#development | r/Jailbreak | Page 339

primal perch Jan 3, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Or libhooker whatever

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 5:29 AM

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troll

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Coretrust bypasses are stupid!!

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 5:38 AM

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i agree

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 5:40 AM

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widepeepoHappy3

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 5:44 AM

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is there a framework kinda thing for me to make a custom CC module?

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is there an open source example?

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wait what is CCSupport

primal perch Jan 3, 2021, 5:48 AM

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balls

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 5:49 AM

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@grave sparrow so basically I shouldn't use CCSupport?

primal perch Jan 3, 2021, 5:49 AM

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nah i would

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its way easier

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and stable

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 5:50 AM

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oh aight

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bruj momento

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i will, king

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thank you

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👑 for you

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BigCock

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hype

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I actually love you

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🚫 hetero

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:03 AM

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iocock

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NSCock

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CFCock

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:03 AM

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Does it make sense that a tweak targetting an AppStore app process can't read at /var/mobile/Documents/SomeFolder but unc0ver and checkra1n can? different sandbox patches?

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:03 AM

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UICock

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fat'

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:04 AM

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So Odyssey is trash

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Yes

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I just confirmed with isReadableFileAtPath

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:05 AM

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LOModule.h

#import <ControlCenterUIKit/CCUIToggleModule.h>

@interface LOModule : CCUIToggleModule
- (UIImage *)iconGlyph;
@property (nonatomic, assign, getter=isSelected) BOOL selected;
@end

Pls

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:05 AM

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But on Odyssey it can't read that path

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:05 AM

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lol

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so odyssey is bad

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:06 AM

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Yeah

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:06 AM

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which path are u trying to read

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:06 AM

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Also why change the path of tweak injection?

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:06 AM

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I prefer the Iliad peepoZoop

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:06 AM

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versed nymph Also why change the path of tweak injection?

cuz coolstar hates established things

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so they want to be different in every little petty ass fucking thing

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Or

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Because /Library/MobileSubstrate is a stupid fucking location for dynamic libraries

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Yeah, for backward compatibility he should've left it like that

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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It is left like that and is backwards compatible

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Are you high?

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Well he symlinked everything

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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yes

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Yeah thats called compatibility

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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I think its compatible still

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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You acting like a whole fucking fool

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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glacial matrix LOModule.h ```objc #import <ControlCenterUIKit/CCUIToggleModule.h> @interface L...

how much does

(nonatomic, assign, getter=isSelected)

matter?

I never put it in my @propertys when interfacing some existing class

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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u don't have to put any of those

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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does it do anything

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:08 AM

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also that getter name is default anyways

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wait no

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:09 AM

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Assign vs strong makes a difference

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:09 AM

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its

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selected

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:09 AM

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selected

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setSelected

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noob

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:09 AM

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glacial matrix Assign vs strong makes a difference

but when I'm interfacing shit?

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:09 AM

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if u don't specify the default is strong

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:09 AM

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wicked summit `setSelected`

setSelected: pepSip

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:09 AM

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i think

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:09 AM

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glacial matrix `setSelected:` <:pepSip:639507969423179810>

angri

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:10 AM

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weak

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yeah

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:10 AM

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LMAO im fucking WEAKKKKK

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like my properties

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:10 AM

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if ur doing a bool

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:10 AM

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jajaja!

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:10 AM

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u could just do

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@property BOOL selected;

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:10 AM

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@synthesize

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:10 AM

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no

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works for me on theos

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glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:11 AM

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Assign is the default

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:11 AM

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that's the compiler

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i don't think assign is the default either

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cuz i do

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:11 AM

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@"anyone use extra semi-colons ever for fun?";;;

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:11 AM

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@property UIView *potatoView;

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and this works fine

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:11 AM

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no

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:11 AM

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It’s easier to default to assign for primitive types as well as objects than change the default per type

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:11 AM

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they're empty lines

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gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:12 AM

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ive never used nonatomic or assign/strong in the past 4 months now

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:12 AM

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wicked summit they're empty lines

Not even

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:12 AM

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yes even

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ignored by compiler

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:12 AM

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They’re considered empty statements

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Not the same

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:12 AM

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Doesnt @synthesize generate a getter/setter?

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:12 AM

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glacial matrix Not the same

the same when I compile, right?

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;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:13 AM

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wicked summit the same when I compile, right?

Yes, but if you have an error after that train of ; the source line isn’t modified

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:13 AM

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wicked summit ```objc ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;...

put this in every file

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:13 AM

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anyone know how to extract the checkra1n ramdisk

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:13 AM

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instead of having blank lines

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:13 AM

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Good god people, read the documentation

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:13 AM

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just fill them with semicolons

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:13 AM

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define documentation

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:13 AM

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i read documentation after i encounter errors /s

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:14 AM

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You don’t even need to synthesize since 2016 at least

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:14 AM

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//:

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it's a face

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and compilable

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:14 AM

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glacial matrix You don’t even need to synthesize since 2016 at least

2015

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"read the documentation people"

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/s im kidding plese don't hurt me

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:14 AM

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at least

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:14 AM

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!e

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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how

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at least means at the least

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oh wait

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my brain is broken

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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can we get an objc and swift bot here?

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@restive ether

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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hello

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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@restive ether

can we get an objc and swift bot here?

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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Hi

versed nymph Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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armv7 bot please

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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you’re asking the wrong person

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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who is the right one

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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Sometimes

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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ask the jewish guy

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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what is this prime simpage

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"your a python god"

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:15 AM

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who is the jewish guy

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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Just ask the damn question

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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aaron

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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and I am python god

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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the <@&558709886397972481>

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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<@&558709886397972481>

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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@shut stag

can we get an objc and swift bot here?

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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No

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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what is the point of said bot anyways

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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#CamerenForOwner

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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restive ether what is the point of said bot anyways

to harass shit devs

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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gaunt mesa #CamerenForOwner

i’d happily pass even if that was a thing

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:16 AM

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Depending on what you’re doing, you don’t even need to do either

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:17 AM

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oh then it would be harassing you guys all day

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:17 AM

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uhh

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:17 AM

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ha gotcha

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bitchass

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:17 AM

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okay buddy

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:17 AM

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https://open.spotify.com/track/4ePP9So5xRzspjLFVVbj90?si=empXq1zLTPqzM8Ql_llTBQ

Spotify

Two Princes

Spin Doctors · Song · 1991

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:17 AM

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fuck the UDID for being a piece of shit

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:17 AM

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with calls the __enter__ method when entering and the __exit__ method when exiting the with block

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:18 AM

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Which usually means close() at exit

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:18 AM

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smart people python.

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:18 AM

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glacial matrix Which usually means close() at exit

for _io.TextIOWrapper, yes

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:18 AM

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i'm over here in my corner only doing machine learning from school

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:19 AM

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gaunt mesa #CamerenForOwner

#CameronForOwner

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:19 AM

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no

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:19 AM

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@grave sparrow If you’re reading a file’s contents, pathlib.Path(“file”).read_text() gives you the contents

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:19 AM

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gaunt mesa no

fuck you

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:19 AM

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pathlib

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🤮

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jk jk

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but kinda 🤮

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:20 AM

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tepid olive #CameronForOwner

stop leaving and coming back it makes me need to do work

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:20 AM

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I don’t think there’s ever a “best way”

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:20 AM

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I wouldn't say it's most pythonic

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:20 AM

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restive ether stop leaving and coming back it makes me need to do work

why do you have to do work?

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:20 AM

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It’s a nice addition in 3.7

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:20 AM

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oh

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:20 AM

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because then i have to be nice

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and press edit roles

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smh

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:20 AM

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cause dev role KEKW

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iPhone:~ mobile% sudo cat /dev/md0
cat: /dev/md0: Resource busy

literal hell

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:20 AM

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why do people still use python 2

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:21 AM

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They are?

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I’m doing 3.7+

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:21 AM

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gaunt mesa why do people still use python 2

cause pongo scripts dont work with python 3.9 woeis

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:21 AM

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okay but use python 3.8

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why 2.7

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:21 AM

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cant

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:21 AM

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i don't understand

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:21 AM

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distro doesnt allow multiple python installs

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:21 AM

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Use pyenv

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:21 AM

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L

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^^

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:22 AM

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and i dont want to compile python3.8

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:22 AM

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personally i use conda

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but that's cuz it has the windows GUI for installing keras and shit

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:22 AM

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anyone know how to cat a busy fs

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:22 AM

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I’m not doing any ML but I need 2.7, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:23 AM

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exec("text=__import__(\"pathlib\").Path(\"file\").read_text();");

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this is the most pythonic way

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 6:23 AM

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@half walrus 🤔 https://twitter.com/zacbowden/status/1345514848193556481

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:23 AM

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Until we can get rid of the py2 codebases

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:23 AM

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glacial matrix I’m not doing any ML but I need 2.7, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8

yeah i need 3.6 and 3.8 cuz keras only works on 3.6 half the time

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:23 AM

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wicked summit ```python exec("text=__import__(\"pathlib\").Path(\"file\").read_text();"); ```

Replace \” for '

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:24 AM

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no

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I hate single quotes

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:24 AM

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gaunt mesa yeah i need 3.6 and 3.8 cuz keras only works on 3.6 half the time

Yikes

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:24 AM

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L

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i hate keras

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but its easy

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and its what school is doing so i gotta do it

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:24 AM

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I despise single-quote pythoners

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:24 AM

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wicked summit I hate single quotes

Do you know what “black” is?

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:24 AM

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wtf is wrong with u

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double quotes people suck

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:24 AM

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glacial matrix Do you know what “black” is?

what

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:25 AM

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gaunt mesa double quotes people suck

leave

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:25 AM

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Search pypi black

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:25 AM

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the only time u use double quotes is in conversation or if the lang forces u

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:25 AM

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PEP8 wants to have a word with you

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:25 AM

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tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:25 AM

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dont run sudo umount -f /dev/md0

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:25 AM

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ok

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:26 AM

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do it again

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:26 AM

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But_why.gif

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 6:26 AM

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wicked summit ```python exec("text=__import__(\"pathlib\").Path(\"file\").read_text();"); ```

how’d you find my bash scripts

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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fruhh

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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replace exec( with python -c “

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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@restive ether im gonna stop leaving and rejoin to save you same time 😗

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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thank you fake cam

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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fake cam

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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real Cam

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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cameron is fake

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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i used a 300 character one line 3 lambda method to test if a device was on the network

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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glacial matrix PEP8 wants to have a word with you

no way PEP8 says to use single quotes

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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cameren is real

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:27 AM

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i’m not

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 6:28 AM

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Pep8 saw that line of code and cried

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:28 AM

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i’m just a figment of your imagination

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:28 AM

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pep8 momeny

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:28 AM

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I wish i was a figment

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not of any imagination though

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just a figment

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:28 AM

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half walrus replace exec( with python -c “

subsb=($(python3 -c "print('${project_dirs}' if ('${project_dirs}'.count('.')<2) else '${project_names}')"))

this literally your code lmao

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:28 AM

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wicked summit no way PEP8 says to use single quotes

Use " as default, ' when it can be replaced for " and not change the meaning

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:28 AM

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or better yet, a pigment, maybe a meat crayon

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:29 AM

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the real question

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:29 AM

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glacial matrix Use " as default, ' when it can be replaced for \" and not change the meaning

disgusting

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:29 AM

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why waste more effort pressing the shfit key

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shift key

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just to use double quotes

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:29 AM

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imagine not having double quotes bound to your space bar

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:29 AM

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wicked summit disgusting

I see now that discord ate my \

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:30 AM

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\"

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:30 AM

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_ _

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:30 AM

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Use " as default, ' when it can be replaced for \" and not change the meaning

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:30 AM

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wtf space bar?

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weirdo

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:30 AM

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not actually

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why can I delete anyone's messages here

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:30 AM

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So you can do '"' instead of "\""

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:31 AM

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I would literally do

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"\""

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:32 AM

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stop

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:32 AM

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Yeah, well, using isort, autoflake and black makes it so there’s less fights about style

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:32 AM

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not to be racist

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but fuck black

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:32 AM

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So you focus on the logic

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:32 AM

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the reason I don't like single quotes is twofold

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they look dumb

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 6:33 AM

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wicked summit ```sh subsb=($(python3 -c "print('${project_dirs}' if ('${project_dirs}'.count('...

nah that’s tame

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:33 AM

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If you don’t want to use it, that’s fine. You do you

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 6:33 AM

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that’s one of the worse ones but

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:33 AM

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single quotes denote characters in other languages

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 6:33 AM

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that line was easier to write than writing it in bash

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:34 AM

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single quotes > double quotes

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:34 AM

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that's all lines

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:34 AM

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end of discussion

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:34 AM

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gaunt mesa single quotes > double quotes

leave

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:34 AM

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u leave

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:34 AM

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no

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 6:34 AM

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require a long ass if-else and some wacky string crap to get it to parse strings properly

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:34 AM

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No quotes > any quotes

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 6:34 AM

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bash string handling is, barely existent

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Just use string module

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string.punctuation[1] to be more specific

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:36 AM

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true

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:37 AM

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Then build an assignment expression that you then eval to get strings without using quotes

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Not 2 because goto:fail

flat cedar Jan 3, 2021, 6:38 AM

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what channel is it

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ohh

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:38 AM

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Might also depend on how complex is the condition and the function

primal perch Jan 3, 2021, 6:41 AM

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frcoal

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:41 AM

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nfr

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:41 AM

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If it were more lines of code instead of a function call, it might be different to do code in the branch or not

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:41 AM

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im so tired i should probably sleep but i have to stay up to write shitcode

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:41 AM

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Again, no “best way”

primal perch Jan 3, 2021, 6:41 AM

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id rather exit if a certain condition isnt met than indent further in an if

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:41 AM

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3:41 beaches

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:41 AM

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i would never exit

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i would only check if the condition is satisfied

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not if it fails

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unless its something stupid like iokit

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:42 AM

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gaunt mesa i would never exit

Just while (1); ?

gaunt mesa Jan 3, 2021, 6:42 AM

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uhh

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lol

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:43 AM

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I mostly do early exit on errors

primal perch Jan 3, 2021, 6:43 AM

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thanks samsung memory easy 14% memory OC

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:43 AM

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@glacial matrix

exec("print(%s\\%s%s)" % tuple(__import__("string").punctuation[1] for _ in range(3)))

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:43 AM

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There’s 4 quotes, but I can’t think of how not to

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:43 AM

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idk if it's possible

glacial matrix Jan 3, 2021, 6:44 AM

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Maybe via ordinal to string calls and concatenations

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:49 AM

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@glacial matrix do you know Hello World in python?

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print("".join(map(chr, map(int, ["᠑᠐᠔", "᠑᠐᠑", "᠑᠐᠘", "᠑᠐᠘", "᠑᠑᠑", "᠓᠒", "᠑᠑᠙", "᠑᠑᠑", "᠑᠑᠔", "᠑᠐᠘", "᠑᠐᠐"]))))

tropic wasp Jan 3, 2021, 6:52 AM

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How to obfuscator my theos tool and tweak? I just try llvm but version 4.0 not work on new mac os

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:54 AM

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def H():
  def e():
    def l():
      def l():
        def o():
          n = o.__qualname__
          s = n.split(".")
          return "".join(_ for _ in s if "<" not in _)
        return o()
      return l()
    return l()
  return e()

def W():
  def o():
    def r():
      def l():
        def d():
          n = d.__qualname__
          s = n.split(".")
          return "".join(_ for _ in s if "<" not in _)
        return d()
      return l()
    return r()
  return o()

print(H(), W())

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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@restive ether give advanced dev

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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null does that btw

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and uh

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you know

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...

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you kinda uhhh

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yeah

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did that thing

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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KEKW

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truetrue

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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loss

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:55 AM

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wait, what did i do?

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:56 AM

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i am that

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same

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unironically tho

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:56 AM

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you’re an insane pissweeb

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:56 AM

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@tepid olive bro idek how you have regular dev

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:56 AM

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tepid olive <@456226577798135808> bro idek how you have regular dev

neither do I

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:56 AM

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he made that one tweak

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the notch one

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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KEKW

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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and that was good enough

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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ah i see

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forgot about that

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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even though it barely worked

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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how do I get verified role

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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restive ether even though it barely worked

rightfully so

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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I am verified Female Expert

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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be important

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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✅

tall storm Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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u get good

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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ok

tall storm Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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then u get verified

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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done

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I am important

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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you’re the least important one here

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troll

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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i literally took that tweak down from bigboss

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troll

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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@restive ether verify or ban

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:57 AM

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oh did you

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lmao

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:58 AM

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im so important even @tepid olive loves me

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/repo yulky

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:58 AM

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Repo Info

Name

YulkyTulky

Description

YulkyTulky's Tweak Repository

Packages

13

Sections

3

Native Depiction Support

false

URL

https://yulkytulky.com

More Info

View on Parcility

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cam take his dev away

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the tweak is gone

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its still on my repo

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:58 AM

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tweak to make me stfu

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[[pissweeb]]

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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@restive ether, Couldn't find anything matching that search query!

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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plz

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where is it

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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[[stfu]]

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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STFUChrome

Kill the incessant Chrome update popups

Author

joedj

Version

1.0-3

Repo

joedj's beta repo

Bundle ID

net.joedj.stfuchrome

More Info

View on Parcility

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more importantly, how does @restive ether have dev role?

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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my name is in a depiction

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that’s the only reason

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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@vivid dew, Couldn't find anything matching that search query!

tall storm Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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prob gave it to themselves

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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truetrue

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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i didn’t actually

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a pedophile did

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....

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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does @restive ether program

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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i do

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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tweaks

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 6:59 AM

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i’m an advanced java dev

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i do java assembly

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 7:00 AM

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assemble this

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public static void main java fucking sucks

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 7:00 AM

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pissweeb java

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please stop stealing pwn’s tactic of copy paste

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 7:01 AM

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📎 demotivator.png

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bro

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 7:01 AM

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it’s not healthy

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 7:01 AM

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Java is so bad

restive ether Jan 3, 2021, 7:01 AM

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public static void main kms

wicked summit Jan 3, 2021, 7:01 AM

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class H{public static void main(String[]a){System.out.print("Hello, World!");}}

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 7:02 AM

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wicked summit ```java class H{public static void main(String[]a){System.out.print("Hello, Worl...

this man listening to My Name Is by Eminem

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true

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@grave sparrow Warning Sign makes me

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peepoCry

primal perch Jan 3, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Female ExpertToday at 12:01 AM
class H{public static void main(String[]a){System.out.print("Hello, World!");}}
Coldplay Captain IncorporatedToday at 12:02 AM
whatever
HaydenToday at 12:02 AM
this man listening to My Name Is by Eminem
Coldplay Captain IncorporatedToday at 12:02 AM
i have The Scientist
HaydenToday at 12:02 AM
true
Coldplay Captain IncorporatedToday at 12:02 AM
nobody said it was easy
HaydenToday at 12:03 AM
@Coldplay Captain Incorporated Warning Sign makes me
peepoCry
Coldplay Captain IncorporatedToday at 12:03 AM
fr

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half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 7:53 AM

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the guy i’m doing a contract for liked my IG post

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nooooot sure how i feel about that one

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 8:52 AM

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holy shit what a mood

📎 image0.jpg

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 9:08 AM

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I love the way he speaks

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there’s a sub comment of that where he uses no less than about 3 colons in one sentence

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inside a parenthetical

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wasn’t even joking

📎 image0.jpg

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I consider it art

nocturne yacht Jan 3, 2021, 9:35 AM

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True

twilit jungle Jan 3, 2021, 10:24 AM

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Thats a pretty smooth cheese grate

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:26 AM

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https://twitter.com/hakann_27/status/1345677624090255362?s=21

hakan_83 (@Hakann_27)

@_kritanta Nice how old are u kritanta

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:26 AM

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maybe a compliment? lmao

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creepy

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:26 AM

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is this a weird thing to say i seriously can’t tell

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:27 AM

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i would say its borderline

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:27 AM

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https://twitter.com/_kritanta/status/1345676688953323520?s=21 in response to this

krit (@_kritanta)

hi

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that’s not the opener i’d go with anyways but i mean

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:28 AM

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he's gotta see if its legal to give his opener

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:28 AM

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given half of the devs in the community are highschoolers i also get the sentiment of not wanting to hit on someone that ends up being 15 lol

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:29 AM

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very true lol

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so anyways

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asl

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:29 AM

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could anyone help me with dumping headers for a decrypted ipa? i decryped the ipa using bfdecrypt and tried to dump headers using class-dump-ipa and it threw an error

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:29 AM

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glhf

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:29 AM

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[-] Unzipping IPA @ decrypted-app.ipa
[+] Finished extracting.
[-] Dumping main executable: AppName
021-01-03 02:19:37.517 class-dump[10799:66912] Unknown load command: 0x00000032
2021-01-03 02:19:37.529 class-dump[10799:66912] Warning: This file does not contain any Objective-C runtime information.
[-] Dumping framework: SwiftyJSON
[-] Dumping framework: FBSDKLoginKit
[-] Dumping framework: Kingfisher
2021-01-03 02:19:37.642 class-dump[10804:66931] *** Assertion failure in -[CDObjectiveC2Processor loadIvarsAtAddress:], /Volumes/Lion/Users/nygard/Source/git/me/Tools/class-dump/Source/CDObjectiveC2Processor.m:411
2021-01-03 02:19:37.643 class-dump[10804:66931] *** Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSInternalInconsistencyException', reason: 'Invalid parameter not satisfying: [cursor offset] != 0'```

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:30 AM

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is it creepy to follow someone on twitter after they like your github repo

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:30 AM

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depends idk

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i don’t pay attention to who follows me

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:31 AM

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i know i can use flex but i really want to dive in more to fully understand the application and how its running

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:32 AM

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tbh flex is better for that than headers

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:32 AM

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yea but certain things i can't really see

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:32 AM

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you can’t run a .h file to see what code does

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:32 AM

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yea but i can understand it hopefully

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:32 AM

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i’d say IDA > lldb > flex > headers, when it comes to REing an app

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:33 AM

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//     
//     "max_age" = 99;
//     "min_age" = 18;
//     queue = purchase;
//     "queue_id" = "0bad8c7c-ddf9-47cf-9e64-3217b76d1a2f";
//     "queue_name" = Purchase;
//     "return_code" = 0;
//     "temp_id" = 1519843961;
//     ts = "2021-01-03T09:43:26.073Z";
//     type = "purchase_queue";
//     video = 0;
// }; userInfo = {
//     "is_batch" = 0;
// }}```

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see things like this

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:33 AM

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my opinion: hopper > headers > frida-trace > cycript

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 AM

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ill try ida

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 AM

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now

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 AM

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i never used it before so lets see.

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 AM

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if you dont know how to dump heeaders IDA is not going to be useful

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i'd do the headers

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:34 AM

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i know how to dump them. its just not working

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 AM

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not sure what class-dump-ipa is, but the normal class-dump shold work on decrypted bins

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 AM

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if IDA had a header-browser implementation of browsing an objc codebase

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dear god

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 AM

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ida is too slow

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 AM

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someone please make that

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 AM

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i’d buy it again

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 AM

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robust radish ida is too slow

compared to

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 AM

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literally every other disassembler

twilit jungle Jan 3, 2021, 10:35 AM

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ghostuhh

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 AM

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i usually jump to hopper

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 AM

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i can’t benchmark it against hopper because hopper crashes

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 AM

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i have a decryped ipa. i can't class-dump that right?

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i have to decompress it?

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 AM

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unzip it and class-dump the bins inside

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 AM

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just put its bin in ida and re

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:36 AM

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but when it doesn’t, IDA 7.5 on macos still runs much faster than Hopper/ghidra in my experience

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if ur using the 7.0 old ass pirated version yeah it’s slow as balls

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:37 AM

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definitely not my experience. in fact, ill use Hopper to check a bin out while IDA spends 10m loading the same bin

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i have a legit ida license

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:37 AM

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rare

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:37 AM

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through work (im a mobile sec researcher)

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

#

2021-01-03 02:37:30.197 class-dump[10879:74465] Unknown load command: 0x00000032
2021-01-03 02:37:30.208 class-dump[10879:74465] Warning: This file does not contain any Objective-C runtime information.
dopeboy@Dopeboy#1360 Payload % ```

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

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my company paid for mine

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but it’s a single member llc

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kirb

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

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they wont even sell to individuals

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

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what exactly is your goal @burnt niche

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

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they do now

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

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oh yeah with the home one, true

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

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however i went through my LLC anyways

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

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i think it sucks tho

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

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you can buy a named license as an individual now

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:38 AM

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no arm64

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 AM

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robust radish no arm64

it supports arm64 disassembly

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 AM

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i just want to explore the headers for that app. @tardy narwhal

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 AM

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did you finish your calculator

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:39 AM

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they’re beta testing a cloud decompiler as well for them

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i also have a Home license

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for some reason

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 AM

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i have a named + hexrays, need to update it though

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 AM

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haven’t tried out the decomp yet bc i lost the license key

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 AM

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yes i did. i finished it and fixed all of the bugs i had. i have been working on that all week.

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 AM

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but I think hopper is abetter value - havent had the crashes you have

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 AM

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nice. did you upload to git or anywhere

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 AM

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ida is slow even on my crazy specced hackintosh

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:40 AM

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robust radish but I think hopper is abetter value - havent had the crashes you have

my use cases for stuff usually tend to be different enough that i’m breaking normally functional programs

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:41 AM

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i haven't actually yet. i've been planning to learn how git works and the usage

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:41 AM

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and i’ve used IDA exclusively for long enough i probably don’t realise how slow it is compared to others

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:41 AM

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because i haven't ever had experience with it before

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:41 AM

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well learn version control upnext instead of messing with dumping xyz

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:41 AM

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Hopper’s decompilation is so bad, however, it’s not worth even using my license for it

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:42 AM

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at work we have a python arm64 analysis engine that outperforms ida's analysis

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:42 AM

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and push your sources to github for a sweeter resume

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:42 AM

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hopper can make some shit decompilation, agreed

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but capstone for disassebly so w/e

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:43 AM

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i think the reason i use IDA isn’t the analysis, definitely not speed, just consistency and a large toolkit with pretty good UX

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:43 AM

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hey whatever works

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 10:43 AM

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alright man, after i add a log history view to it, i will definitely add it to github

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:43 AM

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photoshop of disassemblers, even down to to the absurd pricing model lol

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 AM

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wdym, CC is just ~$60/month

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which is fairly cheap for the entire CC suite

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 AM

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ever tried cancelling a CC subscription

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:44 AM

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i put auto-crash reporting in a tweak, but I didn't anticipate how many other tweaks would show up in a callstack alongside my stuff. im getting all kinds of crashes from other ppls shitty code

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has anyone else tried crash reporting

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:45 AM

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No because my employees need it lmao, long-term it’s cheaper than buying one-time for us ig

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:45 AM

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labelling it as $60/mo isn’t correct, all of their subscriptions are actually annual

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if you attempt to cancel it before the year you agreed to in the fine print it’ll cost you more than keeping the subscription for the rest of the year

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was the situation i was in when I needed it for a month back in HS

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i pay bc i like owning my software legit, but can’t blame anyone for not doing so

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at least IDA is up front about ripping you off

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:47 AM

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Well it’s billed monthly which makes it a monthly subscription unless you go for the non-annual contract which is roughly ~$90/month

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the 1-year subscription variants costs ~$50/month

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:48 AM

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tardy narwhal Well it’s billed monthly which makes it a _monthly_ subscription unless you go f...

yeah still, “billed monthly (annual)” with no mention of cancellation fees except in fine print feels kinda wrong

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:49 AM

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That’s why they make you read the TOS before confirming usually, anyone not reading and blindly clicking ok on that “i have read” -checkbox is at fault

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like yeah I get you reading five billion pages isn’t fun but why agree to something you wouldn’t know the details of

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:50 AM

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https://darkpatterns.org/

Dark Patterns

Dark Patterns are tricks used in websites and apps that make you buy or sign up for things that you didn't mean to. The purpose of this site is to spread awareness and to shame companies that use them.

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legally adobe is perfectly in the clear

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doesn’t make it right

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:52 AM

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This is the one thing I love about Germans, they’re so savvy about their privacy most read the TOS beforehand lmao

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:52 AM

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that’s a weird national identity

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 10:53 AM

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robust radish at work we have a _python_ arm64 analysis engine that outperforms ida's analysis

hahah. that's amazing

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:53 AM

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but over here in the US i mean

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:53 AM

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just my perception of them from being here 20 years

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:53 AM

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NSA has all of our info already lol

#

least adobe isn’t gonna kick in my door

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:54 AM

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@lime pivot phillip made it and its bad ass. will be open sourced soon

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:54 AM

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and i typically assume websites aren’t extorting me in their TOS/PP anyways

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 10:55 AM

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hope you didn't notice the part of the chariz tos where it says you surrender ownership of your firstborn child

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:55 AM

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usually have a lot better things to do than read a 90 page depressing document detailing who they’re selling data to

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:55 AM

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@lime pivot we're also hiring, if you decide you wanna join another company sometime 👀

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 10:55 AM

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I did just quit my current job 👀

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but I think I need a year to work out where tf I am in life + finish uni

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

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🎉 🎉 🎉

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

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yeah for sure, enjoy the time off!

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

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might take you up on the offer one day

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

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wait, how old are you kirb

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

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but keep it in mind 😉 the team is basically uro, phil, and myself

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

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22

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

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love 2021 so far

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

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ah, also made in ‘98?

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:57 AM

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it’s like new years resolutions but people are actually doing em

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:57 AM

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i was made in 98

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 10:57 AM

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made in china actually

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(designed in australia)

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 10:57 AM

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goddamnit😂

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:57 AM

#

lime pivot made in china actually

kirb exposed

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 10:57 AM

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nsfw

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:57 AM

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mfg. by slave labour

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floshed

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 AM

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god dammit

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I mean

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weighing down your mom for 9 months could be a form of slave labour

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wow that can really be misinterpreted

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 AM

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i was gonna say mfg by child slave labour but i feel like that could be taken very wrongly

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 10:58 AM

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😬

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 10:59 AM

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thanks tim apple

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 10:59 AM

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fortunately the factory workers were grown adults at the time

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at the time
implying they can suddenly become children in future

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I can confirm Benjamin Button is not my parent

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:00 AM

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i have met many adults who definitely qualify as children

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:00 AM

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kirb ahead of the curve again implying age is relative

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we’re all actually children™️

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:00 AM

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tardy narwhal kirb ahead of the curve again implying age is relative

i dont like where this is going

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:00 AM

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age is actually -webkit-sticky

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age is just an unsigned int

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:01 AM

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i wish it would be an unsigned char so we can just overflow back to zero quicker

#

feel young again

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:01 AM

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reincarnation moment

#

man people need to slow down with all the genders though

#

what happens if we hit intmax

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the old system was hard coded for 32 bit processors, it’ll roll over

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and then we won’t have any genders at all

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sadcowboy

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:02 AM

#

I like to believe, as average life expectancy has been steadily increasing over the past 1000 years, we'll eventually hit an overflow in the universe where someone decided a short was enough

#

📎 unknown.png

#

just need a few thousand more years to test that theory

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:03 AM

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this is my kind of existential crisis

#

i wonder if we’ll ever see age reversal in our lifetime

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:04 AM

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well technically you grow up learning just to work to later retire doing things you like preferably, which in itself is a kind of age reversal

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:05 AM

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@lime pivot what projects are you working on post-job

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:05 AM

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man you’ve got me in the mood for exurb1a now

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:05 AM

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chariz!!

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:05 AM

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i love when algorithms work

📎 image0.png

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:06 AM

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interesting stuff ahem eta #son

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:06 AM

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does chariz delvier tweak analytics to devs

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:06 AM

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idk how they would aside from download rate

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:06 AM

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I spent about 4 straight months working on a project for work that sorta broke me, so just working on it again in the past 2 weeks has felt really rewarding

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:07 AM

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kind of up to devs to do that and that’d require your own analytics server which is far more work than analytics on 500-20000 users is worth to most people

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:07 AM

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4 months of grind is not good for your mental health for the love of all that is good if someone tells you to do impossible amounts of work in a short timeframe just quit

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:07 AM

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stuff apple appstore does - download rate with device/os breakdown, crashes

#

analytics is always useful no matter userbase

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:08 AM

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i don’t think repos can access info that specific (or store it probably without modifying privacy policy)

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:08 AM

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yeah you can learn a lot just by download stats, but never really explored analytics beyond that

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:08 AM

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OS version and udid i think

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and that’s not a useful statistic really

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:09 AM

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i would exclude udid to avoid having to tweak privacy policy - not included in crash reports anyways

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:09 AM

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given tweaks are typically rereleased as a separate project with iOS updates

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:09 AM

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I half think "analytics == bad" is dumb and half think it's fully warranted for how intrusive the big and co are across a scary number of apps

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:09 AM

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crash reports would require a proprietary chariz daemon on your device

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:09 AM

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or just grabbing crash reports from the file system every once in a while

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:09 AM

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analytics are great, providing useful ones to jailbreak devs is the challenge

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:10 AM

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think I mentioned an idea I had to you a few weeks back @robust radish

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:10 AM

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btw do i know you by any other names @robust radish

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:10 AM

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im ethan arbuckle - @steel depot on slack

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er, @ ethan

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:10 AM

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it's not automated but crashreporter had a pretty much unknown and unused feature (like all great things in this community) where crashes could be uploaded to an http form

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which could then be used a lot like the usual crash reporting solutions where they aggregate similar stack traces and tell you how many users had that crash, etc

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:11 AM

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it depends on users going and invoking it though, and users are flakey

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:12 AM

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that in itself is a very powerful thing, just feeling like you have oversight over when your code goes oopsie

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:12 AM

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the crash reports i receive from users are just straight up useless when i do get them via email from whatever is sending that

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:12 AM

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any aversions to scraping reports from the fs?

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:12 AM

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“analytics” for me is checking my twitter feed

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:12 AM

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it's also why I know Apple's crash reporting may as well not exist, the number I see in Xcode Organiser is about 1/50th of the crashes we have on Crashlytics

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I reckon that could be totally fine if it's only crashes where installed chariz packages are a suspect

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:13 AM

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ive had a "Scraping" solution live for about 24h, and ive recieevd ~45 very useful crash reports (all for other tweaks though)

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:13 AM

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yeah that’s another thing lol

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:13 AM

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but some sort of community-wide crash report aggregator would be very interesting indeed

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:13 AM

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how do you determine culprit

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usually isn’t correct on my stuff

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:14 AM

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Cr4shed and CrashReporter do a good job, but its hard to determine when the crashlog is unsymbolicated

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example: https://ghostbin.co/paste/hz98f

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:14 AM

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honestly never is correct except when it's an objc/swift/c++ exception directly caused by my code lmao

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:14 AM

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theres 3 tweaks in the crashed thread callstack

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:14 AM

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HomePlus crashes that happen on the initial warmup of the icon model will always report as a snowboard crash

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:14 AM

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yeah snowboard is one of the tweaks in stack

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but the latest tweak is usually the culprint

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that is, the topmost frame

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:15 AM

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Could be helpful just to send it to all devs

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:15 AM

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heh, a few times I've very carefully architected code because I expected lots of false-positive crash report emails for other people's bugs

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:15 AM

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(the example is one of the auto-reported crash logs I got)

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:16 AM

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lime pivot heh, a few times I've very carefully architected code because I expected lots of...

i always carefully plan for everything except the actual issues that come up

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:16 AM

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if you're auto ingesting the false positives isnt a big deal - can be cleaned up with a script later

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:16 AM

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I get enough of those under Cephei where we just say "we'll look into it" and I promptly trash the email

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less of those lately, I think cr4shed doesn't list any except the primary culprit (closer to the top of the stack?)

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:16 AM

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yeah cr4shed does a good job

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

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a tweak analytics aggregator sounds like a very interesting project though

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

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very interesting

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and would lead to improved tweaks

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

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wonder if it could be done in an open-source way

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

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I have a feeling users would trust it with Chariz's name on it

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

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everything should be open source

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

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the question is how to do it very anonymously, and yes, should be open source

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

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something depersonalised to the point of the analytics platform being completely open to everyone

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

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can likely feed crashes into self-hosted Sentry in fact

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

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if you only collect crash logs, device model, and OS version - it is anon

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:18 AM

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I wonder if it'll understand pre-symbolicated crash reports

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:18 AM

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sentry probably collects more info

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symbolicate them on device with my technique https://github.com/EthanArbuckle/carplay-cast/blob/master/src/crash_reporting/reporting.mm#L136

GitHub

EthanArbuckle/carplay-cast

iOS tweak that allows any app to be used with CarPlay - EthanArbuckle/carplay-cast

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:18 AM

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oh I just mean feeding into Sentry as backend, not using their iOS SDK

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:18 AM

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ah

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anyways, i think the tweak analytics would be really neat

grim sparrow Jan 3, 2021, 11:20 AM

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:20 AM

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a

grim sparrow Jan 3, 2021, 11:21 AM

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📎 image0.jpg

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I’m still queue place 848

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What the fuck has happened

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:21 AM

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best case, you end up with two computer go brrr cards?!

grim sparrow Jan 3, 2021, 11:21 AM

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lol

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Something has fucked up somewhere on their system and I’m not sure where

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:23 AM

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I have a thought of how crash reporting can be done "securely", if I get the dev to opt into crashes that appear to be related to their packages

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but thinking of the privacy policy/tos I'd need for that ugh

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:24 AM

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why would you need anything if no user or device specific data is collected? address in a callstack dont qualify

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:24 AM

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probably could bastardise a git server for devices submitting analytics

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:24 AM

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if GDPR/CCPA aren't too harsh I can just explain it in a few sentences, worst case, discard reports coming from EU/California IPs?! lmao that sounds terrible

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oh I'm just being worried that it "maybe" could leak something specific

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:25 AM

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^

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:25 AM

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like it is still coming from your phone in the end, so I have a rough location, through subpoenas that could become a list of a few potential people in a specific area

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…of course I would be discarding IPs, not even logging in standard server logs

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:26 AM

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its good to be caution but as long as you dont go anything liike collection udid or associating the logs with a user account, its good

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:27 AM

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I can of course also do the differential privacy thing and at random send only some or no crash reports

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oh yeah I have zero reason to collect IP or udid for legitimate reasons (aggregating crashes), maybe at worst use a hash of a few things including a client-generated uuid that rolls over every 12 hrs just so the same crash coming in multiple times from one person is ignored, or something like that

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:28 AM

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important to consider the irrelevance of most of the people who’re actually concerned about the non-issue of anonymity there

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:28 AM

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you could offload yourself of the data collection responsibilies by allowing repo maitainers to specify an endpoint in which Chariz will send crash reports, if devs choose to

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and you store nothing

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:29 AM

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just make it opt-in and call it a day

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:29 AM

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opt-in should be fine actually

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:29 AM

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bc the only time i ever enable crash reporting is when it’s off by default

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:29 AM

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I'm thinking too much of it being opt-out because I'm an evil megacorp I guess

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:30 AM

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as in “this company clearly respects user privacy enough to not even send anonymous crash data without consent, i trust them”

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:30 AM

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true

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:30 AM

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how dare you make the user decide whether they want to be tracked! they should have to be aware that tracking is a thing, that they can opt-out of it, and they should have to follow all our specific instructions to enable the opt-out cookie and pray it always works!

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:31 AM

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not gonna read their cookie cutter 90 page privacy policy, means literally nothing

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they don’t even hold up in court

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:31 AM

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libsymbolicate produces a better result over ios' coresymbolication, its just kind of heavy

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and slow

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:31 AM

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alternatively

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offer a standalone library+daemon that does nothing by default

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:32 AM

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sounds more intrusive, and would likely conflict with crashreporters

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:32 AM

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allow developers to utilise it alongside your crash reporting server

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that’re on the chariz platform

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:33 AM

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robust radish you could offload yourself of the data collection responsibilies by allowing rep...

that’s an interesting idea

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:33 AM

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why have a daemon for something that can be done in an arbitrary process after-the-crash?

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:33 AM

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that wasn’t the point of that statement

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i’m not familiar with the best architecture for crash reporting

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just as an idea

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which i think actually just parroted what you said earlier that i missed

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:35 AM

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CharizKit.framework ✨

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:35 AM

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tardy narwhal that’s an interesting idea

devs may not want to implement it though. It'd be easy to provide a google cloud function template for storing logs in a google storage bucket

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:35 AM

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all cool ideas that we’ll probably never get around to doing sadcowboy

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i lost my sad cat emoji i’m stuck with a cowboy now

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:35 AM

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Flushed_Cat

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:36 AM

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lime pivot <:Flushed_Cat:790532377499402260>

i’m uncomfortable

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:36 AM

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half walrus all cool ideas that we’ll probably never get around to doing <:sadcowboy:5710788...

i did all of this this week - chariz should copy/paste

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:36 AM

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ah neat

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:36 AM

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half walrus all cool ideas that we’ll probably never get around to doing <:sadcowboy:5710788...

well I did make the conscious decision to work for myself this year

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:36 AM

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that is excellent

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:36 AM

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so it's in the realm of possibilities

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:36 AM

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you shouold make a patreon

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:36 AM

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@ me when u do i’ll go sub

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:36 AM

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my patreon is chariz seller fees 🥵

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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same

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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robust radish devs may not want to implement it though. It'd be easy to provide a google cloud...

yeah but it would be fairly simple whipping up a template server for devs to just run as endpoint to collect crashlogs securely

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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tardy narwhal yeah but it would be fairly simple whipping up a template server for devs to jus...

https://github.com/EthanArbuckle/carplay-cast/blob/master/crash_reporting_cloud_function/main.py

GitHub

EthanArbuckle/carplay-cast

iOS tweak that allows any app to be used with CarPlay - EthanArbuckle/carplay-cast

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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lord it’s 5:30 AM

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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https://patreon.com/hbang I think it's still up lmao

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nope it's gone

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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hosting that wouldn’t even be 5/month

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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its free under 2 million requests a month

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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do i sleep

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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not that I'm aware of

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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oh damn that’s actually cool

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:37 AM

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i don’t wanna waste a whole saturday sleeping during daylight hours

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:38 AM

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lime pivot nope it's gone

I left it up for like 2 years and watched people very slowly figure out it was dead and cancel

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:38 AM

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but is it worth it if i’m missing an entire night of sleep + some change

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:38 AM

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i tried to donate to you a long time ago and eveyrthing 404'd @lime pivot

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i think i found some paypal though

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:38 AM

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hah really

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:38 AM

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you’re a python wizard like uro I see, my code will get roasted once I publish oh lord

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:38 AM

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https://hbang.ws/donate I forgot this still works

PayPal.Me

Pay Chariz using PayPal.Me

Go to paypal.me/HashbangProductions and type in the amount. Since it’s PayPal, it's easy and secure. Don’t have a PayPal account? No worries.

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:39 AM

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tardy narwhal you’re a python wizard like uro I see, my code will get roasted once I publish o...

every time you write bad code just leave a comment with a link to my github

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:39 AM

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in Modern Times it goes to paypal.me, in The Bad Old Days it was that shitty html form with a public key field they made you do

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:39 AM

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my username alone will provide the contrast needed to make your code look good by comparison

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:40 AM

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half walrus every time you write bad code just leave a comment with a link to my github

Lmao I fear that I’m not using best/ good practices most of the time because I follow DRY a bit too hard to make code shorter

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but so far writing a repository in python has been nothing short of a blast

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:40 AM

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same but

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as long as you combine that with good use of classes

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:40 AM

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having worked in a fairly big codebase for the past 2.5 years I think I got a good knack for good MVC code

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:40 AM

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lime pivot https://hbang.ws/donate I forgot this still works

this is what i sent it to i think

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:40 AM

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like

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DragonGen was unreadable after the rewrite that was extremely DRY

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:41 AM

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especially maneuvering between all the old objc code that very much failed to understand MVC or delegates or the responder chain

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:41 AM

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but i moved it to classes and a few separate files and it’s very very easy to work on now

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that’s a lie

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it’s easier

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:42 AM

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some smartass decided the UITabBarController delegate should be the currently selected tab view controller

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finally got to get rid of that terrible code

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love to see it

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I did not ask for this

📎 unknown.png

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:43 AM

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lol still can’t understand how old h+ layout code was so

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:43 AM

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why are PayPal a bad company

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:43 AM

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firefox

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I see hayden has been converting people

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:44 AM

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https://github.com/KritantaDev/HomePlusPro/blob/master/Hooks/ios13/MainLayout.xm#L120 deadass

GitHub

KritantaDev/HomePlusPro

HomePlus Professional Version. . Contribute to KritantaDev/HomePlusPro development by creating an account on GitHub.

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:44 AM

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the only time in my life I wasn't using firefox was in the Bad Old Days of IE6 and the Also Bad Old Days when mozilla forgot their browser exists for like 4-5 years

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:44 AM

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this is the only line required in this ~400 line file of hooks

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:45 AM

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I had a friend who bought a Firefox Phone like not even a month before they announced the project was discontinued

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that was great

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:45 AM

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the rest of the logic can be recreated with a 10 line function in a .m Manager class

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and doing that solved like 90% of my bugs

tardy narwhal Jan 3, 2021, 11:45 AM

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lime pivot I had a friend who bought a Firefox Phone like not even a month before they anno...

ouch

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:45 AM

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lol

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:45 AM

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half walrus this is the only line required in this ~400 line file of hooks

damn

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sounds a lot like the code in my job's codebase…

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:46 AM

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have to do some weird shit with appLibrary though in terms of iOS 14 stuff

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so the file will grow once again

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:46 AM

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didn't have time to fully rewrite a creaky old view controller, but I did remove like 90% of the lines in it

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:46 AM

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fbsapplicationlibrary?

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:46 AM

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this is

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an sbfolder

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that contains an abu on list

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SBICONLIST

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:47 AM

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split up into a few separate files pls 💚

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:47 AM

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that contains SBFolders

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that contain more SBIconLists

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:47 AM

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I hate files over ~350 lines

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:47 AM

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i like 1 file per hooked process

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:47 AM

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(he says, working on a chariz file of 514 lines)

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:47 AM

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lime pivot split up into a few separate files pls 💚

i’ve started putting each class i hook in a separate file

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:47 AM

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but only call %orig once!

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:47 AM

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a la how interfaces work

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:48 AM

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lime pivot (he says, working on a chariz file of 514 lines)

@gaunt mesa you're gonna love refactoring my shitty code from 2016-2018 😁

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:48 AM

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just SBIconListView.xm kinda thing

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inspired by velox

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which was a one file tweak :)

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with no indents :))

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:48 AM

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hahah

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ok not so hahah

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oh no

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nononon

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:49 AM

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was that phillips version or a different one?

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:49 AM

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it was at a point where

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:49 AM

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apparently Daniel had zero to do with Velox 2

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:49 AM

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you have to respect the person for managing to get that far on something when you see their code

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:50 AM

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he's not sure how he even got authorisation to use the name 😬

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:50 AM

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i ditched logos just to make working on the project possible

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:50 AM

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haaah really

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:50 AM

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bc the .xm was one file but everything else was just a huge mess

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:51 AM

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.xmi sorta helps but I really really despise it

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:51 AM

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300+ compile jobs according to ninja on a clean build

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:51 AM

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and if I had a chance to break features I hate maintaining I would gladly break that

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:51 AM

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probably the project you can thank for me continuing to work on dragon

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as build time with theos was upwards of 3 minutes

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:52 AM

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was that startup time (my fault) or is make just plain and simple dog shit?

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think we talked about it a long time ago

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:52 AM

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it was with make 4 so

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:52 AM

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i spent an hour this week trying to get theos to let me put the control file in a subdirectory without luck. makefile syntax is annoying

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:52 AM

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I mean make is dog shit but was that the perf problem

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:53 AM

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i think theos just isn’t designed to scale to such a massive, poorly designed project

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:53 AM

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ugh, I haven't touched packaging stuff in years I think

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I don't like it at all

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:53 AM

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it takes dragon 7 seconds to clean build

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which on the machine that benched that time is a long time compared to any other tweak dylib

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legitimately longest build time, H+ has 142 jobs on a clean build and the main dylib never takes more than 5s

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:54 AM

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at one point I wanted to use dpkg's super cool control parser with ${SUBSTITUTIONS}, never finished that

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it's probably like 20 commits down in my git stash from 3 computers ago

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:55 AM

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that packaging code was very frustrating to mess with

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:55 AM

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realised that control files are yaml

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 11:55 AM

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i am about to ask a really stupid question rn so be prepared

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:55 AM

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immediately abstracted them out

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:55 AM

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how… how tf did you get a 3 min build down to 7 secs

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man

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:55 AM

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yaml-ish - i dont think they can have indents

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:56 AM

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ninja

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not having to deal with all of the scripting crap in his makefile

burnt niche Jan 3, 2021, 11:56 AM

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so there is a method called -(void)queueReceived:(id)arg1 and i nslogged it NSLogify queue recieved called NSConcreteNotification 0x281081980 {name = QueueReceivedOverSocket; object = { queue = random; "queue_id" = "737ee8b3-0ef5-43af-933a-b605ec9c046b"; "queue_name" = ""; tags = ( "" ); "temp_id" = "<null>"; ts = "2021-01-03T11:49:49.930Z"; type = queue; }; userInfo = { "is_batch" = 0; }} is there anyway i can use change the information inside this when its called?

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:56 AM

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velox was an extreme and i’ve never seen theos choke on a project like that before

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so he probably either found an edge case or did something very bad in the makefile

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:57 AM

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all I know is nowadays having more free time, there's a ton of candidates for components to rewrite in a native language (which one? who knows!) or more likely python

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:57 AM

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hasnt uro been doing that for a while

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in python

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:57 AM

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python/bash should be the only considerations imo

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:58 AM

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which is also a good reason to start an ~~OnlyCode~~ GitHub Sponsors

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:58 AM

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no other interpretered languages have the same level of adoption

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:58 AM

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python theos + native logos ?

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probably c

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:58 AM

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no

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a project that does nothing but parse strings, in C

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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native logos would be badass but, I always think of super cool ideas and then reconsider that dumb line-by-line regex parsing perl logos has been fine with no major complaints

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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reuse llvm's parser/tokenizer

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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fork llvm

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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just an occasional "I wish it did this" that can be worked around

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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i’ve been saying this for ages lol

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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not literaly string parsing, thats not how you parse code

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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https://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Clang-logos

Clang-logos

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eswick went there 😛

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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hahaha

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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yep, it’s in my forks

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outdated though, but good for reference

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that’s exactly how it should be done

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official fork of apple’s llvm project

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add support for logos directives

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:00 PM

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his opinion was that it works but it's a pain in the ass and didn't seem worth the trouble of digging through an ever-changing clang codebase for

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:00 PM

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shoutout eswick

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:00 PM

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add support to clangd

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:00 PM

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clangd support would be extremely cool

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loll good times

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:01 PM

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an official fork of the apple toolchain also solves the new ABI issue 😛

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:01 PM

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truuueeeee

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maybe it's time to just do it

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:02 PM

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if theos uses a custom built in toolchain it’s automatically no longer an issue

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:02 PM

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toolchain maintainership has changed hands so many times it's amazing

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:02 PM

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it’s been something i’ve been working on for dragon and why i looked at that beefy VM in the first place

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:02 PM

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who else besides dustin uro and you?

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:02 PM

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should just bring it into the theos org as A Thing it does as a duty of keeping the whole show running

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nah dustin never did I don't think

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:03 PM

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ah

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last I talked to dustin he also threatened to sue me

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:03 PM

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could delegate it to procursus

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:03 PM

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lmao

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:04 PM

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whoever did the toolchain in the super early days --> saurik --> ininjas --> coolstar --> kabir (hosted by karen for some reason) --> bingner

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:04 PM

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as procursus (currently) is an actively maintained org with the selling point of keeping things up to date

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:04 PM

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robust radish last I talked to dustin he also threatened to sue me

I'm not aware of how this one happened lmao

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:05 PM

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he doesnt like the ghostbin situation

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his angle was the logos but theyre not actually trademarked so

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:05 PM

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doesn't like you running an instance his project on the same domain with one less letter?

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:05 PM

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he gives everyone who emails him about pastes my personal email address 🙄

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:06 PM

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I mean seems a little unnecessary to threaten legal action over an open source project you were just too busy to run

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…

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that does sound like a thing he would do

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:06 PM

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gh never sued me for krithub backboardd

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a formidable competitor till i lost the VPS and all code hosted on it on accident

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rip Obamium the tweak

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:07 PM

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you wouldnt believe the traffic a paste site gets

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:07 PM

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lime pivot whoever did the toolchain in the super early days --> saurik --> ininjas --> coo...

I don’t think karen hosted my toolchain but that could be me getting confused

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:07 PM

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half walrus gh never sued me for krithub <:backboardd:710246325723201586>

did this happen to be that leaked GitHub source

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:07 PM

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lime pivot did this happen to be that leaked GitHub source

no it was a gitea instance

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i just memed with the site name

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it was right there how could i not

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:08 PM

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nimble parcel I don’t _think_ karen hosted my toolchain but that could be me getting confused

may have actually been coolstar's toolchain, round 2

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:08 PM

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also the swift toolchain angle’s a fun story in itself too

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:08 PM

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robust radish you wouldnt believe the traffic a paste site gets

📎 Screen_Shot_2021-01-03_at_04.07.35.png

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:08 PM

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jesus

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:08 PM

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lime pivot may have actually been coolstar's toolchain, round 2

yeah that’s possibly it

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:08 PM

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monetise that

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those numbers are insane

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:08 PM

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consolidating swift in with The Official Theos-Blessed Toolchain® would also be extremely useful

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:09 PM

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how does pastebin’s website still look like garbage

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if they’re getting that much traffic

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and running ads

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:09 PM

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lime pivot consolidating swift in with The Official Theos-Blessed Toolchain® would also be ...

can’t imagine getting sam to agree to that lmao

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:09 PM

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because the like 6 ads per page bring in enough money to not give two fucks about the site or what happens on it

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well… if anyone wants to inhibit progress for silly reasons they can be left behind is all I can say

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:11 PM

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i mean the toolchain even currently that theos promotes shouldn’t be maintained by a single person

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in this community of all places

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:11 PM

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also I’ve been meaning to check out procursus’ swift toolchain at some point to officially sanction it for use with theos

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:12 PM

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sanction sounds so much more interesting than it should be lol

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:12 PM

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even ch1 has a massive decentralised team and still gets slowed down by silliness

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:12 PM

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might need to collude with procursus to create a toolchain trade deal idk

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:12 PM

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grabs popcorn

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:12 PM

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i’d like to decentralise dragon a bit more but at the same time

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:12 PM

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half walrus monetise that

i dont like ads but i'd probably sell it if someone offered

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:12 PM

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if i’m the only person with any influence i can ensure that no drama gets involved

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

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I'd worry about it turning to shit instantly if sold

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

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which is a paradoxical situation

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

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oh its horrible now

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

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you just know all they care about is making back their sale price 1000000x by slapping 6 ads on the page

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

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oh about ads, I was talking about content. but true

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

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half walrus i mean the toolchain even currently that theos promotes shouldn’t be maintained ...

this is the reason I want to make Orion a Theos thing instead of a personal thing; I don’t think one person should have the burden of maintaining all of that

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

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and then never caring about abuse or performance issues

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yeah, I totally agree it should fall into some "community" umbrella like Theos

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:14 PM

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nimble parcel this is the reason I want to make Orion a Theos thing instead of a personal thin...

at the end of the day most projects of that calibur only have one real maintainer anyways

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excluding theos itself

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:14 PM

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^ very true

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:15 PM

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half walrus at the end of the day most projects of that calibur only have one real maintaine...

this makes me think of how apt and dpkg are basically exclusively maintained by 1 guy each

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:15 PM

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half walrus at the end of the day most projects of that calibur only have one real maintaine...

Yeah I’m slightly concerned that’ll end up happening but I hope others want to help

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:15 PM

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and curl

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:15 PM

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and has been for the past 10+ years

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:15 PM

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everyone has the project they care about significantly more than anyone else

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i have 5mil additions to dragon

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:15 PM

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mike ash literally owns the objc runtime

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:15 PM

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next highest is 50

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not million or thousand, just 50 chars lol

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:15 PM

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one day one of these 1-guy teams is gonna lose their only guy and the world will just be lost on what to do next

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:16 PM

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my time’s kinda been split between Orion and Supercharge lately

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:16 PM

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robust radish mike ash literally owns the objc runtime

of all people I'd want it to be him lmao

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:16 PM

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nimble parcel my time’s kinda been split between Orion and Supercharge lately

what about

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:16 PM

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lime pivot one day one of these 1-guy teams is gonna lose their only guy and the world will...

yeah bus factor :/

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:16 PM

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apple is big on DRI, and he is "objc DRI"

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:16 PM

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i feel like

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there are a lot of times where a single person being the “owner” of the project provide massive benefits over decentralised ownership

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:17 PM

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also I just finished the getting started tutorial for Orion imma tag it so that gh builds the docs and I’ll share a link here if anyone wants to see

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:17 PM

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and the only time it becomes an issue is when that person no longer cares about the project

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at which point, in open source, decentralisation happens naturally

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:18 PM

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I really wanna properly read through these docs cause they sound great already

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maybe if I just copy and paste dragon over Theos, I won't need to get to that documentation I never did thonkfall

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:19 PM

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you could setup a github sponsorship on the theos org

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:19 PM

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dragon documentation is lacking as hell

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:19 PM

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half walrus at which point, in open source, decentralisation happens naturally

unfortunately that sort of decentralisation also often comes with fragmentation (eg saurik stuff)

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:19 PM

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half walrus dragon documentation is lacking as hell

still better than theos but

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:19 PM

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one day I'll just do it and tell dustin he doesn't have a say if he hasn't touched the project in 8 years

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:20 PM

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the nature of dragon requires you to know what you’re doing already, by itself it’s incredibly simplistic and limited by your knowledge of building stuff

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:20 PM

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my only concern is he gets offended because I'm making a profit on what used to be his work

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or his baby rather

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:20 PM

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register a non profit

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specifically for theos

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:21 PM

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he does get offended easily

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:21 PM

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I really wanna work on the Theos for the App Store stuff someday

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:21 PM

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select a group of trusted maintainers with equal ownership of the company

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offer him a position on that board

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:21 PM

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nimble parcel I really wanna work on the Theos for the App Store stuff someday

integrated with supersign that could be really promising

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:21 PM

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he’ll decline, but he’ll have his chance

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:21 PM

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I floated an idea of a like Jailbreak Holdings Ltd a while back

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Luca was interested in it for checkrain

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:22 PM

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Theos is such a recognisable name at this point i’d just roll with that

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only issue i can think of is

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who’s actually in charge of theos

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:22 PM

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never really got anywhere because everyone winced at the idea of adding that kind of overhead

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:22 PM

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i dont see why it should be a non profit

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:22 PM

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so dustin can’t complain about it

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as he’s the copyright holder

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:23 PM

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~~so that we can launder money with tax deductions~~

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:23 PM

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and implying profits are going to be made is very problematic

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:23 PM

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it would probably be me as "lead developer" if you had to pick someone, just by being the one who took over the project

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:23 PM

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perhaps he'd be cool as long as you discussed it with him first. no one likes surprises like that, but it'd be unreasonable for him to say no

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:23 PM

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yeah

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:23 PM

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i really can’t imagine he’d be ok with it without it being very clear it’s a not-for-profit

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i wouldn’t want any of my projects having that done either regardless of whether i still work on em

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:24 PM

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I mean, if I outline what the importance of funding further development of theos is I think he would consider it

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:24 PM

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lime pivot it would probably be me as "lead developer" if you had to pick someone, just by ...

I’d second that if uro was okay with it — assuming we had to have a hierarchy with one person at the helm

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:24 PM

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you could argue that his contributions are smaller than the cumulative work of everyone over the last 8y

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:24 PM

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worth noting as well

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we’re discussing

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$10, $20 a month

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lol

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nobody donates to FOSS

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:25 PM

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nah more than that

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:25 PM

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devs are broke or high schoolers so i

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really can’t see it

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:25 PM

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such as: Orion because yes Swift has been ABI stable for 2 years and we never really got a proper hooking framework for it

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Theos for the App Store™

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:25 PM

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ask any of the regulars in this channel whether they’ve paid for any commercial tools they use lol

lime pivot Jan 3, 2021, 12:26 PM

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having Theos not just the thing people use for jailbreak stuff when it was designed to build on anything for anything

nimble parcel Jan 3, 2021, 12:26 PM

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half walrus devs are broke or high schoolers so i

or large corps if we make Theos for the App Store a thing

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:26 PM

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i might be able to get my company to sponsor

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:26 PM

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I’d donate to a theos patreon in an instant

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 12:26 PM

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true

robust radish Jan 3, 2021, 12:26 PM

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and i'd of course sub

half walrus Jan 3, 2021, 12:26 PM

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however

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this is a discussion between people who understand how build systems work

tepid olive Jan 3, 2021, 12:26 PM

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