development

[fast olive]

Worser

[manic forum]

i agree

[fast olive]

how can apple make time machine so good and disk utility so bad

[manic forum]

idk

[fast olive]

now to turn on filevault

[manic forum]

...is exactly what i said before i rebooted and realized that my hackintosh installation doesn't have the correct drivers to support filevault yet

[fast olive]

I'm planning to build a hackintosh

I dont have a PC yet so I'm gonna specifically get the parts that are best for hackintosh

[manic forum]

if you're not planning to play games, not having a dedicated graphics card can simplify things

just use the iGPU

[fast olive]

I am planning to play games

otherwise I wouldnt build a pc

[manic forum]

then you should go for an AMD graphics card

[fast olive]

can i not use AMD graphics card with hackintosh?

idk much yet havent done the research

[manic forum]

AMD CPU? I think AMD CPUs have some issues

if you get an AMD CPU you'll not be able to update to new releases immediately afaik

not just major releases, also minor and patch releases

[fast olive]

Whatever I can use to best support hackintosh and won't make games run at 8fps

I want buttery smooth games

on windows

but also have a macOS install

I'm waiting a few months to build one anyway, I don't need a PS5 and I need a few more paychecks before I start picking parts

[primal perch]

your only option is amd pretty much

nvidia and hackintosh is a big nono

as for CPU, yeah id recommend intel for ease of use

my ideal combo build is 10700k / 5700XT (if you could get one) or 6700xt when it comes out should have macOS support based on leaks

[granite frigate]

are using aliases a good habit

[primal perch]

aliases in what context

[burnt niche]

Aliases if done right can make your life a bit easier yes

[granite frigate]

to automate something ig

if im lazy to type

[burnt niche]

Like a theos alias

[granite frigate]

yeah

[burnt niche]

Yea why not

[granite frigate]

to run nic.pl

[burnt niche]

Saves time

I do it

[granite frigate]

cool

when is it bad then

[burnt niche]

pretty sure evrryone does

[primal perch]

never

[burnt niche]

I mean never

^

[primal perch]

do whatever you want

[granite frigate]

[burnt niche]

Exactly

Whatever makes it easier for you

[primal perch]

the only "bad" habits are like using #define on all your code to make it look like a different language

[burnt niche]

Other peoples opinions shouldnt matter

[lethal ice]

i just added export PATH=$PATH:$THEOS/bin in my .profile

its cracked

[burnt niche]

I have a lot of aliases

I also have a shortcuts in my visual code. If i press command + enter. It does make clean and make do.

If i press command + backspace. It resprings my device

And stuff like that. To make it easier for me to develop

How to add command line shortcuts in Visual Studio Code: 1. Install terminal-command-keys. 2. Open command pallete and open keybindings.json. 3. paste [ { "key": "cmd+enter", "command": "terminalCommandKeys.run", "args": { "cmd": "make -j clean do" } },{ "key": "cmd+r", "command": "terminalCommandKeys.run", "args": { "cmd": "respring" } } ]

[granite frigate]

is it better to ssh into phone and use theos there or use theos on computer

or are they the same

[burnt niche]

use theos on computer

theos on phone will not perform as good as on computer

[granite frigate]

yeah i noticed

its slower

my theos on my arch is kinda broken i think

there isnt any control file

[burnt niche]

if someone wants to pin that for other people so they can use that.

[granite frigate]

shocking that phone is not as fast as computer

[burnt niche]

how is that shocking

lol

[granite frigate]

/s

cmon

[half walrus]

IT WORKS* (*kinda)

fuck

ahh the originally working one was only working because of a typo

now they both work

[cloud sundial]

What's that?

[lime pivot]

how many CPU cores/threads does your PC have?

that will decide how fast compiling will be for the most part

[lime pivot]

interesting approach to open sourcing lmao

[half walrus]

oh you haven't seen the half of it kirb

that's just a specific thing i spent 3 hours on

[grim sparrow]

You can download the native arm version of Xcode on the dev site right?

[lime pivot]

Xcode 12 is universal

may be thinned for the app store build though

https://xcodereleases.com

[grim sparrow]

Hmm

[half walrus]

wait what happens if i

[granite frigate]

8 threads/4cores

1.6ghz

[grim sparrow]

in Geekbench my phone destroys my MacBook in every test

So a lot of the time I’ll just compile on my phone over ssh

[granite frigate]

lol

[lime pivot]

that’s definitely the better choice then

[lime pivot]

I’d look more at compilation benchmarks, although, I guess those are considered Bad on iOS so it doesn’t exist in benchmark suites

[grim sparrow]

My phone beats it no matter what

Doesn’t take much to beat the amazing power of the dual core i5-5150U

[lime pivot]

short bursty compiles can actually be very fast on Intel thanks to turbo boost, it’ll just crank the clock speed for like 20 seconds before settling down a bit to a more sustainable clock speed

I hate that I sound like I’m defending Intel here lmao

[lime pivot]

oh if your laptop is a potato then you get potato results, obv 😛

[grim sparrow]

Iirc compiling Signal on my amazing beast of a machine averages 9 minutes or so

from a clean build

[lime pivot]

I compared my MacBook 12” (7th gen Intel I think?) to my Pro 16” with i9, well lmao you should not be surprised it turns out the slow laptop is slow!!!

[grim sparrow]

And that’s just a simple app with a few views and a little bit of backend stuff

I need an armbook

[lime pivot]

but I mean disgustingly slow like the system is trying to simultaneously turbo, maintain temps, and also drive the gui and whatever else you’re doing

all with a low power profile… and no fan…

[granite frigate]

ssh with phone?

ok

[lime pivot]

basically you were paying like 2x the price of an Air for the performance of a clunky $300 Acer pile of junk

[grim sparrow]

The armbook air lookin kinda hot rn

[lime pivot]

well put it this way, your pc has 8 cores (virtual) and your phone has 4 (big cores only)

[granite frigate]

hmmm

i dk which is better

[lime pivot]

the actual core performance may be better though

[grim sparrow]

A12 vs i5-5150U, doesn’t take much to realise which is better

[granite frigate]

i have not benchmarked

[lime pivot]

well yeah no competition there lmao

[granite frigate]

mine is a i5-8250u

vs a12

[lime pivot]

there was a time I was on an i3-370M or some shit

[grim sparrow]

[lime pivot]

1st gen Core i mobile series

it was terrible but an SSD upgrade helped heaps

back when 240 GB would set you back like $400

[grim sparrow]

[lime pivot]

man I was like 13 when I was already making my computers go brrr

I had 16 GB in my Mac mini before it was cool

[grim sparrow]

I wonder if my gpu will arrive before my 16th birthday

[lime pivot]

few days later amy gets a flat parcel of just a GPU die

[grim sparrow]

[granite frigate]

[grim sparrow]

Progress hasn’t been good

[lime pivot]

yeah all those minors got all the graphics cards this year

(not to be confused with miners, who are jerks)

[grim sparrow]

27/11: 932
4/12: 909
11/12: 879

[granite frigate]

how is everyone so rich to get those graphics cards

[grim sparrow]

[lime pivot]

hard work and no expenses lmao

[grim sparrow]

I think it’s pretty common knowledge where I got mine from

[lime pivot]

I have my dream-ish setup now, so I guess that means I can move out soon

[grim sparrow]

lol

[granite frigate]

good idea but i cant work

[lime pivot]

if you can count a 9900K paired with a 1060 3GB as “dream setup”

[granite frigate]

maybe i can go do 300 giveaways for a 3080

[lime pivot]

can y’all say bottleneck with me

[grim sparrow]

I honestly think in my build the cpu is bottleneck

3700X + 3080 + 16gb

[lime pivot]

3080 very much goes brrr

I’d say it may be lmao

[granite frigate]

is there a calculator for bottlenecking

[lime pivot]

not sure you’ll notice it in reality though

[granite frigate]

oh there is

[grim sparrow]

Realistically no

[granite frigate]

lol nice my a12 processor is faster than my laptop

[grim sparrow]

Nice

Too bad my a12 device isn’t jailbroken

[granite frigate]

[grim sparrow]

@lime pivot is it normal for new testflight builds to get accepted instantly

[lime pivot]

internal testing has no review

external testing does but it’s extremely lenient

[grim sparrow]

I submitted 2 new builds last night to external

Approved for testing instantly

[lime pivot]

still a pain to wait when you know you’ll be approved anyway

really? damn

during PST working hours?

[grim sparrow]

Literally press submit and it instantly goes to approved

[lime pivot]

how tf

[grim sparrow]

I could of bundled Odyssey in it for all I care

[lime pivot]

I think I did it wrong™ last week because I had like build 10 accepted for external testing, then I tried to promote build 11 to external and it wanted me to do review again

[grim sparrow]

My version stayed 0.1, but the builds went 169 -> 170 -> 171

Right now it’s in a very works state

[restive ether]

[half walrus]

lol @lime pivot

[half walrus]

.

is this how you're supposed to do open source?

god

it works

[lime pivot]

yeah I did this too

4.0.0 (10) (11) (12) etc

every time triggered review

[grim sparrow]

Hmm

[lime pivot]

I hope it’s not because we changed the app name

[grim sparrow]

I’ll see if it happens again later, I’ve already got a bug fix build ready

[lime pivot]

funniest thing is we changed the name again (turns out I was given the wrong info and released with the wrong name lmao)

so I won’t even be able to test till we do a 4.1 I guess

[grim sparrow]

I think my name might cause a problem

When/if it goes public

[lime pivot]

parent’s name?

[grim sparrow]

No

Name of app*

[lime pivot]

oh

though it’ll show parent’s name as author if that’s what you’re set up under unfortunately lmao

[grim sparrow]

I’ve remade this app

[lime pivot]

hah, hmm nah

you’ll be fine

[grim sparrow]

I don’t have permission to reverse their api which is interesting

[half walrus]

'for' usually works fine

[grim sparrow]

They never responded to my emails about doing it

[lime pivot]

at least if this were Chariz I would approve it since it says “for EduLink” and doesn’t try to sound official

[grim sparrow]

Everyone who has tried it, says it’s far better than the original

So if overnet weren’t dumb they’d just allow it

[lime pivot]

funny, we changed our company name to coincide with this app release, but nobody thought to update the Apple Developer account name

so it’s New App Name by Defunct Company Name 🤷‍♀️

(© New Company Name)

[grim sparrow]

The only bad thing is my dev account is in dead name

And need legal documents to rectify that

[half walrus]

register an llc

[grim sparrow]

Have considered that actually

[half walrus]

i mean i did

[lime pivot]

that ^^^^^

but how did you manage that

[half walrus]

you want a single member llc

(most likely)

[lime pivot]

I thought Apple wants an adult’s legal name or a business entity

our equivalent of LLC is how I did it Back In Those Days

now I’m an old man 👴

[grim sparrow]

Idk man, it costs £12 to register in the UK

[lime pivot]

cheaper than here it costs like $300 for 2 years at a time

[grim sparrow]

[half walrus]

ah thank god checkra1n has a 'reinstall cydia' button to reinstall my broken cydia install

glad it wont use cydia to do that bc my cydia is not functioning hence me reinstalling it

[lime pivot]

hah I totally forgot I added that and forgot to test it after all the issues we had initially

I think someone fixed it for me

yeah well, heh, why would you reinstall Cydia if Cydia works

[half walrus]

i'm sorry that was thin sarcasm

it uses cydia

it's just a cydia uri link to the cydia package

[lime pivot]

however when extra package manager options show up (when… when…) it’ll just kick you to the installed package manager cause it’s safer that way if you’ve already bootstrapped

ok I guess that’s how it was … erm … “fixed”

have not worked on that codebase in a year

bugs can probably be blamed on @rapid lion 💚

[half walrus]

@rapid lion downvote emoji

[tepid olive]

noob question, how do I find the entitlements of an iOS app binary on Linux

[grim sparrow]

ldid -e binary

[half walrus]

ldid not exist?

[grim sparrow]

It should do

[lime pivot]

use ldid or jtool

[half walrus]

jtool works too yeah

all else fails just hex dump it lol

[grim sparrow]

never used jtool personally

[lime pivot]

or dsdump but don’t know if that’s a macOS-specific tool

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

ah right, ~/theos/toolchain/linux/iphone/bin/ldid

[lime pivot]

I used it like once because ldid was broken on iOS 11 for a bit

[grim sparrow]

I wonder if an unenrolled deed poll is enough for Apple

[lime pivot]

oh it was for sha256 sigs back when all we had was manual trust cache injection

[tepid olive]

DNS broke in WSL again, fun >_>

[lime pivot]

good times

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

yep ldid -e is working

[half walrus]

apple is a fairly progressive company and it's likely if you got in contact with their support team and explained the situation they'd be accomodating

[grim sparrow]

You need legal documents

because of business laws and stuff idk

[half walrus]

ah yeah

still might be worth reaching out

[lime pivot]

yeah WWDR are pretty good with all these housekeeping things

do give them a call or email

[half walrus]

/shrug

[lime pivot]

call will get it done quicker probs

[grim sparrow]

[half walrus]

membership info != displayed info

[grim sparrow]

True

[lime pivot]

I had to talk to them about changing the account owner from dad to me and they were super chill and helpful

[grim sparrow]

[half walrus]

mm that reminds me

[grim sparrow]

I’ll try soon

[lime pivot]

very unlike, say… google

[half walrus]

i need to contact them and try to get into my account from when i was 12

bc that icloud email is also my minecraft account login

i still play on it but i haven't been able to access my mojang account since i was 14

6 years of procrastinating on emailing apple

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

inb4 "no can do because you were under 13 when you registered it presses delete account button"

[grim sparrow]

That’s what I’m scared of

[tepid olive]

Twitter literally locked me out of my account for a year when I was 19 just because I was under 13 when I registered

[grim sparrow]

I’m still not even old enough to have the account

[half walrus]

do you have apple developer

[grim sparrow]

Yeah

It’s all in my name

[lime pivot]

kinda not recommended when it’s a more serious contract

I wouldn’t give a shit if it’s like netflix saying you need to be over 18

but Apple dev account yeah I’d play by their rules

[grim sparrow]

[lime pivot]

…I know that’s not always viable though

[tepid olive]

apparently websites/companies are legally required to delete accounts of users under 13 per COPPA, idk if that still applies if the user is old enough now, maybe just delete old data from before they turned 13 like Twitter did (took them a year to even develop that solution)

[grim sparrow]

It’s not exactly viable for me tbh

To use my parents

I have to make do with what I can

[lime pivot]

I feel like Twitter over-interpreted it and decided to go the safest route possible

but apparently not enough to make birthday mandatory

[tepid olive]

I had a PayPal when I was younger, made a new one this year to make sure I don't get locked out in the future, even though technically the old one was under my dad's name

[tepid olive]

it is mandatory now but it can be removed after registration

[lime pivot]

aha

yeah see I’ll never add mine to my profile because I really cbf dealing with it

[tepid olive]

I'm 21 now so no issue with the new PayPal or the Apple Developer account I registered this year

[lime pivot]

it’s funny though, I did have it on there before they started doing the lockouts

[tepid olive]

I had mine on 1997 with year hidden because it wouldn't let me set 1999... when they finally let me change it I was a dumbass and changed it and that's how I got locked out >_>

[lime pivot]

yeah… jerks

[tepid olive]

it can't take them a year to delete some old tweets and DMs ffs

and from what I'm hearing maybe that was actually a one-time offer

people who are still getting locked out due to that now have been unable to get their accounts back

unless they submit the ID of their parents / older relatives/friends and pretend it's their own - Twitter will happily accept that if you're not like a celebrity or anything

[lime pivot]

as soon as they become aware of a violation they need to delete the data, but I don’t think that extends as far as 5+ year old data when you’re now 18+

it’s all stupid

[half walrus]

can anyone verify my repo is borked rn

[tepid olive]

yeah, this lockout thing with Twitter started due to the GDPR, but some of it is because of COPPA

[lime pivot]

it’s like they wanted to be accommodating but in the end made it super confusing

[grim sparrow]

Link

[half walrus]

all files look fine, repo shoes no packages

https://repo.krit.me/

[lime pivot]

more the legal department’s fault than anything else

[tepid olive]

the interesting thing is, if you were >13 but <16 when registering your account, Twitter will simply show a consent prompt asking you to consent to keep your data from before you turned 16

[half walrus]

fun

so is it just my cydia borked or all cydias

[tepid olive]

imagine using Cydia

[grim sparrow]

Want me to install cydia

[tepid olive]

fun fact when I first jailbroke on 13.3 I actually stuck to Cydia for a while despite the annoyances but then I finally decided to try out other package managers

[lime pivot]

you have two newlines at the end

[half walrus]

shoes

in Packages?

[lime pivot]

yeah

[half walrus]

lord why is that

sigh

[grim sparrow]

It’s empty in cydia yeah

[half walrus]

i know its apt spec but, cmon

[lime pivot]

apt parser is dated 😬

I mean, it’s built to spec

the spec is just super old and needs to remain compatible and blah blah

an objective of Debian’s for some unknown reason is the ability to upgrade from 15+ years ago to latest Debian

how’s that for an upgrade path huh

compare that to the broken electra upgrade path 🤷‍♀️

[grim sparrow]

It’s refactor time

[lime pivot]

I wouldn’t even be surprised if your latest development was footwear for repos

[half walrus]

god i love this

[grim sparrow]

[half walrus]

wasn't it

[grim sparrow]

whats the purpose of scan.py

[half walrus]

dpkg-scanpackages

i mean

go run cat scan.py on the site

literally everything there is viewable

[manic forum]

@half walrus i cat'd one of the tweak.xm files and the terminal vanished

[half walrus]

neat i wonder why

[grim sparrow]

well that was a miracle

for whatever reason

you can't paste from clipboard into the password field of on appleid.apple.com

so changing password with a long password is very stressful

[half walrus]

lol this may actually be like

i think i really broke something

aww nvm

i set a max-height larger than i ever expected to hit and i wasn’t dreaming big enough

[grim sparrow]

lol

[half walrus]

@lime pivot packix has 3

truly kind of saurik to hide any visual indication of errors whatsoever

[grim sparrow]

ikr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688121419980341282/787318517367963668/Screen_Recording_2020-12-12_at_14.01.36.mov

I've done a very bad thing

oh

oh

oh

oh

oh

i'm a fucking idiot

[glacial matrix]

python to wasm might be able to solve that?

[tepid olive]

[grim sparrow]

I CONFUSED MY FUNCTION NAMES STFU

[tepid olive]

[grim sparrow]

I'm beginning to hate this api even more

When sending pdf documents, it sends it as base64 in a http request, instead of just sending a direct link to the file

[tepid olive]

that’s arguably the better way for them to have done it

[grim sparrow]

why not just a direct link to the file

[tepid olive]

providing a url to a document doesn’t really make sense

returning data is better in a lot of scenarios

direct file link = bad

many times that would mean double querying

once for url

once at that url

[grim sparrow]

if they sent the url it would equal the same number of queries

1: First query to get list of documents
2: Get the data for one document

How it should be:
1: First query gets list + links
2: Open link

bearing in mind this will quite happily send 4mb in one request

[tepid olive]

getURL();
getFileFromURL();

vs

getDataOfFile();

no?

[glacial matrix]

send a redirect response then. if you allow redirects you get the file, if you don't you end at the url

[tepid olive]

api returning url for a document

[glacial matrix]

why is having both not an option?

[tepid olive]

it is

but it would appear to be not as simplistic as just sending data

[glacial matrix]

perhaps. it could also be the way the architecture works. if you have the files in a public bucket you can just provide the link to them instead of streaming it from the bucket to the server and from the server to the client

[gaunt mesa]

uh what

this is wrong

from what i've seen.... if an API was designed with some sort of effort and education/enterprise support in mind then it would be uploading to an s3 pool and returning a link

returning data is far beyond cursed here

[half walrus]

[grim sparrow]

lmao

[half walrus]

web api sending documents should let the receiver handle how it’s going to download them

not just shove it a shitload of data it’s not sure how it wants yet

here specifically it’s a private API and private client; it makes no difference how they implement it, this is likely faster

in any other situation it’s not a good way to handle it imo

[gaunt mesa]

every education company arguably has like the worst practices ever

[grim sparrow]

lol

[gaunt mesa]

even if it has the option, URL first should be the default

[half walrus]

outsources*

[gaunt mesa]

not really

[half walrus]

that’s what i’m saying

[gaunt mesa]

i've done a lot of research on this for many reasons

but schools just hire some developers who worked with some old language in DOS

and be like yeh mek gud api

[half walrus]

heh

if we’re talking schools they were the ones in charge of everything

[gaunt mesa]

education software should be treated the same as enterprise

i'm talking about the companies

like powerschool, synergy, etc

[grim sparrow]

this api isn't exclusive to my school, this entire system is the most used around the whole uk

Overnet data power almost every school

[half walrus]

@lime pivot can you tell i’ve been talking to sam

[gaunt mesa]

damn

my school uses studentvue and the entire county system crashed cuz some teacher put a grade over 0

and when she saved the entire thing went down

[tepid olive]

lmaooo

[half walrus]

wonder what happens if i

today krit learned why buffers exist

[spice talon]

@half walrus another dragonbuild question:
So I have the file:

---
name: ExampleTool
icmd: echo 
Example:
    type: tool
    targetvers: 11.0
    archs:
        - arm64
        - arm64e
    objc_files:
        - main.m
cflags: -I/usr/include

but /usr/include is not being included. Usually you'd use -I to add to clang's search prefix?
Does dragonbuild have a solution to this issue?
Thanks

[half walrus]

mine relies on being interpreted :p

[half walrus]

indentation

cflags are module specific, they need to be indented with the module they’re in

also, you can use the “include:” variable and skip the “-I”

include: /usr/include

you can also modify the internal variable for it and add yours in ~/.dragonbuild/DragonGen/defaults.yml

[spice talon]

@half walrus another question: how would I add a dylib to the build project

[glacial matrix]

well, someone claims that the interpreter itself was compiled to wasm, so technically I don't think it's impossible
https://www.reddit.com/r/WebAssembly/comments/fgmh2h/is_it_possible_to_compile_python_to_wasm/fk5v2lc/

[half walrus]

:p sceptical tbh i’ll have to look

[glacial matrix]

I meant to reply to this

[half walrus]

yeah

go to https://krit.me/debug/ and type import re in the interpreter

the rest of the script runs “ok”, using re or even importing it shows just how huge the performance hits can get

and this is a fairly efficient transpiler that only transpiles to raw js when it needs to

i’d be amazed if an entirely transpiled interpreter beats it out honestly

i may need to look at something like it though

catting a 5kb file adds a nice 2MB to the stack (can’t remember if that was before or after the memory “fix”)

[surreal mountain]

Brython 3.8.9 on Netscape 5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_15_6) AppleWebKit/605.1.15 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/14.0.1 Safari/605.1.15

is this supposed to be my system

[half walrus]

it’s the interpreter and the machine it’s running on

[surreal mountain]

ah ok

[half walrus]

so brython and the browser

[surreal mountain]

i was wondering about the macintosh; intel mac os x

part

[half walrus]

standard python repl startup output

[misty cradle]

rm -rf

[half walrus]

god i’ve never put so much time into something so useless

[surreal mountain]

which is completely false if thats supposed to be my system

[half walrus]

although it is nice to yknow

[surreal mountain]

and i find it hard to believe you run your site on macos

[misty cradle]

your website is still working

[surreal mountain]

weirdest depiction award goes to @half walrus i guess

[half walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/688124600269144162/787352223625248798/image0.png browsing dragonbuild source code from a Zebra depiction

bc why not man

[surreal mountain]

bruh

[half walrus]

god is dead

who is your god now

[surreal mountain]

so is it literally a sandboxed machine/vm or does it just print things based on what you type

afaik its just a machine with only certain commands enabled thru python?

[half walrus]

in technical terms it’s a client side terminal emulator written in python for browsers

[surreal mountain]

wait

not only is it rendered client side

all the processing is too

[half walrus]

although it’s also a filesystem emulator

[surreal mountain]

????/

what

the

fuck

that is cool

[half walrus]

cd ~

mkdir shit

cd shit

touch hi

ls

[misty cradle]

ok but where is rm

[half walrus]

up your ass

[misty cradle]

true

let me go find it

[half walrus]

i’ll add rm in a bit

[misty cradle]

yay finally able to delete the entire site /s

[surreal mountain]

add echo

[half walrus]

notice how i’ve already added file permissions if you create a file or directory

[surreal mountain]

bruh

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

cd ~

[gaunt mesa]

krit this is overkill asf

[half walrus]

cat client.py

(or don’t)

[surreal mountain]

thisis so cool tho

[half walrus]

it’s the source code

i’m about to move it into separate files because i need to expand on different parts of the filesystem emulator vs the shell emulator

[surreal mountain]

i broke it

if you cat client.py ti just fucking breaks

[half walrus]

https://krit.me/iphoneos/
https://krit.me/fsmapping/iphoneos/

[surreal mountain]

ive now ended up here

where i type is above where im supposed to

[half walrus]

noted, had a similar issue with bp index.html

(i think it’s wrapped now?)

[surreal mountain]

let me hceck

eyp

ype

yep

[half walrus]

ye

hidden commands are

e <stuff> - evaluates really small things, breaks on anything even basically complex, just use it for printf(variable) or w/e

i - open the debug interpreter

[half walrus]

bp <file> - debug command that calls the function that uses fsmapping to pull files and prints the wrapped output

sbreload reloads the webpage

if i ever find a webkit exploit i’ll throw it in without saying anything and wait for someone to notice

[half walrus]

this is why i need to abstract more

i have the basic setup for file descriptors but it’s not enough

and for echo to work in a useful manner i need pipes to work, and to implement pipes i need properly emulated file descriptors and devices

because this whole thing is cursed but damnit ima do it right

oh and the worst part is, i can’t use objects; i need to essentially write this entirely procedurally

not an interpreter limit but the overhead of OOP during filesystem emulation gets absurd at this level

it was already breaking zebra without having it force-clear memory after reading files larger than 500B

[surreal mountain]

sbreload dont work

[restive ether]

L

[surreal mountain]

true

[half walrus]

fuk

yeah that’s another issue that needs more abstracting

[surreal mountain]

lol

this is painful idk why you did this

lmao

[half walrus]

let’s play spot the bug

[surreal mountain]

space

[half walrus]

honest to god this is one of the first times i actually don’t know why

like usually it’s because someone told me i couldn’t, or someone insisted something was impossible

[surreal mountain]

LMAO

[half walrus]

or because it’s useful to me

this is like

“why”

[surreal mountain]

this is cool tho

[half walrus]

“well it can run cd ../.. now!”

[surreal mountain]

some commands completely freeze it

like cat with no texg

or ls with anything after

[half walrus]

that’s an uncaught error

[surreal mountain]

i lied

cat without text is fine

[half walrus]

there’ll be text in console in your browser

if it freezes

[half walrus]

which one is that

ls <nonexistient>?

[surreal mountain]

yes

[half walrus]

here’s the behaviour normally

i need to delegate soft-loading dirs to it’s own thing in the filesystem.py when i make that

[surreal mountain]

true

[half walrus]

because why the thing in my situation is happening is

[surreal mountain]

is create_node mkdir

33.33% cache on my site

not bad

[half walrus]

well

it’s the backend for it

[surreal mountain]

when eta cookie cache to store user data

[half walrus]

and also for making files

[surreal mountain]

o

[half walrus]

browser.localstorage when i get there and that’s not a joke lol, been planned

[surreal mountain]

oh my

add a purge command for that whenever u fo

do

[half walrus]

create_node handles creating nodes, which represent files and directories

dir flag is what makes a node a dir

subdirectories are an illusion, every file and folder is represented incrementally in order of addition via “create_node”

[glacial matrix]

y u no elif?

[half walrus]

good name for a command to remove files might be ‘rm’ ;)

[half walrus]

it’s one of those things where i’m not fixing bad syntax when i could instead spend 1.5x longer doing it the right way

which is implementing a PATH and binary representation/searching

which’ll require file descriptors and devices to be working

[glacial matrix]

I'm not even asking for a diff implementation that might be better, just elif instead of if so it doesn't do all the comparisons everytime

[half walrus]

oh yeah i’m explaining why i probably won’t get around to fixing that rn or at any point (on mobile right now and out so i can’t anyways)

whole set of command -> function passing was copy-pasted quickly so i could focus on getting essentials working well

for what it’s worth, i’ve had to do some research into plenty of lower level unix things for this, so maybe it’ll help in the experience department ig

stdin/out is gonna be funnnn

and working downloading + file read buffering into that is gonna be more funnnn

(don’t try to cat anything in iphoneos, it just dies)

[surreal mountain]

@knotty berry help with m1 ecid/nonce shit

tried using LMG to get ecid but my bins just crash

ive used dlopen LMG and just -lMobileGestalt in clang

neither of which have worked so far

[half walrus]

idk who's idea the Verified role is but god bless you

[surreal mountain]

true

[half walrus]

24-core pc with 32gb of ram and lightspeed internet

brew update takes 2 minutes to run on it

christ

[surreal mountain]

yes but

have u ever had

brew update

take

17 minutes

when you updated earlier that day

[half walrus]

at 2 minutes just ctrl+c and manually build from source man

[surreal mountain]

tbh ur right

i still need to find out how to get ecid on m1

any ideas

[half walrus]

well

[surreal mountain]

idk how to do iokit shit

[half walrus]

what do you have already

can you set entitlements

[half walrus]

.

[half walrus]

:p

[surreal mountain]

third entitlement was a test

[half walrus]

are you allowed by the kernel to apply entitlements to a binary

[surreal mountain]

how am i supposed to figure that out

[half walrus]

guess we'll see

one sec

[surreal mountain]

lol

poger

def not

well

with changes probably

[half walrus]

ah yes

changes

[surreal mountain]

[half walrus]

™️

[surreal mountain]

idek what changes

but

yes™️

[half walrus]

ios apps can run on windows with Changes™️

[surreal mountain]

true

[half walrus]

upgrade your toolchain

download devicesupport files manually

the incompatibility is due to an abi change, if there even is an incompatibility at the moment

[surreal mountain]

me when freethesandbox doesnt even build on ios 13

[half walrus]

fts builds fine, I've been working with it for the past week

[surreal mountain]

its prob cuz im on xcode 12

it biulds fine on 14 just not 13

[half walrus]

so am i

[surreal mountain]

i cloned from source

[half walrus]

building with xcode 12 with the default toolchain for ios 13

[surreal mountain]

i never changed toolchain

[half walrus]

what's the issue

neither did i

clang 12.0

[surreal mountain]

lotx of them

[half walrus]

™️

[surreal mountain]

let me try

lots of 'Use of undeclared identifier'

but it works on 14

[half walrus]

[grim sparrow]

.

[surreal mountain]

but then this

builds fine

only when my target is 14.2

or any version of 14 i assume

[half walrus]

probably bad headers then

[surreal mountain]

can i select sdk

[half walrus]

builds fine

[grim sparrow]

oh ffs

[surreal mountain]

wtf

when i build to

my device

not the sim

it works

wtf

aids

[half walrus]

damn its like the sim is an entirely different arch

[surreal mountain]

no?

[half walrus]

m1?

[surreal mountain]

yes

[half walrus]

still different runtime and devicesupport profiles

and exploits are low level

they want mach headers and shit

lower than mach*

[peak quartz]

hey do we have some kind of upgraded applist that can show only apps of kind X for example, apps that are "social" or some stuff?

[surreal mountain]

hmm ok

[half walrus]

not till u write it 😛 @peak quartz

[peak quartz]

doesnt sound too hard 😛

[half walrus]

shouldn't be too hard, i think applist is open source(?)

yeah

unupdated in years, an alternative would be neat

[gaunt mesa]

how does app library filter apps

[half walrus]

(please please use MIT or BSD (1/2 clause pls(?)) if you open source it)

[gaunt mesa]

is the category attached to some plist in the app?

[half walrus]

^ yes

[gaunt mesa]

MIT > *

[half walrus]

bsd is better

[gaunt mesa]

i think i could churn up something then

[half walrus]

it'd be extremely easy

[gaunt mesa]

yeah

but i want it to be extensible and customizable

not something quick and dirty

i'll actually make it like how alderis overrides libcolorpicker

[surreal mountain]

true

[gaunt mesa]

can have a little legacy helper class

[half walrus]

https://opensource.stackexchange.com/a/582

answer skips over bsd-1c which is what i use now

[gaunt mesa]

thanks for that krit

[half walrus]

but yes

[grim sparrow]

damn

i do love when my vps just crashes

for no reason

[half walrus]

Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:

1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.

[gaunt mesa]

time to mess with PSSpecifiers again

[half walrus]

literally unbeatable

[half walrus]

why use PSSpecifiers

[gaunt mesa]

the only part im unsure about is how to override existing applist

[half walrus]

render your own table view

[gaunt mesa]

hmm true i don't have to use them

[grim sparrow]

sudo systemctl reboot DemoAPI literally crashed the whole system

[half walrus]

i'd avoid rewriting applist

[gaunt mesa]

but i do want it to fit the stock style of iOS

[half walrus]

not,

i

i'd avoid not rewriting applist

(?)

[gaunt mesa]

yeah i get what ur trying to say

[half walrus]

code bad make new code code good

[gaunt mesa]

i can't understand

wait a sec

[half walrus]

everyone writes bad code and when you mix two people's flavors of bad code and one of them is like 10 years old

[gaunt mesa]

doesn't libsparkapplist already do this

[half walrus]

probably yes

[gaunt mesa]

organize by category

[half walrus]

i forget that exists

[gaunt mesa]

it doesn't override applist tho

if u want adoption its gotta do what alderis did

[half walrus]

i dont like depending on libraries on non-standard repos

[gaunt mesa]

its on dynastic last i checked

but maybe im wrong

[half walrus]

correct

idk i dont use his stuff ever since he decided to spell color "colour" in his color picker

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

idc if it's the better spelling it's wrong

[gaunt mesa]

is it open source?

okay luckily it is

but it's not really something that's viable to use /shrug

[half walrus]

no

[gaunt mesa]

fuck

[half walrus]

it's spark

https://github.com/SparkDev97/libSparkColourPicker

[peak quartz]

@half walrus

[gaunt mesa]

https://github.com/SparkDev97/libSparkAppList

[peak quartz]

i think we have a bigger issue

instagram is cataloged as - Photo & Video

XD

[gaunt mesa]

that's been a thing

[half walrus]

renai did u actually check the link you just posted

[peak quartz]

facebook is Social Netowrking

[half walrus]

there's no code there

[gaunt mesa]

no i did not

ofc typical shit

well time to write something

[half walrus]

it's spark yeah

it's open source only in the sense that i can drop it into IDA, click decompile all, and get enough to compile it

[gaunt mesa]

but that's

just no

[misty cradle]

he's british obv

[half walrus]

who cares tho

UIColor doesn't have a nationality

[gaunt mesa]

okay gonna do the alternative now

[half walrus]

they don't spell it UIColour over there

[grim sparrow]

UIColour

[misty cradle]

time to make a tweak for it

[gaunt mesa]

british people be like:

@interface UIColour : UIColor
@end

[grim sparrow]

It needs to be colour

[grim sparrow]

LMAO THIS IS GREAT

[misty cradle]

make every UIColor instance UIColour

[half walrus]

#define UIColour UIColor
...

[gaunt mesa]

no

cuz the methods

have color in them too

[half walrus]

what abt em

[gaunt mesa]

so they have to change those to colour

colourWithRed

etc

[half walrus]

and?

not with that #define

[gaunt mesa]

[UIColour colorWithRed

[half walrus]

yes that would work using that macro

[gaunt mesa]

oh really?

well i never knew this

[half walrus]

how wouldn't it

[misty cradle]

yes but if u check with flex

it wont be UIColour

[gaunt mesa]

OH TRUE

[misty cradle]

[gaunt mesa]

we must subclass it

[half walrus]

i deadass joined his discord just to yell at him about the u

like 7 months ago

[gaunt mesa]

iPhoneOS14.0-British.sdk

[misty cradle]

@opal hazel make tweak pls to subclass UIColor --> UIColour to piss krit off

[gaunt mesa]

what are some other british words

that are spelled diff

[grim sparrow]

Gray/Grey

[half walrus]

that's not british

[grim sparrow]

[gaunt mesa]

oops yeah

[half walrus]

colour, flavour, behaviour, harbour, honour, humour, labour, neighbour, rumour, splendour

[gaunt mesa]

LMAO

[grim sparrow]

lmao

[gaunt mesa]

oof that's a lot of changes to the header file

[grim sparrow]

lol

[half walrus]

well use a macro lol

other way around, color to colour

although

you'd want to use something like we used for velox obf

[gaunt mesa]

velox obf

[half walrus]

obfuscation

[gaunt mesa]

lol

ik

velox uses rich man hikari

[half walrus]

oh yeah u probably know what it did then

[half walrus]

lmfao no

[gaunt mesa]

[grim sparrow]

[gaunt mesa]

i saw daniel open a bunch of issues on the gh

[half walrus]

with velox in the logs too
not exactly a secret lol

but yeah he was using the public build

[misty cradle]

@half walrus i saw ur tweet about planning to either update hswidgets to ios 14 or velox

pls hswidgets, since its actually stable and would be less waste of a time

[gaunt mesa]

and free

[half walrus]

probably the better choice ig

i wrote one of those so

[gaunt mesa]

plus we have ngh0st running it

[misty cradle]

[half walrus]

that's the reason i'm still considering it

[pearl sail]

morning peeps

[misty cradle]

no offense but velox is shit, i hate it

.

[half walrus]

chances are daniel will once again not get back to me for over a month

[misty cradle]

he too busy flexing on the gram with his cars

[half walrus]

and i'll get bored and go with hswidgets

[pearl sail]

what kinda cars?

[gaunt mesa]

rich man ones

/s

[misty cradle]

^

[pearl sail]

[grim sparrow]

damn I'm so intelligent

When the value returned by the api is both a string and int depending on the user for some stupid reason
"\(result["id"] ?? "Not Given")"

[misty cradle]

[grim sparrow]

it's so fucking dumb

it returns an int for me

[misty cradle]

stop shaking, maybe u will write better code

[grim sparrow]

it returns a string for someone else

[misty cradle]

[gaunt mesa]

false

[misty cradle]

[half walrus]

this is why interpreted languages can be nice

[grim sparrow]

I agree on that

it's so dumb

but works

[half walrus]

bc idek how i'd handle that rn

[pearl sail]

The best code is no code then no one can judge my code

[half walrus]

i guess typecheck and convert if needed

[grim sparrow]

in theory the api can now return anything, and it'll work

[half walrus]

lot nicer to just str(idfkWhatThisIs)

[grim sparrow]

yeah

but then data type errors

[half walrus]

ppl can bitch about python all they want

rest of us are actually getting stuff done

[grim sparrow]

String(result["id"]) Unknown type errors

I like Python

[half walrus]

just store it as int64_t tbh

what do the string/ints look like

[grim sparrow]

sometimes they are literally just a number

like 2543

other times it'll return

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767138622309793812/787392490449010718/unknown.png

[half walrus]

do you need the string for anything other than giving it back to the server

[grim sparrow]

Apart from filtering an array, no

[half walrus]

what lang is this

[grim sparrow]

Swift 5

[half walrus]

mmm

[grim sparrow]

don't worry about it

my way works

so I'll just use that

inb4 the homework_completed value returns "maybe" instead of a bool

[half walrus]

String(format: "%d", id)

(disclaimer; no idea if that'll function bc it's undefined behavior)

[grim sparrow]

nah

wait

I don't think

you can do that in swift

or at least

I've never seen it

[half walrus]

closest we have to str(blah) in C/swift land

[grim sparrow]

that's pretty much the same as what I'm doing

[half walrus]

tbh it's json so you should just be parsing all keys and values as strings

likely coming from node js since js likes to, fuck with numbers

[grim sparrow]

At this point everything is a string apart from the completed bools on homework

[half walrus]

wish me luck

[grim sparrow]

[half walrus]

maybe it will not be the worst™️

@tepid olive how's llvm on procursus

[pearl sail]

hackintosh?

[half walrus]

VM on a huge server that i'm renting from someone specifically for massive builds

hence the lack of any gpu listing there if u noticed

[pearl sail]

Anyone we know?

[half walrus]

yyep

[pearl sail]

[half walrus]

no lmfao

[pearl sail]

I forget you are in the states

[half walrus]

who in gods name would do anything even remotely near possibly containing sensitive info in a VM on a server nep owns

not even nep would do that

[pearl sail]

true

she is pretty paranoid

about stuff like that

[half walrus]

oh wow

it's been done for 8 minutes

didn't even consider that'd be possible enough to check

[tepid olive]

“How’s”?

It’s llvm, it’s fine i guess

[half walrus]

does it exist

which version

etc

[tepid olive]

Yeah i demo’d dragon on procursus in like april

It’s the swift 5.3.1 RELEASE tag on github

[half walrus]

which version of clang is it running

[tepid olive]

Why

[half walrus]

i know bingners is on 10 which is older

[tepid olive]

Mine is newer than bingners

[half walrus]

public release on 12.0 rn

[tepid olive]

Apple’s llvm versions are entirely artificial

[half walrus]

all version are artificial

wym

[tepid olive]

I mean that they mean literally nothing

Llvm version is set to 10 on that branch but its significantly newer than what bingner’s is

We also have an updated tapi so you can use ios 14 sdk

What exactly is the issue at hand, though?

Is this an arm64e abi question?

[half walrus]

i'm building for a ton of platforms at the moment

and along with that taking a look at adding in some convoluted form of support for a 12.0 toolchain with a flag to enable the old abi

[tepid olive]

On the swift branch old abi is already there

I don’t believe apple’s arm64e abi changes are even public

Correct me if i’m wrong

[half walrus]

no idea

i don't think anyone even knows where they'd be

lol

kabir, bingner, maybe

[tepid olive]

Yeah i believe kabir was the one who clued me into the fact they weren’t public so

That’s that

[half walrus]

time for some IDA fun then

[grim sparrow]

@half walrus Question about earlier: Theres a variable it returns called admission_number, should I also assume this can be a string

[half walrus]

i find it hard to believe they would entirely change the abi in a way that breaks it on other devices without something in xcode disabling it behind the scenes when appropriate

[half walrus]

everything is a string when you format it into one

[tepid olive]

I mean nobody was supposed to use arm64e so

[grim sparrow]

true