off-topic

[compact lark]

GN: nvidia your price segmentation doesn't make sense, the ti and super versions are within $50~100
nV: aight bet <makes $800 midrange gpus>

[umbral cove]

here in Brazil the 9060 XT are bein sold for quite a decent price... nearly 200 usd less than the 5060 TI.. both the 16GB versions, ofc

there was that interview response, from that guy in front o marketing of the Radeon brand... he said some dumb shit, wouldve been way better if he hadnt said anythin

[wheat karma]

Oh really what did he say

Marketing guys always very smart

[wheat karma]

well, i think this is a case of interpreting stats all wrong but being technically right

majority of gamers are also in very poor countries, like the majority of humans

[umbral cove]

the 16gb version is only ever so slightly more expensive than the 8gb one

[wheat karma]

and yea they do play at 1080p and play games that run well on toasters like cs, dota2, LoL etc

[wheat karma]

depends on region

also depends on brand and retailer as well

here it's like £50 for some of them which is a significat %

i think it would have been better if it was like a flat 12gb card no different versions but idk

would need to increase bus width then i believe but thats just a good thing imo, probably would be a good tradeoff for 4gb less ram

[wheat karma]

one retailer here has the cheapest 8gb version at £270 and cheapest 16gb version at £350 thats a huge difference

[umbral cove]

yeah.. definetely, but it prob requires some extra work, otherwise i see no reason why they wouldnt have gone with that

the issue with the 8g vs 16g is mostly for the uninformed ppl

[wheat karma]

its all about profit, i think they figured this way they'd get more bucks by forcing ppl to upgrade to the 16gb version for a far greater premium than it costs them

illusion of choice

not what i expected from AMD but its natural they would now follow in the footsteps of the market leader ngreedia

altho the 8gb version is a solid choice for 1080p

just dont ever expect to play at anything higher

i play at 1664x936, but sadly i also use windows 7 atm and i bet amd dont release drivers for that so i guess they messed up their plan, didnt see windows 7 in their stats 😂

[umbral cove]

only for lighter titles

recent heavier ones already pegs 8gb with certain ease

[wheat karma]

yeah but i think it'd be fine mostly, ofc it wont be for too long either, thats part of the scam

and u cant always expect to play at highest settings in mid-lower range gpus anyway

honestly i'd buy that shit right away if i could actually use it xd

would be a nice upgrade over the 1660 i have but i only play old games so its like whatever

[compact lark]

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/map/electricity_average/
I thought PC gaming might be an expensive hobby to operate with electric prices, but converting to USD doesn't give insight into purchasing power outside the US right?

[livid plover]

It really doesn't

You need to compare it in relation to average income too

[compact lark]

probably why no one is invading Iran for their 0.4 cents kWh electrical grid
ah Zimbabwe is 25% the price of Iran, and they probably don't have nukes

[livid plover]

They went straight to the source of that energy instead

[karmic tiger]

<@&715347355565817879>

[void gale]

whats your city temp?

[full fern]

Today's high was 88f (31c) . Now it's 86 and we have a nice breeze, so it feels a lot cooler. We don't have air conditioning in the house except for one room, so it's been a lil sweaty. How about you?

[void gale]

its decent for now due to been cloudy but summer is too hot averaging mostly at 36c
I am using AC to use my pc but i dont feel its healthy to use daily

[full fern]

Hopefully it stays moderate for you for quite awhile longer.

[wheat karma]

Need ac for your pc or yourself?

[void gale]

Ac for pc
I dont like to stay in AC but since i stay in same room to use pc i cant avoid it.
I set AC at 24 or 23c whenever i want to play heavy AAA game at max settings

[silver fable]

AC set to 18C here.

[carmine ibex]

if you're okay with less fps, you could undervolt the gpu and only lose slightly over 10% clock speed for 30% less power consumption (assuming you had the clocks increased with stock voltage, originally)

eh, it really is just about 10% less clock speed for 30% less power consumption on the top end

[void gale]

I am aware of it but i dont want change things except i do use 65c thermal limit in bios sometimes because i am worried about pc parts if i change things so i like to use default

[carmine ibex]

you can also do a simple power limit, it works reasonably well (can't dial in like custom clocks can, though)

[wheat karma]

Move to cold country, use 5090 as heater, never need to worry about pc temps, ez life

[void gale]

its hard to move to another country because of passport,visa to live permanently
are there any cold country with good internet and easy to travel? still i need to find source of income there which is too much hassle :(

[livid plover]

Scandinavia i guess

[terse helm]

svalbard

[livid plover]

naaah, just stick to like Alta. still in the polar circle, but also on the continent

[terse helm]

yeah but svalbard solves the visa problem by not requiring any

[livid plover]

[terse helm]

did you post in the wrong server?

[carmine ibex]

not a bad upscale?
just a random photo of my carpet I took and a model I downloaded from online
there's apparently even more powerful upscalers out there
it... looks very fake, and kind of like a painting... but, considering all it had to go with is the downscaled photo...
it's specifically 4xRealWebPhoto_v3_atd model

[shrewd spire]

Hmm apparently my account is still enabled for 1440p.

I heard that you get kicked out if you don't use it but apparently I avoided that.

10:24:48.248: [obs-nvenc: 'multitrack video video encoder 0'] settings:
10:24:48.248:     codec:        HEVC
10:24:48.248:     rate_control: CBR
10:24:48.248:     bitrate:      7500
10:24:48.248:     keyint:       120
10:24:48.248:     preset:       p5
10:24:48.248:     tuning:       hq
10:24:48.248:     multipass:    qres
10:24:48.248:     profile:      main
10:24:48.248:     width:        2560
10:24:48.248:     height:       1440
10:24:48.248:     b-frames:     0
10:24:48.248:     b-ref-mode:   0
10:24:48.248:     lookahead:    false (0 frames)
10:24:48.248:     aq:           false

(if only they would offer decent Bitrate when using 720p as your base resolution)

[carmine ibex]

In this subsection, we introduce the details of our proposed token dictionary cross-attention block. In comparison to the existing multi-head self-attention (MSA), which generates query, key, and value tokens by the input feature itself
this is way over my head

https://openaccess.thecvf.com/content/CVPR2024/papers/Zhang_Transcending_the_Limit_of_Local_Window_Advanced_Super-Resolution_Transformer_with_CVPR_2024_paper.pdf

anyway, that's what I used to upscale the image

Multilayer perceptron... oh, no.. this is... oh... this stuff is really complex

[umbral cove]

Uve received an email from them?

I did sign up for the program, but nothin so far, i guess the rollout is waity

[shrewd spire]

This was way before from the initial enhanced broadcasting beta before the feature was publicly available.

[umbral cove]

Wot 🤔

[shrewd spire]

Well they had enhanced broadcasting beta only.
They had 1440p testing before for this user group.

Then stuff went public (without 1440p)

And now they offer a 1440p beta access once again.

That initial group also had/has access to 2160p

[umbral cove]

Ohh, i see

Ive seen a few doin 2160p.. yeah

[copper notch]

2160p at what bitrate tho, 10Mbps?

[shrewd spire]

From what I remember yeah

[copper notch]

oof

[copper notch]

someone should make an alias domain... blurrylegoblocks.tv that points there. 🙂

[karmic tiger]

.....

[umbral cove]

It doesnt look bad, just not better than 1080p60 at 8mbps with AVC

On bigger screens, probs get an edge(1440p n 2160p)

[stark dune]

we increased the resolution by 300% but the bitrate only 67%

what's the point of this?

I guess it's fine if you play the video on a 1080p display. will be the same stuff as youtube where you select the higher resolution purely for the bitrate

[copper notch]

IIRC, HEVC is about 25% more efficient than AVC, but 4k is 4x the real estate of 1080p. You don't need 4x the bitrate to encode it efficiently due to motion compensation, and other factors, but going from 6Mbps to 10Mbps seems insufficient by a longshot if you ask me. It might be ok for people doing video streams of computer programming, sharing their 4k screen or similar mostly-static content, or talking head streams with no flashing colored lights in the background.

I predict for video game streaming it is going to be terrible though. Will believe otherwise when I see it though. 🙂

With YouTube recommending 12Mbps for 1080p60 baseline with H.2.64... 4k60 10Mbps even with HEVC is gonna be a challenge methinks.

I have my encoder for YouTube set to HEVC @ 25Mbps at 1440p60

[livid plover]

so they're catering to the bathtub streams

[shrewd spire]

Let's just say the just chatting category which would make sense.

[livid plover]

yeah that'd probably be a more inclusive way to say it

[copper notch]

Yeah, a lot of just chatting steams may work ok I guess, or art streams that are low motion of someone painting or drawing or things like that.

[livid plover]

but yes, that and coding streams would benefit. and if someone were to stream MMO with the game stripped out so it's just the number-filled GUI maybe

[copper notch]

But gamers will likely think "oh yeah, 1440p here we come!" and get sued by LEGO for all the lego blocks in their video. 🙂

RIP kappagen

[void gale]

anyone has good msi afterner and rtss simple good customization?
where can i get them? youtube i guess?

[livid plover]

Gpu settings are individual if you're looking for overclock/etc. Rtss you mean the overlay setup/how it looks i guess?

[void gale]

yes just to customize how good it looks

[stark dune]

afterburner doesn't have a lot of customization. RTSS tho, you can go wild with the overlay editor

[carmine ibex]

Not at real time speeds, at least

[stark dune]

if you ask me, 1080p 6Mbps isn't enough in the first place so going to both to HEVC and increasing bitrate is needed

[void gale]

I tried 6Mbps with Av1 encoder and youtube transcoded my video to vp09 . however i felt like i should use 8Mbps atleast minimum for 1080p. 12Mbps looks good :)

[stark dune]

depends on what you stream. If I stream some racing game, 12 Mbps will look like hot garbage

[livid plover]

Or heavy foliage yeah

[sudden adder]

there is a demo for an FPS game I played yesterday that has a Streamer mode that removes all the wall textures, and just does smooth shading and such.

its called Bloodthief

[terse helm]

lol

[stark dune]

I guess you can just set texture quality and foliage to low and that should do it

[sudden adder]

the game doesnt have any other options for setting texture quality

[stark dune]

I meant overall games but this is cool as well

I got an idea now. record some gameplay with the texture on, and some with it off. use CQ and see how the bitrate changes

[copper notch]

Yep, need 12Mbps+ for 1080p60 to not suck.

[terse helm]

that's an insane difference

at what point is streamer mode worse than slightly wonky encoding

[stark dune]

yeah, but when you make the walls shite, you free up data to be used on other details

since you're streaming using CBR

[terse helm]

I understand the rationale

but like I said there's a point where the intentional lack of detail surpasses the lack of detail from encoding

[void gale]

valorant game

[stark dune]

not the worst game to stream in terms of limited bitrate

[jaunty fulcrum]

racing games love limited bitrate

[stark dune]

they love it when they wanna look like garbage

[shrewd spire]

Guess the asphalt is acting like Minecraft grass texture

[carmine ibex]

Sorry, I started to dig into the details/scientific paper, and that's a mistake 😅
Was starting to get overwhelmed

[karmic tiger]

@marsh helm
https://bsky.app/profile/in-otter-news.bsky.social/post/3lray33a2uc2y

[modern yoke]

I swear I get this phenomenon way too often in my life. Basically I will have a thought or question and then a few days later i will see someone else talk about it or address it some way

Like 5 or so days ago i was thinking to myself why the system32 folder in windows is called system32 and not system64 since modern windows is 64-bit

Turns out that ThioJoe, a tech channel on youtube, uploaded a video explaining this 3 days ago.

[shrewd spire]

Dinosaurs

Aka backwards compatibility

Would be my guess

[modern yoke]

That's correct!

[karmic tiger]

for a fun one, try naming a file NUL or AUX

[modern yoke]

Interesting! It won't let me. I'm guessing for backwards compatibility as well? i also heard that's the reason drive letters start at C: because A and B are reserved for the "two standard floppy disk drives" that were common on really ancient computers

And probably a looooot of software is hardcoded to look in the C: directory, making it near impossible to change

[karmic tiger]

yup backwards compatibility from DOS

[modern yoke]

Aren't there also certain names you can't give folders? Or are those the same as files...

The funny thing is, there is so much backwards compatibility, but a few years ago I tried playing old CD windows games that were probably designed for windows 98 or XP, but they didn't work on Windows 10.

[tall vapor]

there's actually a syswow64 folder too, btw (wow64 being windows on windows 64, and as the name might imply that's the 32bit env to make 32bit applications work on 64bit windows).... what makes it especially funny is that yes, on a 64 bit windows system the 64bit stuff is in system32 and the 32bit stuff is in syswow64

[modern yoke]

I learned that from the thiojoe video! At first glance it does seem super weird and backwards the way they are named.

[tall vapor]

does make sense if ya know the background as for why it like that, but yes seeing it at first is confusin 😅

[silver fable]

Also works for filenames like LPT1.

[karmic tiger]

yee there's a bunch of them

CON too

[silver fable]

Indeed, indeed.

[tall vapor]

yup yup

[modern yoke]

pretty unrelated, but I wonder where the ram limits come from of windows 11. Whether it's just a "design decision" or if there's a "real" hardware reason. I understand home being limited to 128GB, and Pro being limited to 2TB, but why isn't the limit for Enterprise edition the actual theoretical 64-bit memory limit?

[karmic tiger]

which is funny to frrench people because it means dumbass

[tall vapor]

that's cause on dos the device files are global like that (on CP/M too, which is where DOS got it from), rather than in /dev/ specifically like they be on *nix

why? Cause early DOS versions LITERALLY didn't have folders or anythin of those sorts

and that is why you still can't name your folder CON on u2d win11

[modern yoke]

not having folders is crazy

[tall vapor]

no that is literally just MS trying to sell higher priced windows versions

and the limit on enterprise& pro for WS isn't even all that high either, but again at that point they wanna sell you a high price win server version

[modern yoke]

I know, but there doesn't seem to be anything beyond "Windows 11 Enterprise". I totally get why they limit the other editions though. Is it because they have some kind of other service beyond that, which just isn't visible in the table?

[tall vapor]

yes

windows server

windows server if ya pay enough can go beyond that

[modern yoke]

Is windows server 2016 the latest?

scrollign down a bit further reveals this

[tall vapor]

2025 is

[karmic tiger]

yeeee ^^

[modern yoke]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/memory/memory-limits-for-windows-releases#physical-memory-limits-windows-11

[tall vapor]

tho dunno whether that's RTM yet

[tall vapor]

oh okie ya was GA in nov 2024

okie

rtm was in may 2024 already

[modern yoke]

would be cool to deck out a pc with 2TB of ram

you literally won't run out of it in 2025 with even "normal" heavy use.

[tall vapor]

ma next desktop sys is gonna be 128gig MINIMUM

think by the time I actually get around to it 256 will be feasible

current is 32, buuuuuttt I offload stuffs to other systems to make that work

[modern yoke]

BRUH what???

I have 16gb and I feel like I'm swimming in an ocean of ram

Going from 8gb though

[tall vapor]

16 is what ma steamdeck got

[tall vapor]

and even then without zram I'd be runnin OOM quite regularly

[modern yoke]

zram? OOM?

[tall vapor]

memory compression

OutOfMemory

[modern yoke]

I also hope to have a 128GB computer in the future, but 64GB is probably more realistic for me in the next couple of years

[scarlet kernel]

As someone with 64GB of RAM, it's more than fine

[modern yoke]

What actually happens if you run out of memory? I feel like I haven't run out of memory in foreeeeveeer. Does the program just halt?

[scarlet kernel]

RAM needs are heavily based on what you do, though

[tall vapor]

got a laptop sittin to the left of me (sometimes it's a laptop, sometimes it's ma tablet), old computer is sittin over in the attic and I offload stuff to that too and such

[scarlet kernel]

The system will start to use the "page file" or swap partition. Basically, uses your hard drive as memory.

It HEAVILY throttles performance

[modern yoke]

The only times I ran out of memory are when searching through very deep trees in coding projects. But either java or python do the handling of figuring out when to stop.

[modern yoke]

that's lovely to know!

[tall vapor]

64 will be practical min for next sys ya, but I don't even wanna think about memory soooo 128 it is

and like next sys is years out

soo

[modern yoke]

I know 16GB is starting to seem low for some users but I still consider it good. As long as you're not doing more than one pretty resource intensive thing at a time.

[scarlet kernel]

16GB is too low for me specifically due to playing modded minecraft heavily

[tall vapor]

decently resource intensive ya cause 16 going to a single task isn't that rare at all no more

tho ya depends on what ya do

[scarlet kernel]

My lil mini server box runs 16GB right now and it's struggling

But it's an HP EliteDesk Mini- it only supports up to 32GB anyways

[tall vapor]

got 24 in ma server box, which is old PC

[scarlet kernel]

Mine is an i7-8700 and 16GB of RAM

It's a good lil box

[tall vapor]

a ryzen 7 1700 can still do quite a lot for such uses

funny tho that 1700 to 3700x upgrade happened as soon as the 3700x was available for purchase, been on the 3700x as primary since

[scarlet kernel]

Right now the server runs a 12GB Modded minecraft server (which regularly hits max and I have to restart once it's too much for GC), a file sharing service (share.ashen.beauty), and a few other miscellaneous docker containers

[modern yoke]

It's crazy how it scales... 16GB is great for a lot of stuff. Like you can actually store a ton in it. But on some computer science projects I've felt like even 32GB or 64GB wouldn't be enough. Probably 1TB would. It's like there's a kind of barrier where just doubling your ram doesn't mean you're gonna get twice as far. But in a lot of situations you are though

[wheat karma]

only thing i use that eats ram is chrome, everything else can make do with 8gb or less

based chrome, 1gb per tab 💪

google ads go hard af

[scarlet kernel]

I only use Chrome for work, I use Vivaldi otherwise

[wheat karma]

holy shit, im just on a retailer website and its using 1.3gb for that tab?????

[tall vapor]

ma x280 got8 gigs, which is quite serviceable on the lin side of things. Couldn't imagine tryin to use a windows sys with 8 gigs of ram these days

[wheat karma]

theres nothing on there besides like 10 images of gpus i cant afford

that cant be right, seriously

[scarlet kernel]

As an ads indutry person, a lot of that is possibly scripts for tracking

[tall vapor]

yup yup ubo in a browser where it's actually fully functional (ie not chrome) works wonders

def part of what makes ma x280 as comfy to use as it is, in combination with it not runnin win of course

[modern yoke]

computers

[tall vapor]

yes, we're talking about computers

[modern yoke]

was typing a really long message but thought nah fuck it

it reached like 7 lines and I had the realization that probably no one cared.

[tall vapor]

ok

dunno why ya think that but okie

[livid plover]

Mood

[carmine ibex]

you can already get 256gb in consumer pc, but it's slower ram

[tall vapor]

yes. And I no want /THAT/

[stark dune]

I mean if you're gonna go with a ryzen system, getting 4 dimms to work at high speed will require manual tuning

unless you'll go with zen 6 and the new IMC on it will be friendly with 4 dimms, who knows

so best case for you would probably be 2x64 GB if you want at least 128 gigs

[prisma dove]

replied to in the first channel where you posted

[tall vapor]

not going for a new system at this moment anyway, it's still years out

[stark dune]

by that time we might have AM6/DDR6 then 😄

most likely coming in 2027

[tall vapor]

If I won't end up on the medusa halo successor or sth like that anyway

[stark dune]

for a main system?

[tall vapor]

[wheat karma]

What's zen6

[stark dune]

cpu architecture

5000 series was zen 3, 7000 was zen 4, 9000 was zen 5

so next gen will be zen 6

[wheat karma]

It's not out yet right, so you can't really do much with it

[tall vapor]

no ofc it not out yet

[stark dune]

I was talking about the future

[wheat karma]

Ah right

Zen6 gonna be am5?

[stark dune]

current rumors say yes

and it makes sense based on the fact that AMD promised support for AM5 until 2027

zen 6 as last gen on AM5 early '26, X3D down the line and more stuff even later

[tall vapor]

yes zen6 is gonna be am5

zen7 tho? maybe, maybe not

[wheat karma]

Until, so if zen6 is released jan 2027 then they can release it on am6 without breaking their promises

[stark dune]

zen 7 will defo be on AM6

[stark dune]

it's coming next year

[tall vapor]

amd tends to switch sockets when new ram

[wheat karma]

I see

[tall vapor]

so question is if ddr6 will be a thing by the time zen7 comes around

[wheat karma]

So am6 is expected 2027 - 2028?

[stark dune]

it's already a thing

[tall vapor]

fair fair, in terms of spec and all

but ya

[wheat karma]

Maybe I'll have money by then???

[tall vapor]

could very well be that the last year of am5 support will be refreshes of existin chips 🤷‍♀️

[stark dune]

I'm too poor to buy into the newest stuff

so I'll buy into zen 6 and run that for the next billion years

DDR5 will be even cheaper by then

[wheat karma]

Same plan, intel 4th gen still going strong, it will never quit

[tall vapor]

currently on am4 with the 3700x, will be for years to come

[stark dune]

damn, I'm on a 5900X

I used to have a 3700X

[wheat karma]

Too poor, has 5900x

Dunno

[stark dune]

I buy expensive once, then run it for the longest time

[tall vapor]

they been very affordable on sale

[wheat karma]

Yeah fair

[stark dune]

I didn't buy it brand new at MSRP

[tall vapor]

esp by the time the 7000 series was available

ya

[stark dune]

it was already with a pretty good discount

I bought it in '21, so it already had like 100+ Eur discount

[wheat karma]

What I did with my system was buy it with the intel pentium g3258 dual core anniversary, oced that cheap af chip to 4.2ghz

[stark dune]

and I sold my 3700X so in reality I had to put in like 300 Eur of my own money

[wheat karma]

Back in the day ocing to get some value was a nice option

But that hasn't existed in any useful capacity for a while unfortunately

[stark dune]

oh btw, since you're running a 4th gen intel cpu, I just got a system from work for free with an 8th gen i3 that I'm gonna use as a NAS 😄

[wheat karma]

Lol

[stark dune]

now you UV to get some nice value

boosting basically made OC'ing mostly useless

[wheat karma]

Yeah there's gonna be a ton of < 8th gen pcs in the scrap after October, when in reality they'll keep working just fine even without updates , it's not like they'll be immediately hacked or become useless but yeah

[stark dune]

I'd like a laptop for very cheap onto which I could slap linux

and use it for browsing or watching YT when I'm away somewhere

[wheat karma]

And I'm pretty sure you can install win11 onto 2nd-7th gen even if it's not officially supported

[stark dune]

there are win 11 editions which don't require TPM/secure boot

[tall vapor]

don't do those "editions", just create an installer with rufus it can disable those requirements no prob

[wheat karma]

Yeah, so idk why microsoft is like you might have "issues", what issues

[wheat karma]

Ofc ofc

[tall vapor]

tho be aware that release upgrades are unlikely to work

[stark dune]

can't disable the bloat that comes with the "cancer" editions

that's how I call the normal home/pro win 11

[tall vapor]

ofc ya can

[wheat karma]

Are you using win11 to disable bloat? Wrong os for that, try linux

[tall vapor]

and at least ya know what's up with it as compared to the ones slipstreamed together by some random guy in his basement

🙃

[stark dune]

uhh

display info is wrong, idk wtf is up with that

[tall vapor]

tho the one actually viable windows that ms still makes are the LTSC releases

[wheat karma]

Whatever modification I make I do it by hand cos yeah I don't trust Microsoft but I trust random internet guys even less

[stark dune]

Win 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC, that's what I ran for a while

[wheat karma]

I tried ltsc win 11 and pro, there was barely any difference in bloat

[stark dune]

and I wouldn't dare install normal win 11 on my system

[wheat karma]

As opposed to win10 where there's a much bigger difference

[stark dune]

wrong ltsc

[wheat karma]

Hm i didn't try the iot one but yeah

[stark dune]

how about this empty?

[wheat karma]

But for me I think I'll stick with win10 for many more years (currently on 7, will downgrade to 10 when steam stops working completely)

I like the new interface of win11 but hate everything else

[tall vapor]

oh gosh the interface is one of the worst things abt 11

but okie

I no use it

nor 10 for that matter

so MS

could ya please make it worse? I'm sure y'all be cookin!

[amber sparrow]

Win11 is fiiiiiiiiine

You PCMR stuck in your ways folks are funny

[tall vapor]

Yus yus I'm stuck in ma Linux-y ways

[amber sparrow]

F LINUX(for the same reason I just complained about) hahahaha

STUCK IN MY WAYS

[tall vapor]

Thank the goddess for that

[tall vapor]

I'm sure you can make adult play thingies that be runnin lin, that way you can literally F Linux if that's what ya want 🤷‍♀️

[amber sparrow]

[tall vapor]

Windows could never!

[void gale]

have u debloated or this is how Win 11 LTSC works?

[stark dune]

this is literally what you see the first time you load up the desktop

[void gale]

LTSC is meant for business users right?
is it good for general users?gamers?

[stark dune]

in my case it's IoT enterprise LTSC so yeah, it's not meant for normal users

but it's the same windows just barebones

and doesn't treat you completely like a 5 year old

[terse helm]

ah the 10-year-olds have made it onto the internet again

[prisma dove]

bored yutes

[sage quartz]

im not 10 vro

[terse helm]

you sure

[sage quartz]

yes ong

[prisma dove]

yeah let's see some id

[opaque halo]

10 is shooting high

[sage quartz]

no

[sudden adder]

sub 9

[terse helm]

10.5 tops

[opaque halo]

Apparently can't read either

[prisma dove]

moving on...

[sage quartz]

ima say tho, oikawa looks hot if he was girl

[still turret]

@sage quartz only warning here, chill on the shit posting.

[void gale]

tired of microsoft services are far from me i guess
very slow windows store and windows updates

[strange abyss]

hey is it possible to find somones name with a phone number?

do any of you so happen to know

[livid plover]

Only if they or someone posted it online

Or just call it and ask them kindly?

[strange abyss]

its my stalker i wanna find out if its someone i know

or who it is so i can file it to the police

[left heart]

I'd imagine the police would be able to work with the phone number on its own

[strange abyss]

yea but its a swedish number

i doubt it

[ashen halo]

anyone know how to use discord on OBS and OMEtv?

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[livid plover]

Ome.tv/omegle block virtual camera's as it's against their TOS, so can't help you there

[modern yoke]

I just read the quote of the day

The best way to predict the future is to create it

[marsh helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVV0QAEeglU Blender 4.5 - Vulkan Has Arrived!

[void gale]

Friends how much is
One plus 13 (256gb) and Iphone 16(256gb) price in your country?

Please convert it to usd in google and tell me

In my region its
Iphone 16 = 877$
One plus 13 = 818$

[stark dune]

both about $900-950 before VAT, so ~950-1000 Eur with everything

we have 21% VAT btw

[tall vapor]

op13 887€ (1017us)
ip16 922€ (1058us)

both inc 20% VAT

[void gale]

👍🏻

[tall vapor]

so really they right around the same price

[void gale]

i thought iphones are cheaper in eu,us

[tall vapor]

uh us prices are prolly cheaper ya, but u no has gotten any replies from US folk yet

[void gale]

i see this ad everywhere ^

[stark dune]

<@&715347355565817879>

[amber sparrow]

But then need to add on 7% tax

So 854 and 961 usd

[umbral cove]

nearly the same amount ive paid on my phone

160 usd

[left mulch]

I’m hoping the next iPhone actually makes me want to buy it

[wheat karma]

I'm hoping anyone brings back real fingerprint sensors

(the side button ones are trash unfortunately)

[tall vapor]

tbh the under screen ones work perfectly fine

the side button ones are just too small for me to trust them, tbh

[wheat karma]

You mean optical or ultrasonic

[tall vapor]

the latter

[wheat karma]

I've used both but only tried the ultrasonic ones on xiaomi not Samsung

Idk if the Samsung implementation is better

[tall vapor]

ma p7a got an optical one and like even that works fine

[wheat karma]

My fingers are cooked tho, they barely have fingers prints

Optical ones will straight up never work

[amber sparrow]

I was never a fan of the side button. I forget which phone exactly it was, maybe an LG, that I had with side button and it was awful

One of em had a rear button and that was fine

[wheat karma]

Ultrasonic is like 50/50 and normal is like 75%

[hearty stirrup]

the ones built into stuff like the power button are far more prone to failure

[tall vapor]

that sounds like a you problem

[wheat karma]

Well it is, but normal fingerprint sensor is way better for me

[tall vapor]

either way, sensor on me p7a works fine for me so I don't really care

[amber sparrow]

Buy new finger prints. EZ

[wheat karma]

And only the most expensive ones have ultrasonic

[tall vapor]

secondhand?

hah. hahahah. hah.

[wheat karma]

You never have issues with the optical one?

[tall vapor]

nop

[wheat karma]

The ultrasonic tech is pretty cool in theory, I've heard it doesn't work well with certain / any? Screen protectors which is not awesome but yeah

[amber sparrow]

Apparently my a54 uses an optical and my s20 uses ultra sonic. Honestly the optical does seem to work a hair better for me

[wheat karma]

unexpected but interesting

[amber sparrow]

When I was messing with pools daily, the ultra sonic was far more finicky than the optical

Chlorine is an asshole

[tall vapor]

well it's still a 3 year gap in terms of release, so it kinda does make sense that the newer one can be better

and yup ultrasonics got problems all of their own

[tall vapor]

depends. Some do better, some do worse. If on a pixel it doesn't really work with the screen protector no more you can recalibrate it and that should fix it right up

other phones rarely let ya do that, tho

the sensor on mine wasn't perfect ootb either, dunno what went on there. BUUUUT I just recalibrated it once and it's been going strong since

[wary holly]

one plus 13 256gb ~930 usd
iphone 16 256gb ~1 085 usd

[prisma dove]

dude, so many characters.... so little meaning

[full fern]

<@&715347355565817879> Scam

[amber sparrow]

<@&715347355565817879> sussy baka

[sharp shadow]

yo

[wary holly]

Wait a damn minute. What do you mean smartphones now cost $1000? What happened, is there a worldwide silicon shortage specifically for smartphones now?

[tall vapor]

nothin more than late stage capitalism in combination with erosion of the midrange

same as is seen with graphics cards and everything else, really

[livid plover]

you can still get 300$ ones

but people with more money than sense gonna do things with those money

[tall vapor]

yes, the 300 bucks ones are the price bracket that used to be the 150 tier

[wary holly]

I can understand PCs, in the last 10 years we went from 1080p60 to 1440p120 (those who could afford it, at least), but what did smartphones improve in the last 10 years? Facebook launches 10 ms faster?

[livid plover]

it launches slower cause meta devs are useless, but phones are 120hz now too

[tall vapor]

PCs used to get faster year over year all while goin down in price, actually 😅

but eh whatever, gonna continue being happy with ma p7a as phone for years to come

roundabout 350 is what I paid for that

[wary holly]

Laptops are kinda ass these days. Less I/O, battery is hard to replace, no room for a SATA drive.

[livid plover]

cuz nvme took over

[tall vapor]

honestly I prefer the space that used to be taken up by sata to house another battery cell

there's plenty of laptops that can be configured with bigger battery OR sata 2.5"

and honestly? Imma take bigger battery every single time

hell, m.2 NVMe drives are literally cheaper than sata 2.5" ones plenty of times

simply cause

less

you got pcb and stuff that sits on the pcb, but you save yourself the extra connector on there and the housing

and the pcb itself is smaller too

[livid plover]

and the housing is 70% empty anyway, just there to house a few threaded holes at most

[tall vapor]

yup

I got a 120GB SSD from back in the day which is PACKED

but it just ain't like that no more

😅

[livid plover]

shame you can't minaturize speaker crossovers the same those things get bulky

[tall vapor]

and ya dependin on laptop the IO these days is literally so much more than it used to be

yes less physical ports maybe

but the IO bandwith that ya got?

no comparison

doesn't help you to get stuff in&out when you got a stack of ports if all of them are USB 2.0, a firewire port and yaaa

[livid plover]

hah, those days..

[tall vapor]

ma x220 is usb 2.0 only

the card reader in it is literally faster than it's usb connection

cause the card reader on it is PCIe

[livid plover]

yeah, classic that usb sd card readers were rough vs a built in one

[tall vapor]

I still use the x220 for that from time to time

cause it got raw access to cards

ie shows up as /dev/mmcblk

rather than /dev/sdx

ya don't need raw access to copy stuff to&from, sure

but when ya wanna figure out what exact card it is

and such?

can't get around it

[livid plover]

still kinda weirded out by a full reformat "fixing" this SD card being stuck at 8MB/s writes

[tall vapor]

would've needed a trim most prolly

SSDs and such all do that on their own whenever the os tells them to

SD cards?

ya

dependin on the card you might even be able to tell it to just dump it's contents

but that can obv only be done via native conn, not usb card readers

so full reformat it is

that is something that's likely to improve with SDexpress

well, when they natively connected that is

😅

cause well SDexpress cards? Those are literally just NVMe SSDs

the only device thus far afaik that folk like have that wants sd express cards is the switch2

maybe there some cameras

but ya

ah ye no right

fullsize sd express has been around for a couple years

but micro sd express? Literally only coming out /NOW/ p much

but ya. I expect for things like the deck2 to have a microsd express slot too

[left heart]

oh nice, SD is on PCIe now too?

[terse helm]

SD express is yes

those cards aren't common though because the Switch 2 kinda pulled that format out of the grave, and it only takes micro-SDs

[left heart]

I remember some cameras advertising the CFexpress cards that are on PCIe, that was neat but it's all mostly irrelevant to me since I have no interest in getting a new camera

[modern yoke]

I love solving problems with computers

[terse helm]

CFExpress is basically the same concept but in Compact Flash form factor

[livid plover]

aren't some stuff like the RED's just on actual 2.5" ssd's these days?

[tall vapor]

it's funny how everything is slowly but surely moving over to PCIe

[left heart]

well, no interest in getting a new consumer camera :P

[terse helm]

lots of things use 2.5" SSDs yes

[tall vapor]

the red cards? Those are mSATA drives

maybe there are NVMe ones these days too for their really new cams

but ya

obv sat in their own housing with their own connector and serialised so that the cam only accepts official ones

[left heart]

ofc

maybe that'll change if Nikon actually believes in the idea that was behind releasing service manuals for their cameras and lenses rather than performatively doing that

[tall vapor]

oh fun fact: panasonic had the P2 cards back in the day. Those were pc cards (often times referred to as PCMCIA, but PCMCIA is the name of the association and not the actual standard) cards housing a raid controller that runs 4 SD cards in raid0

cause SD cards back then simply weren't fast enough for what they were tryin to do

[tall vapor]

and that whole thing abt folk calling the connector PCMCIA even tho it's not called that reminds me of IDE. IDE stands for integrated drive electronics and has nothing to do with the connector/interface. The connector/interface that folk refer to as IDE is actually called PATA.

Which yes also brings up the whole RJ45 thing. No, your ethernet cable doesn't use RJ45 connectors. RJ45 had an extra key on the side, what's used for ethernet is 8p8c (actual rj45 is an 8p8c connector too, but ya only the one with the extra key on the side is rj45)

[rocky mist]

Hello, I would like delete my account in a Forum? Someone can help? thnaks.

(I check the preferences, I didn't see anything)

[sudden adder]

[e-mail] probably best to email them

[void gale]

heavy rain,thunders,lightning here
I am panicked and woke up suddenly.
any tips on how to avoid these heavy thunder sounds?

[open rune]

Move some place without thunderstorms so you miss them instead

[full fern]

I sleep with a white noise app that allows you to customize the sound. One part of the mix is a bassy sound that helps cover up bass noise like trucks that go by, thunder would be covered by that too.

Hooked a phone up to an old speaker to accomplish it.

[vapid tinsel]

"Alexa, tell sleep sounds to play Zen. Alexa, sleep timer three hours.'
Yawn.
Roll over.
Good night.

[civic quarry]

<@&715347355565817879>

[smoky rapids]

While the server is always a hotbed for spammers/compromised accounts there's the one that seems to be "new" and solely image based ones.

If any of the modmins can change a filter or trigger for the bots have it detect if a message has images name 1/2/3/4.jpg

[carmine ibex]

[left mulch]

@cosmic edge don’t post ads here

[cosmic edge]

dawg im sorry bro told me to advertise his channel

[civic quarry]

There are #rules for this server. Even if you got told to do so, they still apply

[void gale]

obs studio on steam ha?
need to pay for steam right for that?
people can download from official site and use this app so why steam?

[carmine ibex]

isn't it just like $100 initial cost

[civic quarry]

Still free on Steam

[stark dune]

valve takes 30% of what you sell on steam. if OBS is free, how can they take money? It doesn't cost anything to add OBS to steam, or to host it. Valve doesn't even care if you do all your MTX outside of steam and keep everything you sell

that last part is unrelated to OBS, but just making a point

[carmine ibex]

yeah, pretty sure you just have to pay publishing fee, which, IIRC.. is $100?

and then it's on there for good

[stark dune]

oh yeah, there is a one time fee for putting it on steam

[stark dune]

In order to get fully set up, you will need to pay a $100.00 USD fee for each product you wish to distribute on Steam (the "Steam Direct Fee"). You can pay this fee with any payment method supported by Steam in your region, except methods that use the Steam Wallet.

This fee is not refundable, but will be recoupable in the payment made after your product has at least $1,000.00 USD Adjusted Gross Revenue for Steam Store and in-app purchases.

so they only charge $100 after you make $1000

[carmine ibex]

yeah

[stark dune]

if you don't make that 1k by having your game/software be free and MTX free, you never pay that fee

[carmine ibex]

which, it's not making any money

[stark dune]

good on valve

[carmine ibex]

oh, free games you don't have to?

[stark dune]

if your game is free and you don't make any money from MTX, you never pay that fee

[carmine ibex]

huh...

[civic quarry]

And besides Steam there's also the M$ store

[stark dune]

or you know, just github

[civic quarry]

Yup

[void gale]

ok friends i am ordering One Plus 13 mobile for 899$

[karmic tiger]

good for you?

[stark dune]

I don't see a point in phones that expensive

but I barely use my phone, it's different for everyone

I had a high-end phone once, that was enough

[livid plover]

i was happy with the one plus i had some years back, hope it'll treat ya well

[void gale]

I also dont want to spend much but if i spend less money i am losing features like good display(OLED) , good touch response , os and security updates , battery life

[flint torrent]

whats the best mutlistream chat overlay so i can see chat from youtube, twitch and tiktok at the same time while playing a game. i only have 1 pc screen

[carmine ibex]

god, I hate the scrolling on pages
who thinks this is a good idea

scroll to move something along

[livid plover]

Native browser scroll good. Anything that overrides/changes that is just insta yikes

[void gale]

so sliding > scrolling?

[terse helm]

you mean Lenis?

[carmine ibex]

yeah, too many product pages that move an animation along when you scroll

surely they know that drives people away

[terse helm]

that clearly does not drive people away or it would've been a thing of the past already

[livid plover]

It doesn't, because people just shrug and continue scrolling

[terse helm]

tbh I don't mind those scrolling animations

what I mind is website that hijack scrolling to make it 'smooth', i.e. that use lenis

[livid plover]

Or scroll by notches/elements. Or hijack/disallow mmb click to scroll

[void gale]

Finally i bought One Plus 13 white colour from offline store right now (16gbram/512gb)
They gave black pouch instead of white

[modern yoke]

Think if the fastest consumer pc build you can do in 2025. Now double the specs, meaning twice the cores, twice the ram, twice the clock speeds etc. What are you doing with this pc? Is it something you can’t already do some of?

[stable forge]

Videogames

[modern yoke]

W

On a different note I need some advice. I have a few hundreds of gb of random archived stuff that is important to me. Like games, videos, photos and just other stuff as well. And I wanna do backups on different devices. But what is a good way of doing that? Is it a good idea to compress it, and if so what is the best compression method for this?

Right now im running a 7z on basically the whole drive (except ntfs drive files and the drives recycling bin) and im seeing about 25% less space being used so far but its only 5% complete.

Idk if there is anything better to do. I imagine that I will do a backup between every month or every 3 months depending on how much I add to this “archive drive”

I treat it as a drive where I basically dump anything I wanna backup and have it sorted in a somewhat neat way.

[unborn lark]

Interesting 🤔. @terse helm this Vs Rockville

[tall vapor]

I got myself a umc204hd with a broken usb port for like a couple bucks years ago and just swapped the port aye, been runnin it ever since

[wheat karma]

Videos and photos don't really compress well with lossless compression algorithms, some games do but not many these days, so your best bet is save a lot of time and just copy everything to another drive

[modern yoke]

You're right. The compressoin ratio has since gone up to 94% so there's very little gain for a huuuge amount of time

[livid plover]

Grab compactGUI and run on your systen drive, it'll skip non-conpressible. Saved me 14gb on my 120gb boot drive

[modern yoke]

the downfall has begun

I heard rumors about people seeing ads in their recommended page. Now there is a whatsapp ad.

big sad

At least have a little " (i) " icon that lets you know it's an ad when you click or hover on it

I dont have whatsapp

thank fuck there is a way to turn it off

yet another burried windows setting to remember to switch off when setting up a new computer

to be fair it was easy to find but it shouldn't be there in the first place

would you pay a yearly fee to have a "clean" windows that NEVER shows you ads or tries to feed you stuff you don't need? I think I would... Hopefully this shit isn't on the pro versoin of windows. im on home edition currently btw.

[marsh helm]

more rumors of next zen being 12 cores per ccd

and up to 24 cores per chip

with 2028 bringing 32 cores

i would love 24 cores

[tall vapor]

well ya that makes sense, honestly that's not even a rumour no more practically speakin

[wheat karma]

Next intel chip rumours, 32 efficiency cores, 0 performance cores

Make mobile windows great again

Whatsapp will run smooth

[tall vapor]

that sounds more like a smaller version of sierra forest

[livid plover]

What's next, it'll be arm too!?

[tall vapor]

naw

AMD has all dense core chips too

it's just

they're actually good

°J°

the only all efficient chip that intel has are the n100 and such

for what they are they're sweet

[marsh helm]

well its a rumor till amd says so and they havnt really said it just yet outside of the server chips going up in count

the 12 cores is full cores not dense

same with the 16

its just going to be a new socket and cutting edge sized cores

[wheat karma]

New socket?

[marsh helm]

yeah for zen 7

[wheat karma]

Is zen7 12 cores per ccd or zen6?

[marsh helm]

zen 6

[wheat karma]

Ngl if zen7 is ddr6 seems tempting but it's probably quite a few years out, dunno if I can hang on that long but maybe....

[livid plover]

New socket, already?

[tall vapor]

yes cause ddr6

[livid plover]

oh we're already at the first announced "support till then atleast" year

[tall vapor]

still a couple years out, but ye

amd on the consumer desktop side of things tends to go for ensurin 1 socket per RAM gen these days

[wheat karma]

I can't imagine ddr6 before 2028

[tall vapor]

so like once they doing DDR6 then yeah it's gonna be AM6, but before that it's gonna be AM5

[tall vapor]

late 2025 early 2026

tho more likely to be early 2026 yah

[wheat karma]

No way? That's next year??

[tall vapor]

yes, that's the plan

[wheat karma]

What feels like ddr5 just came out

[tall vapor]

and would line up with amd plannin to support am5 till 2027 quite well

have everythin up till&includin zen6 on am5, and then zen7 on am6

that how da math mathin

[tall vapor]

early 2020 is DDR5

by the time ddr6 will be there DDR5 will have been out for give or take 7 years

😅

ddr4 came out 2014

sooo....

[wheat karma]

I'm still in 2019

[tall vapor]

time does indeed pass

[karmic tiger]

I actually got that for free

it's called ubuntu

[wheat karma]

Not like this matter to me but I'm just curious, it seems amd release new zen version every 2 years, next one is expected 2026 so that would actually make zen 7 in 2028?

[tall vapor]

somewhere thereabouts yah

could be that zen6 drops this q3/q4 already, who knows

prolly not

but ya

I'd suspect may 2026 earliest

thereabouts

[modern yoke]

I was gonna to ask if it was linux, haha 😛

[tall vapor]

yes it is!

[wheat karma]

Thing is do I wanna buy the new gen of ddr and such immediately, probably not cos 1) quality control issues / bugs that need ironing out and 2) the price will be ridiculous for at least a year judging from ddr5 release

2nd factor probably more important

[tall vapor]

cuz chips like the 9700x came out back in 2024 so ya

q2/q3 2026 will have been 2y since zen5, give or take

[wheat karma]

So realistically I'm not upgrading until 2029 which is quite a long time away

[tall vapor]

yaaa I'll still be chillin with ma 3700x for years to come

coming to think of it the only hardware with ddr5 I got are

me phone&steamdeck

both lpddr5 actually

but ya

everyhing else is ddr3 or 4

most 4

hm not even most

lemme check....

x220, t430 and the smol itx sys we no know what to do with are dd3

elite x2, x280, desktop and homeserv are ddr4

steamdeck&phone are lpddr5

yah no ddr4 wins with 4 devs in active use

[unborn lark]

I mean more expensive though

[tall vapor]

well I was in the lucky position to only pay like 5 bucks for it, sooo....

[unborn lark]

Lol used

[tall vapor]

what?

[unborn lark]

I mean you got it used

[tall vapor]

so? 😅

[unborn lark]

Nothing

[livid plover]

I got a 3770k system once for free

[tall vapor]

stares at the itx system with the 4570t or whatever it is sittin right next to her

yeeeaaa those things been gettin real cheap

the one here I literally grabbed from the recycling center

dropped off my stuff, and well as I walked out ma bags mebe weren't as empty as they're supposed to have been 🤷‍♀️

[livid plover]

this one was a free pickup, "doesn't boot"
had no storage, just the 16GB Cache SSD

[tall vapor]

yup, no ssd in this one either

[livid plover]

hm, did i even keep that SSD..

[tall vapor]

the 16 gig one? good question!

[karmic tiger]

@jaunty ridge am blaming you for unplugging it

[jaunty ridge]

Understandable

https://vxtwitter.com/cyb3rops/status/1933229614358540752?t=cWW8BbNiyrvUYK9MjSX-Sg&s=19

Florian Roth ⚡️ (@cyb3rops)

It's the whole Internet

QRT: cyb3rops
Discord image uploads aren’t working and VirusTotal login fails. Looks like another minor hiccup in the flawless world of cloud infrastructure.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 12, 2025, 6:27 PM

[livid plover]

cloudflare PLZ

and google cloud platform seems to be struggling too, impressive how far it's reaching

[shrewd spire]

https://status.cloud.google.com

Likely that outage is causing a good amount of the other stuff having issues

Add cloudflare for some extra fun

[terse helm]

man it must really suck for your fuckup to be global world news

[livid plover]

and in cloudflare's case, to again be involved

<@&715347355565817879>

[karmic tiger]

cmon, don't call rule enforcement on cloudflare

[livid plover]

[left mulch]

so like, none of the internet works or what?

[full fern]

Yes

[karmic tiger]

someone tripped a wire in the internet factory

likely warchmap

[opaque halo]

Barry the Backhoe

[shrewd spire]

Update - Cloudflare’s critical Workers KV service went offline due to an outage of a 3rd party service that is a key dependency. As a result, certain Cloudflare products that rely on KV service to store and disseminate information are unavailable

Google Cloud cough (perhaps)

[karmic tiger]

xkcd 2347

the nebraska project finally collapsed

[wheat karma]

Cloudflare intern tripped on a wire

[hearty stirrup]

actually it was more likely a google cloud intern

[wheat karma]

That's the secret to crazy profit, free employees, and when they fuck up catastrophically you get free publicity too

[modern yoke]

DUUUUDE

i just looked at ram prices

how are they so cheap???

[livid plover]

time happend and production scaled up/market getting saturated

[modern yoke]

I can get 16gb for basically nothing, 32gb is outright cheap and 64gb is what I would expect 32gb to cost. These are all dual sticks from well known vendors with good respective speeds. Crazy. Well it was 5+ years ago I last looked at this to be fair.

If I had money to build a new pc it would definetely get 64gb ram. The prices for 128gb are not outragous either.

It only really gets ridiculous at 256gb.

640gb is even super cheap... Ah yes, the good old typo

[wheat karma]

What's that in gbp or dollhairs

[modern yoke]

There's some extra tax in my country so it's likely more expensive than if you bought in many other places.

[wheat karma]

Also that's ddr4 so it's expected to be cheaper

Ddr5 isn't too cheap here from what I'm seeing, it's kinda the same price as ram typically has been for years

[modern yoke]

around 1600kr for ddr5 2x 32gb at 6000MT

with prices up to 2000kr depending on vendor and such.

Is that a lot?

It's between $250 and $310

[wheat karma]

Depends on your budget I guess but I think your prices are a bit cheaper than uk (probably as expected lol)

[modern yoke]

I serously expected the lower end to be $400

[wheat karma]

You expected 64 gigs to be 400?

[modern yoke]

Yup. I haven't looked at computer part prices in a long time. 😅

Last time around was when a GTX1080ti was about the best you could buy with money

[wheat karma]

Heh yeah makes sense, I just get bored sometimes and look up what's available that I can't afford

Good times, never had a 1080ti but that card was an absolute beast and still is amazing for eSports type titles

[modern yoke]

If I had money to spend on a modern pc build I'd definetely get DDR5 64gb kit

[wheat karma]

Way ahead of it's time, nvidia crushed it with that card

[modern yoke]

Yup! I'm still enjoying my GTX 1070. I imagine it struggles with modern AAA games but I don't even dare try. 😅 Maybe I'm just thinking behind but I still see the GTX1080ti as a beast

I wonder what that is comparable to with modern GPU's, the GTX1080ti

[wheat karma]

Been looking at it a lot recently and really you need a 3060 ti minimum

[modern yoke]

I'd imagine a 5060 or something, but I heard nvidia was lacking lately.

[wheat karma]

Thing is it didn't have rtx, it was just pure pixel pushing horsepower

[modern yoke]

WOW!!! RTX5060TI is CRAZY

how technology has advanced...

[wheat karma]

And how much is it?

[modern yoke]

This is from F1 22, and I really don't think it has frame gen. I could be wrong though

[wheat karma]

Loke 600 dollars? Idk

1080ti is 150 used so yeah dunno and 8 year gap...

[modern yoke]

Around $570 from my local retailer

[umbral cove]

5060 TI in there is clearly hitting the cpu floor, it would push way more frames if the cpu could handle it

[wheat karma]

And I think 1080ti would still wipe the floor with 5060 for older dx9 games like tf2 and such

[modern yoke]

the RTX5060ti

[modern yoke]

I think the same.... I'm going to see if I can find a comparison

[wheat karma]

Doubt, nobody compares ancient games but I might be wrong

[modern yoke]

But hey, TF2 is easy to run though!

I can run it very smoothly on intergrated laptop graphics. 😄

[wheat karma]

Yeah its all about "eSports" tho, hence the 9060 xt 8gb

Gamers who want 500fps

[modern yoke]

That's fair. My cutoff point for fps seems to be around 120-150 for me.

But I used to say 60fps was all I ever needed. Maybe in the future I like looking at 1000fps

[wary holly]

Do whey write "64" as "640" in Swedish, or is that a typo?

[modern yoke]

That's a typo!

[livid plover]

Ahaha golden offer

[wheat karma]

Buy it and complain they didn't send you the other 500gb

[modern yoke]

The website had the option to filter by size, I chose the highest capacity expecting a $15,000 price tag... but it was jsut a typo

[wheat karma]

And demand it immediately

[livid plover]

I mean i know they run good deals there, but still 😂

[modern yoke]

They have a single 512gb option for around $32k

Some server equipment stuff I'm guessing. Lenovo Intel Optane is the name

[livid plover]

Yeah

[modern yoke]

The highest on a single stick I see is 64GG

[livid plover]

Maybe i should finally upgrade to 64, but also my only reason would be to delay the inevitable windows memory leak sooo.. nah

[modern yoke]

I'm thinking of using linux. Soon I'll get a PC free of charge but since I'm a broke student I'm not sure I have money for a windows license....

Just scared I can't figure out how to do what I want and that I'll waste too much time not being able to solve it

[wary holly]

@modern yoke Describe what you want to do with it, then.

[livid plover]

Isn't windows edu licenses free

Ah not quite what i was thinking

[modern yoke]

I'll occasionally want to play an anti cheat game or two with the boys but I've heard this is pretty much impossible. Apart from that I wanna play games and create content, write software.

On the content creation side I heard it's difficult to get proprietary codecs and drivers to work properly. Not sure if that is going to be a big problem.

the thing about not being able to play anti cheat games is not a big problem for me.

[wary holly]

A lot of this info is outdated at this point, Linux has come a long way. But, if you want something jailed with heavy anticheats, you're better off installing Windows and dealing with the watermark.. or not.

[modern yoke]

I tried using a variety of linux on an old and now dead laptop. The touchpad driver sucked on pretty much all distros apart from arch, but that won't be a problem on desktop, thankfully.

[wary holly]

I would install something sufficiendly mainstream like ubuntu (but I also wouldn't since I subjectively dislike gnome 3 and don't expect you to figure out how to install something other than gnome on your own without prior experience or external aid).

If you installed arch on your own, you probably know enough to decide on your own?

[modern yoke]

Picking a distro seems difficult. I don't want something that only likes software coming from a store and which is constantly holding my hand, but I also don't want something that can break the whole system if I type a prompt the wrong way

heh, I followed a video guide for installing arch.

[modern yoke]

Ah yes, the classic

What confused me a lot was the different packaging for software. I might get this entirely wrong but some only seemed to like debian, flatpack or other types of packages. But I thought that one piece of software works with all kinds of linux, as long as linux is supported? Or am I entirely wrong?

[wary holly]

I think it's dumb. When I started learning Linux, I found many distros use their own packaging formats - rpm, deb, source code (for gentoo), some other unique format for slackware. Now it's the same thing but worse: everything previously used is still in use, but some software is additionally distributed as flatpak, or the other thing, and some specific distributions have their own specific issues.

[modern yoke]

I realised that I will need a lot of tutorials on how to do simple tasks. Like even just deleting apps, or running the windows equivalent of an .exe file.

[wary holly]

After having used Windows, you now have to re-learn things you already know how to do on Windows, but this isn't the fault of Linux.

[modern yoke]

Not talking about windows apps specifically. But you know how on windows you can always just double click an exe file to run whatever program is contained. Is there a similar thing on windows?

Of course it's not. It's just a different system. 😛

[wary holly]

think different.

[modern yoke]

I hope that most buttons will perform the same actions, or that it can at least be changed. Like how windows+L locks the pc, or how middle button opens a link in a new tab. All that stuff.

[wary holly]

Oh, about buttons. On Windows, the order of buttons is OK, Cancel, Apply. On Linux, it's OK, Apply, Cancel. Who thought it was a good idea?

[modern yoke]

Exactly. I wondered if there was a universal "thing" (like .exe for windows, or .msi to install programs) that just works and lets any kind of program run on linux.

[wary holly]

aaaa

[modern yoke]

Oh no and it's even different!!!

I heard good stuff about linux mint. But when I tried it on my older laptop I got some awful screen tearing when using 125% scaling. That sadly scared me away from mint. I did not get this issue with the KDE desktop environment on arch. But arch was scary for many other reasons.

[wary holly]

Most specific issues can be addressed, but it takes effort. And knowing where to ask.

[modern yoke]

Chiyo what distro are you using, and can you recommend it?

[wary holly]

I installed arch with external aid, mainly as a troubleshooting experience, to see if I can get it into working condition and receive help with issues. It was .. mostly okay, I bricked my Windows boot loader, and I couldn't set up unattended remote control (it works but the initial sign-in must be done manually).

[modern yoke]

I wonder if there is something like a completely "clean" linux (no distro) but you just add any kind of software you need and only the absolute essentials are included. But I think arch is pretty much that already.

[wary holly]

It would take you several months to get there, and the end result would probably be worse than arch.

[modern yoke]

Oof. That boot loader brick also happened to me one time.

I realized that Windows doesn't like to play nice with Linux alongside it.

I hear people say that you can just dualboot, but nowadays Windows takes up nearly all of the boot partition and installing anything alongside it often gives me the error that there is not enough space on the boot partition. Also just switching secure boot on/off and doing another reboot is annoying

[wary holly]

Nah, many modern linux distros come with a graphical installer wizard that'll find your Windows install and configure grub2 to boot it correctly. But if you're installing arch, you're on your own if you mess up following the manual.

[modern yoke]

Since I won't have any Windows to begin with on my new (but old) pc I'll try maining some kind of Linux distro.

For at least a month or however long I can last without bricking it, or realizing that there are certain things that I simply can't do.

[wary holly]

I think ubuntu would still be the easiest to get help with, mainly due to how popular it is.

[modern yoke]

With the awful implementation of my touchpad driver being non-existent I'm much more inclined to try that.

[wheat karma]

ubuntu good imo

getting help for ubuntu is easiest and i liked using ubuntu server for that reason

[modern yoke]

Is it possible to install all software on github and such places directly from source, or do I have to use a package manager?

Well, software that is supported to run on distros such as ubuntu

I took a long quiz only to reach this place... Damn.... :(

"This website is a joke"

[wary holly]

Open source software can be compiled from source, most projects have compilation instructions. (I tried to compile ahoviewer and failed, however.)

[modern yoke]

I think I would feel comfortable with Ubuntu and other popular distros because of how popular they are

I don't wanna choose a distro that isn't so popular and maybe behind the scenes they are slowly getting ready to close down development and such

I completed another quiz. Of course I don't know if it is biased or not. I feel like there is a lot of strong opinions about what distros are good or bad, from an outside perspective. But "Debian" is what fit me the most according to this test

[carmine ibex]

it's an 8 year difference 😅
you know the funny part, they sold a 5060 ti 8gb variant, 1080 ti has 11gb

[modern yoke]

that is crazy!!!

Nah fuck it ill go with ubuntu. it's so mainstream and probably user friendly that I will not face any problems I won't be able to solve

[wheat karma]

back in the day 8 years meant like literally double performance for the same money

[carmine ibex]

I wouldn't say "way more"
it is slightly cpu bottlenecked

[wheat karma]

but things have slowed down a lot since then, naturally perhaps

[modern yoke]

I heard it is more difficult to fit more transistors together, and also more difficult to manage their power draw

[carmine ibex]

oh, I was looking at the FPS part, not average
it's not the exact same frame

[carmine ibex]

uh.. it was more than that

\

dang it, hit random keys on the keyboard

8600 GTS - 256mb vram, $200 2007
HD 5750 - 1gb vram, $140 2009
was almost 2.5x faster, IIRC

[karmic tiger]

@modern yoke can attest that EAC works well here on elden ring through proton

[modern yoke]

elden ring has anti cheat?

I thought it was single player

What linux are you using?

[karmic tiger]

it isn't

every souls-like has been multiplayer at least since demon's souls

[modern yoke]

Anyone else having statcounter issues? it's been like this for me for like at least 2 weeks at this point

[karmic tiger]

buntu 24.04

[modern yoke]

Damn, I really didn't know it was multiplayer. I never played it, but just assumed it was single player. 😅

[karmic tiger]

it's kind of a special way of multiplayer, basically you can invite other players into your instance to either help you or fuck you up

and the multi isn't required for anything

[modern yoke]

Damn Linux desktop is only at 4%... Huge L :(

[karmic tiger]

huh?

[modern yoke]

I remember seeing it being higher before. Global stat counter

Meanwhile windows is on a slow and steady decline

I wonder where any of this data even comes from. Is it legit? I constantly see people use it a reference to check how the market share between operating systems and browsers is.

Oh, Linux market share is actually on an upwards trend. Just very very slow.

Even though I like using Windows for the most part I wished we lived in a world where a free operating system was king.

[wheat karma]

for servers linux is top

windows too unreliable for anything that needs rock solid stability imo

i bet even the server vesions suck hard and not to mention the microsoft tax

[modern yoke]

Of for sure

If I was building a server I would not even consider using windows

[novel pumice]

does anyone know who this is?

they sent me a friend request

[prisma dove]

If you don't know who it is, don't accept it.

[terse helm]

scammer, ignore

[novel pumice]

alr

[vapid tinsel]

Go to your Discord settings > Content & Social > choose OBS Community
Turn off all the options I have circled. That way no one can contact you and thus your Discord experience is way better.

[novel pumice]

ty

[vapid tinsel]

You’re welcome.

[karmic tiger]

<@&715347355565817879>

[still turret]

This new form of spam is quite irritating.

[vapid tinsel]

The image attachment spam?

[still turret]

ayups.

[vapid tinsel]

Yeah, very annoying. It’s all the place.

[stray ember]

chat searched up freaky stuff so I sentenced them to the screams of the damned livestream, where I pull up like 10 tabs of my own livestream, turn on desktop audio, and wait.

I am killing ram and my GPU

im hearing stuff I said 15 minutes ago

I am afraid.

[prisma dove]

Have you tried turning the PC off and on again?

[stray ember]

thats not the point, the point is im hearing voices now

[prisma dove]

Even after a restart? How strange!
Have you disconnected the Internet?

[carmine ibex]

I think this is on purpose

(not the 160p setting, that was me)

[carmine ibex]

the program I'm using to upscale is causing massive color and brightness shift 💀
the brightness shift could be the model, but the color shift is def the program...
the model also causes a grid pattern, which I have to run waifu2x denoising on it afterwards to remove (which I have done, here)

I need to find a different program...

I wish the eye was better

[livid plover]

it's called photoshop and retouching manually to clean it up 😇

[carmine ibex]

I'm a lazy pegasus

[wide pine]

anyone here?

[karmic tiger]

nope

[civic quarry]

Casually

[livid plover]

every now and then

[stark dune]

sometimes

[wide pine]

lets chat

[stark dune]

'bout what

[wide pine]

i m boring

[karmic tiger]

hi boring I'm pen

[wide pine]

hahha

where u from

[karmic tiger]

your walls

uwu

[wide pine]

talk openly

[karmic tiger]

nah

[amber sparrow]

han

[wide pine]

dm me lets be frnds

[karmic tiger]

nah

[wide pine]

y

[stark dune]

because getting dm'd or forcing dm's from someone you never interacted with always reeks of sketch. you want to know people? interact in the "public-ish" space

[wide pine]

yes but here no one is chatting with me

[amber sparrow]

Well have something worth chatting about?

Why would DMs change that?

[wide pine]

no

[amber sparrow]

Then expect the same outcome you are currently getting

[wide pine]

humans if agreed about then could b worth

[marsh helm]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-launches-instinct-mi350-series-confirms-mi400-in-2026-with-432gb-hbm4-memory

AMD launches Instinct MI350 series, confirms MI400 in 2026 with 432GB HBM4 memory

https://wccftech.com/amd-sp7-sp8-platforms-epyc-venice-verano-cpus-12800-mtps-16-channel-memory-128-pcie-6-0-lanes/

[stark dune]

well you want to chat and then you want us to also figure out what to chat about. Ask about something you're interested in and if anybody is interested as well, they will reciprocate

[marsh helm]

2nm

[wide pine]

i want to earn

[stark dune]

wait, is that zen 5 or zen 6?

oh, zen6c

[marsh helm]

6

woo

[wide pine]

what is zen

[marsh helm]

amd architecture

for cpu

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-introduces-rocm-7-with-higher-performance-and-support-for-new-hardware

woo

q3

wont be too much longer for rocm update

[stark dune]

so yeah, seems to be in line with consumer launches too. early '26 for zen6 desktop and probably late '27 for AM6/Zen7

[marsh helm]

yeah

still not confirmed that zen 6 will be this socket tho

[stark dune]

not confirmed, but rumored

[marsh helm]

its going to be a big design change tho

its what im aiming for

[stark dune]

I know, apparently 12 core CCD's and a brand new IO die

[marsh helm]

24 cores would be nice

i needs it for stuffs

[stark dune]

all my stuffs are hobbyist. currently rocking a 5900X

but it's not really stable at stock so I'm kinda debating a jump to a 5700X3D and rocking that until AM6

[wide pine]

@stark dune what about this

[stark dune]

what about what?

[marsh helm]

the 7950x3d sometimes shows up for $388

thats good value

[stark dune]

yeah, but I'd need a motherboard and new RAM

can't afford all that atm

[marsh helm]

but but water sim

fog sim

[stark dune]

I don't do simulations

[wide pine]

what spec..

[marsh helm]

thats what im waiting for

[stark dune]

what are you asking here exactly? what I have now or what I wanna get?

[marsh helm]

so i can run deepseek

and other stuff on my 9070xt

[stark dune]

I played around with LLM's using LM Studio

[marsh helm]

i use ollama

[stark dune]

ofc I only ran models that fit into my VRAM buffer because getting 3 tok/s drives me mad

I have a 7800XT btw

[marsh helm]

the 9700xt without this update gets some good numbers

[stark dune]

I'd expect it to

[marsh helm]

with the update i can see it matching a 5080

[stark dune]

sounds about right

[marsh helm]

in some stuff

[wide pine]

i said what specification of ram rom u need?

[marsh helm]

once you optimize amd gpus its not really that far off of nvidia

i think you also get this update too

[stark dune]

for AM5, DDR5 RAM is required

me being on AM4, I have DDR4

[marsh helm]

oh

[wide pine]

cost ofit?

[marsh helm]

we getting 64 gig chips

later this year

Intels not looking too hot

[stark dune]

decent mobo is like $150. I'd probably go for 64 GB of RAM so that's another $200 and ofc you pay for the CPU

[marsh helm]

they just delayed all of their cpus again

[stark dune]

now the cpu can be anything from $150 to $800 depending on what you buy

[wide pine]

u have money or not?

[stark dune]

nope

otherwise I would've already upgraded

[karmic tiger]

we're all broke

[marsh helm]

who has money unless they have nvidia stonk?

[amber sparrow]

Mmmmm new golf kicks

[marsh helm]

also regarding nvidia stonk

[wide pine]

how i can hlp

[marsh helm]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-becomes-gloomy-about-its-ai-business-prospects-in-china/

[stark dune]

intel always looks hot, if you catch my meaning

[livid plover]

looks like you stepped in a watermelon lol. but nice

[marsh helm]

also china is just 2 years away from making ai chips that are good enough for most token related tasks

[karmic tiger]

don't think I ever saw golf soles before.
Are those small teeth, to grip on the lawn but not damage it

[stark dune]

uhh, you can't

[amber sparrow]

Yup yup. Back in the day they used to be metal

[marsh helm]

Penwywern do you play rimworld?

[wide pine]

i can uhhhh

[stark dune]

last 12 months required some unplanned expenses so I'm currently in the money saving timeline

no PC upgrades for now

my current system is good enough

[wide pine]

its very good to save but spend on necessary

[karmic tiger]

noice

[wide pine]

for what purposes u use pc?

[marsh helm]

https://wccftech.com/intel-new-products-will-all-launch-with-at-least-50-margins/

this tells me that intel is doomed

[stark dune]

mostly gaming. sometimes 3D modelling for 3D printing, sometimes for video encoding

[marsh helm]

thats a huge increase in cost

for consumers

[wide pine]

r u video editor

which game ?pubg ?

[stark dune]

nope. I just record when I play and if something interesting happens, I might cut clips for discord so I reencode to HEVC for embeds

[marsh helm]

i havnt tried av1 on my gpu

[wide pine]

oooo understand

[marsh helm]

or anything obs

im still in the process of rebranding