development

[magic hazel]

I used it for about 6 months so it's not my most skilled language

But I have used it a decent bit

[slim bramble]

[array map:^(id obj) { return obj.name } ];

Doesn't change much

[magic hazel]

Ehhhhhhh

[slim bramble]

This is probably not syntactically correct but you get the idea

[magic hazel]

i guess

shorter syntax would be really nice tho

[slim bramble]

Any more ideas ?

[grim sparrow]

Europeans trying to write code without syntax highlighting late at night is so much fun

[magic hazel]

objc methods are so long

[slim bramble]

fr

[magic hazel]

lmaooo

[slim bramble]

clangd my goat

[orchid fulcrum]

wdym ?

[magic hazel]

[array enumerateObjectsUsingBlock:^(id obj, NSUInteger idx, BOOL *stop) { ... }];

[grim sparrow]

I’m on day 3 of dopamax I forgot my own name this morning

[magic hazel]

The amount of times you repeat yourself in Objective-C methods is crazy

Lemme find some really funny ones

[slim bramble]

I mean swift is close to worse ngl

[magic hazel]

how 💀

UILabel *label = [[UILabel alloc] initWithFrame:CGRectMake(0, 0, 200, 50)];
label.text = @"Hello world";
label.textColor = [UIColor blackColor];
label.textAlignment = NSTextAlignmentCenter;
[self.view addSubview:label];

vs

let label = UILabel(frame: .init(x: 0, y: 0, width: 200, height: 50))
label.text = "Hello world"
label.textColor = .black
label.textAlignment = .center
view.addSubview(label)

no need to say uilabel twice, no need to say uicolor twice, or color 3 times, no need to say textalignment twice

[slim bramble]

It's the same

you're arguing over nothing

😭

[magic hazel]

"textcolor -> uicolor -> blackcolor" vs "textcolor -> black"

[grim sparrow]

The problem I have is I frequently use these APIs in both and will mix them up

And then have to spend time correcting it

[slim bramble]

I just don't write swift

saves me from this

[orchid fulcrum]

__auto_type to remove first UILabel, you can shorten it to BLACK with a macro in objc too

[slim bramble]

👍

[slim bramble]

that too

[magic hazel]

and yes i know it's the same thing under the hood but how much more sense does it make to say "i want my textcolor to be black" than "i want my textcolor to be a uicolor that is a black color"

[grim sparrow]

Unfortunately if you want a job writing apps you usually need Swift

[slim bramble]

🤫

[grim sparrow]

Iirc the split on the App Store now is 92 / 8 for primarily Swift

And I enjoy being employed

[magic hazel]

oh this ones a particularly bad one

[button addTarget:self action:@selector(buttonTapped:) forControlEvents:UIControlEventTouchUpInside];

[slim bramble]

Notice how apps started being exponentially worse ever since

[grim sparrow]

I don’t think this is the reason

[slim bramble]

probably, still funny

[grim sparrow]

A lot of things have happened

[orchid fulcrum]

label.textColor = .black
how tf does compiler know this ? first looking at lhs to get the type and then looking at its type properties on the rhs ?

[magic hazel]

textcolor is a uicolor

[grim sparrow]

SwiftUI is definitely a reason things got worse

[slim bramble]

yes

[magic hazel]

the compiler knows this

[slim bramble]

swiftui is garbage

[grim sparrow]

I despise SwiftUI despite loving Swift, SwiftUI was such a mistake

[magic hazel]

ngl im starting to bend the same way

i really like uikit

having code inline and having so much control over everything is actually quite nice

despite requiring like 5x much boilerplate

[orchid fulcrum]

mine is opposite lmao, despise swift but like swiftui. i will port it to objc by cursed dlsym and macro magic one day

[slim bramble]

SwiftUI is slow, makes your code look like trash and is just weird in general

[magic hazel]

look like trash?

what

[grim sparrow]

Flutter and RN have gained a lot of popularity, not helping the shitiffication of apps

[slim bramble]

You're always indenting

[native dune]

Flutter is so bad

[magic hazel]

i mean you can always seperate out to smaller views but i guess

[slim bramble]

I mean it does what it's supposed to, but it's also harder for small companies to maintain both iOS and android apps

[magic hazel]

looking bad is not a criticism i'd take of swiftui but ig i can see it

[grim sparrow]

I don’t like not having as much as control

[magic hazel]

^

this is the big one for me

and not having inline code

being able to have my logic and ui in the same place

so nice

[grim sparrow]

I guess, but it shows a lack of care a lot of the time

[slim bramble]

And also the thing I despise with ShitUI is the compiler failed to type check this expression

or so

[grim sparrow]

Oh you can fix this

But yes it’s garbage

[slim bramble]

by not using ShitUI, yes

[magic hazel]

i feel like swiftui has a lot of potential though

[orchid fulcrum]

fair, i don't do work-grade ui and swiftui is so much faster to do prototypes in

[magic hazel]

thats also true

[grim sparrow]

There’s a build option for how long the compiler thinks is too long

[slim bramble]

for being completely re-engineered yeah

[magic hazel]

i wouldn't say that but sure

[grim sparrow]

Yeah that’s true. I’m on the “I work on systems that require 0 latency and perfect layout on every system” kinda job

[orchid fulcrum]

does it help tho ? most of the time when swift hits me with this bs error i was doing something completely wrong and it failed to tell me

[grim sparrow]

It can tell you where the error is a

But expect to sit there for a long time to find out

[slim bramble]

time is money 🤷‍♂️ and most of the time people have the latest device so it doesn't really matter, and then their battery starts to worsen, so they just blame the OS for it

[grim sparrow]

I tend to just comment stuff out

[grim sparrow]

you’d be surprised actually

[wooden yarrow]

why on earth does it even happen though

ive never seen a error like it on any other language

[slim bramble]

because shitui is garbage

[grim sparrow]

because the compiler gets stuck in a recursion loop

[magic hazel]

lmao

[magic hazel]

i was about to say

[grim sparrow]

it happens in non SwiftUI code too

[wooden yarrow]

what the

[slim bramble]

never happened to me

[grim sparrow]

It’s a your code is truly sucky problem

[magic hazel]

couldnt that happen in any language

yeah

[grim sparrow]

you write objc

[slim bramble]

I wrote swift

[grim sparrow]

how much though

[slim bramble]

thank god, that era is over

[orchid fulcrum]

nah clang is actually working

[grim sparrow]

FWIW I only experienced this on a really old machine

[wooden yarrow]

shouldn't the compiler be able to detect a recursion loop though?

[slim bramble]

Not much, but still a bit

I still made a lot of peardb

[grim sparrow]

It has a hard time out that it hits on older machines easier

on newer machines it can sorta figure out what’s going on

[magic hazel]

oh one thing i deeply still cannot get over and thank god i made a library for myself for this is how truly terrible buttons are in uikit like why on earth is it STILL using selectors

[grim sparrow]

idk how to explain it well rn im so tired

if you have a powerful machine you can generally avoid it

[magic hazel]

i actually had this for the first time yesterday

[grim sparrow]

Maybe it’s apples way of forcing you to buy a better machine

[magic hazel]

cooked

[orchid fulcrum]

thats what makes them good bro 😭

[slim bramble]

I mean the chip is powerful enough to handle nonsense

[magic hazel]

it makes them piss poor

your methods are FORCED to be objc

[wooden yarrow]

idk i've had it on m1 pro but might be because the view was too large or something

[grim sparrow]

Broskie has not read the docs in 6 years

[magic hazel]

UIAction is iOS 14+

[grim sparrow]

Yeah

iOS 14

that’s a long time ago

And well below the average target for 99.9% of apps

[orchid fulcrum]

ah you are talking about uikit/swift combo, fair i can see the issue now.

[grim sparrow]

Dude you cannot be complaining about stuff being added in iOS 14

you’re targeting iOS 7 you’re fucking deluded

[slim bramble]

fr

[magic hazel]

It should have been changed with swift

[harsh junco]

ios 14 was goated in terms of new api

[magic hazel]

It doesn't fit swift patterns

It shouldn't have taken that long

[grim sparrow]

They were busy with other stuff

[magic hazel]

But yes that's true

I am targeting a diabolically old OS

Also it's iOS 6 not 7

Even worse

[grim sparrow]

UIKit had some other significant changes before we decided “hmm let’s change how we invoke button actions”

Such as, idk, dark mode?

that’s a huge engineering effort for the ui team

button actions were not high on the list

[magic hazel]

It was? I thought that UIKit was designed such that stuff like that could be fairly easily swapped out

[grim sparrow]

As an end user what would you prefer, UIAction or dark mode

and be fr

[wooden yarrow]

ohh no ok i think it's moreso that there's an exponentially large set of type combinations the compiler could try to be able to make the view valid

[magic hazel]

grr

[wooden yarrow]

surely then it should be possible to give type hints to the compilers atleast?

[grim sparrow]

It was actually a huge change under the hood

[magic hazel]

ngl tho iOS 13 was too late

so so late

iOS 13 completely changed iOS tho

Basically Modern iOS 1.0

[slim bramble]

Missed the thing, what changed with UIAction

[grim sparrow]

UIAction lets you use closures instead of selectors

[slim bramble]

oh

[grim sparrow]

that’s about it

[magic hazel]

yes

lucky its pretty easy to implement yourself

[grim sparrow]

so you see what I mean when I say it’s a really insignificant change

[slim bramble]

Ah yes, I love asking for Objective C

[grim sparrow]

UIMenu is pretty neat

[magic hazel]

UIMenu...

[slim bramble]

I mean it's also faster

[magic hazel]

Is UIMenu useful

[grim sparrow]

barely

[grim sparrow]

yes

[magic hazel]

hmmm

How useful

[grim sparrow]

Like

Uhh

[magic hazel]

grr i see selectors

[slim bramble]

It doesn't have to go through that dispatch thing, it's just a straight function call

[grim sparrow]

Say you press a UIBarButton and it brings up a pop up that shows 3 buttons

[magic hazel]

mm

[grim sparrow]

And you press one and then 3 more options pop up

[magic hazel]

mm

[grim sparrow]

That’s a UIMenu

[magic hazel]

doesn't apple warn you against that

[grim sparrow]

no?

[torn oriole]

Nerds

[magic hazel]

i swear ive seen stuff saying you really shouldn't nest menus like that

idk

[slim bramble]

Just come here with the shitui hate

[grim sparrow]

As long as you use UIMenu they don’t care

[slim bramble]

👍

[magic hazel]

hmmm

perchance could backport if i see use

ill add it to the list

[grim sparrow]

Hey you were arguing 10 minutes ago that objc dispatch calls aren’t that bad

Pick a side 🔫

[slim bramble]

I never said that

[torn oriole]

Me adding five million otherwise unused uimenus that only spawn on rootfs's device

[grim sparrow]

I prefer to use UIAction these days but at the same time it’s such a minor change

[slim bramble]

It's really not that hard

[grim sparrow]

And on minor devices we’re truly talking nano seconds of differences

[magic hazel]

oof relies on an iOS 7+ type

[magic hazel]

i know

i've already backported a lot of modern uikit which makes me mad apple didnt do it its a whole speal

that i wont go into

[slim bramble]

Just run class_getMethod then method_getImplementation

dusted and done

[grim sparrow]

Objc vs Swift speed difference was huge back in iOS 6/7 when it was first introduced but nowadays it’s kinda negligible

[magic hazel]

ngl it's negligible on iOS 6 w swift 5.10

[slim bramble]

How did you run your tests ?

[magic hazel]

with pain

debugging iOS 6 is not fun

basically have to log to a file and do all debugging on device

[slim bramble]

debugging swift is not fun

[magic hazel]

debugging swift is fun

debugging iOS 6 in modern xcode is not

[slim bramble]

you're mentally special

[harsh junco]

debugging swift is not fun +1

[grim sparrow]

no shit

[magic hazel]

perchance

[magic hazel]

indeed

[grim sparrow]

it’s almost like modern Xcode is designed to target iOS 13+

[magic hazel]

however debugging iOS 7 in modern xcode is great

[slim bramble]

fr

[magic hazel]

since apple didn't place any artificial limits on it

[slim bramble]

I think you're probably better jailbreaking, running debugserver and connecting through llvm16

[grim sparrow]

just because you can doesn’t mean you should

[magic hazel]

why do that when i can press play and see it work natively?

lol

[slim bramble]

You're prolly using llvm5 or so

[magic hazel]

i'm using whatever xcode 13 gives me

[slim bramble]

Swift support is kinda good

[grim sparrow]

@slim bramble debuting Swift only sucks in release mode because symbols get compiled out. If youre debugging just use debug mode like you would in any other language that uses heavy optimisation and static dispatch

objc is just special

[slim bramble]

Oh yeah, I only reverse production builds (go wonder why )

[magic hazel]

ngl the funny bit is the only part of swift that's hard to debug is the objc calls

[grim sparrow]

????

[magic hazel]

"unrecognised selector" will be the bane of my existence

[grim sparrow]

they’re the easiest

[slim bramble]

????

What is bro rambling about

[grim sparrow]

debugging optimised code sucks because it becomes super hard to match the assembly to your code

[slim bramble]

objc is like super easy to debug

😭

[grim sparrow]

because well, you don’t think like a computer. A computer can see hundreds of ways to optimise your code

[magic hazel]

try hunting down a single ".systemBlue" call that won't work on iOS 6 because it's iOS 7+ when all you have to work with is that single line

from a debug log

[grim sparrow]

You know how Apple don’t officially support this

And then you do it

And then complain it sucks

[magic hazel]

i mean you'd get the same error if you used an ios 14 method on ios 13

[grim sparrow]

Does that not make you think that they don’t support it for a reason

[magic hazel]

no it makes me think they did bad and i need to fix

./hj

[slim bramble]

be jwi
see unrecognized selector sent to instance
say debugging objc is hard

[magic hazel]

ngl tho overall its been pretty smooth

really after i did the backporting of foundation and uikit the rest kinda just came pretty freely

constraints are a godsend

i shudder for those developing uikit apps for ios 5-

[grim sparrow]

So, nobody

Like

Not a soul

[magic hazel]

untrue

hell theres someone making a dc client for iOS 3 currently

lmao

think i'm targeting a dead platform

[grim sparrow]

Yall are both targeting a dead platform

[slim bramble]

(he's using objc)

[magic hazel]

ehhh

iOS 6 isn't that dead

[grim sparrow]

It’s something you’ll get a 1000 updoots with and maybe 3 downloads

[slim bramble]

How many people daily iOS 6?

[magic hazel]

bluetweety has 3000 active users on ios 6

[slim bramble]

keyword is daily

[magic hazel]

yes

daily

lol

[slim bramble]

🤨

[magic hazel]

3000 daily active users

y'all underestimate iOS 6 usage

ppl are heavily nostalgic for it

[slim bramble]

I mean

[grim sparrow]

This man will not believe how many I get on modern os

[magic hazel]

here's the thing tho

what percent of modern iOS users can you capture

[slim bramble]

That's 0.000038% of worlds population

[magic hazel]

yes yes it's small but it's big enough that it's worth doing for me

plus it's barely any extra effort

my app basically reads like a modern uikit app

[slim bramble]

but then who's going to use swift

😭

[magic hazel]

pardon?

[grim sparrow]

Unfortunately I cannot share the numbers but it’s probably a lot more than you think

[slim bramble]

🙄

[grim sparrow]

I was genuinely shocked when I learnt

[magic hazel]

indirectly i guess anyone who uses my client directly ive had about 20 or so ppl dm me about it so far

[slim bramble]

Use it or just dm you ?

[magic hazel]

use it

dm me to help them setup

which imo is not bad

ngl tho ive made setup so easy atp idek why they dm for setup

gotta remember where the baseline for legacy development is, prior to this you were stuck with Xcode 4, legacy macOS and the iOS 6/7 SDK

[grim sparrow]

Do you ever feel like you’re cheating on that nostalgia factor by using modern dev tools

Why not do it how Steve intended

[magic hazel]

not in the slightest

[torn oriole]

2006 MacBook running snow leopard

[grim sparrow]

Exactly

[slim bramble]

Ngl, I should stop using a compiler and compile by hand

[magic hazel]

it feels great to be using a language i backported myself on a dead platform running a codebase that could almost be modern

[grim sparrow]

I need a macOS weed tweak

[magic hazel]

real as fuck

[grim sparrow]

You’re not targeting a version of iOS older than half the population of the server calm down

[torn oriole]

They should host a wwdc on April 1st one day

And troll the hell out of people by announcing macOS weed finally

[magic hazel]

using sdk overlays i built for myself as well being able to control how they work

very fun

[torn oriole]

And then double back and announce the real version

[slim bramble]

half ??? you mean 99%

[magic hazel]

its the most fun ive ever had developing

so much control over everything without it being a pain to work with

(minus objc unrecognised selector)

[gentle grove]

rootfs is the type of guy to not believe in the law of universal gravitation

[magic hazel]

LMAO

GMm/r^2 fr

[slim bramble]

(I'm currently studying that rn)

[torn oriole]

No no, it's that and he believes he can bypass it in some regard because he's French

[slim bramble]

got an exam in 2weeks

[magic hazel]

y'all in highschool?

[slim bramble]

no

[magic hazel]

wut

[slim bramble]

college/uni exists

idk

[magic hazel]

i did that in year 12

[slim bramble]

doesn't mean you don't do it later to ?

[gentle grove]

fr

[magic hazel]

no

in uni we moved onto harder topics

it's assumed knowledge

lol

[gentle grove]

in HS we could only do regular physics but I had to take real "physics for scientists" last year

which is more rigorous

[slim bramble]

Yeah but you might have question on it too ???

[gentle grove]

so it came back up again

[slim bramble]

How old are you even ?

[magic hazel]

17

i accelerated 3 years of school

[slim bramble]

skipped 3 years ?

[gentle grove]

schooling isn't exactly linear so you'll have the same topics come up and get re-studied in future courses

[magic hazel]

No

[slim bramble]

fr

Fym no

😭

[magic hazel]

Did 4 years in 1

[slim bramble]

oh

[gentle grove]

4 years in 1 just wait to be studying physics in 12th grade

[magic hazel]

year 7-10 was just timewaste

i had already done the year 11 coursework

[slim bramble]

So what do you study now ? compiler optimization ?

[magic hazel]

top research degree and advanced computing with some full ride scholarship at ANU

rn we're doing funni C shenanigans

kinda annoying but oh well

[magic hazel]

not yet

[wheat grotto]

gm chat

[slim bramble]

gn

[magic hazel]

Gm

[wheat grotto]

ngl this is true

[slim bramble]

Fr

[wheat grotto]

oh this is development

can someone develop an emmc reader inside my p.o. box

[slim bramble]

Fr

[light owl]

@native dune Is it working

[native dune]

Are you working

[light owl]

Im about to blow my shi smoove off bro

[native dune]

same

[kind herald]

Im about to blow my shi smoove off bro

[light owl]

Shut up maxine

[kind herald]

Sorry

[granite frigate]

how do i insert a rpath load command into my binary? is there a CLI tool for this that i can refer to

[harsh junco]

install_name_tool -add_rpath … bin ?

[slim bramble]

^

[orchid fulcrum]

member role in hack different before developer role here is crazy ngl 😐

[rocky oriole]

you have to apply for developer role

it isnt just given

[orchid fulcrum]

i got rejected 😭

[rocky oriole]

skill issue

(im not even a developer in the first place)

[timid furnace]

any rando can get Member role

[orchid fulcrum]

really 💀 i thought it was special

[timid furnace]

it's not

it's just "do you talk"

[orchid fulcrum]

fair mb

[wooden yarrow]

the only thing it allows is people to talk in the checkra1n channel anyways

[timid furnace]

not really

photography, etc

[wooden yarrow]

wtf

did they restrict more ⁉️

[magic hazel]

Photography?

What’s that

[timid furnace]

photography was always restricted

anyways this is off topic

[magic hazel]

Is that hidden even from developer?

[rocky oriole]

photography channel in HD server

[timid furnace]

[timid furnace]

#genius-bar-backroom

[magic hazel]

lmao

No access crazy

[magic hazel]

What’s that

[rocky oriole]

hack different server

[magic hazel]

Ah alr

[frank fossil]

If you do and post mind blowing stuff you get developer role, good luck

[orchid fulcrum]

yall are a tough crowd https://github.com/doraorak/hookInstance this in and of itself deserves it :/

[floral notch]

Cool project but if the goal is for this to be standardized and used by many tweaks by different developers within the same process, you cannot simply call class_replaceMethod/method_setImplementation, see here: https://github.com/rweichler/shitstrate

you actually have to grab the original function pointer to the original implementation and call it via FFI, or handwritten assembly if you're into that

of course if you're just doing this within your own app, then its fine, you just need to be careful about how you hook things

rip irc.saurik.com

[vivid dew]

give me the developer role

[magic hazel]

is there an api to trigger vibration in uikit like there is for haptics?

[grim sparrow]

There’s the 3 default feedback generators and there’s also an API to generate your own haptic engine patterns

[magic hazel]

I want the vibration motor though

Not haptics

For devices without haptics

So 3GS-6 and preferably an older api, there must be one

[grim sparrow]

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/ksystemsoundid_vibrate

[magic hazel]

Awesome

iOS 2+ I assume

[grim sparrow]

It exists in every version of iOS

[magic hazel]

So yeah 2+ cool

Fire

I’ll implement bow

[grim sparrow]

It’s a compile time constant so it exists wherever the fuck you want

Pls for the love of good use impact generators on phones that support them though

[magic hazel]

I already do ofc

They’re iOS 10+ tho

Which is weird Bcus the 6S was iOS 9 right

[magic hazel]

Doesn’t it use like a generator??

[grim sparrow]

The docs don’t mention it anymore but you should check CHHapticEngine.capabilitiesForHardware()

[magic hazel]

Won’t that just exclude like iPod touch and SE 1

Oh and iPads ofc

[grim sparrow]

pretty much

you can hard code if you want

the impact generators are pretty catch all for doing it for you nowadays with the newer sdks

[magic hazel]

I already hardcode chipset stuff

So I can call an enum for performance management

[grim sparrow]

CoreHaptics is actually a really fun API

It’s what the music vibrations accessibility feature uses

[magic hazel]

ofc its ios 13+

everything is ios 13+

[grim sparrow]

It requires gen2 Taptic Engine

[magic hazel]

so 8 and up?

or x and up

[grim sparrow]

I think X

[magic hazel]

right

[grim sparrow]

The 8 was a sad phone that generation

[magic hazel]

so sad

8 is a solid phone

massively overshadowed tho

ngl i love the X

[grim sparrow]

I love my 8

[magic hazel]

taptic engine 2 is actually 7

[dusk cove]

backport it

🧌

[magic hazel]

backport a physical piece of hardware?

[dusk cove]

didnt read that part

[grim sparrow]

Oh I may be vastly mistaken because the full api isn’t available until the iPhone 12 which shipped with iOS 14

It was available with older hardware but the iPhone 12 fully unlocked it

[magic hazel]

i see

well my main modern device is now a 12 pro

so probably will end up optimising for that asw

[grim sparrow]

Fuck knows what generation it was at that point

[magic hazel]

god i hate safe area layout

[grim sparrow]

Why??

[magic hazel]

because of the dynamic island

until i can figure out how to build with the iOS 16 sdk i can't account for it

[grim sparrow]

Ok you’re gonna need to have a really good fucking reason for this because I think apples logic of don’t put things you need to read behind the dynamic island is pretty based

[magic hazel]

oh it is

it's great logic

it's just super annoying to deal with when targeting non notched phones

i basically have to write my constraints twice

[grim sparrow]

Not really cause the safe area just becomes the top of the screen

[magic hazel]

except the safe area doesn't exist on iOS 10>

[grim sparrow]

Weird how the first device that shipped with a hole in the screen was iOS 11

[magic hazel]

more of a mild annoyance for x-13

for iphone 14 pro + though idek how ima deal w it

[grim sparrow]

Why can’t you just define a constant that breaks down to safeAreaLayoutGuide if available

Like every other dev did when they had this problem

[magic hazel]

?

im confused

anchors aren't constant they change don't they

screen rotation and sizes

do you mean like a computed UILayoutGuide?

[grim sparrow]

extension UIView { var _safeAreaLayoutGuide: UILayoutGuide {
if #available (iOS 11.0, *) {
self.safeAreaLayoutGuide } else { self.layoutGuide } } }

I LOVE coding on my phone in my bed

[magic hazel]

whats the _ for also that'd be for ios 9+ and wouldnt solve the 14 pro problem

and since ios 9 doesn't really need them

[grim sparrow]

Because a variable called safeAreaLayoutGuide already exists

[magic hazel]

YOU CAN DO THAT?

[grim sparrow]

And you can use _safeAreaLayoutGuide on all versions

[magic hazel]

time to go

[grim sparrow]

and it will compute at runtime which version to use

[magic hazel]

wait is it the same syntax or do you have to prefix with _

[grim sparrow]

the _ is completely decorative

[magic hazel]

can you do it on functions

[grim sparrow]

You could call it myFuckingLayoutGuide if you want

[magic hazel]

no i want syntax to be identical im gonna go implement in all my backports its going to solve so many issues

can you do functions

[grim sparrow]

Oh this didn’t override the existing but you can do that actually

there’s an undocumented way of doing that

[magic hazel]

send

pls

i need it

badly

[grim sparrow]

The problem is I don’t know how you could get the original back

[magic hazel]

do i have to modify the sdk??

[grim sparrow]

No

[magic hazel]

oh well ig just comment it out

how do you do it

[grim sparrow]

2 secs

[magic hazel]

does this also extend to structs and classes

[grim sparrow]

making me get my laptop out ruining my hjopes of going back to sleep tonight 😭

BUT

Swift has an attribute called @_disfavoredOverload

which means "use the version that exists in the sdk BUT if im targeting an older version use me"

so I use it to backport the newer String localized api

[dusk cove]

quick question is there a way to make web clips open a real installed app

[grim sparrow]

internal extension String {
    
    @_disfavoredOverload
    init(localized: StaticString) {
        let string = String(cString: localized.utf8Start)
        if let localeBundle {
            self = NSLocalizedString(string, tableName: nil, bundle: localeBundle, comment: "")
        } else {
            self = string
        }
    }
    
    @_disfavoredOverload
    init(localized: String) {
        if let localeBundle {
            self = NSLocalizedString(localized, tableName: nil, bundle: localeBundle, comment: "")
        } else {
            self = localized
        }
    }
    
}

I reckon you could do something similar for constraints

[magic hazel]

disfavouredoverload meaning

[grim sparrow]

_ _

[magic hazel]

didnt see

[magic hazel]

LETS GO

[grim sparrow]

basically if you can use the system version use it, if you can't use the system version use the version I write here

[magic hazel]

this is fucking huge

this actually might make me pushing the app to the app store viable now

[grim sparrow]

no it doesn't

you're using a custom toolchain

that immediately makes it so you can't

[magic hazel]

obv w xcode toolchain..

[grim sparrow]

💀

PLUS

[magic hazel]

and itd be for modern ios

[grim sparrow]

I'dput money down that you'd get denied because the app does not follow a single one of the human interface guidelines

like

not one

[magic hazel]

true

stil makes my life easier when moving between versions

[magic hazel]

i read those they're kinda eh

they lead to homogenous app design which i dislike but then again, swiftui

[grim sparrow]

no they're really not

a lot of them make sense

and haven't really changed since iOS 13 UIKit whcih was peak

the big idea of the human interface guidelines is that all apps should try and look like they belong on the system

and they should use system components as much as possible

so that anyone who picks up the device immediately knows how to use all the apps on it, and all the apps on it evolve with the operating system

[magic hazel]

makes sense but ruins fun custom ui

[grim sparrow]

some of the best apps followed the human interface guidelines perfectly

Flighty, Apolo, Tweetdeck

[magic hazel]

i'd imagine so

[grim sparrow]

And yet they're apps that everyone loved

Flighty is still going

Not tweetdeck

[magic hazel]

i wouldn't imagine apple's guidelines make inherently bad looking ui

lmao

[grim sparrow]

Tweetbot

man its gonna be a rough day

but the point is that people generally enjoy using those apps a lot more

[magic hazel]

there's always the official client ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i'll probably end up making the ui a bit more tweaked and polished

[grim sparrow]

yeah and nobody fucking used those when Apollo and Tweetbot lived

be the change you want to see in the world

[magic hazel]

but one thing i always wanted was the ability to make the ui look like how you wanted

[grim sparrow]

Third party clients were killed because:
A: No ad money from the API
B: They weren't happy people weren't using the official client

and look at how it destroyed reddit

[magic hazel]

indeed

wait now that i think about it i dont think it would be accepted anyways since its against tos

[grim sparrow]

oh it is 100% against the discord rules

[magic hazel]

ye

[grim sparrow]

and people get banned all the time for it

its why i stopped mine

[magic hazel]

apparently the official client uses ETF payloads

[grim sparrow]

Have you added friend requests yet?

[magic hazel]

not yet but i will

why

[grim sparrow]

dont

do not add friend requests

[magic hazel]

why

[grim sparrow]

freind requests is the most protected API

[magic hazel]

more protected than 2fa sign in?

[grim sparrow]

yup

[magic hazel]

damn

[grim sparrow]

its because spam bots use it

[magic hazel]

ah

[torn oriole]

Surprising considering how easily ariez could abuse it

[magic hazel]

good point

[grim sparrow]

discord dont care about people using third party clients for UI tweaks or whatever

they care about people mass spamming friend requests and shit

[magic hazel]

well they still care ive gotten many psw resets

still unsure why

ill fix eventually

[grim sparrow]

when was this though

[magic hazel]

probably bcus of all my testing

[grim sparrow]

they added captchas to friend requests a few years ago

[torn oriole]

Distinctly remembering when they were lurking at one point. I told them to send me friend requests if they were here and I suddenly had 20 requests appear instantaneously

[grim sparrow]

and hoenstly I haven't had any issues since then

[torn oriole]

Late last year

[grim sparrow]

ha

I've had to solve a captcha every time I add a friend for years now

and I haven't used any third party clients since 2020

[magic hazel]

isn't it just a REST endpoint?

[grim sparrow]

yup

[magic hazel]

lmao

[torn oriole]

Third party clients are just annoying atp

[grim sparrow]

yeah

[torn oriole]

No notifications, shit just breaking because it can

Someone deciding to make a malicious plugin

[grim sparrow]

I don't think its their fault

Yeah

[torn oriole]

It's not worth the risk anymore

[magic hazel]

no notifications is a problem im not sure how to solve

[grim sparrow]

its discord having to crack down on the malicious side of it

[torn oriole]

It's not, it's Apple

[grim sparrow]

well and that

[torn oriole]

But still

It's a consequence of custom clients half the time

[magic hazel]

ngl i wouldn't have made a client if it didn't target a version where the official client doesn't exist

[grim sparrow]

uses a modern iphone

the official discord app isn't that bad anymore

[magic hazel]

shouldn't this prevent the risks

[grim sparrow]

it used to be awful

[grim sparrow]

they're still strict af about it

[magic hazel]

ic

i mean i could just like heavily rate limit it

[grim sparrow]

especially now that we live in a society where sam altman sells you a machine that can break a lot of captchas :/

[magic hazel]

wow okay so the api is dead simple they shouldve just made it more complicated

[grim sparrow]

it already is

[magic hazel]

i was expecting way way way worse

[grim sparrow]

theyve put more effort into making sure htey can detect fake clients than making the api hard to use

because people will always figure out how to use the api

[magic hazel]

most fake clients announce their presence

istg every client i see always includes it's name in the identify payload

[grim sparrow]

oh I can guarantee Discord see your client as a third party client

and if you started doing stuff other than sending messages you'd be getting nuked

[magic hazel]

perchance, it does pop up in my "active devices" with the same identifier

i have sign in with 2fa which is stable

idk about no 2fa

[grim sparrow]

thats not that big thoguh

[magic hazel]

wouldve thought it would be for them

[grim sparrow]

No

[magic hazel]

i mean on ios 6 its pretty nice

[grim sparrow]

Clients had that 7 years ago

2fa sign in is not a new thing

and almost every service does it the exact same way

[magic hazel]

captchas could perchance be very hard to get working on ios 6 tho

this is an endpoint???

[granite frigate]

old apple id 2fas just made u put the code after reentering ur password

[magic hazel]

ik i still have to on old devices

[magic hazel]

i wouldve thought this would be obfuscated 😭

[magic hazel]

what does this constitute btw

[grim sparrow]

ive seen people get banned in 3rd party clients for:

• Friend frequests
• Sending a dm to someone new
• Creating a channel
• Being the first to message in a channel

Its probably not exhaustive and its not a guaranteed every time thing

[magic hazel]

aight well ill pay close attention to how the official client does it

[grim sparrow]

but its enough that I wouldn't do anything but send messages in public servers

because I value my account

[grim sparrow]

you will never be perfect

thats the issue

they could do one change overnight and screw you over instantly

[magic hazel]

true enough

[grim sparrow]

unfortunately you're fighting the same battle that the scam bots are fighting

[magic hazel]

well not exactly

[grim sparrow]

and the scam bots have been winning for too long

[magic hazel]

i have no desire to spam the api

[grim sparrow]

discord see third party api usage as third party api usage

you can't just put in your identify payload "im not a spammer trust me bro"

[magic hazel]

then why don't they immediately ban every self bot

[grim sparrow]

they just see someone who is about to send fake steam gift cards in every channel they can see

[grim sparrow]

exodus

[magic hazel]

hm?

[grim sparrow]

people who use vencord and stuff

vencord users have been banwaved in the past

[magic hazel]

even that is against tos which they could ban right

like if its this bad just fully crack down

[grim sparrow]

but they at least get the benefit of using the discord client

its harder to detect vencord because you aren't inherintly tweaking the api requests the app makes

[magic hazel]

no but there would be stuff that should be fairly easy to pick up on

like certain plugins

[grim sparrow]

but ban waves have defintiely happened, usually in relation to a bad plugin

it does happen

[magic hazel]

ye

[grim sparrow]

and those plugins quickly get nuked

funnily enough if a plugin is known to cause bans its usually removed from the marketplace

[magic hazel]

i mean im absolutely certain dc knows cus so many times during testing shit broke and went haywire

and ive had like 2 or 3 pswd resets

maybe i should move to etf..

problem is i have to fetch initial data via rest rather than the ready payload so its a lost battle

[grim sparrow]

yeah i really wouldnt add much else unless you dont care about your account 😭

[magic hazel]

I do care about it but I’m gonna try adding as much as I can without too much risk there’s still a lot of data I get from the rest fetcys that I don’t use

Which I can implement without issue since I’m not having to make anymore requests

I’m hoping most of the cool customisation stuff is open ended

now that i know that certain stuff gets flagged ill try and avoid like admin actions

damn that actually kinda sucks, now i hate scam bots even more

[tepid nacelle]

then how do they detect it

[grim sparrow]

Things like custom api requests

The vencord api devs are in a constant battle to make it undetectable

Vencord itself is usually undetectable but once you start doing things like the experiments or plugins that make api requests it becomes obvious

[tepid nacelle]

then don’t /j

i don’t know a plugin that needs api requests

okay maybe there are some but legitimate users are able to replicate this

so

[grim sparrow]

Vencord plugins are a spectrum

[tepid nacelle]

ok that made me giggle

wdym spectrum

😭

[grim sparrow]

You’ve got things like mass message deleters which obviously make mass requests, theming plugins which are just css, message loggers which are just “don’t delete data I already have”

[tepid nacelle]

i thought message loggers were just storing deleting messages somewhere instead of api requests

and css would just be completely client side

[grim sparrow]

Yeah

[magic hazel]

i remember how easy it was to wipe one of my dms w a friend many eons ago

[tepid nacelle]

then How

[tepid nacelle]

many eons lmao

[magic hazel]

and that was in the web with a js script

😭

[grim sparrow]

No I mean like themes don’t make requests

That’s my point

[tepid nacelle]

oh

[grim sparrow]

And then message loggers don’t make requests but modify the clients behaviour in response to existing requests

[tepid nacelle]

and they check for that?

[grim sparrow]

Currently when I delete a message your client receives a message to say I’ve deleted it and hides the message, message loggers just ignore that request or mark the message as deleted in red or smth

that’s hard to detect because it’s again client side theming mostly

But mass deleting dms can be detected because that’s making (usually) thousands of delete requests

[tepid nacelle]

yea but if the developer of that message logger have brain in ass then it would probably be easy to detect

yea

[grim sparrow]

That’s what I mean by a spectrum of how much it modifies requests from not at all to is actively making auditable requests

[tepid nacelle]

im wondering how vencord didnt get dmca’d have

[grim sparrow]

Funnily enough sometimes they can be because users will try and reply to deleted messages

[grim sparrow]

other mods have been

[tepid nacelle]

why not vencord

[tepid nacelle]

just hide the reply button

[grim sparrow]

I don’t know tbh

[tepid nacelle]

if i was discord i would be pretty upset about it

cuz i cant juice nitro out of more users

[tepid nacelle]

(fakenitro)

[magic hazel]

Maybe it’s big enough that they like scan it every now and again and just let it be cus too much effort or cus goodness of heart

Honestly idk

[tepid nacelle]

no one has goodness of heart in big tech

[magic hazel]

That was a joke lmao

[grim sparrow]

The biggest issue is they’re not really violating discords copyright

So a dmca isn’t really valid

especially when they’re modifying the existing client

[tepid nacelle]

they’re modifying their client without authorization

so

[grim sparrow]

Is that a copyright issue though

[magic hazel]

That’s not DMCA worthy that’s just a breach of TOS iirc

[grim sparrow]

^

[tepid nacelle]

they can make it one

[grim sparrow]

And get sued for wrongful filing

[tepid nacelle]

maybe

[magic hazel]

Tbh discord is busy enough fighting bots

[tepid nacelle]

yea

[magic hazel]

I don’t think it’s that high on their priority list

[tepid nacelle]

its affecting their revenue

bots arent really

[magic hazel]

Clearly not dramatically enough

[grim sparrow]

How though

[magic hazel]

Oh good lord

[tepid nacelle]

i have a german exam and i cant write and think rationally

its so over

[tepid nacelle]

good example is fakenitro

[magic hazel]

Bots massively impact perception of the platform

[tepid nacelle]

plugins like fakenitro lead users to believe “nah i dont need nitro”

[grim sparrow]

^

[magic hazel]

Drives away new users like the plague

[tepid nacelle]

and discord cant spread mass propaganda for nitro

[tepid nacelle]

i mean so far bots havent been a big problem recently

[grim sparrow]

A much much smaller percentage of users are using that though

[magic hazel]

My family refuses to even consider it because of the bot allegations

[tepid nacelle]

(recently not 2 years ago)

[grim sparrow]

And to make fakenitro not viable would mean making the platform ass

Such as breaking inline image embeds

[magic hazel]

Ye

[grim sparrow]

Fake nitro is literally just an image picker

[tepid nacelle]

i mean

[magic hazel]

Fr

[grim sparrow]

It’s not that deep

[tepid nacelle]

it also unlocks 1440p 60 fps streaming for whatever reasn

idk why that is client sided

[grim sparrow]

that is true

That is a funny one

[tepid nacelle]

[grim sparrow]

I bet that’s an account flag they’re monitoring

There’s still 10 flags that we don’t know the use of

[tepid nacelle]

lmao

[grim sparrow]

1 of them is “used fake nitro to stream in 1440p”

[tepid nacelle]

Surely.

i mean

you can test it

probably?

[magic hazel]

LOL

[tepid nacelle]

my bus is late by 1 minute

[grim sparrow]

If it was that big a deal they would just add a server and check

[tepid nacelle]

how dare they.

[tepid nacelle]

i mean they advertise it as one of the main benefits of nitro

[grim sparrow]

The fact they still haven’t probably means the user count is not even high enough for them to notice

[tepid nacelle]

probably

what if i report it rn and they say they’re aware of this issue already

[grim sparrow]

I would be interested to see what they say

[orchid fulcrum]

i had replied to this when i woke up but realised it was bs so heres another reply.

What you say is true about class hooks, but this just hooks a single instance.

curently when you do

HOOK_INSTANCE(obj, selName, SIGNATURE(void), {
NSLog(@"hook 1");
orig(); // calls the (most) original impl
});

HOOK_INSTANCE(obj, selName, SIGNATURE(void), { //calling it again with the same object
NSLog(@"hook 2");
orig(); // calls the hooked impl from the first macro
});

[obj selName];

this prints

hook 2
hook 1

and then performs the (most) original implementation.

if you mean how it interacts with normal class %hook's, i am not so sure about it, never tried myself but i think it comes down to whether the class hook is initiated before the instance hook.

cls* obj = [[cls alloc] init];
cls* obj2 = [[cls alloc] init];

HOOK_INSTANCE(obj, selName, SIGNATURE(void), {
NSLog(@"hook 1");
orig(); // calls the (most) original impl
});

MSHookMessageEx([obj class], sel, ...); 

HOOK_INSTANCE(obj2, selName, SIGNATURE(void), {
NSLog(@"hook 2");
orig(); // calls the impl from the MSHookMessageEx's hooked version 
});

[obj selName]; // prints hook 1, then calls the (most) original impl

[obj2 selName]; // prints hook 2, then calls MSHookMessageEx's hooked version 

//edit:
//not sure what happens when we HOOK_INSTANCE(obj, ...) in this line one more time, it probably continues using the (most) original impl rather than MSHookMessage's version, but its a stretch and even then i don't think its a big issue

im not seeing anything wrong, its consistent whether or not there are multiple tweaks

[magic hazel]

<@&355174844205367317>

This scam is so pervasive i swear to god

[floral notch]

i am talking about an edgecase here, yes this applies to your project

it has to do with hooking the same method on a subclass and a superclass

let me think about this for a minute

[floral notch]

oh ok, since this is creating subclasses on-the-fly, i think i can make this example simpler

https://gist.github.com/rweichler/6eaaa0e03b773998d91f50e195d286b7

wait.... hold on

this is broken in ElleKit too

https://gist.github.com/rweichler/5aabc1a82fcd65eef4bc260ba0aea6cd

i must be tripping

ok, apparently im not tripping, they're not using an FFI (or handwritten assembly), just the objc runtime functions:

https://github.com/tealbathingsuit/ellekit/blob/6c4a325e81f92116087662e929a5a34bd9e992c7/ellekit/Languages/Objective-C.swift#L10-L30

i wonder how this affects end users

this must be affecting some people in strange ways

but maybe in practice this just doesn't happen much anymore, now that the scene is less active

anyway. there goes my morning

[orchid fulcrum]

yep thats the same example in my second codeblock, still it depends on whether HOOK_INSTANCE or MSHookMessage is called first. When you change their order it will meet your expectation

[floral notch]

i am well aware of that

[orchid fulcrum]

yeah, ideally there would be a mechanism to regulate these orders, i.e running hook_instances after hookMessage's etc. But idk whose responsibility that would be

[floral notch]

in the old days, that was saurik's responsibility

seriously. he wrote substrate to handle it so you didnt need to think about the ordering

[orchid fulcrum]

Hm, now that i think about it most class hooks are initialised in a constructor. And instances are created only after that, so it kinda meets your expectation in reality

[magic hazel]

how long has this been available

it works perfectly btw

Doesn't work on classes sadly though

[magic hazel]

Is there any way to override a class?

[grim sparrow]

I have no idea I can’t find a lot of docs on it

[magic hazel]

it solved a bunch of problems

still sadly can't get swift to shutup about my uilayoutguide override

[grim sparrow]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/sudo-rs-security-ubuntu-25.10

Leaking the root password is an incredible security issue

[wooden yarrow]

"two moderate vulnerabilities" is crazy

[hexed knot]

What a shocker

[native dune]

if it ain't broke don't fix it

[light owl]

well a lot of the nocturne code you've committed is broken

[wheat grotto]

ok ? fix it

mr writes perfect code

[light owl]

I do

[wheat grotto]

[pearl sail]

When you write no code it becomes perfect

[lime pivot]

"Another change is also made to not treat backspace as a password character when the password is empty." something makes me think this hasn't had any user acceptance or vuln testing whatsoever

feels like they've done this in too much of a rush for the 26.04 LTS. uutils is incredibly good (I'm using it on macOS) but some of the bugs are kindaaaa like how did you not catch this

[tepid nacelle]

maybe they’re falling into microsoft’s steps

[lime pivot]

half of Linux userland still being shell scripts duct taped together means it's way more critical if a coreutil is producing unexpected behavior

[lime pivot]

I still call complete bullshit on every company claiming high % of code being produced by AI

[tepid nacelle]

why would u say that

smh

[lime pivot]

have a bot pushing code round the clock to a repo that isn't used by anything, wow impressive, can't believe 30% of our code is written by AI!!!

inb4 the bot is just updating README.md

[tepid nacelle]

there’s an ex microsoft employee here willing to say that most of the azure code being pushed currently is slop

[quaint rain]

fixed seahorse emoji X 500

[lime pivot]

human written slop which is even more sad

[tepid nacelle]

not necessarily ai slop but

[tepid nacelle]

yea

[quaint rain]

Still on 24.something.something for my Kubuntu installs

stable is usually always better then bleeding edge

[lime pivot]

also as expected of phoronix of course the comments are all "lul not so secure now are you rust"

yeah I mean if you wanna find the guy who said rust fixes every bug ever, feel free to argue with them

nobody who has a clue was saying that

[tepid nacelle]

bleeding edge number 1 💪💪💪💪💪 unstable code my favorite. 💪

[lime pivot]

even the .1 release of an LTS is when Canonical actually starts pushing it as an upgrade option

I'll use ubuntu devel on my desktop but that's because I enjoy pain and can get myself out of bugs usually

[quaint rain]

yeah that’s the thing

[lime pivot]

most other people, LTSes are what you want

and what plenty of forks like Mint use

[quaint rain]

iOS 26 has a similar issue with not being fully polished by full release

[lime pivot]

atp Apple x.0 releases exist because the hardware has to ship with something, not because it's ready

[quaint rain]

17.0

The initial batch got trollstore

[lime pivot]

[magic hazel]

any way to change intensity

[grim sparrow]

Don’t think so

I think that’s a hardware problem too

[magic hazel]

It's fixed???

Really???

Wow that's cheap

[grim sparrow]

Wait

I beam vibrationintensuty on older devices

Way back when it was just on or off

Now you get a lot of choices

That’s what you mean right

That’s kinda the whole point of the haptic engine

Oh I read it wrong, yes it’s fixed

[magic hazel]

So yes

very cheap

apple cheaped out

variable intensity motors are not expensive

well i guess that means no haptics on anything less than the iphone 7

[grim sparrow]

Hey there’s now been more iPhone models with a home grown engine than there hasn’t been

Vibration intensity isn’t that big a deal

[magic hazel]

it's annoying for me

android had it since inception

[grim sparrow]

Bad answer

[magic hazel]

on like 99% of phones

[grim sparrow]

Android is an open source operation system

[magic hazel]

^

[grim sparrow]

They had to add stuff that Apple didn’t have to try and win

[magic hazel]

or more aptly, 99% of android based phones had it since inception

[grim sparrow]

Because at the time Android itself wasn’t as good

Android still struggles with 3rd party app developers

[magic hazel]

oh dont get me wrong android is ass

lmao

[grim sparrow]

So the phones have to rely on better hardware :/

[magic hazel]

android the software is cooked as fuck

ngl tho hardware nowadays, kinda cooking

but besides that

its cheap

its like 2 bucks

[grim sparrow]

You could vary it through private API I think

But I don’t know if it would be that good

[magic hazel]

What private api

[grim sparrow]

I don't know

but if you can vibrate for incredibly short periods of time

you could effecitvely pwm the motor

its just a vague idea

[magic hazel]

I see

[indigo kraken]

yo, has there been any progress on this?

[crisp frost]

I have integrated your way of using that api so it requires no user interaction

SSVInstallManagedApplicationRequest

[grim sparrow]

why is downloading from gdrive still so slow in 2025

sat here for ages

[wooden yarrow]

use rclone !

[grim sparrow]

i just wanted to odwmload an album 😭

you should be able to use the website of a cloud based storage provider

it took 17 minutes

the zip file was 914MB in the end

[wooden yarrow]

i think the problem is not the download speed itself but just because you can't make a user download an entire folder you gotta package it in a zip

[grim sparrow]

but it shouldnt take 17 minutes to zip a gigabyte

and that

[wooden yarrow]

they probably relegate it to the slowest possible machine they have

[indigo kraken]

Nice. I was gonna offer to send an example if you hadn’t (I noticed that nothing seems to actively use it anymore lol)

[lime pivot]

because of the zipping

if browsers were less bad about downloading files you could just pull them straight down without it being a mess

you kinda can but it'll whinge about the site trying to download bomb you

[hasty ruin]

Hmm, if only google had control over every browser

[thick saddle]

yes, if I had control over every browser

[gentle grove]

That's my motto

[vivid dew]

back in the day i had this one gif on my site that wouldn't render properly in firefox

so naturally i slapped a "works best in ie6" banner on there

[native dune]

nothing renders properly in Firefox

[light owl]

Do you have a job yet

[native dune]

Lol

[gentle grove]

my website does

[crisp frost]

I integrated it with my website as well, so now I have a locally hosted [redacted] clone :D

Doesn't even need a usb connection to the iphone that will decrypt the apps anymore, it can do it over wifi as well

It just cannot enter deep sleep

[slim bramble]

pircay :/

[elder scaffold]

pircay :/

[grim sparrow]

pircay :/

[magic hazel]

Does anyone have any idea what could cause this crash?

[grim sparrow]

this is the funniest way to share a crash log ive seen in a while

I'd look at those symbols

cause it looks like something in BackDeployment.cpp called Terminate after seeing what version of ios you were running, or what version of swift you were running

that doesnt look to be a crash, more something called quit

[magic hazel]

iOS 7 an swift 5.10 but it’s only on arm64 and it only happens on iOS 7-8

I don’t know what back deployment.cpp even is

I don’t actually own that device

It’s someone using my app

[grim sparrow]

To me it reads as something in the swift stdlib called terminate after reading some kind of version

[magic hazel]

I see

[grim sparrow]

operatingSystemVersion to be exact

[magic hazel]

Well the Stdlib is swift 5.1.5

Which is fully iOS 7 compatible

So that’s highly confusing

[grim sparrow]

but you can see why I would think that right

just from looking at that the trace

[magic hazel]

Yeah I can see that

[grim sparrow]

can you get the full crashlog

[magic hazel]

Ye sec I’ll ask

[grim sparrow]

do i know who you are? i dont recognise you

9/10's out of 10 the next question to ur dm is "can you make me a tweak for tinder" or "can you make a piracy tool"

I ignore all requests by default, I get a good few a day

most of which being spam

You're better off just asking here anyway

Unfortunately most tweak/jb developers get spammed with requests for icloud bypass or tinder tweaks or in app purchase bypass or whatever

which is why a lot of requests get ignored

have you posted on r/TweakBounty

why was it deleted?