development

[half walrus]

mhm

cuz they wanna go vertical

so its just a ticking clock

either get bought by them or replaced by them if you dont sell

or, if you're corellium, sued to hell and back

[lime pivot]

authorised repairers are just there for battery swaps and anything else they’re just a glorified post office where the only destination is Apple

[tardy narwhal]

glorified post office

[lime pivot]

have to sell a certain quota of new product even if you’re only in it for repair

[tardy narwhal]

the subtlety man lmao

[half walrus]

man

what if the next iphone brings back the headphone port

that's a huge segue but with current trends

[lime pivot]

can’t keep parts on-hand, must diagnose using Apple’s tools to prove the parts are required, must send defective parts back immediately or Apple bills you an obscene amount

[half walrus]

hope we get linux flagships

bc someday i'm gonna have to end up moving to samsung

[tardy narwhal]

well the S21 Ultra is available

[lime pivot]

then there’s also the Authorised Repair Program that’s just complete bullshit where you can’t remain competitive with unauthorised repair whatsoever

[half walrus]

mass1ve stop reading my mind

lol

that's the phone I've had in mind for quite a while

unlocked bootloader

[lime pivot]

Apple just doesn’t fucking understand why there’s such a network of unauthorised repairers

[half walrus]

say no more

unlockable*

[tardy narwhal]

It’s worth it but mad myself I run a Note 20U for work

[half walrus]

I just want a good camera and the ability to break shit

[lime pivot]

I got a Note 10+ and used it for a few months and that’s it

[restive ether]

authorized repair ships are a joke lol

[tardy narwhal]

OnePlus your brand if you wanna fuck around

[lean ridge]

Louis did a whole video on this iirc

[lime pivot]

I blame friends for using iMessage, and apple watch for still being the only good watch on the market

[valid venture]

lol Apple does understand, in shareholders pdf they point out stopping repairs generating sales

[half walrus]

how are the cameras tho

[lime pivot]

many of them in fact lmao

[tardy narwhal]

solid

like legitimately good

[half walrus]

'good' or 'absurd'

[tardy narwhal]

Watch mkbhd’s video on it, it’s worth the review

[half walrus]

cuz i want 'absurd' or i can just stay on my X

which is why I picked the S21 as my next phone

[lime pivot]

he’s salty he made a video including the title and thumbnail that were all patting Apple on the back saying yes good moves forward need to be acknowledged and all that

[lean ridge]

lmfao

[lime pivot]

before realising it’s all just there to attempt to make right to repair legislation go away

[tardy narwhal]

The problem with samsung is you’ll be stuck with their stupid knox deployment and a blown efuse if you go the route of rooting & unlocking it.
Getting into tuning and making your own governor isn’t too difficult but dogshit because Samsung-OSS lacks

[lime pivot]

no no look congressman, we support other repair options! it’s these stores’ fault they haven’t signed up for our repairer program!

[half walrus]

i'm on an X with no SEP so

would i be able to get a bootstrap running on it?

[tardy narwhal]

no no, you misunderstand

[half walrus]

i'm extremely unfamiliar with android infrastructure

[lime pivot]

never mind the rules of the program make it impossible for most stores to operate in them

[tardy narwhal]

samsung’s efuse is irreversible if blown

[half walrus]

oh yeah

what does that affect

[tardy narwhal]

bonified guarantee blown

[half walrus]

other than warranty

[lime pivot]

yeahhhh I wanted to root but fuse is a problem

[tardy narwhal]

nothing really, just a pesky flag for technicians to see if you tampered

[half walrus]

oh yeah idc then

[lime pivot]

doesn’t affect samsung pay?

[tardy narwhal]

it does

but who uses that

lmao

[half walrus]

i used apple pay

before ios 14

sad cat emoji

[surreal mountain]

good morning

i wrote a trading bot and gave it 100k and its already beaten the snp

[lime pivot]

I have not used my physical card in 4 years except when I went to the US

[surreal mountain]

[tepid olive]

i wish pinephone didn't have hardware from 2012

[restive ether]

pine phone lol

[half walrus]

but yeah I just want a playground/emergency workstation with a nutty camera

[tardy narwhal]

I mean any knox related features such as secure folder, knox containers, samsung pay & facial auth should be broken on select devices but that’s all there is to it

[restive ether]

its not even that the fact the parts are outdated by today’s standards

[tardy narwhal]

and a fucked ondemand govenor

[half walrus]

and saw there's an S21 with the ability to unlock the bootloader

[restive ether]

their QC sucks too

[lime pivot]

I mean I’d gladly take a Nexus 4 with a bit more RAM and 4G

that phone slaps

[tardy narwhal]

Pixel 2XL without the burn in would be golden

the squeeze feature is ingenious

[half walrus]

what's the android internal system look like?

like

would I be able to get a bootstrap up

i hate java

[lime pivot]

well it’s Linux

you can run ELFs like always

[half walrus]

sick

[tardy narwhal]

yeah but good luck making your own kernel lmao, you’ll have to wait until they push sources

[half walrus]

oh i have no intention of going that far

[lime pivot]

it’s just a different userland from typical Linux because Android has a different idea on some things like filesystem layout

[half walrus]

just the fact that it's unlocked

[lime pivot]

eg built in libs are at /system/lib

[tepid olive]

mobile in ~ at iPhone took 3s 
➜ mkdir out     

mobile in ~ at iPhone 
➜ classdump-dyld -o out /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreWiFi.framework      
2021-01-29 20:10:04.126 classdump-dyld[24048:345188] Could not create directory out. Check permissions.

wtf am I doing wrong

[tardy narwhal]

Well you’ll have to deal with SELinux & SafetyNet though, beware of that

[lime pivot]

it also has an Android-specific libc I think?

[tardy narwhal]

yeah

[half walrus]

if I end up being able to afford one i'll harass you for assistance

and be the 2nd person here to use android

[lime pivot]

but like, I’ve messed with devices before that literally just shoved a bunch of Linux daemons on there and ran them from the init scripts

[tardy narwhal]

you’re welcome to, I used to maintain the universal8895 board back in the Note8 days with a few other people providing the broken aosp kernel

[lime pivot]

you can also use Linux Deploy @half walrus

[tardy narwhal]

that shit sucked

[lime pivot]

run an actual Linux distro in a chroot

[half walrus]

I love researching iOS but my interest in it as a daily device is quickly waning

i'm stuck choosing a good camera or device freedom which is just lame

[lime pivot]

honestly my note camera is fine

[tardy narwhal]

tbf if picture quality is important to you stick to an apple device or recent samsung above S9

[lime pivot]

better than my XS cause it has the ultrawide lens

[half walrus]

yeah, I checked out the S21 and the camera instantly sold me

if u cant tell i am a single issue buyer lol

camera is #0 priority

hax are #1

[tardy narwhal]

did you watch the mkbhd video on the oneplus 8 pro

[lime pivot]

the Samsung camera app has absolutely improved and I’d say it’s better than the Google app which is a mess of terrible UI/UX

[half walrus]

i haven't bc i'm listening to some bops but i'll put it on my watch later playlist thing

[tardy narwhal]

their post processing is unmatched though, it’s nuts

[lime pivot]

legit exposure adjustment has been in iOS for 8 years and Google just refuses to add anything of the like

[half walrus]

the S21 post processing, image stabilization, resolution and overall quality is just

what the fuck is apple doing anymore lol

they're not even the best

they aren't innovating

[lime pivot]

just riding on knowing it’s good enough and they don’t need to do any more work to sell iPhones based on the camera

[half walrus]

yep

[tardy narwhal]

shoutout to the Google Photos app doe which accidentally had their tensorflow model builtin to enhance pictures

[half walrus]

they throw some more MPs at it every year, tack another lens on every 3, occasionally change the casing

[lime pivot]

2017: we added another camera
2018: we added a portrait mode
2019: we added another camera
2020: we made one of the cameras worse

[half walrus]

i'm not like, fed up with apple, its just everyone else is better now

[lime pivot]

I accidentally found myself in 2015 tech YouTube a while back and found reviews of the 6s

everyone was like, this is the first really good iPhone camera

[half walrus]

X camera blew me away when it came out

now it's like

[lime pivot]

seems like it got to that point and specs stopped going up, only adding more cameras and software features

[half walrus]

you can zoom out more? and we added some software shit

dont like the fact that the software shit modifies your photos to smooth your face without an option to disable? too bad we're apple

[lime pivot]

you know, the telephoto lens comes with a fun caveat

[half walrus]

that one was just weird

[lime pivot]

if it thinks it can’t see the same thing in both lenses, it’ll just ignore the telephoto and do digital zoom on the regular lens instead

doesn’t tell you at all

[half walrus]

lol

oh yeah i forgot they added a telephoto

[lime pivot]

only way you can tell is by putting your finger on the lens to see if it gets blocked out or not

[half walrus]

the

fuckisitcalled

wide angle one

[lime pivot]

ultrawide

[half walrus]

that was neat but like

not 'upgrade your phone' neat

and they added a lidar scanner on 12 which is

[lime pivot]

it’s useful of course if you have a large group to take a pic of or whatever

but I mean it’s all optics, and when you keep increasing field of view you increase distortion

[half walrus]

don't understand how the LIDAR scanner got the go-ahead for production lol

who's using that

[lime pivot]

the main camera already distorts quite a lot, but we’ve come to accept that as the default for phone cameras

and Apple would rather just reduce the distortion with more postprocessing

[gentle grove]

what things use lidar

[lime pivot]

it just helps make AR edge detection better no?

does portrait camera use it?

if it does, does portrait mode even use the telephoto lens any more?

[half walrus]

does apple actually use lidar?

i thought it was just like a

[lime pivot]

lidar seems way better for portrait mode

[half walrus]

dumb nerd thing

for ARKit stuff

[lime pivot]

but yeah that I’m aware of I don’t think Apple is even actually using it except for AR surface detection

[half walrus]

also goddamn this is sexy

wyd apple

[lime pivot]

which it already did pretty well by just getting you to wave the phone around a bit

[half walrus]

lol portrait mode shit

[lime pivot]

improvements always welcome of course, as long as lidar isn’t making my phone more expensive for something of marginal use to most people

[half walrus]

love how they softlocked entirely software features to A12+!

[lime pivot]

I bet you wouldn’t even know you can google animal names and there’s a button to launch an AR experience with a life-sized animal

[half walrus]

is that a thing

[gentle grove]

since when did github have "discussions"

[half walrus]

also this is cam specs

[lime pivot]

never mind, they ruined it now

you used to be able to tap View in 3D and it’d open the Safari USDZ viewer

[gentle grove]

oh mygod i need to set up github discussions

[lime pivot]

now they force you to download the Google app

lol, discussions

https://github.com/theos/theos/discussions

I made this and nobody used it

[gentle grove]

why lol

[half walrus]

straight up i don't think apple can beat a single thing here

christ

[tepid olive]

i gotchu

[lime pivot]

because it's such a GitHub hack on top of the issues platform

[gentle grove]

what about orange

[lime pivot]

as hacky as the wiki

the wiki, a git repo that can't be collaborated on with pull requests

[tepid olive]

everyone knows apple is really selling the ecosystem

[lime pivot]

you either lock it down so nobody can edit it, or open it up so everyone can edit it without approval

[gentle grove]

i jsut realized i haventr update dhte imgupload wiki ever

[tepid olive]

their products are shit

[gentle grove]

im gonna write some wiki

or should i make a github pages wiki

[lime pivot]

well, CPU/GPU are behind on Qualcomm/Samsung's ARM designs

I say "designs" they're mostly just the ARM reference cores copy pasted

[half walrus]

8 core 2.8ghz 5nm snapdragon

[lime pivot]

and Adreno/Mali are just PowerVR I think???

[half walrus]

where does apple clock?

[lime pivot]

so, on par with iPhone until about 3 years ago when Apple started shipping their own GPU designs

[half walrus]

i know clock speed isn't all of it but my windows laptop runs amazing on a 2.9ghz 4 core snapdragon

[lime pivot]

well, Apple won't ever tell us what their clocks are

[half walrus]

and this has twice the cores of my laptop at the same clock speed so

[lime pivot]

but review geekbench sd888 vs A14

[half walrus]

(arm windows on phone time?)

yeah apple does dominate with their cpu's as usual

[lime pivot]

fastest on geekbench single core is ROG phone sd865, 952

[lethal ice]

51fps

wow

[lime pivot]

vs 12 pro max A14, 1591

that's like embarrassing

a gaming phone only just tops the iPhone X

[tepid olive]

true

[half walrus]

'gaming phones' do be kinda dumb tho

hot take

[tepid olive]

was checking out Pixel 4a and then i realized it scores lower than my X

[lime pivot]

865 in S20 is 831

[tepid olive]

multi core too

[half walrus]

i think it's also worth noting

all of us here have reversed ios

[lime pivot]

congrats qualcomm! you're now faster than an iPhone 7

[tepid olive]

Snap 730 is a joke

[half walrus]

and know how much cpu time ios itself eats

just by being ios

14 years of bloat

[lime pivot]

I both agree and disagree

[half walrus]

yeah that was a bit broad

[lime pivot]

though I do have a lot of respect for how Android is architected as compared to how iOS feels quite slapped together

[tepid olive]

Android have to compensate for the Java apps somehow

[half walrus]

tbf tho

have you dug through android like you have ios

[lime pivot]

such as that they've literally had an equivalent of backboardd since Android 1

default browsers since Android 1

[half walrus]

oh yeah then

[lime pivot]

browser/email/camera/contacts/phone/literally anything else

[half walrus]

i've heard good and bad things about android

mostly the support cutoffs

can you build apps without java on android?

[tepid olive]

Dart

[half walrus]

which is a subset of what language

which has what word in it

which i'm lumping into that group bc i hate js just as much

[lime pivot]

daemons are run by a service manager with a fairly strict model where the daemon can be started and stopped at any time, and it has the chance to respond to that, can throw up UI, notifications, etc, using public APIs

[tardy narwhal]

oh wow the chat moved quick

[lime pivot]

keyboards since Android 1 too although they were intended to just be extra convenient on-screen buttons to go alongside your physical keyboard back then lmao

[half walrus]

cc mass1ve

[tardy narwhal]

you can using flutter, kotlin or C++

[lime pivot]

they're called IMEs (input method editors) because they were just the software glue that goes along with the hardware (the input method)

[half walrus]

guess i could live with C++

ios work is too burnt into my head at this point

and i never wanna go back to java

[lime pivot]

apps can vend APIs to other apps, whether using a standardised API or a proprietary one, all through the same services architecture used by the Android core services

[tardy narwhal]

short update on the S21U though, watch jerry rig’s video. He made a bomb point in the end imo which might contradict with yours but worth watching

[lime pivot]

I could go on

[half walrus]

could you shoot me a link

[tardy narwhal]

https://youtu.be/Y4wrxLVs3eU

[half walrus]

interested cuz yeah i dont know much at all about samsungs

[lime pivot]

pops out just like a little lego

[tardy narwhal]

Well what kirb said isn’t specific to samsungs but the OS in itself

however zygote is getting more restrictive

[half walrus]

how restrictive is the system in terms of what I can disable?

[tardy narwhal]

depends if you disable SELinux or not

[half walrus]

as an example, it's impossible to dlopen SpringBoardHome in certain procs

[lime pivot]

I would say though that if you look at backboard/springboard cpu usage in htop and wince, surfaceflinger/systemui are almost as bad on Android

[half walrus]

like, need to patch dyld iirc impossible

[lime pivot]

huh no, you just need to hold an entitlement

[half walrus]

oh?

oh you're right

[tardy narwhal]

well you can hotpatch the core service if you’d really want to

[lime pivot]

or patch the func that it uses to check the entitlement in-process

because obviously you should check the entitlements of a process from within the process itself

what a great security model

like having a window open directly next to the door where you can reach in and twist the knob open

[half walrus]

oh god the scrape

my poor ears

[lime pivot]

I think it's more of a deterrent to other Apple teams more than a security feature, though

[tepid olive]

best emoji

[half walrus]

I like the edges on the phone

its like the ol square SE oens

[tardy narwhal]

minute 6 should be the climax

[lime pivot]

so they don't just go loading SpringBoardHome into everything cause they need 1 or 2 things from it

why does he have a branded knife now

[half walrus]

i will say i take care of my phones if there's a durability issue

had this X for like, 2 years? 1.5? and I haven't scratched either side of it

holy shit the phone has fingerprint

[lime pivot]

android land hasn't really moved on from fingerprint tbh

[half walrus]

is that a negative

[lime pivot]

nope

[half walrus]

covid kinda shot faceid in the foot

[lime pivot]

I definitely dig in-screen fingerprint sensor

[tardy narwhal]

absolute upvote

[lime pivot]

hoping rumors of Apple using it soon are true

honestly his conclusion is accurate

[half walrus]

ok its neat that his review of the camera involved showing footage taken by a different phone

[lime pivot]

I've really only heard people talking about the S21 in the context of it making the previous phones cheaper

so they can buy a nice phone for cheap

[half walrus]

i was able to really form an opinion on the quality of the camera based on the example he provided

[tardy narwhal]

lowkey the S10+ is a steal

[half walrus]

idk that felt dumb

literally just didn't review the camera quality

and said the S4 was good too

instead

[lime pivot]

good clickbait troll lmao

I mean he doesn't do camera reviews

[half walrus]

fair

[tardy narwhal]

well his point was to calm the camera hype tbf and remind people to look at the whole package instead of one singular thing

[half walrus]

for sure

[tardy narwhal]

still your own call though if people wanna do doe

[lime pivot]

I love that according to commenters his name is Jerry

[half walrus]

just feels like a weird point to make if you dont legitimately compare quality

cuz i still want to know bc that's the most important feature for me

[tardy narwhal]

solidified meme status

[lime pivot]

keanu chungus wholesome 100

[half walrus]

my iphone X can take 4000x4000px photos but it's still not hitting the quality i want rn so

[tardy narwhal]

for camera you gotta watch mkbhd’s video, he raves about the camera

[half walrus]

will do

[tardy narwhal]

lowkey Unbox therapy fell off man

[lime pivot]

gonna be honest I hate all phone reviews

[half walrus]

i have no opinion on them

dont watch

[lime pivot]

I just look at a phone that looks good and has a fast cpu and buy it

[half walrus]

also RIP my youtube reccomendations thanks mass1ve

[tardy narwhal]

mine’s fucked too dw lmao

[half walrus]

which of the 3 videos do i watch

he has 3 on the phone lol

nvm just 2

[tardy narwhal]

https://youtu.be/tn2AgrwXpNQ

8:21

[half walrus]

oop gotcha

[tardy narwhal]

there’s the camera review

[tepid olive]

Development is better than gen

It’s less brain dead

[half walrus]

like my big thing is I want a phone that can quell me from buying a DSLR

[tardy narwhal]

oh that’s a bit utopian lmao, if you can use a dslr like legitimately, go for a dslr

[lime pivot]

*though I’ll watch jerryrig for a balanced durability review

[half walrus]

I do a lot of photography so

[lime pivot]

just need to know it’s not another Nexus 6P

[half walrus]

oh neat it has 100x zoom

[tepid olive]

Funny thing is

[half walrus]

i can use one, but i cant justify buying one for myself

[tepid olive]

Mfer talks about how it’s hard to scratch a phone

[half walrus]

a $1k phone however I can

[tepid olive]

Well

[half walrus]

i haven't upgraded since the X came out

[tepid olive]

I got a really bad scratch on my phone

[lime pivot]

https://youtu.be/VVIGJCAx-I8

[tardy narwhal]

ah, i gotchu

[lime pivot]

there were a LOT of issues with the 6P

[tepid olive]

If it was measurable I’d put it at an 8-9

[half walrus]

ah neat it has macro as well

to get anything good out of an X right now you need ProCam

[lime pivot]

from being held together with screws into plastic to bending like crazy to battery shutdowns at 50% to wifi issues…

[half walrus]

and yeah this camera review kinda pokes holes in the other guys' thing on the camera

[tardy narwhal]

tbh still better than that shithole Nexus 6 from motorola

horrendous battery life

[tepid olive]

Yhdistän

[lime pivot]

I wanted to say no the 6 was fine, but I had both and the 6 had to be RMA’d because the wifi stopped working

[half walrus]

I can do a nice 1080@60 video on a lot of phones, but all of the specialized stuff I'd normally need DSLR and a shitload of lenses for this mostly covers

[tepid olive]

I want to take nice pictures

[lime pivot]

my 6P at least lasted, didn’t have any of the common issues, but I could feel the performance hit when the CPU got hot

[tardy narwhal]

I had the 6 too but it would never last me a day plus close to no cellular service

[half walrus]

have later iphones done anything about heat?

[lime pivot]

snapdragon 808/810 were offensively bad, got real fucking hot

[half walrus]

mine is hot as fuck right now just from video encoding

and probably charging earlier

[tepid olive]

Back in the summer I went on the bike trail and the path goes over the creek and I got this pic lol

It looks like it could be so much better tho

[lime pivot]

because Qualcomm just wanted to rush their first armv8 64-bit CPU to the market

[half walrus]

like it's been weird nobody's been talking about the heat issue much on iphones

fuckers regularly get hot as hell anymore

[tardy narwhal]

808 was fine, the 810 yeah fuck that

I don’t understand how qualcomm pushed that inferno onto the market

[tepid olive]

@half walrus wait I’m not the only one with this issue

????

[half walrus]

nope

[lime pivot]

nope but there’s a rumor of vapor chamber cooling in the next iphones

[tepid olive]

I could be playing some fucking text based game like BitLife

And it’s burning my hands

[tardy narwhal]

HTC M9 was so nice but major rip thanks to that chip

[half walrus]

since the X iirc they've had huge heat problems

might've even been on t8010 phones idk

[tepid olive]

[lime pivot]

which would help a ton in getting more speed by just allowing the CPU to run at a higher clock for longer

[tardy narwhal]

you can tame the 810 though

[lime pivot]

they could re-release the A14 as the A15 and claim it’s X% faster when in reality it’s just because it can afford to run hotter for longer

[tardy narwhal]

by disabling the big cluster

[lime pivot]

my X definitely feels like it gets hotter than my XS, it’s funny that

[half walrus]

oh my god and the fucking screen dimming every time i plug in my phone for more than 20 minutes

[lime pivot]

but A12 was a die shrink of A11 so I guess it was just that alone that helped

[half walrus]

my blind ass cant read my phone screen cuz the thing got too hot and dimmed itself

[lime pivot]

oh yeah my screen dims outside/in warm rooms so fucking annoying

[tardy narwhal]

how long do you have your xs by now?

[lime pivot]

although I amuse myself knowing Apple finally found a way to create a CPU fan for iPhones

fan: annoying on PCs
display dimming itself: annoying on phones

[lime pivot]

nov 2018 or so?

[tardy narwhal]

oh damn, any burn ins?

[lime pivot]

I don’t see any reason to upgrade

oh fuck yeah I have burn in

you better believe I do

though if you ask Rene Ritchie he’ll tell you burn in just doesn’t exist on iPhones

he tweeted that once so I replied with photos of my burn in

no reply, as expected

[tardy narwhal]

Lmao rip, yeah I got upset my xsmax had burn-ins as well. 2 years roughly now but my note8 from 2017 still none

made me really question if I used my phone wrong or the panel’s just shittier

[lime pivot]

it’s the phone 100% for sure

1. they skipped using LG panels in the X because they had very bad burn in issues, the Pixel 2 XL used it anyway and had those problems
2. they then used LG panels in the XS, but the issues continued to plague their panels

since 11 they’re using whatever that chinese name was

neither Samsung nor LG

[tardy narwhal]

that explains it, fuck

[tepid olive]

tmrw

[tardy narwhal]

yeah idk how to feel about it but I guess using samsungs for so long changed my expectations

[tepid olive]

thx

[tardy narwhal]

Like I didn’t believe it would burn in this quick, statusbar ghost is awkwardly visible during the day

[tepid olive]

it still feels like friday

[lime pivot]

IIRC they had an order with LG to dual-source displays for the X, LG delayed shipment because the burn-in issue was even worse than the Pixel 2 XL later had, so Apple was stuck with a production delay having to make an emergency order for more displays from Samsung

Friday was 16 hours ago

[tardy narwhal]

friday is not real gentlemen

[lime pivot]

thank god

[half walrus]

@tepid olive

[tepid olive]

we use EST here, we dont need your upside down times

[gentle grove]

the x window system

[tepid olive]

:sofuckingfunny:

[tepid olive]

Bourgeoisie propaganda

Timezones don’t exist

[gentle grove]

wayland is the w window system

[half walrus]

i am never satisfied with how curves comes out

cursed tool

[lime pivot]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/15/iphone-x-delays-could-stretch-into-2018-top-analyst-says.html

[tepid olive]

Orange

[half walrus]

orange--

[tepid olive]

True

[half walrus]

and with post processing on my phone bc i’m too lazy to get lightroom set up rn

wait

one more thing

[tepid olive]

damn it why am i so fucking tired

all ive done is get distracted on discord and stare at my screen for 6 hours in the dark trying to do a pointless assignment for a class i have no desire to take

[gentle grove]

it looks so washed out

although that's probably discord's fault

[tepid olive]

it does

[gentle grove]

discord does that to my images from my iphone too

discord uses dumb vcolor space

[tepid olive]

this one is much better on my client

[tepid olive]

there was a Spanish assignment I should've done today, but fuck that

this is history shit

its not even a fucking history course

its global relations or some bull crap

hate the course

hate the work

here i am at 12:40am on a friday trying to do it since i have nothing else to do since my parents are pissed at me rn

FUCK

its already saturday

thats what i meant

saturday

[restive ether]

_ _

capt doing swift moment

gonna off himself

[tepid olive]

i want to die rn

not like im sad, like, would be easier

[restive ether]

fixing bugs, his favorite

[tepid olive]

swift

nfr

why are you doing swift

capt you know asm why are you doing swift

[restive ether]

sileo

[tepid olive]

LOL

my man is still working on sileo batchy?

[restive ether]

no

sileo

[tepid olive]

just sileo in general?

[restive ether]

yes

[tepid olive]

oh lord

good luck

[restive ether]

i can’t wait until one of capt’s commits breaks it entirely on a release build

[tepid olive]

wait, youre still working on batchomatic?

.filter add batchomatic

[restive ether]

L

[tepid olive]

again?

i dont think it's ever been good

in your dreams

[restive ether]

capt when he removes openSSL off a u0 system

[tepid olive]

are you on sileo team now?

[restive ether]

lol

he added neovim, i can’t now

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

/repo procursus

[tepid olive]

Repo Info

Name

Procursus

Description

Distribution of essential tools for iPhoneOS

Packages

894

Sections

22

Native Depiction Support

true

URL

https://apt.procurs.us/

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Procursus · Jan 30, 2021, 5:29 AM

🆒

[[neovim]]

neovim

heavily refactored vim fork

Author

Hayden Seay

Version

0.4.4

Repo

Procursus

Bundle ID

neovim

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[restive ether]

[[neovim]]

[tepid olive]

neovim-locale

Locale files for neovim.

Author

Hayden Seay

Version

0.4.4

Repo

Procursus

Bundle ID

neovim-locale

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[[neovim-locale]]

Sudo

temporarily assume root priviledges

Author

Sam Bingner

Version

1.8.27-3

Repo

Bingner/Elucubratus

Bundle ID

sudo

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neovim-locale

Locale files for neovim.

Author

Hayden Seay

Version

0.4.4

Repo

Procursus

Bundle ID

neovim-locale

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1.8.27

[restive ether]

i hope sam updates his sudo

considering that vulnerability is kicking around

gn streaks

[tepid olive]

[[sudo]]

sudoku

9x9 grid number-placement puzzle

Author

Hayden Seay

Version

1.0.5

Repo

Procursus

Bundle ID

sudoku

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[restive ether]

gn

i didn’t even know pro had sudoku

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

still no mine sweeper

smh

[tepid olive]

aptitude has minesweeper

[restive ether]

oh for real

[half walrus]

done

@tepid olive

[restive ether]

looks like my house

[tepid olive]

it is

[restive ether]

oh

discord ruins everything

[tepid olive]

yes it will

[half walrus]

was it too subtle

im so tired

i worked for like 10 minutes on that

[tepid olive]

what was the joke

[half walrus]

zoom

[tepid olive]

LOL i honestly cant see it

oh

[half walrus]

[tepid olive]

no that tree in the top left looks the same tbh

nvm

just tired

[half walrus]

i

[restive ether]

i don’t get it

[tepid olive]

LOL

I saw this and got super excited https://git.dpkg.org/cgit/dpkg/dpkg.git/tree/TODO#n74
Then looked at the git blame, it's from 2007

bernie

lol

thats the joke

i was kidding

i saw it

[half walrus]

funny mitten old man meme

[tepid olive]

oh thats not biden

yeah bernie

i said that

[restive ether]

lol

[tepid olive]

How does dpkg get any development done?

[restive ether]

they don’t

[half walrus]

laugh now

[tepid olive]

guillem be like "Apply patches that I've reviewed and have no reason not to be applied? Nah"

[restive ether]

oh the dpkg pr needs to be updated

[tepid olive]

Omg it’s still fucked

What the fuck

[half walrus]

https://appleosophy.com/2021/01/29/exclusive-iphone-13-touch-id-leak/

[restive ether]

i hope so

all i ever wanted was embedded touch ID

[half walrus]

but apple never takes anything good from other phones

they just inspire other phones to suck more

[tepid olive]

What the fuck am I stuck in a macOS recovery loop

LMAOOO

[restive ether]

L

[tepid olive]

AHAHAHA IF THIS IS FUCKED SO AM I

I guess I should try to reset my csrutil config

[restive ether]

COURAGE

[tepid olive]

dyld: could not load inserted library 'nfr' because no suitable image found.

[restive ether]

nfr

[tepid olive]

its actually not named that but i cant send the actual name

its not a slur or anything but still not something i can share

[restive ether]

Carson’s Boot Image

CallMeCarson’s Boot Image

[tepid olive]

no

its not a boot image

AYYY this fucking worked

[restive ether]

delete dyld next time

[tepid olive]

2021-01-30 00:49:08.358 Host[1207:14010] REDACTED LOADED

HAHA

oooh an update for the host process

uh oh

they changed licensing

hmm

shouldnt matter

i doubt they check images

yeah we are fine

found device: Test Device (7)

nice

how is it that all my shit is working

[tepid olive]

How can check for spy my iphone 12 pro?

[lethal kayak]

Лорем ипсум долор сит амет, пер цлита поссит ех, ат мунере фабулас петентиум сит. Иус цу цибо саперет сцрипсерит, нец виси муциус лабитур ид. Ет хис нонумес нолуиссе дигниссим.

[tepid olive]

Лорем ипсум долор сит амет, пер цлита поссит ех, ат мунере фабулас петентиум сит. Иус цу цибо саперет сцрипсерит, нец виси муциус лабитур ид. Ет хис нонумес нолуиссе дигниссим.

@lethal kayak can u help?

Im Not vladimir

Alex 🤣

Good

Have fun

[tepid olive]

I like

[half walrus]

new logo time

incredibly unsatisfied with it but sleep beckons

[tepid olive]

why does every sec research person put asm or an IDA dump in the header

looks great tho

[tepid olive]

Hi can anyone help? Basically I have an iPhone Se first gen and the feature called screen Recognition was present but this feature is only available on the iPhone 10 S and above. It looked like it was definitely a glitch and Apple did not allow this but is there a way we can make it think that it is an iPhone XS and see if we can get this feature working on the older iPhones 

This feature is only available on iOS 14.

[tepid olive]

True Tone?

i can't understand what you mean

can you show an example

Sorry it an accessibility feature, if you are an iOS 14, go to settings then accessibility then VoiceOver

@tepid olive any idea?

oh yea i'm pretty sure this is heavily AI-influenced so if you need it actually just update

it's OCR i guess?

[grim sparrow]

it was use the neural engine in a12+

[opal ridge]

rip altstore ios 13.3.1

[grim sparrow]

fix eta s0n

it's just apple changing certificates

it's already been fixed on his end, update s0n

[tepid olive]

i just use ios app signer, altstore hasn't worked for me in months

[opal ridge]

no i mean

[tepid olive]

i use 2 apple ids because i broke codesigning on my main

[grim sparrow]

that's broken too

[tepid olive]

literally it can't sign anything

[opal ridge]

ios 13.3.1 has that bug for free dev cert

[grim sparrow]

Impactor, App Signer and AltStore all broke due to apples change

[opal ridge]

altstore 1.4+ never work on that

[grim sparrow]

L

[opal ridge]

which means that ios 13.3.1 users that have windows...

OOF

[tepid olive]

I understand but why did it appear in the SE and it actually worked but I want to see if it works for the iPhone X and I am on iOS 14

I have the iPhone 12 pro max, Love to see this feature working on the older phones

[gaunt mesa]

but supercharge didn't 😉

[grim sparrow]

I swear Kabir said yesterday it did

[gaunt mesa]

nope

[grim sparrow]

[gaunt mesa]

he's been working hard

from what we can tell it's a very small but dumb change

also supercharges stuff works a bit differently than altstore etc

[grim sparrow]

?

Well yeah it’s a small change but it did break supercharge

It was a small change in AltStore

[tepid olive]

there are (outdated) instructions for iOS App Signer that might apply

“No signing certificate found”
Open Keychain Access which is located in the Utilities folder inside Applications.
Select ‘Show Expired Certificates’ in the View menu.
Delete the expired version of the Apple Worldwide Developer Relations Certificate Authority Intermediate certificate from both the login and system keychains.
Download and install the renewed Apple WWDR certificate.

although the "renewed" one is the one that expired now

but if you do the same with the newest one, wouldn't it work

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

I don't have a Mac to test but yeah this probably broke most sideloading tools

somehow nobody was prepared even though the new intermediate has been available since September 2020 and they sent emails to developers

[grim sparrow]

I only got the email last week

[tepid olive]

well they sent one Jan 26, but the info about the new cert was available online before

[grim sparrow]

Don’t pretend like you read those things

[tepid olive]

I saw it when creating a certificate on the developer portal

but people who use macOS probably won't bother tbf

[grim sparrow]

Yeah I don’t lol

[tepid olive]

I had to do it the hard way, create stuff manually with openssl to use with zsign

[grim sparrow]

L

[gaunt mesa]

hello

[grim sparrow]

All my GitHub actions failed last night because of my certificate being dead

[gaunt mesa]

wait what

[grim sparrow]

I revoked all of my dev certificates yesterday

[gaunt mesa]

why

[faint timber]

Doing epic re as always

[grim sparrow]

memes init

[tepid olive]

I'm not revoking mine because my friends will be mad their apps stopped working

[grim sparrow]

lol

[tepid olive]

which is why I don't use AltStore with my paid dev acc too

because it would revoke the cert

[grim sparrow]

yeah

[tepid olive]

at first I was good when AltStore was the first thing I installed before creating the cert

but then I restored my phone

so reinstalling it would revoke shit

[grim sparrow]

I could do this actually

[gaunt mesa]

why does doing anything remotely smart wipe u out

[grim sparrow]

[gaunt mesa]

like after like doing stuff for 2 hours i'm too tired and i just hop on like gta or sm

[grim sparrow]

Pain

[faint timber]

It sucks I have 3 potential jobs but it’s not possible to take on 3 at once

[tardy narwhal]

brudda just pick the best one out of them

ez

[tepid olive]

[faint timber]

I don’t want to be a dick and dip out of the current one

So I won’t

[tardy narwhal]

can’t be a dick in the business world, it’s just about prospering

no hard feels

the one which pays you right and treats you well is the one you wanna be in later

that’s how I got into SAP lmao

[faint timber]

I found my answer keep the current job, do the other two later

[tardy narwhal]

yeet

[grim sparrow]

@misty cradle I was wrong, there’s a method I just learnt of that allows me to renew auth tokens constantly

So I can log a token once and use it forever

[misty cradle]

there always is

[grim sparrow]

I mean it’s very simple to use

It’s just called Ping

And you send an auth token, if response is pong it worked

[gaunt mesa]

@half walrus u online?

everytime i import substrate.h i get file not found lol

even tho i did go ahead and add $theos/vendor/include

[nimble parcel]

Anyone know which framework the iOS 14 call bar UI is implemented in? Need it for an example Orion tweak

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

Why not just change the slide to unlock text

[grim sparrow]

Make the dock transparent

[tepid olive]

wait nvm

yeah do that

[misty cradle]

he has already done that

the dock transparent has become the example of tweaks now after me saying it to everyone

[lapis vessel]

My first guess would be TelephonyUI

[tepid olive]

how to make dock transparent in asm

please

teach

mov x2 #0

no honestly idek

that probably fucks everything over

[twilit jungle]

It moves 0 into x2 register

[sick crane]

does anyone know what CGSWindow is?

i guess it's something coregraphics thing

[tepid olive]

isnt x2 supposed to be arg1

idek

never learned

just guessing

x0 was self, x1 cmd, x2 arg1, etc i thought

[twilit jungle]

Yes for an objc method call

[tepid olive]

wtf i guessed correct

omw make asm tweak

lmao that one line is the easy part

so moving 0 to x2 register and then calling the original function would probably work to set alpha to 0

idk what i am talking about tbh so please nobody shit on me as if i do

i wanna try that tbh

[twilit jungle]

Yes though you need lot more asm then that one line

[tepid olive]

yes

true

go ahead just have the entire executable be one line of asm

[twilit jungle]

You could probably try inline asm, if that works in objc.

[primal perch]

[tepid olive]

i shall

thats what i was doing

actually

how would i even write this in inline asm

__asm__(shit)

oh

LOL it compiled

oh boyy

[gaunt mesa]

@twilit jungle hello

[tepid olive]

inline asm? cringe!

noo it didnt work

rip

[twilit jungle]

[gaunt mesa]

what does substrate offer that pure runtime stuff doesn/t

[tepid olive]

- (void)setBackgroundAlpha:(double)arg1 {
    // Lol!
    __asm__(
        "mov x2, #0\n\t"
    );
    %orig();
}```
![nfr](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/736409443838984233.webp?size=128 "nfr")

[gaunt mesa]

just curious now that ive kinda been looking into these things

[tepid olive]

sigh

double wttf noo its cgfloat

@Cameron#0571 Hey, I was supposed to ask here, is there anyway I can get access to your toolchain for iOS 14+ sdks please?

@tepid olive

[primal perch]

[tepid olive]

Why did it not @, lol, stupid discord

[gaunt mesa]

discord be like that

[tepid olive]

My toolchain works with 14 sdks

[tepid olive]

Yeah, is there anyway I can get access/use it please?

[gaunt mesa]

wait u have a toolchain?

[tepid olive]

https://github.com/CRKatri/llvm-project/releases/tag/swift-5.3.2-RELEASE

[gaunt mesa]

what's it for

oh linux

[tepid olive]

yes

[tepid olive]

It's available for everyone

[tepid olive]

Is the link 4 messages above it?

yes

[pearl sail]

no johns please

@gaunt mesa stop being ...

[gaunt mesa]

what

@pearl sail huh

what are u talking abou?

[pearl sail]

[gaunt mesa]

ok?

[half walrus]

y are they tryna make dogecoin a thing

it literally has no market cap

it was made as a satire of altcoins

[tepid olive]

Anyone wanna write a manpage for uikittools' tools?

[pearl sail]

@tepid olive yes you volunteered yourself

[tepid olive]

anyone wanna write a manpage on getting a girlfriend?

[tepid olive]

please! that would be so helpful

[half walrus]

https://linux.die.net/man/8/shutdown

[tepid olive]

does mt seriously not work on darwin

dOes mT sErIouSly NoT wOrk oN dArWiN

[half walrus]

yo @gaunt mesa on IDE logos support

what if we just built a modified clangd

[tepid olive]

clangd on pro

[half walrus]

someone in this chat: mentions any cli tool

someone else in this chat: [tOoL] on pRoCuRSuS

[gaunt mesa]

so i was thinking about that

[tepid olive]

[gaunt mesa]

doesn't clangd have some sort of extension api

[half walrus]

no idea

i was just gonna shove in some regex

lol

[gaunt mesa]

also importing substrate.h gives me errors about file not found which is starting to bother me a lot again

[half walrus]

you added .dragon/include to header search, right?

[gaunt mesa]

theos/include

theos/vendor/include

adding to user header made it work in this project

but not the actual one

man xcode is just acting up now

going to preferences crashes it

[nimble parcel]

pro tip: if you open Xcode with xed it preserves your shell’s env so you might be able to get away with using $(THEOS)

[gaunt mesa]

hmm

i just set $THEOS_DIR inside my xcodeproj

autocomplete for the header works but then it says not found

wth

[half walrus]

gamre moment

also howett left me on read lol

[gaunt mesa]

LMAO

WHY IS THIS BROKEN

god

fucking xcode

[nimble parcel]

rip what’d you ask

[half walrus]

for a dump of the wiki

so

expected outcome

[gaunt mesa]

ok so i got somewhere

now the file isn't missing but the methods just don't exist

time to give up

[half walrus]

do u have dragon installed

[gaunt mesa]

no i use theos

[nimble parcel]

just use SPM the way Orion’s template does

[gaunt mesa]

for theos vendor?

[pearl sail]

Good

[half walrus]

if u have the dir sitting around ~/.dragonbuild/include/ seems to have everything xcode/appcode needs (??)

[gaunt mesa]

wheres the git repo for ur include

im just gonna download that

[nimble parcel]

it‘s set up so that stuff in $THEOS/[vendor/]{include,lib} can be used

[half walrus]

https://github.com/dragonbuild/include

[gaunt mesa]

i thought spm was for pure swift tho

[half walrus]

although i think(?) i just stole theos'? unsure

know i've made a few modifications

[gaunt mesa]

i think my xcode is just behaving like trash

[nimble parcel]

No it’s not

[gaunt mesa]

tf

[half walrus]

thanks theos maintainers

[nimble parcel]

I’d recommend making a fork so that you can pull upstream changes

[gaunt mesa]

and xcode just crashed again

i am so close to ragequitting

[half walrus]

I already have to delete and re-add DragonGen every time I push a change to it

git is mad annoying

[nimble parcel]

@gaunt mesa genuinely just listen to what I’m suggesting it’ll save you a lot of pain

[gaunt mesa]

so what

i just steal the SPM from orion

i need to be able to make this from scratch

[nimble parcel]

It’s also in preference_bundle_swift which doesn’t use Orion

[gaunt mesa]

ok

one sec

[nimble parcel]

Just check out the Makefile, Package.swift, and the folder structure

[gaunt mesa]

how do i update theos again

[nimble parcel]

plus you get the ability to use make dev from Theos

[nimble parcel]

make update-theos

[gaunt mesa]

OMG

FUCKING XCODE

i am about to scream

[half walrus]

mood

alright windows time

[gaunt mesa]

now my nic has 0 templates

WHAT THE FUCK

[half walrus]

mood

[gaunt mesa]

WHY IS EVERYTHING GOING HORRIBLY WRONG

[half walrus]

my theos install is constantly broken

[gaunt mesa]

I AM OUT

I HATE THIS

QUITTING DEV

MY XCODE JUST CRASHED AGAIN

OMFG

i think i should reinstall xcode

[tepid olive]

Xcode is always crashing it's normal

[half walrus]

yeah

thought you were conor for a sec

[tepid olive]

i can't open projects from the main view without it crashing

[tepid olive]

lmaoo

[tepid olive]

Procursus stans crazy

[half walrus]

my PC isn’t posting

[gaunt mesa]

ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW

[half walrus]

oh boy

[gaunt mesa]

UNINSTALLING XCODE JUST CRASHED MY MAC

[half walrus]

fr tho

[tepid olive]

We do have java minecraft tho

[gaunt mesa]

i'm about to fucking kill someone

[half walrus]

u deserve it but i never thought i’d see ppl stanning a bootstrap

[tepid olive]

Lmfao

[half walrus]

me me me

[tepid olive]

I was playing Minecraft on my phone earlier and only got 9 fps

The circlejerk is my fault its funny as shit

[gaunt mesa]

come over i'll shove ur head into my monitor

[tepid olive]

Wait for optimization

What phone tho im curious

6s

[gaunt mesa]

i swear procursus just radicalized people that already disliked bingner/elu

[half walrus]

yep

[gaunt mesa]

and hayden is just a troll so yeah

no offense

[tepid olive]

Id say it deredicalized them

Before it was blind hate

Now its all love

I think...

[gaunt mesa]

now its harassing people that don't use procursus

[half walrus]

now it’s more blind hate

[gaunt mesa]

imo that's worse

[half walrus]

yeah

[gaunt mesa]

like if u like procursus then use it but stfu i don't care

[half walrus]

and people screaming their lungs out about a nonprofit repo running ads

[tepid olive]

Ive always said let the user chose

[gaunt mesa]

ur a good example

the stans just don't listen

[tepid olive]

Ok, I'll tell you about how I use Linux instead

[half walrus]

the user doesnt give a fuck tho

[gaunt mesa]

i literally couldn't care less

[half walrus]

i’m a dev and idgaf about the bootstrap even

[gaunt mesa]

repeating hayden's words: "if you know the benefit of procursus then use it"

[tepid olive]

Yup. But when they wanna run java minecraft they can say “ah i gotta use procursus ok”

[half walrus]

yeah exactly

that’s the right attitude

[tepid olive]

i would be only procursus if my ssh worked on the right setup

[gaunt mesa]

that attitude is fine

[half walrus]

you never wanna push people into using your shit

[gaunt mesa]

its just the stans taht are trynna convert everyone to procursus religion

[tepid olive]

and uhh totallynotspyware/posixpwn doesn't exactly have procursus

[gaunt mesa]

@tepid olive looking at u

[tepid olive]

I think it is my fault though

[half walrus]

just make it the “if i wanna do this then i have no choice but to use x or spend a week of suffering”

[tepid olive]

I tell people “i will never tell checkra1n to use procursus, if you want them to adopt it then ask them yourself”

And then they do lol

[gaunt mesa]

uh oh

yeah you shouldn't have said that

[half walrus]

i’m glad u pestered geo about it tho

[tepid olive]

I mean thats how it should be

[half walrus]

assuming his jb ever comes out

[tepid olive]

I really didnt pester him that much honestly

He out of the blue just decided coolstar and i were cool and to use procursus

[gaunt mesa]

average procursus users are fine

the ones i dislike are the ones that wanna argue with me when i don't give a fuck

[tepid olive]

People who think im coolstar are great

[half walrus]

procursus is the linux of bootstraps

[tepid olive]

“I dont want to use procursus because its coolstar”

[gaunt mesa]

well hayden

[half walrus]

coolstars is the macos

[gaunt mesa]

to be fair

you are associated with coolstar quite a lot

[half walrus]

bingners strap is the windows

[tepid olive]

Because nobody else chose to associate with me

[half walrus]

which is very fitting he uses only windows

[gaunt mesa]

telesphoreo is MSDOS

[half walrus]

yes

[tepid olive]

I have, for years now, been open to both coolstar and pwn to work unifying shit

[gaunt mesa]

the problem is, either way that assumes procursus to coolstar

[tepid olive]

Pwn called me a slave and coolstar just said “ok”

[half walrus]

^ lol

[gaunt mesa]

i wish

xcode wouldn't suck

[half walrus]

bla bla appcode

[gaunt mesa]

well u see here

if it doesn't work in xcode it doesn't work in appcode

now waiting 10 decades

if it crashes when i open prefs im killing myself

[tepid olive]

@gaunt mesa clang

[gaunt mesa]

?

what about clang

[tepid olive]

why do you want xcode

[gaunt mesa]

because IDE is nice

and refactoring is nice

[tepid olive]

the ide is ass but ok

[gaunt mesa]

well i use appcode

[tepid olive]

i actually hate using xcode

[gaunt mesa]

but i need xcode to setup the actual project first

[half walrus]

^

ok hypixel time

[tepid olive]

ahh

[gaunt mesa]

u playing alone krit?

cuz i am on rn lol

[half walrus]

_kritanta

[gaunt mesa]

u want me to party u?

i sent u one

[pearl sail]

I just want a better bootstrap for MacOS

and iOS

[half walrus]

@gaunt mesa lol

[gaunt mesa]

bruhhhhh

we probably shouldn't chat here

[lethal ice]

🇬🇲

[half walrus]

how do people play without quake fov

[gaunt mesa]

i play at 95

[tepid olive]

brew is the funny