculous

[full vine]

the entire game mechs already got outpatched by holding 2 3slot weapons

but since the new ui its clear that crytech doesnt know shit about theyr own games let alone the balance state of it

nerf necro byitself which was ok
Make it u burn in 2 seconds to ashes
and now rez with arrows its so fuked up

[brazen geyser]

so bounty clash duos is not fun xD literally just oops all rats. no thanks. trios on the other hand...

[somber harbor]

it happens literally every time pacts are implemented, like remember when one pact just straight up stopped you burning entirely unless there was fire directly on you?

then in the patch after that event they allowed flare guns and fuses to burn you when the problem no longer existed

[hot vigil]

Not ONLY the burn immunity, but also automatically stopped bleeding after 1 second.
So you could just do one anitdote, that back then lasted 20min, to be basically immune to any of the conditions effects lmao

[tribal wyvern]

Tbh bounty clash in general was pretty lackluster. I don't know how active people are in it. But i played it for one day and was like "aight, thats enough."
It's just a big money sink if anything.

And the whole idea of 12 ppl nuking eachother in 1 compound ain't that fun.

But atleast now ppl who kept suggesting it can stfu.

[brazen geyser]

free/cheap loadout, vulture+packmule = profit. thats for sure i made 25k in like 4 hours. no joke. trios is a BLAST. i do hear alot of people saying they dont like the money struggle but i havent felt it at all yet. duos every time i run it feels empty until suddenly it isnt. the camping is like 100000x worse in clash 2s. i feel like clash 3s is the closest approximation to private servers that were gonna see lol

[tribal wyvern]

Clash doesnt have duo or trio btw

Its the same lobbies

[brazen geyser]

wierd, i havent seen any trios yet when i queue duos?

like at all. just luck then? wild crazy luck?

[tribal wyvern]

unless you documented every single game i doubt that

[somber harbor]

literally lmao, granted I'm basically begging them to bring the bleed stopping back because of how annoying it's been since that same patch implemented centennial dumdum

[hot vigil]

Just remove of it from Cenny, easy fix.
Tho think heavy bleed overall could use a slight nerf, making take one less second to stop.

[somber harbor]

lmao they're never removing it from the centennial

devs said they'd remove custom ammo from some weapons then didn't do it

[cunning shuttle]

Well I left the game because of the cursor bug and this welcomed me...

Is there a fix there or am I have to wait for a bug fix patch?

[hot vigil]

Except they said they are looking into maybe doing it?

Like how dolch FMJ was a mistake

[novel solar]

just use bloodless and you gonna have no trouble with dumdum users

it's kinda funny to watch people waiting for you to bleed out and witness you casually running half the compound away before bandaging.

anyways dumdum and bleeding in general are not a problem since there is a direct counter to that

[serene gust]

Title: Game sucks now
Details: Your last update made the game almost unplayable. It's been days now and you still didn't fix it. I suggest you revert.

Title: Want more details?
Details: For more details, subscribe for only 9.99€/week

[hot vigil]

Bloodless alleviate it for sure.
Still don't think it belongs on the Cenny and still think it is a little to harsh on the heavy bleed.
Not the DoT, just the stop timer.

[hot vigil]

Wrong channel buddy :))))

[serene gust]

Wrong channel name, then. I gave my feedback

Maybe I was typing for the wrong game. I was typing a feedback on the latest update for Hunt Showdown. My bad.

[hot vigil]

Literally just put it in #feedback

[serene gust]

Why? I'm on the feedback channel

It doesn't make any sense. That's extra work.

[hot vigil]

Dunno, but devs doesn't read the feedback discussion channel.
This is the channel were users can discuss feedback.

So well... Just if you want to be heard by the devs, writing it here doesn't do anything.

[serene gust]

And I gave my feedback. It's you who didn't want to discuss it

With this, I bid you good day.

[hot vigil]

What we don't do to save face :)

[serene gust]

I have no idea what you wanted to say just now. Are you missing any faces? What's going on?

[hot vigil]

No no, don't worry, you bid your farewell, so don't think too much of it :)

[novel solar]

anyways only on rare occasions i find myself having issues with bleeding after being hit by cenny. mostly when crossing open areas (in which case you will probably die to 2nd hit anyways). what actually causing great inconvenience is springfield with dumdum rounds. that thing is actually scary even if you have bloodless

[hot vigil]

Mjah, still think dummy cen kinda overshadows other options for the gun, but I do agree with your take over all.
And mostly I just want the bleed nerf done bc it is annoying more than everything lol.

[unborn sandal]

I’m guessing you haven’t seen the Maynard yet

145 dmg with dum dum

[novel solar]

just and equivalent of nitra

had no experience playing with or against it

so have no opinion there

[unborn sandal]

I ran into one guy that was sitting in a bush with it but he couldn’t aim for shit

I took the Maynard from him but have yet to try it

[novel solar]

damn thats cute

fucking hell another knife skin lmao

just why....

[unborn sandal]

well it’s finally back in the menu now that the spear was properly nerfed

But I agree this is the tenth skin or something when there are still weapons and tools that don’t have any skins

[novel solar]

i started using it after got skin for it. still don't see much benefits over knuckle knife

funny enough - barely used spear even tho enjoyed it much first few weeks

[unborn sandal]

it’s better for pvp. At least it feels that way to me

And for hellhounds certainly

If I’m bringing a stamina shot anyway and I have something else I can kill immolators with I say why not bring the knife

[novel solar]

hellhounds... only reason i'm using it... anyways even throwing knives are better especially afterbuff

[novel solar]

do that on my cheap loadouts

if don't want to bring something fancy

[unborn sandal]

I hate that they made you have to right click first now to throw the throwing knives

[novel solar]

tbh it's just slightly annoying for me

[unborn sandal]

I want my left click to throw and use my melee keybind to melee

[novel solar]

weird desicion anyways

cryteks are not the smartest ones when it comes to desicion making

[chrome oyster]

@mint lava I don't think I've ever seen it look that faded in my matches. Normally I have the opposite problem I'm trying to look past the marker but can't.

Somewhat leery of changes here because I'm colorblind. Normally super pro color choice but I'm somewhat concerned they'd just change it (to some color I struggle with, e.g. making it a faded red color) without giving the option to continue to use a white, to use a cyan, or like a neon green/yellow, which would all be the highest visibility options to my eyes

[mint lava]

If I also want yellow, the idea is that if they take my idea, they can choose the colors according to personal taste.

[median zephyr]

the suggestion was to be able to change, if you like the current color then you just keep it yknow?

not a forced different color, just options to change if for instance you cant see it currently

[chrome oyster]

@mint lava @median zephyr
I'm going to go ahead and support the idea ... But I hope you'll both back me up if they instead end up changing it to a different color that I can't see very well and don't actually give any choices

[median zephyr]

i would be mad if they changed the color, options should be available not "we removed the basic color now you can pick others :)"

thats one step forward two steps back

kinda like how they did now "we finally nerfed the spear, we also overtuned the throwing knives"

[chrome oyster]

Yeah, I've just seen colorblind players demand color choice for decades and many developers instead insist they know better and instead change the color to one that "should be SO much better" but actually is still a really bad choice

Hunt is currently a pretty colorblind friendly game so I'd hate to see that fall apart

[median zephyr]

the thing about colorblindness is there is no one size fits all, even if 99% of people can see lets say orange vs blue, some people stil lcant

[chrome oyster]

At this point I half feel like there should be an accessibility law that requires color choices if your game makes over X million dollars a year for any accent color like stuff

[chrome oyster]

Right

[median zephyr]

so you need to have as many options as possible

i dont think there needs to be a law, just wish wed do it bc we care

[chrome oyster]

Well I wish people would do lots of stuff because they care... But sometimes the only way to make people care is with a law

It's just something that so many developers continue to screw up sadly

[stuck blaze]

Somebody knows what happened to servers? They turned into shit!

[queen jungle]

I can confirm this is true. I have two forms of colorblindness -- Tritanomaly and deuteranomaly. I also have visual snow syndrome. In games, I find that turning UI elements purple helps me distinguish them, but it would hinder others.

[somber harbor]

Dbd devs lol

"Changing blood stain colours would just make people change it to see it easier!!!"

Yeah bro thats the point people who cant see red can't see them

[queen jungle]

More makes it hard to tell red blood from reddish brown and greenish red

[median zephyr]

100% i hope they have an option for you asap <3333

[tardy rapids]

So what you're saying is we should make all blood gold for the funny

And instead of blood it's just coins

[chrome oyster]

Blizzard was even worse, they wouldn't let people change the health bar colors in Overwatch because "cheaters might abuse it [somehow]"

What a lame excuse for having terrible accessibility

[median zephyr]

i get why this isnt a thing and i know its not really reasonable, but i wish each person in here could have like a list of the current bugs, balance changes, etc that theyd most like to see fixed

like instead of me making a post about maynard dumdum, then dolch fmj and dum dum, and cenni dumdum, itd save me so much time to just put them all together somewhere

[lean estuary]

I only wish they would change the Headsman’s name to “The Redsman”

[median zephyr]

him using the redmartain, teaming with redneck >>>>>

[lean estuary]

Oh Yeaaaahhh

[somber harbor]

can't leave out ol' redshirt now

[lean estuary]

And then rename Hunt to “Ahistorical GrungeCore Arena shooter”

[median zephyr]

That's their trio of course

[chrome oyster]

yeah the Headman's is basically still black for me

it's one of the more attrocious skins in terms of accessibility, balancing skins by adding red is not ... nice of crytek

but also 🤷‍♂️

[near heart]

Please for the love of god, internally and thoroughly test your UI. It's broken in so many ways. This should not have been publicly released. Can't view any details of guns or ammo types, just nothing happens. Hitting escape makes the sound as if it's going back a screen, but nothing happens. I can hit it 100 times and nothing happens.

[chrome oyster]

@near heart I think you want #feedback

this is basically player <-> player discussion

[near heart]

@chrome oyster thanks

[chrome oyster]

haven't had the bug you have with selecting/unselecting things, but agree UI QA has been absolutely awful since the update

[unborn dagger]

@half stag there definitely needs to be a stage reload for 1865 carbine. Just being able to cancel inserting the rod animation after you put the bullets in is just weird

[hot grove]

Crytek fix your fucking game, my nividia dlss is GONE. experiencing lots of frame drops while my hardwares is not reaching its fully function, it’s like 30% usage. 4090 still so lagging wtf

Wtf crytek, what the actual f*** been like this since the update. Your fair play team is doing absolutely nothing. Server is bad, I encountered 5 games where the server crashes and unable to play in 2 hours. No wonder why the player base dropped dramatically

So many bugs. Roload bugs, models not loading correctly, sound bug and so much more. GAME ALWAYS RANDOMLY CRASHES AND I CANNOT RECONNECT

[tribal wyvern]

@fluid parcel I kinda agree with this, but there needs to be certain criterias fullfilled. Like having downed a team you can restore 1 bar or something like that.
We can't completly negate health loss like we do in events for base game. That'd be broken as hell.

I'd like to see a good implementation of this. Otherwise they could just remove health lost entirely.

@deep slate You do give up a secondary for it. And now with gunrunner you do not want to do that.
But I had a guy in my trio being a baller with it, we all ran resilience. we died, he insta revived, no one expected it 😄

And if you had the burn trait with not loosing bars, it's really strong.
And he healed us.

We won like 4 games in a row, i made like 15k+ 😄

@tranquil lichen There was no downside to necro in terms of giving up important slots like weapons, but now there is with crossbow.
You can't really run shotgun with it, as you delete any chance to kill someone at 20m+.
if you run a primary it needs alot of ammo like compact or ammo boxes.

So you need to build your loadout around it. Much more of a sacrifice.

@obsidian sun No. Theres gotta be some risk to taking the bounty.

What I would do however, is make 1 extraction only visible to the bounty team. So everyone can extract there, but only the bounty team can see it on the map.
I don't know the amount of coding this would need & can probably be changed to something simpler.
But you'd have 3 extractions on the map, but after boss is banished and a minute after that. All 3 extractions are removed, 2 new ones show up for everyone. 3rd is hidden to the everyone besides the ones holding the bounty.

And on a 2 boss map, the randomising of extracts would only happen once.

[hot vigil]

What exactly would all this try to prevent and/or enchance about the bounty gameplay?

[queen jungle]

This wouldn't add risk to the bounty, but remove some.

[tribal wyvern]

I wasn't talking about adding risk. But what i would do to improve the gameplay overall.

[tribal wyvern]

Right now, I guess more in duo than trio. People do not go near the bounty if it's far away from extractions.
You'll just end up in a fight, lose consums, bars etc.

Sometimes even the bounty team just kills, banish and leaves.
We should promote going for the objective.

Right now in events big cashregisters and vulture is already a huge culprit as you get more money not going for bounty.

But if you do not know where that 3rd extract is, you're forced to stay nearby, you'r forced to potentially be found by another team, to engage in the actual game. You can still risk it and stay far away, but then the bonty could potentially disappear.

You could technically still look for the 3rd extraction*, find it and place yourself accordingly.

Where is the risk in camping 300m away, in the middle of the map between all 3 extracts ?
There is non. But everyone else going near it, are taking the risks

For the health of the game, it should be encouraged to go for bounty, not avoid it.
And you need to encourage people going to it & not camping far away.

[hot vigil]

I can see some of the logic of it, but I am not sure its the solution.
I know I'm not in majority here, but I do think duos worked better when it was 10 people, 5 teams over 12 people, 6 teams.
That last team just made it too cramped and risky.

Think partial information for the non-bounty teams are gonna lead to very anti-climatic conclusions, where you have to gamble the last extract ain't a spot you cannot cover.

[tribal wyvern]

You can always cover all extracts, its called not being 300m away.
10 ppl or 12, won't do a single difference here.

If 4x3 can be at a compound, then so can 2x6, it's the same amount of ppl.

And some teams will always find eachother beforehand. But that does not happen when extracts are 500m away.

Example game: Me and my teammate we killed 6 people. With us thats 4 teams.
We left compound and a duo and a solo attacked us.

They were just sitting there doing nothing for 20 minutes.
There should be a risk for them to sit out there, right now theres NON

[hot vigil]

You cannot cover all extracts if you don't know where the last one is tho?

[tribal wyvern]

If you stay within 100m you can.

Because the extract they see is not always behind the boss lair

[hot vigil]

Also there is difference between 4x3 and 2x6 you get that many more guns shooting in different directions.

[tribal wyvern]

It still follows the normal rule of extract spawns

The point is that you should be forced to somewhat engage with the bounty, as it is the objective of the game.

Everyone engaging takes a risk, the ones camping 300m away atm takes NON.

[hot vigil]

Sometimes you need to pull further out for an rotate and that can only be done if you have information where and where not the bounty team might go.

[tribal wyvern]

So you mean all the other teams will just let them go?

You're talking as if you need to avoid other teams, but you also talk as if they'll let the bounty leave

[hot vigil]

I'm just saying people don't like doing actions based on partial information.

And it will creates two scenarios:

• "Woops I guess the bounty team had an extract to the south"
• The same issue of backdoor corner extracts where everyone is just sitting and waiting bc everyone had to be close enough to prevent the bounty team running, but also no one wanna make a play because they know everyone are in close.

[tribal wyvern]

The latter still happens

[hot vigil]

Hunt is dynamic, I don't like 300m snipers doing nothing either.
But I do love the bigger play area meaning you can do creative flanks and positioning.

[hot vigil]

Which I don't think we should encourage for every compound.

[tribal wyvern]

I don't think it will be less or more encouraged with this.
Thats a whole different can of worms.

People not choosing to engage, happens anywhere, anytime. Some ppl crouch the moment they hear gunshots 100+m away.

[tribal wyvern]

Issue here is you cannot tackle this without either giving better covers when moving, which i think would ruin the game in other ways.
Or by not giving them the information for free, where they will leave.
or you always have an extraction near them.

And also they're not only snipers.

I think any choice you have of how you decide to play. Be it engaging, or staying away, need to have risks. Right now 1 has non.

They get to keep all their consums, all their ammo, health bars etc.
While one risks losing alot or all of it.

[hot vigil]

Yeah no, it also makes double bounty maps worse.
My playgroup prioritize bounty teams based on ease of extract.
If a bounty is banishing, but they don't have an easy extract, we can focus on another boss with an easy one.
Which unknown information, you can't.

[tribal wyvern]

What about single boss maps then?

[hot vigil]

Considering how one of the main complaints for the past 6 years have been about bounty running away, it seems like that ain't as much of as an issue.

[tribal wyvern]

And the issue is that sometimes that team thinks the same while killing the boss, deciding not to take the bounty

[hot vigil]

Long range play just got nerfed in the 2.0 update. But I agree we can do more to nerf that.
But removing information for everyone ain't the solution.

[tribal wyvern]

The issue is not the long range play

I've not even uttered those words the entire time

[hot vigil]

Everyone engaging takes a risk, the ones camping 300m away atm takes NON.

[tribal wyvern]

Ye

[hot vigil]

I feel like that allude to long rang play no?

[tribal wyvern]

Okey maybe my fault, but no

Let me rephrase it then

My issue is a team, that decides not to engage with the bounty.
So that the bounty team or other teams around it, they fight, they lose maybe bars, tools consums etc.

They're spent. Then you have this one team that sits inbetween all the extracts, just waiting for you to move.
Because they know then, that you're low on everything. And they still have full ammo, hp, etc.

Getting a massive advantage from doing absolutely nothing.

Sitting 300m away, comfortably out of range for your scan. So whenever you go in a direction, they'll intercept.

Doesn't need to be snipers

It's the passive gameplay that is far to rewarding. I don't do it, i do not have the patience, i want to play.

[hot vigil]

Oh I think that is a totally valid and fair playstyle. If you don't take into account of who is left in the match or not, that is on you.

[tribal wyvern]

What?

How does that thinking process work exactly

You can enter a compound and you know exactly how many teams are there ?

Beforehand

[hot vigil]

Well you have darksight boost

[tribal wyvern]

Wait, please elaborate here. The teams outside, decides to engage you in the bounty lair. You need to fight them off & theres a big brawl.
Do tell how you manage to maintain 100% bars, consums & ammo as the bounty team

If you think the "surprise" is my issue you need to reread again...

[hot vigil]

You don't, but you still have dark sight boost.
And looting gives ammo (unless you run some specific custom ammo) and tools.
There are supply points on the map too.

[tribal wyvern]

Looting does not give ammo, im fairly certain that was a pact doing that.

The peacekeeper

[hot vigil]

No, but picking up weapons with similar ammo does

And if ammo is an overall concern for you, bring ammo boxes, they are literally overtuned.

[tribal wyvern]

What i said in my post is my concern

A gameplay of sitting far away, avoiding any combat, just to swoop in when you're low and spent, is horrible & it promotes a passive gameplay that hurts the game

You should be encouraged to engage, not to stay away