Works for the 4K!
#tvos-jailbreaks
fleet parcel
I'll be launching a guide for it soon...
@rain timber did you jailbreak prior?
@analog elk there's several. uicache killall -9 backboardd or ldrestart
rain timber
@fleet parcel what do you mean
fleet parcel
@rain timber the Apple TV that had the unsuccessful update.. is it jailbroken?
fleet parcel
yeah, the jailbreak is what makes the updates not work
rain timber
i mean it was not in a jailbroken state
when i was doing tihs
i had rebooted it
(tried) restoring RootFS
did that about 4 times, rebooted rebooted rebooted
analog elk
where is the application image files located so i can change them
rain timber
fucking hell that was fun
i love when shit works
went from chimera'd 12.4 to unc0ver 13.4.5 using a MITM attack to get the OTA.
also a fuckin baller 1984 theme?
storm ridge
@rain timber @fleet parcel just checking the board... am I reading things right, is there still a way to go from 12.4 Chimera to 13.4.5 on the 4k? I have 2 more boxes I want to update
storm ridge
@fleet parcel wow... how?
storm ridge
@fleet parcel ok I'm running High Sierra and Xcode with the latest ATV device support extracted from xcode 11.5
high bear
sounds like a fun project to update from the beta to the normal 13.4.5 
storm ridge
I have Configurator 2.1 and I've used it before to load profiles on another 13.4.5. Never heard of Charles, I'm guessing it's this
https://www.charlesproxy.com/
storm ridge
is there a tutorial, plus I think I trashed the beta profile I had before thinking we were toast
fleet parcel
I'm making a tutorial
storm ridge
cool
high bear
theres a tutorial on r/jailbreak
fleet parcel
Mine's a bit more detailed š
storm ridge
I will probably run it in the morning (12 hours from now), will that be enough time for me to check back?
storm ridge
hopefully Apple does not close the IPSW signing window before tomorrow
high bear
wait did your beta profile last week update to the normal release and not the beta? I'm also on 17L562 @fleet parcel
Or that's what it says in the about
storm ridge
@high bear Earlier in the week I used the beta profile to update a 4k to the stable version 17L562. See my post here.
#tvos-jailbreaks message
rain timber
yeah
i updated 2
my post on reddit as i mentioned was probably not the best, but it's not that hard to follow along i don't think
and it's really not that complex... you're literally just telling mesu.apple.com you're looking for 13.4.6 and locally it's getting 13.4.5
also I donāt think they are that concerned about signing an ota anyway
high bear
yeah i gott the same thing i thought it was a beta the whole time
storm ridge
@rain timber In step 4 is it possible to just drag and drop the newly created profile using Configurator instead of Terminal? I've done it that way before for locally saved profiles
rain timber
sure, i believe so - i sort of out of habit do stuff in a shell
fleet parcel
@high bear the beta updates to 13.4.8
@rain timber 'tis okay, I'm making a more extensive tut š
high bear
oh i meant like 3 days ago with the profile @fleet parcel when i OTA'd, I used your profile and it updated to 13.4.5 but I thought it was a beta version of it but apparenty its the normal release? 17L562 is showing
fleet parcel
I'm gunna laugh if you get one, only to find out its on the latest and the signing window closes š
high bear
hm is there a reason i can't download those CC modules on nitotv? showing no installation candidate
fleet parcel
@high bear SSH in and type apt-get update
high bear
still getting it
fleet parcel
@high bear display output
high bear
i downloaded some repos from r/jailbreak lol
rain timber
what is why?
high bear
13.4.5
fleet parcel
Go into nitoTV > Sources and hold trackpad click on NitoTV Apple TV source
Release click until nitoTV prompts you to delete it
then go to "Add Repo" and add https://nitosoft.com/checkra1n/
high bear
oh that one i didn't change at all but I see why now
rain timber
still nothing?
fleet parcel
@rain timber hmm?
high bear
working for me now, and i got the new nitotv update i wasnt seeing
rain timber
i got it
just wondering if there is anything on the electra repo worth keeping around
or if anything relevant has been mirrored
to /checkra1n
but looks to have been
rain timber
i guess i could just move the 4K into the bedroom for the projector and see how it looks before i buy another
fleet parcel
made a guide
fleet parcel
prob in /Library
vapid dock
@fleet parcel
Sorry for the dumb question,new to all this, but Iām attempting to follow your guide to get my 4K on 13.4.5 and when I click on the (download here) for the XML I get took to another window w just a bunch of text, no option to download that I find. Iāve already downloaded the file from IPSW.me, is this the same thing, if not can ya explain how to download.
storm ridge
@vapid dock where is the guide
fleet parcel
@storm ridge http://joshtv.net/Guides/downgrade4K.html
@vapid dock ah, yes. Alternatively you could use terminal and right-click the link to copy it.. Then just wget (link you copied) -P ~/Desktop
Or cd ~/Desktop curl -O (copied link)
As for this "file from ipsw" what file is that? There was no need for such file?
vapid dock
@fleet parcel
Ok Iāll try terminal method, I can use terminal some what. Lol.
Itās the tvOS 13.4.5 (17L6562) from IPSW.me. I had it downloaded from couple days ago, where I been trying to install this for couple days. Lol. I noticed in the XML file in your link it has the same #ās as the file I downloaded so wasnāt sure if it was same thing or not.
vapid dock
Ok Iām doing something wrong.
storm ridge
@fleet parcel I'm following the guide, I am at the section in Charles to expand https://mesu.apple.com and inside are four sections and each of them say "unknown" ??
fleet parcel
@storm ridge if it says unknown, make sure your apple tv is on Wi-Fi
storm ridge
ahh wait I see there is https://mesu.apple.com/ and http://mesu.apple.com/. The latter is the correct one.
I have three "com_apple_MobileAsset_SoftwareUpdate.xml" files there. Looks like all created today. I guess I should select the latest one
fleet parcel
@storm ridge look for the one that has a globe
that's the one that's connected via Wi-Fi to your Apple TV
after you've spotted the xml, click the last one
I think they're all the same tbh, but I used the last one and it worked
storm ridge
@fleet parcel success! One more to go. btw, I did not have to Reset all Contents and Settings, that saved me a ton of work setting everything up again
can I delete the profile afterwards?
fleet parcel
yes
@storm ridge although charles might screw with your internet.. (did with me) just remove the Wifi connection and make a new one if that happens
but do that after uninstalling it
rain timber
just remove the Charles profile....
you donāt need it after you hit mesu with the locally mapped xml
that will remove the wifi settings you put in place then just set up a new wifi network (or plug in)
otherwise youāre still proxying everything through Charles
storm ridge
@rain timber thanks to you as well for the generous info
rain timber
youāre welcome
rain timber
and youāre welcome too,
fleet parcel
thx
storm ridge
@fleet parcel What did Charles program do to your wifi after? I'd like to avoid renaming my connection since I have so many devices already hooked up
fleet parcel
I believe it changed the proxy.. So whenever I closed Charles and went on Google (for eg) it just couldn't find the server. I even disconnected/reconnected and no-go until I completely removed the connection and added it back
rain timber
you guys know what a proxy is right š
the appletv is sending all traffic through the mac you used
fleet parcel
yupp
rain timber
because of the cert
just remove the certificate after. you donāt need it (and frankly not a good idea to leave a cert signed by some 3rd party company you donāt know anyway)
rain timber
adding anything what?
fleet parcel
certs etc
rain timber
the proxy isnāt going to magically take traffic
fleet parcel
no, it had nothing to do with the traffic from the device
it was charles changing my IP
rain timber
you were seeing traffic from your mac
vapid dock
Ok so followed all directions, dragged profile into ļ£æ config2, trusted it, everything went as it should but I get no pop up in Charles after
@fleet parcel
Iāve double checked my IP address and my ļ£æ box is connected to the WiFi
This is what Charles looks like
fleet parcel
@vapid dock reboot the Apple TV
After installing the profile
After the Apple TV reboots, you'll get a pop-up
vapid dock
Reboot as use the restart option or unplug from power? Iāve been using the restart option and Iām not getting a pop up.
Also I donāt believe my internet is encrypted, I have a password you have to know to get on it, when Iām doing the WiFi settings in AC2 so I need to input my password or could that mess w it.
fleet parcel
Restart your router
Did you follow the steps to setting up via WiFi @vapid dock for the cert?
vapid dock
Yes. The only thing I wasnāt use about was the encrypted part, so I selected any(personal) and inputted the password thatās required to log into my internet, then saved, installed, trusted and restarted the ļ£æ tv, I just donāt get any pop up from Charles
I inputted my network name, everythingās running on that network, I put in my macbooks IPaddress and 8888 for the port, selected manual, selected any(personal) and inputted the password to log into my internet, in the WiFi settings part of it.
Now I rebooted my router
fleet parcel
Did you set your SSID?
vapid dock
Thatās my networks name right? If so then yes
Ok this example of my internet
Network name I chose: Netgear
Password I plug in to connect to it: Amanda1234
I used Netgear as the ssid, I put in my macbooks IP 8888 as the port, then under encrypted I selected any personal and inputted the Amanda 1234.
(Name were changed in example obviously)
If I got into the profile info itās showing my networks name as SSID, Hidden: no, Encryption: Match Network Encryption, autojoin: yes, proxy: manual, server: my macbooks IP, and port:8888.
toxic rose
@fleet parcel - i updated two apple tv 4k to 13.4.5 without any issue but the last one is stuck on 13.3.1 and is unable to find the update (says it is up to date) when i click on software update... it was jailbroken before so maybe that is the issue.. any idea how i can get the update?
fleet parcel
@toxic rose restore rootFS to make updates great again
13.3 is fine, you don't need 13.4.5 (especially beta)
where you are is a stable version @toxic rose, not missing much
vapid dock
Ya if mine was on 13 anything I would b fooling w it. Lol.
fleet parcel
As for you @vapid dock did you reboot the router
vapid dock
A minute ago, still had no change. Iām going to erase everything, close everything down and start from scratch, I have to work a few hours now so Iāll try again this evening.
So after I get the profile installed should I restart the Apple box and my router?
fleet parcel
yes
What happened with me was; I never got the pop-up either
it wasn't until I removed the tvOS 13 beta profile
then disconnected ethernet from my 4K
@vapid dock
vapid dock
So if I donāt get the pop up and I go on in the software update I gets a little respring logo and it starts telling me that itās gonna be another 10 minutes or so I donāt get any kind of message is this normal
fleet parcel
that's just the apple tv downloading the update
that's normal
just don't install it
but you need to see the connection. @vapid dock Did you trust the certificate inside About?
vapid dock
Ok. I didnāt know if it was normal so I backed out and quit. Ya I trusted it.
fleet parcel
maybe turn off the password to your router
vapid dock
Could I b doing the encrypted part wrong in the WiFi settings? If my network required a password is that considered encrypted or should I be leaving that part blank.
fleet parcel
(just temporarily)
then re-do the cert without a password
remove the old one from your ATV, then add the new one and reboot
vapid dock
Ok I will try this when I get home this afternoon.
fleet parcel
ok
tacit egret
kinda good?
undone vine
Trying to re jailbreak my ATV4 using ra1nbox and getting usbmux error, do you know what the meaning of this error? Im on 13.4.5
Also tried jb using my mac checkra1n 0.10.2 , it finished the JB but the isnt any JoshTV or other cydia replacement alternative.. what am i doing wrong?
undone vine
Manged to jb.. but pressing the Done button does not respring.. I think checkra1n is not suitable for ATV till this bug is fixed..
fleet parcel
@undone vine did you respring manually?
undone vine
How do i do it manually? There is only restart oprtion in the settings..
fleet parcel
@undone vine Use nitoV
JoshTV is a repo for nitoTV. NitoTV is the package manager for Apple TV
undone vine
@fleet parcel nitoTV icon does not apear.. i guess the first respring is in order for the nitotv to appear?
fleet parcel
When you first initiate checkra1n, it'll take a moment or two (even a few minutes) for the Apple TV to launch the checkra1n loader
did you see such loader pop-up on your TV @undone vine ?
undone vine
@fleet parcel yes it finished the download and asked to te spring using the done button
But the done button did not worked..
undone vine
@fleet parcel do you know what is the root/pass fir atv4 ssh? Can i initiate respring using ssh?
fleet parcel
alpine is the password
that's what you type in when SSHing into your Apple TV via IP address @undone vine
undone vine
Is that the commend?: ākillall -9 SpringBoardā
undone vine
Thanks! Will try it
fleet parcel
if not... ldrestart to refresh everything
rain timber
good god
fleet parcel
?
rain timber
i just read all that stuff with amanda, restarting the router, download the update etc? you don't need/want it to download the 13.4.6 update, you just need to trigger the connection so the proxy sees the url
password etc. doesn't matter either, you're just creating a cert with the wifi info
fleet parcel
okay?
rain timber
none of that is the problem she's having
fleet parcel
then what is the issue?
rain timber
she Did Something Wrongā¢
fleet parcel
Well, to determine what was done wrong, running down basic troubleshooting can help in the event of a mistake
rain timber
i guess, but that's sort of like saying "shit, you bought the wrong kind of cheese. better make sure the car you drove to the store is okay" - she needs to just go through the steps correctly..configurator is just adding a wifi profile with the credentials and a trust cert for charles, if she has network connectivity (and also she isn't taking 30.5 minutes to do this, because if she does and Charles has timed out, that proxy is dead and she will get 13.4.6)
i think also to say "if your network has encryption" -- lay people know the term "if your wifi has a password"
is probably unnecessarily confusing to some people
also possible to do this using mitmproxy
"A rough guide: 1. install mitmproxy 2. configure mitmproxy with transparent mode 3. download 13.4.5 xml, save https://pastebin.com/vNq3Stb4 as tls_passthrough.py, and save https://pastebin.com/2H1eHiX0 as tvos.py 4. run mitmdump --mode transparent --showhost --ssl-insecure --set stream_large_bodies=3m -s tls_passthough.py -s tvos.py 5. in apple TV WiFi setting, modify gateway ip to the one that mitmproxy service is running.
I did it on a linux machine to upgrade my apple TV to 13.4.5." might be easier for some people, you can install mitmproxy through homebrew on a mac
fleet parcel
i guess, but that's sort of like saying "shit, you bought the wrong kind of cheese. better make sure the car you drove to the store is okay"
@rain timber No, its like saying "oh, the cheese you bought isn't that good. Is it expired? opened?" but I get your analogy
analog elk
Anyone interested in buying my Apple TV 4HD? Itās an excellent condition with the Siri remote and original box and obviously itās still on 13.4.5
Iām listening to offers
It would ship from New York City US PS priority
fleet parcel
@analog elk why not keep it?
analog elk
I know this is sacrilege but I like my Roku ultra
rain timber
damn, if that was a 4K Iād be on it and would do local pickup
@fleet parcel the connection is the vehicle, the cheese so the file. the persons internet connection wouldnt be the problem, the rotten cheese (certificate) would be.
fleet parcel
@rain timber ngl, you're making me hungry
rain timber
same
storm ridge
@rain timber @fleet parcel I'm following the guide on my second 4k box (currently on 12.4). The first 4k box updated perfectly without a hitch. But on this second one I'm having issues. When I get to the section in Charles to Enable SSL Proxying I notice it is already enabled? I continued on anyway, and when I go to map the local path of the new XML file, it is already showing what I had before. I changed the path just to be sure but in the end I do not get a 13.4.5 install prompt (I get 13.4.6 instead?). So, I started fresh over again on a new network, but this time I do not get a connection prompt in Charles at all after loading the certificate in ATV and rebooting. Is this a cache issue or something?
fleet parcel
Looks like you're still connected to the other device..
make a whole new cert @storm ridge
storm ridge
I did all the steps over
fleet parcel
is the other apple tv powered down?
storm ridge
Ok let me unplug it... actually I'll take it off the network and save re-jailbreaking
fleet parcel
storm ridge
ya, doesn't want to work, it seems Charles is storing cache files. The other strange thing is I caught the ATV actually in the process of downloading 13.4.6 even though I did not accept the install so cancelled it
fleet parcel
Ah, @storm ridge try a vm?
storm ridge
Also I did not get the connection prompt again from Charles even with my other device off the network.
fleet parcel
@storm ridge Did you reboot the device after adding the certificate?
Also, the device can't be on ethernet, must be WiFi
storm ridge
Yes, followed instructions step by step.... I whipped through the first box update no problem. This one is a mystery
yes all on wifi. Only other thing I could try is another mac with a new Charles install and see what that does.
so vm you mean Mac running on Windows? I don't have that setup, just another mac
fleet parcel
No
@storm ridge I mean a mac running another mac
a fresh install
you could also use CleanMyMac to uninstall Charles
storm ridge
well I can use another Mac, install Charles fresh on that and try it
fleet parcel
then re-install to see if the caches get cleared
rain timber
you donāt need to do any of that
same cert, all that cert is doing is telling your appletv the wireless network, and security cert to Charles
i could put your cert on my apple tv to get on your wireless
fleet parcel
i could put your cert on my apple tv to get on your wireless
doubt it
storm ridge
hmm, so not sure why it's not seeing 13.4.5 then when my other box worked fine
rain timber
I guarantee it. thatās how management works
if I am deploying 1000 appletvs I make a mobileconfig profile and dump it to 1000 appletvs
the appletv doesnāt give a shit if I own it or you own it
restart the appletv a few times? restore rootfs if you can, make sure you have no other certificates installed
make sure Charles didnāt time out
restart
I had issues with mine initially as well (the hd)
storm ridge
Is Charles required to give a prompt after the ATV restarts, because mine is not
storm ridge
hmm, it does not
rain timber
check if there is a way to reset Charles?
fleet parcel
The way I reset charles is by doing a complete uninstall
rain timber
that would be one way
just use appdelete to see where the config files are, or check ~/Library/Caches and the other usual places
Library/Application support
storm ridge
maybe I just use another mac for now and see if it works
rain timber
seems excessive but sure
the only step you need to re-create for the second one is copying the .mobileconfig and making sure you set the certificated to trusted
storm ridge
by the way I have not done restore rootfs yet, I did not have to do it on my other box until the very end before updating
rain timber
the files are all the same, the ONLY THING they are doing is saying āhey, when you request bla.xml from mesu.apple.com, give me the files from the local xml insteadā - anything not working in that scenario would be the appletv speaking to Charles correctly, which I think is probably the result of maybe the 13.4.6 being cached locally already
do the restore rootfs
rain timber
unless you tell the jailbreak to allow the update
thatās what I had to do
which now makes me realize thats probably what is going on.
anyway, restore rootfs and try again.
I think the restore rootfs function isnāt actually implemented in chimera, which is what caused me some annoyance.. but I tried it a few times and made sure I didnāt have any tweaks blocking updates, and that I checked in nito to allow updates
storm ridge
ok I will run restore rootfs but how is it downloading 13.4.6 though which I caught half way thru
rain timber
donāt click āupdate laterā
just back out when it asks
but if you restore rootfs it shouldnāt matter anyway
storm ridge
@fleet parcel should I restore rootfs with Disable Auto Updates on or off?
fleet parcel
won't matter
rain timber
doesnāt matter
storm ridge
I'm using u0 the latest b3 and it's backwards apparently
rain timber
you want to be able to update. you just want the appletv to get itās update information from Charles not apple
yeah
fleet parcel
it is
rain timber
set it to off
but that doesnāt matter until after you are instaldc
worry about the update to 13.4.5 first
fleet parcel
tis a bug, but just restore rootfs and your updates will be free
although, i'm still trying to figure out if this is beta.. or offic
rain timber
itās not
build numbers are different. also youāre not on the beta update channel if you donāt have the beta update channel profile
look at the xml
find your device id
then you can see what the xml file is telling the server to send, which is the ota .zip of 13.4.5
storm ridge
I restored, still have a nito ghost white icon left though
rain timber
the file checks which build you are currently on, and then gives you the appropriate delta update
thatās fine
now start from step whatever, copy your mobileconfig over, trust the cert, make sure Charles is running - you donāt need to configure Charles again, you already did
storm ridge
I delete the configs, I'll just follow the steps again now
rain timber
except Charles, which is already configured
storm ridge
No luck still getting 13.4.6 install, only thing I can try is another mac or wipe the Charles info off of the first mac.
rain timber
have you at least tried restarting the mac? are you seeing any connections from the applefv
to the Charles instance
storm ridge
I back out and when I check again it's downloading, and asks me if I want to cancel but I don't know which version it's doing, I'm thinking it's 13.4.6
storm ridge
I wonder if apple has redirected the download?
analog elk
lol I was wondering wtf that is about Charles Proxy only running for 30 minutes... apparently itās a limitation of the free version
just use Fiddler tbh
storm ridge
So just restarting and now with Charles not running when I go and check ATV updates out of curiosity I just get a spinning wheel that it's searching, no updates or anything, very strange.
fleet parcel
@storm ridge checking updates is fine
just dont download and install unless it says 13.4.5 š
@storm ridge also, use CleanMyMac and uninstall charles
then re-install and re-make the cert
vapid dock
Well Iāve been at it again for an hour, if I donāt include my internet password in the WiFi setting then my ļ£æ tv is disconnected from the WiFi and when I attempt to connect it just says I have wrong password. I donāt know y this wonāt work, Iām following this tutorial to a T.
fleet parcel
which tut?
vapid dock
I followed yours twice and then this one twice.
fleet parcel
did you disable wifi password?
vapid dock
No I canāt do that.
fleet parcel
why not?
vapid dock
I donāt know. The guy that hooked up the router put in the network name and password, I donāt know how to access anything about the router.
frigid moat
have you tried putting your router's ip address into a web browser
the password's probably admin š
look up the manual for your router, grab the default user/pass from that.
log in via web and change the WPA password
vapid dock
No I know what my password is, thatās not the issue, I made another config file w the any(personal) and the password and installing that one keeps the ļ£æ tv on the network.
No I havenāt tried that @frigid moat, I can try that. My password shouldnāt be a problem, Iām putting it in right.
fleet parcel
Do you have any profiles currently installed on the Apple TV?
vapid dock
Nope, made sure it was wiped prior to attempting.
fleet parcel
and are you jailbroken?
vapid dock
No, this box has never been JB.
fleet parcel
@vapid dock try to uninstall Charles entirely. You can use CleanMyMac
then just re-install and start fresh
vapid dock
Would not being in most up to date version on Mac be an issue.
Clean my Mac. Is that in App Store
vapid dock
Ok. Iām on the last version before Catalina, so I should be good there.
So do.i need to trash the certificate and config file Iāve already created as well
fleet parcel
I wonder if Catalinas causing issues... š¤
vapid dock
Iām not on Catalina, Iām on Mojave 10.14.6.
vapid dock
Ok trashing everything and running clean my Mac.
rain timber
the router password is not the issue.
ffs donāt use clean my mac
those āutilitiesā are garbage and cause more shit than they solve
if you need to delete a cache, delete the cache. donāt go deleting shit that you have no idea what it is because one application isnāt doing what you think it should when there are other variables at play
at quick glance ādeletes caches, LOG FILESā why would log files 1.) be a problem 2.) be something youād want to delete? youāre trying to solve a problem. thatās what logs are for
Iād bet the farm you missed a step.
vapid dock
Ok so I reset the ļ£æ tv, trashed everything on the MacBook and started over. I paired tv w Xcode, opened Charles, port was 8888, saved the certificate as .cer, opened AC2, new profile, I did the certificate, under WiFi settings I did SSID, manual, my macs IPaddress, port 8888, any(personal) then my WiFi password and saved config. I dragged and dropped into AC2, installed, truested and restarted AppleTv4k, I now have option for auto beta updates (which never happened before) so something different happened this time. Iām still not getting any pop up or anything.
@fleet parcel
fleet parcel
@rain timber ftr: cleanmymac isn't a 'garbage' utility, its actually very comprehensive and user-friendly
vapid dock
Iāve literally done this process for hours, followed 2 different tutorials, and triple checked my steps as I did them, I donāt see anything Iām missing.
fleet parcel
auto beta updates...
rain timber
I cant do this on my phone.just hold on a minute until I get home.i want to check something.
vapid dock
None. Only thing on my box besides stock out the box how it comes is the config file I just installed w AC2
fleet parcel
is your 4K on wifi? or is it plugged in via ethernet?
fleet parcel
ok, the little blue earth icons are your 4K
unless you have another device connected via wifi
vapid dock
Other devices as in anything? I have lots of cell phones and smart tv connected WiFi, but nothing ļ£æ tv related besides this 4K.
And my MacBook Pro of course.
rain timber
and none of that matters, because the proxy only proxies things that you say "go through this proxy"
storm ridge
@vapid dock @fleet parcel I found out the Charles prompt to connect to the ATV is handled under Access Control Settings under the Proxy menu. After my initial prompt I could no longer get prompts. I found out by deleting my computer IP address then I would get the prompt again
storm ridge
@fleet parcel @rain timber I installed Charles on a new computer and got the prompt... this time reading it carefully haha... anyway I still got the 13.4.6 update š«
storm ridge
@rain timber I did yes
fleet parcel
What about Reset all contents
storm ridge
I think my last option before Apple probably closes the window next week is to reset all contents and settings on the device, set up as new and try that way. I think there might be a partial download of 13.4.6 on it that is interfering
rain timber
shouldn't have to, but shouldn't hurt either as long as you're not jailbroken at the time
@storm ridge possible. thats why i said dont click "update later" because that downloads the update.
just back out
fleet parcel
resetting all contents and settings was necessary to update after being jailbroken when you do restore root fs
rain timber
so now you've got a cached 13.4.6 that it'll want to install.
storm ridge
@fleet parcel I really wanted to avoid resetting, this morning my other 4k updated like a charm without all that.
rain timber
i dunno, i got good responses from the people that used my tutorial i posted on reddit.
storm ridge
@rain timber I can still SSH in, is there a place to locate it and trash it?
rain timber
probably
fleet parcel
makes no difference to reset an apple tv, there's no user data on it really.. just saved games etc
vapid dock
Ok my WiFi on my MacBook says WPA/WOA2personal, thatās an option Iām the WiFi settings on AC2, should I be choosing that instead of any(personal)
rain timber
not sure where tvOS keeps updates
but yeah like @fleet parcel said, who cares?
not like you're going to lose anything really
@vapid dock yes
fleet parcel
and 13.4.6 was cached for me, but still popped-up with 13.4.5
rain timber
what is the model identifier of your AppleTV, have you looked at the xml to see that it's listed? im wondering if there is a chance you are using an ATV that isn't eligible or something
or if there isn't an OTA delta available for your specific tvOS version, etc. etc.
vapid dock
Ok let me try that then.
storm ridge
@rain timber Your tutorial and @fleet parcel is good, I believe it's a cached download of 13.4.6
rain timber
(make sure you put the cert in)
@storm ridge i mean it's the only variable i can't account for
did you see a connection being made in Charles when you click the software update button?
basically what would be helpful to know is if the device is even being sent through the proxy
because if we know it's not, then we know it's hitting apple's server directly and you're gonna have a bad time
storm ridge
@rain timber yes, every time I clicked update I got a new "com_apple_MobileAsset_SoftwareUpdate.xml" file
rain timber
if you SEE the connection come through, then we start troubleshooting from there, why is the HTTP response not mapping locally
so pick one, right click and select "clear others"
then right click that one (you should only have one connection there now) and do the local mapping
storm ridge
and then I would see one created on it's own without me clicking and that's how I noticed it was downloading something without my input
rain timber
right, so i am wondering if the connection is being made before you made the change?
did you reboot the AppleTV after you mapped charles to the local file?
storm ridge
hmmm, I remember I did that this morning after I made the connect I rebooted first but not on this second one, I should do that
actually scrap this comment... the first ATV I checked for an update it said 13.4.5, I rebooted, ran restore rootFS, then updated
rain timber
shit these days connects to whatever thefuck it wants whenever the fuck it wants so i wouldn't be surprised if the atv already had a connection open to the actual apple server xml file before you saved and told it to connect
i run OpenWRT/PiHole for my network here, and holy christ, i opened my new 16" MBP and i had (im not exaggerating) 165 hits to various domains as soon as i opened it - all from this computer, before i did anything with it. the reboot is an important step because it's sort of 'virginizing' the outgoing connections, closing anything that is already open
i might buy a copy of charles tbh
this is pretty sweet
actually what was that other one someone mentioned
storm ridge
"did you reboot the AppleTV after you mapped charles to the local file?"
So, are you suggesting after I map the file, should I try rebooting a few times then checking for the update?
rain timber
basically reboot your appletv every time you click a button.
storm ridge
woah, that's a lot of reboots but I could try it
rain timber
you need to trigger the connection from the appletv so you can map the local file, then reboot
you don't want connections to apple's servers existing prior to you trying to run the update with the locally mapped file
storm ridge
assuming I don't have a cached 13.4.6 version on there already
rain timber
well again, we're not sure that's the problem
@fleet parcel said he had it there and it worked.
fleet parcel
yeah
rain timber
whether it was a complete download, etc., i dont know
but im saying it's possible that if it's there, "why would i go to the internet, i have it at home" - it's how caching servers work
fleet parcel
what helps: once the download completes (for 13.4.6) click "Update Software" then the button will turn from "install later" to "Cancel install"
fleet parcel
you'll get another prompt to remove the update
rain timber
i noped the fuck out
so my inclination is to say it doesn't matter
in fact
here's why it doesn't matter
(i think)
let's say you have 13.4.6 cached
the appletv is still going to check to see if there is something newer
fleet parcel
but technically 13.4.5 isn't newer
rain timber
so i think it's going to try to make that connection attempt regardless
no, but you're using the XML file for 13.4.5
that's the secret sauce of the operation
storm ridge
@fleet parcel yes I hit Cancel once, but on other instances it just starts on its own
rain timber
appletv is coded to say "check for updates" it checks, mesu.apple.com comes back with the xml file that apple puts there saying "hey apple tv, 13.4.6 is current" then it checks from your configurtion which 13.4.6 update to send you.
when you map the local XML file that you download, it hits there server, the http RESPONSE comes back, but instead of sending the xml response apple gives, it gives the mapped one to 13.4.5
so then appletv says "okay, well, for appletv5,2 with 12.4, i need eorneroin459045v4jn4oin5.zip" and it downloads 13.4.5
hence MITM (man in the middle)
fleet parcel
this could also work with any other fw, given the right data for an XML
rain timber
correct
the reason this works, is because apple isn't in a hurry to stop singing OTA frmwares.
fleet parcel
prob is.. Apple's gunna encrypt it now
rain timber
because you "cant" do anything with them
rain timber
however, now we see that you can do something with them
storm ridge
I just checked IPSW and they are listing my device as upgrading OTA still 16M568
rain timber
they're still signing the OTA for 10.2.2.
rain timber
may 20th, when was that
fleet parcel
I even told KB that 10.2.2 will be signed forever
rain timber
I've been working from home for 3 months i don't know what the hell day it is today
rain timber
yeah it's nuts
i've gone in like once a week or every couple weeks just to do some stuff that i can't do from home but like damn
fleet parcel
Although; if you're on any 13.x firmware, you don't need to update
this is mainly if you're on 10 - 12
rain timber
I racked 2 GPU nodes last week, and then friday a pipe broke or something above the IDF room they were in and flooded both of those, and 2 ceph nodes. lost aboutttt I dunno, $350,000 worth of compute equipment. 180 x 12TB harddrives flooded (and some melted)
didnāt even have a chance to put them into production
fleet parcel
I love how societys like: "Ain't nobody got time for that" but now we be like "I'm bored... can we go outside now?"
rain timber
hehe
i feel like my life has been preparing me for this for years.. i pretty much just go home from working on computers all day to play on computers at home, and walk my dog.
fleet parcel
what type of dog?
rain timber
American Staffordshire Terrier
https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/american-staffordshire-terrier/ - except this page says 40-50 lbs and my lard ass dog is like 80, and he's also not that smart.. not as smart as my last one, i'd say. very sweet tho.
fleet parcel
guard dog
rain timber
hardly
he's actually completely blind
people have come in and he doesn't even get off the couch
"eh, whatever"
checking out Fiddler
ew
this wants me to create an account
fleet parcel
what does?
rain timber
was hoping it would be a little more straight forward an option for people to try without the timeout in Charles
Fiddler
eh fuck it
can't be bothered - i think charles is better imo
fleet parcel
charles is good.. when purchased
storm ridge
well tried again, rebooting after every click, deleting extra MobileAsset_SoftwareUpdate.xml files, no change. Charles shows that my XML is locally mapped but it just doesn't seem to want to work.
fleet parcel
gotta love the re-initializing after searching for my device š
why are you deleting the xml files?
rain timber
@storm ridge which device is this again?
ATV4K? or HD?
(more specifically, do you know your device identifier)
rain timber
both coming from the same tvOS?
vapid dock
Ok well I give up. I reset the Apple TV, I erased my WiFi settings and logged in again on Mac, I started fresh w new everything, tried the tutorial on reddit this time too, using terminal to install, and still same results. I donāt know what Iām doing wrong.
Iām on 12.1.2, would this be different since Iām not on 12.4? I wouldnāt think so but I donāt know either.
vapid dock
Iām not getting that pop up and I never have gotten it, ever.
rain timber
so then what it sounds like
well wait
but you DO see the traffic from your ATV to the Charles proxy?
vapid dock
I donāt know. I have this in Charles right now, and this after installing profile, trusting, restarting ļ£æ tv, selecting update software and backing out of it
storm ridge
@rain timber 4K
rain timber
the reason i am asking is, i am trying to establish that your apple tv's traffic is in fact going through the proxy at all.
storm ridge
@fleet parcel actually I have 4 š¤ , so 3 out of 4 ain't bad
fleet parcel
all 4Ks on 12.4 @storm ridge?
rain timber
from that screenshot, i don't see anything indicating that it is really.
fleet parcel
*were on
rain timber
12.1.2 should work fine, they are still signing the OTA for that
storm ridge
@rain timber yes, all my boxes were on Chimera 12.4. But, some originally were on Electra before that and even 10 before that
fleet parcel
@vapid dock go to your Network inside System prefs
close down charles
delete your Wifi connection
re-make it
restart charles
storm ridge
probably one stubborn file in the system
rain timber
i'd prefer no wifi at all for the moment
plug it in to ethernet, create the wifi profile
vapid dock
So erase my whole WiFi
rain timber
upload the wifi profile WITH the cert for charles
fleet parcel
yea
rain timber
that way we know for sure that the mobileconfig profile is installed
because otherwise there would be no wifi connection present
storm ridge
@fleet parcel all my boxes are now on 13.4.5 except this one last stubborn 4k box on 12.4
rain timber
or if you have 2 SSIDs you could use a different SSID.
vapid dock
So leave the cert I made in Charles on desktop and create a new WiFi connection?
fleet parcel
yes
rain timber
create a new wifi connection where?
vapid dock
Ok WiFi is gone. Now what.
rain timber
jesus h christ
fleet parcel
add a new one
devout estuary
Anyone know if Romulator is working on 13.4.5? I never installed it on previous versions but it crashes every time I click on it and then the ātweaksā section in settings disappears completely until I respring.
vapid dock
Ok created new WiFiās connection
rain timber
i'd like to know the rationale behind this approach. do we think she's on a different wifi network or something?
storm ridge
gents will take another crack at'r tmr, have a good one
rain timber
night
the computer is seemingly online with no problem, right?
and we have an IP address, and it's working, she has a screenshot of connections
the internet on the computer is not the issue here
leave that alone.
what we need to establish right now is one thing. is. the. ATV. using. the. mac. as. a. proxy.
that is currently the only thing we need to establish. we do that by removing any and every certificate/mobileconfig profile/beta profile etc. you have installed on the ATV. You create the .mobileconfig profile by using Apple Configurator 2, putting the .cer that you got from Charles when you exported it, and putting in the correct wifi settings.
once you have that, let me know.
vapid dock
Yes it connected to WiFi fine and the IP address is the same as it has been.
devout estuary
And more importantly how do I stop this if jailbroken on 13.4.5?
fleet parcel
@devout estuary in unc0ver, turn OFF "Disable Auto Updates"
rain timber
what i am wondering is
devout estuary
Hold on I have to resign in Xcode.
rain timber
you are positive that in Apple Configurator, when you're making the wifi profile, you clicked on certificates
and added the .cer you made from Charles?
the .mobileconfig you are preparing has 2 things
it has a certificate of trust for the connection to charles, and your wifi settings.
@devout estuary the toggle is mislabeled - set it to off and re-jailbreak
fleet parcel
fleet parcel
Thats pretty standard
rain timber
changing the toggle doesn't change the current config - if you don't re-jailbreak it will prompt until you redo it
fleet parcel
@rain timber I was meaning that re-jailbreaking is pretty standard when using u0's settings
rain timber
you have 2 payloads configured, right?
vapid dock
Ok I opened Charles, selected proxy,proxy settings, checked that port is 8888, selected ok.
In Charles I select help, SSL Proxying, Save Charles Root Certificate, Save as: 4Kcert, in: Desktop, selected .cer and save, this installed the named cert to my desktop, left Charles running and Opened AC2, selected new profile, select Certificate from left side window, configure, select cert from Charles on my desktop, open, select WiFi from left side window, configure, I enter my networks name just as its spelt in SSID, proxy set to manual, macs IP address and port 8888 inputted, security type and password inputted, file, save, saved as: X.mobileconfig, to:Desktop
WiFi setting page
fleet parcel
your SSID is called P wireless?
rain timber
lol whack ssid but w/e
paper grove
hello I need help because at the time of putting the user anon will not let me put the password
vapid dock
Now I did notice when I remove the last installed profile from my Apple TV (before starting this last attempt) I had to connect back to my WiFi, if this tells ya anything.
rain timber
you need to be a hell of a lot more specific bro
@vapid dock when you removed it, you lost your wifi network?
vapid dock
Yes like on my phone or MacBook or if ya run a scan it comes up P Wireless
rain timber
ok
so all of that looks/sounds right.
now
you have x.mobileconfig on your desktop
can you do something (my way)
open a terminal
vapid dock
I will try.
fleet parcel
@paper grove the password will seem invisible
this is normal, just type it in as you see it and hit "enter"
fleet parcel
altdeploy
vapid dock
Ok it says
Serving HTTP on 0.0.0.0. port 8000...
rain timber
i should do some spring cleaning
great
ok
now go to your apple tv
currently, is it jailbroken?
fleet parcel
no
vapid dock
No itās just out the box, stock
vapid dock
Ok
rain timber
Settings > General > Privacy
scroll down to "Share Apple TV Analytics"
it should be set to off
vapid dock
It is
rain timber
then press the play/pause button on your remote
vapid dock
Ok
rain timber
now click "Add Profile"
fleet parcel
doing it from url?
rain timber
let me know when you've done that
vapid dock
Done it
rain timber
for the address
vapid dock
Ready
rain timber
rain timber
i want to do it this way because i want to know for a fact that you can see 192.168.50.24 from your appletv.
@fleet parcel doesn't work for who?
fleet parcel
me
rain timber
no shit it doesn't, are you on her network?
192.168.50.24 is the IP address of her mac (per the config she created and screenshotted)
fleet parcel
wow..
rain timber
192.168.xx.xx is local IP subnet
robust token
so is 172.16.0.0/12
rain timber
@vapid dock anyway, let me know when you've done that
vapid dock
Ok typed it in and hit done and I have the install option now.
rain timber
i use 192.168.0.x out of nostalgia
you have subnets?
every tcp/ip network has subnets
rain timber
you mean vlans?
rain timber
@vapid dock ok - install
vapid dock
Ok installed and headed to trust it.
vapid dock
Ok ya want me to.trust it?
rain timber
i will tell you exactly what i want you to do
vapid dock
Ok
vapid dock
Ok
vapid dock
Yes
rain timber
and you see your x.mobileconfig there
vapid dock
Ya itās untitled but ya all the info I inputted is there
vapid dock
Ok
rain timber
you connected to P wireless?
vapid dock
Yep
rain timber
ok, close out of that, open anything that will indicate you are online
netflix w/e
i am checking to make sure the wireless network part of your mobileconfig is correct, that you're connected and get online from your appletv.
we dont have the luxury of ping and traceroute so we'll make do
even anything like signing in to icloud, doesn't matter just making sure you're actually online
im sorry if this feels pedantic
vapid dock
Ok I got Hulu and Netflix to install from App Store
vapid dock
Ok awesome.
rain timber
now, Settings > General
wherever the trust cert thing is i can't remember specifically
(btw, you can control+c in the terminal window with the web server running in it, we don't need that anymore)
vapid dock
General >about >certificate trust settings
vapid dock
Reboot as in restart in settings or something else
vapid dock
Ok rebooted
rain timber
ok go back to General >about >certificate trust settings
and make sure it says trusted
vapid dock
Ok it does
rain timber
great
now open Charles
if it was open already, quit it and restart it
i want the full 30m
vapid dock
Ya it tinder out and I had to open again
vapid dock
Damn spellcheck lol
vapid dock
I donāt even know what tinder is
rain timber
ahh then the joke is lost. tinder is a dating app
vapid dock
Ya couple things
vapid dock
Oh. Lol ya Iād never do a dating app. Lol.
rain timber
on the appleTV, go to Settings > System
vapid dock
š
rain timber
scroll down and hit "Software Updates" once
after it spins, it'll say 13.4.6 is available
just hit the menu button to back out. don't select anything
vapid dock
It spun and started downloading, I hit cancel?
rain timber
and now in Charles, you should have seen a couple .apple.com urls show up
cancel whatever you're doing cancel it
vapid dock
rain timber
all we are doing right now is triggering a connection attempt
vapid dock
Ok canceled
vapid dock
Ok
rain timber
what Model, tvOS version?
i want to know why you have "get beta updates"
i've never seen that before
vapid dock
Model A1842 tvOS 12.1.2
vapid dock
Donāt know, it just started showing up a coupon attempts ago.
rain timber
and was this registered as a development ATV?
weird
absolutely no idea what that's about.
vapid dock
I have a free account, I think I registered for something a while back, related to my JB iPhone
rain timber
the .xml you're using is the same i linked to in my post on reddit?
vapid dock
Same one josh linked to
fleet parcel
Go to Settings is there a "Developer" tab?
rain timber
^
well there would be if it's paired through xcode
i have a developer tab, but i've never seen "get beta updates" before
fleet parcel
nah
rain timber
hell, i'd be curious to see what that would do
fleet parcel
i'm paired on Xcode and have no dev tab
rain timber
dunno, i am and do
fleet parcel
its when you sign in with an Apple ID registered to Apple Developer
rain timber
ah
fleet parcel
Register/enrolled
rain timber
that makes sense
and my (only) appleid is also a paid developer account
well, i guess paid/free wouldnt make a difference
fleet parcel
@vapid dock sign out of your Apple ID.. bet the beta updates will disappear
vapid dock
Ok so I have to do a terminal command to get that downloaded, I think thatās how I did the one earlier
rain timber
the .xml?
you can just right click > save as
i wish there was a jailbreak tweak to make the AppleTV remote not suck an entire bag of dicks
i hate this thing so much
fleet parcel
wip
rain timber
and the phone app isn't much better
vapid dock
Well.o signed out but they didnāt disappear. Your right. I had a different iCloud account on this box and when I reset it I used my regular iCloud and thatās when that better option popped up.
rain timber
@fleet parcel rilly??
@vapid dock ok - well, let's pretend it doesn't matter right now because it probably doesn't
so you've got the xml
you've got your AppleTV currently configured via Wifi to send your internet traffic through your Mac
you do not have an ethernet cable plugged in
you dont have any kind of dns filtering on your network, ie pihole
fleet parcel
although her VPN is bugging me...
rain timber
you have a regular ass cable modem plugged in to a regular ass wifi router called "P wireless"
wait wut
VPN?
fleet parcel
the VPN shown in her settings
fleet parcel
vapid dock
Got file, do not have Ethernet hooked up, yes I have a router that gives me WiFi and thatās all. No I donāt have an VPN.
rain timber
oh
that's not connected then it's not a concern
ok
good so now
let's go to Charles
vapid dock
Ok
rain timber
restart your appletv first
while it's restarting, restart Charles
i want the first packet your AppleTV sends after rebooting to go through Charles.
steep galleon
@fleet parcel you said turn off disable auto update
fleet parcel
yes
steep galleon
Then retail break
fleet parcel
yup
steep galleon
Rejailbreak
vapid dock
Ok both back up
steep galleon
Do I turn that back on?
fleet parcel
no
steep galleon
Shouldnāt I want disable auto updates on?
fleet parcel
No, its a bug
steep galleon
Ohhh
fleet parcel
Off means On
steep galleon
Lol š
vapid dock
Ok
rain timber
it
steep galleon
That makes lots of sense
rain timber
its like "dont not enable updates"
rain timber
@vapid dock once you're there, you're going to press the software update button one time, and then click the menu button to back out of it.
this is going to send a request to apple's update server to check for updates
vapid dock
Ok done
rain timber
which will appear in charles, because all of your internet on the ATV is going through Charles rn
ok
now
at the bottom you can filter
.apple.com
vapid dock
Ok
rain timber
type .apple.com in the filter: box
vapid dock
Ok. Done
vapid dock
vapid dock
Tennessee
fleet parcel
good moonshine
vapid dock
Ya we have that. For sure.
rain timber
i could go for some Angel's Envy
vapid dock
Got little in back of fridge.
rain timber
ok you don't see gdmf.apple.com ?
vapid dock
Nope
vapid dock
This what I got
vapid dock
Lol. All day itās done this guys. Not shitting ya. Iām about to throw the bitch in the trash. Lol.
Thanks.
fleet parcel
i blame your us isp
vapid dock
I see mesu but never the other
rain timber
ok
gdmf.apple.com is the server that checks for software updates for MDM managed devices.
mesu.apple.com stores sofrware update catalogs
i don't know how important gdmf.apple.com is in this scenario
but
vapid dock
In previous attempts Iād have the mesu one but the subdolder was labeled āunknownā.
rain timber
go into Charles > Proxy > SSL Proxying Settings
add gmdf
i don't think you actually need mesu, that request i believe comes over http not https
but i want you to hit that update button a few more times
update/cancel
vapid dock
Ok added and I hit the update /cancel about 10 times
The beta updates are gone tho. Lol.
rain timber
ok - and in Charles, do you see anything?
looking for those 2 domains specifically
vapid dock
Nope. Just same 1 from earlier.
rain timber
ok with Charles still open
fleet parcel
gunna need some of that moonshine after this
fleet parcel
fleet parcel
if push comes to shove and you can't update this way, you'll have 3 options:
Option 1. Jailbreak it on its current firmware
Option 2. Wait for the next semi-untether (most likely tvOS 14)
Option 3. Update to the latest, buy the cables and use Checkra1n
vapid dock
I appreciate ya help. My phones dead, Iām frustrated to level that is unexplainable, and my Mac is at 8% battery. Iām just going to put it back in itās box, maybe Iāll have better luck on iOS 14. If not I can just keep using my HD boxes. I knew they was a reason I kept HD versions for my TVās. Lol.
fleet parcel
plug in your mac, go get yourself some of that moonshine and sleep on it
Apples not shutting the window anytime soon
rain timber
damn it, i was having fun
fleet parcel
If I could, I'd help relax you with a massage (totally simping š ) but you do need something relaxing
vapid dock
I have all 3 my HD boxes on 13.5, all my phone on 13.5 and watch updated to whatever so having the 4K on 13. something would be nice. Iāll sleep a while, been up for 2 days at this point anyways, maybe try it again tomorrow. I like troubleshooting and getting it but this one has be done in for the night. Lol.
rain timber
oof
fleet parcel
4K is finicky.. Apples made it that way
the HD is as close to a 4K as you're going to get in terms of simplicity
vapid dock
Believe me if the kid wasnāt home Iād call a friend to come cover and weād b in the shine, but the kids here so no fun tonight.
Ya Iām totally happy w the HD models. I actually sold my 1st 4K but this one was dirt cheap so I got another one. Lol.
Figured I could flip it or keep it to play w
rain timber
that's wht im thinking about doing
rain timber
i'd like to upgrade my HD in the bedroom which is connected to a 120" DLP
my 4K is connected to my regular TV in the living room
fleet parcel
I'll be jailbreaking tvOS 14 once Apple announces it
rain timber
i just don't know if 4K will make that much of a difference
fleet parcel
tvOS 14 does if/when 13 is EOL for HD
fleet parcel
tvOS 13 is laggy on 4/HD
rain timber
while i still have a (very likely) chance of getting one that is JBable
hm, i guess that answers that
ha
nocturne socket
why
fleet parcel
hi cam
nocturne socket
šæ
fleet parcel
piracy?
rain timber
is that what it is?
fleet parcel
whom?
nocturne socket
@fleet parcel how come they always ask you
nocturne socket
fleet parcel
bypassing
rain timber
i don't know what that is
fleet parcel
piracy
rain timber
oh
fleet parcel
torrenting on Apple TV
fleet parcel
Yeah, its no good
rain timber
but then i was amused by the fact that my message disappeared so i figured it was an auto-filter
so i typed it 3 more times to watch it disappear
fleet parcel
its a good way to get your ISP shut down
nocturne socket
rain timber
i feel like if you can't figure that shit out yourself you don't deserve it anyway
fleet parcel
I feel like whomever made that app should be put in jail
robust token
what app
rain timber
yeah i dunno
fleet parcel
what app
@robust token
fleet parcel
the infamous Apple TV app
fleet parcel
that's good
rain timber
i feel like there are some instances where it's acceptable to a degree, which is basically cases where something in censored where you live or simply unavailable, and no one is making money on it anyway....but for me it was only ever about convenience. when i was a kid, i was all over napster and whatever...because i could 1.) discover new stuff 2.) have it almost instantly. but now i have spotify, apple music, tidal, netflix, hbomax, attnow, etc. etc. etc.
so i just don't see the point of piracy anymore.. i pay 10 bucks a month to listen to whatever i want whenever
fleet parcel
I've got a tweak that allows netflix to work with Picture in picture for tvOS 13
fleet parcel
so you can watch netflix, peek out and check your apps whilst watching