#futurerestore-help

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grim wren
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Ez

cloud ravine
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ha

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i wish it was that easy

valid adder
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chillin in vc not gonna reboot

grim wren
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Lmao

cloud ravine
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what guide should I follow for doing this on a mac?

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does my issue have something to do with SEP/BB?

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i am not super clear about those. need to catch up

dull swallow
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are the root snapshot issues present on A10? or is that only a problem with FaceID devices

valid adder
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its literally only because the restore never completes lol

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restore always completes on a10

grim owl
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@celest basalt getting an error with the checkm8-nonce-setter-linux-main... Is it python3 compatible? I had to create a symbolic link python -> python3 but still getting error.

dull swallow
valid adder
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its not even written in python3... @grim owl

grim owl
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@valid adder it's using git to get ipwndfu_public I think the one that's grabbing is python 2

valid adder
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its always python2

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it was never python3

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ever

grim owl
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@celest basalt this one is not python3, do you know of any that is python3? This is the only python2 left and I would like to avoid installing python2.

valid adder
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are you deaf

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its not possible...

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ipwndfu is python2 only

grim owl
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@valid adder not deaf nor blind. I asked @celest basalt for a python3 linux version and he gave me that link and asking just in case he had a fork. I guess I'm stuck with installing python2..

valid adder
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that's what I said

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theres no forks

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its only python2

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always has been

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sorry but its just not fully ported to python3 yet

grim owl
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It's all good. I'll just use the mac when I have to set nonce on 7/7+

cyan dome
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hi just wanted to confirm whether it is possible to futurerestore to ios 14.5 from ios 12.0 on a iphone 8?

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ive seen that only 14.0-14.2 is incompatible and faceid will not work

valid adder
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iPhone 8 doesn't have faceid

cyan dome
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hahaha you got me

valid adder
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a11 can't go to 14.2 tho

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only 14.3 and later

cyan dome
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so i just update to 15.0.2 then futurerestore to 14.5?

valid adder
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you can go straight to 14.5

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from 12

cyan dome
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ahh ok

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thanks!

valid adder
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you just have to use the beta because 194 is obsolete

cyan dome
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what do you mean by 194?

lofty heart
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Don't use it is what he's trying to say

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Use the latest beta

cyan dome
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i'm planning to use the gui which is on 193, is that ok too?

grim owl
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@cyan dome On FutureRestore-GUI go to settings and enable beta

lofty heart
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^^^^^^

grim owl
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then download it will download 2.0.0-test (beta)

lean stream
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But only available for Mac/Linux - no Windows

lofty heart
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If v194 is obsolete, v193 won't be any different than 194.

valid adder
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rob read

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@cyan dome no not 1.93 v194

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the gui is not the same as actual futurerestore

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it has different versioning

cyan dome
valid adder
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no

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select beta

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in gui options

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then download button

cyan dome
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like this?

valid adder
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please provide name or alias woeis

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but yes thats correct

cyan dome
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yessir

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so i assume i can select the v194 beta from the download button?

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i'll have to get on my mac to do this since its not supported on windows

grim owl
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@cyan dome after you check "FutureRestore Beta" go back to main screen and press DOWNLOAD, it will download v2.0.0-test

valid adder
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we literally already said multiple times v194 is obsolete

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not sure what the disconnect is here

uncut galleon
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Guys

grim owl
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@cyan dome

uncut galleon
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Can I update from 13.7 to 14.5.1 without losing apps and files?

valid adder
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mf

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why

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did

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you

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not

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say

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device

uncut galleon
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11 pro max

valid adder
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you will lose faceid

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and its risky to update

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you are better off restoring

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then restoring the backup

uncut galleon
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The fortnight update wasn’t a downgrade prob?

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Rip fortnite

valid adder
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wtf are you even talking about

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lol?

uncut galleon
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I have legit fortnite installed

valid adder
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oh I see what you mean

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yah you can but its risky

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and yes you will lose faceid

wide verge
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Will wait it out updating from 14.2 to 14.5 and losing faceid 😢 isn’t a good call IMO

gloomy fox
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any help please

zealous bridge
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!t ibec

mystic axleBOT
# zealous bridge !t ibec
ibec

Fix for error code 3, 8, and 10 aka the iBEC error in futurerestore

  1. Uninstall all apple drivers via device manager.
  2. Uninstall all apple products including itunes and apple device support stuff via control panel uninstall a program. MAKE SURE TO CHECK UNINSTALL DRIVER WHEN UNINSTALLING
  3. Unplug and replug device.
  4. Check device manager for more apple stuff and uninstall if so with same driver checkbox.
  5. Disconnect device.
  6. Install itunes64 exe from apple.com itself, no windows store bullshit. This is the best version: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1816?locale=en_US (It will be labeled windows 7, 8 but install it on windows 10, it works fine)
  7. Plug in device in recovery.
  8. iboot (recovery) driver should show up under usb in device manager. Uninstall it and check the with software box.
  9. Run futurerestore.
  10. Unplug and replug your device.
  11. Run futurerestore again
zealous bridge
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also use this

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!t nightly

mystic axleBOT
gloomy fox
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Thanks

autumn shale
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stucked in " About send NOR data" IPhone x 14.6 to ios 14.4

valid adder
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zero context

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wait a fucking second

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I already told you last time

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god damnit

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...

autumn shale
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wait

autumn shale
valid adder
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every tab

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but yes

autumn shale
grim wren
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At least they’re using the nightly thumbsUp

lofty granite
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Is it possible to downgrade my iPhone 11 Pro iOS 14.6 to iOS 14.4 ?

grim wren
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Not without killing faceid

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I think

valid adder
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@autumn shale cancel the restore and press this button instead

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then paste it in terminal instead

grim wren
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Futurerestore GUI is sometimes justcompletelydistraught

celest basalt
grim wren
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Can’t kill faceid when you don’t have a jailbreak to downgrade with in the first place Clueless

autumn shale
valid adder
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Yes now please do what I said

autumn shale
autumn shale
valid adder
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Because you have to start the restore again

autumn shale
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i cant see such buttons when starting restore again

valid adder
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Enable preview in the settings

autumn shale
# valid adder Enable preview in the settings

Previously it stucked in apple logo with 80% completed progress bar . then i force restarted. then it goes to recover mode. then i goes to exit recocery mode from FutureStore. now iphone not turned on

valid adder
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I can’t offer help other people will have to, I’m too busy of a person

celest basalt
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Can you update/downgrade without blobs when your jailbroken or do you still need them?

grim wren
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Still need them

celest basalt
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Damnit! Lol well I’m fully jailbroken thanks to you so I appreciate you

grim wren
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Allgood

celest basalt
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Now I don’t know anything cool I can even do 😂😂😂😂 Cant remember why I even wanted to jailbreak the wait was so long

orchid sigil
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Why and when do you lose Faceid? 🤔
Does that mean no apple pay as well?
I have a jailbroken iPhone X on iOS 13.5 and I‘m thinking about updating. I have blobs and I’m on Windows
Is that possible?

grim wren
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  1. During the restore
  2. yes I think
  3. it’s possible but you’ll lose faceid and apple pay I think
orchid sigil
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But I can configure Faceid later again?

grim wren
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No

civic sundial
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only if you restore again to a fully compatible sep

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if I'm right

grim wren
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Yes you are

orchid sigil
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ohh I understand because the sep got outdated with ios 15?!

grim wren
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Yep

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iOS 15 made everything angry

civic sundial
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yeah, I would like to restore from 13.6.1 to 14.6, but I don't wanna lose faceid...

grim wren
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smh apple

orchid sigil
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yeah that‘s really a bummer

grim wren
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Just sign all your sep’s

orchid sigil
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so lets wait for ios 15 jailbreak 😂

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how does that work?

grim wren
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What

orchid sigil
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signing seps

civic sundial
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it's on apple side

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they only keep 2 ios sep versions at the same time

grim wren
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Look at the AppleTV HDholyFuck

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And the currently available ipsw’s

civic sundial
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oh didn't thought about apple tv lmao, never had one

orchid sigil
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they surely do that to annoy jailbreakers 😂

civic sundial
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@grim wren are all ios 14 versions confirmed to be partially compatible with 15.0.2 SEP? like maybe 14.8 is fully compatible?

grim wren
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Anything with 14 in its name is partially incompatible im pretty sure

civic sundial
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meh I hope something will come out one day for A12 on 15.x

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I'm so sad that i'm missing untethered

orchid sigil
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Next time there is a jailbreak working for me my iP X won‘t be supported anymore lol

civic sundial
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even A6/A7 are still compatible nowadays

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patience is 🔑 as usual

orchid sigil
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only with mac 😦 I have windows

mystic axleBOT
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odysseyn1x

Odysseyn1x allows you to use checkra1n and Odysseyra1n on Windows computers via live-booting. You will need a USB flash drive for this.
Tutorial
Download
[BalenaEtcher Video](#taurine message)
[Rufus Video](#jailbreak message)

orchid sigil
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mhh interesting, thanks a lot

grim wren
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Checkra1n doesn’t work on iOS 15woeis

orchid sigil
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maybe just needs update? Thought it would be until end of life

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yeah so best is probably to wait for iOS 15 update then I can use odysseyn1x hopefully without losing faceid on A11

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yeah 😦

civic sundial
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there's a lot of ways to use checkrain on a pc, kvm, live boot (odysseyn1x or regular distro like ubuntu/kali)

orchid sigil
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also not ios 15? 😦

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how can I change my nickname on this server? I‘m still on 13.5

civic sundial
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you would if it is already installed

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also I like the variety of softwares that come with it

orchid sigil
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yeah I know I wanted to keep jailbreak and didn’t want endlessly to wait unjailbroken for new jb and iOS 14.3 was the only blob I didn‘t save, shame on me 🙈

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definitely 😂

civic sundial
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also make sure generator is set lmao

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i've been saving blobs for a year with a random gen

orchid sigil
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yeah it is, same as shown in uncover

civic sundial
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0x11111111111111111? good

orchid sigil
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nope

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0xbd34a88 something, very strange one. But somehow tss saver got it correctly

civic sundial
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as long as you know the gen/ it is saved in the blobs files you're good

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0xbd34a880be0b53f3, default gen used for odyssey n stuff

orchid sigil
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yeah

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but I never set it, why is it so strange and not the default 11111

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I just used unc0ver in the past

civic sundial
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I set up my profile for blobsaver before jb came out, wasn't aware of what generators etc were

orchid sigil
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same 😄

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just heard „just save blobs“ - doing that and now generators „ok works“ and now these shit SEP... 😂

civic sundial
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so even after cicuta_virosa came out I was still saving blobs with a random gen ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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yup same haha, just apple putting roadblocks

celest basalt
grave ferry
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Can futurerestore get me on an unsigned version for fugu?

civic sundial
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If SEP is compatible yes

grave ferry
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What is SEP?

green onyx
civic sundial
grave ferry
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So is it possible for my a12 to go to 14.5.1 for fugu while on 14.2 atm?

civic sundial
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you will lose faceid (and maybe apple pay idk about it)

grave ferry
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Ok

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Thanks buddy

civic sundial
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and you need valid shsh2 blobs files with generator set

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np

grave ferry
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Yeah I have that

civic sundial
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good luck 🙂

grave ferry
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But not sure I wanna do without faceid tho

civic sundial
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it's on your own :/ you will be still able to restore to a fully sep compatible ios version to get faceid back

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for example atm if you restore to ios 15.x you would get faceid back

green onyx
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ur also going to have filesystem issues

civic sundial
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oh fr? any example?

orchid sigil
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faceid, code, apple pay, passwords probably without secure enclave

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I wouldn’t do it 😄

civic sundial
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jeez I should have restored to 14.6 when SEP was compatible

celest basalt
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passcode and Touch ID definitely works still, Face ID doesn't, not sure about Apple Pay

civic sundial
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if face id wouldn't work so well I would have restored 😆

autumn shale
civic sundial
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DFU maybe?

celest basalt
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!t reboot

mystic axleBOT
# celest basalt !t reboot
reboot

iPhone 8 or newer (including all notched devices and iPhone SE 2020):

  • Press volume up
  • Press volume down
  • Press and hold the side button for 10-20 seconds until the Apple logo appears

iPhone 7:

  • Press and hold the volume down and power buttons for 10-20 seconds until the Apple logo appears

iPhone 6S/SE 2016/iPad 8th or older:

  • Press and hold the home and power buttons for 10-20 seconds until the Apple logo appears
celest basalt
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if it's in DFU you'll need to hold for 20 seconds

autumn shale
autumn shale
celest basalt
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try leaving it on the charger for a few hours

grim wave
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Is it possible to upgrade from 14.3 to 14.5.1 with saved blobs ? Couldn’t use “latest sep” how do I get the sep for “manual sep” ? Is it even compatible ?

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IPhone 11 Pro Max on 14.3 btw..

green onyx
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nope

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u cannot

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u will lose face-id

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just stay on 14.3

grim wave
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Ok thank you

celest basalt
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14.4.2 to 14.5.1 no blobs possible?

green onyx
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no

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not possible

low summit
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with blobs?

clear shard
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how will you lose face id with 14.2 to 14.5 if sep and bb is compatible

low summit
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because ios 15 sep breaks face id

restive cedar
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iPhone 7, can i future restore 14.5.1 ? With 15.0.2 baseband ?

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I herd A10 and lower are supported to future restore ! With 15.0.2 bb sep

celest basalt
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yes

autumn shale
paper charm
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Can I downgrade my iPad 6th gen on iOS 15.0.2 to 14.6 with my saved blob

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On windows?

lean stream
celest basalt
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Help pls

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Stuck on about to send NOR data

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Forever

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iOS 15.0.1 to 14.5 latest bb and sep iPhone 6s on M1 air. Using future restore v2.0.0.-test

paper charm
zealous bridge
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….

steep nest
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I just saved blobs using the tss saver tweak

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Is there supposed to be 2 files

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Like 15.1

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And 15.1 OTA

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because when I saved blobs for 15.0.2 there was 2

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But now theres only one

simple steppe
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Can i update my iphone xs to 15.0.1 with futurerestore without breaking face id ?

celest basalt
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don't update if u want to jailbreak

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downgrade is pain from ios 15 and unreliable

lean stream
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@simple steppe Yes, you should be able to as you would use the SEP/BBFW from 15 so no FaceID issues.

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But heed @celest basalt warning

celest basalt
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it probably wont break face id tho

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also anyone else getting an about to send NOR data error?

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keeps going for ever

lean stream
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☝️ uncheck debug logs or be patient - what device??

celest basalt
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6s and i did uncheck it

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it was running for a full hour

lean stream
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ok - just be patient

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it will finish

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eventually

celest basalt
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oof now im getting an iBEC error

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says reset phone lol

dawn solar
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Hi, has anyone tried/recommend upgrading iPhone X from IOS 14.2 to 14.5.1?

celest basalt
dawn solar
lean stream
celest basalt
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no mac

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m1 im using v2.0.0 test

lean stream
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Good stuff

celest basalt
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with coocoofroggry gui

raw shuttle
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whoops i Guess this is the right channel 🙂

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could somebody help me with upgrading my iphone xs from 13.5 to 14.5.1 i have blobs saved but get a weird error that sep files cant be signed even tough 15.0.2 is still beiing signed

velvet thunder
valid adder
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@velvet thunder why are you using a massively outdated gui

velvet thunder
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need help ip se 14.6 to 14.5.1

valid adder
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@velvet thunder why are you using a massively outdated gui

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@velvet thunder why are you using a massively outdated gui

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@velvet thunder why are you using a massively outdated gui

lean stream
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On top of the above 3 questions, you haven’t set your boot nonce and that is why you are getting the APTicket error.
Also, you need the latest FR beta to use the iOS 15 SEP/BB

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@velvet thunder

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And you’ve specified a SEP im4p file instead of a build manifest plist (not that you need to do that, just use latest for both SEP and BBFW)

velvet thunder
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futurerestore-v194-windows is OKe?

valid adder
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why do they not listen woeis

lean stream
valid adder
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@velvet thunder v194 is obsolete

lean stream
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MUST USE LATEST BETA AND CAN ONLY BE USED ON MAC/LINUX

valid adder
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reading helps

velvet thunder
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windows use only

lean stream
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Then you can go no further

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End of the road

valid adder
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too bad so sad

velvet thunder
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can use linu liev

valid adder
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use linux then

velvet thunder
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live*

valid adder
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can you stop using outdated gui app @velvet thunder

velvet thunder
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pls link for download

lean stream
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Search Google for m1stadev nightly link

valid adder
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@lean stream no????

lean stream
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Or search here in this channel

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No?? 🤣🤣

valid adder
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the entire problem here

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has been him using outdated gui

lean stream
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And use the latest GUI to get the beta of FR??

valid adder
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exactly 🙂

lean stream
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Also, phone is an XS (12,8). Cannot be done anyways? Correct?

valid adder
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it can be done but faceid will be lost

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and rootfs will be invalid

lean stream
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Make that SE2!! Lol

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So is ok? No FaceID but TouchID

valid adder
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oh

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he's fine then

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no issues

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at all

lean stream
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As long as Linux and latest beta FR and latest GUI @velvet thunder

velvet thunder
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oke, i ll try

valid adder
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@velvet thunder let us know before you press start futurerestore please 🙂

velvet thunder
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ok ok

raw shuttle
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anybody go this error yet?
Request URL set to https://gs.apple.com/TSS/controller?action=2
Sending TSS request attempt 1... TSS server returned: STATUS=94&MESSAGE=This device isn't eligible for the requested build.
ERROR: TSS request failed (status=94, message=This device isn't eligible for the requested build.)
futurerestore: failed with exception:
[exception]:
what=SEP firmware is NOT being signed!

code=16908296
line=258
file=main.cpp
commit count=194:
commit sha =0ab9df3209ee599f581532d05d331e6abe0f53f3:

zealous bridge
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check pins

raw shuttle
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pins?

zealous bridge
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latest pin

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194 is outdated

raw shuttle
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not using 194

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v245

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but this error doesnt seem to be an application error?

valid adder
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bro

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v245 has be obsolete for like 3 years

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don't pull shit out of your ass lol

valid adder
raw shuttle
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yeah tried both same error on both versions

valid adder
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don't try 245 at alll

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omfg

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it last supported iOS 12

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we are on iOS 14/15 now...

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also

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194 is obsolete

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you need to use the beta

raw shuttle
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theres no beta for windows right?

valid adder
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not yet

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we are trying

raw shuttle
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iphone pass trough to vm good?

valid adder
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yes but just risky

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make sure you read this first

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!t sepbb

mystic axleBOT
# valid adder !t sepbb
sepbb

Currently you can restore to the following versions with the latest SEP and baseband for your device:

Devices that only support up to iOS 12 (most A7 and A8 devices excluding iPad5,1 - iPad5,4): 11.3-12.5.5

A9 and A10: 14.0-15.0.2

A11 devices:

  • iPhone 8/8 Plus: 14.3-15.0.2
  • iPhone X: 15.0-15.0.2 (restoring to 14.3-14.8 will break Face ID)

A12 devices and newer:

  • iPhone SE (2020): 14.0-15.0.2
  • Other devices: 15.0-15.0.2 (restoring to 14.0-14.8 will break Face ID)

For restores on devices that support iOS 15 you currently must use the latest beta version of FutureRestore, see !t futurerestore for a link.

raw shuttle
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there will probably be no fix to the face id problem?

valid adder
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the fix is updating to iOS 15

raw shuttle
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and than back down to 14?

valid adder
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no

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14 is where its broken

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theres nothing gonna change that

raw shuttle
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and there is no way to sign old sep files i guess?

valid adder
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absolutely not

raw shuttle
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is it possible to save blobs for them? for the future?

valid adder
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they already are saved

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when you save blobs

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SEPROM/SEPOOS uses it's own nonce separate from ap

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you can't set sepnonce

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which is why we request new blobs with the current sepnonce of our device for the current signed os

raw shuttle
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ok i see

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ios 15 jailbreak wont happen soon as the rights system has changed alot?

valid adder
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that's nothing to do with anything really

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there are no exploits

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the latest exploit we have is 14.5.1

grim wren
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ez

raw shuttle
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will do gimme a day xD

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thanks alot for the help/ clarification

gray ridge
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If i’m jailbroken on ios 14.2.1 and one day an ios 15.0.1 exploit comes out and in a jailbreak tool. Will I be able to futurestore to ios 15.0.1 with blobs and still be able to use face id ?

weary ledge
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possible to downgrade while unjailbroken?

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!t futurerestore

mystic axleBOT
low summit
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No it's not possible

valid adder
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@gray ridge not sure why you don't realize that iOS 14 is the only faceid issue rn

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@weary ledge no exploit, no downgrade

weary ledge
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what is the point then? i would imagine you would want to downgrade or upgrade to jb

gray ridge
valid adder
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obviously

low summit
valid adder
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@low summit yeh free for sexual acts

low summit
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Lol

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You tested the jb?

valid adder
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its a joke

low summit
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The untethered or u0?

green onyx
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the ipa is different per device

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because u build it with different ipsws

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per device ur using it for

valid adder
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just need rehost all the binaries

shadow ore
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we already rehost launchctl might as well do that

valid adder
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fixed a9 setnonce in futurerestore frstache

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pushing update later today

celest basalt
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so you dont have to use ra9stuff's thing anymore?

valid adder
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correct

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you just have to patch bootrom yourself

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cuz obviously Im not gonna add exploits to futurerestore

celest basalt
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so just eclipsa

narrow fog
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Table of contents of this article How does SEP and Baseband compatibility work?How do I know if SEP and Baseband are compatible?SEP and Baseband Compatibility ChartSEP and Baseband Compatibility (CTR + F and search for your model): If you want to downgrade your iOS device with FutureRestore, there are multiple components that need to be […]

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Apparently iOS 15 beta 4 bb and sep are compatible with iOS 14.0+

valid adder
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@narrow fog don't be posting that garbage around here

narrow fog
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Ok?

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heylo, frens. i've got my wife's iphone x and want to get futurerestored to 15.0.1

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i thought i had futurerestore all figured out for my ipad air 2, but i botched something in the process and gave up.

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could really use a refresher to make sure i don't f this up again

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ahhh, hell. FR breaks face id on a11? 😒

celest basalt
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that shit is outdated as hell

Latest signed iOS version for iPhone 6S and newer: iOS 14.7.1

gusty axle
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So i have an A13 on ios 14.3 and I want to go to 14.5.1 and I have blobs saved for 14.5.1 can i use futurerestore without breaking anything. I heard it would break faceid because of SEP/BB incompatibility. But what if i use the SEP from 14.5.1?

celest basalt
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you can't, SEP needs to be signed and anything older than 15.0.2 is unsigned

gusty axle
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So the singed SEP has to be compatible with the firmware im trying to get to?

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narrow fog
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@astral badge no unfortunately, it's one of those things that I read what I wanted/hoped to read. Not what was actually there

narrow fog
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I even pm'd geo on Twitter and he said it was up to date/current apart from anything to do with iOS 15.1. Seems that's not the case

astral badge
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don't want to ping anyone, but i am still curious if I'm reading this right, that FR will break faceID on an iphone X when going to 15.0.1

narrow fog
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Im pretty sure it won't when going to 15.0.1 because latest sep and baseband are compatible

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Take that with a grain of salt coming from me lol

astral badge
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<@&355177530061357057> halp?

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green onyx
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going to any ios 15 version? no

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going to any ios 14 version? yes

agile veldt
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@valid adder

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@celest basalt

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Do any of u know

valid adder
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they need to be banned

agile veldt
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So it doesn’t?

valid adder
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going iOS 15 has nothing to do with breaking faceid

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iOS 14 is broken

agile veldt
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He’s tryna update his wife’s phone to 15.0.1 without breaking face id

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valid adder
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sep bro

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not the os install

clear heron
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hey guys where i can found a solid tutorial?

valid adder
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15 sep used with 14 iOS breaks faceid

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@astral badge

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15 works fine

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it makes zero sense that 15 would break

astral badge
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@valid adder thanks for the clarification. would love to FR to 15.0.1 on this iphone X, but when I tried on an ipad air 2, something went way wrong with the FR gui and i ended up giving up and just putting it on the beta 3

valid adder
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the gui has been buggy lately

astral badge
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gotcha.

agile veldt
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use the cli then

astral badge
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will do. 2.45 is the latest out? based on the gitbug?

clear heron
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i need a jailbroken device to use the futurerestore?

astral badge
agile veldt
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@valid adder is 2.45 latest 💀

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Idk any of this restore shit

clear heron
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?*

agile veldt
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?t fr

valid adder
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@agile veldt 245 is 3 years old and for iOS 12 Really

agile veldt
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?tag fr

valid adder
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!t nightly

mystic axleBOT
valid adder
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^

agile veldt
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Use this one @astral badge

astral badge
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smh. windows.

valid adder
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@astral badge windows will be attempted when the last bug is fixed

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I think its almost fixed

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you will still need linux for exploits if you want to put the ipad on 14

astral badge
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hm. i've got a ubuntu server running virtually on my windows machine.

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what sorts of exploits? like eclipsa?

clear heron
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i downgrade my iphone 7 plus with ios 14.7 to ios 14.3?

valid adder
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yes eclipsa

clear heron
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i can downgrade*

valid adder
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@clear heron with blobs

clear heron
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how can i get blob

valid adder
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you don't

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you only get blobs for currently signed versions

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15.0.2 and 15.1 beta

clear heron
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and what i can do to downgrade?

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its impossible?

valid adder
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exactly

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impossible

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this why you pay attention

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everyone saves blobs

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everyone says to save them

clear heron
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understand

valid adder
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maybe you should have done that?

clear heron
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i think no

valid adder
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lol?

clear heron
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how could I have done that?

valid adder
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!t blobs

mystic axleBOT
clear heron
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i
I discovered this recently

celest basalt
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0

astral badge
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dad gum. i knew trying this on linux was going to be like unwrapping an onion

slate badge
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If I backed up my blobs through blobsaver and then did an option + restore on my Mac to another firmware, do I still have the same APNonce and generator that I had before I restored?

astral badge
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omg. my friends. @agile veldt @valid adder it worked.

valid adder
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iPhone X?

astral badge
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aye

narrow fog
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To iOS 15.0.1?

lilac sluice
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any word on

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the beta build for windows?

valid adder
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@lilac sluice mf be patient

lilac sluice
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im tryin

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restive solstice
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restive solstice
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Not sure if it has all functions regular windows does, but it very well might work. If not run a vm using at least two cores

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Unless you have two cores, then don’t even try. Never use more than half your cores, it can crash the system. I know the struggles with Linux, that’s why I have one drive Linux one windows

astral badge
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the trouble i was running into was trying to re-learn how to download a file off the internet, how to unpack it, how to tar it, how to execute it, how to get other files that I had on one computer on the network over onto the linux box

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it was a mess.

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guys, am i going to have an issue taking an iphone x on 13.3 currently to 14.3?

topaz pulsar
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yes

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the SEP (Face ID) and Baseband (Cellular) are not compatible with iOS 13

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@astral badge

astral badge
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13 or 14? I want to go to 14.3

topaz pulsar
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ohh

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i thought you meant downgrade

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you shouldnt have an issue then

topaz pulsar
astral badge
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thank you my friend @topaz pulsar . I don't deserve your kindness

topaz pulsar
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♥️

astral badge
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uh oh

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its been like this for a few minutes?

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hate to do this, but @valid adder ?

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@topaz pulsar would you have an idea what to do now?

topaz pulsar
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is it stuck there?

astral badge
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yes, still, regrettably

topaz pulsar
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can you send a better quality screenshot?

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please?

astral badge
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i mean.... it comes up pretty legible on my system

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magnified & enhanced

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ok i'll just leave this here for now till i hear from someone.

autumn shale
# astral badge

my iphone X completly dead after this yesterday. now its even not turn on😭

topaz pulsar
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@astral badge its bricked

astral badge
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

autumn shale
topaz pulsar
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someting just went wrong during restore

autumn shale
astral badge
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there's seriously nothing i can do?

topaz pulsar
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it should boot into rec auto

astral badge
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what button combos? and for how long?

topaz pulsar
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power + up or down

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it doesnt matter what one

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and hold it

astral badge
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wont even power off

topaz pulsar
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rlly?

astral badge
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yep

topaz pulsar
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try unplugging it

astral badge
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it is

topaz pulsar
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oh

astral badge
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unplugged

topaz pulsar
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let it run out of battery i uess

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@astral badge

astral badge
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its alive

topaz pulsar
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?

astral badge
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in recovery at least now

topaz pulsar
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retry the restore

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it wont hurt

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if its alive

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anyway i have to go

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im sorry

astral badge
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ok... hey! where's an a11 nonce setter just in case my nonce got reset?

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yeah, it got reset.

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guess i'll try to move this one up to 15.1 beta 3 for now

valid adder
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@astral badge just set autoboot to true

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Recovery loop doesn’t mean you have to restore

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Unless it goes back to recovery after setting autoboot

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valid adder
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futurerestore ––exit–recovery

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That will reset autoboot

astral badge
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ok. will file that away. thank you.

valid adder
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if exit recovery reboots and it still is in recovery then it’s a lost cause @astral badge

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But theoretically it should boot fine

astral badge
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you were kind enough to show me how to get eclipsa for my a8x. i checked the github, and it seems to be a c program source code. am i right to suppose i run that in xcode?

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the documentation is kinda sparse

valid adder
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its a bad exploit so not recommended

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ok then. I guess i'll wait for a jb for the beta 3 for ipad

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the phone didnt exit recovery, so off to the beta (thankfully) for the x

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@topaz pulsar rumors of its bricking were greatly exaggerated

valid adder
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you can always set nonce with futurerestore @astral badge

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even easier with the X

astral badge
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really? that's awesome to know. didn't realize that.

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is there a walkthrough on that for the a11/IPX?

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as you might surmise, I was able to get futurerestore nightly to work on my vm linux box

barren mountain
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my iphone now 15.0.1 i have blob shsh2 14.5.1, can i downgrade?

autumn shale
barren mountain
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@valid adder Thanks~

valid adder
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@barren mountain only on a11 and lower

barren mountain
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iPhone 12 now is not support

astral badge
barren mountain
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maybe need wait someday

warm sparrow
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Apparently it seems that ios 15.1 beta 4 sep is signed and compatible. Can we use it to FR from 14.1 to 14.5 using that sep for A12+ devices?

valid adder
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you will lose faceid and rootfs will be invalid

astral badge
valid adder
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my fork for ipwndfu

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./ipwndfu -p --patch

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then use futurerestore set-nonce

astral badge
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hm....

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bad interpreter? wondering if there's a dependency i need for this

valid adder
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it requires python2

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have you not heard of checkm8 before lol?

astral badge
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yeah, but i was used to a different version that i think ran on a gui linux shell.

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or on the mac. not on cli

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how do i get this in dfu mode?

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i installed python 2, but it says the device isn't in dfu mode

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sorry

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<-- teh dum

valid adder
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hard to explain

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google can tell you its difficult for me to write out the instructions

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(DFU mode)

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ok i can get into dfu mode

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but i'm having a hard time getting the exploit to run

valid adder
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may need a physical linux host or mac host

astral badge
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ah maybe so

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so strange it could see it.

valid adder
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I'm not sure usb passthrough is treated well by the exploit lol

astral badge
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perhaps

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man cryptic i can't thank you enough for your help

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last question... i think my wifes phone was jailbroken on 12.4 before i updated it to 15.0.1. i can't get into the software update section, and sure as shit don't want her phone updating and bricking itself.

valid adder
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yeh sadly need a jailbreak to fix that or by erasing user data

astral badge
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guess i'll wait.

barren mountain
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SEP firmware is NOT being signed!

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try downgrade get tip

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so sad want to downgrade to 14.5.1 jailbreak with Fugu14

valid adder
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you can't

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you need a jailbreak to downgrade

autumn shale
barren mountain
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I thought I could downgrade after backing up the shsh2 file, I'm still too young 😦

velvet thunder
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Iphone Se2 14.6 I don't have the required jailbreak, can I do downgrade to 14.5.1 (I have blobs 14.5.1 ota)

celest basalt
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hi everyone, can i downgrade ios 14.5.1 to 14.3 on iphone 11?

valid adder
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not without losing faceid

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and you need to be jailbroken and setnonce to downgrade

velvet thunder
valid adder
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@velvet thunder checkm8 devices don't need a jailbreak

topaz pulsar
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you can?

valid adder
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he had a checkm8 device

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you can

topaz pulsar
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whats the command in future?

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aaannd you hacking sep. good job

shy sable
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is ios 15 sep compatibe with ios 14 sep?

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?

grim wren
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Partially

shy sable
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lemme guess broken face id and stuff

zealous bridge
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yes

proven peak
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Hi there, wanna ask is it support to futurerestore from 14.3 to 15.1 beta 3 (in case they are unsigned)?

I'm planning to futurerestore it later > after jailbreak drop to public, I'm currently on 14.3 using iPhone 11

zealous bridge
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yes as long as you have blobs for the beta

proven peak
zealous bridge
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it wont

proven peak
uneven magnet
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Im a bit confused about the Upgrade/Downgrade topic. I have a Iphone11 that is still running 13.5.1. I have all blobs from 14.4 -14.7. I want to upgrade to 14.4.1 bcs. fungu14. Is it possible without breaking faceid?

craggy pendant
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no

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FR to iOS 14.x will break Face ID

uneven magnet
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save your blobs they said, its important they said, you will need them they said 😄

craggy pendant
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it was able to when 14.8 was still signed

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what took you so long to update ?

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you had so much time to update to iOS 14.3 ?

uneven magnet
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Nope. I was waiting for a JB for 14.3 since they droped it, it was unsigned

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And i didnt had any blobs for 14.3

craggy pendant
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they announced the jailbreak would be coming when 14.8 was still signed

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you could’ve went to 14.4 and waited

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you can go to 15.1b3 later

uneven magnet
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Being on an unjailbroken state and wait months for an anounced JB was no option for me

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what? any anounces for 15.1b3?

craggy pendant
celest basalt
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there's a vulnerability that should be usable for 15.0.1 and below + 15.1b1-b3 (on A10X-A13) but no news of someone actually working on a JB using it yet

craggy pendant
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if you save 15.1b3 blobs you’d be able to FR to that at a future date though ?

uneven magnet
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Any tutorial for upgrading without loosing al data?

celest basalt
celest basalt
craggy pendant
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unlikely 15 to 15 will break sep

celest basalt
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I mean 14.3 broke compatibility with 14.0-14.2 (at least on A11)

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but we'll see

uneven magnet
craggy pendant
celest basalt
craggy pendant
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I’ve had Restore RootFS still have a few apps detect jailbreak

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like Citibank HSBC

celest basalt
craggy pendant
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only way I could get through it was RE Jailbreak then use succession

uneven magnet
celest basalt
orchid sigil
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how do I save blobs for 15.1b3?
I only have 15.0.2 and 15.1
Is that even possible?

craggy pendant
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shsh.host or blobsaver

orchid sigil
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tsssaver can‘t do it?

craggy pendant
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I’m not 100% but it might. I don’t use TSS Saver

orchid sigil
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is there an advantage to put in apnonce already when saving blobs?

craggy pendant
hollow summit
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I got an iPhone XR with iOS 14.6 (no blobs) and i saved today blobs for 15.0.2 and 15.1.
Shall i wait and hope for some random 14.6 JB to drop or would i be better of updating to 15.X? Or would it be the better way to stay on 14.6 and hope that some jb releases for it? If for 15.0.2 / 15.1 something releases i should be able to update without any annoying FaceID bug or anything right?

spark canyon
uneven magnet
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ive tried to 15.1 b3. It tells me "SEP firmware is NOT being signed!"

zealous bridge
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first pin

celest basalt
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15.1b3 is signed so just restore via iTunes/Finder

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but I would prefer going to 15.0.1 if you have blobs for that unless you have a big need for some 15.1 feature

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!t betaalert because of this

mystic axleBOT
# celest basalt !t betaalert because of this
betaalert

If you stay on an old iOS beta version (RC not included) for too long, after a few weeks you'll start seeing an alert like this every time you unlock your device or swipe away the notification center.

If you're jailbroken, you can use NoBetaAlert to disable it. Otherwise, the only way is to set your date back or update.

uneven magnet
celest basalt
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yes

uneven magnet
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thx, this is the better method, cus i will not loose any apps and data

hexed jasper
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I have 14.5.1 blobs and am running 14.4 on iPhone 12 Pro jb. Are the seps and stuff working

uneven magnet
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ohh maaa, he updated me to ios 15.1 not on 15.1b3. Nvmnd. Buildversion is correct, there is nowhere else a sign for Beta 😄

celest basalt
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help im getting abort errors on mac os with nonce setter script

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a9 script on mac os

lean stream
lean stream
lean stream
celest basalt
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Yee am using beta 2.0.0 latest on mac os 11.6

celest basalt
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I have an iPhone 12 Pro running iOS 15.0.2. I’ve been saving blobs since iOS 14.5.1. Will I be able to downgrade to iOS 14.5.1?
Thank you in advance

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not until a JB comes out for your current version, also it would break Face ID anyway

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Oh damn. Cause uncover just released on 14.5.1. So I’m out of luck

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I mean I can live without Face ID not a big deal

desert tapir
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Question people. when saving blobs using AutoTSS which blob do you need to use the noapnonce or the one with the numbers

celest basalt
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I’m just gonna upgrade to iOS 15.1 I guess and never care about jailbreaking again. All YouTubers said that if you save blobs, you can upgrade and everything will be alright and if a jailbreak comes out, you just downgrade

night creek
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anyhow

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so i wanna do some shit with my 6s today, can do the following:

  1. upgrade to 14.8 and keep using ora1n (idrc about untether but it would certainly be nice)
  2. downgrade to 14.3 (i have blobs and have successfully futurerestored a number of times)
  3. stay on current (14.6)
    help
celest basalt
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Why does iOS need to be so complex

uneven magnet
celest basalt
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How can I go to iOS 15.1 beta 3 exactly?

terse nebula
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Is the current SEP compatible with 14.5.1?

low summit
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yes

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but no face id

terse nebula
low summit
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ios 15 sep just breaks face id

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so any downgrade to ios 14

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breaks face id

terse nebula
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k

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and there is now way to get ios 14 seps right?

low summit
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no

celest basalt
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So that means I can downgrade from 15.0.2 to 14.5.1

low summit
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its not signed

celest basalt
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But it would just break Face ID

low summit
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yes if u have blobs

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and a jb

celest basalt
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Yes I do

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I don’t have a jailbreak

low summit
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then no lol

celest basalt
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huh?

low summit
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u need to set nonce

celest basalt
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I use blobsaver

low summit
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is it a checkm8 device?

celest basalt
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Which saves the nonce

celest basalt
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a14

low summit
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that just saves nonce

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u need to set nonce too

celest basalt
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Oh

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So what do I do now?

low summit
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wait for a jb

celest basalt
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I do have 14.5.1 blobs tho so I may downgrade in the future if it would possible without a jailbreak

celest basalt
low summit
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theres no way to downgrade without a jb

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or i should say theres no way to set nonce without a jb

terse nebula
low summit
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every one

terse nebula
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K 😑

celest basalt
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15.0.2 is the lowest signed one and every SEP since at least 15.0 final or even earlier breaks it

low summit
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and it cant be fixed?

vague nimbus
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witch sep and baseband do i need to uppgrade from 14.2 to 14.4.1?

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i am on a iphone xr

celest basalt
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since only 15.0.2 and above is signed

vague nimbus
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so i totally lose face id?

cedar onyx
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@celest basalt did anyone ever tried A12+ FR to 14.x?

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i know about A11, but A12+?

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I am doing FR to 14.x with blobs to A12+ right now, if you want me to test anything (I am aware of the FACE ID tho)

celest basalt
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you can test the latest beta build

cedar onyx
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link for beta?

celest basalt
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!t nightly

mystic axleBOT
celest basalt
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needs macOS or Linux rn

cedar onyx
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ah

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ok ill arrange macos

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ill update with the results @celest basalt , any chance faceID wont break?

low summit
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breaks for sure

celest basalt
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unlikely since it breaks on A11

terse nebula
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guess we have to wait for the iOS 15 Jailbreak or SEP that doesn't break it

celest basalt
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you can always restore to iOS 15 to fix it

cedar onyx
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what is our stats on that? 1 person with A11 claiming face id broke?

celest basalt
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nope, multiple people have tested it including me

cedar onyx
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got it

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thanks

celest basalt
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it's failing for everyone on iPX so far, but Touch ID devices complete the restore without any issues

low summit
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anyone test on a12 plus?

cedar onyx
celest basalt
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oh do you mean A12 and above

low summit
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yes

celest basalt
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I thought you meant some weird "A12 Plus" SoC fr

cedar onyx
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XD

low summit
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nah lmao

cedar onyx
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so --latest since we dont really have a choice, correct?

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that will give me 15.1 sep

low summit
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ios 14 sep is not signed so yea

cedar onyx
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maybe apple fixed face id with 15.1 sep

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:D:D:D

low summit
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lol imagine

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passcode still works its just face id taking the axe

celest basalt
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15.1b3 was definitely broken

hexed jasper
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Will there ever be a way to update from 14.4 to 14.5.1 with blobs on 12 pro

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Where faceid works

low summit
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prob not

hexed jasper
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Damn same with iOS 15.0.1?

low summit
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ios 15 works fine

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only ios 14 breaks face id

cedar onyx
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restore began

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i ran with -d just in case you would like logs

late sequoia
#

A14 possible from 14.2 to 14.3 - 14.5.1?

cedar onyx
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@celest basalt any idea?

celest basalt
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hmm weird

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shouldn't get that with 260 in theory

cedar onyx
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ill try again

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the issue is with the blob or what?\

atomic thistle
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14.8.1 SEP? 👀

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I'm not gonna get my hopes up

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But I wanna update my A12Z iPad to 14.5.1 :P

zealous bridge
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14.8.1

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Is apple okay

green onyx
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Wtf

brisk narwhal
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IS THE SEP COMPATIBLE

cedar onyx
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omg

zealous bridge
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is it alternatesu

thick coral
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Blobs time

green onyx
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@valid adder is there ipsw for it?

cedar onyx
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i cant test 14.8.1?

brisk narwhal
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THIS COULD BE POGGERS

green onyx
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Shit

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Im at work rn

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@zealous bridge check for ipsw pls

zealous bridge
green onyx
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And lmk

zealous bridge
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rip

green onyx
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No u cant

zealous bridge
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Its alternatesu

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I think

green onyx
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^

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Theres no ios 14.8.1 ipsw

brisk narwhal
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What’s alternatesu

green onyx
zealous bridge
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Just OTA

atomic thistle
zealous bridge
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It’s basically the same situation as 14.8

cedar onyx
zealous bridge
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Can’t use the SEP from it

cedar onyx
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14.5

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iphone 11 pro max

zealous bridge
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You’re losing face id btw

cedar onyx
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im trying your test build

brisk narwhal
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why the fuck can’t they just let us do what we want with our devices

cedar onyx
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i know

zealous bridge
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Okay

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Thats fine

fast estuary
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Sorry for interrupting, I see you guys are obviously at something and I may seem annoying as to the repetitiveness of the question, but I just want to be 100% sure. I’m on iOS 14.3 on a 12 pro max, is there a way to update to 14.5.1 (with blobs saved) without breaking faceid?

zealous bridge
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There isn’t

fast estuary
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Thanks

zealous bridge
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You will break face id

orchid sigil
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so no working sep with 14.8?

green onyx
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Apple pretty smart to not give ipsw

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Deadass theres some apple employee in this server

grim wren
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Who are they thofloshed

zealous bridge
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anyways

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folklore what about CVEs

lost stone
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Can I use the 14.8.1 SEP to futurrestore to 14.5.1? Have blobs. iPad mini 5

zealous bridge
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14.8.1 SEP/Baseband is probably in the same situation as 14.8, locked behind AlternateSU meaning it's useless for futurerestore purpose.

green onyx
prime bay
cedar onyx
zealous bridge
lost stone
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Or sep from 15?

brisk narwhal
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This is just fucking bullshit that apple is pulling this

fervent garnet
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can you explain what that means? locked behind Alternate SU?

zealous bridge
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usually means sep/baseband is fully incompat

cedar onyx
zealous bridge
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yep

cedar onyx
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so i can still use 15.0.2 tho

green onyx
zealous bridge
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15.0.2 is still signed?

cedar onyx
green onyx
brisk narwhal
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It’s bullshit that I buy a phone for 1250 dollars and can’t choose what previously working OS I can get to on it

zealous bridge
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oh it is

barren oak
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is it possible to futurerestore iphone x from 14.3RC to 14.4 with blobs?

cedar onyx
zealous bridge
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as long as its signed you can use sep/baseband

cedar onyx
barren oak
# green onyx No

Is there an option then to disable passcode on my iphone without updating

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I forgot the passcode

zealous bridge
green onyx
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Bcert moment

weak hemlock
fervent garnet
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why would they do that - or more accurately why would they just start doing that now?

green onyx
zealous bridge
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they do it to prevent replay attacks

lost stone
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Is the sep from 15.0.2 compatible with 14.5.1?

brisk narwhal
zealous bridge
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why they only started doing it now is anyones guess

cedar onyx
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so @zealous bridge is the screenshot i sent is enough to announce that 15.1 sep is incompatbile with 14.5?

zealous bridge
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i would want a couple other people to try

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on different socs

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to confirm

cedar onyx
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k

zealous bridge
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someone in futurerestore server said it worked

cedar onyx
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im dling 15.0.2 now

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yes it worked on 15.1b3

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afaik no one tested 15.1

zealous bridge
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nope they tested final

cedar onyx
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weird so maybe thats something on my end?

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im running macos

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maybe the usb-c?

zealous bridge
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still need other people to test

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nah i doubt its usb c

lost stone
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Is the sep from 15.0.2 compatible with 14.5.1?

zealous bridge
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!t sepbb

mystic axleBOT
# zealous bridge !t sepbb
sepbb

Currently you can restore to the following versions with the latest SEP and baseband for your device:

Devices that only support up to iOS 12 (most A7 and A8 devices excluding iPad5,1 - iPad5,4): 11.3-12.5.5

A9 and A10: 14.0-15.0.2

A11 devices:

  • iPhone 8/8 Plus: 14.3-15.0.2
  • iPhone X: 15.0-15.0.2 (restoring to 14.3-14.8 will break Face ID)

A12 devices and newer:

  • iPhone SE (2020): 14.0-15.0.2
  • Other devices: 15.0-15.0.2 (restoring to 14.0-14.8 will break Face ID)

For restores on devices that support iOS 15 you currently must use the latest beta version of FutureRestore, see !t futurerestore for a link.

zealous bridge
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please read and stop asking

celest basalt
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do 15.0.2 backups work on 14.5.1

cedar onyx
zealous bridge
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they should afaik

cedar onyx
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ios 15 backups returns weird messages when restoring them on 14.x

zealous bridge
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hm

brisk narwhal
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Apologies for the profanity tho I’m just a wee bit furious haha

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Guess I’ll stay on 13.5

orchid sigil
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do ios 13 backups work on ios 15 in case I need to restore at some point to ios 15?

cedar onyx
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clearly yes

zealous bridge
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thats the point of a backup...

celest basalt
orchid sigil
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I thought so too but heard somewhere there were some problems but then that was wrong 🙂 thanks

brittle shuttle
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Guys will a future restore without breaking FaceID be possible because iOS 14.8.1 is out now?
Technically its 14.x SEP and BB only right?

zealous bridge
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why is grep being stupid

cedar onyx
celest basalt
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also how do i set a11 nonce

brittle shuttle
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Thanks.

deep plank
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Does an OTA Update contains the SEP ? Asking to downgrade to iOS 14.6 w/ my blobs, from iOS 15.0.1, now that iOS 14.8.1 is signed in OTA

proud lantern
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not in a usable way

orchid sigil
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why is apple so smart? 😂

zealous bridge
deep plank
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ok

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But will the 14 SEP be available to downgrade w/ blobs

zealous bridge
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it wont

grim wren
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Don’t ota’s like this usually not include sep’s

cedar onyx
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how can i tell which files i need from 15.0.2 to iphone 11 pro max? the telegram bot does not work

zealous bridge
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otas have to include SEP

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only question is if theyve changed it or not