#development | r/Jailbreak | Page 247

cloud yacht Oct 18, 2025, 6:24 PM

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magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 7:21 PM

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rather than leave, just mute the server

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also idk why

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but it is so satisfying

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to just

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throw this little dude

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around

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rocky oriole Oct 18, 2025, 7:38 PM

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magic hazel rather than leave, just mute the server

yeah you can mute but it doesn't change the fact that you can just go into it and talk

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leaving is a better approach for trying to get away from the server rather then muting

manic forum Oct 18, 2025, 7:44 PM

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magic hazel

you can import more by dragging and dropping a zip file on the page

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 7:45 PM

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manic forum you can import more by dragging and dropping a zip file on the page

idk what id be importing

manic forum Oct 18, 2025, 7:45 PM

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magic hazel rather than leave, just mute the server

leaving seems to work better

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 7:46 PM

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manic forum leaving seems to work better

fair enough

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surely port to legacy ios

manic forum Oct 18, 2025, 7:47 PM

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magic hazel idk what id be importing

try this one

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 7:48 PM

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didn't import

manic forum Oct 18, 2025, 7:49 PM

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:(

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(weird, i just tried it, it seemed to work)

manic forum Oct 18, 2025, 7:50 PM

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magic hazel didn't import

anything in the console?

cloud yacht Oct 18, 2025, 7:51 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/works-on-my-machine-ryan-gosling-works-on-my-gif-24523830

Tenor

manic forum Oct 18, 2025, 7:52 PM

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cloud yacht https://tenor.com/view/works-on-my-machine-ryan-gosling-works-on-my-gif-24523830

this tbh

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i don't think i care enough to continue working on it beyond this stage

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 7:53 PM

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main.js:1 Uncaught (in promise) TypeError: file.bytes is not a function
at fileDrop.ondrop (main.js:1:1156)

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surely fix thsi

manic forum Oct 18, 2025, 7:54 PM

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which browser?

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 7:55 PM

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chrome

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💀

manic forum Oct 18, 2025, 7:56 PM

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hm

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i only tested it with firefox and safari but i would've expected it to work on chrome

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 8:01 PM

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manic forum i only tested it with firefox and safari but i would've expected it to work on c...

i mean

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i would hope so

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chrome is the main browser

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💀

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oh shit

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you can natively use c++ in swift

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thats wild

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swift is goated

manic forum Oct 18, 2025, 8:06 PM

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you know what else can use c++ directly

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objective-c++

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insane right

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 8:08 PM

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yes

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but swift can use both that and objc and c++ and c

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i might actually start putting some c and c++ into my codebases now

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W

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i like c++ generally

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i dont like c

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but

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c++ is kinda neat ngl

crisp frost Oct 18, 2025, 8:11 PM

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see you next saturday

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 8:18 PM

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magic hazel you can natively use c++ in swift

yeah but its eh

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there are certain frameworks that just don't work because of how swift c++ handles memory

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 8:19 PM

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ah fair

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 8:21 PM

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another issue is it acts as a plague on ur packages

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 8:21 PM

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how so

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 8:21 PM

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because you need to add cxx compiler support to literally everything

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 8:21 PM

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oh true

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 8:21 PM

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i.e. if you depend on a package that depends on a c++ package, your package still needs to manually enable cxx

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 8:21 PM

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why the actual fuck is the qos overlay 8.0+ qos exists on ios 6 in objc

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grr

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 8:22 PM

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grim sparrow i.e. if you depend on a package that depends on a c++ package, your package stil...

oh shit

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so its literally viral

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okay

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that kinda does suck

light owl Oct 18, 2025, 8:33 PM

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crisp frost see you next saturday

You should do the same thing

gentle grove Oct 18, 2025, 9:00 PM

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could they not have come up with a better syntax for this 🥀

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dang this is recent

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oh no it's ES6

sour halo Oct 18, 2025, 9:20 PM

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I'm trying to reverse engineer a macos binary that I have the swift source to, and the decomp in ida looks basically nothing like the source code that i'm looking at, is there a reason for this or a way to make it a little bit understandable?

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 9:20 PM

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sour halo I'm trying to reverse engineer a macos binary that I have the swift source to, a...

welcome to how swift works

sour halo Oct 18, 2025, 9:20 PM

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does it compile to obj c or something

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 9:20 PM

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c++

sour halo Oct 18, 2025, 9:21 PM

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hmmmm

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I see a lot of functions with objc in the name almost implying there's some kind of bridge

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 9:22 PM

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yeah, a bridging layer exists to talk to objc methods

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but these bridges are just calling the objc runtime methods, the same way it would look for pure objc code

sour halo Oct 18, 2025, 9:23 PM

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ah so is that why it's such a mess

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 9:23 PM

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depends what ur looking at

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if its swift coding interacting with an objc framework its pretty good but if its pure swift then it becomes a clusterfuck because it can optimise itself to a much greater extent

sour halo Oct 18, 2025, 9:24 PM

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yea it's pure swift

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that would explain the clusterfuck 😂

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does this "Swift plugin" do jack shit

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 9:25 PM

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it deobfuscates symbols and does some small cleanups

cloud yacht Oct 18, 2025, 9:25 PM

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gentle grove could they not have come up with a better syntax for this 🥀

what would you propose?

sour halo Oct 18, 2025, 9:25 PM

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hm

hexed knot Oct 18, 2025, 9:26 PM

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Anything else

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 9:27 PM

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https://github.com/swiftlang/swift/tree/main/stdlib looking up information on stdlib functions can help you annotate the decompilation better

GitHub

swift/stdlib at main · swiftlang/swift

The Swift Programming Language. Contribute to swiftlang/swift development by creating an account on GitHub.

sour halo Oct 18, 2025, 9:27 PM

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grim sparrow https://github.com/swiftlang/swift/tree/main/stdlib looking up information on st...

alright thanks

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is there a server or something specifically for swift reing?

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 9:36 PM

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sour halo is there a server or something specifically for swift reing?

not really

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(to my knowledge anyway)

sour halo Oct 18, 2025, 9:37 PM

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damn unfortunate

lime pivot Oct 18, 2025, 9:46 PM

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also should have added that Apple are super unlike other companies like Facebook, they usually won’t adopt anything that isn’t bleeding edge. compare to Facebook who dogfoods changes to React/React Native for months before it hits github

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can’t say I like Facebook, not even if you held a gun to my head (pls don’t do that), but they at least build things they want to use themselves. rather than other teams being sceptical and refusing to adopt it

grim sparrow Oct 18, 2025, 10:11 PM

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lime pivot can’t say I like Facebook, not even if you held a gun to my head (pls don’t do t...

zstd is pretty neat

native dune Oct 18, 2025, 10:45 PM

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i love zstd

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thx meta

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 11:17 PM

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god uikit can be a pain

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so many hacky fixes

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delaying updates by like 0.01 of a second so it doesnt crash

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woeis

radiant idol Oct 18, 2025, 11:46 PM

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magic hazel delaying updates by like 0.01 of a second so it doesnt crash

That’s a race condition

magic hazel Oct 18, 2025, 11:46 PM

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radiant idol That’s a race condition

im actually not sure what it is because it happens when snapshotting a view

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so i doubt its a race condition

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i mean

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what im doing

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is making one

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but i dont know why i have to

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either way it crashes on ios 6 anyways for other easons

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ios 7 ironed out so many kinks in uikit

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woeis

light owl Oct 19, 2025, 12:23 AM

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native dune thx meta

I love instagram reels

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Thx meta

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 2:21 AM

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guys

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where are the header dumps

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for ios

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limeos is back up gg

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does anyone know of a fast way to get a screen capture

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renderincontext is too fucking slow

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 3:09 AM

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how do you use private apis

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      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_CoreSurfaceBufferUnlock", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_IOMobileFramebufferGetLayerDefaultSurface", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_CoreSurfaceBufferLock", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_CoreSurfaceBufferGetBytesPerRow", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_CoreSurfaceBufferGetBaseAddress", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_CoreSurfaceBufferGetPixelFormatType", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_CoreSurfaceBufferGetHeight", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_CoreSurfaceBufferGetWidth", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_kIOMasterPortDefault", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_IOMobileFramebufferOpen", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
  "_IOServiceMatching", referenced from:
      _captureScreenImage in FastScreenCapture.o
ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64

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i cant figure ts out

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 4:45 AM

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okay i figured out how to get past that bit

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but i cannot for the life of me get the iosurface to open

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 8:30 AM

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found a library that uses iosurface (pain in the ass to setup)

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its like

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5 times faster

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lets fucking go

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only downside is i can no longer build for simulators

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Sadge

grim sparrow Oct 19, 2025, 8:32 AM

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magic hazel only downside is i can no longer build for simulators

Look into using https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/dlsym.3.html

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 8:33 AM

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i might end up ditching this methods lmao

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its crashing on ios

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6

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grrrrr ios 6 why do you do thsi to me

grim sparrow Oct 19, 2025, 8:33 AM

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You can dynamically call private symbols so that:
A: No annoying linking
B: Easier to hide in App Store

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 8:33 AM

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also yeah i know about that

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yes i know

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dlopen

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ive tried it

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it's useless

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the app has to link against the older framework

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iosurface itself moved from privateframeworks to frameworks and has new symbols in ios 11

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lol

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plus

grim sparrow Oct 19, 2025, 8:34 AM

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Then just do if available on what you open

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 8:34 AM

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the other 2 libs it needs to link against

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were removed in ios 9

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 8:34 AM

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grim sparrow Then just do if available on what you open

the frameworks are arm

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lol

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it cant compile with them there it implicitly links them

grim sparrow Oct 19, 2025, 8:35 AM

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Isn’t every iOS framework arm

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 8:35 AM

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No

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Nearly every framework is x64

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otherwise the sim wouldnt be able to use it

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lol

grim sparrow Oct 19, 2025, 8:35 AM

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Sim is a diff story

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 8:35 AM

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magic hazel only downside is i can no longer build for simulators

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grim sparrow Oct 19, 2025, 8:36 AM

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That’s not a huge downside

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 8:36 AM

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either way it doesn't seem to work on ios 6 even though apparently it was made for it?

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kinda sucks but oh well

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https://github.com/k06a/UIView-FastScreenshot

GitHub

GitHub - k06a/UIView-FastScreenshot: The fastest way to get iOS scr...

The fastest way to get iOS screenshot. Contribute to k06a/UIView-FastScreenshot development by creating an account on GitHub.

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project if anyone is interested

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its substantially faster than renderincontext thats for sure

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renderincontext is fucking slow as balls

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//
//  UIView+FastScreenshot.m
//  FastScreenshotDemo
//
//  Created by Anton Bukov on 27.08.13.
//  Copyright (c) 2013 Anton Bukov. All rights reserved.
//
//  Fix for iPad compatibility found on:
//  https://github.com/coolstar/RecordMyScreen/blob/master/RecordMyScreen/CSScreenRecorder.m

#import "IOSurface.h"
#import "UIView+FastScreenshot.h"

@implementation UIView (FastScreenshot)

+ (UIImage *)screenshot
{
    CGSize screenSize = [UIScreen mainScreen].bounds.size;
    float scale = [UIScreen mainScreen].scale;
    
    NSInteger width, height;
    // setup the width and height of the framebuffer for the device
    if ([[UIDevice currentDevice] userInterfaceIdiom] == UIUserInterfaceIdiomPhone) {
        // iPhone frame buffer is Portrait
        width = screenSize.width * scale;
        height = screenSize.height * scale;
    } else {
        // iPad frame buffer is Landscape
        width = screenSize.height * scale;
        height = screenSize.width * scale;
    }
    
    NSInteger bytesPerElement = 4;
    NSInteger bytesPerRow = bytesPerElement * width;
    NSInteger totalBytes = bytesPerRow * height;

    
    NSDictionary *properties = @{
        (__bridge NSString *)kIOSurfaceIsGlobal:@YES,
        (__bridge NSString *)kIOSurfaceBytesPerElement:@(bytesPerElement),
        (__bridge NSString *)kIOSurfaceBytesPerRow:@(bytesPerRow),
        (__bridge NSString *)kIOSurfaceWidth:@(width),
        (__bridge NSString *)kIOSurfaceHeight:@(height),
        (__bridge NSString *)kIOSurfacePixelFormat:@(0x42475241),//'ARGB'
        (__bridge NSString *)kIOSurfaceAllocSize:@(bytesPerRow * height)
    };
    
    IOSurfaceRef surface = IOSurfaceCreate((__bridge CFDictionaryRef)properties);
    
    IOSurfaceLock(surface, 0, nil);
    extern void CARenderServerRenderDisplay(int a, CFStringRef display, IOSurfaceRef surface, int b, int c);
    CARenderServerRenderDisplay(0, CFSTR("LCD"), surface, 0, 0);
    void * baseAddr = IOSurfaceGetBaseAddress(surface);
    NSData * data = [NSData dataWithBytes:baseAddr length:totalBytes];
    IOSurfaceUnlock(surface, 0, 0);
    
    CGDataProviderRef provider = CGDataProviderCreateWithData(NULL, data.bytes, data.length, NULL);
    CGImageRef imageRef = CGImageCreate(width, height, 8, 8*bytesPerElement, bytesPerRow,
                                        CGColorSpaceCreateDeviceRGB(),
                                        kCGBitmapByteOrder32Host | kCGImageAlphaFirst,
                                        provider, NULL, false, kCGRenderingIntentDefault);
    
    UIImage * image = [UIImage imageWithCGImage:imageRef];

    CGImageRelease(imageRef);
    CFRelease(surface);
    
    return image;
}

@end

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pretty cool stuff

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shame it isn't seeming to work on ios 6

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apple sucks

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idk why they hide all this stuff away

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it actually pisses me off

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why do they give us devs such shit methods

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they added drawviewhierachy in ios 7 asw

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all i have is the awful renderincontext

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ive optimised the shit out of the entire rest of the app

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if you dont run renderincontext its a smooth 60fps with super heavy effects

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3 blur kernels

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and then boom renderincontext and it just chugs woeis

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grr grr grr

tepid olive Oct 19, 2025, 12:48 PM

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magic hazel if you dont run renderincontext its a smooth 60fps with super heavy effects

Sorry bro I don’t understand 80% of stuff you talk about but I feel like you’re talking to yourself

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 12:49 PM

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That’s because I am kinda

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Publicly logging my experience Ig allowing anyone to weigh in if they feel like it

lime pivot Oct 19, 2025, 1:19 PM

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magic hazel im actually not sure what it is because it happens when snapshotting a view

dispatch_async(dispatch_get_main_queue(), ^{}) without a delay can be fine for this, because you're scheduling for the next tick of the run loop

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that's enough to let another layout pass happen

wooden yarrow Oct 19, 2025, 2:50 PM

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lime pivot `dispatch_async(dispatch_get_main_queue(), ^{})` without a delay can be fine for...

what if the main queue has other things though

desert nimbus Oct 19, 2025, 3:10 PM

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LF someone who has tinkered with SEPROM.

steady nest Oct 19, 2025, 3:11 PM

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go ahead, ask

desert nimbus Oct 19, 2025, 3:28 PM

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https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/dcappattestservice/generatekey(completionhandler:)

It looks using a private key for generating keyIds. And there are a counter how many keyId do you have. Maybe if we reset private key in the SEP we can generate new keyIds.

or maybe something can possible?

Apple Developer Documentation

generateKey(completionHandler:) | Apple Developer Documentation

Creates a new cryptographic key for use with the App Attest service.

timid furnace Oct 19, 2025, 3:55 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

Tenor

grim sparrow Oct 19, 2025, 3:59 PM

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timid furnace https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-g...

Flashbacks

hexed knot Oct 19, 2025, 5:16 PM

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magic hazel Publicly logging my experience Ig allowing anyone to weigh in if they feel like ...

Please make a blog

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I will buy the domain for you

fervent frigate Oct 19, 2025, 5:17 PM

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do not

tepid olive Oct 19, 2025, 5:17 PM

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hexed knot Please make a blog

Google blogspot?

cosmic briar Oct 19, 2025, 6:45 PM

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github pages

rocky oriole Oct 19, 2025, 6:57 PM

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+1

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 7:12 PM

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hexed knot Please make a blog

I hate html

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 7:12 PM

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lime pivot `dispatch_async(dispatch_get_main_queue(), ^{})` without a delay can be fine for...

Tried that

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And I already have a website

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lol

grim sparrow Oct 19, 2025, 7:13 PM

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magic hazel I hate html

jekyll template that lets ypu use markdown

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 7:13 PM

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And a domain

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 7:13 PM

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grim sparrow jekyll template that lets ypu use markdown

No like I have everything about web development

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Literally everything j hate every workflow

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Web development sucks

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I’ve tried numerous libraries including jekyll

rocky oriole Oct 19, 2025, 7:17 PM

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magic hazel I hate html

ask chatgpt to make it for you then

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 7:31 PM

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rocky oriole ask chatgpt to make it for you then

I already did that for the bulk of my website lol

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It's annoying and slow tho

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Progress update

hexed knot Oct 19, 2025, 8:28 PM

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magic hazel I hate html

Use hugo so you write with markdown

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Please

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Or just upload text files

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Wordpress

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Something

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 8:28 PM

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lol

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 9:46 PM

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rocky oriole ask chatgpt to make it for you then

webdev is a shitehole anyways

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make ai do the satans work (javascript)

gentle grove Oct 19, 2025, 9:48 PM

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Let's make a thread for jwi

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solves everyone's problems

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 9:51 PM

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Unpopular opinion, vibe coding is cool as long as it’s not for a job

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Like if you need a quick python script or html that’s fine

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But if your doing something that your publishing outside of a personal website, nah don’t

gentle grove Oct 19, 2025, 9:53 PM

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I think you're always doing yourself a disservice by using ai

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 9:53 PM

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quaint rain Unpopular opinion, vibe coding is cool as long as it’s not for a job

personal service i guess

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if you choose to shit your own pants..

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were in a free country

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it was a bad analogy but you get it

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what the fuck is flexing am i learning css flexboxes

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oh my god it all makes sense its so cool

gentle grove Oct 19, 2025, 9:59 PM

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using CSS on a native UI framework 🥀

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:01 PM

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gentle grove using CSS on a native UI framework 🥀

i didnt mean that 😭

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it sounded like flexbox

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I dont understand why it doesnt work in this menu though

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id love to get rid of “siri suggested websites”

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:06 PM

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prisma kraken id love to get rid of “siri suggested websites”

Disconnect from the internet

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:06 PM

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quaint rain Disconnect from the internet

or understand why i cant selevt that part

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i dont want ads

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lmao im being entertained my moving shit around

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this is so fun

desert nimbus Oct 19, 2025, 10:09 PM

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desert nimbus https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/dcappattestservice/generat...

Nevermind, Apple banned A10 devices for app attestation, tested. I think it was possible. @steady nest

Also, probrably they banned around August 2025.

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:09 PM

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prisma kraken lmao im being entertained my moving shit around

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:09 PM

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quaint rain

LOLL

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HOWD YOU DO THAT

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:10 PM

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prisma kraken HOWD YOU DO THAT

Same way

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:10 PM

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not gonna lie this looks kinda good

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instead of the search pills

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or whatever they are

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it goes back 😢

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:11 PM

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quaint rain Same way

i cant get it working in discord

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:12 PM

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prisma kraken not gonna lie this looks kinda good

On Vitreux you can enable glass underlay effect

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prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:13 PM

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omg i forgot to enable it

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HOLY SHIT looks good

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test

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:19 PM

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prisma kraken test

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:20 PM

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quaint rain

test said aegea

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fr

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i dont udnerstand why i cant move shit inside apps

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:20 PM

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prisma kraken i dont udnerstand why i cant move shit inside apps

RCTView over all the shit probably

hexed knot Oct 19, 2025, 10:20 PM

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prisma kraken I dont understand why it doesnt work in this menu though

You have to open flex after you open that menu

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:20 PM

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and that

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:21 PM

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hexed knot You have to open flex after you open that menu

ohh okay

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makes sense th

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i opened it on the springboard so it does its thing on the springboard

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im getting rid of fucking siri suggestions

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:21 PM

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prisma kraken i opened it on the springboard so it does its thing on the springboard

Yup

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:22 PM

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idk why i cant always open flex

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im holding the status bar

hexed knot Oct 19, 2025, 10:23 PM

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Tap and hold anywhere on the screen with three fingers

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:26 PM

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that doesnt work at all

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Nvm it does

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:30 PM

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prisma kraken that doesnt work at all

Haven’t fucked around with flex in quite a bit

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:30 PM

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quaint rain Haven’t fucked around with flex in quite a bit

when did i say gay :33

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loo

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lol

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quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:32 PM

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prisma kraken lol

Select item, click on it, in this case YYLabel, scroll to first property change the value to the text u want

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:33 PM

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quaint rain Select item, click on it, in this case YYLabel, scroll to first property change ...

scroll from the menu?

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:34 PM

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prisma kraken scroll from the menu?

Yes

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Wait

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No the little bar thing

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:35 PM

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No no i found it

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I cant change it tho

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just says description

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:35 PM

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prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:38 PM

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okay found it

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i crashed the fcking

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phone

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i think

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its running like delayed

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is there emergency restart springboard

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:41 PM

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prisma kraken its running like delayed

The fuck did you do 😭

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:41 PM

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prisma kraken is there emergency restart springboard

There’s tweaks to do that

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:42 PM

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prisma kraken is there emergency restart springboard

The jailbreak app

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:43 PM

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okay found it

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:43 PM

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quaint rain The fuck did you do 😭

silly

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hehe

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im just a silly

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Oh wow this is dangerous

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:45 PM

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prisma kraken Oh wow this is dangerous

What did you do/find out

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:45 PM

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quaint rain What did you do/find out

You can doctor text kinda

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Im not gonna do anything tho

quaint rain Oct 19, 2025, 10:49 PM

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prisma kraken Im not gonna do anything tho

cloud yacht Oct 19, 2025, 10:50 PM

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prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:51 PM

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quaint rain

i would never

prisma kraken Oct 19, 2025, 10:52 PM

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cloud yacht

Im gonna kill people with this

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how can i

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delete

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stuff

harsh junco Oct 19, 2025, 10:58 PM

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Ok

magic hazel Oct 19, 2025, 11:43 PM

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me when xcode freezes up every 2 hours essentially forcing me to go outside

lime pivot Oct 19, 2025, 11:56 PM

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wooden yarrow what if the main queue has other things though

then you're enqueued to run asap, which is still the case with timers. you're being run at some point after the timeout expires

magic hazel Oct 20, 2025, 12:13 AM

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i just have to do this

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public func textViewDidChange(_ textView: UITextView) {
        backgroundView.frameInterval = 60*60*60
        let width = textView.bounds.width > 0 ? textView.bounds.width : 100 // fallback
        let size = textView.sizeThatFits(CGSize(width: width, height: 1000000))
        let clampedHeight = max(40, min(size.height, 120))
        
        if clampedHeight != self.bounds.height {
            self.invalidateIntrinsicContentSize()
        }

        DispatchQueue.main.asyncAfter(deadline: .now() + 0.05) {
            self.backgroundView.frameInterval = 6
        }
    }```

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if i don't then it crashes i'm assuming because sometimes it tries and captures the frame while its in animation

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and im guessing there are a few frames

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where the bounds are functionally zero

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and it craps out

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it also can't snapshot an animating view very well so

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its fine tho

magic hazel Oct 20, 2025, 7:28 AM

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holy fuck

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i am actually crashing out

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idk why io surface captures dont work on ios 6 for images

fervent frigate Oct 20, 2025, 9:31 AM

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quaint rain

they really got inspect element for ios

tepid nacelle Oct 20, 2025, 10:38 AM

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fervent frigate they really got inspect element for ios

there is inspect element on safari too

fervent frigate Oct 20, 2025, 10:39 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

Tenor

tepid nacelle Oct 20, 2025, 10:39 AM

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fervent frigate https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

same

marsh ocean Oct 20, 2025, 11:00 AM

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i did a thing i think its cool

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https://tomcat.sh
(new footer) (check it out)

hi, im tomcat.

tomcat's personal website.

trail nimbus Oct 20, 2025, 12:47 PM

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Cool

dusk cove Oct 20, 2025, 12:57 PM

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marsh ocean https://tomcat.sh (new footer) (check it out)

good design

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bad mobile support

magic hazel Oct 20, 2025, 12:59 PM

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marsh ocean https://tomcat.sh (new footer) (check it out)

Preyyy cool

magic hazel Oct 20, 2025, 11:14 PM

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LMAO

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i think i figured out why atomic_store happens

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i am so stupid

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😭

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because of my laziness

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i didnt build compiler-rt

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turns out

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compiler-rt has its OWN implementation of atomic_store

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now it just so happens

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that ios 7+ DOES have atomic_store in libsystem.b

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but swift was never meant to link against that

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it was meant to link against compiler-rt's atomic_store

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woeis

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now i have to rebuild all my toolchains AGAIN

reef trail Oct 21, 2025, 4:54 AM

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did you need to split this into 14 messages

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 5:00 AM

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reef trail did you need to split this into 14 messages

lobby for my movement to move jwi swift log to either a personal blog or at least a thread

reef trail Oct 21, 2025, 5:01 AM

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nothing wrong with it i find it interesting, but realistically it doesn't need to span my whole viewport 😭

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 5:03 AM

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i think it's past the point of getting in the way of other development conversation happening

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i see people just give up talking in here because it gets flooded by jwi's singular blog

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even i was never as bad as this

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 5:08 AM

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i mean here's the thing though like that's all good and well

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but this is a public channel

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and generally most of the time when i'm talking here the channel is fairly dead

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in fact most of the time the channel is dead anyways

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and even when it's not, generally when i'm dev logging it's at a time of day where most people are asleep and so i don't really find that i interrupt others conversations much, or at least, i'm not conscious of it. plus, if there's already a conversation going on in here, either i'll relate to it and join in or not relate to it and not say anything like a regular person. it just so happens that in the periods of time where this channel would usually be filled with nothing, i dev log my experience in hopes of 1 storing it 2 allowing others already here to see it and not hiding it away on the millions of dev logs that exist and will never be found and 3 easily allowing myself to ask questions about my experience

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which, if i'm not wrong, is the point of this channel

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now, i do tend to split my messages up a lot which i can certainly understand to some is annoying, and sometimes i do try and put extra effort into not doing so, but this just so happens to be the way that i talk online due to various reasons that i'd rather not get into. i do however apologise if i have ever accidentally cut off or interrupted someones thoughts/conversations

reef trail Oct 21, 2025, 5:24 AM

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magic hazel which, if i'm not wrong, is the point of this channel

it's more for asking questions about development and sharing one off links / comments

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not really a running commentary

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 5:24 AM

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reef trail it's more for asking questions about development and sharing one off links / com...

(that part was directed towards the last part)

reef trail Oct 21, 2025, 5:25 AM

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well points 1 and 3 would still be solved if you ran your own dev log

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you could make a thread off this channel, then you get best of both worlds 🤷‍♂️

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i didn't mean to insult you it's just whenever i see this channel nowadays i miss the actual conversation and just see a wall of text which could've been a sentence

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 5:28 AM

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alr

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ill limit my use of this channel, sry if i've made the experience worse for anyone

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 8:25 AM

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Well, I think I have solved atomic store. The method in which I have gone about doing this is a bit wacky, so I will have to document it

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FUCK YES

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Step 1:
Go to compiler-rt/lib/builtins/CMakeLists.txt
Step 2:
At the place

  set(GENERIC_SOURCES
    ${GENERIC_SOURCES}
    atomic.c)
endif()```

change it to
```set(GENERIC_SOURCES
  ${GENERIC_SOURCES}
  atomic.c)```

Step 3
Rebuild LLVM via the swift build script using the command
```./utils/build-script \
  --release \
  --ios \
  --install-prefix=/tmp/swift-ios-toolchain \
  --darwin-deployment-version-ios=7.0 \
  --darwin-deployment-version-osx=10.15 \
  --extra-cmake-options="-G Ninja \
    -DLLVM_BUILD_RUNTIME=ON \
    -DSWIFT_INCLUDE_TESTS=OFF \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_BUILD_SANITIZERS=OFF \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_BUILD_BUILTINS=ON \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_ENABLE_IOS=ON \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_USE_COMPILER_RT_BUNDLED=ON \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_USE_LIBCXX=ON \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_HAS_ATOMICS=ON" \
  --skip-build-benchmarks \
  --skip-test-ios \
  --skip-test-ios-simulator \
  --skip-build-linux \
  --skip-build-freebsd \
  --skip-build-cygwin \
  --skip-test-swift

Step 4
Go to build/Ninja-ReleaseAssert/llvm-macosx-x86_64/tools/clang/runtime/compiler-rt-bins/lib/builtins
Step 5
Use

  libclang_rt.builtins_armv7_ios.a \
  libclang_rt.builtins_armv7s_ios.a \
  libclang_rt.builtins_arm64_ios.a \
  -output libclang_rt.ios.a```
to build a fat binary
Step 6
Go to build-script-impl in swift/utils
Step 7
find this line
if [ -f "$HOST_CXX_BUILTINS_DIR/libclang_rt.ios.a" ]
and where it has a path linking to the library, paste the path to your recompiled fat binary
Step 8 rebuild using this command (do not clear build folder)
```./utils/build-script \
  --release \
  --ios \
  --install-prefix=/tmp/swift-ios-toolchain \
  --darwin-deployment-version-ios=7.0 \
  --extra-cmake-options="-G Ninja \
    -DLLVM_BUILD_RUNTIME=ON \
    -DSWIFT_INCLUDE_TESTS=OFF \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_BUILD_SANITIZERS=OFF \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_BUILD_BUILTINS=ON \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_ENABLE_IOS=ON \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_USE_COMPILER_RT_BUNDLED=ON \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_USE_LIBCXX=ON \
    -DCOMPILER_RT_HAS_ATOMICS=ON" \
  --skip-build-benchmarks \
  --skip-test-ios \
  --skip-test-ios-simulator \
  --skip-build-ios-simulator \
  --skip-build-linux \
  --skip-build-freebsd \
  --skip-build-cygwin \
  --skip-build-osx \
  --skip-test-swift

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in case anyone wants to know

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 8:56 AM

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magic hazel and generally most of the time when i'm talking here the channel is fairly dead

consider that it might be dead because you kill it constantly

You prevent people from initiating conversation when the entire channel is filled with your unfiltered brain activity, because it makes the channel be already full

It is OK for a channel to not be filled with messages 24/7

lofty juniper Oct 21, 2025, 8:58 AM

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This.

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 9:14 AM

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Okay

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Sorry about that, I tend to get very focused and consumed by the things that I'm passionate about working on and generally there hasn't been a lot of people who take interest in said activities let alone have discussions about them, and especially with this I guess I have been overly excited about developments since I haven't really done something like this before and actually had it work out properly, but I don't mean to stifle other's conversations and I apologise if I have done so. I fear that in oversharing and not having a filter on my thoughts I have had a negative impact here rather than a positive one, which is not what I want to do.

radiant idol Oct 21, 2025, 10:14 AM

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@magic hazel yk what you should do? create a thread in the Theos server for your dev log

Whoever wants to access it will be able to, and whoever doesn’t, won’t

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 10:16 AM

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radiant idol <@704533918010966117> yk what you should do? create a thread in the Theos server...

Alr

hexed knot Oct 21, 2025, 11:11 AM

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magic hazel and even when it's not, generally when i'm dev logging it's at a time of day whe...

1 is a horrible reason

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Do not use discord as a place to store info

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What happens when you get banned or this server gets nuked or deleted

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 11:12 AM

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Yep fair enough

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It’s less of a permanent storage and more of idk a storage that’s convenient but I get your point and I do try and backup anything important to a better place, but obviously it’s not ideal for anyone here to have to wade through walls of my unfiltered thoughts

grim sparrow Oct 21, 2025, 11:49 AM

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hexed knot What happens when you get banned or this server gets nuked or deleted

ptsd

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 11:54 AM

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Does anyone know anything about Compiler-RT beyond the surface level

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 5:31 PM

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https://x.com/saltyAom/status/1980612011324240019?t=DF1XgGJUT60-cazgAIIX1Q&s=19

SaltyAom (@saltyAom)

Still one of the favorite things I made

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You know it's bad when I mistake a JS framework for being swiftui

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 8:08 PM

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the second or the first one 💀

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because both resemble swiftui-like pattens

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 10:21 PM

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https://x.com/BHolmesDev/status/1980654249068622196?t=vg7H2c_i-nglYQDbnBOayA&s=19

Ben Holmes (@BHolmesDev)

Hot take: If your git commit message has an "and" in it, it should probably be two commits

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 10:21 PM

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magic hazel the second or the first one 💀

The first one

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That's what people make fun of it for in my experience

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It's what I've seen

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 10:22 PM

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gentle grove The first one

ngl, the second is pretty simliar

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to swiftui

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but the first is too

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 10:22 PM

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Different parts of it I would think

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 10:22 PM

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the first looks like stacking issues, the second looks like chained modifier issues

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yep

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 10:23 PM

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not like you would be able to write the same code in both ways

magic hazel Oct 21, 2025, 10:23 PM

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nah bcus the first one is just "stack style" but its really not stacking

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but yeah nested code like that is a big swiftui issue

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this is why you split views into smaller views

wooden yarrow Oct 21, 2025, 10:37 PM

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gentle grove https://x.com/BHolmesDev/status/1980654249068622196?t=vg7H2c_i-nglYQDbnBOayA&s=1...

ok but what if I work on a feature, get sidetracked by another, then come back to that one then commit

light owl Oct 21, 2025, 10:38 PM

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gentle grove https://x.com/BHolmesDev/status/1980654249068622196?t=vg7H2c_i-nglYQDbnBOayA&s=1...

What if i fix one thing and then that in turn fixes another thing

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 10:39 PM

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light owl What if i fix one thing and then that in turn fixes another thing

you make two commits for the two changes

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 10:39 PM

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wooden yarrow ok but what if I work on a feature, get sidetracked by another, then come back t...

just stop having adhd

light owl Oct 21, 2025, 10:39 PM

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No i mean one fix fixes another thing along with what i was fixing originally

wooden yarrow Oct 21, 2025, 10:39 PM

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gentle grove just stop having adhd

fix: adhd

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 10:39 PM

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light owl No i mean one fix fixes another thing along with what i was fixing originally

The message usually shouldn't say what you fix, it should say what you did

light owl Oct 21, 2025, 10:39 PM

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Dont care

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 10:39 PM

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So you could fix two bugs by doing a single change

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Yhere wouldnt be an and

gentle grove Oct 21, 2025, 10:40 PM

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wooden yarrow ok but what if I work on a feature, get sidetracked by another, then come back t...

Usually I get creative with my usage of git add -p

wooden yarrow Oct 21, 2025, 10:40 PM

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perhaps

faint timber Oct 21, 2025, 10:56 PM

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dude thinks he's the git police

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 5:05 AM

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Anyone know why UIKit can't be run on a background thread

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It seems like an odd limitation

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Can SwiftUI be run on a background thread?

grim sparrow Oct 22, 2025, 6:09 AM

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magic hazel Anyone know why UIKit can't be run on a background thread

It’s a conscious design decision in favour of performance

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 6:09 AM

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grim sparrow It’s a conscious design decision in favour of performance

I see

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Well, interestingly, it's tanking my performance

grim sparrow Oct 22, 2025, 6:10 AM

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Then you’re doing it wrong

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 6:10 AM

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Well sadly Apple decided to make renderInContext CPU based

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And since it always runs on the main thread, it's causing immense slowdown

grim sparrow Oct 22, 2025, 6:14 AM

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There’s a lot of good Apple talks on how to optimise your app for this main thread model

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 6:15 AM

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Apple has never provided a non single threaded model for snapshotting the view in UIKit to my knowledge

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They themselves don't even use their API for it

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They use IOSurface

crisp frost Oct 22, 2025, 6:15 AM

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Just draw your app directly on the framebuffer and use kernel apis directly to get touch events

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approb

grim sparrow Oct 22, 2025, 6:15 AM

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https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/improving-app-responsiveness

Apple Developer Documentation

Improving app responsiveness | Apple Developer Documentation

Create a user experience that feels responsive by removing hangs and hitches from your app.

grim sparrow Oct 22, 2025, 6:16 AM

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magic hazel Apple has never provided a non single threaded model for snapshotting the view i...

That’s intentional

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 6:16 AM

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grim sparrow https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/improving-app-responsiveness

This does not take into account the fact that you're rendering a retina screen to a UIImage every frame on the main thread I've already read this, plus, it's for SwiftUI, no?

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And they basically just say

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"Go multithreaded"

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Which, no shit

grim sparrow Oct 22, 2025, 6:17 AM

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magic hazel This does not take into account the fact that you're rendering a retina screen t...

Oh then you’re doing it wrong

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You should thumbnail the image before presenting it

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If I understood they correctly

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Wait

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 6:17 AM

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?

grim sparrow Oct 22, 2025, 6:17 AM

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Why are you rendering to a uiimage

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 6:17 AM

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What I need is a realtime capture of the screen

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So that I can blur it

grim sparrow Oct 22, 2025, 6:18 AM

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There has to be better methods of blurring screen content than capturing it, blurring the image and then displaying the image

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 6:18 AM

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I would be happy to implement such a method

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However, I have spent a good deal of time searching

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If anyone knows one I will try it

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Remember that this is supposed to act like any regular UIBlurEffect

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So it has to dynamically reflect what's under it

grim sparrow Oct 22, 2025, 6:20 AM

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Have you looked into reverse engineering how uiblureffect works

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 6:20 AM

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I already have

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IOSurface

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They literally just reuse framebuffer from what I can see

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I have tried to implement their method

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However for whatever reason, video capture works, whereas image capture does not

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I tried to use RecordMyScreen as a jumping off point

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It works on iOS 7

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But not on iOS 6

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But video capture works on both

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It is very confusing why

frank fossil Oct 22, 2025, 8:27 AM

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magic hazel I already have

Blurring is prob done inside backboardd

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since itself is rendering the views, it can read the pixels and apply blur effect in place(?)

magic hazel Oct 22, 2025, 8:28 AM

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frank fossil since itself is rendering the views, it can read the pixels and apply blur effec...

Oh yeah true

gentle grove Oct 22, 2025, 11:22 PM

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crisp frost Just draw your app directly on the framebuffer and use kernel apis directly to g...

mineek ass solution

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You would do that

light owl Oct 22, 2025, 11:28 PM

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rt

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 4:41 AM

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Bro this cannot get any funnier

harsh junco Oct 23, 2025, 5:10 AM

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gentle grove You would do that

*in asm

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 7:51 AM

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Yk what’s funny

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Render in context brings my iPhone SE 2 to a halt when running 2 full res captures

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That’s how slow it is

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It’s truly a terrible API

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I wish they exposed their actual api

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:18 PM

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Okay I'm actually really confused

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When I dismiss my ViewController, my images are still held in memory

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I really don't understand why

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:37 PM

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magic hazel When I dismiss my ViewController, my images are still held in memory

Depending on where you’re presenting it, the container may still be holding a reference

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A view controller being dismissed != deallocated straight away

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:37 PM

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It NEVER gets deallocated

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:38 PM

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Like ever ever ever

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:38 PM

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never

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it literally memory leaked last night

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i left the sim on

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and it leaked

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it NEVER deallocs

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its the images

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:39 PM

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If you create a memory graph in Xcode can you see what’s holding a reference to your vc

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:39 PM

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its not the vc

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its the images

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inside

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also i tried that but i have no idea how to navigate the graph

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:39 PM

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But then surely if the images are inside your vc somehow there’s a reference somewhere

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otherwise they’re not in your vc

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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example of one

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Idk what's happening in here

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I can see a bunch of stuff that i know about in isolation but idk how it's connected or how to read the graph

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:43 PM

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They’re relationships

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Every arrow indicates something holding a reference to it

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:43 PM

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Wtf

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😭

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That looks like every single reference that could be possibly held is still being held

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:44 PM

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It suggests that the vc that had these views still exists in memory

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Yes

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But it isn't i dont thin

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I only see 1 viewcontroller in memory

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:45 PM

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So either:

One of your views is holding a reference as part of the view controller life cycle
Your view is being leaked in some way

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:45 PM

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i thought it was this but i got rid of this

func setupWebsocketWatchers() {
        let center = NotificationCenter.default
        observers.append(center.addObserver(forName: .messageCreate, object: nil, queue: .main) { [weak self] notification in
            self?.createMessage(notification: notification as NSNotification)
        })
        observers.append(center.addObserver(forName: .messageDelete, object: nil, queue: .main) { [weak self] notification in
            self?.deleteMessage(notification: notification as NSNotification)
        })
        observers.append(center.addObserver(forName: .messageUpdate, object: nil, queue: .main) { [weak self] notification in
            self?.updateMessage(notification: notification as NSNotification)
        })
    }
    
    deinit {
        for observer in observers {
            NotificationCenter.default.removeObserver(observer)
        }
        
        print("✅ DMViewController deinitialized")
    }```

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also it DEFINITELY deinits

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but the messageviews don't

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the vc itself does

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idk what on earth is talking to the messageviews

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deinit {
        unloadHeavyContent()
        print("Deinit!")
    }```

this never runs

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https://github.com/JWIMaster/MakingADiscordAPI/blob/master/MakingADiscordAPI/View Controllers/DMViewController.swift

GitHub

MakingADiscordAPI/MakingADiscordAPI/View Controllers/DMViewControll...

Contribute to JWIMaster/MakingADiscordAPI development by creating an account on GitHub.

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this is the vc

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:49 PM

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Line 164 165?

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:49 PM

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ah true

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ill test

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:50 PM

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I’m on mobile, wasn’t sure if I was missing a removeObserver somewhere

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That is the only issue I can see though from my scan through

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:51 PM

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nope

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still didnt goa way

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let center = NotificationCenter.default
        
        observers.append(center.addObserver(forName: UIResponder.keyboardWillShowNotification, object: nil, queue: .main) { [weak self] notification in
            self?.keyboardWillAppear(notification: notification as NSNotification)
        })
        
        observers.append(center.addObserver(forName: UIResponder.keyboardWillHideNotification, object: nil, queue: .main) { [weak self] notification in
            self?.keyboardWillDisappear(notification: notification as NSNotification)
        })```

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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Oh

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You remove the observers in deinit

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But deinit won’t be called until there are no references

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So it will never run

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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✅ DMViewController deinitialized

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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Really?

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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it does run

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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what

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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yep

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it runs

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lol

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it 100% runs

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the gesture recogniser gets dealloced too wtaf is going on

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😭

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its not even my websocket

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i am actually completely lost here

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attachment.fetch { [weak self] content in
            guard let self = self else { return }
            guard let image = content as? UIImage else { return }
            
            let imageView = UIImageView(image: image)
            imageView.contentMode = .scaleAspectFit
            imageView.translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = false
            let originalSize = image.size
            let aspectRatio = originalSize.height / originalSize.width

            self.messageAttachments = imageView
            
            self.messageContent.addArrangedSubview(imageView)
            NSLayoutConstraint.activate([
                imageView.leadingAnchor.constraint(equalTo: self.messageContent.leadingAnchor),
                imageView.trailingAnchor.constraint(equalTo: self.messageContent.trailingAnchor),
                imageView.heightAnchor.constraint(equalTo: imageView.widthAnchor, multiplier: image.size.height / image.size.width)
            ])
            self.setNeedsLayout()
            self.layoutIfNeeded()
        }```

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i run weak self on literally everything

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nothing should be retained

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 8:58 PM

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Does this happen every time

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Or just during tests

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Like

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It’s a rare issue or constant

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 8:58 PM

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always

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bruh the fucking stack view isnt getting removed

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what on earth is still referencing the stack view

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😭

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yeah okay so removing the stackview on deinit solves most of the issues but there's still stuff left over

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i do not want to resort to manual cleanup though

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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If you’re still stuck when I wake up I’ll have a proper look with a fresh head

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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magic hazel i do not want to resort to manual cleanup though

This really shouldn’t be needed

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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i know

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chatgpt's only solution is "oh nil out all contents"

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like fuck right off

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thats not fixing the problem

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its a bandaid

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useless ahh

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:03 PM

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Possibly a dumb question, but do you have unit tests for your old iOS UIKit layer to verify it’s not an issue with that somewhere

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I see references to if available iOS 7

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 9:05 PM

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grim sparrow Possibly a dumb question, but do you have unit tests for your old iOS UIKit laye...

i dont do unit tests

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what layer?

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:05 PM

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Didn’t you write a library that lets you use new uikit apis on older devices

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I don’t think I’m going insane I swear you did this like 2 weeks ago

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I’m just spitballing, this is a really odd issue

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:07 PM

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magic hazel i dont do unit tests

I would high recommend going forward, being saved by good tests is so fun

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 9:07 PM

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grim sparrow Didn’t you write a library that lets you use new uikit apis on older devices

yeah i did

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rn im literally using actual apis tho

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i thought it was that

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i changed deploy target to max

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so it auto gets rid of those

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😭

wooden yarrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:09 PM

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grim sparrow I would high recommend going forward, being saved by good tests is so fun

my sep module extractor has been saved countless times from a breaking change due to me running it on all versions of sepfws

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!

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:09 PM

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I’ll have another look tomorrow when I’m not hazy af, it’s most likely something really annoying (my favourite)

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:10 PM

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wooden yarrow my sep module extractor has been saved countless times from a breaking change du...

That’s basically a unit test

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 9:10 PM

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grim sparrow I’ll have another look tomorrow when I’m not hazy af, it’s most likely something...

woeis

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:10 PM

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Memory leaks are my favourite issue to debug icl

wooden yarrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:10 PM

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grim sparrow That’s basically a unit test

i really should start making tests for specific functions though

grim sparrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:11 PM

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Sure, it can help give you more granular results, but the end result would be the same

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Fwiw this has been on my to do list for so long at work and I’m slowly increasing our test coverage

wooden yarrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:11 PM

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grim sparrow Memory leaks are my favourite issue to debug icl

in c if you don't free it's a memory leak but if you do it too much it's a double free and thus it's always better to keep memory leaks QED
troll

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 9:12 PM

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i hate memory leaks

wooden yarrow Oct 23, 2025, 9:12 PM

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magic hazel i hate memory leaks

the amount of time i've spent trying to debug memory issues on dsc though

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without a proper debugging setup

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pain

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NSLog(@"") was basically my only tool

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and also top

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM

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maybe its my constraint system...? nah it cant be its using real constraints

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well

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i found the culprit

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its inputview

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i just dont know why

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i dont know what inside of inputview is calling it

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 9:46 PM

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if i make snapshotview a weak var it fixes the issue

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📎 message.txt

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i think thats not a hack

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i think thats actually reasonable

magic hazel Oct 23, 2025, 10:40 PM

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lol yeah i know why

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snapshot view is literally owned already

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so if i dont make it a weak var itll cause a retain cycle

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bruh im a dumb ass

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also i didnt put weak self in the addaction closure so it was going to be retained either way

magic hazel Oct 24, 2025, 12:20 AM

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okay so memory leaks have been avoided

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mostly

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however

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there's 5mb of god knows what that WILL not disappear and i'm unsure how to find it

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it keeps building up on every reopen

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possible thoughts?

grand hawk Oct 24, 2025, 3:38 AM

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@magic hazel

light owl Oct 24, 2025, 10:15 PM

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@native dune Is it working

native dune Oct 24, 2025, 10:15 PM

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Yeah

solar wing Oct 25, 2025, 2:55 AM

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faint lionBOT Oct 25, 2025, 3:07 AM

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C6 Bank

You can use vnodebypass!

Note

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dusk cove Oct 25, 2025, 3:07 AM

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faint lion

@solar wing

mighty smelt Oct 25, 2025, 7:01 AM

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Hey, if i wanted to develop small personal tweaks e.g. stop my phone from vibrating when my watch is not connected to it; where could i learn that

tepid olive Oct 25, 2025, 7:02 AM

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mighty smelt Hey, if i wanted to develop small personal tweaks e.g. stop my phone from vibrat...

!t becomejbdev

faint lionBOT Oct 25, 2025, 7:02 AM

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Hey @mighty smelt, have a look at this!

becomejbdev

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timid furnace Oct 25, 2025, 7:33 AM

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that is intended toward developing jailbreaks themselves

magic hazel Oct 25, 2025, 8:48 AM

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mighty smelt Hey, if i wanted to develop small personal tweaks e.g. stop my phone from vibrat...

if you haven't programmed in a c based language before i would say start with the first few videos in the stanford objective c course, it's quite good. after that, take a look at Theos, and it's tutorials, it's pretty easy to get a hold of after you learn objective c.

grim sparrow Oct 25, 2025, 4:12 PM

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@visual meadow do you have any neat/cool way of doing XPC between a troll store app and an executable spawned by that trollstore app. I can't use standard xpc mach services because that relies on the daemon being spawned by launchd.

Is there any dumb fuckery I can do

cloud yacht Oct 25, 2025, 7:31 PM

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stdin/stdout?

grim sparrow Oct 25, 2025, 7:35 PM

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cloud yacht stdin/stdout?

The daemon can be connected to by numerous clients at once

cloud yacht Oct 25, 2025, 7:36 PM

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but will it realistically do that?

grim sparrow Oct 25, 2025, 7:36 PM

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Yes

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That’s the whole point of offloading the core logic to daemon

cloud yacht Oct 25, 2025, 7:41 PM

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OK my next best idea is some sort of socket

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Idk if you can make Unix sockets but otherwise just open a port

frank fossil Oct 25, 2025, 9:05 PM

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grim sparrow <@227157716106346497> do you have any neat/cool way of doing XPC between a troll...

You can just use bootstrap_check_in to register your mach service

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launchd is just the one reserving the Mach name for you so others can’t impersonate, if you have a name that’s not reserved you can freely register it

grim sparrow Oct 25, 2025, 9:10 PM

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frank fossil You can just use `bootstrap_check_in` to register your mach service

Woah really? That’s incredible

visual meadow Oct 25, 2025, 9:27 PM

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grim sparrow <@227157716106346497> do you have any neat/cool way of doing XPC between a troll...

Sorry I was late to this but Duys solution is best

grim sparrow Oct 25, 2025, 9:43 PM

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I’ll try it in the morning if that works it’ll be such a life saver

frank fossil Oct 25, 2025, 11:36 PM

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You can even register your process’s task port for fun

native dune Oct 25, 2025, 11:46 PM

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@light owl is it working

light owl Oct 25, 2025, 11:46 PM

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native dune <@757263553219788850> is it working

Im trying

versed wasp Oct 26, 2025, 4:22 AM

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Does Apple place a limit on how many times an app can toggle the flashlight in one second?

grim sparrow Oct 26, 2025, 7:17 AM

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versed wasp Does Apple place a limit on how many times an app can toggle the flashlight in o...

Your app has to be in the foreground, I think thats the limit

dusk cove Oct 26, 2025, 7:30 AM

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versed wasp Does Apple place a limit on how many times an app can toggle the flashlight in o...

what could you possibly be trying to do

gentle grove Oct 26, 2025, 7:31 AM

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serial communication via flashlight 🔥

grim sparrow Oct 26, 2025, 7:33 AM

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@frank fossil should I be running bootstrap_check_in before or after starting my NSXPCListener?

frank fossil Oct 26, 2025, 7:38 AM

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grim sparrow <@712923899142078464> should I be running bootstrap_check_in before or after sta...

Chance that it might have been called internally, try setting it up without calling bootstrap_check_in and see if other processes can find it

grim sparrow Oct 26, 2025, 7:39 AM

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its doing something

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Without doing check in I get

[Aemulo] Error With Service: Error Domain=NSCocoaErrorDomain Code=4099 "The connection to service named com.amywhile.aemulod was invalidated: failed at lookup with error 3 - No such process." UserInfo={NSDebugDescription=The connection to service named com.amywhile.aemulod was invalidated: failed at lookup with error 3 - No such process.} after trying to get the remote proxy object

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But if I do it with bootstrap_check_in before starting the listener (and after) the call to remoteObjectProxy in the client becomes blocking

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and will continue to block until I kill the daemon

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so its doing something

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Aemulo here is my client app.
aemulod is the daemon, which is just spawned with posix_spawn from inside Aemulo and runs setsid so it can become long lived

aemulod is whats starting the listener, and I want to be able to connect to it from the aemulo app

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- (BOOL) listener:(NSXPCListener *) listener shouldAcceptNewConnection:(NSXPCConnection *) newConnection; is just never being called in the daemon it seems. theres a strong reference to the listener and the daemon is alive (-[NSRunLoop run])

frank fossil Oct 26, 2025, 7:49 AM

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What if you use C API instead (eg xpc_connection_create_mach_service)?

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also this might be related

grim sparrow Oct 26, 2025, 7:54 AM

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gimme a sec to setup the c api version. just for clarity, bootstrap_check_in does succeed.

Check in result: 0x00000000, Port: 6403

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~~wait i never return an output how does that compile without getting mad~~

grim sparrow Oct 26, 2025, 8:33 AM

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xpc_type_error (<OS_xpc_error: <dictionary: 0x211c39360> { count = 1, transaction: 0, voucher = 0x0, contents =
    "XPCErrorDescription" => <string: 0x211c394f8> { length = 18, contents = "Connection invalid" }

versed wasp Oct 26, 2025, 4:46 PM

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dusk cove what could you possibly be trying to do

Flashing it to emulate an incandescent to help calibrate a turntable

frank fossil Oct 27, 2025, 3:38 AM

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grim sparrow ``` xpc_type_error (<OS_xpc_error: <dictionary: 0x211c39360> { count = 1, transa...

You might want to also try xpc_connection_create_listener

copper sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 4:12 AM

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how do i install cycript?

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 7:55 AM

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frank fossil You might want to also try `xpc_connection_create_listener`

does this exist?

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I can't find it on apple docs or just even searching up the symbol on github

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oh nvm im really bad at searching

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neat

frank fossil Oct 27, 2025, 8:03 AM

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lmao

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:25 AM

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I'm basically at this point, I've tried commenting out the listener checkin (which is just an extension method). As soon as I call resume the connection fires the connection invalid method.

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 10:56 AM

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grim sparrow I'm basically at this point, I've tried commenting out the listener checkin (whi...

What does @convention do?

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 10:57 AM

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magic hazel What does @convention do?

it means that its types can be represented as swift types https://developer.apple.com/documentation/swift/using-imported-c-functions-in-swift

Apple Developer Documentation

Using Imported C Functions in Swift | Apple Developer Documentation

Learn how to call imported functions that are declared in a C header.

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 10:57 AM

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WHAT

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I thought you had to bridge 😭

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That would have been so useful when I was trying to fix the global dispatch queue

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:01 AM

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https://github.com/swiftlang/swift/blob/main/docs/ReferenceGuides/UnderscoredAttributes.md

GitHub

swift/docs/ReferenceGuides/UnderscoredAttributes.md at main · swif...

The Swift Programming Language. Contribute to swiftlang/swift development by creating an account on GitHub.

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this is honestly my favourite piece of swift documentation

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a bunch of shit that its in the language but not "public"

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@_marker is an incredibly nice one

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:02 AM

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WARNING: This information is provided primarily for compiler and standard library developers. Usage of these attributes outside of the Swift monorepo is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED.

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I am going to use this so much

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Actually, I've used one of these before. Before @lavish mirage was a thing, it was @_functionBuilder from memory, and back when I thought I was going to be stuck with Swift 5.1, I used it a decent bit

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:04 AM

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@_spi is actually really helpful and should just be public atp

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:04 AM

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Sorry result builder (why does it do that 😭 )

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:05 AM

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grim sparrow `@_spi` is actually really helpful and should just be public atp

It shouldn't even be a hidden type, it's has an actual, proper purpose

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@_unavailableFromAsync Will be useful when converting async await codebases

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:08 AM

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magic hazel ```@_unavailableFromAsync``` Will be useful when converting async await codebase...

what use case do you have for this?

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:08 AM

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grim sparrow what use case do you have for this?

Letting other people know that it’s not longer an asynchronous function

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:08 AM

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Swift 5.5 async await sucked balls, it only got good with Swift 5.10

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:09 AM

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grim sparrow Swift 5.5 async await sucked balls, it only got good with Swift 5.10

True

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Maybe one day I will backport the backport of concurrency

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:09 AM

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magic hazel Letting other people know that it’s not longer an asynchronous function

if you have this method

func example() async -> Int {
   return 3
}

and later change it to

func example() -> Int {
   return 3
}

the compiler will just warn the user, its not an error to use await on a function thats not async, just a warning

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if im understanding you correctly

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its also not an error to mark a function as async that makes no await calls

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but thats besides the point

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:10 AM

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Yes but the maintainer should have an easier time seeing

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:10 AM

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imo a warning would be a lot better than an error

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because its not code breaking

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error is for something that would cause a crash. this is just something for the compiler to optimise out

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:10 AM

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Calling await is a crash

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:11 AM

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at all?

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:11 AM

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Yep

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:11 AM

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see thats diff 😓

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:11 AM

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How is it supposed to resolve? Even the concurrency backport is built for iOS 13+, every single call is marked as iOS 13+ in semantics

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:12 AM

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see I keep forgetting that you're trying to backport software from iOS 13 to iOS 6

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thats just such an odd thing to do that these things never cross my mind

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:12 AM

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Fair enough

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Also I swear I see @_exported used so much

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Why is it not public?

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:13 AM

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a lot of these are just sat in proposal hell

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@_implementationOnly import Thesis was only just added in Swift 6.0 as internal import Thesis

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and in Swift 6.2 internal import is the new default

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currently the default is public import

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:14 AM

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Why did it change I liked it being public

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:14 AM

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makes more sense imo

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:15 AM

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But it’s been that way forever

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:15 AM

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everything was done that way forever until it wasn't

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it makes a lot of sense for package developers

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If I'm writing an SDK and I import an internal library that we use, if I publicly import the library then it is exposed in the SDK docs. If I internally import the library then it is hidden from the public interface and its symbols are stripped

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:17 AM

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I mean I’m not saying internal imports don’t have a place they definitely do

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But making it the default?

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 AM

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for 99% of people it won't matter and they won't even notice

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its only really gonna matter for sdk devs

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 AM

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I feel like swift 6 has added a whole bunch of rules that are going to bit me in the ass when I eventually port it and switch to it

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:18 AM

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yup

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:19 AM

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Yk whats funny, even by swift 5.6 there are warnings about “this will be an error in swift 6”

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:19 AM

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It's a bunch of rules to force you to write code correctly

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the vast majority of the errors/warnings it throws are about stopping race conditions

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 AM

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Does it stop me from doing a dispatch race condition

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Or is it just swift concurrency

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 AM

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magic hazel Does it stop me from doing a dispatch race condition

Sometimes

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 AM

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grim sparrow Sometimes

What no….

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 AM

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it will error if you try and send a non thread safe object to a different thread

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:21 AM

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Oh that’s okay… I think

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:21 AM

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if your object isn't marked as sendable and you throw it into a closure that is marked as @escaping

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it will yell at you

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because thats a potential RC

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:21 AM

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Oh

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That IS a problem

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All my completion handlers are escaping

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:22 AM

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@escaping means this closure can be called at any time on any thread

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:22 AM

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Yes I know

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Sendable means accessible from any thread

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However generally I don’t touch sendable or mainactor as they’re part of swift concurrency

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:22 AM

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technically it more means that its safe to pass this object between threads, not that its safe to access from any thread

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well

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for value types it means you can pass this data between threads

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:22 AM

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grim sparrow _technically_ it more means that its safe to pass this object between threads, n...

Yeah yeah in the name, “sendable”

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:22 AM

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for object types it means it can be accessed from any thread

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:23 AM

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However I don’t generally end up following the best code practices often as my code bases are a mixture of very modern and legacy patterns sometimes

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Generally it’s UIKit that shoots me in the foot sometimes, and it’s never really the things you notice

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It’s small things, like “isdateintoday” being iOS 7+, or the global(qos) api beinf 8+, both of which i did end up patching in with no issues

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:25 AM

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Swift 6 is actually pretty good at forcing you to do UIKit properly because it will yell at you if you do anything not from the main actor

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:25 AM

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grim sparrow Swift 6 is actually pretty good at forcing you to do UIKit properly because it w...

Yikes I’m cooked, funny how Apple provides you methods to implement your own asynchronous ui

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Plus, Facebook made their own asynchronous UIKit, apparently it’s very fast

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:25 AM

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magic hazel Yikes I’m cooked, funny how Apple provides you methods to implement your own asy...

those methods will not yell at you

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they're specifically marked that way

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:26 AM

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I see

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:26 AM

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but its things like view.addSubview(_ view: UIView)

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that are marked as @MainActor

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:26 AM

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I wonder why UIKit isn’t asynchronous or why it couldn’t be because I’ve seen a LOT of ui libraries that are with no issues at all, I get the idea behind it but it’s a bit flawed

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Is SwiftUI asynchronous?

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:26 AM

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you know what im gonna say to that

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:27 AM

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Look, it does make the app more predictable but man is it ever constraining

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Especially when so much of UIKit is CPU bound, that’s really the part that gets to me

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:28 AM

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magic hazel I wonder why UIKit isn’t asynchronous or why it couldn’t be because I’ve seen a ...

I actually watched a really good wwdc talk on this that explained it perfectly but I can't for the live of me find it

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it was like an hour long presentation with a bunch of useful slides and graphs

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and since I watched it and understood it I've never questioned it again

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:28 AM

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I watched the grand central dispatch one and it made me fall in love with it ever since

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It was the iOS 8 one

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:29 AM

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It was around wwdc2021 when pro motion came to the iphones and the whole point was how to get your app running at 120hz

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:29 AM

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grim sparrow It was around wwdc2021 when pro motion came to the iphones and the whole point w...

Oh shit yeah that would be a struggle

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:30 AM

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its actually not though

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think about it. as phones got higher refresh rates, they got better cpus and gpus

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:30 AM

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Especially since like I said before so much of UIKit is cpu bound when in reality it should be handled by the gpu

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Quick question, whats the difference between UIWebView and WKWebView fundamentally

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:32 AM

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https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10252/

Apple Developer

Make blazing fast lists and collection views - WWDC21 - Videos - Ap...

Build consistently smooth scrolling list and collection views: Explore the lifecycle of a cell and learn how to apply that knowledge to...

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asynchronously loading new cells

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I remembre now

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I was watching it when making my discord client

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this one didn't explain uikit main thread but it was very helpful

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:33 AM

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grim sparrow https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2021/10252/

Is this iOS version bound or all iOS versions

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:33 AM

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a bit of both

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:33 AM

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grim sparrow I was watching it when making my discord client

Mmm I need this

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:33 AM

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it talks about 4 diff things you can do

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:34 AM

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Why is ui table view not deprecated

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:34 AM

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grim sparrow it talks about 4 diff things you can do

I see

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:34 AM

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magic hazel Why is ui table view not deprecated

why would it be

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:34 AM

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I’ll take a look, if one of them is preloading data that’s iOS 10+ sadly

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:34 AM

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grim sparrow why would it be

Because ui collection view does everything it does, but better

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:34 AM

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magic hazel I’ll take a look, if one of them is preloading data that’s iOS 10+ sadly

isn't ur whole thing backporting

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:35 AM

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magic hazel Because ui collection view does everything it does, but better

collection view adds some unnecessary complexity when its not needed

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:35 AM

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grim sparrow isn't ur whole thing backporting

It is, but something like that isn’t a mere extension. I could try, but I won’t be reimplementing UICollectionView as a whole. It’s always easier to backport something when it’s open source

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Speaking of which, is there any way to use FoundationNetworking on iOS

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:36 AM

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everything is open source if you know how to use ida

tender narwhal Oct 27, 2025, 11:36 AM

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iOS 26

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:36 AM

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iOS 27

tender narwhal Oct 27, 2025, 11:36 AM

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What

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:36 AM

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magic hazel Speaking of which, is there any way to use FoundationNetworking on iOS

Or core libs foundation

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:36 AM

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I know its possible to use CFNetwork

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because that was one of the only ways to do web sockets for the longest time

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:37 AM

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I need it’s URLSession implementation, I’m not happy with my own backport (this only occurred to me after I saw how much more advanced the source was)

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Maybe I could just copy paste it in…

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:38 AM

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what specific stuff are you looking to backport

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oh wait

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you'll love this, theres a piece of documentation in URLSession that is just wonderufl

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:40 AM

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Do show

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I hate how they say “build with the iOS 15 sdk”

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:41 AM

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https://developer.apple.com/documentation/technotes/tn3151-choosing-the-right-networking-api#WebSocket

Apple Developer Documentation

TN3151: Choosing the right networking API | Apple Developer Documen...

Learn which networking API is best for you.

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:41 AM

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Because that’s not really what you’re doing to have compatibility as much as you are targeting iOS 15

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:41 AM

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Unless you have a specific reason to use URLSession, use Network framework for new WebSocket code.

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they added the api and then in the same docs update added a note saying pls dont use me

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:41 AM

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💀

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:41 AM

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https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/731038

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and that forum post has the info why

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:41 AM

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Wild

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I don’t really want the websockets, those are iOS 13+

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And probably always will be since they’re built off swift concurrency

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:42 AM

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HA

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the current recommended lib to use doesn't use swift concurrency

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:42 AM

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That’s wild

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:43 AM

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well

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:43 AM

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That’s odd though, swift 5.10+ concurrency is excellent

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:43 AM

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NetworkConnection does

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but NetworkConnection is basically an async wrapper of NWConnection which is a Swift warpper of the C nw_connection_t

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:44 AM

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grim sparrow but `NetworkConnection` is _basically_ an async wrapper of `NWConnection` which ...

Welcome to all of swift foundation

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:44 AM

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but because NetworkConnectionis iOS 26.0+ it basically doesn't exist yet

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:44 AM

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💀

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:44 AM

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give it 5 years, then we can start using it

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:44 AM

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Ngl so much of foundation STILL just wraps objective c

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:45 AM

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interop

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:45 AM

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It’s annoying for me because those are the things that make it harder to use funnily enough

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When a type is purely in the stdlib it resolves itself

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I also need core libs foundation URLComponents, as they are iOS 7+ as well

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:47 AM

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grim sparrow but `NetworkConnection` is _basically_ an async wrapper of `NWConnection` which ...

I am not a big c programmer so forgive me, why is there a t on the end of everything?

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:49 AM

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I’m so gonna upset someone by not giving the exact reason from the c standards

By default you have to prefix the decl with struct or enum. So struct MyStruct val. The convention is to add the typedef so that MyStruct_t actually means struct MyStruct

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Makes things look neater

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:49 AM

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So it’s convention

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Got it

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:49 AM

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Yeah

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:50 AM

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Add it to the list of things I dislike about c ./j

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Ive become more receptive to C, C really Isnt so bad, it’s only bad when you try and use it to do things it was never built for

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:50 AM

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I’m pretty sure it’s one of the things clang tidy will scream at you over

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:51 AM

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If you look at C as a language that exists as a single layer abstraction over asm it’s place starts to make a whole lot more sense

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:52 AM

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I had a project that would always crash in release mode and I never figured out what the bug was, I just did everything clang tidy said and it stopped happening

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Oh and fwiw that project was in production for like 3 months

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 11:52 AM

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LOL

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Yeah okay so sadly most of that presentation was iOS 15+

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 12:10 PM

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magic hazel If you look at C as a language that exists as a single layer abstraction over as...

Honestly, yeah. I guess this is the effect of learning a high level language first and then going to low level looks awful

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I write a lot of C for embedded systems where it’s perfect

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Because the alternative is asm, which limits what chips I can run on

wooden yarrow Oct 27, 2025, 12:12 PM

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grim sparrow I write a lot of C for embedded systems where it’s perfect

my course uses C and i have to implement every dang data structure myself

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vexedtomato

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i cba to write 100 hashmap implementations

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 12:12 PM

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lol

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the code we get given doesn’t work

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88 compiler errors from the damn template code

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last week

wooden yarrow Oct 27, 2025, 12:14 PM

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"close enough" ass code

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 12:15 PM

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It was all just variable typos and stuff

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I think nearly all of the errors could be solved with Xcode’s auto suggestion

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and the reason is:
A: The code is never tested before it’s given to us
B: It’s quickly thrown together from multiple sources with the pray they all connect

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as opposed to just being written by the lecturer

frank fossil Oct 27, 2025, 2:02 PM

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grim sparrow I'm basically at this point, I've tried commenting out the listener checkin (whi...

Umm maybe I need to try it myself before telling you random stuff 😭
Btw have you tried something like -[NSXPCListener initWithMachServiceName:]?

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 2:03 PM

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That’s what I was trying initially

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I’m gonna experiment with just using Mach messages directly. I think the problem is I can’t give my xpc_connection the Mach port I get from check_in. So it’s just asking launchd and then launchd says no

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I could try looking at figuring out how to just hand the xpc_connection my Mach port, it is open source…

frank fossil Oct 27, 2025, 2:09 PM

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grim sparrow I could try looking at figuring out how to just hand the xpc_connection my Mach ...

I did look for undocumented APIs and there’s seemingly a way for it

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 2:10 PM

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I believe there has to be. In the docs for bootstrap_check_in it says it can be used for xpc

frank fossil Oct 27, 2025, 2:14 PM

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Before going to that way, I have another approach (can’t test as I only have a jailed device with me rn)

xpc_endpoint_t endpoint = xpc_endpoint_create(connection);
// (ignore the name, it’s only used internally to extract the port to pass it to iOS simulator’s launchd)
mach_port_t port = xpc_endpoint_copy_listener_port_4sim(endpoint);
bootstrap_register(bootstrap_port, "mach.service.name", port);

zealous prism Oct 27, 2025, 4:20 PM

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I’m developing a C++ UI library built with OpenGL, heavily inspired by SwiftUI’s declarative design. As a small showcase, I’ve even recreated a portion of the iOS lock screen using it.

harsh junco Oct 27, 2025, 5:44 PM

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zealous prism I’m developing a C++ UI library built with OpenGL, heavily inspired by SwiftUI’s...

why opengl
what cpp standard

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that’s very neat

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 5:55 PM

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harsh junco why opengl what cpp standard

it sucks that nothing has really replaced opengl in terms of support

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opengl is everywhere

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vulkan is pretty close to everywhere except on Apple :/

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directx is winblows

harsh junco Oct 27, 2025, 5:57 PM

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grim sparrow vulkan is pretty close to everywhere except on Apple :/

moltenvk?)

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not official but

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 5:58 PM

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its the best we've got

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hell if it was a system library i wouldnt care

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but having to bundle vulkan and moltenvk in apps is so infuriating and a major blocker for a lot of devs

harsh junco Oct 27, 2025, 5:59 PM

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grim sparrow but having to bundle vulkan and moltenvk in apps is so infuriating and a major b...

static lib troll

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 5:59 PM

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but every app has to statically link it

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so every app has to bundle it

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as opposed to just linking against /usr/lib/libMoltenVK.dylib

floral notch Oct 27, 2025, 7:57 PM

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yo, has anyone evaluated the landscape of objc_msgSend tracers in 2025? i used to use inspectiveC back in the old days and that one was great, but now my needs are different, in that it needs to work outside the jb ecosystem (and ideally x64 linux)

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 7:59 PM

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Frida is still a good option I use a lot

floral notch Oct 27, 2025, 8:00 PM

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i asked chatgpt and out of the options it gave me are:

https://github.com/johnno1962/SwiftTrace Seems like the only active English one, non-starter for me since its written in Swift
https://github.com/everettjf/AppleTrace Chinese one based on hookzz, which is based on frida-gum, codebase seems bloated
https://github.com/omxcodec/OCMethodTrace Chinese one written from scratch, and supports x64

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:01 PM

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grim sparrow Honestly, yeah. I guess this is the effect of learning a high level language fir...

Exactly. And for me, I just could not bring myself to start with C when I knew there was other, better solutions for what I wanted to achieve

floral notch Oct 27, 2025, 8:01 PM

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I'm inclined to go with the 3rd one, or yeah, just learn Frida

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:01 PM

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Well from looking at those 3, I can tell you that Frida is still actively being maintained and supports inspecting Windows, Linux and *OS

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:02 PM

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grim sparrow it sucks that nothing has really replaced opengl in terms of support

OpenGL is the C of graphics

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I doubt it will ever go away

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:03 PM

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magic hazel I doubt it will ever go away

It's marked as deprecated in *OS with a warning that it will be removed in a future release

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just not when or which release

hollow oar Oct 27, 2025, 8:03 PM

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harsh junco moltenvk?)

Indium (metal to vulkan)

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:03 PM

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(granted its been deprecated for like 5 years now)

floral notch Oct 27, 2025, 8:03 PM

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The only problem is frida is LGPL

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:03 PM

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It is so ubiquitous and has been ubiquitous for so long that I find it hard to believe it will ever truly be removed in full

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:04 PM

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The biggest reason to not use it on *OS is some of its calls are CPU rendered only. They stopped updating the GPU drivers for them

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so OpenGL is kinda fucked on recent apple silicon

floral notch Oct 27, 2025, 8:04 PM

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can't you use ANGLE?

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https://github.com/google/angle

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:04 PM

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That is true, depreciated in this circumstance kind of translates to "we won't update it anymore"

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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floral notch can't you use ANGLE?

yeah but you could use MoltenVK to get to Vulkan, and Vulkan is already on Windows and Linux natively

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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I am slightly confused at why though, Metal is much, much more low level than OpenGL is no?

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So is Vulkan

floral notch Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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MoltenVK is a nightmare to vendor in my experience

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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the overall point is that theres nothing that can universally replace OpenGL

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because there hasn't been another universal lib

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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Yep

floral notch Oct 27, 2025, 8:05 PM

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that's ANGLE, i would argue

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:06 PM

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magic hazel I am slightly confused at why though, Metal is much, much more low level than Op...

to an extent yes

floral notch Oct 27, 2025, 8:06 PM

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target openGL ES 3.0 and ride on the back of google chrome

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:06 PM

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I spoke with the graphics team at wwdc about this and straight up asked when they intended to remove it and they said they have no near plans

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and that they aren't in the business of breaking it right now, but they're not putting any work into it

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and their dirty fix is just offload a lot of it to cpu

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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Which in modern times is powerful enough

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Especially to run the legacy code you'd be running

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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Sucks when playing Minecraft with Shaders trol

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:07 PM

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grim sparrow Sucks when playing Minecraft with Shaders <:trol:831188670848565289>

True, true

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:08 PM

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grim sparrow and that they aren't in the business of breaking it right now, but they're not p...

That's the thing. What happened with Swift didn't happen with Metal. With Swift, by Swift 5 most companies and devs had moved past Objective C. With Metal however, there are STILL to this day MANY games released that are based on OpenGL

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:09 PM

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oh thats easy. its an incredible amount of dev work to just do metal

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:09 PM

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Yeah exactly

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:09 PM

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where you can do opengl and hit most of your games userbase on Windows

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the problem with metal is its so limited in terms of hardware, no game devs are actually going to use it

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:09 PM

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Purely because Metal is closed source and platform tied, why would you ever target it?

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Exactly

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:10 PM

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look at the steam hardware survey, macOS is 2% of Steam gamers. It's not a good econmincal move to go after that 2% when you could be putting your effort into the 98% and receive more gains

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Metal was dead from day 1 and I wish they'd just give up and bring Vulkan

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:11 PM

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I mean yes and no, their own UI stack does run quite well with metal vs opengl

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:11 PM

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Sure, but Apple is targeting 100% of the audience by doing that

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internally its fine

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:11 PM

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But for games, it's over

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It's just never going to catch on

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Vulkan is the future for low level graphics programming and has been for nearly a decade

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:13 PM

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Vulkans compatability from Wikipedia:

Android, Linux, BSD Unix, Windows, Nintendo Switch, Fuchsia, Raspberry Pi, vxWorks, QNX, HarmonyOS, OpenHarmony, Oniro, Haiku, Stadia, Tizen
Through portability workarounds: macOS, iOS

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like, wtf apple

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WHY

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even the Nintendo Fucking Switch has it

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:15 PM

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EVERYTHING has Vulkan, it's nearly as ubiquitous as OpenGL, it still has to get the minor things like smaller, hobby cards, but then again, even the fucking Raspberry Pi has it

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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the raspi isn't that big of a deal, its just a sbc running debian

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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grim sparrow the raspi isn't *that* big of a deal, its just a sbc running debian

It's more to say that the only reason Apple won't do it is because it directly competes with Metal

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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yeah

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:16 PM

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I wonder if Metal is actually slower than Vulkan

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:17 PM

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impossible to measure

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:17 PM

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Indeed

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Probably by design

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:17 PM

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but I would honestly assume Vulkan is better because it has a lot more people backing it

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:18 PM

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True, true, but Metal may be better on Apple's systems. I don't know if they have done any special stuff under the hood to make it better

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:18 PM

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Yeah

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I know Vulkan has all the methods of Metal, but there are a lot of features in Vulkan that has no equivalent in Metal. This is mostly from companies wanting a feature and it being generally a lot easier to do that with Vulkan compared to Apple with Metal

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:20 PM

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true

grim sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 8:20 PM

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I would think Vulkan would perform better if you were on a team that knew how to make use of all of these neat optimisations

harsh junco Oct 27, 2025, 8:25 PM

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magic hazel OpenGL is the C of graphics

js

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(In terms of memory)

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:25 PM

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lmao

magic hazel Oct 27, 2025, 8:49 PM

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grim sparrow I would think Vulkan would perform better if you were on a team that knew how to...

I started using your embedded Swift function method and now I use it everywhere

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It's awesome

gentle grove Oct 27, 2025, 10:23 PM

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grim sparrow _technically_ it more means that its safe to pass this object between threads, n...

i'm telling you guys, swift is literally rust but apple

copper sparrow Oct 27, 2025, 11:13 PM

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can i dump a private framework with frida?

hasty ruin Oct 27, 2025, 11:23 PM

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gentle grove i'm telling you guys, swift is literally rust but apple

because it sucks?

gentle grove Oct 27, 2025, 11:28 PM

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hasty ruin because it sucks?

No that's unrelated

tepid nacelle Oct 28, 2025, 6:08 AM

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grim sparrow Metal was dead from day 1 and I wish they'd just give up and bring Vulkan

i mean they just translate vulkan to metal

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it works pretty well

harsh junco Oct 28, 2025, 6:13 AM

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copper sparrow can i dump a private framework with frida?

You should get dsc and load it into ida/etc instead
You can use ipsw to get it

https://blacktop.github.io/ipsw/docs/guides/download

Download All The Things | ipsw

All the MANY ways and types of files you can download.

grim sparrow Oct 28, 2025, 7:26 AM

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tepid nacelle i mean they just translate vulkan to metal

Yes but we shouldn’t have to use a translation layer

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OR they should make it a system component

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Not something every developer has to fight with

tepid nacelle Oct 28, 2025, 7:27 AM

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grim sparrow Yes but we shouldn’t have to use a translation layer

its apple soooo

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good luck

frank fossil Oct 28, 2025, 10:07 AM

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grim sparrow OR they should make it a system component

they did made ANGLE a system component just for WebGL

magic hazel Oct 28, 2025, 11:30 AM

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grim sparrow OR they should make it a system component

Never 💀 the day that happens is the day we know Apple has lost it they would never do something like that

grim sparrow Oct 28, 2025, 11:58 AM

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magic hazel Never 💀 the day that happens is the day we know Apple has lost it they would n...

Hey 26.1 adds a disable Liquid Glass option

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Maybe they’re more receptive to just taking their L’s

magic hazel Oct 28, 2025, 12:02 PM

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grim sparrow Hey 26.1 adds a disable Liquid Glass option

Really??????

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Is it global

hasty ruin Oct 28, 2025, 12:02 PM

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I wanna see a battery comparison

magic hazel Oct 28, 2025, 12:03 PM

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I mean it’ll obviously be worse with it on but I guess it’s by how much

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I’m actually totally shocked they added that option

grim sparrow Oct 28, 2025, 12:19 PM

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magic hazel Is it global

Yeah

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grim sparrow Oct 28, 2025, 12:20 PM

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hasty ruin I wanna see a battery comparison

No measurable difference

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I think MacRumours did it

hasty ruin Oct 28, 2025, 12:20 PM

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Okay well I want a comparison for if I were to update from Monterey 🧌

grim sparrow Oct 28, 2025, 12:21 PM

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Oh I saw a comparison between a bunch of versions

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Tahoe is categorically the worst except on the M3 MBA

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(Somehow)

zealous prism Oct 28, 2025, 1:29 PM

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harsh junco why opengl what cpp standard

Hey, I'm glad you liked it! I chose OpenGL it seem very beginner friendly as I daily drive linux so no DirectX and Vulkan seems quite daunting but maybe someday :)

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I'm using cpp 17, no particular reason as such, should I upgrade to 21?

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https://github.com/Shadow67a/silver heres the github, do note that the code can be quite messy and unoptimized, this is my first time working on a project of this scale

GitHub

GitHub - Shadow67a/silver: An openGL ui library.

An openGL ui library. Contribute to Shadow67a/silver development by creating an account on GitHub.

marble perch Oct 28, 2025, 2:15 PM

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grim sparrow Tahoe is categorically the worst except on the M3 MBA

Hows sequoia on the M5 mbp

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troll

grim sparrow Oct 28, 2025, 2:37 PM

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marble perch Hows sequoia on the M5 mbp

lol

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(legendary hayden sighting in chat)

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I honestly haven't minded being on tahoe that much, a lot of the bugs people are whining about I've had on previous macOS versions so I don't think its fair to blame it on Tahoe, but it would be fair to blame it on poor management from Apples side

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Putting all the engineering effort into useless AI rather than actually improving the core experience, but thats another story

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my battery life has always been really shit on my macbooks, because all I do with them is programming, typically on quite large projects. Constantly recompiling and running tests just obliterates the battery. The only time the battery life is good is when I'm just watching stuff but I only do that when I'm next to a bunch of chargers

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I definitely don't help my case for battery life