#development
primal perch
tepid olive
why is this so hard 
primal perch
True
lime pivot
pretty sure I got a 6-key sampler for like $15
primal perch
All of the options are mediocre
I’m not a big fan of either 3 but it beats membrane
And any good one is a lot less common and you pay more
Like zealios
lime pivot
pretty sure I got a 6-key sampler for like $15
so probably like $0.02 USD lmao
lime pivot
damn are they getting more expensive??
tepid olive
That's like paying someone to ship a car to your house to test drive
rain falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710656279089250315/785687667064045598/image0.jpg @half walrus
tepid olive
ridiculous
lime pivot
it’s like not even useful after you’ve figured out a decision, which you’d probably do in about 10 minutes
burnt niche
if i put a %new method in a class that shows a button and a %new method of the button action. it doesn't work
lime pivot
you’ll have like… one spare key you can have for your keyboard? I doubt you’d ever need it lmao
burnt niche
could anyone instruct me on how to do it properly
lime pivot
could use them for electronics projects since they’re just 2-prong switches in the end
primal perch
I remember breaking my keyboard because a switch broke then paying 10$ for 10 brown switches
Soldered it off but worth
tepid olive
hmmm ugh this is hard
I vaguely remember trying a cherry mx brown keyboard freshman year because my roommate had one
and it felt great in vim
but I am wondering if there's better options
burnt niche
@primal perch one sec computer just died
tepid olive
I saw on youtube that the clear was a stiff and hard keypress
burnt niche
My profile picture explains my mood
primal perch
Just buy from amazon and return if you hate it
tepid olive
true 😳
primal perch
I did that and ended up liking it enough
burnt niche
Amazon prime go brazy
tepid olive
I think it would be worth it to get a sampler actually
fuck it buying the sampler thanks @lime pivot
holy fuckin shit I forgot I had $500 amazon credit
fair robin
Hi, removing theos folders is a proper way to uninstall it?
lime pivot
hah
see if we weren’t living in covid times I would say just go to best buy and try the keyboards on display
lethal ice
or you could just go anyways
primal perch
Wtf
lethal ice
wear gloves 😳
primal perch
Just casually 500
tepid olive
no way am I going to best buy to touch a keyboard with covid lol
lime pivot
guess you could #merica
tepid olive
Bring back covid for the whole family
burnt niche
%new
-(void)_setupButton {
self.customButton = [UIButton buttonWithType:UIButtonTypeRoundedRect];
[self.customButton addTarget:self action:@selector(buttonClicked:) forControlEvents:UIControlEventTouchUpInside];
[self.customButton setFrame:CGRectMake(120, -50, 40, 40)];
[self.customButton setTitle:@"button" forState:UIControlStateNormal];
[self.customButton setExclusiveTouch:YES];
[self addSubview:self.customButton];
}
-(void)buttonClicked:(id)sender {
NSLog(@"pleasework");
}``` and i have added ```%property (nonatomic, retain) UIButton *customButton;``` in my hookbut I trust you have better respect for yourself than that
tepid olive
I do lol
burnt niche
button shows up but action does not work
lethal ice
see it would be smart to stay inside but ill take sanity over covid thanks
i wear mask but not gonna stay in a cage like a rat
primal perch
True
I’ll mask social distance and sanitize but for the most part I still go wherever
tepid olive
no 
burnt niche
and i also added -(void)_setupButton; -(void)buttonClicked:(id)sender; in the interface
lethal ice
shmoo can i buy something with 50 cents off ur gift card
primal perch
Shmoo can I have leo
lethal ice
ok thanks
primal perch
I’ll take good care of him
tepid olive
you can fight me for leo lol
lethal ice
i would fight you for leo if i lived in the east cost
primal perch
I’ll take him too
lethal ice
wtf
tepid olive
Hm yeah you can take milo
lethal ice
isnt milo a she
primal perch
True
burnt niche
if anyone knows what i am doing wrong that would be great
primal perch
tepid olive
Milo is a guy
lethal ice
WTF
tepid olive
You thought milo was female??
lethal ice
ive only ever seen like two pictures of milo 
burnt niche
i did that shep
tepid olive
oh true
primal perch
It’s not in your snippet
lethal ice
it's cat tax day shmoo
burnt niche
i put a %new for buttonclicked as well now
primal perch
Where do you call _setupButton
primal perch
Wtf
burnt niche
self = %orig;
[self _setupButton];
return self;
}```what song did you listen to
tepid olive
Only good when jamming on a plastic guitar
lethal ice
false
lethal ice
oh
primal perch
Wtd
lethal ice
yea thats why
primal perch
Wtf
tepid olive
the album with the joystick
lethal ice
dont
primal perch
I only listen to old muse and even then not that much
primal perch
Gm @tardy narwhal
tardy narwhal
lethal ice
true
lethal ice
shmoo their new stuff isnt that great
tepid olive
Oh
lethal ice
jules likes it but its not really my favorite
primal perch
Jules likes anime music too so
tepid olive
my top song was rock the casbah
primal perch
lethal ice
lol
burnt niche
some anime songs be hitting
tepid olive
okay
primal perch
True
primal perch
Blast a fat load on toad on the road
burnt niche
bars
primal perch
Ttue
rain falcon
lil shep spitting facts
primal perch
True
rain falcon
eternal crater
burnt niche
filtered
tepid olive
@burnt niche no slur
burnt niche
my fault did not know lmao. just trying to spit bars
rain falcon
why do women ruin everything
burnt niche
i get the money. i get the bag. fill up the mag. im playin tag. n im sellin crack.
tepid olive
Lmao
burnt niche
thats bars dont cap
rain falcon
lil jynx
burnt niche
im makin tweaks. im gonna tweak. i gotta take a leak. my booty it reeks
lethal ice
u cant rhyme tweaks with tweak homie
lethal ice
no
lime pivot
tf
burnt niche
im makin tweaks. my cock it leaks. my booty it reeks
lethal ice
there u go
burnt niche
bars or no bars
tepid olive
first msg was bars then you added something about crack and ruined it
rain falcon
f
celest glen
go spit bars
burnt niche
bruh i did
burnt niche
it got deleted
burnt niche
pull out my cock. im in the shop. im in a coupe. go around like a loop. with my homie shmoo. n my homie scoop. we makin tweaks. my door it creaks. my bed it squeeks. im gettin cheeks. gotta go take a leak. my flow so unique. my booty so steep.
tepid olive
I'd give that a 6.5/10 getting better
burnt niche
i don't wanna discuss that on here
burnt niche
yea
lethal ice
why are u bragging about flat ass
celest glen
normal people have fatties and this mf got a flatty
lethal ice
tru
tepid olive
link me a debian package to add
I wish I had as big a pair of balls as hayden to show my face
burnt niche
my booty so flat. but its so fat. i aint no rat. im gettin racks. not paying no tax. like a train on track. bob the builder. my cock is so big. that is what killed her. im gettin bricks. im doing trick. no sus. i cannot dicuss. my pimple got puss. i dont listen to russ. we aint no simps. im doin limps. on my hip its gun. shoot it for fun. i need some funds. i was just lying. im so broke. broke like a joke.
tepid olive
4/10
restive ether
https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc
@tepid olive i’m guessing it’s this
burnt niche
i think my creativeness is going down. ill end it right here and go back to working on my tweak. right after i take a leak. i aint no creep.
low flicker
Now you just need to mumble that in front of a generic trap-beat, auto tune your voice, add in some random "uh"s and "oh"s, and you'll be onto something
burnt niche
like. my booty so flat. yeaaaaaa. but its so fat. ohhh
?
good thing i make beats i might have to hop on a record tonight
go worldwide
leave a link to my soundcloud at the bottom of my preferences page. free promo
restive ether
@tardy narwhal kal themes favorite repo is pull a good old twickd, who’s gonna be the first person to upload malware
twilit jungle
Ah yes those questions are always fun.
half walrus
im focused on the bottom comment
surreal mountain
half walrus
what is it even trying to say
surreal mountain
Fuck you, Homebrew.
they have internet recovery etc
but
they still do have a recovery partition
yeha
iphones arent ready for that phase
twilit jungle
Yeah but if you have a 512 GB device, it doesn't hurt to have a 16 GB recovery parition
surreal mountain
it doesnt hurt but is it viable?
twilit jungle
Why not?
surreal mountain
i just dont think iphones should be like that
twilit jungle
Everything you can do on a laptop, supposedly can be done on iPhone so why should it be treated differently?
Its getting to the point where you can store more on an iPhone than your laptop is that not enough reason?
half walrus
Everything you can do on a laptop, supposedly can be done on iPhone so why shoul...
it’s clear apples vision for ios isn’t using the underlying operating system and features in the same way one would on desktop
twilit jungle
Thats true
half walrus
doesn’t killing it mid update cause issues
half walrus
dragon probably
wouldn’t know i would never do that kinda thing
definitely not while updating to ios 14
return to monke
half walrus
what’s wrong with it actually
lethal kayak
since when are macs portless
half walrus
how is that security related
lethal kayak
what is that comment trying to say
surreal mountain
and it wont let me run it
bc of security shit
saying the developer cant be verified or something i forget
ok thanks'
lethal kayak
also considering they're still stuck on lightning port i don't see them removing it any time in the near future
surreal mountain
bruh wireless chraging is not viable
surreal mountain
there need to be major advancements for that to be the only option
lethal kayak
i wirelessly charge my phone every night
lethal kayak
then again my house is also cum powered
restive ether
@lethal kayak kek saw an EAP video yesterday in my recommended about portless leaks next model
imagine if they do that for the pro model only
lethal kayak
<@193493980611215360> kek saw an EAP video yesterday in my recommended about por...
guess who will not be buying a new iphone
if they do that shit
half walrus
me
half walrus
cuz i can’t afford it
restive ether
that money is better spent on black tar heroin anyways
.
pearl sail
I get 600mbps when I stand next to my wifi 5 router wtf
pearl sail
Cause it is
half walrus
people on narcotics probably
lethal kayak
pearl sail
trust me all I talk about is black tar
half walrus
that sounds good
nobody picks up heroin bc it’s good
lethal kayak
true
half walrus
it’s bc every other narcotic is prescription controlled substance
surreal mountain
if i stand next to it i expect 800+
pearl sail
<@!303547048953774090> im in another room
how many devices do you have that support wifi 6
half walrus
heroin is cheap as balls in comparison, it’s why everyone gets addicted
lethal kayak
yeah
half walrus
same with meff
surreal mountain
how many devices do you have that support wifi 6
idek
i know my armbook does
thats it
lethal kayak
catch me dead before you catch me doing heroin though
pearl sail
heroin is cheap as balls in comparison, it’s why everyone gets addicted
8 ball of cocaine cost the most
that is HQ cocaine tho
half walrus
people who put coke in the same category as heroin or meth, smh
lethal kayak
my dad's hometown has a black tar problem
half walrus
nobody can afford a fuckin coke addiction
lethal kayak
you're canadian
half walrus
who calls it ‘black tar’ tho
lethal kayak
restive ether
why
pearl sail
idek
I don't have any devices that would benefit from it that is why I haven't decided to get it
lethal kayak
late ridge
lethal kayak
me and cam trying to figure out userspace reboot with libhooker be like
pearl sail
nobody can afford a fuckin coke addiction
That is truest shit I have ever heard
restive ether
the last funeral i went to my friend’s family picked up a random homeless heroin addict they met at the bar hours prior to bring him there
lethal kayak
why
restive ether
and then after we all did drugs and drank and he told us what heroin was like
lethal kayak
lmfao what
surreal mountain
can someone tell me why
tepid olive
@tardy narwhal it’ll be added
surreal mountain
W: Unable to read /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - DirectoryExists (2: No such file or directory)
apt-ftparchive
half walrus
reboot3() moment
surreal mountain
is fucking stupid
restive ether
@lethal kayak to this day i don’t know why they brought a homeless heroine addict to my friend’s mom funereal
half walrus
<@193493980611215360> to this day i don’t know why they brought a homeless heroi...
never ask why
ask why not
and then when they try to tell you why not you ignore them
restive ether
lol
half walrus
bc fuck that noise
restive ether
it was a good day all things considered
lethal kayak
crazy
restive ether
i guess you have to celebrate like that especially when she dies under odd circumstances
it be like that though
lethal kayak
surreal mountain
@tepid olive no this just completely breaks
for some reason genning my Release file with apt-ftparchive will break
half walrus
do it there then
surreal mountain
no
tepid olive
Ok it also works fine on my mac machine
surreal mountain
tepid olive
And its not because of that warning
tepid olive
If the static compiled bin i compiled works on my mac then it works on your mac
Unless its m1 in which case,, maybe not
half walrus
should still work perfectly fine tho, no?
surreal mountain
Should
half walrus
i mean if windows can do it properly
surreal mountain
im running thru rosetta
half walrus
and windows is windows
surreal mountain
i run iterm thru rosetta anyways
tepid olive
That literally could not matter less
half walrus
I think it's finally viable for me to bring up again
tepid olive
Itll just come with procursus mac
half walrus
now would be a great time for people, especially those who maintain bootstraps, to consider moving towards a macos styled way of doing things
tepid olive
Not zip
half walrus
not zip
pearl sail
wait procursus mac is becoming a thing!?!
half walrus
talking about things like the python install structure
pearl sail
fuck yeah
tepid olive
wait procursus mac is becoming a thing!?!
Yeah its on a branch that im not touching
tepid olive
talking about things like the python install structure
Likely
half walrus
mood
pearl sail
surreal mountain
half walrus
Likely
bc if a full bootstrap is able to move to it, then """""theoretically""""" you could just drag and drop stuff from arm macos onto your phone
tepid olive
Regardless of what macos uses we cant put shit in usr lib there
On ios we just use usr lib
Because theres not already a full suite
I will say the macos bootstrap for dpkg is gonna be so insanely small itll be great
Especially compared to brew
surreal mountain
wanna see a nice screenshot
restive ether
me watching brew update for four minutes just to remove two formulas
tepid olive
Brew is the worst of the worst in every way
surreal mountain
i think its cuz it went to sleep tho
tepid olive
Their documentation is soooo shitty too
tepid olive
I tried to do a complex formula a while ago and NONE of their fun little options are documented
Fucking asses
half walrus
something something theos
tepid olive
At least theres an organized community of people who know whats happening with theos
half walrus
very true
tepid olive
Homebrews a buncha dudes in the wild west fending for themselves
And some asshole maintainers
half walrus
macports is to dragon what brew is to theos
burnt niche
No relation
half walrus
faster and much better but lacks the mature community and maintenance of the other
restive ether
macapt macapt
tepid olive
Macports really does lack the community sadly
half walrus
someone bout to come in here and tell us all about the wonders of pacman on macos
tepid olive
someone bout to come in here and tell us all about the wonders of pacman on maco...
I did pacman on macos and promptly deleted the git repo
This was a while ago
half walrus
Macports really does lack the community sadly
why supporting your competitors system is a must
dragon would be a lot less useful for me if the theos builder weren't fairly good
half walrus
but still written in make
primal perch
it's 2060, the theos megacorporation controls most world governments
restive ether
it’s 2030, for some reason everyone uses gcc instead
surreal mountain
@half walrus should i update dragon installer to support m1?
surreal mountain
arm
half walrus
ah yes
half walrus
let me recompile it for arm real fast
surreal mountain
what
wym recompile
just add another flag
might have to hardcode chips
Darwin atmos.local 20.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 20.1.0: Sat Oct 31 00:07:10 PDT 2020; root:xnu-7195.50.7~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 x86_64
thats my uname -a
lethal kayak
has anyone done a direct comparison of gcc and clang
like compiling the same things
half walrus
thats my `uname -a`
on what machine
half walrus
has anyone done a direct comparison of gcc and clang
llvm is faster
lethal kayak
yeah
restive ether
has anyone done a direct comparison of gcc and clang
always wondered this
lethal kayak
RELEASE_ARM64_T8101
surreal mountain
might have to hardcode chips
.
Darwin atmos.local 20.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 20.1.0: Sat Oct 31 00:07:10 PDT 2020; root:xnu-7195.50.7~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64
thats without rosetta
lethal kayak
can't you just pull the cpid
lethal kayak
yeah
half walrus
bc it needs to support literally every platform possible
lethal kayak
oh
tbh i dont even know what you're trying to do
lol
thought you were just trying to identify processor
half walrus
@surreal mountain if you want to add M1 support then just remove iOS
half walrus
the installer doesn't support ios
half walrus
I made a cydia package that installs it properly
half walrus
just run a check for mobile user to ensure it's not being ran on ios
lethal kayak
me making a macos user called mobile
half walrus
if [ "${USER}" == "mobile" ]; then
do that in the main file for on-device install support
always reasoned that if someone named their user mobile i'm considering it an unsupported edge case
could check GID but it's overkill
surreal mountain
mine errored
i was like
the fuck
lucky u waited cuz i fucked it up the first time
manic forum
unrelated but does anyone here do adventofcode? the next day will be released in 21 minutes
surreal mountain
love how it's been implemented in 3 different languages now
one of which is public
half walrus
py one isn't stable enough to push in any preliminary way
surreal mountain
true
surreal mountain
ive learned a lot about python recently
looked at old api code
realized how much i didnt know about my own code
i didnt know what half of it did bruh
surreal mountain
lol
half walrus
i didn't write it but
surreal mountain
im trying to write a superspeed packager in python
to extract, add depiction data to control and repack debs
half walrus
1 sec
surreal mountain
im at about 0.05s per deb
half walrus
how are you doing it rn
surreal mountain
rn i use dpkg-deb --raw-extract then load the control file with pyyaml, add data and dump it then dpkg-deb -b
you arent doing nearly the same thing
half walrus
why are you repacking if all you're adding is depiction data
surreal mountain
experimental is using ar and tarfile to edit control and not even unpacking data.tar.gz
i cant edit control without unpacking the deb
so
half walrus
why do you need to
gaunt mesa
gm
half walrus
you don't need to touch the deb whatsoever??
surreal mountain
apparently package managers will break
half walrus
edit it in the Packages file
gaunt mesa
you don't need to touch the deb whatsoever??
no
half walrus
that was a statement
half walrus
just said in a questioning tone
gaunt mesa
a. if someone removes the repo it should keep the depictions
b. i forget
all main repos do this for a reason krit
surreal mountain
gig gle
surreal mountain
true
gaunt mesa
also no way it takes less than a second @grave sparrow
half walrus
for filename in os.listdir('./iphoneos'):
if filename.endswith(".deb"):
control = tar.open(fileobj=ar.open('./iphoneos/' + filename).open('control.tar.gz')).extractfile(
'./control').read()
dpkg-deb is slow as fuck
half walrus
just use that^
gaunt mesa
i have my own bash implementation
half walrus
what i used for an experimental project
surreal mountain
does that even work???????????????/
half walrus
yes
half walrus
that's how you read it
half walrus
i think there's some .write() function or whatever but have no idea
surreal mountain
@grave sparrow are you writing to the control file??????????????????????/
gaunt mesa
oh wait, i forgot python doesn't wait for the system cmd to finish
half walrus
if you want an absurdly fast implementation write it in C and extract it yourself
surreal mountain
@half walrus true
half walrus
humans write slower asm than llvm
surreal mountain
bro its not like everyone said that before u
gaunt mesa
so does python wait for os calls to finish?
surreal mountain
surreal mountain
so does python wait for os calls to finish?
depends what u use
gaunt mesa
os.system or whatever the fuck
surreal mountain
but os.system doesnt i dont think
gaunt mesa
so that means ur code won't work quiprr?
half walrus
use my system() replacement
gaunt mesa
dpkg-deb definetely takes more than a second last i checked
if its taking less than a second its editing control files that aren't even extracted yet
gaunt mesa
yeah well that's called stupid
surreal mountain
using dpkg-deb to do it
then what are you doing
thats what i mean
you made a py script
to literally
reinvent the wheel
half walrus
SystemCall = namedtuple('SystemCall', ['code', 'stdout', 'stderr'])
def system(cmd, stdout=subprocess.PIPE, stderr=subprocess.PIPE):
proc = subprocess.Popen("" + cmd,
stdout=stdout,
stderr=stderr,
shell=True,
universal_newlines=True)
std_out, std_err = proc.communicate()
if proc.returncode != 0 and len(std_err) > 0:
print(f'Error while executing `{cmd}`: {std_err}', file=sys.stderr)
print(std_out)
return SystemCall(proc.returncode, std_out, std_err)
C system() replacement in python
gaunt mesa
namedtuple
gaunt mesa
i need to continue learning python
half walrus
and get a string that contains stdout
gaunt mesa
i still don't understand how python would execute the EXACT SAME COMMAND faster than bash would
like my head just cannot fathom that
half walrus
well
pearl sail
python go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
surreal mountain
running a shell command
gaunt mesa
then how is ur python impl faster than my pure bash one?
surreal mountain
from python
half walrus
that isnt physically possible
not true though
surreal mountain
cannot be faster than not running it thru python
half walrus
that's entirely untrue
surreal mountain
thats just overhead
gaunt mesa
my bash one takes about 6 seconds cuz of dpkg-deb being slow as fuck
surreal mountain
that's entirely untrue
how?
gaunt mesa
and ur saying ur python takes less than a second to do all of that and edit control files
makes no sense
surreal mountain
it isnt editing
half walrus
job scheduling, thread mgmt, and other things can be implemented
surreal mountain
hes just building Packages
gaunt mesa
less than a second my ass
half walrus
that's why ninja works faster than gnu make 4
pearl sail
bashtop is slower than bpytop
half walrus
otherwise it'd be even faster to just generate a bash file
gaunt mesa
okay that makes sense
but in the context of this specific thing
how does quiprr's dpkg-deb commands take like 0.05seconds and mine directly from bash take like 3-4
that's a huge difference
surreal mountain
hold on
half walrus
but anyways, don't use system("dpkg" to extract and rebuild something if you're going for anything close to speed
surreal mountain
my apt-ftparchive is broken
half walrus
tarfile and unix-ar aren't that hard to figure out
surreal mountain
oh god
media proxy?
dead?
nvm
if i took out extra shit it owuld be faster too
gaunt mesa
how the fuck 0.05 seconds
i will use ar and tar on bash and somehow it'll still be slower
half walrus
yeah i don't think that 0.05 is accurate
pearl sail
surreal mountain
how cna that not be accurate
gaunt mesa
so
half walrus
doesn't change it
gaunt mesa
@surreal mountain are u using ar and tarfile?
surreal mountain
no
half walrus
no i just gave him the code to do that
half walrus
^
gaunt mesa
cap
gaunt mesa
no
surreal mountain
takes another .1 seconds to gen packages and release
surreal mountain
keep in mind dpkg-deb slows the fuck down on stuff like apps
Grapher takes around 5 seconds
per deb
and i have two
half walrus
so you wrote a packager that extracts, writes a file, and recompresses, all in 0.05 seconds
but we aren't allowed to see it
gaunt mesa
^
gaunt mesa
@half walrus okay so my 13kb deb does it in about 1.2 seconds
and that's mostly cuz of dpkg-deb
this is the pure bash tho
on pure bash*
half walrus
does os.system wait for the command to finish
gaunt mesa
i don't think it does
surreal mountain
no idea
gaunt mesa
no way
half walrus
bc
gaunt mesa
how are u timing this
half walrus
dpkg takes 3x longer to do nothing and fail than ur program apparently takes
surreal mountain
how are u timing this
look at ur code
my*
code
before it extracts, it sets pkgStartTime
half walrus
alright it seems feasible
surreal mountain
its literally on my github
surreal mountain
@half walrus ur rcode dont even work wtf
half walrus
wdym
surreal mountain
ar doesnt have open
half walrus
what are u using quip
surreal mountain
still no
pearl sail
@gaunt mesa It is ok Ren at least you didn't but a 2019 15in MBP
gaunt mesa
dpkg-deb -b takes so fucking long
pearl sail
yeah at least you aren't like me tho M1X coming out in like 8 months so yeah
gaunt mesa
my debs are xz for some reason
dpkg-deb -b builds it as .xz
surreal mountain
true
half walrus
dragon uses dpkg-deb --build -Zgzip -z9 .dragon/_ .dragon/packages/
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ok it took 11 seconds to do a 70mb deb file
half walrus
compression time didn't affect speed much
pearl sail
surreal mountain
@half walrus does that code do what i want
half walrus
good now rewrite it in a real language
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faster than ts-node and laziness
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¯_(ツ)_/¯
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good now rewrite it in a real language
too bad
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that's cuz i stole some dude's recursive readdir
pearl sail
rewrite it in js /s
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cuz i was too lazy to write my own
and the only reason i used typescript was cuz i needed something fast and i was lazy
pearl sail
All I hear from devs is that js needs to die already
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it doesn't
surreal mountain
false
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the people that say that are the people that need to shut the fuck up
surreal mountain
@grave sparrow shut the fuck up
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js powers pretty much all of the web
surreal mountain
js powers a lot
surreal mountain
@grave sparrow 
surreal mountain
i dont think the person with the absolute shittiest site out of us 3 can talk about web shit
sorry i said it
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js is fine
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ui is the only thing people actually care about
no one cares if ur website loads in -2 nanoseconds
if it has shit ui
surreal mountain
@grave sparrow
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then mind ur own business and stop saying js needs to die
it's not hard to not give a fuck
surreal mountain
TRUE
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krit i can't type in it
half walrus
and when that exists and is on my website then i don't think its fair to be complaining about any other language
half walrus
because the browser only understands js
which becomes assembly
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half walrus
because the cpu only understands assembly
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which becomes binary
pearl sail
When will go be in web browsers?
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when will dart be exterminated off this planet
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doesn't that slow down loading time tho?
half walrus
almost 0 overhead which I didn't expect
half walrus
you'd think it would but that's only in the context of massive web apps
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that's actually interesting that there isn't much overhead
half walrus
browsers are insanely powerful engines, machines now are insanely powerful, internet is fast as fuck
people are just used to associating JS with slow load times because of massive library import overhead
when each website is downloading 10MB of javascript dependencies to implement basic features
bc good frontend is dead
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and outdated crap ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pearl sail
Well js does out of way to be very friendly that some people argue that it impedes itself
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apparently react 16 really cut down on a lot of shit
17*
ok
discord is the shittest app in existence
it somehow manages to be fat and still have so many issues
i never said everything was perfect
half walrus
thats how i can tell yall dont use slack
half walrus
what i love is
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kek
@grave sparrow wanna know something else that's stupid?
if discord ran an interactive dependency upgrade on their node_modules then i can guarantee u discord would be wayyyyyyy faster
these people just never update their node_modules
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it's not viable to update tho
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meanwhile VSCode runs on electron and works better than native apps
ah if only that were true for my terminal
vscode is fine but it takes 10 years to load my term
half walrus
writing it natively doesn't fix crap code
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and its not due to zsh
half walrus
vscode is an example of doing it right
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the vscode term thing is like one of the main reasons why i have switched to vim
half walrus
had no problems with mine
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and the fact that i can't afford to pay for nova every year
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vscode recommended the other renderer for mine
half walrus
cat a big file in the vscode term and the whole app dies iirc
half walrus
why is com.apple.RawCamera loaded in Weather.app
half walrus
imagine how much thinner SpringBoard would be if it didn't include all of the description and debug logic
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yeah true
half walrus
guess at some point for companies the logistics required to strip debugging stuff out has minimal benifit
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well u see here
squirrel automatically deletes build logs when marked as a production build
half walrus
has discord ever released anything that would qualify as 'production ready' tho
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before 2018 yeah
when they barely ever had downtime
now it feels like something breaks every other day
half walrus
@twilit jungle do you happen to know proc i need to hook for widgets
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gonna have to give discord credit for their API
that's written very well and has a robust system
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the mobile app is the worst for me
cuz sometimes it just glitches out and starts doing stuff without me touching my screen
half walrus
you don't feel the inefficiencies on desktop unless you're running the x86 on arm version
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the app is fine just wish it did a few things differently
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you don't feel the inefficiencies on desktop unless you're running the x86 on ar...
rosetta 2 runs a lot of things faster than native x86 tho
half walrus
referring to windows
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twilit jungle
proc?
half walrus
process
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i wish discord's stupid window was actually properly resizable on mac
half walrus
are Widgets running in springboard
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rosetta does it before the app starts
so what does rosetta cache a transpiled binary or sm?
twilit jungle
Nah
half walrus
figured yeah
twilit jungle
Each widget gets its own process
half walrus
neato
restive ether
the mobile app is the worst for me
just appreciate its better now than it used to be
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true
twilit jungle
Well they used to pre iOS 14
I am sure they figured out a way to make it part of the app with iOS 14
restive ether
remember like a year and a half ago when it would kill your battery in like two hours
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remember like a year and a half ago when it would kill your battery in like two ...
remember when 2 years ago discord never had downtime ever?
those were the days
half walrus
I am sure they figured out a way to make it part of the app with iOS 14
yknow I'll test that
restive ether
it hasn’t been too bad in any of the servers i’m in the last like month or so
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no one ever needed to check the status page back in the day
restive ether
i think most of the issues are US-east based
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u know its bad when people already know to just check the status page and have the URL memorized tho
like yikes
twilit jungle
The reason I say that is because widgets are now 2 things: rendering and business logic.
The rendering side (swift stuff) is run in SpringBoard
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business logic?
twilit jungle
business logic is either app or separate process
half walrus
the stuff that controls what the swift is gonna display
twilit jungle
Yeah
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curious as to why its called business logic
half walrus
old phrase
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ah
restive ether
boomer phrase
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yeah i get what u mean
half walrus
all undocumented so we call it what we want 
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don't widgets have some sort of restraint that prevents the view from refreshing often
twilit jungle
Yeah, I mean I can't think of any other term for it.
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like its 5 minutes minimum right?
half walrus
"backend" and "frontend" i guess
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"backend" and "frontend" i guess
gen z terms ofc
twilit jungle
ig
twilit jungle
don't widgets have some sort of restraint that prevents the view from refreshing...
No there is no such thing
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i remember the tunetrack dev talking about how the song data on his widget could only update every 5 minutes