development

[restive ether]

tihmstar man...

his code hurts my eyes

[surreal mountain]

tihmstar

lol

[half walrus]

(and they should be extremely cheap to mfg., there's not much on the pcb

[restive ether]

great dev but man

[lime pivot]

I was very interested in someone good at electronics (so not me) making replica ibus though

[half walrus]

lol tihmstar

[lime pivot]

it's just a shame one dude figured it out and is keeping it all to himself

[half walrus]

i run out of things to respect him for

awful code, immature behavior

[restive ether]

it works™️

[half walrus]

faked being trans to get a womens' scholarship

which

[tepid olive]

wahts watchos 7 CFVER?

[lime pivot]

probably making bank on people who think this magic adapter will let them restore their watch and fix all their problems

[half walrus]

is hella fucked up

[lime pivot]

watch ipsws haven't leaked in years afaik

[restive ether]

FR is pretty cool man,

that’s all i got though

[surreal mountain]

usbmuxd2

wireless sync and stuff

[lime pivot]

only reason we got the last set of ipsws is because of that one awesome time when Apple accidentally enabled directory listings on the CDN and people had a field day uncovering cool shit

[half walrus]

lol

[restive ether]

usbmuxd2 needs some work

[half walrus]

wondered how that happened

[restive ether]

from what i’ve heard

[surreal mountain]

doesnt work with checkra1n

[tepid olive]

checkra1n is weird with usbmuxd2

[half walrus]

but they're still, afaik, signed

so

[tepid olive]

doesnt upload bootstrap

[restive ether]

the tihmstar code is fighting you

[lime pivot]

yeahhhhh…

[tepid olive]

binpack

[half walrus]

if you have an ibus, bricks are no longer permanent

[surreal mountain]

everything else works because libusb is used for that

[tepid olive]

tf

[half walrus]

lol you probably remember me dancing around the subject when you mentioned that a while back

[lime pivot]

the inaccessibility of ibus doesn't help the watch jb scene sadly

[half walrus]

where

[tepid olive]

i cant build ncurses

[surreal mountain]

i had a discussion with sig and them earlier today

[lime pivot]

at least with tvOS you know the 4th gen has the USB port

[half walrus]

it makes it a bit more difficult for me to actually come out as that

[surreal mountain]

about how all of that works

[half walrus]

bc people like him deliberately abused it for personal gain

[lime pivot]

4K is a gamble just like the watch is, but it's also more like ah well if it does brick

[tepid olive]

MEMO_TARGET=watchos-arm64 TARGET_SYSROOT=/home/cameron/Documents/SDK/WatchOS7.2.sdk make rebuild-ncurses doesnt work

[restive ether]

i hate the prospect of even iPhones diving into this space

[surreal mountain]

believe c1's implementation of libusb is what is broken

[half walrus]

tbf

[tepid olive]

checking for aarch64-apple-darwin-gnatgcc... aarch64-apple-darwin-clang
checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
make[1]: *** [ncurses.mk:20: ncurses] Error 77
make: *** [Makefile:579: rebuild-ncurses] Error 2

[half walrus]

despite my twitter bio

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

they need some wireless communication method

[half walrus]

i have never bricked an apple watch

[restive ether]

for restoring

[lime pivot]

and hacking in stevie's DFU mod isn't as scary as hard modding your wrist mounted computer

[half walrus]

like

[surreal mountain]

but i dont have concrete evidence to back that up

[lime pivot]

try convincing users it's safe is the thing

[half walrus]

the thing with watchos, you can't exactly ssh into it (without knowing Exactly What You're Doing™️)

its nuts

so

[restive ether]

“here’s why adding this breakout cable is easy and safe”

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

package installs would have to be done via an app/daemon communicating between the two

[lime pivot]

people still get so scared jb will ruin their life to the point that they post questions both before and after jbing wondering how they can undo it

despite "how do I undo jb" being so easy to google

[half walrus]

and that ability to keep the user from fucking shit up leaves responsibility on the devs

[restive ether]

i’m still worried cephei will bootloop me

[half walrus]

and lets be real

i'm the only person who's gonna write watchos tweaks

[tepid olive]

i just want pro on a watch

but ncurses wont build

[lime pivot]

totally get the concern of wanting cool shit but not being able to afford replacing the phone if you fuck it up of course

[lime pivot]

[half walrus]

so if I can ensure that none of my packages somehow permabrick a watch (harder to do in a tweak), it's gonna be by design "safer"

[restive ether]

ticking time bomb....figured

[gaunt mesa]

damn bro

linux VM doesn't support unity

[half walrus]

reality is you shouldnt jb a watch w/o an ibus and blobs saved

[lime pivot]

man I wanted to jb my series 1 after I upgraded but the fucking thing's battery died on me

[half walrus]

(i'm probably the only person on earth, tbh, that has watchos blobs lol)

[restive ether]

people shouldn’t jailbreak their phones if they don’t have access to a computer and they still do it so good luck with that lol

[half walrus]

exactly why i still wanna put it out

[lime pivot]

it's worse on the watch since you can't do the old iPod trick where you plug in a 2A brick and it just runs itself from mains

[half walrus]

jb is about allowing you to take those risks with your device

and it's on you when you don't account for that and act responsibly

[surreal mountain]

used to use icuid signing service at school for unc0ver 4.3.1

couldnt be assed to checkra1n

[half walrus]

i dont bitch at torvalds when i brick my 4th arch linux install

[restive ether]

loss

[half walrus]

i bitch at myself bc i did something stupid

[lime pivot]

nito would rage at you for wasting your time with the app-based jb when checkrain is superior

[restive ether]

i don’t think this community works like that

and it should

[half walrus]

it does in reality

[tepid olive]

ld: unknown/unsupported architecture name for: -arch arm64_32

[half walrus]

people can complain but devs aren't responsible at the end of the day

especially on free products like jailbreaks

[restive ether]

i mean they might be depending on what happened lol

[tepid olive]

just release a paid jailbreak

[restive ether]

if it’s egregiously bad and they didn’t warn you at all then ya know maybe you got a case there

[half walrus]

oh some r/jb cunt might get pissy bc something with 3 popups warning about instability did an instable thing

a la rootlessjb fun, the unreliable exploit saga, etc

but the devs rightly so don't give a shit, they ignored blatant warnings

[restive ether]

i’d agree, i certainly wouldn’t wanna make the jailbreak experience worse than it already is these days

[lime pivot]

heh releasing a paid jb is like when people are trained "a legitimate email will always address you by name not just 'valued customer' or some shit" and then you get legitimate emails addressed as "dear valued customer"

[half walrus]

i wanna put one out lol

not to even get money

just to see what happens

[lime pivot]

this is a real email from the real cloudflare

[gaunt mesa]

lol

social experiment

[restive ether]

you’d get a lot of crying

[half walrus]

yeah

[lime pivot]

should change my legal name to Valued Customer

[restive ether]

jelbrek shoud be fre

[half walrus]

it just like all the arguments against it people have are kinda nonsense

[restive ether]

i mean i don’t fucking care if you wanna charge for it

but the work should be entirely original

[lime pivot]

honestly tho jbs make bank on donations

[half walrus]

if you want a better, stable, drama free jailbreak experience, why not pay a buck for it

[restive ether]

don’t make money off other people’s work

that’s not epic

[tepid olive]

drama free jailbreak?

good luck

[restive ether]

i remember peak u0 days

[half walrus]

jbs already do this

[restive ether]

i saw some of pwn’s numbers

[half walrus]

ignoring the anomaly that is ch1

[restive ether]

that kid is doing a lot better than i will

[lime pivot]

I've had a donate link on almost everything I've ever made in the past 8 years and gotten approximately 5 donations worth a total of maybe $300

but a jb? wew boy

[half walrus]

they already make bank off of that, why not offer a premium option for a buck

i'd buy a premuim jb

[restive ether]

what do you get for the dollar lol

[tepid olive]

riley testut also gets tons of money on his patreon

[half walrus]

stable drama free jb

[restive ether]

riley makes so much money, and his licenses are shit and broken

[half walrus]

proc + selectable package manager + etc

[gaunt mesa]

this community doesn't have drama free

lol

[lime pivot]

it's a problem that people can be motivated purely by money and not just doing a valuable service to a small community with a worthwhile cause

like I'm happy he found a way to monetise his work

[restive ether]

i just don’t think he deserves the money or credit he gets for it

[lime pivot]

but also it seems like feeling on top of the world intrudes on his attitude

[restive ether]

he’s really just kinda putting pieces together

[tepid olive]

did the u0 cases ever come out?

[half walrus]

probably conceited of me to think, but i like to believe i'm one of the few people on almost everyone's good side when it comes to prominent figures

[gaunt mesa]

lol

[lime pivot]

https://repo.chariz.com/package/ws.hbang.newterm2/tweet.png

legendary tweet

[gaunt mesa]

lol

[weary nacelle]

you mean the rebel cases?

[tepid olive]

[gaunt mesa]

why did he say that btw

[half walrus]

ignore a certain r/jb mod bc that's literally the only person i have any beef with lol

[restive ether]

i mean

newterm is fine

it just

[lime pivot]

there's like zero reason to be that aggressive

[tepid olive]

unless you get more than 2 lines

[restive ether]

has issues

yeah he sounds legit mad

[gaunt mesa]

PJ

[restive ether]

like it killed his dog

[half walrus]

im guessing he got pissed with something caused by limitations of the current design

cant copy/paste into newterm

[restive ether]

even if that’s a case

there are alts

[lime pivot]

and it's only one of many instances of the same aggression against people legitimately doing their best for the community at no cost

[restive ether]

literally mterm is on his bootstrap

he can fix that instead lol

[gaunt mesa]

mterm

[restive ether]

or beg sam to do it

mterm is alright

[half walrus]

see idk why anyone cares about his opinion on newterm or why anyone should

[lime pivot]

that only manifested in like iOS 13.3

[restive ether]

it’s fine if you just need a term

bro

[half walrus]

like i don't know why the fuck hopper responded to my tweet and talked with me in dms

[restive ether]

did that copy paste shit come out in 13.3

bexuase

[lime pivot]

which fucking sucks because the other flaw everyone cites for NewTerm Bad is that the performance is poor

[restive ether]

i found out about that a couple months ago

and like

[tepid olive]

#genius-bar message

[lime pivot]

perf is poor because I ran a poll and everyone said having copy and paste > performance

[restive ether]

i thought i’ve been missing out on it for years

[half walrus]

bc i was pissed about anti-reversing drm being dumb with my paid copy when i was trying to patch a bug

[gaunt mesa]

it just seems that everyone wants to shit on hashbang, cephei, newterm etc

[half walrus]

god bless the hopper author for talking with me about it but also like

[lime pivot]

13.0

[restive ether]

i feel less dumb now

thank you

[tepid olive]

cephei killed my dog

[restive ether]

it’s been bothering me for so long

[half walrus]

ignore people clearly angry bitching about a program lol

[lime pivot]

sorry no refunds

[gaunt mesa]

cephei ate my children

[restive ether]

someone showed me that and i thought it was the coolest thing ever

[half walrus]

just angry and venting their frustrations to (nobody bc nobody cares)

[tepid olive]

I got angry earlier and started venting under a checkra1n tweet

[lime pivot]

the awkward dumb 3 finger long press is at least a significant improvement

[tepid olive]

deleted those pretty fast

[gaunt mesa]

OMG

containerized JVM

why

[restive ether]

as long as you aren’t going into landscape or printing a million lines newterm ain’t too bad

[half walrus]

lol i do this so much on my twitter in general

i'll tweet 3 complaints out

[lime pivot]

virtual machine
in a container

[restive ether]

i still use termius though because it has swipe actions

which are cool

[gaunt mesa]

yeah

that's really what hurts

[half walrus]

10 minutes later "why would anybody care about this" and delete

[lime pivot]

NewTerm 3 eta #son

I want it to totally fucking kick ass

[gaunt mesa]

with [redacted] feature

[lime pivot]

and be free

[half walrus]

how's the backend coming?

[restive ether]

just like type status 3?

[lime pivot]

yep!!!!

[restive ether]

hot

[lime pivot]

well I mean

[gaunt mesa]

i should actually be working on [redacted] feature for newterm 3

[tepid olive]

I just realized I was being very rude and it was coming off even worse than i wanted it to

[half walrus]

has work started on it at all

kinda wanted to look at that

[gaunt mesa]

well u see here adam learned about the power of delegating

[half walrus]

try Terminus out if you want inspiration @ kirb

[lime pivot]

I spent half of 2018 - all of 2019/2020 in a full-time job

[restive ether]

it is pretty awesome

[half walrus]

absolute pinnacle of what a terminal emulator on iOS should be

[lime pivot]

that's why NewTerm still has most of the same bugs and TypeStatus 3 still doesn't exist

[half walrus]

one of my few subscriptions and i don't even use it too often

[restive ether]

it prints my neofetch horribly though

sad

so does newterm though tbf

[lime pivot]

and Chariz doesn't have as many sellers as it could have

[half walrus]

that's a neofetch issue

[restive ether]

it’s a sizing issue more or less

[half walrus]

i'd like to read the neofetch source sometime

[gaunt mesa]

well u ahve 2021 to start fresh and make a lot of progress

[half walrus]

it takes 20 seconds to run on an 8x1.6ghz terminal

[tepid olive]

whats terminus?

[half walrus]

more complex but that's the specs it gives

[lime pivot]

yeah I tried to make neofetch not look like vomit on NewTerm but it just doesn't give a shit about terminal windows that don't fit its expected minimum width

[half walrus]

ssh app for iOS/macos/(idk windows probably who knows)

it also does SFTP/FTP

[lime pivot]

at least now it prints Terminal: NewTerm which is cute

[half walrus]

even on ios

[tepid olive]

you mean termius?

[gaunt mesa]

no

[half walrus]

is that the name

[gaunt mesa]

terminus

[half walrus]

no he's right

[tepid olive]

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/termius-ssh-client/id549039908

[gaunt mesa]

well

[half walrus]

termius

woops

[gaunt mesa]

there is a termius

and terminus

[half walrus]

that's the one i was talking about

[gaunt mesa]

but terminus isn't on ios

[tepid olive]

terminus is a font, isnt it

[restive ether]

need custom themes on da newterm

[gaunt mesa]

it is?

[half walrus]

10/10 terminal

[gaunt mesa]

i just did a quick google

and saw it

so

[lime pivot]

I really really want NewTerm to be a cool as fuck sftp file manager also

[half walrus]

see i'm ngl

[tepid olive]

i like blink https://github.com/blinksh/blink

[gaunt mesa]

replace filza

[half walrus]

newterm where it is now is ok so like

what i'm considering is

[lime pivot]

every so often I'm out and I need to grab a file off my imac so I use textastic

[restive ether]

filza is great

[lime pivot]

that UI is sooooo bad

[half walrus]

modding termius to just have an easy way to start a local session

[restive ether]

besides the uh

search

the search blows

[half walrus]

bc why rewrite everything when you can just mod what already exists

[gaunt mesa]

well i know adam actually had some cool plans for newterm

[tepid olive]

theres no need to do that, just add a profile for localhost 2222

although thats still ssh

[lime pivot]

the dude basically made it for iPad so it's terrible on iPhone, but I've used it since iOS 4.2 days on iPad and it's almost as bad there

[half walrus]

i mean yeah i'd probably use openssh to do it

how does localhost 2222 work

is that open by default

[lime pivot]

I think @half walrus is aware of one of said cool ideas

[tepid olive]

on pro it is

[restive ether]

i wonder how bad neofetch looks in newterm on anything smaller than a Xr

[tepid olive]

on bingner you gotta enable it

[gaunt mesa]

is it [redacted] or [redacted]

[restive ether]

because on the smallest size i can use it just barely fits

[half walrus]

it is copy and paste

eta 2022

[lime pivot]

basically an xpc agent "owns" the forked ttys so they don't die when the app is killed by the system or you respring

[gaunt mesa]

wtf

[half walrus]

oh yeah wondered if that was it yeah

[lime pivot]

you open NewTerm even weeks later bam all your existing terminals are still there

[gaunt mesa]

okay i thought u were talking about the other thing

[half walrus]

it'd be really nice for my current workflow

like the missing piece to it tbh

[lime pivot]

refresh my memory what the other thing is @gaunt mesa

[half walrus]

i currently use vscode remote + that mac server + reverse ssh tunnel

[restive ether]

death

sweet release

[gaunt mesa]

uh there were a few actually adam

[half walrus]

but since newterm dies on sbreload, i have to retype like 5 things in newterm each respring

[gaunt mesa]

swift term and other random things

[restive ether]

there is a swift term i wanted to try out

but it needed big sur

and it needs ios 14

so

[gaunt mesa]

no not a swift term

[half walrus]

macos default terminal unbeatable

[restive ether]

alacrity go zoom though

[half walrus]

macos terminal is great bc its just

a terminal

[restive ether]

unironic good rust usage

[gaunt mesa]

i would use macOS terminal

[half walrus]

no extra ui, nothing but a terminal window and a bar at the top of the window

[gaunt mesa]

but it screams at me everytime i do :wq

[half walrus]

perfect ux

[gaunt mesa]

so i had to switch to iterm2 just to disable notifications

[half walrus]

perfect ui

[lime pivot]

vscode remote is sex

[gaunt mesa]

god

[half walrus]

made it worth that mac server just by itself

[gaunt mesa]

vscode remote is sex but gitpod is even more sex

[half walrus]

can work on my tweaks from the arm windows laptop without a hitch now

[lime pivot]

it kinda sucks that I don't think IntelliJ has a similar feature, cause I could really do with using my beefy linux desktop but working on my macbook

for chariz dev

[gaunt mesa]

intellij does

but its some cursed asf SFTP

[lime pivot]

oh

oh never mind

[gaunt mesa]

lmao

[lime pivot]

I was about to scream with excitement

[gaunt mesa]

yeah i was trying really hard to get webstorm working

@lime pivot i actually have a solution tho

because i have a remote desktop services installation i can use remoteapp

[half walrus]

like dragon went from 1.0 to 1.3 in about a week bc vscode remote + the server made it amazingly easy to work on from wherever

[lime pivot]

that would also get me pumped to sell this laptop and buy an M1 👀

[gaunt mesa]

and webstorm on host

[half walrus]

didn't even have time to announce 1.2 cuz i think 1.3 dropped a day later

[lime pivot]

yeah see Microsoft totally kicks ass with their remote desktop shit

[gaunt mesa]

also remoteFX so hw accel

[lime pivot]

while Apple and Linux continue to sit in the corner eating glue telling everyone VNC is good enough

especially Linux

shit is so fucked on Linux

[gaunt mesa]

i wish vmware unity was possible on remote

[lime pivot]

you'll know from when I was raging at VNC not fucking working on my linux pc @gaunt mesa

[gaunt mesa]

oh yeah

that lmaooo

[half walrus]

it's already laggy

cant imagine w/ remote

[gaunt mesa]

oof

[half walrus]

although i have crap internet so

[gaunt mesa]

i have great internet

[lime pivot]

in the end I moved the pc to the other side of the room and plugged it into a monitor so I can occasionally log in so the VNC server starts

[half walrus]

lol

[lime pivot]

it needs to stay plugged in or it fucks up badly

[half walrus]

the mac server has a vnc but i will do literally anything to avoid having to use it

[lime pivot]

I get a 1920x1080 screen on VNC but gnome-shell is like fuck is this shit and tries to render everything in 0x0

[gaunt mesa]

i like VMWare and i wish it had something to counter remoteapp

so not virtualized

because RDS took like a total of 3 days for me to figure out

[half walrus]

fairly sure vmware is probably gonna stick with vms

[lime pivot]

one day I might move to ESXi so I can just give it a 1920x1080 virtualised display and be done with it

[gaunt mesa]

yah 100%

i would use EXSi

but i need a windows server host

[lime pivot]

VMware at one point was directly competing with RemoteApp

not sure if they still are

[gaunt mesa]

i could use remoteapp if i virtualized windows

[half walrus]

lol i just

[gaunt mesa]

but idk how much that'll affect my gaming

[half walrus]

buy ram and vps-es

[lime pivot]

I mean all it is is just VNC but it only captures the rect of some individual windows

[gaunt mesa]

i can't afford that

[gaunt mesa]

not really

atleast not with remoteapp

it used to be like that

[lime pivot]

you right click something and it takes a fraction of a second for the bit of the context menu outside the window to show up

[gaunt mesa]

but then TSWeb was released

[half walrus]

vmware unity relies on dwm.exe's handling of windows iirc

[gaunt mesa]

accessing remote apps in the web browser is so cool

[lime pivot]

you click away and you briefly see your wallpaper or windows behind where the context menu was

[half walrus]

how it works isn't possible on macos/linux servers

[gaunt mesa]

yeah that's how it was for me when i was on 10 pro

[lime pivot]

I'm just describing VMware Unity which is ded now

[gaunt mesa]

oh

[half walrus]

wait what is vmware unity

[gaunt mesa]

its like remoteapp

but its dead

[half walrus]

bc there's vmware fusion with a unity mode

for macos

[gaunt mesa]

unity mode is different

[lime pivot]

yeah that's that thing

[gaunt mesa]

vmware unity ran on host

basically its this:

[half walrus]

so vmware unity but the vm isn't on the same machine basically?

[lime pivot]

Unity was built for both use cases but I think they killed the use case in the consumer VMware products

[gaunt mesa]

not a VM at all

it does what RDS does

and virtualizes applications on the host

[half walrus]

so,

it's vmware fusion unity mode but instead of a VM its a server?

?

[gaunt mesa]

well it doesn't have to be a server

basically something liek this

this is a virtual application running off the host but on my mac

[lime pivot]

this is all because back like 10-20 years ago there was a fad where the tech brands convinced IT departments that instead of buying 100 good PCs, they should buy 1 really good server and 100 shitty underpowered PCs, and have everyone just connect to this 1 server

aka thin clients

[half walrus]

server refers to the machine you aren't sitting at that's doing a thing

[gaunt mesa]

yeah

[half walrus]

it's servin u shit

[gaunt mesa]

sorry then what u said is correct

[half walrus]

its a server

[gaunt mesa]

yeah spyder is actually computing on a machine that's like 20 feet away from me at my desk

remoteapp actually does it properly not shitty vnc tho

[lime pivot]

I think the tech companies saw how fucking cool networked X was on Linux and wanted in on that market

[gaunt mesa]

so taht's a virtualized application session

i can also access the app on the web browser too its very cool

[lime pivot]

I mean cool, but soooo inefficient on the wire protocol

[half walrus]

i mean if you can handle rendering on the client and computation on the server

well

[gaunt mesa]

well my use case is such a bullshit excuse

[lime pivot]

X continues to be the same inefficient protocol, it's worse that this network protocol is being used for rendering local UIs, but it still works in more places than Wayland currently

[gaunt mesa]

the only reason i have spyder on there is because i need to switch from my macbook to school laptop if my teacher asks me to share my screen

[half walrus]

that'd require digging ur fingers into the program in a way idk if is possible unless they use a unified framework

a la

apple

[gaunt mesa]

X has a few notable "gotchas"

but this is like the same as elu vs procrusus just more matured

[lime pivot]

during covid lockdown I had my iMac from the office, and my MacBook

[gaunt mesa]

one is very stable and is the known dude

and one is newer and probably better but not the rep yet

[lime pivot]

I set up my desk to look like the monitor next to the iMac is just plugged into the iMac

but it was the primary monitor of the MacBook

[gaunt mesa]

honestly it was 100% worth it to learn how windows server works

[lime pivot]

had a KVM switcher for the keyboard, and I had a mouse on the iMac and trackpad on the MacBook

loved it

[half walrus]

lol reminds me of my laptop setup

dual monitors + the laptop one

[gaunt mesa]

loll

[half walrus]

man

[gaunt mesa]

i have an HDMI switch and one monitor

also im not even gonna mention dongle hell

[lime pivot]

only brought the trackpad in the mix after I embarrassed myself taking too long to unmute myself to speak on msteams calls

because the KVM occasionally requires two clicks to switch because it's trash

[half walrus]

the funniest part was i was on catalina and the hdmi-to-usb3 adapter's drivers weren't likely ever going to be updated by the adapter company

[gaunt mesa]

i actually took the time and wasted money in a proper thunderbolt dock

[half walrus]

so i took it apart and found the chipset mfg. themself and asked and they gave me macos 10.15 drivers for it, lol

[lime pivot]

and it doesn't do the phantom device thing, so you wait like 2 secs for the system to go oh yeah I have a USB mouse/keyboard now cool

[gaunt mesa]

also mostly cuz my school laptop supports thunderbolt 3

so my thunderbolt dock works for 2 laptops

[half walrus]

didn't expect it to work but was neat

except

[lime pivot]

hahah

[gaunt mesa]

mood

[half walrus]

intel hd 630 + like 4096 vram

handling 3 1080p monitors

on a "barely-stable" hackintosh

[lime pivot]

see I tried to dig around for DriverKit drivers for my USB ethernet adapter I bought like 8 years ago and they just, don't exist

[half walrus]

graphics liked to crash

[gaunt mesa]

DriverKit is very new

[lime pivot]

which means finally it truly no longer works as of Big Sur

[gaunt mesa]

u can run deprecated kexts

[lime pivot]

idk why the kext stopped working

[half walrus]

Big F

[gaunt mesa]

u just need to go into recovery and disable a bunch of security things

which is a horrible idea

[half walrus]

don't envy people writing macos drivers

[lime pivot]

but for a loooooong time I'd always have a copy of that kext I'd install on every mac, especially my hackintosh laptops because wifi can be a cunt on those

[half walrus]

especially gpu ones

tried patching one to work with a gpu i had

[lime pivot]

and I never ever had a single problem with it

[half walrus]

fuck that

[gaunt mesa]

nvidia drivers

[half walrus]

worse than google's code

[gaunt mesa]

oh god

google

the makers of angular

[lime pivot]

only time I did have a problem I ripped open the plastic housing (later learned there were screws I missed like a dumbass) and reseated the USB 3 connector

[half walrus]

in a disassembler, anyways

google's obfuscation strategy is just adding so many layers of shit and abstraction you cry and give up

[gaunt mesa]

i hate google's LLVM clang-format style

[lime pivot]

lmao @gaunt mesa caught my manager snobbing React this week

[half walrus]

each object has like

[lime pivot]

he's a big Angular guy

[half walrus]

10 references to other objects

[gaunt mesa]

LMAOO

angular is jack shit trash

[half walrus]

and those objects have delegates and shit

[gaunt mesa]

typescript angular has too many unnecessary things

and angular.js

well

[half walrus]

idk what it is with google but they must just hand out ram for free to employees

[gaunt mesa]

[lime pivot]

we had a contractor write something in React against our wishes some time ago, and now we're bringing it in-house, him thinking well great now that's another technology nobody on the team knows

[gaunt mesa]

yikes

[lime pivot]

I didn't want to say I know react lmao

[gaunt mesa]

react native?

[half walrus]

krit.me is bad but something i know is only using 100kb eats like 2MB

[lime pivot]

nah, web

[half walrus]

thanks google

[gaunt mesa]

google doesn't do stuff properly

[half walrus]

dont open the memory graph on https://krit.me btw lol

[gaunt mesa]

cough cough GKE

[half walrus]

u dont wanna know

[gaunt mesa]

god GKE is fucking garbage

[lime pivot]

Chrome Is Bad™ and firefox panics my machine lmao

[half walrus]

that's impressive

i just use chrome

[gaunt mesa]

somehow MICROSOFT of all companies did it better than google when it comes to their cloud

[half walrus]

it Works™️

[gaunt mesa]

i use safari

and edge

cuz they are default

[half walrus]

edge is

not as bad as i was anticipating

but

it's also just a chrome reskin now

lol

[gaunt mesa]

well its much better with mem

also i like its UI better than chrome anyways

[half walrus]

which i was kinda miffed about till i figured out

[lime pivot]

and Safari is Apple's weapon against the baddies of the internet such as checks notes a stable cross-platform app ecosystem that isn't obligated to give a cut of their sales to Apple

[half walrus]

i can install chrome extensions to it

meaning i get chrome extensions on my arm laptop without needing to run chrome which is x86

[gaunt mesa]

@lime pivot AKE is so much better than GKE holy shit

azure kubernetes engine * i feel like i should specify

[lime pivot]

yeah I was gonna say I had to google that lmao

[half walrus]

hm

[gaunt mesa]

oh sorry

its AKS

[half walrus]

@lime pivot what if u just use something like krit.me for newterm 3

[gaunt mesa]

kubernetes service not engine

[restive ether]

google and mozilla do the same shit, it’s so disappointing

[lime pivot]

did you know iSH's terminal emulator is a web view @half walrus lmao

[gaunt mesa]

nah not really

mozilla had a hard 2020

[half walrus]

who needs access to their machine anyways

[gaunt mesa]

and hard 2019

[restive ether]

make cool shit, put no effort or marketing into it

and kill it

[half walrus]

honestly is there a better way to do it

[lime pivot]

tbodt literally told me while I was streaming NewTerm dev one time

[gaunt mesa]

google doesn't need to market tho

[restive ether]

they do

[gaunt mesa]

it holds a browser monopoly

[restive ether]

it’s not just chrome and firefox

[lime pivot]

originally xterm.js but switched to eterm which is a Google project

[restive ether]

it’s everything they do

[half walrus]

no offense but webview terminal emulators on iOS have a lot cleaner UX

[lime pivot]

makes sense, he's a Google employee

[gaunt mesa]

LOL

[lime pivot]

you're not wrong

[half walrus]

selecting stuff in newterm makes me cry

[restive ether]

mozilla killing firefox send made me depressed

[half walrus]

(pretending i could copy it)

[gaunt mesa]

mozilla can't really do much tho

they are suffering rn

[lime pivot]

because the clipboard popup doesn't work any more?

[gaunt mesa]

like badly

[half walrus]

yeah

[lime pivot]

or was it always bad

yeahhh that really fucked me up good

[half walrus]

any idea what's up with

[restive ether]

only thing keeping mozilla alive is google

ironic ain’t it

[half walrus]

ima run and get a coffee in a sec, might take a look at it bc it fucks with my workflow a lot

[lime pivot]

I had an idea to work around the problem while not being a total refactor of how the emulator renders to the screen

[gaunt mesa]

man adam smh i was supposed to get some work done tonight

and ive gotten 0 done so far

[half walrus]

its new years

why obligate urself to work renai lol

[lime pivot]

where I have a fake scroll view and a text view behind it, when you scroll it just adds a line at the top or bottom and removes the line at the other end

[gaunt mesa]

yeah and i had a plan to wrap up all my bullshit 2020 projects

so i can start fresh

[restive ether]

works on 13.3 at least, just using select and copy blows

[gaunt mesa]

and look into machine learning more

as u may have noticed

im using keras a lot

[half walrus]

sounds like an implementation nightmare

[lime pivot]

basically table view but for text

yeah, well, all options are bad unfortunately

[gaunt mesa]

well i finally got my dotfiles finished

but that's it

literally nothing else

[half walrus]

hate to be that guy but webview is kinda hard to beat

[lime pivot]

I've been watching SwiftTermApp repo since it started and they've kicked around a few ideas, settling on basically this same idea in the end

[half walrus]

krit.me is a bit easier to use, even, at times

[lime pivot]

yeah I mean again you're not wrong

[half walrus]

entirely worthless as well but u can type shit easily at least

[gaunt mesa]

web views are fine

but performance

[lime pivot]

consider that UITextView is still heavily built on WebKit, as much as Apple tries to claim it isn't

[gaunt mesa]

and this is why i don't use vscode anymore

[half walrus]

what's wrong with vscode

[gaunt mesa]

i couldn't deal with xterm.js in vscode

on my macbook it just sucks

like its so laggy

[half walrus]

ah

man

[gaunt mesa]

i type and it shows up 10 years later

[half walrus]

if vscode is laggy

what do you even use

[lime pivot]

for some reason the vscode terminal is fucked as of big sur, and still not fixed

[gaunt mesa]

well im starting to return to vim

[lime pivot]

seen multiple friends say the same thing

[half walrus]

yeah i was gonna say

[gaunt mesa]

yeah the issue is big sur only

[lime pivot]

it was fine before big sur

[gaunt mesa]

it was fine on cat

[half walrus]

vscode is the fastest multipurpose ide i can think of that isn't an ncurses app

[gaunt mesa]

its not a vscode issue tho

its an xterm issue

[gaunt mesa]

well i use webstorm a lot

[half walrus]

[gaunt mesa]

and ill probably be using it when i start my contract at [redacted]

[half walrus]

intellij gang

[lime pivot]

also the IntelliJ terminal is pretty bad, but at least the worst I deal with is occasionally it renders my prompt wrong and messes up character offsets with emoji/SF Symbols

[half walrus]

like a premuim vscode

[gaunt mesa]

i just happen to have github education

so i use webstorm cuz its dedi to typescript

[lime pivot]

but at least it doesn't freeze for 2 seconds every 5 seconds

[gaunt mesa]

YEAH

[half walrus]

u can use any of their ides to do that

[gaunt mesa]

EXACTLY

[half walrus]

that's the fun part

[gaunt mesa]

ik i just like webstorm

[half walrus]

i work on krit.me in both webstorm and pycharm bc it's the exact same tools

[gaunt mesa]

lol

[half walrus]

neither support text/python tags

lol

[lime pivot]

webstorm is poggers as fuck for node/typescript

legit the best

[gaunt mesa]

the only good intelliJ product that isn't a spin off of intelliJ is datagrip

man i love datagrip

[gaunt mesa]

can confirm this is the best

[half walrus]

cant even think of anything like datagrip

[lime pivot]

yeah datagrip is super cool I need to start using it

[gaunt mesa]

well there is studio 3t

but that's mongoshit

[lime pivot]

hope my student license has it

[gaunt mesa]

it does

[half walrus]

@lime pivot just apply for the foss license

[lime pivot]

studio 3t is sooooo fucking disgusting

[half walrus]

lol

[gaunt mesa]

mongo is disgusting

[lime pivot]

I use "the old" Robo 3T still

[half walrus]

i get all intellij products free because of dragonbuild

[gaunt mesa]

sorry

i meant mongo compass

but there aren't many good postgres viewers

[lime pivot]

because all I want is to see my query results visually

[gaunt mesa]

so i use datagrip for that

[lime pivot]

this reminds me

[gaunt mesa]

chariz license

[lime pivot]

I'm thinking again about doing GitHub Sponsors for Theos

my issue is morally I don't think it's right to ask for money for something that wasn't originally mine

[gaunt mesa]

is it for FOSS only or is there another free once u can apply for

[half walrus]

i mean the author isn't dead

[lime pivot]

but there is so much cool shit we could do with a bit of money as incentive

[half walrus]

can just ask for his blessing

[gaunt mesa]

i don't have to worry since im in school for the next 6-7 years but.....

[half walrus]

although like

it's not like you're accepting it for his work

you're accepting it as maintainers

[gaunt mesa]

who even made theos in the beginning

was it howett or petrich

[half walrus]

dhowwett

[gaunt mesa]

ik howett works at msft now

[half walrus]

spelt that wrong but i was close

[lime pivot]

a long time ago, he was actually unhappy about someone (may have involved me) asking for money for how2theos training classes

[gaunt mesa]

he was part of the windows terminal team

[half walrus]

yeah it was hilarious seeing him on the contributors for windows terminal

[gaunt mesa]

he made cascadia code

i love that font

[half walrus]

cant escape people from this community can ya

he

[gaunt mesa]

but jetbrains mono is epic

[half walrus]

still hasn't added the dark mode stylesheet to whichever wiki he runs

[gaunt mesa]

lol

[lime pivot]

that idea just didn't get off the ground in the end, but not because he expressed his dislike of the training thing being paid

[gaunt mesa]

oh yeah i have this somewhat working scraper for iphonedevwii

using bs4

that takes raw data and serves it on API so an actual site can be built and maybe a discord bot for support

[half walrus]

6 months

[gaunt mesa]

which feature was that

was it the fancy editor?

[lime pivot]

training for very specific things as a commercial venture just kinda sucks because you get people who want the outcome but don't want to put in the work, and you have to kindly tell them this isn't for them and give them their money back

[gaunt mesa]

i hate the wiki text editor its such a turnoff from me writing anything much

[lime pivot]

it pisses me off that it's current year and MediaWiki still uses wikitext™

[gaunt mesa]

well they have a WYSIWYG editor

but that just converts to wikitext

[half walrus]

dark mode stylesheet i put together for it

[gaunt mesa]

im pretty sure that mediawiki uses md now

[lime pivot]

yeah but meh I just don't vibe wizzy wig for content that gets compiled down to a human-readable syntax in the end

[gaunt mesa]

its just that we run a very outdated version of it

[half walrus]

when he didn't ever get around to adding the one i specifically made for him to add

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAllowUserCss

asked him to enable this

literally a toggle

[lime pivot]

only acceptable wysiwyg IMO is storyboards and Microsoft Word

[gaunt mesa]

STORYBOARDS

WTF

[lime pivot]

even then storyboards can be so frustrating

[gaunt mesa]

i hate storyboards

[half walrus]

https://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/User:Kritanta/vector.css this is how that toggle works

someday howett

[gaunt mesa]

how do i add this to my user

[half walrus]

doesn't work

he never enabled it

[gaunt mesa]

pain

[half walrus]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne?hl=en

i use this

also what i used for GH before they added dark mode

[gaunt mesa]

i cba to find the safari alternative

i just paid for dark reader

and dark reader is a must since its free on every other browser

[lime pivot]

only counting it as acceptable because it can be sooo much easier to configure autolayout visually

instead of writing 50000 lines of UI setup logic

[gaunt mesa]

i prefer programmatic UI for objc

and for swift i just use anchorage or sm

[lime pivot]

one of my coworkers also really hates it when I occasionally set up UI in code

[gaunt mesa]

https://github.com/Rightpoint/Anchorage

[lime pivot]

had to wiggle out of the last code review by saying "it's an already very complex collection view, the performance is important, no sorry we can't do storyboard/xibs here"

[gaunt mesa]

did u know that the current version of kyoto uses xib files

but then i gave up

and just went to swift for the UI

[half walrus]

ui code is one of the few fun-to-do things in code though

[gaunt mesa]

omg true

[half walrus]

and autolayout just kinda ruins the challenge

[gaunt mesa]

cuz it feels like u make the most meaningful progress

[lime pivot]

yeah I agree though in a lot of cases

[half walrus]

now its just copy paste a snippet and edit variable names

[lime pivot]

but like

[gaunt mesa]

a lot of people complain abotu autolayout

but ive barely had issues

like maybe once or twice

but that's it

[half walrus]

doesn't apply to ur job ofc

u gotta get shit done

its just one of the few things i like

[lime pivot]

download our app and just look at the number of screens you already see without even having our hardware to pair to the account

[primal perch]

[lime pivot]

then pair the hardware

[half walrus]

especially pan recognizers

😩

[gaunt mesa]

doing UI is just fun

[half walrus]

homeplus ui code was fun

[gaunt mesa]

bruh did this guy really just shoot the counter UAV

[half walrus]

it has some hotpatches i need to write out

[gaunt mesa]

omg

[lime pivot]

sometimes I'm amazed given the lack of experience my coworker seems to have with iOS UI/UX and objc/swift concepts that the app even works at all

[primal perch]

The best part of UI is being done with it

[gaunt mesa]

i am 1 streak away from a gold PILA

and this cockhead shot the thing i needed

[primal perch]

Oh nice we have troll now

[gaunt mesa]

[lime pivot]

also

[half walrus]

btw kirb what's that one thing i've heard you reference before

[gaunt mesa]

birb

[half walrus]

how like uh

the apple-endorsed relationship between controllers / models? / views

something like that

[primal perch]

Tube amp for increased mids

Only mids

No treble

[half walrus]

die

[primal perch]

No bass

[lime pivot]

if any of you have time to waste, try Android dev and tell me how much better the UI development features are in every way

[gaunt mesa]

krit wdym

[half walrus]

ban mids

[gaunt mesa]

delegates?

[lime pivot]

UI is in XML files that are actually human-readable and writable!

[half walrus]

it's a design structure apps should follow or something

like model/controller/view or something like that

[gaunt mesa]

yeah delegates

MVC

[half walrus]

no

[primal perch]

Ok but Ban treble that’s sibilant

[half walrus]

yes

[lime pivot]

and don't merge conflict with frame values changing by a fraction of a pixel inexplicably

[half walrus]

MVC sounds right

[lime pivot]

MVC

yeah

[gaunt mesa]

proper MVC is implemented via delegates

right?

[primal perch]

The dt990 / dt1990 is literally ear cancer

That 9khz spike lmao

[lime pivot]

MVVM if you're trying to complicate your life for no useful reason

[gaunt mesa]

oh yeah MVVM lmaoo

my dad talked about it and it seems more complicated

[half walrus]

MVC should be taught to every beginner jb dev

not for their own code

[gaunt mesa]

MVC should be taught to any dev making UI period

[primal perch]

By whom

[half walrus]

but because it's how apple works

[primal perch]

It’s not like anyone here is gonna

[half walrus]

tru

[primal perch]

The best you get here is some guy uhhing you 7 times

[lime pivot]

where you can lie to yourself that you're just moving logic away from your view code!!!! when you're basically just doing the C in MVC in a lazy way

[gaunt mesa]

apple's delegates and protocols system is genius

[half walrus]

just like a helpful thing for them to learn maybe in a guide

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

bc of the layoutSubviews issue

understand MVC and you understand where you should actually be hooking something

[lime pivot]

I think my coworker also hates when I make the decision to be very hardcore traditional MVC rather than the MVVM he wants the codebase to be

[gaunt mesa]

the easiest way to understand MVC imo is just to make a proper project in xcode

and use a table or collection view

and implement the correct delegates, with the data source NOT in the view controller

[lime pivot]

incidentally I think MVVM spawned out of Android still being dumb about activities being evicted from memory so often, 12 years on

[half walrus]

homeplus' original codebase is proof you can make a very complex, large, multi-view/controller/etc project with absolutely zero understanding of what the fuck you're doing

the UI code is just ripped from the structure of Flex lol

[lime pivot]

the idea is your activity gets destroyed on events like another activity being presented, or app goes to background, or (the absolute worst of them all) the phone rotates

[half walrus]

bc i wrote it before i knew how to write objc, even

[gaunt mesa]

i actually have made my own delegates for lyricify to populate data and decide which kind of controller

[half walrus]

its 2021 bitch

jesus

its 2021

[gaunt mesa]

too bad

[half walrus]

ok go to bed

[gaunt mesa]

u go to sleep

yeah

[lime pivot]

so you throw all your state in a separate view model class, which is not part of the activity, so conveniently Android doesn't go and destroy your state

[gaunt mesa]

its 5am and im not complalining

[primal perch]

2021

MAn I’m old

[half walrus]

it's orange name hours

[gaunt mesa]

xamarin uses this too

[lime pivot]

Apple stopped doing that shit in iOS 6

[primal perch]

[lime pivot]

where view controllers are evicted from memory when they're not visible

[primal perch]

I’m not even 18 but It’s just weird seeing 2021

[half walrus]

right

[primal perch]

Where are the microLED

[gaunt mesa]

view controllers are beautiful

[half walrus]

it feels like

june 2020

[primal perch]

Where’s the fucking 50Tb drives

[half walrus]

fuck happened

[lime pivot]

now they stay in memory forever so your memory leaks can roam free

[half walrus]

those exist tho

[primal perch]

I mean commercially available like u can buy it without losing a kidney

Like 8tb

[half walrus]

lol i remember seeing a 128gb flash drive in a microcenter catalogue and not believing it could exist

[lime pivot]

and you can pretend your shitty code isn't so bad because Apple says it actually is meant to always be in memory

[half walrus]

i can get a TB SSD for the same price of that flash drive now

[gaunt mesa]

bruh apparently java has multiple garbage collectors now

[lime pivot]

retain cycles up the wazoo at my job I mean holy shit

[gaunt mesa]

wazoo

[primal perch]

Fr I just want microLED

[lime pivot]

pretty sure every single view controller has at least one memory leak

[primal perch]

Displays are going to shit

[half walrus]

java's garbage collector is broken, bc if it were working it would've deleted java 6 years ago

[primal perch]

Panel variance these days is poop

[gaunt mesa]

g1 is bad

but zgc is great

[lime pivot]

wew

TBF, I think Kotlin is a very good successor to Java

[gaunt mesa]

kotlin is very beautiful

[half walrus]

never worked with it

java just feels like

[gaunt mesa]

its one of the best languages ive touched

[half walrus]

crappier python

[lime pivot]

and the Java<->Kotlin bridging is far better than the half-assed ObjC<->Swift

[gaunt mesa]

java just has a few infuriating things tho

[lime pivot]

you can actually subclass a Kotlin class in Java!

[gaunt mesa]

like no fucking dictionaries

[half walrus]

literally no benifits i can think of that java has over python

[gaunt mesa]

and its whole List subclasses

[half walrus]

still no java on arm windows

[lime pivot]

meanwhile in Apple land if you want to keep legacy ObjC but subclass from Swift, well, you can't

[half walrus]

microsoft had to port java to M1

lol

[primal perch]

[gaunt mesa]

java is shit cuz of Map and List

fucking ConcurrentBiDirectionalHashMap my ass

[lime pivot]

man look at this shit

[gaunt mesa]

that is an actual class in google guava im serious

[half walrus]

hey can i get a uh

dict

sorry dict machine broke all we got is uhhh

[gaunt mesa]

nope gonna have to use an ArrayList

[half walrus]

hashmap

[lime pivot]

there's ONE ultrawide monitor on the entire market that's actually 4K in terms of pixel density

[gaunt mesa]

or HashMap

[lime pivot]

(plus an MSI rebadge)

[half walrus]

fuck is an arraylist

that's what i'd name a variable that's a list of lists

[lime pivot]

all the others market themselves as yeah we're 4K or 5K!!! because it sells so easily

[gaunt mesa]

array that has a .add method

[half walrus]

like

[primal perch]

Not just that but more backlight bleed and dead pixels are increasingly “ok” to manufacturers

[lime pivot]

bitch you're 1080 or 1440 with extra horizontal pixels

[primal perch]

Worse Qc

[gaunt mesa]

cuz in java u cant just push and pop to an array

[half walrus]

that's like a functionMethod

[gaunt mesa]

LinkedList

[half walrus]

idk java is just like

[gaunt mesa]

BiDirectionalConcurrentLinkedList

[lime pivot]

well, I mean in the way that when you want nice monitors they basically don't exist in the market because manufacturing LCDs is so hard

[gaunt mesa]

google guava has horrible class names

[half walrus]

if u dont have an ide, you can't even write it

[gaunt mesa]

i mean what the fuck is is this

TriTableConcurrentTabledHashMap

that's asking for death

[half walrus]

it's not that its just "difficult", like it's just straight up not possible

took google's naming conventions and made it into a program language

[lime pivot]

and prices easily jump from like $200 for a monitor with some accepted dead pixels, definitely not color accurate, to like $1k+ for factory calibrated and guaranteed zero defects

[gaunt mesa]

java doesn't work well with vim-lsp

so i just use intelliJ for it

[half walrus]

smells that pycharm and other ij stuff use java

[gaunt mesa]

well they run pretty well

[half walrus]

if openjdk were better maintained or oracle gave a shit

[gaunt mesa]

openjdk is pretty well maintained

[lime pivot]

yeah but I mean, IntelliJ is the least bad Java app I've used by far

[gaunt mesa]

because of adopt

[lime pivot]

Eclipse, hooh boy

[half walrus]

still no arm

[gaunt mesa]

the only shitty jdks are coretto and oracle

[half walrus]

"build once, works everywhere"

[gaunt mesa]

JREs*

[half walrus]

*not everwhere

[lime pivot]

2 Billion Devices Run Java

[gaunt mesa]

3 billion

get ur facts right

[half walrus]

lol

[lime pivot]

just not yours lol sorry bitch

god dammit

[half walrus]

i have to know where that metric came from

[gaunt mesa]

its been on the installer since like 2007

[half walrus]

doesn't come preinstalled in windows

like IOT stuff would make sense but it's an old as shit slogan

and if you use java for an IOT device

quit your job

[gaunt mesa]

its probably all google

[lime pivot]

I remember seeing that update screen on my horrible XP laptop and thinking what makes you feel I need to know this information

[gaunt mesa]

because at one point all of google's scaling was handled using java

aka Borg

[half walrus]

only thing that makes sense

no mass-produced consumer device i can think of ships with java

[gaunt mesa]

oh

u would be surprised

[half walrus]

be a dead ass language without minecraft honestly

[lime pivot]

it's about as useful as putting Intel Inside stickers on my nice new laptop as if I give two fucks what CPU I bought after purchase

[primal perch]

Pretty much nobody installs it these days either except business id guess

Minecraft ships with its own runtime so that doesn’t really count

[gaunt mesa]

yeah

[primal perch]

I don’t have it installed

[half walrus]

i mean in terms of

java still being maintained

[gaunt mesa]

but its "own runtime" is the oracle jre

[lime pivot]

but hey it's ok because that wasted plastic and glue saves the OEM a few dollars on the CPU!!!

[half walrus]

if mc weren't a thing, be a tiny fraction of the current amount of capable devs interested in it or learning the language

[primal perch]

Yes obv but it doesn’t count as having java installed

[gaunt mesa]

ye

[primal perch]

Yay for saving a few dollars on manufacturing

[lime pivot]

yeah I reckon these days it's Minecraft and Android helping attract new devs to Java

[half walrus]

can't think of anything other than mc that uses java actually

excluding java IDEs

[gaunt mesa]

java is one of those languages that u can always expect GOOD autocomplete in tho

[half walrus]

well yeah

[gaunt mesa]

like using intelliJ has been such a treat

[half walrus]

if you dont have autocomplete ur fucked lol

[lime pivot]

enterprise is still in love with Java everything because idk I guess they love throwing money at Oracle for some reason

[gaunt mesa]

true but it doesn't have issues like typescript does sometimes

or swift

when going across files really

[half walrus]

like objc is writable in a plaintext-no-highlighting editor

[lime pivot]

glad companies are looking out for Larry Ellison, maybe he can buy another yacht soon with their generous donations

[half walrus]

despite being able to handle just as much complexity as java

[gaunt mesa]

oh yeah @primal perch ive made a lot of progress on a good customized autocomplete solution for jb dev