off-topic

[torpid relic]

thanks

[smoky rapids]

Watermelon sucked 🫏 🥜.

Could only taste a "sharp" bite from the 16% but that was it.

Literally no flavor.

[civic quarry]

i regret clicking that reply 😄 lol

sugar bombs

[amber sparrow]

Hawk landed right in front of the truck

[wanton coral]

Please does anyone know how I get rid of these horrible colours

I don't get why because its set to the old pink

[vapid tinsel]

Turn off the overlay.

[wanton coral]

nah I like the FPS counter

[amber sparrow]

@wary holly is a power rtss user and might know

[vapid tinsel]

I bet Matty knows.

[amber sparrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vapid tinsel]

Or maybe not.

[wary holly]

@wanton coral

[amber sparrow]

Knew to tag in the big guns

[vapid tinsel]

Pew Pew Pew

[wanton coral]

my god thank you. Back to how it should be

interestingly I updated GPU usage and it changed all of them so maybe its bugged

[vapid tinsel]

PINK detected!

[wanton coral]

It used to be like that by default but then they changed it for some reason

[amber sparrow]

As long as it's sorted, go team

[livid plover]

For good reasons lol. That pink be gaudy

I think i set mine to be fraps yellow

[terse helm]

that's worse in every possible way but you do you

[wanton coral]

pink is iconic

and more visible

[prisma dove]

Pink Floyd?

[vapid tinsel]

It's definitely not Huey Lewis.

[wanton coral]

What's with people in killing floor who will be running ahead of you then weld a door shut so you gotta unweld it again jeez

rude

[wheat karma]

getting their welding qualification

tough economy, gotta practice when you can

[wanton coral]

wdym?

[livid plover]

precisely

[amber sparrow]

idk i kinda dig the vibe

[wanton coral]

It needs to have a black stroke around the glyphs but the browser extension I used doesn't let me do that 🙁

how about dot matrix font

@ symbol is normal 🙁 Need to fix that

[copper pasture]

need that ms-dos VGA 437 font

[tall vapor]

pink? That's magenta

[full fern]

Hot pink for hot people! LOL

[wanton coral]

I got the glow working using text shadow property but CSS shadows look terrible. I can't find a way to fade them out or make them a gradient with alpha.

If I set it to a big shadow it looks like this:

[neon spoke]

I mean, when you're right you're right

[wanton coral]

Magenta looks pink to me

[steep kite]

anyone able to see the aurora?

[vapid tinsel]

Cloudy here. Sad.

[full fern]

Just residual light from the city over here. And Orion

Or maybe nothing LOL

[steep kite]

i've been getting very educated about space weather over the last hour

https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/communities/aurora-dashboard-experimental we're looking for this Bz number to get 0 or negative for us to be able to see things in NA it seems

the number representing the north/south orientation of the magnetic field (positive being northward, negative being southward)

according to this other space weather forum https://community.spaceweatherlive.com/topic/4210-x19-cme/page/35/, we are also apparently currently rotating through a 'flux rope'

so in other words...while in some ways conditions are optimal for incredible auroras over the US, other conditions are exactly the opposite of what they need to be. but there's a chance things will flip over the next few hours

[left heart]

keep an eye on the timestamps on the animated forecast on the swpc page, it doesn't have a very long lead time. typically under an hour

[harsh swan]

what ssd brands are good?

m.2

or categories within brands

[livid plover]

good being on performance or?

[harsh swan]

i have a wd black m.2 but its failed me so much

reliability and performance

[terse helm]

I have a wd black and it's fine?

I also have a sabrent

[harsh swan]

mines had a lot of failures

[livid plover]

i got a kingston KC3000, zoomie af

[harsh swan]

ssd related failures

[livid plover]

did you contact WD? they have excellent RMA/warranty

[harsh swan]

its out of warrenty

also its my only ssd

[terse helm]

well you picked a terrible time to go shopping for a new ssd

[livid plover]

the SSD picked a terrible time indeed

but sticking to the major brands and staying away from their budget lineup is a general decent starting point

'lest you end up picking a kingston NV1/NV2 and dealing with it's horrible reliability

[harsh swan]

any actual recs?

[tall vapor]

there aren't as many ssd brands as you think there are, anyway. The big name ones are either samsung or kioxia (and well, micron but they exited the consumer market)

koxia covers sandisk, wd, kingston and so on

but yup all depends on the specific SSD in question whether it good or not

[harsh swan]

why i said, also categories within brands

[terse helm]

if I had to buy a new m.2 ssd right now I'd probably buy either a WD SN850X (which I already have) or a Samsung 990 pro

[tall vapor]

if I had to buy a new m.2 ssd right now I'd prolly figure out how I'd offload data to somewhere else as to avoid doing that 😅

[livid plover]

size/budget?

[harsh swan]

1+ tb

reliability and performance > budget

[terse helm]

I see a 1TB Samsung 990Pro for €170

or 2TB for €240

[livid plover]

gen4/5 required or?

but if money doesn't matter much, i'd +1 samsung as they're good in most cases i hear

[terse helm]

slightly more if with heatsink

SSDs are basically the only thing I buy from Samsung yeah

[harsh swan]

1tb for 200 usd ;-;

[terse helm]

refer to this

[livid plover]

yeah, bad time to buy

[harsh swan]

idk waht you want me to do about that

i need an ssd

[livid plover]

buy a used one if too cheap for the new price

[terse helm]

yeah so you gotta pony up the dough lol

[tall vapor]

yeah I paid like 70€ (and that's inc tax) for my 2TB one

[terse helm]

had you had this idea 6 months ago it would've been a lot cheaper

blame openai

for spending more billions they don't have and can't make back

[tall vapor]

not just openai, the entire slop machine industry

[harsh swan]

?

[tall vapor]

oh no.

no.

don't buy one of the kingston nv series ones

[livid plover]

NO

[harsh swan]

tell me how to fix this or stop talking about it

you are adding nothing

[terse helm]

yes but openai specifically is the primary problem because they bought up most of the RAM fab wafer capacity

[livid plover]

buy used. or start earning money

[terse helm]

there is no fix, you're fucked and have to spend the money

or wait it out

[harsh swan]

then stop saying i shoulda been clairvoyant

[livid plover]

but you could outfit your machine shop in samsung machines too!

[harsh swan]

its not helping

[tall vapor]

or figure out if it's actually your ssd which is borked or if it's your 13th or 14th gen intel chip

[terse helm]

I'm just telling you why you're about to spend 200 bucks on 1TB of flash

[tall vapor]

in case you got one of those

[harsh swan]

im guessing i go for a hdd

until times change

[livid plover]

or look if sata SSD's are cheaper

going back to HDD is rooough with no SSD or enough RAM to work as cache

[tall vapor]

and you aren't on 13th or 14th intel, right?

[harsh swan]

arent sata ssds just the same thing but in a plastic box?

[livid plover]

kinda, but sata interface

[harsh swan]

i have a 5700x

amd

i thonk

[tall vapor]

the same nand that is like sold out everywhere so yeah sata ssds shot up in price too as plenty of manufacturers simply don't make them no more

like

at all

[harsh swan]

?

100 usd a tb

[tall vapor]

it's a bx500.... oh no

cache-less, terrible TBW...

[harsh swan]

k

[livid plover]

stop looking at the budget options if you value your data/performance/sanity

[tall vapor]

it's 100 usd a tb cause micron exited the consumer market and cause it's trash

😅

[harsh swan]

250 for 2tb isnt too bad

im trying to aim for 100 a tb

[tall vapor]

yup and now we're talking same price as an NVMe

[harsh swan]

m.2 were 200 a tb

hdds are 30 a tb

[tall vapor]

I can find them for 185€ for 2TB

[livid plover]

how's the secondhand market for a good quality SSD where you live?

[tall vapor]

m.2 NVMe that is

[harsh swan]

im not spending euros

[tall vapor]

well yeah but still with 249 usd yer gettin 2TB nvme

[harsh swan]

200 is 170 euro

250 is 213 euro

[livid plover]

if you're picky with money maybe just get a 240gb SSD for boot+speedy needed data and leave the rest on HDD for the time being

[tall vapor]

yup and I can find 2TB nvme ssd from known brands for 179€ which does include tax

point I'm trying to make is that no, NVMe SSDs aren't 200USD per TB

[harsh swan]

kingspec brand?

bad?

[livid plover]

no-name

[tall vapor]

kingspec is noname

[harsh swan]

b ut bad noname or ok noname?

[livid plover]

some have luck with them, some don't. roll your dice

[tall vapor]

one of the more respectable nonames, but still.... avoid unless it's like 50 bucks a TB and you got an excellent no questions asked return policy

[livid plover]

and no important data you store on it

[tall vapor]

well yeah always have backups of important data still applies that applies no matter the SSD you buy

known working backups at that

[harsh swan]

?

seems fine?

i dont think its cacheless?

[livid plover]

DRAMless and QLC memory, performs "ok" at a glance

bit low on the write endurance, only rated for 220TBW

but if it's just for the next few years till the market hopefully improves, i've seen worse suggestions. and you don't write enough to go near that rating in that period

[terse helm]

220TBW is insane compared to the SAS flash drives I bought a while ago

which are rated for 1 drive write per day over 5 years, so 3500TBW

[livid plover]

that's budget flash for ya

[terse helm]

of course what happened to the prices of those recently is not fun

[livid plover]

pfft only 3x increase

[terse helm]

bought two of them right before that jump upwards lol

[harsh swan]

general question, if i connect a second harddrive, can i just drag files on to it like a flashdrive?

no wonky stuff?

[sudden adder]

Yeah, just drag the files/folders to it.

[tight turret]

I've tried to give a good appearance but what can I do, the audience is still quiet

[amber sparrow]

stream success isnt like field of dreams where "if you build it they will come"

[livid plover]

needs more time spent building community/having non-live content. videos/vods on youtube, shorts, content elsewhere that isn't just live stream. community discord server or similar to hang out with regulars

[civic quarry]

i have so many individal discords though it can be annoying at times

[opaque halo]

Engagement - on and off stream is a big thing. Can just smash that go-live and expect people to just show up. It's like opening a restaurant and expecting people to just wander in without knowing it's there.

[prisma dove]

Having opened new restaurants, it is exactly like that

[terse helm]

what mic is that

[tight turret]

it's a package with a soundbox for 20$

[terse helm]

you're almost certainly using it wrong

with only very few exceptions (mostly vintage sennheiser) mics shaped like that listen from the front, not the top

so rotate it 90°

refer

[wanton coral]

One of the killing floor servers I joined has their MOTD as "we fuckin hate women"

Found the incel server 😂

[carmine ibex]

Well, the ratings now are very conservative
Idk about back then

You can expect like 3x+ more than the rating

Probably not too much difference on how conservative it is, though
Just got lower over time..
Ah, QLC... yep, there we go
That'll like halve the amount

[terse helm]

well they're both currently at 0% used

[livid plover]

my ancient 120GB about to hit 50% indicate life left

rated 64TBW, written 82TB

[tight turret]

it would look wider if i used it correctly, but it still works fine though

[terse helm]

I mean sure but its dead spot is right where your mouth is

[lyric zinc]

I mean as if you telling the AI to have a specific characteristric trait and say "pretend to be a dick" it will see the word "dick" and ommit that comment that you instructed it to do

but that could just be on the free version

and that was mainly for the text version as well, it wouldn't speak to me like that unfortunately no matter how hard I tried so I think I need to go through the API for that.

[full fern]

That's kinda funny its sensitive to something so mild.

[lyric zinc]

but I'm at the point to where I don't have time anymore and I will have to pay someone to do it to get it done

[neon spoke]

Free version of Gemini says it will do it.

ChatGPT 5+ also says it can swear, again it needs the user's permission to do so, basically. That includes the voice mode(s).

[livid plover]

anything to asskiss please the user

[neon spoke]

It's a blessing and a curse. A statistical inference engine that's only statistically right if the Internet is 🤪

[livid plover]

it tells the user what they want to hear so they stay subscribed 🙂

[neon spoke]

...which, when one puts it that way, it really does beg the question, why did they ever think this was a good idea and it's because they started by devouring Stackoverflow and could only go down from there

You know, maybe I wanna do a similar thing. I could tee up ChatGPT to "Pretend to be my therapist" and use voice mode on-air so folks could see VERY QUICKLY why it's a realy bad idea to use ChatGPT as a therapist 🫠

brb I'm going to get myself blacklisted by "AI" companies

[livid plover]

grok would never-

if you want the bad therapist experience you don't even need to stoop to AI-level, you can just use BetterHelp!

[full fern]

I'm placing my bets it will take less than 24 hours for it to tell you that you're god.

[neon spoke]

I mean, how do I know I'm not? If I am, I am doing a terrible job, and I'm sorry.

srsly tho, LLMs can be handy for search and simple stuff, but I'd trade it back if it meant RAM costs would go back down

[prisma dove]

If anyone wants the bad therapist experience, by number is 1-800-TCH-GRAS

[full fern]

How dare you design the human body this way. The sewage outlet is right next to the playground!

[prisma dove]

No, that's the good therapist number

[neon spoke]

Look, I sign a lot of approvals all day, okay, I don't have time to really look them over. I trust my people okay?!

I'm sure there's a good reason

[full fern]

Outsourcing, ugh.

[neon spoke]

Hey it worked for Colonels Blake and Potter!!

[full fern]

Oh god, Thades knows I'm old enough to get that joke. LOL

[lyric zinc]

hmm weird, whenever I was trying to do stuff with it and using swear words, it was ignoring what I said with the swear words, I didn't experiment with it too much though because it didn't matter if it swore to me, I just wanted it to be a dick. It just seemed to not understand "be a dick" means I guess. Something like that

it was the same with ass hole haha

[livid plover]

i think the word you're looking for would be rude

[prisma dove]

If you want an AI to be a method actor, give it material to emulate. Maybe show it a movie with a character resembling the type of person you want it to act like

[livid plover]

(or a better AI that does as you tell it to, sheesh, what is this, the skynet uprising?)

[lyric zinc]

yeah I had to use a mix of different words

[devout siren]

VLC bug reports have too many requirements.

MPV FTW!

[neon spoke]

I mean, have you tried telling it directly to use swears? It gives back what you give it.

[silver fable]

I asked for winning lottery numbers. It did not comply.

[prisma dove]

Skynet holding back on you, Xor.

[left mulch]

@pearl solar advertising is not allowed here

[civic quarry]

leme get that t3 terminator after me plz 🙏

[paper saffron]

Question in the room to any coder, does anyone have an opinion on the qwen3-coder 19GB 30B Parameter model? I am trying it and it seems to generate pretty functional stuff...

[karmic tiger]

my opinion is, learn to write your own code instead?

[paper saffron]

Well I started using it to start learning c++, I asked it to write a code UI widget in HTML5 and my thinking is that it can deliver stuff that I could optimize with my knowledge

[copper pasture]

the answer is the same as with any of these models. if you don't already know how to code pretty well you will have a hard time. using it to learn stuff can be an absolute casino that will put you on the wrong track if you're not capable of already discerning correct from incorrect

[livid plover]

+1 to learning by AI is likely setting yourself up for failure or reliance on it for everything

[paper saffron]

Well I tried with another tool to create a little Qt/C++ application that actually only reads RAM Usage and CPU Times, it has a drawer issue with QPaint in some circumstances as I might not handle stuff correctly but it is mostly functional. But it helped me a lot to state variables and functions with the right variable types as I am not used to do this in JS, PHP.

[livid plover]

did you learn why you'd pick a double over an int then?

[maiden yoke]

local models probably work better as "autocomplete" than actually using them to write large chunks of code

[paper saffron]

with double I get precision and with int I get performance if I don't require accuracy

[copper pasture]

if you want to learn something but you're asking the llm to generate code for you, you're not really going about it the right way. syntax is very easy to learn, that's not the point of learning a language

[paper saffron]

Well I have written Javascript and PHP mostly wrapped in AJAX and I am running into different issues in C++ and UI handling as I noticed that it is handled differently and I just know that I pass the Interface in a very Quick and Dirty way. Therefore it crashes.

[karmic tiger]

therefore you should learn how to do it proper

[copper pasture]

I don't think you're actually learning anything, you're just having the llm generate something and you don't know why it's not actually good

and the answer to that is not to wonder if the llm has enough billions of parameters

[paper saffron]

Well thats the biggest thing I can run on my VM, I could try to run the 32GB model, but I don't know if I am really going to have much improvement due to better quantisation/precision. I was kind of surprised what it spits out if you ask 2-3 questions, even telling it what the actuall issue is, I didn't check the whole code yet but I was impressed that the example generating an editable code block was only 149 Lines long including html tags and comments.

The only issue is the visual alignment, as the LLM doesn't know how it looks like in different browsers.

[livid plover]

just tell it to fix that issue, vibe coding is ez 🌟

[paper saffron]

Thanks for your opinions, I apreciate it 👍

[paper saffron]

Btw. the first project will be a port from AJAX / SQL to C++ / Qt / SQL and hopefully MongoDB and I will have to learn Qt UI far bether than now, and I am setting the stakes high as I want to match the second as close as possible to get accurate I/O numbers for performance monitoring (SystemIO Loop CPU/RAM Reading is at 2ms, sometimes in the microsecond area).

The main reason I chose C++ was not it's beauty, more the laziness to not need to additionally manage memory. I am very sure that I will need time to learn Qt far better to sync it properly. But learning takes time...

[neon spoke]

It does take time. That's part of it. And these LLMs can be useful in speeding up search and popping out simple functions, but they're statistical inference engines...meaning if there's a mistake most folks make, it's going to make them. And if it's something that nobody's done, it's very likely going to confidently get it very wrong.

They're useful tools for experienced engineers and a trap for new folks. Don't fall into the trap. Seems like folks don't learn as well when they do something new with an LLM kinda doing most of it for them, so use it as an occassional springboard and otherwise just Push Forward. Folks that know C/C++ are extremely valuable across the industry, so if you're enjoying it, don't let the LLM do it for you. You will do a better job, I promise you.

[livid plover]

or fine for quickly whipping up some throw-away tool, on the premise you can verify it's output/result suffciently

[paper saffron]

Well I use it as I learn visually and I am at the beginning of my journey, I had to adapt stuff as well and actually I am happy to get easy functions that I can read and understand.
To match the second with higher precision I would add another mathematical approach including averages of previous x executions to get as close as possible.
Using Qt I read something using signals and slots, that should be my next chapter 😂

But I asked it for different stuff just to see how it looks like, as I wanted to see in what direction you need to move to get into SIMD on CUDA. And I may want to see how I can use other x86-amd64 instructions/logic.

[neon spoke]

It's going to be wrong about that stuff sometimes in ways that a human teacher or the docs will not be, and unless you know what you're doing, you won't know to catch it out on stuff. Just bear that in mind.

[paper saffron]

I will, I take that as an orientation, as I saw that much stuff I compiled crashed or didn't meet the requirements.

[neon spoke]

As an aside, when things break in OBS, it's funny to ask ChatGPT or Gemini how to fix it. They come up with some wild stuff that does not fix it 🤪 but boy are they confident!

[left mulch]

agreed with Dilaz, this sort of stuff is really only good for autocomplete and I don't think it is necessarily great for learning unless you have very strong will power and discipline to go back after the code has been written and properly understand why it is doing something a certain way.

chatGPT or gemini might not be great for answering user troubleshooting questions but they are very good when you give them access to the OBS repo and ask them to add/change features

[tall vapor]

best yer gonna get from those things is giving you a hint as for where in the actual documentation you should look

doesn't replace knowing what you're doing

[paper saffron]

Well I wouldn't be amused if OBS would be written by AI, I absolutely acknowledge that 😂

[full fern]

My husband finds it so funny when an LLM tells him something wrong (he's always trying to mess with Windows stuff). He calls it out and it apologizes, but of course it never learns LOL

[tall vapor]

it cannot learn, it's that simple

plus if it did accept user input like that the well would've been poisoned yesterday

[paper saffron]

Well the only thing I do is ask it for another way, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't

[tall vapor]

you still gotta actually understand what it spits out as to correct all the mistakes it will have made in it's implementation of what you're trying to do

[neon spoke]

It's as good as what it has to work with (train on) right? So, for JavaScript stuff it's kinda gnarly, but if you ask it how kmalloc works, you get some pretty good info out of it (because nobody that doesn't know what they're talking about talks about kmalloc on the web)

It did an okay job at explaining to me the basics of Xen hypervisor and QubesOS but it very quickly started making shit up, like it didn't read the docs 🤪

[tall vapor]

kmalloc is one of those things that you don't need an LLM for in the first place, for as the documentation exists and everyone whom does something with it will just reference the documentation and off they go

[neon spoke]

Right, so all it has to train on is the docs

(for now I guess )

[tall vapor]

yeah, but it trains on more than just the docs

drawing connections between the docs and a random reddit post about pizza glue

cause it has no concept of meaning, intent, or understanding as a whole

[neon spoke]

lol yeah ok fair

I mean, let's not use pizza glue in our kernel.

[tall vapor]

issa massively scaled up version of what we've had in our phones for over 2 decades at this point, predictive text

[paper saffron]

well I hadn't have the need to use kmalloc for anything yet and I don't code C

[full fern]

Oh, for sure

[paper saffron]

used for lower latency ?

[neon spoke]

If you're doing Qt (forgive me everyone, I haven't touched Qt in over a decade because I do not like it 😅 yes i know its an obs staple) then you'r e_hopefully_ using the new() operator 🙂

[tall vapor]

if in doubt the documentation's quite great indeed, actually!

[neon spoke]

I kinda love documentation, I genuinely enjoy reading it if it's good. Recently reading (slowly) the Arch wiki and man is it dense (and in love with itself) but it's very very good. Also, Stroustrup's books on C/C++ are still the best there are

like...remember actual books, fam?!

🦗

[paper saffron]

I have some new() Stuff in there like new QListView(&window); but I believe that I am not using it properly 😂

[tall vapor]

oh good documentation is like....

[paper saffron]

And btw. that was my shitty code, the AI had nothing to do with it 😂😂

[tall vapor]

gosh the immersion break when you come across a page of docs that is badly written, let alone nonsensical.... it's disheartening

[tall vapor]

if it did it would've been worse

and would've used 970M of ram for some reason

[neon spoke]

If I'm reading that right, new( QListView(&window) ) is making a new "list view" with the parent being window
https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/qlistview.html

[paper saffron]

Well to get stuff into the console like an uint64_t you have fun converting it into a QString

Sorry its not a console it's a QListView

[neon spoke]

20 years ago I was working with legacy code at Big Company and had to merge to wildly divergent forks of an audio processing application...and one of the two had made a custom memory manager for caching large samples of consistent size. That makes sense until you see they made the galaxy brain decision to overload the new operator and thus transform how all allocation worked for the entire app. It caused some truly insane bugs with configuration loading and usage when someone naively mushed the code bases together and I got to fix that.

Looking back on it, it was fun to discover and remember fixing, but at the time I was pretty fussed

[tall vapor]

I don't know whether I should be amazed or disgusted by what I've just read

[paper saffron]

I dont know exactly thades, I have the distinct impression that I am handling the whole UI over as I didn't knew better, what is pretty dirty

[neon spoke]

focus on the thought that I fixed it and the best part is it took me two months to fix it and we sunset the software a year later

[livid plover]

on the overloaded codebase, ctrl+f, search and replace new with new2, define new2 as the overloaded operator and take the rest of the day off 👏

[neon spoke]

it was mostly that simple, but the target was an embedded system, it was complicated

[tall vapor]

I.... I don't think it'd be that simple, Echo

[paper saffron]

but there is a prevention in place that prevents additional QListViews once it's in the writing function

[neon spoke]

we all start out somewhere with things seeming dirty. make it work first, optimize and clean up immediately after

[tall vapor]

You'd be merely causin for the first domino to fall, really

and then after that the "Oh no...." counter keeps incrementing

[livid plover]

it's nice to have a coding puzzle like that every so often. went back and forth making small improvements to the program that ran on some old machine controller. add some ASCII graphics here, sanity check inputs there, dive deep in the manuals and find some badly documented feature that improves the workflow tons, etc.

[neon spoke]

ooo that same code base had a library I had to fix that had a custom implemented linked list. Nothing fancy, it was the kind of thing you'd code in highschool to learn how they work. But you know there's an STL so why didn't they use that?

because the code predated the STL by like five years

[neon spoke]

I kinda miss projects like that sometimes

[paper saffron]

but that part of the code is only executed once and is not inside of a loop, in the writing function the QList is searched, as I remember. Passing the whole UI might be the reason it crashes after some hours, due to a double reference taking place on the painting on the UI.

[neon spoke]

I do appreciate working in Python, it feels a little bit like retirement 🤪

[livid plover]

it was a good time. also setting up the entire workflow/work area/process was fun

[tall vapor]

python? You mean the language you use to interface with C libraries?

[neon spoke]

kinda sounds like you're doing okay and will figure it out. Wiring up a debugger and setting watches on stuff, and using reference counting pointers, can get you to the bottom of it

[neon spoke]

That's the one!!

[livid plover]

boss was pretty insistant at some point he wanted to cut one of the correction values out of the math that it ran, i told him why precisely it wouldn't work and he spent a few hours poking at it himself before coming to the same conclusion lol

[tall vapor]

I knew it!

[neon spoke]

It's so quaint, it's like an evening on the couch after a decade of being neck deep in seething bits

wait wait year is it

[tall vapor]

2026

[neon spoke]

let's go with "a decade" and not dwell

(i learned C in 1997)

[tall vapor]

I wasn't even a thought on my mum's mind back in 97

[neon spoke]

right as i said, let's not dwell!

[tall vapor]

No dwelling needed

[paper saffron]

I was playing sonic in 1997 😂

[neon spoke]

hey me too!

[tall vapor]

Cue ppl being surprised by my age once again

it'll never stop happening

[prisma dove]

weren't the 90's, like, yesterday?

[livid plover]

uuuh sure

[tall vapor]

on an astronomical scale one gotta wonder whether they even were a picosecond ago, really

[paper saffron]

well everywhere you look to, you allways look into the past, even if those are nanoseconds

[neon spoke]

i hope so

[prisma dove]

90's are one of those "before times" for me. Before I got married and started a family, mid 90's

[tall vapor]

or femtoseconds, or whatever timescale you use. Cause yeah, you can only ever perceive the past. Photons reaching your mk1 eyeballs? Takes time. electrical signals resulting from those photons hittin your retinae? Takes time. Those actually being processed into an image by brain? Takes time. You perceiving that image? Takes time. You processing that image? Exactly, yet more time

you expressing what you're processed as being the "now"? That's right, yet more time

[paper saffron]

"Brainlag" you live in the past 🙂

[tall vapor]

We can seek comfort in the fact that we all do

[full fern]

That's it! I'm not a bad typist, I just have input lag LOL

[tall vapor]

I think you typing would count as output, actually

[paper saffron]

Lol

[full fern]

ROFL, that's correct

[livid plover]

ugh now straight lines look crooked again when i look at this drawing

[tall vapor]

well unless they perfectly follow the path of your monitor pixels they, well, are

[livid plover]

they are straight, atlest in every way i measure them, just doesn't look so

[tall vapor]

being able to actually perceive straight lines as such is something that can't really be done with our mk1 eyeballs anyway, our brains just love making us believe we do

[neon spoke]

oh that's some optical illusion shit right there

They are parallel, but I have to focus past the diagonal lines to see that

[prisma dove]

measure twice, cut once.
don't eyeball

[livid plover]

yeah the hatching really makes the illusion

[tall vapor]

yup, cause the angled lines going THROUGH the cells throws off what your brain is using as an anchor point as to perceive straight lines in the first place

[livid plover]

no idea why the hatching is also all over the place here

[tall vapor]

it's there to make you question your sanity

questioning your perception

[livid plover]

thanks, i made this sanity-break myself

[neon spoke]

My sanity was never in question. My train of thought left the station long ago.

We all know I don't have that burden anymore

[tall vapor]

It's a curse you have actively brought upon yourself, then

Well done!

[paper saffron]

Our 3D Engine can be easily be fooled...

[tall vapor]

it's funny how our own bodies follow the same concept that modern phone cameras do. Crap lenses, crap sensors... but a ton of image processing

[paper saffron]

Those perspective drawings on floors that look like holes are pretty realistic as well and provoke natural disconfort

[tall vapor]

"oh you're only seeing what you want to see!"

Well that's how our perception literally works. Otherwise we'd be staring at our own noses all day long

[prisma dove]

I'm Italian, what else am I going to see?

[vapid tinsel]

Heh.

[tall vapor]

ah yah, so not all that far south of me. Yeah, hence brain playing tricks so that you can actually perceive something that ISN'T your nose

quite handy

[prisma dove]

😆

[neon spoke]

Hey! I like my nose okay, geez.

[tall vapor]

mine is quite good at keeping my glasses in place, for what it's worth

[paper saffron]

I don't ask myself this question 😂

could have been worse

[tall vapor]

asking yourself questions is what you tend to do all day long, no?

[paper saffron]

My brain ignores most of the day that it's there...

[neon spoke]

int *nose = sizeof(PERFECTNOSEOK)

[tall vapor]

My brain is quite proficient at not being there at all

I think it's currently enjoying a nice stay at a spa resort

while I'm here, toiling away

[tall vapor]

My nose ain't big, it's merely quite boop-able!

[neon spoke]

I'll get a PR together immediately

[tall vapor]

Challenge: Use your nose as to type out the PR on the touch OSK

[vapid tinsel]

Boop.

[tall vapor]

omg yes I wanna boop that snoot

[opaque halo]

Since we doing snoots

[prisma dove]

not my dog, but one from the park.

[vapid tinsel]

Boop. Blep.

[opaque halo]

Two-fer

[neon spoke]

oikl

[opal elk]

Ive already reported this to discord did anyone notice that there's multiple wendolynortizz on here?

[vapid tinsel]

[neon spoke]

reporting to Discord is the right move if you find anything suspicious on their platform; they have means to handle things that the Discord server admins really can't

[halcyon timber]

Good morning everyone

[hollow grail]

figured out how to get the SE live on my computer with the low settings

[wanton coral]

Is SE The new SLOBS

[hollow grail]

i had previously a encoder overload but i somehow put a lighter load on my pc by adjusting the advanced techniques for the obs because this method was working when i was streaming with my freecshot plus putting it at 4000 kbps

the SE is a mulitstreaming plugin for obs

now SE. Live have cloud multistreaming

i am currently using soop global and twitch for right now

[patent raft]

i have a problem i cant login with my obs into twich it always says auth token failure aftzer 5000 miliseconds and idk what to do even reinstalled it

[vapid tinsel]

Twitch has been having authentication issues most of the week. Use your stream key instead.

[wanton coral]

what parts of the words "off-topic" and "*-support" look similar to people?

[hollow grail]

that problem can be addressed under windows support

[vapid tinsel]

All of them.

[patent raft]

how

[vapid tinsel]

Disconnect you Twitch accout at Settings > Stream then paste in your Twitch stream key.

[patent raft]

its already discconted its only like i cat reconnct it again

[vapid tinsel]

Use your stream key from Twitch.

[patent raft]

its already there over the point of reconnecting to twitch

problem solved

it was on their side

thanks still for the help

[vapid tinsel]

You're welcome.

[patent raft]

u r guys r doing a good job

[full fern]

This week's Epic freebie. 😁

[silver fable]

Not sure if I'd like it, but I probably shouldn't be such a neigh sayer.

[hollow grail]

i found a better option that fits my computer specs

[median heath]

Hello

[hollow grail]

its the lightweight freecshot plus i am currently multistreaming on it with two platforms there is less load on my pc and 6000 bitrate is working

i don't think i would need to upgrade at all for now at the least

[amber sparrow]

👍

[wanton coral]

does anyone know what D3D9E stands for? Specifically the E? I google this all I can find are posts asking what it is but not any answers unless I'm missing them

A note on D3D9Ex is that RTSS and SK reports differently. RTSS only concerns itself with swapchain data if I remember it right, so it only reports a game as using D3D9Ex if it uses FlipEx (the new swap effect introduced in D3D9Ex). However SK reports games making use of other D3D9Ex related calls (ones that RTSS doesn't hook/care about) as using D3D9Ex even if the swap effect might not be FlipEx.

I found this excerpt but It seems like D3D9Ex is different to D3D9E

[still turret]

Just a guess but probably exclusive fullscreen mode

[wanton coral]

Is in windowed mode

It's a windowed application

a picture viewer to be exact

[still turret]

then it probably means the Ex mentioned in that post, just truncated due to space

RTSS did actually reports it using D3D9Ex (D3D9E was shown).

from the same thread.

[wanton coral]

Ah thanks I must have missed that

So cool its some kind of swapchain doodad

[scarlet kernel]

I finally have an interface, M-Audio Air

Got it used, it works a treat

[full fern]

Nice!

[jagged nova]

Shut up

[amber sparrow]

[void gale]

Rdr2 is in sale which i can buy with my steam wallet but it doesnt have family sharing 🥺

[silver fable]

Do any Rockstar games have it? I don't think they do.

[void gale]

If my brother buy RDR2 game in steam .
Is it possible for me to login his rockstar account and play on my pc? 🤔

i think i cant if i buy game in steam but possible if i buy game directly in rockstar launcher.

[silver fable]

Or just buy the game and play it, and let your brother buy it, if he really wants it. If it's not that expensive on sale, just gift him a copy.

[void gale]

imma always skipping ubisoft , rockstar , ea games just because i dont want to buy multiple copies .

My bro just plays whatever i buy so i am leaning towards family sharing games more .

but yeah if there is no option i would just let him play on my desktop

[full fern]

You can have two separate characters in GTA Online, but they share a bank balance unfortunately. Don't share with your brother if you don't trust him with your in game money. Haha

[terse helm]

also don't play GTA online because it's full of cheaters and griefers anyway

the singleplayer is great though

[full fern]

Things did get a bit better for a little while with Battleye. It took some mod authors three days to get around it, but it was a glorious peaceful three days. LOL

[void gale]

i tried gta v online (invite only session) its working fine but i am bored of heavy loading times for everything so i gave up

[wanton coral]

Can't you just start a friends only or private session? Unless rockstar ripped that out?

[void gale]

oh friends steam gifting worked via steam wallet for Rdr2 game so i bought ultimate editin 💃🏻
Next thinking whether to buy 'No Rest for the Wicked' game or not

[vapid tinsel]

Vimeo got bought out and laid off everyone it seems. Wow.

[full fern]

Ugh, that sucks

[neon spoke]

Gross.

[vapid tinsel]

Yeah. Ugh.

[civic quarry]

so its just google and amazon now huh? lol

[carmine ibex]

I was thinking Venmo and was like.. huh, really? interesting....

[wanton coral]

Vimeo is dead?

[vapid tinsel]

Probably is now.

[wanton coral]

The site is still there but it might be time to start archiving things people want if they're likely to go under

[vapid tinsel]

Most all the useful features have been pay only for many years and its essentially been stagnant for a few years now.

Yeah, site and app are still there. Might change in the next few months.

[wanton coral]

I can't say I've used it enough to notice. It's just the site I go to when a video is banned/taken down from youtube

To a point though because Dailymotion seems much better for that

[vapid tinsel]

I quit using when everything went behind the paywall.

[wanton coral]

For uploading videos?

[vapid tinsel]

Yup. I used it before I got going on YouTube. There was a good Tilt Shift community there back there was cool.

[wanton coral]

dang that sucks

[vapid tinsel]

Oh well.

[full fern]

I bought one documentary that was distributed through Vimeo years ago. First I had to email support because it didn't show up in my account, then a couple months later the creators removed it. Was a poor experience all around LOL

[vapid tinsel]

Yeah, I've hear similar stories.

[full fern]

Thankfully, it was not a very good documentary.

[vapid tinsel]

Heh.

[full fern]

Okay it was actually really bad. LOL

[vapid tinsel]

Basically with my free account. all I can upload are effecively Shorts. 😛

[vapid tinsel]

Dang.

[neon spoke]

Vimeo is the backing service for Dropout. I wonder where they'll migrate to.

[still turret]

Unlikely they move anywhere

[neon spoke]

You really think so? I feel like the pattern is pretty clear: SaaS company sell, the buyers fire everyone, and either implode it or sell it for parts. Can take a couple years but I can't think of an example where this scenario leads to a stronger brand or platform, you know?

[still turret]

Sam Reich is pretty happy with the deal, and their platform is working very well for them, they don't need ads, the business model is exactly what they want, it's stable and reliable. Right now it's speculation who all was let go, there's reports it was "Everyone" and reports "a few teams"

There would have to be a pretty massive degredation of service, or breach of contract to make them want to move.

[neon spoke]

I know they like it there, but - yeah - I've only heard the more intense half of those reports. And I agree with your assessment

You could be right, of course

[still turret]

I doubt anyone would look at this and go "Yeah we're happy about this" but it's highly unlikely they are moving anywhere else because of layoffs.

[neon spoke]

Naturally not. My fear was that without knowledgeable people the backing platform would fall apart and they'd be forced to move.

Time will tell

[livid plover]

Heh i remember the tilt shift on vimeo, some neat vids for sure

[copper pasture]

a lot of graphic designers put their animated work on vimeo instead of youtube in the day because their player had more options and integrated more nicely into websites

[clever pilot]

Hello

[terse helm]

yo, can I send people random notifications?

[silver fable]

When you have 7k - 8k active subs on Twitch, I'm sure you can do whatever you want. LOL

Hell, they'll clearly do it for you, as shown here.

Though he did have over 16k in September of last year, and no, I was not one, and have never even watched one of his streams. I do know who he is.

[full fern]

I think I get a little bitter at playforms like Twitch and YT. They have a desire to promote content creators, but they never ever promote anyone smaller than the "household name" folks. There are millions of creators who could use a boost and also are not terrible people.

[prisma dove]

What's Twitch? is that a food service? 😆

[wheat karma]

I have a real twitch for a juicy burger rn

[vapid tinsel]

It's like cross stitch but really different.

[full fern]

They serve Adderall sandwiches, and energy drinks LOL

[wheat karma]

Esports nutrition brand?

[full fern]

LOL

[still turret]

Let's not do that, thanks.

[vapid tinsel]

Sorry. 😣

[strange widget]

Are you guys real or bots?

[opaque halo]

Last I checked, I had a birth certificate and not a manufactured date

[strange widget]

So you’re real?

[full fern]

I am a meat popsicle.

[opaque halo]

As real as my mind perceives me to be

[strange widget]

Guys I need help

[sweet anchor]

beep boop 🤖

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[opaque halo]

With???

Determining if someone is a person or bot??

[karmic tiger]

personally I'm a rat

[sweet anchor]

[karmic tiger]

[sweet anchor]

[vapid tinsel]

I’m an annoying meat popsicle.

[opaque halo]

Just a tube trying to survive

[full fern]

Good ol tube life. Put food in one end, something slightly different comes out the other end.

[opaque halo]

Processed

[silver fable]

Sounds like shit

[full fern]

I love the new profile pic. Is it from your screenshot generator game?

[void gale]

👀

[vapid tinsel]

Thanks! I actually used ChatGPT!

[vapid tinsel]

But that game can certainly make one too!

[full fern]

It nailed the NMS aesthetic!

[vapid tinsel]

Definitely!

[devout siren]

ChatGPT is nice when it lies that VKCapture game capture is part of Flatpak OBS. 😄

[karmic tiger]

depending on the definition of those words that could be seen as true

it is an extension, so, in the flathub sense, it is part of it

[devout siren]

It just said that it's part of the OBS Flatpak so you don't have to install it.

[karmic tiger]

oh yeah, that one is bullshit

[jagged nova]

[wise bay]

Welcome to the OBS community support channel. If you have a question, go ahead and ask it, and if someone is available to help they'll respond. Try to be detailed, and provide a log if you are having issues with streaming/recording (Help -> Log Files -> Upload Current Log). Please be patient if someone doesn't respond right away!

[jagged nova]

Who ghost pinged?

[silver fable]

Doesn't seem like a ghost ping there. LOL

[jagged nova]

I saw something else before the bot got summoned

Ykw it doesn't matter

[jaunty fulcrum]

it was Xorshasia, summoning the bot 😛

[jagged nova]

Oh lol

[civic quarry]

discord been acting funky? prolly just the snow storm..

[full fern]

Yeah, seems like it. Noticed a couple issues on other servers.

[prisma dove]

Blame the mini polar vortex

[full fern]

I'm kind of relieved to not be in the heart of a wild storm for once. Though it is cold as hell in the PNW at the moment.

[vapid tinsel]

Test

[jaunty fulcrum]

https://discordstatus.com/

[vapid tinsel]

Fun times at Discord!

Good night!

[full fern]

Gnight!

[wanton coral]

Potplayer real time speech to text is so good for subtitling. You can do it manually with open whisper and run it manually in potplayer but this just works with no effort

I've been using it for videos that don' have subtitles but where I don't want to run it manually and wait

[livid plover]

Open whisper does solid work

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[wanton coral]

It's great. I usually watch with subs and its amazing for videos that don't already have them

[limber stump]

do you guys have any advice for editing videos?

[prisma dove]

Practice?
Without any context for what you want to edit, and for what audience/platform, there really isn't anything else to say

[limber stump]

oh mb

https://youtu.be/7649zpK1w98?si=Ea7hTZMhIKrfMvFg

its supposed to be something like this:

[prisma dove]

Assume not everyone is in a place to watch a sample or know what parts or styles you wish to emulate.
What kind of content do you want to edit? For what platform?

[wanton coral]

Lots of jump cuts, whip pans and dramatic zoom into peoples faces when they say something funny.

[graceful scaffold]

it's so dang freaking cold lately

[silver fable]

Yes

[graceful scaffold]

mine keeps fluctuating where I live, between around 6, 9, and in the tens or low teens

[jaunty fulcrum]

meanwhile Australia (Celcius)

[graceful scaffold]

proof, being that currently it's 6° compared to earlier when it was 10

lol

[graceful scaffold]

Fahrenheit is like a 10 to 12° difference, yeah?

[jaunty fulcrum]

44C is 111F

and 10F is -12C (quite cold, no thanks)

[graceful scaffold]

lmao

gotcha, so it's quite warm over there

[jaunty fulcrum]

very hot

[graceful scaffold]

almost wish Texas was like that right now

[amber sparrow]

Meanwhile in florida

[graceful scaffold]

lucky

lmao

[vernal current]

anyone know why i cant record a voice note on whatsapp if i have a headset on? I have to use the phones mic to record even though a headset is connected

i can use the headset for calls, but cant record my voice

makes no sense

its been like this for years btw

https://www.reddit.com/r/whatsapp/comments/14fg11s/whatsapp_voice_messages_recording_through_phone/

this is the best i could find

😭

[civic quarry]

i love how people think encryption hides stuff

all it does is identify you haha

[karmic tiger]

well, to be fair, no encryption doesn't hide a lot

[terse helm]

what

the point of encryption is hiding stuff

[tall vapor]

"why do you lock your front door? That just lets people know that there might be something inside!" type energy

[civic quarry]

😄

sorry, i was reading a bunch of people talking about signal

and i saw signal and telegram mentioned

so yea, you can encrypt your own thingies sure, but like... signal and telegram and whatsapp...

big funnies imo

i should obs into my cameras and watch myself shoveling snow

[sudden adder]

Some people stream that

[civic quarry]

i wonder if a buff shirtless snow shoveling service would take off

[tall vapor]

I wouldn't hire it for and monetary reasons, but I'm sure the audience for it would be out there provided you can pull off a good show

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[formal island]

Okay

[carmine ibex]

My keurig broke down
It started trying to run and like 10 seconds later it stopped and said an error has occurred.. then I try again and it runs for like 15 seconds, but no water is coming out and it sounds like the pump is getting slower and slower
And then the power to the unit just goes out.. not even the lights are turning on

What do I doooooo

I can go to a neighbors house to get some coffee >.>

[vapid tinsel]

Oh man, that's tough.

[carmine ibex]

I guess maybe I could open up a kcup and put the grounds in a coffee filter and use the other coffee maker

[vapid tinsel]

Get a French Press and a Coffee Bean Grinder.

[open rune]

And then get another Keurig
You don't always have time to be fucking around with coffee in the morning

[carmine ibex]

yeah, I'm too lazy to clean the other coffee maker, and I don't want to use it before cleaning it
there's dried coffee stuck to it that's been that way for years

[vapid tinsel]

🫢

[neon spoke]

Kettle, Clever dripper, scale, grinder, my coffee prep takes five minutes of which only about a minute is active. It's not so bad, I swear!

[open rune]

I use a programmable drip pot, takes longer to clean it out half-asleep in your underwear

Slamming a k-cup and moving on with my day is preferable during the week

[prisma dove]

Do Keurig brewers come in industrial size? I don't brew anything less than 4 cups for personal use.

[open rune]

If you're drinking 4 cups before you head out the door then no it doesn't really accommodate that use case

[prisma dove]

[silver fable]

Better half asleep, than fully asleep. Also, same. I don't get up a long time before work, because weird hours, so I need it quick, and don't wanna take the time to clean up afterward. On my weekends, I can dick around with cleanup.

[open rune]

You can make an argument that since it's programmable I could just set it up the night before and my coffee will make itself in the morning
But I would remind you not to argue with moderators

[terse helm]

is there something like Coffee Anonymous

because you need help

[prisma dove]

Pro tip: work at/own a coffee shop.

[carmine ibex]

You could get higher caffeine kcups and you'd only need two
But those use the gross tasting beans

Robusta, right

[silver fable]

and there's still the matter of cleanup.

[open rune]

The responsible idea is you clean it up and get it ready the night before but fuck that

[open rune]

I usually top out at about three cups over the course of a day

[faint bough]

hey

[neon spoke]

Takes less than a minute to put a drop of soap and hose out the the Clever with the sink, nbd.

[open rune]

Does not wake me up with coffee, rejected

[neon spoke]

Heh

[silver fable]

And the best part of waking up....

Is going back to bed.

[vapid tinsel]

Not Folgers in your cup?

[silver fable]

Folgers in the trash

[prisma dove]

Folger's only if I'm desperate

[carmine ibex]

I ended up just having some dark chocolate, it was yummy

Got the caffeine I needed

[vapid tinsel]

Folgers will never darken my pantry.

[silver fable]

Well, as long as you ate an entire, full size, dark chocolate bar, you might have gotten the same amount of caffeine.

[carmine ibex]

It was probably like 100mg or so
It's enough

Coffee would have been like 150

[civic quarry]

i made some coffee earlier it was good, i like to grind my own beans

[vapid tinsel]

Approve.

[carmine ibex]

Wait, lemme send that higher quality

[austere agate]

double cupped some folgers this morning

[civic quarry]

i put my coffee maker on my stream one time for some rando chatter and they crushed so hard.... it was cute

[carmine ibex]

yay, vertical images

looks like it probably wasn't more than about 70mg

it's enough

[silver fable]

Definitely not more than 70mg. LOL

[carmine ibex]

yeah, probably was 55-70mg

Trader Joe's does make a caffeine loaded chocolate bar, but that just seems weird to me

thanks, bot

[opaque halo]

Just got Navy "underway" coffee. The ground brown stuff in the 20 lb bulk can that has a white label of "Coffee".
Make a potty, change out the filter, add fresh grounds and pour the pot of coffee in the reservoir and brew it again. Put it into you stained coffee mug because anything beyond a quick rinse is considered disrespectful to the coffee and the mug during a 6-12 month deployment

[neon spoke]

I overspend on my coffee; I get Stumptown Founder's in big 5 lbs bags...boils down to about $1/cup when all is said and done.

Clever Dripper is equal parts immersion and percolation, so it's like an easy-mode combination of French press and pour over, and zero effort...just pour, wait, then place for draw down. Fancy coffee shit but it's e-z. Thanks, James Hoffman.

I also make my coffee about 1 hour after waking up so the caffeine has maximal effect 😅 so I recognize I'm the odd one out here

[opaque halo]

I only have one cup in the morning. Anything more than that and it has negative effects on my meds. We have a multitude of brewing set ups. Wife likes to try different methods. One i won't do is the hand pressed espresso... way too much physical effort for the morning

[prisma dove]

Only 1 cup (8-10oz mug) a morning is rare for me... 2-3 is average, over a couple hours. I blame getting hooked on the stuff working closing shifts at McD's in college, or worse, split shifts of 3-8 am, got to close, then come back for another 3-4 hours.

Oh yeah, and working a bakery 6 days a week later on.

[prisma dove]

Still can't sleep in to save my life

[civic quarry]

i went through like 20 grinders before i got that one

[full fern]

We buy not-too-expensive-but-tasty coffee beans and grind them each morning. Important caveat: Keep some ground in the freezer in case of power outages

[silver fable]

I just have a Mr. Coffee burr grinder.

[vapid tinsel]

Same.

[prisma dove]

ditto, noisy as hell so I have to remember to grind the night before.

[silver fable]

Able to make anything from coarse as hell to practically snortable.

Not that I'd snort ground coffee...

[prisma dove]

do. not. recommend.

[silver fable]

I mean, I guess that's one way to get caffeine.

I do need to get some more Kopi Luwak, though. Eventually.

[civic quarry]

is that the bat dung one?

oh. yea i think i was looking at buying that, but i guess they are kinda mean to the little lemurs or whatever so i decided not to. i wanted to tho.

[hollow grail]

for my pc that even offloads for free

mine is low gpu but my other specs are really good

[wheat karma]

Don't know anything about it but I'll remember to avoid it now

[lucid salmon]

Can anyone help me my stream keeps do this while I’m streaming anyone can explain why

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[lucid salmon]

My stream keep doing this why I’m streaming can anyone explain why this happens

[vapid tinsel]

There’s no support in this channel. Go to the channel for your operating system: #windows-support , #macos-support , or #linux-support

[hollow grail]

i was saying the i have found the alternatives to a streaming software that really fits in with the current pc

[civic quarry]

thats awesome

[hollow grail]

i put it at 5000 bitrate and no issue at all

for a 720p stream

since i have a huge ram on my pc

16GB

[prisma dove]

not huge, I have 32GB and that's sometimes not enough for editing.

[silver fable]

To be fair, none of your laptop specs are that good. Low power laptop with integrated GPU, 4Gb RAM, if I remember right.

Or 16Gb

[hollow grail]

nope not even 4GB ram

it has a small vram but i use it for the lightest streaming software now

[prisma dove]

We're glad you found something that can run acceptably on your pc.

[silver fable]

Exactly

[prisma dove]

please stop spamming.
I can see you are excited, but one line posts, really?

[hollow grail]

ok

yep i am excited

[prisma dove]

you did it again... 🙄

[hollow grail]

since i have improved my stream quality

this is actually it sorry i have a habbit of pressing enter each line

[graceful scaffold]

I

am

COLD

[vapid tinsel]

I

am

RUFUS

[jaunty fulcrum]

I am HOT

[vapid tinsel]

113.9°F. Ouch.
22°F here. Quite the difference in the hemispheres.

[full fern]

Whoa. That's a lot. Are you holding up okay?

[jaunty fulcrum]

Yeah, air conditioning is a fantastic invention.

[full fern]

I'm so glad you're being well cooled!

[jaunty fulcrum]

Same. Just wish it wasn't necessary.

[full fern]

For sure. The wilder the weather patterns get the harder it is to cope.

[graceful scaffold]

lucky

[graceful scaffold]

ain't that the truth, try freezing your butt off in Texas, when you don't expect it

[graceful scaffold]

lol

never knew it could get this cold

[graceful scaffold]

oh hey, haven't seen you in ages

Hope you've been doing well

[hearty stirrup]

when people want to keep up on how I'm doing, I'm not hard to find

[graceful scaffold]

in Fahrenheit, this is what it is where I live:

[graceful scaffold]

Good to know, but also kind of confusing because we don't really know each other, but you've helped me out a couple of times and we've chatted briefly, and you seem like a really nice and chill person, but I'd like to know where you are when you aren't on here, but not in a creepy way, lmao

[full fern]

Yeah, it's not something you see too often. Brrrr.

[graceful scaffold]

finally getting around to screwing around with my PC to install an older version of OBS, to see if I can record some footage decently

[hearty stirrup]

yeah, 3rd gen i7 is absolutely going to show its age on that

[graceful scaffold]

I mean, it works decently for discord, Minecraft overall, and YouTube videos, and other stuff, no problem

it just was having issues with recording without dropping a bunch of frames

Pennywyvern sent me a link to an older version though that they feel will help me out, if I change some settings after installing it

[hearty stirrup]

a lot of the problem comes more from the fact that there's no dedicated gpu than from the raw age of the system

although you can PROBABLY get quicksync to work reasonably well

[graceful scaffold]

until quick sink was actually what penny was saying the problem was for the most part

at least, that's what it seemed like

but also, I plan to get a graphics card at some point for the computer as well

and not only use the integrated graphics

at some point whenever I've upgrade it as much as I can without doing a motherboard swap, I'll just end up getting a motherboard bundle and swapping the parts out, keeping the old ones for testing or whatever, and just continue with upgrading it like I was before, lol

eventually if possible, I plan to turn it into like something that's pretty much today's standards, not like brand new or anything, just able to compete with a decent deal of today's sort of expectations

I'm not getting rid of the case though, lmao

[hearty stirrup]

cases can and do last for 20+ years

[graceful scaffold]

it'd be cool to see a pretty decently specced out gaming PC, inside of a Dell Optiplex 9010 SFF case, lol

just have to stick to micro ATX boards for the most part

[hearty stirrup]

it's possible, if you go as small as mini-itx, to fit a decent gaming pc in a mini keg

[graceful scaffold]

yeah, but I believe for the most part I should only have to stick to micro ATX, depending on the size of the different components and such

like graphics cards and stuff

[hearty stirrup]

https://www.mini-itx.com/projects/bubbacomp/

specifically this kind of project (from 23 years ago now)

[graceful scaffold]

there's no freaking way that dude made a PC the size of a beer can basically

lmao

That's crazy

[hearty stirrup]

it's a 5L "case"

[graceful scaffold]

from my perspective, it just looks like a giant can, for the most part

[hearty stirrup]

it basically is

[graceful scaffold]

gotcha

[hearty stirrup]

and yes he did

[graceful scaffold]

wild

[hearty stirrup]

the mini-itx form factor allows for crazy compact builds

[graceful scaffold]

but yeah no, this is going to be a decently spread out journey, but I'm going to enjoy it

upgrading and stuff, and swapping out parts along the way, I mean

I love this computer already, but can't wait to see how much more life I can bring to it, lol

got it for like 84 or 89 bucks off of eBay

can't remember exactly

[graceful scaffold]

I can see that

XD

[hearty stirrup]

people have also done:
commodore floppy drive
ps2 (large)
ps1 (large)
sega saturn
toaster

[graceful scaffold]

side note, but have you ever felt like you could go for a really good turkey sandwich, but didn't feel like making one?

lmao

[graceful scaffold]

You're saying people have made computers that fit inside of a floppy drive, PS2, PS1, set a console, and toaster?

just want to be clear

[hearty stirrup]

yes

[graceful scaffold]

gotcha

some people are very inventive

lol

[hearty stirrup]

my builds have all been very boring in comparison, making a dedicated streaming pc out of second hand server grade parts

[graceful scaffold]

that still sounds pretty cool, though!

also, second hand parts are always great, because you're essentially recycling them

[hearty stirrup]

using server grade parts makes the whole thing work better because they tend to be systems with 40 pci-e lanes

rather than the more common 16 in consumer level

[graceful scaffold]

mine is probably going to be a combination of my dedicated gaming and streaming PC, combined with just my daily driver in general, lolz

[graceful scaffold]

yeah yeah, makes sense

basically hardware that's built to run like it's supposed to, and built to last a while

also built for bigger upgrades

lol

[hearty stirrup]

higher lane count means your video card will run at max speed with more "other" hardware installed

[graceful scaffold]

yeah

no slowdowns

gotcha

[hearty stirrup]

my video editing rig has 20 of the 40 lanes of it dedicated to m.2 nvme drives

[graceful scaffold]

interesting

[hearty stirrup]

total of 5 drives at pci-e 3.0 x4

[graceful scaffold]

also, stupid question, but with my computer, you wouldn't think there's an NVMe spot on it, would you?

lol

highly doubt it, but haven't opened it up again recently to check

[hearty stirrup]

3rd gen i7? not likely

[graceful scaffold]

recently been seeing a bunch of NVMe 4 terabyte SSDs in temu ads and stuff, lmao

[hearty stirrup]

I wouldn't expect it to have one before 6th gen

[graceful scaffold]

understandable, wasn't really getting my hopes up anyways, no need for 4 terabyte storage right now anyways

lmao

[graceful scaffold]

gotcha

[hearty stirrup]

I'm running 4x2tb sata ssd in a pooled drive currently for my games drive

[graceful scaffold]

so 6th gen would be something like i7 6700 or something like that?

or 6200 or something

[hearty stirrup]

yep

[graceful scaffold]

?

[graceful scaffold]

thanks, wanted to make sure I was remembering how that whole generation scheme worked

[graceful scaffold]

initially it was confusing, because generations weren't the same thing as the i3 i5 i7 sort of scheme

so I had to try to remember that one was different from the other, and that you couldn't really mix them, unless you specifically were naming what generation with which i level or whatever, lol

[hearty stirrup]

you can GENERALLY go within a single generation of cpu for upgrades (say from an i3 to i5 or MOST i7s of a generation)

[graceful scaffold]

this reminds me of that one Linux application that you can use in order to basically combine multiple computers and pool your resources together, to have almost like a supercomputer of sorts, in a way

can't remember what the name of the program was, or the software or whatever, but yeah

Saw a dude use it to take like four different Google Chromebooks, and pool their resources together, just for the hell of it

[hearty stirrup]

well, on linux, you have tools that allow you to have such pooled drives that span across multiple computers

[graceful scaffold]

Saw it on YouTube

[graceful scaffold]

yea

I was just saying what you sent, that image, reminded me of that, basically

[hearty stirrup]

glusterfs is one of them

[graceful scaffold]

kk

[graceful scaffold]

this is going to sound like a stupid question, but could you maybe rephrase or elaborate on this?

Don't know if I'm interpreting it correctly or not

[hearty stirrup]

going from an i5 4690k to an i7 4770k would work

[graceful scaffold]

That's quite interesting

[hearty stirrup]

without having to replace everything

[graceful scaffold]

neat, good to know, thanks

and an i7 would be way better than an I-5 in terms of like the type of CPU or whatever, right?

or am I wrong?

lol

I'm knowledgeable in some regards, but in others I'm a noob

[hearty stirrup]

assuming the same generation and market segment (desktop vs power saving laptop vs performance laptop) the i7 will generally better

[graceful scaffold]

gotcha

[hearty stirrup]

like a 4690k i5 will beat most mobile chips of the 4xxx generation that don't have HQ or MQ in their model numbers

[graceful scaffold]

stupid question, but what does the initial number that's always paired with the i, what does it actually stand for?

because I know it doesn't stand for how many cores it has

lol

[hearty stirrup]

the order is generation, tier, major model, market segment

generation, tier and major model are all numbers, tier is always a single digit, major model always 2

[graceful scaffold]

okay so it would be the tier

gotcha

[hearty stirrup]

market segment isn't always present but is always a letter or two when it's present

[graceful scaffold]

like 4690k?

The k being the market segment?

[hearty stirrup]

K and X marget segments are always high performance

[graceful scaffold]

gotcha

this should have probably been in #tech-talk, but too late, lmao

[hearty stirrup]

the "U" market segment is low power consumption and generally also low performance

[graceful scaffold]

interesting, good to know

Don't get U shit, lol

[hearty stirrup]

they're basically only found in laptops and the ultra small formfactor machines

[graceful scaffold]

noted

[silver fable]

Don't forget the KS series. 😀

[graceful scaffold]

what's KS for?

is it better than K or X?

[hearty stirrup]

there's only a small number of "KS" market segment chips iirc

[graceful scaffold]

interesting

so rare

[graceful scaffold]

That's a lot of information

lmao

essentially almost 4 GHz?

[hearty stirrup]

yeah programs like cpu-z tend to do that

[graceful scaffold]

3.99 GHz pretty much?

isn't that like extremely fast compared to some other chips that people are still using today?

[hearty stirrup]

that can draw more power on its own than some peoples' entire computers do

[graceful scaffold]

aren't most of them still like 2.something?

[hearty stirrup]

core speed isn't everything when it comes to performance

and hasn't been for like 20 years

[graceful scaffold]

got it

[graceful scaffold]

Wait, actually, I have a question about this

is that CPU overclocked?

[hearty stirrup]

nope

[graceful scaffold]

only reason I ask is because for the specification it says 3.30 gigahertz, but for the core speed it says 3,991.21 megahertz, which is almost 691 roughly megahertz more, pretty much

or is core speed different than the amount listed in the specification?

[silver fable]

Here's me, for comparison.

Also getting up in the years.

[hearty stirrup]

my video editing rig also has a xeon E5-2680v4

[graceful scaffold]

interesting

bet you don't have anything that has a Pentium CPU though

lmao

I always hear people shitting on those all the time

[hearty stirrup]

nothing that's a daily driver

[graceful scaffold]

lol

[carmine ibex]

[download] Destination: I'm On Observation Duty 8 [oylnqAzTV08].f308.webm [download] 2.6% of 765.57MiB at 104.73MiB/s ETA 00:07ERROR: unable to download video data: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden
guessing I need to update yt-dlp
I want to download VP9 stream because it has 2.5x the bitrate as the AV1

I would just watch on YT.. but YT removed the option to force VP9.. thanks, YT

yep, worked after updating

hard to say how much worse/better vp9 versus av1 is... some parts are def worse and some better

you would think VP9 would be vastly better with the 2.5x higher bitrate, but... ehh.. not so much

[download] Destination: I'm On Observation Duty 8 [oylnqAzTV08].f400.mp4 [download] 3.2% of 308.56MiB at 76.74MiB/s ETA 00:03ERROR: unable to download video data: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden
wat, again? but I updated it...

seems like it just takes two times

[sweet anchor]

What parameters you running?

[livid plover]

For good reason often

[carmine ibex]

-f [id]+[id]

[civic quarry]

this bacon was like super model

[carmine ibex]

I like how it shows an image for an 8gb flash drive

1mb? that's surely a scam, I don't think there's a such thing as a 1mb flash drive

[silver fable]

Uhhh.... No. 8Mb was about the smallest.

[terse helm]

iirc those exist but for veeery specific use-cases, not "generic usb flash drive"

for just generic storage a floppy would be larger

[livid plover]

just like weird flash/low capacity ones still exist for industry legacy reasons pretty much

[wanton coral]

If people are actually buying and selling 8MB flash drives as "vintage electronics" (which means absurdly marked up in price) that's utterly pathetic

I got a different result but none of the listings it linked where the "vintage" flippers

I want to know where the "vintage electronics on ebay" link goes to

[civic quarry]

please buy my trash

[wise bay]

If you need more in-depth technical help for your computer issues outside of OBS, you can join the /r/TechSupport Discord server

[dusky junco]

hi

[vapid tinsel]

Get some water and move to the shade. Don't overheat.

[dusky junco]

Hahaha, thank you. Here in Argentina, it's 37 degrees.

I have two fans above me because my room is a bit like an oven, haha.

[vapid tinsel]

That's definitely hot. It's currently 0C here.

[dusky junco]

Where are you from?

[vapid tinsel]

The US.

[glass geode]

• 2 C here (Middle Europe)

[dusky junco]

You're lucky, in my province,entre rios, they ask for rain, I'm about to perform a ritual to make it rain. jaja

[dusky junco]

[vapid tinsel]

🤞 for rain

We've had two days of rain, freezing rain, sleet and snow. Hoping much of it melts today as we're forecast to get to up 41F.

[dusky junco]

I gather the witches in my neighborhood so I can make it rain

[vapid tinsel]

Oh boy! Good luck!

[dusky junco]

That's nothing compared to where I used to live in Tierra del Fuego, where it was -11 degrees, haha. Now that's a real tryhard.

[vapid tinsel]

🥶

[dusky junco]

[marsh helm]

soo anyone see a massive spike in usb related bugs in the last 2 months on windows?

i keep seeing ppl having issues wirh usbs

my usb card died

very randomly

[silver fable]

Seems fine here.

[civic quarry]

windows 11 does fun things with usb yes

[neon spoke]

yep, no issues for me; I did have a weird issue with my onboard LAN with some Win 11 update, but that was fixed by updating the driver from the motherboard's website (the patchnotes in the driver zip did mention the issues I'd been seeing). It can't hurt to look into updating USB drivers or UEFI itself if USB is being weird

In general, some USB devices do poorly with Windows power saving modes, so changing both the global system setting for that (if you're on a desktop for instance) or USB sleep settings in Device Manager can help, but if we're talking about a laptop you in general want to be careful about doing that

(maybe I should add that it can hurt trying to update UEFI/BIOS if you don't know what you're doing and make a mistake, so do your homework before pulling that trigger ❤️ )

[marsh helm]

they broke usb support in bios

2 months ago

and the fix for the last windows update was to uninstall it

im looking at cute otter pictures to stop fumming

[civic quarry]

my problem with usb was selective suspending of peripherals but its a weird thing in the back end

nice otters

[vapid tinsel]

#️⃣ Otters

[neon spoke]

It's not _so_weird, right? Most users have like a mouse or speaker plugged in via USB and nothing else, and that stuff is save to put to sleep if it's not being interacted with for a long time. They're not taking into account things like Stream Decks or offboard mixers (or whatever other weird stuff we streamers use) which run and aren't necessarily being interacted with.

[marsh helm]

i really want windows to stop letting ai write 40% of its code and actually do testing before releasing updates

[sudden adder]

The ai tests the code too

[livid plover]

you're the tester

[neon spoke]

I mean, I dunno if they're really doing that, but breakages are more frequent, it seems. So I'm only using Windows until I can get my RCP2 working in CachyOS (or some other distro) then its byebye windows for me

[silver fable]

You mean USB in recovery mode, right? No Windows update can touch your BIOS.

[neon spoke]

So it's a little weird actually

[livid plover]

and USB issues in BIOS is 95% of the time using the wrong port i find

[neon spoke]

Strictly speaking, yes, it doesn't inject shit into UEFI itself, but fastboot shit is weird and can hijack UEFI knowing whether the USB ports work, for instance. That's to make hiberate go faster

and as we all know, we can trust Windows with checking its math 🤪

(that's sarcasm)

[livid plover]

speaking of dumb windows things, i took a screenshot earliere via win+shift+s and now it for some reason has just left the yellow screen captuer border on permanently 😂

[neon spoke]

😬 u r being watched by ai probably

it wants to know what you do

[silver fable]

Yeah, I know I have some "special" USB ports that I have my keyboard and mouse dongles plugged into, identified by my mobo manual.

[livid plover]

fine by me but i demand it also writes my diary tonight then

[neon spoke]

If only it were so helpful

[marsh helm]

yeah well its really bad that that too

[silver fable]

They're slow bros, so not good to plug the fast stuff into.

[neon spoke]

Oh I forgot about Windows capsule updates; they can push BIOS updates for you and if they f that up, they have in fact busted your UEFI

They're finding new ways to help us every day

You know, friends. MintOS and ZorinOS really are kind of nice and they're not difficult to get into.

[carmine ibex]

seems like the overview summary changed, but it shows this for one of the ebay links in the sources

[wanton coral]

OK yeah this one I found too. Thank the lord were not at the stage of people selling flash drives as "vintage" yet

[carmine ibex]

I think the ai is just making shit up

as usual

[marsh helm]

im waiting for steam os so i have less to mess with

it should come with more stable gaming

[silver fable]

There are still some performance penalties for DirectX 12 titles on Linux. Only about 5%, but it's there.

[neon spoke]

SteamOS is very very likely to remain on their dedicated hardware, so if you mean "You're going to buy a steam machine" that's fair enough. You can run it on arbitrary hardware, but at that point you may as well just install Arch or Cachy because that's what SteamOS is under the hood, and then you can deal with whatever hardware you have that Steam didn't account for.

[neon spoke]

I mean, if we're deciding between "400 FPS but Windows breaks constantly and spies on me sometimes" and "300FPS and I have to do some IT sometimes" that's a pretty easy call for me, you know?

[silver fable]

AAA titles are not running at 400 fps. LOL

Not in this horribly optimized era.

Borderlands 4 anyone?

[neon spoke]

I was assumiung we were talkin about Minecraft; some of those kids really really feel the need to crank it up for PVP

[silver fable]

Minecraft isn't DirectX 12

[neon spoke]

but to my point, I'll take the FPS hit