Blacklist perks/variants from certain weapons to avoid frustrations | SynthetikCommunity | Page 1

celest spoke Dec 11, 2025, 2:38 PM

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Like anyone that plays the game for more than 5 hours can tell, there's many, many perks and variations that completely break a weapon and make it useless.
I get Shrike's idea that for there to be good weapons, there must be bad ones, but I think this goes way past roguelike design and veers straight into frustration. The main example I can think of is the Nemesis.
It's a rare weapon that's extremely expensive and is emblematic, but it's also a trap and you should probably never bother with it. There's at least two perks in the AM tech that make it completely trash, Barrage and Unstable Ammo. Getting any of these two perks completely bricks the weapon, and since it always gets two extra perks, the chance that a Nemesis you find is immediately trash is extremely high, I'd say 50%.

The result of this confusing design is that what should be an exciting find is actually just something you ignore most of the time, and it's just kind of lame in general. This doesn't apply just to the Nemesis, that's just the best example I can think of. Getting a Prototype Reverence(which is what, 30% of your Reverences?) also makes it extremely trash due to how "free" extra shot works. There's plenty more examples, I'm sure people can post them here.

gray urchin Dec 11, 2025, 5:51 PM

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I mean the whole point of techs and factions was to prevent these interactions

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and give a bit more identity to the theming

north kestrel Dec 16, 2025, 6:17 PM

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Yes, adding deviation to AM technology which is explicitly meant for precision, makes no sense to me

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If 2nd round prototype didn't crank heat so much it'd be pretty good

simple plover Dec 16, 2025, 6:49 PM

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north kestrel Yes, adding deviation to AM technology which is explicitly meant for precision, ...

Armor piercing is the precision technology(yet on inaccurate LMGs wtf), but yeah, nothing can require precision seriously.

~~And anyone into missing can play XCOM instead.~~

north kestrel Dec 16, 2025, 7:10 PM

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Lmgs are decently accurate if you satisfy their conditions, the dusk is accurate in short bursts and the warthog after firing many rounds

celest spoke Dec 16, 2025, 10:47 PM

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and then you get Precision Drill on Warthog and cry

north kestrel Dec 17, 2025, 1:08 AM

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Oh yeah recoil reduction works the opposite way huh

gray urchin Dec 17, 2025, 7:35 AM

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the only way i see for a diz

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fix

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is a filter that checks if the gun is reversed recoil or not
if its ticked on

The recoil stats are applied in the inverse

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easier said than done.

celest spoke Dec 17, 2025, 3:46 PM

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There's perks that apply differently to shotguns, shouldn't be impossible

simple plover Dec 18, 2025, 6:13 PM

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celest spoke There's perks that apply differently to shotguns, shouldn't be impossible

Shotgun is a category, inverted recoil is descending values in the recoil curve.

Should the game have mixed recoil weapons(ignitro has made good use of mixed recoil curves and the base game amd-65 achieves via it's perk what a mixed recoil curve can achieve too), how should these work?

pale terrace Dec 19, 2025, 7:38 PM

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nem really is junk isnt it

north kestrel Dec 19, 2025, 9:16 PM

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It's good with the right setup but it's a dice roll

celest spoke Dec 19, 2025, 9:16 PM

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it needs magsize and some flat fire rate increase

optimized mag and repeater stock for example

north kestrel Dec 19, 2025, 9:16 PM

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Mag and burst fire makes it melt enemies

pale terrace Dec 19, 2025, 10:39 PM

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its like the last gun you want on sniper

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sniper doesnt want to do lots of damage in a single round because it has a higher chance of killing without a weakpoint which is -4 shield

celest spoke Dec 19, 2025, 11:20 PM

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lol the obsession with the shield numbah

celest spoke Dec 19, 2025, 11:23 PM

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north kestrel Mag and burst fire makes it melt enemies

I'm not a big fan of burst on it, because you're likely overkilling or the insane recoil will get you

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my best nemesis was a 6 shot one with 400 or so fire rate on commando, it was just a super M1 garand

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:38 AM

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celest spoke I'm not a big fan of burst on it, because you're likely overkilling or the insan...

The tec 9 is for normal enemies, also doesn't recoil only apply after the burst?

celest spoke Dec 20, 2025, 12:38 AM

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what?

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:38 AM

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pale terrace its like the last gun you want on sniper

Oh I don't use it on sniper usually on commando or smth

celest spoke Dec 20, 2025, 12:38 AM

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I'm pretty sure burst gets recoil per shot just as usual

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it's why the conversions lower recoil

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:40 AM

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Idk maybe I'm stupid but I thought recoil only happened after the burst

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Also I use nemesis on close range classes like a longer range shotgun shotgun

gray urchin Dec 20, 2025, 12:40 AM

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its still accurate close range

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:42 AM

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Yeah and if you can place shots you can still get headshots

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Not ideal but it still does a ton of damage

gray urchin Dec 20, 2025, 12:42 AM

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pale terrace sniper doesnt want to do lots of damage in a single round because it has a highe...

realest take

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sniper best guns are shotguns and fast firing rifles
the headshot multiplier is nuts

celest spoke Dec 20, 2025, 12:44 AM

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I dunno, shotguns in this game kinda suck

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in 250+% runs I need to stay at the edge of range all the time

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:45 AM

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They're better on tankier classes

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Or more mobile ones

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I used them a lot on commando

celest spoke Dec 20, 2025, 12:46 AM

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too many problems to solve imo
range, AP, fire rate, reload speed, mag size

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I love how chunky they are, don't get me wrong

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:49 AM

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gray urchin sniper best guns are shotguns and fast firing rifles the headshot multiplier is ...

Yeah I noticed it's so easy to get headshots on shotguns

pale terrace Dec 20, 2025, 12:49 AM

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most shotguns on most classes arent going to be your workhorse on high difficulty true but on high difficulty they become good as pocket guns for when you run out of ammo or get surrounded and just need burst against shield

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:50 AM

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The real worst offender of the perk slot machine is the pioneer, you get 1 of maybe 2 good perks and it's ungodly broken or it's completely useless

pale terrace Dec 20, 2025, 12:50 AM

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i got the dodge one lel

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i would say in this instance

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i did not beat the game

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:51 AM

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I got the crit damage one once

pale terrace Dec 20, 2025, 12:51 AM

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that works if you have a crit source but you default only have 3

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:51 AM

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It was a slight bit op

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I always invest into crit and luck if I have the chance on commando

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I think I got it to 700% or so

celest spoke Dec 20, 2025, 12:55 AM

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mine was like 40900% but that was from the before times

north kestrel Dec 20, 2025, 12:57 AM

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It's not completely broken but it allowed me to melt most enemies

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I only played at 100% then but it did a ton of damage for a pioneer

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I'm getting a bit sidetracked though, I think perks and variants need a re-examination to make sure they mesh with the weapons they're applied to

celest spoke Dec 20, 2025, 1:01 AM

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push comes to shove you can make exclusive technologies for certain guns that have inverted recoil

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like how the Evo-XS has its own type of fire AP and it's not actually AP

fallen raptor Dec 22, 2025, 7:02 AM

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pale terrace nem really is junk isnt it

I have made it work with corner check and twice is the charm + extra capacity

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but other than that pretty much yeah

fallen raptor Dec 22, 2025, 7:04 AM

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celest spoke Like anyone that plays the game for more than 5 hours can tell, there's many, ma...

I agree

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too many times I see a gun and it's just some useless modifier for the gun + more reload speed

#Blacklist perks/variants from certain weapons to avoid frustrations