go build system 
#development
restive ether
half walrus
i've never even looked at the source for one
the closest i've done is https://github.com/kritantadev/ibootloader
narrow mason
Bad dragon
half walrus
trust me i wondered for months what project of mine deserved to bear the name
and i actually have 3 seperate projects named that
one is a userland watchos jailbreak in the same current state as leviathan
alright time to make bindiff cry 12 times in a row
half walrus
https://twitter.com/CStar_OW/status/1348743876614385666?s=20
there's no un-invasive way to accomplish this and if a tweak did this it'd be categorized as malware and removed from the repo
such a horrible idea
gaunt mesa
gm
gaunt mesa
https://twitter.com/CStar_OW/status/1348743876614385666?s=20
honestly this is horrible
half walrus
Twitter
gaunt mesa
yeah that's what i was about to say
putting your political opinions in ur software is bullshit
no wonder people use unc0ver 
half walrus
https://twitter.com/aspenluxxxy/status/1348747697658994689?s=20 stupid argument
Twitter
gaunt mesa
whatever half the shit aspen says is annoying
like "electron is horrible, use this rust alternative that no one gives a fuck about"
i have just discovered devspace.sh and i am so happy
narrow mason
aspen speaks out her ass
gaunt mesa
aspen is just pissed all the time
gaunt mesa
https://twitter.com/aspenluxxxy/status/1348747697658994689?s=20 stupid argument
also this is so invalid on many levels
narrow mason
i have also seen aspen just like
gaunt mesa
this is literally the reason why unc0ver is so much more popular
narrow mason
go absolutely insane in chats and say shit that honestly, just shouldn’t be said
narrow mason
Idk i think so
gaunt mesa
lmao
faint mango
honestly, "you are not entitled to anything" is used more as an excuse than a legitimate argument
see: that tweet
gaunt mesa
when
pearl sail
When people ask for things
pearl sail
You aren’t entitled to anything
gaunt mesa
ur not supposed to go out of your way to exclude someone from software unless its adversely affecting u
narrow mason
bitch i didn’t mean here
gaunt mesa
narrow mason
faint mango
like, i could use that "argument" to throw out any kind of criticism whatsoever
pearl sail
You can try
narrow mason
pearl sail
narrow mason
Hmm
faint mango
i honestly just want to say
"i am entitled to whatever i can get my hands on"
narrow mason
And nothing beyond that
gaunt mesa
false
gaunt mesa
man
narrow mason
What are you saying
narrow mason
That’s completely false bro
pearl sail
You aren’t entitled to food and water
gaunt mesa
you aren't entitled to life
faint mango
so basic human rights don't exist now?
gaunt mesa
nope
narrow mason
Lmao
pearl sail
Never have
half walrus
lord what'd i come back to
gaunt mesa
that should've been obvious
half walrus
i was yelling at cs
gaunt mesa
i was yelling at cs
where
narrow mason
You’re over here talking about people making shitty comebacks to arguments
half walrus
sileo #trusted
narrow mason
And you say that
gaunt mesa
ok time to check #trusted
half walrus
alright back to yelling at cs
narrow mason
True I’ll go look
faint mango
i dont have access to #trusted
narrow mason
Good
pearl sail
Good
pearl sail
Yes you aren’t entitled to it
faint mango
i was just arguing about people who say that to dismiss any argument
faint mango
since i can't get on it im not entitled to it see?
i said this unironically
anyways
i find it ironic that cs is imposing stuff on a jb
which by definition should stand for anti-proprietarianism and giving the user more control
yikes
gaunt mesa
everyone here that made something big is a hypocrite
twilit jungle
lmao thats not your property so that philosophy doesn’t apply
gaunt mesa
their head got overinflated
faint mango
lmao thats not your property so that philosophy doesn’t apply
whats not my property?
narrow mason
His whole logic is incredibly flawed
gaunt mesa
talking about how including procursus in said jailbreak = major freedom
at the same time blocking a full group of users
narrow mason
faint mango
just make everything oss unless you make money with it or you're ashamed of your code
i'm surprised the jb scene is so closed
gaunt mesa
just make everything oss unless you make money with it or you're ashamed of your...
yeah well this community is a toxic cesspool
pearl sail
Jailbreaks don’t give users anymore freedom
gaunt mesa
Jailbreaks don’t give users anymore freedom
yet this is still used as a bullshit argument
so either stop listing that reason or stop being a hypocrite
u can't have both
faint mango
i am using all the other unlock/homebrew communities as a reference for that, because on almost all of them all the tools are open
faint mango
why can't we have community stuff instead of just one overlord
narrow mason
What about check
faint mango
well same thing
twilit jungle
I am probably the last person that should be counter arguing against OSS, but the reason why there is less OSS in this community is because lot of developers are just copy pasting existing OSS.
narrow mason
what about cock
I am probably the last person that should be counter arguing against OSS, but the reason why there is less OSS in this community is because lot of developers are just copy pasting existing OSS.
gaunt mesa
I am probably the last person that should be counter arguing against OSS, but th...
and then hiding their shit because
narrow mason
Yeah true i talked to spark about this once privately
faint mango
its still one or a limited number of people that actually hold the tools to jailbreak, they just give closed binaries to us, like a service
narrow mason
And it sucks how much shit he actually gets for not open sourcing his work
gaunt mesa
well
narrow mason
Like he gets quite literally attacked
narrow mason
Pee
gaunt mesa
cuz those are libraries that are meant to be used across multiple tweaks
pearl sail
Look at other communities and tell me where you can truly achieve true freedom with complete control over your product it legitimately doesn’t exist
narrow mason
He can’t
faint mango
the BIG things should be open sourced, why should only a limited number of people have the knowledge and code that was the result of research done to benefit the community in the first place?
narrow mason
he can barely back up any argument
half walrus
can i get a sparknotes on the argument in here rn
gaunt mesa
basically
narrow mason
because that’s how the dev wants it to be
faint mango
because that’s how the dev wants it to be
that's really not an argument
gaunt mesa
@half walrus tldr this community is built different cuz everything is close sourced
and the triopoly that controls it rn sucks
half walrus
if he's saying jailbreaks should be OSS he's absolutely right
faint mango
but you used it as an argument to answer my rethorical question
pearl sail
That is in all communities
twilit jungle
Thats the thing... making the big thing open source just leads to BIG thing + dark mode tools with little to (very small reference to the original)... lot of people just doing it for the clout...
gaunt mesa
i don't understand how millions of desperate people can trust running someone elses tool on their phone
narrow mason
No i just replied with a fact
half walrus
Thats the thing... making the big thing open source just leads to BIG thing + da...
who gives a shit
gaunt mesa
especially one that bypasses security features
narrow mason
twilit jungle
The people that made the big thing give a shit...
pearl sail
especially one that bypasses security features
At that point don't use products unless you make everything yourself
narrow mason
I agree everything should be foss but what the fuck can you do.
gaunt mesa
At that point don't use products unless you make everything yourself
or u have the ability to see the source?
faint mango
Thats the thing... making the big thing open source just leads to BIG thing + da...
and what's the problem? that's kind of the idea, if the price to pay in order to have the community actually own the tools instead of a bunch of people only is that some bootlegs may appear, i think that's fair
gaunt mesa
the people who make these tools are whiny and can't take that
half walrus
know why we have 2 people total who control the entirety of the scene >=A12?
narrow mason
Well not every one of them feel the same
half walrus
the people who make these tools are whiny and can't take that
yep
twilit jungle
And what is there to gain from community owning it?
faint mango
because the openness of CORE tools is more important than the possibillity of bootlegs
gaunt mesa
And what is there to gain from community owning it?
bus factor
im kidding about that btw
half walrus
And what is there to gain from community owning it?
that's the whole point of jailbreak
narrow mason
Well, to that I can see the gain on one side, but not on the other
pearl sail
or u have the ability to see the source?
I can't see the source of iOS yet I put my trust into Apple to do the right thing
gaunt mesa
I can't see the source of iOS yet I put my trust into Apple to do the right thin...
sorry but that's different and invalid
apple has proven itself
faint mango
I can't see the source of iOS yet I put my trust into Apple to do the right thin...
Apple has monetary reasons to not open source iOS. Jailbreak tool devs do not
half walrus
this is a good discussion no cap
narrow mason
gaunt mesa
lol
half walrus
fr
narrow mason
No shit sherlock @faint mango
faint mango
at least every dev except pwn LOL
pearl sail
Apple has proven itself in what ways?
gaunt mesa
half walrus
readme dev
twilit jungle
The reason why a very few are currently holding power of those tools is because other people aren't spending time to gain that knowledge.
half walrus
The reason why a very few are currently holding power of those tools is because ...
from where
gaunt mesa
apple has proven itself over the years of trust it has gained with its consumers and its semi transparency about the privacy features it uses
meanwhile some random ass tweak could gain root on ur phone and fuck it up
twilit jungle
How do you think those few currently in power got that knowledge?
pearl sail
Apple has monetary reasons to not open source iOS. Jailbreak tool devs do not
Isn't most of Android opened sourced?
gaunt mesa
D
faint mango
The reason why a very few are currently holding power of those tools is because ...
and why should other people spend time if the knowledge is already there? why should anyone be forced to learn everything if other person already knows it and could publish that knowledge?
twilit jungle
If the only way you learn to become them is through reading there coding then imo you shouldn't be there.
narrow mason
What the fuck
narrow mason
and why should other people spend time if the knowledge is already there? why sh...
What the fuck is this argument
gaunt mesa
AOSP vs AOSP+GAPPS
half walrus
one of them has been in charge since redsnow and the other developed hackintosh drivers for several years
gaunt mesa
Chromium vs Chrome
faint mango
What the fuck is this argument
not in general/life, just in jb tools developement
narrow mason
You’re literally saying people shouldn’t learn something because someone else did it? No not about that
half walrus
If the only way you learn to become them is through reading there coding then im...
other way being?
narrow mason
Even in jb dev
half walrus
no documentation
gaunt mesa
or if it is its not easy to find
faint mango
You’re literally saying people shouldn’t learn something because someone else di...
i'm not saying devs should do writeups for their jailbreaks, i'm saying that publishing the code helps people learn while also making a barrier
half walrus
only good docs cost $300
half walrus
levin's
twilit jungle
lmao, all you should need is the tools of gathering the information you need.
half walrus
all of the information/files are squatted on
gaunt mesa
true
narrow mason
why should anyone be forced to learn everything if other person already knows it and could publish that knowledge?
half walrus
you need the right friends or the process of developing anything is going to take you another 6 months
can attest to that personally
twilit jungle
Okay and reading their final OSS code is going to speed that how?
gaunt mesa
this deadass reminds me of a village
some dude knows everything
and passes it down
and the information gets lost
narrow mason
Okay and reading their final OSS code is going to speed that how?
This.
half walrus
i just did what took someone a week in 5 minutes bc i happened to have a file they didn't on my drive bc someone gave me a file
gaunt mesa
the OSS thing to learn is not a strong point
half walrus
Okay and reading their final OSS code is going to speed that how?
because its the next best thing we have for docs
gaunt mesa
but there are still other reasons the big tools should be OSS
narrow mason
You need to be properly shown how exactly the code that’s being published works in every way. And no comments wont do shit
pearl sail
apple has proven itself over the years of trust it has gained with its consumers...
Apple legitimately can shut down anyone of dev on their platform anywhere at anytime and give no reason. They do it a lot I don't see how you can say blind trust in a trillion dollar company can be earned when they legitimately have cooperated with federal agencies when they need to give them users data
faint mango
>>> why should anyone be forced to learn everything if other person already know...
if there's already people with that base knowledge, they could publish resources to help others learn and get said knowledge
narrow mason
Jesus
narrow mason
I can’t tell if you’re a troll.
gaunt mesa
was
faint mango
just fucking READ
half walrus
if he's trolling so am i lol
twilit jungle
narrow mason
I wanted to make sure i was reading what i was
narrow mason
And in response i say
faint mango
done, edited so you can actually focus on the argument itself
narrow mason
Oh 
half walrus
lack of foss jailbreaks, exploitation code, post exploitation code, details, etc
narrow mason
Bruh
half walrus
are a huge problem right now
narrow mason
That was the same thing you fucking said earlier
gaunt mesa
yeah
half walrus
anyone here know how to remount the root filesystem offhand?
narrow mason
Literally
gaunt mesa
we literally have the exploit
lethal kayak
writeups are pog
faint mango
are a *huge* problem right now
holy shit someone actually gets my point
narrow mason
Lmao
gaunt mesa
like idfk how u would make a jailbreak from an exploit
i could probably find half the shit i need on google
narrow mason
Dude you have no idea at all how to back up your arguments.
half walrus
like idfk how u would make a jailbreak from an exploit
just go check the source for one
ah nvm they all closed source
lethal kayak
anyone here know how to remount the root filesystem offhand?
no
twilit jungle
Anyways like I said, I am the last person that should be arguing against OSS but previous OSS jailbreak isn't going to teach you how to make a jailbreak unless you learn the basic of exploiting, basics of iOS in general. In which case all you are learning from those OSS jailbreak is a new place of doing X.
half walrus
no <:fr:712506651520925698>
wanna know why i do?
lethal kayak
why
gaunt mesa
true
half walrus
i have u0 source
faint mango
Dude you have no idea at all how to back up your arguments.
you're the one who seems to disagree on the whole oss/knowledge thing
gaunt mesa
wtf krit
lethal kayak
isn't the odyssey method open source
narrow mason
You know what I disagree on?
why should anyone be forced to learn everything if other person already knows it and could publish that knowledge?
half walrus
no idea @lethal kayak, but if so that makes the same point
lethal kayak
true
half walrus
>>> why should anyone be forced to learn everything if other person already know...
i have been saying this for my entire time in this community
narrow mason
I am fully for people open sourcing their work, but not for that reason.
half walrus
argue with me on it
that is why i open source
that's why my site can print its own code
gaunt mesa
TIL the touchbar has an emoji button
narrow mason
Id rather not tbh, because I respect your work and you’re allowed to do as you see fit
Whether or not I agree
half walrus
that's why i've tried to contribute so much to the wiki
pearl sail
Bingner and Pwn dropping the ball on Unc0ver source code was probably the funniest moment of 2020
half walrus
that's why i've yelled at sparkdev and why i don't like him as much as i respect him
half walrus
knowledge hoarding is a massive problem in this community
faint mango
also can we talk about how odyssey seem to have stopped being open source
lethal kayak
isn't the odyssey method open source
half walrus
why isn't snowboard open source btw
because spark is against the idea of sharing his knowledge
gaunt mesa
bruh
half walrus
and that's not an exaggeration
faint mango
odyssey is closed source now
faint mango
yes it is, the latest version was released 3 months ago
no source code for it on the github
twilit jungle
Also you don't really need the source to learn how the jailbreak works, even if there are no write ups. You should be able to get the general location from CVE and rest is up to you to figure out (granted its going to take longer).
pearl sail
The 13.5.1 - 13.7 is not opened yet
narrow mason
I won’t intervene this as he’s a close friend 
but his work being open would be quite cool
half walrus
why isn't snowboard open source btw
had a nice heated talk with him about it
he wants people to 'learn it themselves'
gaunt mesa
the fuck
half walrus
the convo was specifically about hyperion
gaunt mesa
that's bullshit
half walrus
but it applies to all of his work
gaunt mesa
man spark is making bank
half walrus
and you know what happens when people 'learn it on their own'?
faint mango
aka "i enjoy being the only one with the source code" probably
half walrus
really fucking shitty, dangerous, tweaks getting released
gaunt mesa
and you know what happens when people 'learn it on their own'?
they implement it poorly?
narrow mason
He just got a new job pog
half walrus
yup
gaunt mesa
yep
lethal kayak
knowledge hoarding is a huge problem which is why levin's books are great imo despite the people that don't like him
faint mango
some people just get off on power tbh
gaunt mesa
once the thought of money comes up
narrow mason
Some is an understatement
gaunt mesa
knowledge hoarding increases
half walrus
knowledge hoarding is a huge problem which is why levin's books are great imo de...
$300 entry barrier is not very cash money
gaunt mesa
unpog
narrow mason
Hmm today i will
twilit jungle
3 months old code isn't very different... its still the same program, probably a few more bug fixes but its still exploiting in the same way. At this point you are just arguing to get the final source code so you can use/redistribute without the original person knowing...
faint mango
once the thought of money comes up
that's the thing i don't get
jailbreak tools are FREE, and besides u0, WITH NO ADS
why they would be closed source just escapes me
gaunt mesa
funny that the developers here remind me of rainbow 6 siege
the skill gap is ridiculous
half walrus
the skill gap is ridiculous
not even skill gap
gaunt mesa
the knowledge gap
half walrus
that's what annoys me
gaunt mesa
the access to libraries gap
the access to big brain knowledge gap
call it what u want
gaunt mesa
litten sus asf
half walrus
@narrow mason no
twilit jungle
knowledge doesn't matter...
narrow mason
He just did
half walrus
litten is sucking herself off over not charging
gaunt mesa
@lethal kayak are u close sourced?
lethal kayak
yeah
gaunt mesa
half walrus
this is about oss
pearl sail
oof
lethal kayak
ultra AI 2.0 is closed source
narrow mason
Oh yeah true
gaunt mesa
that's the thing i don't get
jailbreak tools are FREE, and besides u0, WITH NO A...
because knowledge hoarding
why else
narrow mason
My peepee open source
gaunt mesa
renAI is closed
narrow mason
half walrus
there are so many people in this channel smarter and more skilled than i am
twilit jungle
half walrus
just had a conversation with someone i can't mention who made that so painfully clear
faint mango
3 months old code isn't very different... its still the same program, probably a...
it's also about standards
open source is a STANDARD, with its core idea being... guess what? The source code for every binary of the project having public source code! And having the legal permission to redistribute it/modify it
in any normal open source project, you can see the commits before the release itself, developement itself is open
now just look at odyssey, 3 months now and no code... and they call the project ""open source""...
half walrus
who's managed to pull off some amazing stuff without access to any of what i have
and man that's
narrow mason
i mean all of us can say that, there can only be one on the top in terms intelligence levels
half walrus
so bullshit
gaunt mesa
okay im just gonna clarify one thing
narrow mason
Wonder who it is
gaunt mesa
before dgh0st replies
pearl sail
The thundergod jailbreak is the reason 13.5.1 - 13.7 Odyssey isn't opened source
narrow mason
Who is the smartest
gaunt mesa
coolstar's idea of open source is a fucking joke
narrow mason
True
gaunt mesa
and people do that, i heavily disagree with just dumping source
faint mango
The thundergod jailbreak is the reason 13.5.1 - 13.7 Odyssey isn't opened source
I say it again:
the possibillity/existence of bootlegs is LESS IMPORTANT than the openness of a project
pearl sail
Most opened source jailbreaks are the same
half walrus
they had to go through so much shit i just ran a bindiff in IDA to accomplish
fucking absurd
gaunt mesa
but its something we have to deal with
even apple does that where they dump XNU every few months
but i think that's cuz their source control got fucked up years ago
narrow mason
half walrus
have had to argue with people repeatedly about putting out some of what i have
bc others should have it
faint mango
I wouldn't even complain if the source code got pushed with each release
gaunt mesa
kritanta: exposer of DRMs
narrow mason
Kritanta: nep
gaunt mesa
faint mango
but you can't say it's open source just because the code for a previous version is open
half walrus
**kritanta**: exposer of DRMs
leaked dumps from factory developer testing phones
no point in not saying that ig
gaunt mesa
lol
half walrus
symbolicated kernels and kexts
pearl sail
Does u0 still have DRM or whatever to stop their logs from being produce?
gaunt mesa
but you can't say it's open source just because the code for a previous version ...
there's another term for it
faint mango
leaked dumps from factory developer testing phones
do they have like
debug symbols
half walrus
yes
narrow mason
Kritantas title is: Ghostwriter of Central
half walrus
they have everything
faint mango
there's another term for it
"Source available"?
half walrus
symbols for all arm64 phones, another for all arm64e phones
narrow mason
Ghost typing a book
gaunt mesa
half walrus
kernel uncached, fully symbolicated
faint mango
I tried to argue on the sileo server that source available =/= open source
they laughed at my face basically
half walrus
dsc with stubs
gaunt mesa
sileo server's general channels is a bunch of simps
narrow mason
They’re all a joke
gaunt mesa
yeah
faint mango
ah, good, now i feel better
half walrus
oh and it has a full bootstrap lol
narrow mason
I can’t believe burrito is fucking trusted
twilit jungle
it's also about standards
open source is a STANDARD, with its core idea being......
lmao OSS does not mean any of that. Just cause something is open source, you are just allowed to do fk all you want with it. There are specific licenses but that is a different argument in general... I don't agree with whatever is going on with Oddysey/Electra's fake open source shit but 3 month old source isn't going to be much different from current source code jailbreak exploiting wise.
gaunt mesa
u literally got demoted cuz of that
narrow mason
And cs sympathized with him
gaunt mesa
narrow mason
Lmao
gaunt mesa
i can ban him
gaunt mesa
but ill get my mod yeeted
faint mango
i was discussing open source there and one of the persons just told me "that point is dumb like u"
half walrus
lmao OSS does not mean any of that. Just cause something is open source, you are...
u0 source is extremely different from github source
gaunt mesa
the last time i checked sileo before today was in october of 2020
half walrus
:P
faint mango
and that person was a beta tester
twilit jungle
And thats a different story
gaunt mesa
lmao OSS does not mean any of that. Just cause something is open source, you are...
"odyssey/electra" u mean just electra
twilit jungle
u0 improves performance by 200% every release... which doesn't exactly make sense either.
faint mango
lol cameren is decent
gaunt mesa
it's the same shit over again just rebranded
narrow mason
Yeah ik I’m just messing i love cam
gaunt mesa
u0 is 900% more performant than its initial release at this point
twilit jungle
Yeah... how does that work?
faint mango
also
half walrus
i was discussing open source there and one of the persons just told me "that poi...
ur gonna get shit for having an opinion regardless of what it is, dont get butthurt over it, dont take it personally, it'll get you far in life
i argue with mass1ve constantly but we still chill
gaunt mesa
i mean the numbers are 100% exaggerated but u0 is wayyy more stable for me than it's been for a while
narrow mason
Pe
gaunt mesa
it seems like its gotten significantly better
faint mango
the best thing about odyssey was how they tried to bypass the gpl by putting time_waste on a fucking zip file inside the source tree
lethal kayak
the fact that u0 has the ad shit makes me never use it
narrow mason
It’s gotten not just significantly
half walrus
gpl dumb license
narrow mason
But exponentially
gaunt mesa
idk why coolstar hates GNU GPL
half walrus
bc gpl sucks
narrow mason
Because cs
twilit jungle
faint mango
because he hates open source
lethal kayak
because it's a virus
half walrus
^
faint mango
a good virus
gaunt mesa
even if it does suck its still so widely used
lethal kayak
it's not a good virus
narrow mason
a good virus
half walrus
it is a bad virus
narrow mason
Thats a new one
lethal kayak
there's no such thing as a good virus
gaunt mesa
ah i hate linux cuz its GNU
lethal kayak
mf
twilit jungle
GPL is the worst of open source
gaunt mesa
narrow mason
Lol
faint mango
its a good infection
gaunt mesa
GPL is a good enforcement license
lethal kayak
mfer would get ebola and call it a good virus
half walrus
GPLv3 is a pain in the fucking ass
restive ether
mfer would get ebola and call it a good virus
_ _
narrow mason
Man this guy isn’t a troll and that’s what makes it even sadder
restive ether
🗿
twilit jungle
restive ether
working on it
pearl sail
I wish sometimes I was a troll
narrow mason
Like me
half walrus
he's right
narrow mason
half walrus
just not good at explaining it lol
faint mango
it forces you to open source if you use GPL'd code
and you can use the argument that everybody who agrees with jailbreaks going closed source use
"don't like it? don't use it"
narrow mason
narrow mason
Looking for deez nuts
gaunt mesa
ok buddy
pearl sail
2022 Checkra1n Source incoming?!??!
narrow mason
Lmao
faint mango
oooh dont get me started on checkra1n
narrow mason
What a fucking joke
half walrus
it forces you to open source if you use GPL'd code
and you can use the argument ...
gpl imo undermines the entire point of open source
faint mango
gpl imo undermines the entire point of open source
wut
gaunt mesa
i don't doubt checkra1n will be open sourced
narrow mason
And then they go “ohh we aren’t going to do as promised, but here’s this”
twilit jungle
Yes he is right that jailbreaks being OSS is good but that doesn't mean latest jailbreak source should be provided just cause.
narrow mason
gaunt mesa
half walrus
its a modified gpl but you wouldn't know
narrow mason
Wtf DragonBreak
narrow mason
what’s the n for
faint mango
Yes he is right that jailbreaks being OSS is good but that doesn't mean latest j...
the thing is: it's paradoxical
jailbreak itself is an anti-proprietary movement
so why would you make tools that advocate for freedom... proprietary?
half walrus
it's how i enforce gpl, so i figured i'd just write my own and skip the whole gpl cancer
twilit jungle
the thing is: it's paradoxical
jailbreak itself is an anti-proprietary movement
...
The tool is not your property...
restive ether
Wtf DragonBreak
BadDragon
gaunt mesa
bruh u literally made it
pearl sail
Checkra1n didn't get opened sourced cause the SEP exploit they were using on old ass iPhones is too valuable love that arguement
half walrus
Wtf DragonBreak
watch jailbreak is named bad_dragon close enough
narrow mason
Windows HD how
faint mango
The tool is not your property...
iOS also isn't, and yet here we are happily violating the EULA
narrow mason
Howevwpehwowgo
gaunt mesa
Checkra1n didn't get opened sourced cause the SEP exploit they were using on old...
the SEP exploit is open?
faint mango
yeah
gaunt mesa
isn't it part of pongo or whatever
half walrus
pain
twilit jungle
We are violating that to gain full access to the hardware that you own...
gaunt mesa
pongooooooOS
half walrus
when you agree with someone but they're so godawful at communicating their point
faint mango
sorry english is not my native lang
half walrus
faint mango
i wish i could express myself better :(
gaunt mesa
iOS also isn't, and yet here we are happily violating the EULA <:troll:794397046...
eula
half walrus
argue with me please u all
twilit jungle
gaunt mesa
guys make sure to violate the minecraft eula
narrow mason
Its not your english. Trust me
twilit jungle
half walrus
i've been yelling about this same shit for over a year
restive ether
go ahead
narrow mason
@twilit jungle 
half walrus
you already sent me leviathan source @vivid dew
restive ether
twilit jungle
pearl sail
the SEP exploit is open?
blackra1n or whatever it is called is opened source so I don't know what they are smoking on the checkra1n team but I want it
restive ether
narrow mason
checkra1n
restive ether
gay barbie gay barbie
faint mango
The tool is not your property...
YES i know
but what does that change?
apparently just because i don't own it i can't critizice the decisions involved around it?
narrow mason
gaunt mesa
restive ether
half walrus
im ngl checkra1n is probably closed source bc the codebase is probably trash
gaunt mesa
why do people jailbreak
half walrus
and nothing else
gaunt mesa
for fucking 9999999 status bar icons
restive ether
im ngl checkra1n is probably closed source bc the codebase is probably trash
i fully believe this
narrow mason
I do it to jack off
restive ether
gaunt mesa
if we eliminate those people jailbreaking would die
twilit jungle
YES i know
but what does that change?
apparently just because i don't own it i c...
lmao you can criticize all you want. Just don't force/expect others to OSS their property cause you want it.
half walrus
for fucking 9999999 status bar icons
every time i see an ugly cancer setup i think "this is why we jailbreak"
restive ether
for fucking 9999999 status bar icons
gaunt mesa
literally
pearl sail
im ngl checkra1n is probably closed source bc the codebase is probably trash
This and Jamie is slow asf at doing thing for window's driver apparently
restive ether
saw this in #jailbreak
narrow mason
Goid i hate EU
restive ether
blessed up
gaunt mesa
jules
half walrus
This and Jamie is slow asf at doing thing for window's driver apparently
someone already ported checkm8 to windows
lol
it's all there
narrow mason
He no longer exists RIP
half walrus
and
faint mango
here's the fucking killer argument
they say they don't want to open source the WIP windows stuff because people will make shit versions that don't work
yet they also didn't open source the mac/linux versions
restive ether
they could’ve opened sourced it and most of this would’ve been done tbh
pearl sail
Yeah I know Jamie is just laziest mfer on the team
half walrus
cellebrite already has their tools running checkm8 on windows
restive ether
linux & windows issues would’ve probably been fixed
narrow mason
it’s not even laziness at this point
half walrus
the reason checkra1n isn't on windows yet is pure speculation
narrow mason
lmao
gaunt mesa
not in this community no
narrow mason
Because no one can
twilit jungle
narrow mason
gaunt mesa
because no one knows how to
half walrus
not in this community no
bull
restive ether
i can’t even read let alone contribute
faint mango
is it actually true that people in the community are 80% 12-13 yr olds
pearl sail
not in this community no
Most I have seen people contribute to a open source project is procursus
narrow mason
I did a pr for update readme
restive ether
yes @narrow mason is in that range
half walrus
gaunt mesa
lol
faint mango
also yes i make my own oss projects if you ask
restive ether
9 is honestly a high contributor list for anything in the ios scene
gaunt mesa
idk why but i was thinking of something like expressjs or vscode
gaunt mesa
9 is honestly a high contributor list for anything in the ios scene
facts
twilit jungle
narrow mason
He’s in this server somewhere
gaunt mesa
narrow mason
pearl sail
Diego doesn't even know who Diego is
restive ether
pro has 18
narrow mason
Hes a stupid mexican
half walrus
@gaunt mesa ish
faint mango
he uploaded a vid on yt
half walrus
have fun you're gonna be getting these all night
faint mango
with default movie maker transitions
gaunt mesa
<@!700707501493977198> ish
what is that
half walrus
linux emulator
narrow mason
Hmm i am on the cockbreak team
gaunt mesa
lmao
restive ether
hmm today i will
narrow mason
shut up
restive ether
join the blockhead dev team
narrow mason
Today you wil lshut up
gaunt mesa
narrow mason
Please
gaunt mesa
ah here
twilit jungle
I mean just look at the 8 or 9 knock offs of enable switcher gesture on unsupported tweak... its literally copy pasting code instead of contributing to the original (hell the original shouldn't even exist the way it is).
twilit jungle
Thats perfect example of why this community is not cut out for OSS
restive ether
@narrow mason remember castimarie 
narrow mason
Yeah bitch i also remember having to bail u cause u fell for it at first
faint mango
because 80% of ppl in the jb community don't know how to properly develop stuff, the jailbreak devs get put in a pedestal and get a pass for stuff that would be seen as trashy in other homebrew communities
narrow mason
gaunt mesa
alright its time to leave the community again
half walrus
because 80% of ppl in the jb community don't know how to properly develop stuff,...
amen
narrow mason
Knowledge Whore Ding
restive ether
Yeah bitch i also remember having to bail u cause u fell for it at first
LMAO
narrow mason
Remember the testing server
gaunt mesa
because 80% of ppl in the jb community don't know how to properly develop stuff,...
u wouldn't believe how badly some devs get treated at times
narrow mason
Was nothing but me trolling
restive ether
hmm today i will be taking my weekly leave of absence
gaunt mesa
restive ether
see you next week ~conor
faint mango
u wouldn't believe how badly some devs get treated at times
goes back to the point of 80% being 9-13 yr olds
gaunt mesa
true
gaunt mesa
can we just paywall jailbreaking
lethal kayak
hmmm today i will do months of research and not share my knowledge so i can make a tool that i make $0 off of but be put on a pedestal by the community
restive ether
imagine if you just made like a $2 jailbreak
narrow mason
pearl sail
can we just paywall jailbreaking
Get rid of 90% of the community like that
restive ether
i’d love that
half walrus
@twilit jungle is there any other homebrew scene where closed source root packages is seen as remotely normal?
why is that ok here?
gaunt mesa
even better: sell something that you didn't make and make it super expensive
restive ether
just make sure it doesn’t suck
half walrus
especially with how insecure we've designed the whole fucking thing
faint mango
and you know what the worst thing about all of this is? Apple is probably laughing their ass off about how the jb scene is today
instead of a community we just worship the same 3 devs / teams that love to make proprietary stuff for an anti-proprietary cause
narrow mason
Tbh i just open sourced all my work last night. Even my jailbreak
faint mango
apple probably loves it
pearl sail
even better: sell something that you didn't make and make it super expensive
pwn but pay
gaunt mesa
jailbreaks aren't currently secure by design
half walrus
why is the whole scene so attached to closed source on top of that?
restive ether
especially with how insecure we've designed the whole fucking thing
checkra1n
gaunt mesa
pwn but pay
okay im sorry but this is false
narrow mason
Apple is not even paying attention to this that much
half walrus
jailbreaks aren't currently secure by design
which would be ok if closed source weren't the norm
narrow mason
Not that closely
twilit jungle
Lol I am not arguing against OSS, all I am saying is this community isn't cut out for it.
narrow mason
They don’t care to those lvels
restive ether
they excuse making some things intentionally bad because the “security mode was already compromised”
gaunt mesa
Lol I am not arguing against OSS, all I am saying is this community isn't cut ou...
i don't think it'll ever be
half walrus
Lol I am not arguing against OSS, all I am saying is this community isn't cut ou...
because of a lack of it
twilit jungle
Not at all
gaunt mesa
rip pings
narrow mason
I don’t remember 2019 there was too much drugs
twilit jungle
its the lack of wanting to spend time learning is what is causing it to further be less OSS.
half walrus
its not cut out for open source because any open source at all is a holy grail to someone trying to learn literally anything about anything
gaunt mesa
i think knowledge hoarding is the bigger problem
pearl sail
I don’t remember 2019 there was too much drugs
same
narrow mason
Like really man most of 2019 is blurry
gaunt mesa
what's 2019
twilit jungle
If you learn how to gain knowledge then knowledge hoarding isn't going to stop you...
gaunt mesa
fr
narrow mason
wtf
faint mango
look, if the jailbreaks themselves were oss, that would be it.
who cares about tweaks being closed, that's ok
but the jailbreaks are the pillars of the community
a community that pliedges on ANTI-PROPRIETARY IDEALS
has its pillars on PROPRIETARY TOOLS!
restive ether
i think if the dev wiki got updated and more in-depth it would be less of an issue
gaunt mesa
i think if the dev wiki got updated and more in-depth it would be less of an iss...
no one cares enough to update it
narrow mason
Ok nvm
restive ether
bruh the tweaks are just as dangerous
pearl sail
i think if the dev wiki got updated and more in-depth it would be less of an iss...
true
narrow mason
Yeag
restive ether
the tweaks designed are 500% worse than the jailbreak itself
twilit jungle
i think if the dev wiki got updated and more in-depth it would be less of an iss...
Yeah if people stopped open sourcing and only did that... in its current state the first thing people are doing is looking for OSS to copy off.
faint mango
yeah but at least they are not the core tools of the community
gaunt mesa
even if u run audited tweak code its still super insecure by design cuz the jailbreak is insecure by design
lethal kayak
we talk about how knowledge hoarding sucks but nothing happens
faint mango
the core stuff are the jailbreaks themselves
lethal kayak
it sounds corny, but why don't we do something to actually change it
narrow mason
I’m going to block him
gaunt mesa
but i got shit on when i brought it up in november
faint mango
it sounds corny, but why don't we do something to actually change it
like what?
narrow mason
Now
pearl sail
tweaks are 95% reason people jailbreak and use them
restive ether
i already blocked you
lethal kayak
idk
lethal kayak
need to brainstorm
narrow mason
No
restive ether
[[julesstfu]]
tepid olive
@restive ether, Couldn't find anything matching that search query!
faint mango
tweaks are 95% reason people jailbreak and use them
and jailbreaks are 100% the reason you can use tweaks at all
narrow mason
[[cameren]]
tepid olive
@narrow mason, Couldn't find anything matching that search query!
narrow mason
Hes dead
tepid olive
BigBoss - Page 1/1
restive ether
wtf
narrow mason
[[BruhKeys]]
tepid olive
Tr1Fecta Repo - Page 1/2
gaunt mesa
shut the fuck up
narrow mason
restive ether
narrow mason
Bruhkeys more like suck my entire cock and swallow
narrow mason
Wtf
half walrus
@faint mango there's enough tolerable reasons for jailbreaks to remain closed source, and if you want to take up a fight, start with tweaks first
we'll get to jailbreaks
twilit jungle
narrow mason
twilit jungle
And even then you need to change lot of the developers mindsets on how to use OSS
half walrus
tweaks being closed source is a much larger issue as it stands
faint mango
<@!318876472024498178> there's enough tolerable reasons for jailbreaks to remain...
what are those reasons may i ask?
half walrus
malware
gaunt mesa
@half walrus even if tweaks are open source they are still running on a closed source insecure by design platform
narrow mason
And even then you need to change lot of the developers mindsets on how to use OS...
At this point, too much to even really bother
restive ether
<@!318876472024498178> there's enough tolerable reasons for jailbreaks to remain...
if the two majors weren’t so intent on pissing each other off or probably stealing each other’s code base that might be less of an issue
twilit jungle
narrow mason
Its the sad truth but most are not gonna change
half walrus
u0 code was found in the wild being used for iOS malware
faint mango
uhh
half walrus
@faint mango
faint mango
and?
narrow mason
lol
restive ether
u0 code in itself be like
faint mango
somehow that justifies only a few people having it?
narrow mason
No it was having panic attacks wtf are you doing to your phone @vivid dew
half walrus
just
restive ether
narrow mason
faint mango
you could apply this to any open source software. anyone could take any project and make a fake page advertising an "enhanced version", i wonder why we don't hear about that often 🤔
restive ether
[[cumsync]]
tepid olive
1Conan - Page 1/1
half walrus
consider listening to the person who's been pushing your argument since august of 2019 and understand that taking issue with closed source packages is a far better place to start
:p
pearl sail
Jailbreaks be like Internet Browsers
narrow mason
:p
gaunt mesa
consider listening to the person who's been pushing your argument since august o...
u also have to consider the money
faint mango
alright then
narrow mason
Wtf are they watching my favorite
half walrus
u also have to consider the money
made 20k selling an open source tweak
faint mango
the problem is that getting jbs to be oss is far easier than getting tweaks to be oss
restive ether
arguably saurik’s fault
half walrus
that argument has been completely invalidated
gaunt mesa
why do we blame everything on saurik
restive ether
for ever making a storefront in the first place
gaunt mesa
that doesn't solve anything
restive ether
someone would’ve done it at some point though
gaunt mesa
that just pawns off the blame
pearl sail
arguably saurik’s fault
Fuck that 40 year old slob
twilit jungle
the problem is that getting jbs to be oss is far easier than getting tweaks to b...
Debateable... getting CS to do anything is harder
gaunt mesa
narrow mason
t you know how many there are
gaunt mesa
WTF
faint mango
oh and also can anyone remind me why cydia substrate is not oss?
restive ether
because saurik isn’t an open source advocate of his own work
gaunt mesa
no
narrow mason
L
gaunt mesa
there was something specific iirc
narrow mason
👨
twilit jungle
Saurik does open source stuff
narrow mason
gaunt mesa
i mean substrate is licensed under SaurikIT
twilit jungle
just not that
faint mango
He does ur mom
gaunt mesa
narrow mason
Creating a system image
half walrus
Saurik does open source stuff <:bruh_l:699366483763134494>
saurik is as big on open source as pwn20wned
narrow mason
Hmm
narrow mason
how big is da boot driv
faint mango
"because i feel the world is not entitled to open source"
gaunt mesa
but all his dart shit is open source
faint mango
narrow mason
Really
half walrus
but all his dart shit is open source
ah forgot we were on r/dart discord
narrow mason
Like used?
restive ether
lmao
faint mango
"because i feel the world is not entitled to open source"
i'm like what does that even mean
restive ether
cydia is a pretty bad open source example
gaunt mesa
ah forgot we were on r/dart discord
ok u made ur point
faint mango
cydia is a pretty bad open source example
isn't cydia basically a frontend
narrow mason
Bro if ur setup so jank show the desktop
faint mango
aren't all package managers a frontend for apt
narrow mason
Mass1ves is shit
pearl sail
cydia is a pretty bad open source example
Kronos saw it and said fuck that shit I am never touching it again lmao
narrow mason
He has his whole desktop full and folders to store icons when the desktop gets full so he can do it again
gaunt mesa
i hate windows
faint mango
and i wonder if anyone would use the iphone terminal as a daily driver to install tweaks and shit
just using pure apt and dpkg
restive ether
cameron
gaunt mesa
i haven't figured out how to make my minecraft server a service and access the console
pearl sail
Sad that Windows has become the most trusted OS in the world
narrow mason
I love windows i love windows i love windows i love
restive ether
he do be using aptitude
narrow mason
Ok?
restive ether
yes
restive ether
who
faint mango
diff?
narrow mason
30mb screenshot mfers got
restive ether
narrow mason
Wtf the dog is high
gaunt mesa
high
restive ether
he’s mexican of course he’s high
faint mango
lele
twilit jungle
Please mail that dog to [redacted]
narrow mason
Longhair Chihuahuas are so cute man
gaunt mesa
[redacted] industries
restive ether
and dicks