off-topic

[dire sluice]

80's were Good

Walkman

[terse helm]

I'm like 90% sure I had this one at some point

[opaque halo]

it's possible.... unfortunately, once that tape gets "folded" it's nearly impossible to fix it

[terse helm]

note the important feature

[civic quarry]

yeah i'm gonna toss the ones that did, one i was able to save but that's about it

these tapes aren't really worth anything so no huge loss, the only tape i worry about is my miku tape which is worth like 50 dollars but i've only played that 3 times since i have a digital copy too

[opaque halo]

Pre - BEATS 😛

[civic quarry]

i suppose worst case i could just run a sacrificial one through before something i care about, though i doubt anything's wrong with my tape player considering other tapes go through it butter smooth

[opaque halo]

just don't over tension 'em or your gonna snap it

[civic quarry]

i don't see how i could anyways lel

hmm, maybe these tapes really are doing this because of cigarette smoke, just tried wiping the roller off and got some yellow gunk off of it

i just cleaned it the day before too

the cases of these tapes are horribly coated with the stuff, and that's what led to her downfall too

[opaque halo]

yeah... clean the heads on the player with IPA and be sure to let it dry

[civic quarry]

if only i had isopropyl

would windex do the job?

[terse helm]

just get some isopropyl?

[civic quarry]

no money

[terse helm]

I use that all the time for cleaning shit

a bottle is like two bucks

[civic quarry]

i can't get to town anyways

[opaque halo]

not windex... that's ammonia based

[civic quarry]

demineralized dihydrogen monoxide

unironically have washed certain electronics off in the sink before, my keyboard was one of 2 suspects

accidentally spilled a bunch of soda on it and it got in the keyswitches, just soaked it in the sink, dried it out and it was fine

but nah, wouldn't subject the tape player to that lmao

[opaque halo]

I've tossed more than one keyboard in the dishwasher (no soap) 🙂

[civic quarry]

most people think the second electronics come into contact with water that its junk, simply not the case

as long as it isn't powered you're fine

just dry it out before hand

[opaque halo]

Yup

[civic quarry]

i wasn't gonna wait weeks so i put it in front of the heater for about 45 mins after banging out most of the water

[opaque halo]

just takes a fan overnight

[terse helm]

there is the issue of mineral deposits after water evaporates

and of water remaining under certain parts like BGA chips

[civic quarry]

very much well known in my house, we have bad hard water

we have a water softener but same story, we don't have the money to keep that thing full

[terse helm]

isn't the thing you put in that just salt?

[civic quarry]

yeah and its kinda expensive

its some special salt, not sure what exactly it is

[terse helm]

I wonder if it's the same as what goes into dishwashers for them to soften water

[civic quarry]

idk, never had a dishwasher

[terse helm]

unfortunately the box of that that I have here doesn't state exactly what it is

[civic quarry]

did see this though https://youtu.be/_rBO8neWw04

and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHP942Livy0

[terse helm]

hm

apparently it's just 99.9% NaCl and the remaining 0.01% is water to keep it together

ah and the reason you need to get special salt for water softeners isn't the chemical properties (being that it's the same as regular uniodized table salt) but that it comes in larger granules (rather than crystals) that don't clog the machine

[civic quarry]

yeah they're pretty large, each grain is about the size of my thumb roughly

https://youtu.be/TVmkBnhL_rM ooo, this could be useful

microwatts per square centimeter, can't say i've seen that unit of measurement before

[gray ermine]

Is there a way to stream to youtube and not play the music since they don't like it? They keep stopping my stream due to copyright -,-

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[civic quarry]

YT does not have a separate VOD audio like Twitch, so no afaik.

[gray ermine]

fuck youtube then i guess haha cause not having music in a stream sounds horrid

[marsh helm]

capcut down

[brisk slate]

Yep

Was about to come and ask what a good alternative is.

[marsh helm]

wait till tomorrow

😄

[brisk slate]

I hope lmao

[marsh helm]

then you will get 90 days to use capcut

[brisk slate]

The whole thing is stupidity honestly

[marsh helm]

that rednote thing

i heard it downloads your clipped photos

[livid plover]

Davinci resolve 🙂 much more capable too

[civic quarry]

what's capcut?

sounds like a video editor? and why should video editing software require a subscription or need an internet connection? wtf

[livid plover]

Because cloud

[civic quarry]

i don't see why someone would want to edit video on the cloud, what advantages does this have?

i certainly can't think of any

myes, 17GHz

is running on this with qemu-tcg, amlogic S905X

[brisk slate]

for me its a very easy program to use as im stupid when it comes to stuff like this... AND you have windows XP?

[civic quarry]

i compiled this build of xp from leaked source code

build guide

certificate patch guide, i couldn't figure this bit out but got them from someone else

its not mentioned in here but you might need perl, i had to install strawberry perl into my build environment which was win7 32 bit

[civic quarry]

i have a way more useable system on another VM, its honestly still very usable

[brisk slate]

for sure.

[civic quarry]

realtime video of this opening cpu-z and firefox 12

emulating x86 on a low power arm SoC isn't a great idea

[marsh helm]

what if you use nvidia ai assistant to add a miku?

[civic quarry]

cannot do 52 esr because this is technically "rtm" even though its running on the server 2003 / xp x64 kernel

at that point just run stable diffusion

i might leave it running tonight to keep my room warm

gn

[marsh helm]

night

[civic quarry]

I didn't read the patch note for 31.0.1 - does it work with Riot's AC now?
No.

[hearty stirrup]

riot's anticheat isn't EAC

it's vanguard

[civic quarry]

I know, but everyone knows the short form

[copper pasture]

if you have the source code, gotta rewrite it to be ARM instead

good luck, see you in 10 years

[marsh helm]

we just need x64 emulators

and amd arm cpus

all will be good

[copper notch]

Simnow

https://wiki.osdev.org/SimNow

[marsh helm]

[copper notch]

Looks like AMD nerfed it, but... https://archive.org/download/simnow-win64-4.6.2pub/simnow-win64-4.6.2pub.exe

The Internet never forgets!

[marsh helm]

i expect them to release something in the next 2 years

now that nvidia has a $3000 super computer

[copper notch]

I think the last time I ran SimNow was in 2003

Used it in Linux to do AMD64 work before AMD64 silicon was available and I got a prototype. Fun times.

slllllllllllloooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[marsh helm]

also skelly did you see that all the sharks at in florida

and theres lots of buzz to buy intel

[copper notch]

I wonder if it will actually happen, and if so whom. I never expected Intel to massively shit the bed so hard.

It's like they put 2 tablespoons of sorbitol in each meal they eat or something.

[marsh helm]

intel has just a single product release

for this half of the year

and nvidia just started to eat away with that hard with that super computer

emerald rapids is intels only product till panther lake late this year

and giving that the intel "fix" for arrow lake

made it slower

i have little hope that intel can do anything with this desktop socket

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intels-arrow-lake-fix-doesnt-fix-overall-gaming-performance-or-correct-the-companys-bad-marketing-claims-core-ultra-200s-still-trails-amd-and-previous-gen-chips

if this is 2025 intel i dont got much hope

[copper notch]

Yeah, I don't see Intel getting anywhere with Panther Lake

And with Rumours AMD's Zen 6 will use 12 core chiplets, suggesting a core bump up to 24 cores on consumer, I fail to see how Intel can catch up at this point when they can't even get more than 8 proper cores in a CPU now.

Maybe they'll get lucky and a bunch of people wont read any reviews or watch any tech videos or have friends or family that know anything about CPUs and there will be a big storm of uninformed buyers flock to Intel in the next few gens! 🙂

[livid plover]

i wonder what AMD got coming

[umbral cove]

on the gpu front, it aint lookin too good

they taking so long to announce their stuff

[sudden adder]

From some of the word i heard coming out of CES, they are waiting until closer to the 5070 launch. This came from Arthur Gies of Wirecutter, and is on record as saying this was directly from AMD

[copper notch]

Hard to say. There is a lot of speculation out there of the "This is what we think AMD did" that makes the rounds and turns into "this is why AMD did X, Y, Z" with zero evidence too.

I do think it was lame of AMD to not announce RDNA4 at CES, but nobody truly knows why they didn't, other than their official story. More might come out in the future though. But based on the latest leaks, RDNA4 looks strong if they're true, so it doesn't appear that AMD missed the mark... but time will tell.

[wheat karma]

Back in the days when intel dominated, amd competed using price, still had buyers, if intel give me some cheap af options, wouldn't say no tbh, anything has got to be better than my toaster...

[copper notch]

Problem is, Intel's manufacturing costs are higher so they have lower margins, plus Gelsinger pissed off TSMC and they cancelled their special 40% discount for Intel so now Intel's margins are even lower. They're barely selling any chips and probably with razor thin margins, so unlikely they'll lower prices much.

Someone just posted the most epic comment on a YouTube video that was discussing NVIDIA's bogus claims that the 5090 is 4x faster than the 4090...

Brilliant! LOL

sooo good LOL

[wheat karma]

Based CEO ruining everything then leaving or getting fired with a fat exit bonus

[terse helm]

lol

[copper notch]

He probably already bought a pimp-ass AMD Ryzen system with the cash.

[tall vapor]

I mean the staff at microsoft are using macs&linux machines too unless they gotta work on somethin for windows specifically, soo

[copper notch]

Perhaps, but they'll be dogfooding too.

[autumn sluice]

i feel like this member count of 46827 members being online is making it so laggy here even though it isn't,

[sudden adder]

Never noticed any lag here. On mobile, linux or windows clients

As far as i am aware, the number of people online shouldnt effect anything if they are not actually actively doing things. And since Discord is a silo, rather than actual individual servers that people run, there are technically FAR more people online on Discord overall than just here

[terse helm]

makes the "Online" section of the userlist kinda pointless though

they could just as well hide it like the offline section in servers with over 1000 users

[sudden adder]

True, hard to scroll thru as well.

Im guessing that the list is optimized pretty decently since it only shows a few users anyway, and has to load more on demand as you scroll

[terse helm]

it's impossible to scroll through because by the time you get more than a few pages down there's so much activity you keep losing your scroll position

(activity being people coming online, going offline, making it jump)

[vernal current]

it should just open a window or something and filter by online/offline

btw vampire survivors is addicting

"just 1 more run"

[teal bough]

i have a new laptop

called your stupid

[terse helm]

you're*

[vernal current]

lol

[silver fable]

@full fern

[opaque halo]

PC receiving CAT scan

[sudden adder]

no no no, being able to actually SEE Schrödinger's cat changes the thought experiment

[silver fable]

I dunno, sometimes it's hard to tell if a cat is alive, even looking at it.

[marsh helm]

😱

we getting spoilers on gpus now

[sudden adder]

Now we need the car gpu combined with the waifu cards to match the car from 2Fast2Furious

[marsh helm]

ooh true

merge these 2 cards

MANLI unveils GeForce RTX 50 Gallardo RACING series with “Drag Reduction System”

i didnt read the title

these cards are made by the same company

[marsh helm]

also doggy was running around on the slippery frozen grass and slipped

so he got embarrassed and is now sulking under my desk

[ionic talon]

trump sucks

[opaque halo]

Probably not the place for political commentary

[ionic talon]

i don't like him and never will

[hearty stirrup]

like maxsun's icraft series?

[sudden adder]

The ones with the side-boob, yes, lol

[hearty stirrup]

given my system, I'd honestly get one if it were the best price option (and I had money)

[scarlet kernel]

I went to a super cool thing last night

[still mica]

That's ... a lot of candles.

Music ain't bad, either.

<-- adds mandatory viola joke. "How do you keep your violin from getting stolen? Put it in a viola case."

[scarlet kernel]

it was amazing, and I got to talk with the players after

[still mica]

They sound really good! And getting to hang out after is always a bonus.

[scarlet kernel]

yeah, they also played Summer by Hisaishi and it was gorgeous

[still mica]

Nice!

[ripe solstice]

(ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

[granite veldt]

how do i set up my OBS for Streaming for all

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[granite veldt]

on new at OBS Dont really know how to Use OBS Went from twitch to OBS But its hard

[opaque halo]

!new For any additional questions, please head to the appropriate support channel

[wise bay]

✨ If you're new to OBS Studio:

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• learn more about the interface in the Overview Guide
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[left mulch]

did not realize I had today off work till this morning

pleasant surprise

[terse helm]

hopefully before you started working

[left mulch]

heh, I am always working anyways...whenever the motivation strikes. but yeah, hadn't done anything this morning yet.

[plucky ivy]

Chat do NOT go on Twitter rn 😭

I can smell the unemployed arguing over politicts for no reason from here

[left mulch]

this is most social media most of the time

[amber sparrow]

📠

[terse helm]

I don't have a twitter account and musk made it so I can't go on there

and tbh nothing of value was lost

[livid plover]

now if only everybody else would stop going on there too

[open rune]

Not that Twitter isn't a cesspool but since when is being employed a requirement for participating in political discussion

[plucky ivy]

I was joking about how they have nothing better to do except babyrage over someone saying they like one presidential candidate more than another

[open rune]

Have you thought about the reasons people might have to "babyrage" over the incoming administration

[plucky ivy]

bro who stole your ability to have fun XD

[amber sparrow]

It was me

I stole it

"It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me"

[plucky ivy]

:O

[terse helm]

it's true matty antagonises sapiens at least five times daily

[prisma dove]

twice that on holidays

[terse helm]

before breakfast, after dinner and between every meal

[prisma dove]

Hobbit meals

[open rune]

But I don't want second breakfast

[terse helm]

what about second lunch

[livid plover]

Hi problem

[carmine ibex]

https://youtu.be/0tyFlejPs6U?si=xoYSeCBr-CQStP0x

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[drowsy mason]

It's a GPU unboxing, probably not meant as an "ad" for anything

People post random tech news updates in here pretty often, I'd file this under that category FWIW

[wise bay]

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Please report any suspicious private messages to Discord, either by using the Report Spam button in a DM, or by reporting it directly to Discord Trust and Safety

[drowsy mason]

Man stop spammin' the bot plz and thanks. Last I intend to engage on this to not feed what appears to be a troll or else someone who's too trigger happy on bot commands.

[terse helm]

it's just people having some fun

[drowsy mason]

NO FUN ALLOWED >:{[

[sudden adder]

since there are no link previews or embeds on the server, you would have to click the link to even know what it was in the first place. This is why it is usually good to not just drop a link with zero context, and actually just say what the link is of

[terse helm]

true though

[open rune]

Yeah because Rainboom is an unknown quantity and you never know what they might be posting

[terse helm]

listen there's hundreds of copies of rick astley's masterpiece out there I can't remember all the urls for them

[civic quarry]

why isn't there a official social media platforms integration in obs studio why can't you have it

[amber sparrow]

Wut

[prisma dove]

wot

[civic quarry]

i wanted to multistream without plugins and it's kinda hard to do this because without a paid plan

[prisma dove]

You have been answered that, many times. If you'd like, I can link you those conversations.

[civic quarry]

rtmp have been so expensive

and i cannot afford this

i am using prism now but i keep getting issues and obs works with my pc without question

[prisma dove]

OBS cannot help with your financial situation. Please consult an appropriate expert to help with that.

[livid plover]

if you have the bandwidth you can restream for free

[civic quarry]

yes it's only 2

[prisma dove]

You are welcome to ask Prism for support.

[civic quarry]

i asked prism support several times already

[sudden adder]

even if OBS had built in multi-stream support, your 2 (im assuming 2Mbps upload) would be just as limited as using the Aitum plugin.

[civic quarry]

i am currently trying out stream elements one but there is an issue that i can't fix

i installed it again

so far i have downloaded 3

streamlabs obs prism

[prisma dove]

wait, is it really your upload can't handle multiple streams? no wonder you have issues. Improve your internet service first.

[civic quarry]

no i have 300MBPS

its not the network

its the rendering frames

[prisma dove]

Upload?

[prisma dove]

then you need a better pc.

seems academic

[sudden adder]

okay, you confused me with your "yes its only 2" comment

since it was right after the question about your bandwidth

[civic quarry]

the internet speed is 300/300

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[civic quarry]

my problem with obs now is the streamelements

[prisma dove]

yeah, SE is a problem child.

[civic quarry]

but i am still currently waiting on streamelements for response

[wise bay]

If you need help with StreamElements products or services, please join their Discord server or submit a support ticket. The StreamElement's support team is better positioned to help with your issue.

[civic quarry]

lol Problem child

[livid plover]

it really is

has been for years

[prisma dove]

True story, look at all the support issues here caused by their plugin

[opaque halo]

fr fr bruh

[civic quarry]

i wanted to also use game caster but that went discontinued before i got a computer capable of streaming

[sudden adder]

and SE, when it is installed, still guts/removes parts of OBS, at least last I knew. Which is why the removal instructions include uninstalling and reinstalling OBS itself, to get back the missing parts

a lot of OBS alternatives didnt stick around. I remember when Bebo was a thing for a bit

hell, went to their karaoke party at Pax East 2018, was a fun time

[civic quarry]

lol

[carmine ibex]

Yeah, a brief description of the video might of been nice, sorry

[civic quarry]

well i am uninstalling obs again

this is why i need the official

integration

[livid plover]

Why? What would it being official change?

[opaque halo]

Could always build it or commission someone to build it 🙂

[civic quarry]

bringing multistreaming an official support for it

that would bring a lot of for this software

i have a Hp notebook 15 with 7520U with radeon graphics

[sudden adder]

there are plenty of people that already multistream with the many available plugins, who also dont need to use a paid RTMP server, and are doing fine.

there wouldnt really be much difference between the plugins and an official implementation. It would more than likely have the same methods and such under the hood

[civic quarry]

with a 16GB of ram computer i do not need a better pc

which one

does it actually doesn't have issues anytime i install this on my pc is i am having issues

[sudden adder]

the U in 7520U stands for "ultra low power", so you are already asking a bit from that hardware

[civic quarry]

i already tried some of those things

[livid plover]

The 7300U system you talked about before? Yeah nah, it's not suited for more than basic streaming

[civic quarry]

its a AMD ryzen 5

cpu

[sudden adder]

an ultra low power ryzen 5

that is different from a desktop class ryzen 5

[civic quarry]

yes it still does handle my games pretty good

[livid plover]

They're not bad chips for sure

[civic quarry]

AMD radeon graphics

works with obs

[sudden adder]

when it is just the game, but not when it is trying to do more than just the game. And OBS is doing more than that. it needs GPU to composite your scenes/sources, and it needs GPU or CPU to encode the video. The more encodes, the more GPU is needed

[prisma dove]

Does play the game and do one stream pretty well? How about 2 streams? At what point do you have issues?

[civic quarry]

i tried that and it works i streamed with obs for about 1-3 years

no

i don't have any issues at all

[livid plover]

Good, since we're not in a support channel 😄

[civic quarry]

i had to adjust my game settings to have vsync on

[prisma dove]

this is the complaint channel.

[sudden adder]

Complementary Complaints channel

[livid plover]

Obs needs an energy plugin that gives me the energy to bother streaming tbh

[sudden adder]

my energy today was "i havent played Alex Kidd and the Lost Stars since I was 8 years old (in 1998)... This is a great idea..."

somehow beat it in under an hour...

[civic quarry]

for mobile games i don't have problems

[livid plover]

My screw-in-tyre had other plans for my afternoon

[sudden adder]

I was bad at video games when I was 8 i guess, lol

[opaque halo]

It's winter.. just add more screws for better traction 🙂

[civic quarry]

i open every pc games and turn on v sync mode i did turn on pc games on pc

[prisma dove]

My energy was, take the camera plus 200mm lens, take photos of my dogs at the park... wind chill 26F.

wind chill saps the energy

[civic quarry]

without that on it seems to freeze

my pc games

[livid plover]

I know my limits these days. I watched a longplay instead of replaying the PS1 bugs bunny game myself knowing my controller skills are far gone

[opaque halo]

It was WAY too cold here today. They've already brined the roads for the cold and rain here tonight

[civic quarry]

yes

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[civic quarry]

which state are you even in

to be cold like that

[opaque halo]

Confusion.. constant state

[civic quarry]

usa or what

i am in the usa

well i guess i would not be able to ask this here

[prisma dove]

I'm looking at the photos now, not sure if I like it better with this lens or my big telephoto. I don't like taking that one out with a ton of rambunctious dogs.

[opaque halo]

How long did it take to "temper" you lens so it wouldn't fog up?

[civic quarry]

its pretty cold here too

[prisma dove]

not long, I let them sit for a couple minutes.

[opaque halo]

I know when I was in high school it took at least 20 minutes for every 10 degrees of change... but of course.. that was back in the 80s

[prisma dove]

It's been very low humidity here, except overnight. No rain for almost three weeks.

[opaque halo]

winters here are DRY.... summers are very humid

[sudden adder]

Northern Michigan here (not the Upper Peninsula), and its about 6F currently

[opaque halo]

UP - the land time forgot...

[sudden adder]

Its a little bit Michigan, little bit Canada, little bit Wisconsin…. I like to call it Narnia

[opaque halo]

3 yrs living there. For sure a "unique" place

[sudden adder]

did you have your fill of Pasties while you were there?

[opaque halo]

Yup.. and fishing..... LOTS of fishing

[carmine ibex]

it's a 5090 unboxing comparing size and weight to some other GPUs by 2kliksphilip

sorry for the very, very late delay on that basic description

[drowsy mason]

The embargoes, they are slowly lifting. Remind me to come out of hibernation a month after actual full benchmarks come out so we get the "um actually" second round of corrections done.

[carmine ibex]

the guesses seem to be that DLSS and RT will be decent boost for 5090... but no DLSS or RT will be... eh

and 5090 seems to be the biggest boost from previous gen based on some extrapolating of data

[drowsy mason]

They leaked a few piecemeal benchmarks without upscaling, the temptation to guesstimate based on that is strong, but I am steeling my resolve, I'm determined to wait.

[carmine ibex]

but didn't the ones without upscaling have rt enabled?
still, maybe that's the closest thing we will get

[drowsy mason]

Would continue a trend from 40 series, so I wouldn't be surprised there personally

[carmine ibex]

pretty sure one of those games were very light on rt, anyway

[drowsy mason]

Every new piece of hardware gets a tiny slice of early benchmarking stuff leaked and the relevance to a proper full picture of perf seems like a crapshoot.

[compact lark]

first shipment goes out, chinese new year happens and it'll still take a month to move a new shipment by boat after they come back to work

by that time steve will have gone through '50 game' benchmarks 🤔 IF no other releases are happening

[full fern]

My husband went to the grocery store, asked if I wanted anything. I said a pork tenderloin would be nice.

The only thing they had at our small town grocery was an entire pork loin. 2.5 feet long, 7 inches across and just under 4 lbs. Never prepared one so big. LOL

[brazen thunder]

I was staring at 10 lb pork shoulders at costco and decided prepping 3 meals in a day was enough without adding a 4th

[full fern]

Hah, I don't blame you. That's a lot of meat!

I'd have to pull out the chainsaw for that LOL

[brazen thunder]

right?

chain saw and vacuum sealer. I can eat a lot, but that's a LOT of meat

[full fern]

We have a separate standing freezer and I would still have a hard time storing it.

[brazen thunder]

soon I'll get a smoker, and then bets are off

[full fern]

Oooh, yeah. Dew it!!

[compact lark]

bbq pulled pork sandwiches from pork shoulder butt roast has been pretty nice

[full fern]

Nom!

[brazen thunder]

yeah that's what I often do, but crock pot doesn't quite hit the same as I feel like smoker would

[amber sparrow]

Crock pot pulled pork, honestly, can be just as good. But there is indeed something about doing on smoker that just adds a touch of special

[brazen thunder]

well, and my crock pot can only take about 6 pounds there's that part too

[compact lark]

my last two times it was smoked, but the first time the bbq sauce used upset my stomach.

[brazen thunder]

Do you have one you like? I've used bone suckin' for years, but I haven't really ventured out beyond that

[compact lark]

think it was these two this last round that didn't upset me, going through new sauces every batch but haven't tried a lot to say it's great or mid

[left heart]

O_o at that rate I'd just portion it and freeze some

[smoky rapids]

Grabbed a new keyboard since the 1/! key had gotten sticky and the some slight desk crumbage getting eternally stuck in it.

For once in my life I'm needing to use the wrist pad that came with it so I can type like I normally would've with the previous one.

trying to type without it was fun because I kept on bumping the spacebar and having to fix that >.<

[civic quarry]

now i see my issue with the rendering frame drops with prism

its because my pc is only using one memory and it isn't using the shared gpu memory at all

its only using the dedicated memory

i just complained to amd using a bug report through my radeon software

[livid plover]

Yeah. The price of integrated graphics

[civic quarry]

the shared gpu memory is like 7Gb

[prisma dove]

Needs more. A lot more.

[carmine ibex]

why don't more people do colored subtitles
it's really cool
I just watched a YT vid and there were two people singing and they put different colors for each of them

[sudden adder]

Potential accessibility issues maybe

[livid plover]

Not enough colors

Also the lack of support. Unless you burn the subtitles which is uuuuh please don't

[carmine ibex]

but these are just lyrics for a song, you could look them up elsewhere

[drowsy mason]

I think it's mainly the effort / having to do the "creative work" of making it aesthetic, vs default that works.

But it is super nice especially for song lyrics IMO

[carmine ibex]

yeah, probably
most people don't even do subtitles

https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/xb7x21/since_when_is_the_coloured_subtitles_on_youtube/ yeah, it changing color for every different person talking is cool
apparently this was a feature a little over two years ago

[compact lark]

I thought yt took away peoples ability to submit multilanguage subtitles awhile ago, relying on machine speech to text.
perhaps their ability to accept other peoples translations? I forget which
https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/31/21349401/youtube-community-captions-deaf-creators-accessibility-google
community captions, july 2020

[amber sparrow]

Hell hath froze over. That's snow accumulation on a Florida beach

[opaque halo]

I had a friend in Pensacola send pics... enjoy the fun 😛

[amber sparrow]

Oh I'm not there

Used to live there though

[compact lark]

ah maybe that's why the owner at the rental property installed internet for my snowbird grandparents (in FL atm)
can't make outdoor excuses when it's snowing

[amber sparrow]

My weather

[opaque halo]

We have 2-5" coming our way. This area doesn't get snow normally. Everything is going to be "shut down" tomorrow.

[full fern]

That looks delightful. Shorts weather

[amber sparrow]

Ur drunk

[full fern]

Make a snowman and post pictures for us!

[full fern]

Not till later today LOL

[amber sparrow]

That's "I don't own the right clothing for this" weather round these parts

[full fern]

We've been in a cold snap, upper 20s every night. Had to use the propane heater in the bedroom before sleepytime, and fireplace for morning coffee

[amber sparrow]

My buddy's house in NW Pensacola

[compact lark]

only slightly worse than MN now

besides the -16F last night w/o windchill
my favorite, when it's too cold to snow

[amber sparrow]

You can keep that nonsense

[full fern]

Hubby's daughter in Louisiana had two inches of snow. She took lovely photos

[drowsy mason]

Their UI for subtitles got less capable.

As I understand it, the most advanced subtitle capabilities YouTube supports need to be made in a third-party app. (They support some standard formats that media players would support, like VLC and so on.)

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2734698

Supported subtitle and closed caption files (YouTube Help)

[terse helm]

29°? toasty.

[umbral cove]

58C, dayum

[left mulch]

heh I should clarify mine is F

[amber sparrow]

you silly non freedom unit users

[terse helm]

a range of -5° to +29°C within the span of 4 days would be pretty wild

[amber sparrow]

[brazen thunder]

Just Florida things

[terse helm]

ok lemme just rule out all the letters

actually in retrospect I could've gone way further with that lol

[full fern]

Flirty squash women? Yes, please!

[still mica]

<-- is pretty wide, does that count?

[full fern]

Yes. 🧡

[still mica]

I got you covered, then!

...wait. I don't know how to flirt.

[karmic tiger]

issok, just eb flirted to

[livid plover]

Large and in charge

[still mica]

I'm not sure that's a thing that happens to me!

[terse helm]

for the record squash, the sport

[full fern]

That'll do!

[livid plover]

Squish, the cat?

[sudden adder]

<@&715347355565817879> masked sus URL

[pulsar barn]

GO SUPPORT THE HOMIES STREAM YALL

SHOW SOME LOVE !! MUCH APPRECIATED

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[left mulch]

@pulsar barn don't advertise here, thanks.

[pulsar barn]

im sorry mitchell🥺

please forgive.🙏

[dusk dew]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Go to sleep

[civic quarry]

new technology

[carmine ibex]

this was specifically the video I was talking about

ono

NOOOO

H.264 artifacts because too many ref frames for resolution

I'm so dumb

sigh, ignore the weird things in the bottom corners.. it's just hardware decoding artifacts if you have that enabled... I don't feel like reposting

I knew that beyond 5 ref frames were too much for 3840x2160.. and yet I did it anyway
the video is native 1920x1080 but I used Nvidia's upscaling and didn't want to set to 1920x1080
anyway, I've talked way too much about it XD

maybe just screw H.264, it's an ancient format anyway

[livid plover]

Nah, just stick to stock settings and it's fine for something 95% will view in a tiny window anyway

[raven parcel]

I want to report a scammer impersonating a streamer.

Their discord username is cassie0pia_88.

[carmine ibex]

I did slower preset, default is 16 refs
I actually turned down to 8... but then forgot it's MAX 5 to have hardware decoding properly decode 3840x2160 with H.264

[raven parcel]

They added me from this server, so. Here is to hoping that the admins will see this.

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[carmine ibex]

I work with 1920x1080 and below video so much that I forgot about that aspect..

should of just used HEVC because there would have been no issue...

or just remember to say ref=5...

[gentle crypt]

I just had the same thing happen! But my streamer was Atrioc lol.

[karmic tiger]

yeah there's a fair amount of scammers like that

[copper notch]

I feel like I'm missing out on all these scams. I should enable DMs!

😛

[opaque halo]

I have much better things to do with my time... like nothing 🙂

[marsh helm]

https://videocardz.com/newz/retailers-aibs-and-system-integrators-warn-of-geforce-rtx-50-series-shortages-and-delays

dont expet supply to be high and prices to stay near MSRP

gonna be at least a month before anything stays in stock for a few mins i feel

[prisma dove]

Standard Marketing tactic, drive up demand with FOMO.

[marsh helm]

its never been this bad before tho

the 40 and 30 series at least had stock

[sudden adder]

i dont trust a custom PC builder that is partnerned with Nvidia to be acting like that in their social media

[prisma dove]

Too much stock, for the accounting department.

[marsh helm]

zotac gets a ton of stock

so if they are complaining

they are part of the pcpartner cabal

[sudden adder]

I remember the 30 series being quite hard to get ahold of during the pandemic, so the "at least had stock" is a bit off

[terse helm]

the 30 series was so incredibly out of stock it caused a global supply problem

[marsh helm]

i got my 3060ti day 1 hour 2

<,<

[sudden adder]

how about not get caught up in the marketing BS and just wait for the thing to actually be released

[marsh helm]

yuh but im just trying to remind ppl to keep their FOMA tempered

[amber sparrow]

I don't think powergpu is doing any "marketing" with that post

They tend to be a pretty up and up operation

[marsh helm]

the amd rumors said the 23rd of 24th there would be some announcement

[sudden adder]

sounds more like you are trying to stir FOMO with the "its never been this bad" comments you just made

[marsh helm]

but currently this is considered true

march is a long time tho

[prisma dove]

Don't worry, things will be fine. Or they won't. Doesn't matter if you don't need a new GPU. If you do, plan accordingly.

[sudden adder]

not really that long when you arent worried about it every day

[marsh helm]

but as i was saying in another discord it dosnt really matter when amd drops their gpus

they need to get it WORKING and be a good price

if it takes till march for those 2 to happen then delay it

its not like they are going to lose more marketshare in the meantime all that much as a lot of their older stock is much cheaper

[amber sparrow]

I think amd holding off on firm date is to see how nvidia cards sell so they can price properly

[sudden adder]

^

[amber sparrow]

Apparently numerous retailers have received stock

[marsh helm]

yeah

[sudden adder]

pretty much what their reps told Arthur Gies (reporter/editor for Wirecutter) at CES

[terse helm]

wide availability is easy if no one's trying to buy them lol

[marsh helm]

get FSR 4 working so they are closer

[amber sparrow]

Meh

[marsh helm]

hey they got 8%

[amber sparrow]

Raw performance >>>>> fsr

[marsh helm]

idk fsr 4

removes soo many jaggies

[amber sparrow]

"Let's bash nvidia for frame gen"

"Amd better have fsr working guuder"

[sudden adder]

and creates its own jaggies

[marsh helm]

but its different

[sudden adder]

but yet the same

[amber sparrow]

^

[sudden adder]

how about people just enjoy the game and not fawn/freak out over the tech

[amber sparrow]

It's different because it's not Jensen saying it

[marsh helm]

i wonder if the lossless framegen app will work on amd gpus

[sudden adder]

I enjoied Indiana Jones. Did I have it at full max settings? No. Did I care? No. Because it was a fun game

[marsh helm]

fsr 4 working on handhelds would be great

i also wonder if amd is delaying it because its cheaper to ship slow

so they have a bigger margin

[sudden adder]

plus there are FAR MORE games that dont need any of that tech that are just as enjoyable, if not more-so

[marsh helm]

half of the gpu cores on the nvidia gpus are non raster stuff now

[sudden adder]

and not every game needs the raster that is already there anyway

im excited for the Adventure Mode update to Dwarf Fortress. No ray tracing or huge raster pushing chips needed for that

[marsh helm]

wait i thought they added that already

[sudden adder]

and ill probably spend more time playing that than I did with Indiana Jones

[amber sparrow]

I NEED 8000FPS IN MINESWEEPER

[sudden adder]

launches January 23th *, so Tomorrow

[opaque halo]

Gotta see those flags waving and the bombs exploding

[sudden adder]

it was in Beta, but I wanted to wait for the official launch of it, and not mess with the beta

[marsh helm]

👀 im watching blind play df now

[sudden adder]

DF is great, especially when I played it with a few team mates, taking turns running the fortress each week.

whenever a dwarf "behaved badly", we sent them on a trip to Tahiti, aka, launched them off a spring board into the active volcano that we built the fortress in.

[amber sparrow]

[sudden adder]

we also had bleachers for other dwarves to watch

[prisma dove]

excuse my old man moment, DF?

[sudden adder]

Dwarf Fortress

[amber sparrow]

I'd probably be in that volcano more often than not

[prisma dove]

of course 🤦‍♂️

[sudden adder]

look at those rays being traced lol

thats the "original" graphics, the current game pushes the polygons harder and makes use of all the CUDA cores

[marsh helm]

what does that app that lets you see it in 3d use it?

[sudden adder]

i was being facetious 😉

[marsh helm]

no i was just wondering

[sudden adder]

now we just need third parties to validate it

[marsh helm]

intel is the one who validated it last time remember

[karmic tiger]

you're joking, but forget to geld your cats and watch your CPU die

[sudden adder]

that happened to me in a Twitch chat-enabled game of RimWorld when viewers almost crashed my game spawning in zombies

[karmic tiger]

XD

[wheat karma]

This

I'm going to stand 24 hours in line outside the local computer store with 10 credit cards, I need those gpus man

I actually wanted to buy a 3060 12gb but they're out of stock now...

[sudden adder]

wow, impressive. Got mine last month

Amazon still has some Zotac 3060 12GB cards

[wheat karma]

Then again I'm on 4th gen intel gtx 1660, so maybe my gpu isn't the issue

But the 3060 just seemed good value and I guess I could finally use some rtx stuff

[opaque halo]

I have the 3060 and have had no problems / issues with it... but I'm also not a hard core gamer. Did have to drop some of the video settings in MSFS 24 but playing on 1900x1200 older monitors - not really missing out on anything.

[scarlet kernel]

Apparently my work wants to send me to GDC?

[sudden adder]

unless you are averse to going there (dont want to be in crowds, dont like travel, etc), do it

[terse helm]

Games Done Correctly?

[sudden adder]

in this economy?

[terse helm]

as opposed to GDQ where they do it wrong, but fast

[scarlet kernel]

Out of nowhere on slack I got a message and it basically said "I'm reaching out about GDC, your boss said you're arriving on x date and leaving x date. Pick a flight and we'll arrange it for you"

[sudden adder]

OH, so its not that they "want" to send you. They are just sending you

[scarlet kernel]

So I chose a Delta flight specifically because A: it had no layovers and B: trading cards from the pilot

[terse helm]

pick a flight that routes through tokyo

[sudden adder]

apparently some Delta flights are feeding in YouTube. Cant wait to watch Gamers Nexus on my flight to PAX East, and if I get an invite this year, St Jude Summit

[scarlet kernel]

Sadly there is a compensation limit, as is always the case

[scarlet kernel]

Yeah, most are. Also most flights over 4 hours have complimentary lunch

[terse helm]

also reason C: Delta is the only good american airline

the rest are all amateurs

[scarlet kernel]

Delta is apparently HYPER anal about quality and stuff

Also their trading cards are dope as

[terse helm]

yeah I had my friend pick a couple up

[scarlet kernel]

This is the most recent series of Delta trading cards

I'm gonna see if I can get a set from the pilot instead of just the 737 card

[terse helm]

I'm not in the US and I usually fly with their best buddies KLM or Air France

[scarlet kernel]

I'm gonna buy some snacks and trade it to the pilot, as is customary

THe question is what snack is both vegan and gluten free that ANYONE can eat

[terse helm]

dark chocolate

[scarlet kernel]

Oh shit, so true

Also my work only allows economy class but economy class wasn't available for this flight so I got the "Main Cabin" upgrade

love that

[terse helm]

unfortunately for you, "main cabin" is economy class

[scarlet kernel]

Nah, it depends on the plane

They're separate labeling

[terse helm]

you're talking about basic economy

this is something you should never ever buy

[scarlet kernel]

Oh yeah- gotcha my bad

[terse helm]

main cabin is economy without the restrictions that basic economy brings

[scarlet kernel]

Best part is I don't have to worry about getting to and from my local airport either, I live right next to the train that goes directly to and from it

[terse helm]

where is gdc?

[scarlet kernel]

So the "getting to the airport in time" stress is nonexistent

[scarlet kernel]

SFO

[terse helm]

ah never been there

[scarlet kernel]

Basically I'm gonna be flying from Minneapolis/St Paul International directly to San Franscisco International. I had options for layovers in Chicago (not doing that, too busy), Denver (Too long), or Dallas/Ft Worth (I'm trans I don't wanna touch texas with a ten foot pole)

[terse helm]

unless you're trying to optimise for FFP points, non-stop is always the best

I take detours sometimes to get extra points

[scarlet kernel]

If you can afford it or you're being reimbursed

[terse helm]

or visit Laduree

[scarlet kernel]

If I end up doing these meetups quarterly, like they suggested, I will 100% be getting the CapitalOne VentureX card

since the USBank Air Reserve card was discontinued, the VentureX seems to b e the best simple bang for buck card

10x miles on hotels and rideshare, 5x on flights, 2x on everything else, $395 annual fee but $300 yearly travel credit, so effectively $95 annual fee which you'll make back within 2-3 trips.

tbf the USBAR was a MASSIVE loss leader, it's not a surprise they pulled that

[prisma dove]

I'll wave when you fly over me. Northern California is my home territory.

[scarlet kernel]

eeee

[opaque halo]

@wary holly - honestly, thank you for the tips and info. I'm still learning and follow your steps when dealing with things.

[wary holly]

@opaque halo And I'm happy to help. Much of what I know I learned from others in the channel, now it's my turn.

[opaque halo]

Just found this. Might be helpful in w-s for anti cheat problems. https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_with_anti-cheat_technology

Can not personaly verify the details / validity ...

[tall stump]

hii

[raven parcel]

Weird.

[dire sluice]

Dash Remodel is Done!!! Gages are Freaking Crazy!!!

[left mulch]

jealous

[amber sparrow]

What is causing that? Is that just angle/lighting?

But yea, that setup is a vibe

[left mulch]

its probably that thing that you put between the two monitors

https://rog.asus.com/us/monitors/accessories/rog-bezel-free-kit-abf01-model/

[amber sparrow]

Interesting

Never heard of that thing

[dire sluice]

@amber sparrow your Monitors have too much space between them

[amber sparrow]

Heh, my main "2" monitors have no space between them

It's 1 panel using PbP

[open rune]

Add some sticks and you'll be ready for Star Citizen

[left heart]

whoa nice

this sort of setup really makes me feel torn between VR and screens for sims

on one hand, depth perception. on the other hand, physical buttons...

[livid plover]

Nah, vr hands down. You can peek around the a-pillar then

[left heart]

I guess you could still use physical buttons with a headset once it's muscle memory

[livid plover]

all buttons go on the wheel

[wary holly]

Not all VR games require VR input devices, some let you use "normal" gamepads or KB+M.

[copper notch]

Probably plenty of time for that, no need to rush... Kappa 🙂

[amber sparrow]

time to have some fun heh

dont hit me with !report. I already did. this is for my amusement

[terse helm]

this is a waste of your time

you should pretend to fall for it

[left mulch]

I don't see any point/fun in doing anything besides report/block/move on

any extra time spent is only wasted for you

[amber sparrow]

Nah. Reverse troll in idle time is enjoyable

It's too cold to do anything outside, so might as well do this

[silver fable]

It's 19 out. Practically swimsuit weather.

[amber sparrow]

If you are on meth maybe haha. Just because I'm from Florida doesn't also make me MethMan

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[brazen thunder]

[amber sparrow]

[umbral cove]

me R5 3600 is soon to retire... served only 1y and a half 😭

gotta thanks em new shittly optimized games for its retirement

[full fern]

Bath salts are totally out of style

[opaque halo]

Since when???

[full fern]

We're old enough it's getting hard to keep up with the trends LOL

[silver fable]

Don't be so salty.

[opaque halo]

Clove Cigarettes 😛

[full fern]

lets you borrow her black eyeliner

[silver fable]

What about the black lipstick.

[full fern]

Oh no, Boneshooter has to buy his own

[livid plover]

how about bathsalts

[opaque halo]

tones to go with the hair color of the mohawk

[drowsy mason]

I'm a bit suspicious of that "research project" demo ("FSR 4 but don't call it that"??). It just looked un-artifacted to me. I didn't think we were there yet even with DLSS3, it'd be a little too impressive to "start using AI" and just leapfrog DLSS like that, right? Even the DLSS4 demo wasn't literally flawless. Eh, maybe it's just "upscaling to 4K looks good" doing the heavy lifting, IDK.

[marsh helm]

it looks to be around dlss 3.8

and amd has been talking about it for over a year

they just copied what nvidia was doing

[drowsy mason]

Are you saying Nvidia's "supercomputer running for 6 years straight to improve DLSS" line isn't the real reason their upscaler is pretty good??

[copper notch]

Well, what I find interesting is that while AMD's FSR is inferior to DLSS and acknowledged as such, and shows as such in objective comparison videos... AMD's FSR 3.1 which has no machine learning at all, is considered now to be on par with NVIDIA's DLSS 2.3 o thereabouts which does use machine learning. Basically, it shows that AMD was able to produce comparable results to NVIDIA's AI Supercomputer motherbrain deep learning AI mumbo jumbo hotsauce, without using any AI at all, they just came to the party one year late. Had they started working on FSR a year or two earlier, they would have endeed up with a solution that was comparable to NVIDIA's DLSS in almost every way, but which ran on all video hardware and did not require machine learning.

Personally, I find that quite the feat, but because they were a year+ late, in practical terms it is not commonly recognized for what they were able to accomplish with FSR.

I see no reason to believe that AMD's FSR4 using machine learning can't accomplish as good or better results than NVIDIA, however they'll have to prove it first, and since NVIDIA's been doing this longer now, they certainly have the upper hand to try to stay just one step ahead of AMD. Time will tell though.

It's more about corporate priorities than technical acumen IMHO.

Their framegen tech came out over a year after NVIDIAs, and their initial beta release was somewhat of a faceplant, but once they got the proper release out, it was reviewed by many to say that it was better than NVIDIA's framegen, and some wanted to use NVIDIA DLSS upscaling with AMD framegen, but it wasn't possible until AMD updated FSR a few more times to allow their framegen to be used separately from their upscaler to allow mix and match. Dunno what current sentiments are between the 2 companies' implementations, nor how DLSS 4 changes that.

I do imagine that these technologies are maturing towards parity with each other rapidly though.

Which is ultimately great for consumers.

[drowsy mason]

Yeah, I have been skeptical of upscaling partly because of the vendor lock in and hardware upsell aspect, but if it comes to all hardware and works well I will relax a bit about it, honestly.

Though I can be particular about like upscaling and AA, so I tend not to prefer it when I do try it, but it's more options at that point. If it's not exclusive or used as too much of a crutch then it doesn't bother me too too much.

[copper notch]

I think ideally, everyone would prefer to have native rendering at any given framerate than to use upscaling, but the upscaling technologies do have merit for providing a solution that fits in a sliding scale between two extremes, so they can be quite useful.

If it wasn't for AMD's FSR, I'd have not been able to play Cyberpunk 2077 for like 2 years, as well as some other games, but FSR allowed me to use lower res and upscale to get barely playable game. 🙂

[drowsy mason]

There's some demos I've tried where it makes more sense to upscale, yeah. None of my actual library quite yet, but I can understand what makes it useful.

[copper notch]

And in some games, the DLSS upscaled version can look better in some ways than native, which I was ultra skeptical about until Hardware Unboxed did a video demonstrating it in Death Stranding and some other games.

There's an ever increasing chance though that within 10 years, games wont even use conventional rendering technologies, and everything will be generated with neural rendering or whatever the buzzword of the day is.

Looks like games are already firmly moving into the territory of requiring DLSS and other fake-frame etc. tech even on highest end GPUs due to falling somewhere on the spectrum between pushing the tech hard to do more cutting edge things, and lack of optimization and letting the hardware make up for it.

[compact lark]

I tried ai frame interpolation of 60 to 240 fps content, atm there's constant dis-occlusion artifacts around moving objects, like a bad cut/paste in photoshop.. maybe people don't notice because FXAA was already doing that around player characters

[copper notch]

I'm a 60Hz display gamer, so all the framegen tech is a big fat nothingburger for me, as you need to get 80fps to begin with for it to look half decent. The only way it could be useful to me is if it could increase frame rate from 15+fps to up over 60, but the tech can't do that without looking horrendous, so it is not useful to me. I've got 120Hz on my laptop, but would need to get 80fps+ without framegen and then use AMD's framegen on NVIDIA to benefit from it on the laptop too. Not sure I own any games where these conditions would align and produce a useful result for me. 🙂

I get like 25fps on Cyberpunk 2077 for example

[carmine ibex]

https://m.twitch.tv/twitch/clip/ExuberantDullSquirrelKlappa-Y8OjRckHp29p8L2V?desktop-redirect=true
Oh, they are actually going to do it, that's awesome
(Clip from Dan Clancy talk.. interview? What's the word I'm looking for..)

[copper notch]

hmm, mobile site doesn't seem to work on PC

[carmine ibex]

works for me

[sudden adder]

Whats the TL;DW?

[carmine ibex]

but here's non mobile https://www.twitch.tv/twitch/clip/ExuberantDullSquirrelKlappa-Y8OjRckHp29p8L2V?tt_content=clip&tt_medium=mobile_web_share

[carmine ibex]

Vedal/Neuro-sama will get a global emote for beating hype train record
you know, like Pirate Software got one at lvl 106 for beating it

[sudden adder]

Oh nice

[still mica]

Gotta make sure people get rewarded for giving twitch thousands of dollars in exchange for twitch doing nothing!

[marsh helm]

if amd can get the framegen stuff to work in all of their 400 games they will leapfrog nvidia

along with the other greatly improved image improvements

[silver fable]

Got a couple of nifty things this week.

Brand new pair of shoes, with free insoles, thanks to my employer.

And a Meta Quest 3, also thanks to them, sorta. As in, I'm employed, and bought it. The Batman game it comes with is really fun, though battery life struggles. Guess that's why there's an elite strap with battery I can buy.

[full fern]

New shoes feel so good! Insoles are a big plus. Nice!

[still turret]

Beat Saber it up.

Best VR game bar none.

[still mica]

Make sure to mod the game so that you can install custom songs, too. There's a lot of them and some of them are really, really fun.

[smoky rapids]

Regrets will be had after doing no fail with this chart https://beatsaver.com/maps/40e7e

(WARNING): Flashing lights warning if you preview it.

[still mica]

steps away slowly

[smoky rapids]

On a sidenote I've gotten an idea with some inspiration for making a "online" version version of this and Google maps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Lag:_The_Game

I've got bits and pieces already of things to use but figuring out the coding side of things will defo be "fun".

[livid plover]

All those dev hours for the hype train paying off

[carmine ibex]

but that's the thing, I thought they weren't gonna do it.. which is very strange
as you're right, it takes minimal effort on their part, and they can say that if you beat it, you will get a hype train emote added
I thought maybe their grudge against vtubers were so big that they were just gonna ignore this one and give pirate software his in April, when he will beat it again... which would be kind of messed up
or maybe they were too corrupt at this point that they just weren't gonna do it again in the future for anyone

[marsh helm]

oh i got a possible good deal on an sony a6400 used for $470

anyone have and recommendations for budget used wildlife lenses? and possibly a gimbal?

[smoky rapids]

Camera guy from another server's thoughts.

And was told gimbal isn't a good idea.

[livid plover]

Wildlife lenses is a bit of a wide range, and there's less secondhand market for sony kit vs nikon/canon so price likely to be higher

[terse helm]

lenses tend to keep most of their value anyway

[sick cedar]

I use Sigma 150-500mm f5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM for wildlife. I got mine used (300-350 USD, its a fairly old lens). It has a lot of flaws, and not great light transmission, but it was the cheapest and best way I could get to the 400mm range. This is on an old canon DSLR.

As far as I know and have seen, you are just out of luck for Sony. There is no option in my budget range. That is the primary reason why I went with older gear, the used market is fantastic, and my old as camera is perfectly fine, it mostly comes down to the glass I feel.

[marsh helm]

ive been seeing a good amount of used sony gear

[sick cedar]

And what price have you seen for a 400mm range? 😛 Event the used stuff is waaay to pricy for my liking

[marsh helm]

400mm big

i was looking at a 35mm for walking around

theres some interesting ones from third parties

[sick cedar]

budget used wildlife lenses
oh...

[marsh helm]

viltrox 1.7 35mm

[terse helm]

35mm?

is the wildlife you're wanting to shoot people's dogs?

[marsh helm]

my dog yes

he cute

i would like a 150mm prime

[sick cedar]

I see. I think most people who think of wildlife is 300mm+

[marsh helm]

well the birds outside my house are pretty close

[sick cedar]

Shooting with 200mm is hopeless for birds imo. With deer, you could maybe sneak up, but its a bit scary (I've tried). Big horns on the bucks

[marsh helm]

and 150 on a crop is longer

[sick cedar]

I'm on APSC 😛

[marsh helm]

are any of the 70-300m any good?

[unborn lark]

https://youtube.com/shorts/tudSJCgru6o?si=4k8OefQ5AcCSFqvn

[marsh helm]

https://www.tomshw.it/hardware/nvidia-rtx-5090-test-recensione

[uneven garden]

<@&715347355565817879> I'd like to report DM death threats from a community member (already reported this to Discord). Thanks.

[sudden adder]

Page not found

[marsh helm]

hah

ill see if i can grab some screenshots

[umbral cove]

Hmm

wont the copper base be dangerous if it touches the metalic parts on the SSD? 🤔

[marsh helm]

thats umm

odd

[marsh helm]

https://videocardz.com/195043/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-blackwell-graphics-cards-review-roundup

[smoky rapids]

Goodbye Origin https://help.ea.com/en/help/ea/ea-app/update-operating-system-for-ea-app/

[amber sparrow]

Interesting. I was forced into using ea app quite a while ago

[marsh helm]

napkin math was correct

25%~ faster

and frame gen having issues with blur with fast moving objects

and requiring at least 60-90 fps base to get something good

4090 used market will stay high till after the 5080 drop which should be a far more interesting offering

[jaunty fulcrum]

And yet it has had zero improvements since the beta

[tall vapor]

well, uh, duh? 😅

[amber sparrow]

I don't really personally have any performance issues aside from the semi regular issue where it forgets its own window size and I have to maximize it for cursor position to be properly recognized

[marsh helm]

it doubles the fans blades

and causes artifacts in the crosswalk

annoying ones

[jaunty fulcrum]

I've had it crash a number of times, and it has forgotten specific installed games a couple times. And there's no way to discover an existing installed game.

[marsh helm]

also the text on that board is messed up

@tall vaporwhen will nvidia release something that makes me want to upgrade from my 3060ti and not feel like im being robbed?

[amber sparrow]

Interesting. That seems super unfortunate. I know a friend or 2 that has had similar. Guess I'm lucky. I've had the Xbox app forget games are installed more than the ea app

[jaunty fulcrum]

The Xbox app is just as bad in various ways. Worse in others, it sometimes just fails downloads and the only fix is to cancel the download which uninstalls the game. Very shitty

[tall vapor]

sometime 2087 mebe?

[marsh helm]

ill be ded

[copper notch]

I don't think I would lay money down in a bet that AMD is going to leapfrog NVIDIA. It's one of those "prove it by doing it" situations IMHO. They have a long way to go, and NVIDIA is like 20x the size, so odds are not in AMD's favour on this one IMHO. However, it looks like AMD is trying to make this launch happen in their favour, by delaying the release both to get FSR4 more right at launch, and to know what NVIDIA's pricing will be before launching.

[amber sparrow]

Fsr4 might be part of it, but I'm really betting the biggest part of delay is pricing and how much stock nvidia actually gets out there

No sense in wasting all your gas to get to the start line, only to stall out because you didn't have anything in the tank to actually start the race. Not that I think it's gonna be much of a race if amd doesn't price aggressively

[copper notch]

Yeah, rumours are NVIDIA supply will be low, but we'll see. So far the 5090 looks a little disappointing in terms of performance and price:performance. I think it's mostly going to just be a win for AI enthusiasts due to 32GB and 2.5x AI acceleration uplift.

It's clearly made for AI, not gaming.

[terse helm]

it's like I said they should've made a cheaper one with the same core config but less memory

[umbral cove]

If the 5090 uplifts kinda low compared to the previous... What will be of the lower tier ones?

[terse helm]

no gamer needs 32GB of vram, that's clearly an AI bros thing

even the 24GB of its predecessors is far beyond what any game needs

I just want the 20k CUDA cores

[umbral cove]

Welp, will need to remove the sticker on the nvme i have.. to apply a heatspreader

warranty will be gone 😭

[livid plover]

if it needed a heatspreader it'd have one from the factory, don't let big cooler bully you!

[tall vapor]

but why tho? those stickers tend to be copper foil in and of themselves...

[prisma dove]

label is a heat spreader

[tall vapor]

copper foil sandwiched in some plastic

yup

[prisma dove]

otherwise, they would burn up over time. Or sooner, with how hot some people run their gear

[tall vapor]

gets heat away from the controller and moves it towards the nand

and spreads it out too

all good all fine

[open rune]

There are some games with hi-res texture packs now that will push close to 24 at 4K so it's possible but you're correct that there aren't many like that. Diablo 4, Space Marine 2 come to mind

[tall vapor]

that's like all ya need with 3.0x4 drives, early 4.0x4 drives needed more (more modern ones don't afaik?), 5.0x4 need more no matter what

[terse helm]

ok sure, then if you want to run those games at 4K with the high-res texture packs (and presumably at 9 fps) then you get the 32GB version

[tall vapor]

that's why like 4.0x4 drives are still rare in laptops. Okay fine sometimes in rare cases ya can find em by now, but yah. Mostly 3.0x4 still

[open rune]

They run fine, it's just an enormous pile of textures

[umbral cove]

Thia one aint it.. i dont think, feels like a regular sticker

[open rune]

I think it balloons the Space Marine 2 install size to something like 160 GB

[terse helm]

oof

[tall vapor]

which drive

[umbral cove]

It stays behind the gpu... So, yeah.. toasty

[umbral cove]

TeamGroups MP33

[tall vapor]

yeah no

even gets airflow from the graphics card

yer fine

[livid plover]

and general caseflow, which you hopefully have lest you fry your RAM too

[tall vapor]

that's a boring ol' gen 3x4 drive

yer double fine

[umbral cove]

If the gpu fans are off... It hovers near the 70s

[tall vapor]

a slow one at that

[tall vapor]

what how. it's a slow gen3x4 drive O.o

[umbral cove]

Its used as the secondary storage.. its pretty fine for most things

[umbral cove]

Air pocket

Air from the case cant reach it there

Forms a hot pocket

[tall vapor]

still how

I run drives that max out gen3x4 with less just fine

O.o

I mean like me 970evo+ hovers at around 50 normally, fair

but yah that's perfectly fine

[umbral cove]

I have no idea how it runs with good airflow... But crammed there between the gpu and mobo.. hot fs

[amber sparrow]

Diablo 4 doesn't even push my 16 gigs to the max at 5120x1440

Well, once they solved the vram leak issue

[copper notch]

Absolutely true however... by using 32GB of VRAM it increases the memory bus bandwidth to 512-bit which in turn gives a performance gain to video games due to the bus width rather than the amount of VRAM. IOW, if it only had 24GB, all other things being the same, the card would be even slower for gaming.

[terse helm]

-# DLSS will fix it

couldn't they halve it exactly at the same speed by using the same amount, but half-capacity memory chips?

[umbral cove]

Is it sitting on a slot behind the fpu tho?

I feel like thats a spot that heatsup greatly

[tall vapor]

yes it is, and that's with the gpu fans not runnin

[terse helm]

which would not be a great option for 24GB but becomes a possibility at 32?

[umbral cove]

Welp.. my MP33 likes to run toasty then

[amber sparrow]

Didn't you say it only hit 60c max?

[umbral cove]

Stresstesting it goes near 80s, iirc

[tall vapor]

yeah and like it's a slow drive , like that drive is practically pointlessly gen3x4 rather than gen3x2 😅

[umbral cove]

It sits in the slot bellow the KC3000... Urs also?

[copper notch]

Which would either double the amount of space taken up by memory chips, increasing the size of the circuit board and making cooling more complex, or using clamshell and making it even more complex to cool, and probably making the cards more expensive to manufacture and being wider than 2-slot. So yeah, they could do that but I'm not sure why they would want to do that or what benefit it would give consumers or NVIDIA. It would be a pretty much universally bad decision IMHO.

[terse helm]

huh?

it is my understanding, perhaps incorrectly, that the number of chips determines(/dictates) the memory bus width, so if they have let's say 16 2GiB chips now, just put 16 1GiB chips instead

[amber sparrow]

Heh. My drives aren't going over 51c while running crystaldiskmark

Granted it's currently 20c in my office

[umbral cove]

The primary driver i have... Way faster and runs way colder than the gen 3

[copper notch]

Yeah, like I said, 2x the number of chips requires 2x the amount of space on the circuit board to fit them, which makes the board much larger, which makes cooling solution more difficult and increases the cost of manufacturing the card.

[terse helm]

why are we doing 2x the number of chips?

[umbral cove]

Ive also read somewhere that bellow 40C is bad for the drive when writting 👀 maybe somethin from the past, who knows

[copper notch]

The reason they use larger capacity chips and less of them is that the overall solution becomes less expensive and is easier to cool. The cooling solutions are super expensive part of the design of the hardware, so making it easier to cool makes the cooling solution cheaper too.

[copper notch]

To maintain the same amount of memory, if you use chips that are half the capacity, it requires 2x the number of chips.

[terse helm]

ok but

the point was reducing the amount of memory

[copper notch]

If you use half capacity chips and same number of chips then you get a 16GB 5090 instead of a 32GB one.

[terse helm]

while retaining access speed

exactly

that was the idea

make that, make it cheaper, sell it to gamers

[copper notch]

I don't think a 16GB 5090 would be received well when the previous 2 generations of 90 class GPUs had 24GB

it would be DOA

[terse helm]

only if they didn't price it accordingly

[copper notch]

However... when those 1.5x capacity chips come out, they might be able to make versions with better all around configurations.

[amber sparrow]

40c is nowhere near too low

[terse helm]

there are lots of people who want more mathing capacity but for whom 32 (and even 24) GB of VRAM is unnecessary

[umbral cove]

Ive read some geiblerish then 🤣

[terse helm]

which I know as a 3090 owner

because I am one of them

[copper notch]

Sure, but the 5090 is the flagship GPU. On stage Jensen said that they are made for people building $10000 computers. They not trying to target gamers that want a budget 5090, they are explicitly targeting rich people.

[amber sparrow]

5090 Jr edition

[terse helm]

call it the RTX 5085

[copper notch]

People who want a 16GB 5090 and think that makes sense, are not the target customer of NVIDIA

[terse helm]

at this point gamers aren't the target customer of nvidia anyway

but we exist and we want gpus

[amber sparrow]

Buy amd

[copper notch]

That's certainly true too. 🙂

[terse helm]

love me an AMD cpu

imo if they do something like that

they can price the 32GB 5090 even higher

[copper notch]

AMD is being criticized for not having RDNA4 in CES presentation and for being noticeably quiet about the details... but I'm starting now to think more and more that AMD is being very smart and strategic by holding back RDNA4 details and waiting for NVIDIA to release and get reviewed. Now that 5090 is out and reviewed, AMD can easily back-estimate the 5080, 5070Ti etc. and get ballparks for their performance and price:performance, and compare with RDNA4 and set their pricing. But they need to see the DLSS 4 side of things and gauge it first. They'll probably have to set their prices lower than they intended, but can now do so without undercutting themselves too.

I was interested potentially in a 5090 because in fantasy land who wouldn't be... but now that the numbers are out it looks pretty disappointing in price:value IMHO.

[amber sparrow]

If they were smart, they'd price 9070xt at 450usd and 9070 non xt at 399

[copper notch]

A pair of 4070TI Supers or a 5070Ti would cost far less than a 5090 and allow 32GB of VRAM for AI. The performance would be lower, but for inferencing you just need "fast enough", and it is the VRAM that is important to be able to run larger models without a huge performance degrade spilling over into CPU+RAM.

[copper notch]

Yeah, if they go $450, it is going to be a massive win for them IMHO.

If it was being used ONLY for gaming, I'd totally consider a 9070XT as the gaming value is probably going to be pretty high in comparision. Sadly, AMD's ROCm software is still lacklustre compared to CUDA, and updates break it often, and it has less application support and is a second class citizen often not even being supported by default and requiring an extra download, then hoping it works. So I'm not comfortable enough with AMD yet on the AI front. They need more time in the oven on that.

Most gamers and consumers don't give a rats ass about AI or are even opposed to AI, so that wont matter at all for most people though.

AMD is polling the AI community right now to find out what hardware people want to see them add AI support to next at least so they seem to be trying to up their game, just kind of slowly.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-blackwell-gpu-with-96gb-gddr7-memory-and-512-bit-bus-spotted

96GB GPU.... geeze

[marsh helm]

If they can get to more than 75 games I would be impressed

[open rune]

It still does for me but it may just be because it has the extra headroom

[copper notch]

If they can get it in Cyberpunk 2077, I'll be mega impressed. Patch 2.21 just came out with DLSS 4 support today, but I doubt they will release a 2.22 with FSR4 since the FSR support has lagged far behind historically. I will be surprised if AMD gets any significant number of existing games updated with FSR4, but we'll see. Especially unlikely in games that are no longer receiving periodic support updates.

It's probably going to come down to AMD paying the game developers to do it IMHO.

And since FSR4 at launch sounds like it will be RDNA4-only, it's only going to affect new card sales not benefit existing gamers, so will be somewhat of a nothingburger. They've hinted that they may add support for RDNA3 in the future but until they actually do it...

NVIDIA's also hinted at DLSS4 framegen considerations for 4000 series

[tall vapor]

mine is directly under the graphics card heatsink

[umbral cove]

hmm, same then... welp, i dunno how mine runs so hot then

[tall vapor]

just a toasty ssd by the looks of it, or yah heat from the graphics card cause honestly that thing being toasty by itself.... don't think so? or it would be very surprising at least

[umbral cove]

had a heatsink on, but it helped only about 7Cs, gon swap it with a heatspreader now, to see if it does better

[tall vapor]

not really I think, cause yeah graphics card nearby

😅

and dependin on what temp that thing radiates... ya phew

[umbral cove]

better than with nothin, since the sticker on it probably only worsen the situation

[tall vapor]

those stickers usually have a reason to be there, cause yah usually they be heatspreaders

[umbral cove]

i think the gpu hot air exales directly unto it

[tall vapor]

could be that they cheaped out on that ssd cause is cheap&slow ssd 😅

[umbral cove]

i did some touching test on mine, pretty sure its only a plastic sticker

[tall vapor]

the surface is plastic yes

[umbral cove]

completely different from what i have on the kc3000

[tall vapor]

thickness is how you find out

but ya fair

the heatspreader ones are thicker than normal stickers

cause they got the copper layered in there

[umbral cove]

yeah, i do notice it when comparing both my NVMEs

thats why i say the one on my cheaper nvme is probably only making shit worse

[compact lark]

bg3 get a performance patch during 2024/2025?

or like engine limitations lifted for bg3?

[amber sparrow]

game patch or maybe driver improvements?

[terse helm]

LTT bringing us the truly important specs

[sudden adder]

Seems similar to the gamers Nexus joke

[terse helm]

hehe

finally a benchmark where AMD wins

[compact lark]

other sources find a different place where the 5090 fps doesn't scale for bg3
or perhaps tpu and toms came up with the same scene but tpu moved on because of an engine bottleneck?

[left heart]

it could also just be from whatever test scene they're using

[terse helm]

I just watched the whole 20 min LTT video and at no point does anything explain why Alex is holding a hammer

[left heart]

oh, elephant in the room: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gpu-test-system-update-for-2025/

[livid plover]

It's alex

[left heart]

somewhat unsurprisingly, the "performance patch" is using a 9800X3D

[compact lark]

ah, good point
google fed me 'patch 6 +20fps for me' and 'patch 7 -20%fps and jerkyness here' for bg3 during 2024, title in flux for sure
Cities Skylines II: Bad game/engine resulting in very low performance, despite promises no major performance improvements, not very popular
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2025 launch was a disaster, they also rely too much on online, so nothing that I can test reliably.
heh shots fired

I considered Final Fantasy 16, but decided against it because it's not a big commercial hit
bruh this is the only title I cared about buying a card for
game runs like ass, don't buy game.. wait for new hardware.. new hardware reviews.. game didn't sell well wont bench it

[karmic tiger]

FFXVI was fkin amazing idgaf

[compact lark]

SEP 2024, 4 months ago, everyones waiting on 50 series already.. you drop these performance numbers
and you think the public is going to drop everything to buy a 4070 Ti to make the game look popular?
*just shaking fist at cloud atm, not ff7 cloud 🤦 *

[compact lark]

oh well someone else did it at DLSS quality bleh, dlss and framegen are bandaids to make 4k possible imo

[left mulch]

more importantly, with DLSS and framegen does it look good?

I will continue to argue the point that technicalities don't really matter as much as how something functions when applied

[drowsy mason]

Don't play on Ultra I guess

[silver fable]

Framegen on my 4090 looks good. I'll have to witness what comes next for myself to know. Of course, my plan is to still skip the 50 series for the next.

[umbral cove]

4090 certainly not bad

Cpu is stuck and he cant get out 😭

And the new is already in

[terse helm]

if you have a 40 series and buy a 50 series I shall take this as a sign that you ahve too much money and will take the 40 series off your hand

and I'll do that for free because I'm so nice

well I should say 4090 to 5090

if you want to go from a 4060 to a 5090 that's a different matter

[silver fable]

I try and skip a gen, yeah. Went from 2080 ti to the 4090.

[opaque halo]

plastic spatula or some other non abrasive / scratching tool should help lift it off

[umbral cove]

yeah.. but right now iam not in a hurry to take it out

[opaque halo]

Hope you have new paste. And blow that cooler of (outside) too 🙂

[umbral cove]

i also kinda broke some part of the socket, when taking the oldie out

the part where that metal thingy goes out, the lever

[terse helm]

stick it back in and run it so it warms up

[umbral cove]

it was warm when i went to take it out... even then, it came glued to the cooler

welp, just checked... the part where i thought was broke... isnt

so i have no idea where the bits ive found came from

[copper notch]

Wow, is that like 360p video at 200kbps, screenshotted as a JPG with 10% compression? LOL

[copper notch]

Dunno if anyone else suggested anything or not yet, but use dental floss soaked in isopropyl alcohol, to slowly floss your way through it.

[opaque halo]

@copper notch - ok if I send you a DM?

[copper notch]

sure

[sudden adder]

it was the only image i could find doing a basic search on Google on my phone while out of the house, LOL

[copper notch]

I thought maybe you worked for Google in the Google Images Thumbnails division or something there for a moment. 🙂

[umbral cove]

nice... thank, that seems like a good idea

[wheat karma]

that'd be sick job

[amber sparrow]

Did you get a new cooler? Good luck with that stock cooler keeping up with 5800

[copper notch]

Should be fine likely unless overclocking.

[umbral cove]

its a 5700X3D, its quite a bit cooler vs the 800

[copper notch]

oh wait, they can't be overclocked

[umbral cove]

i think the stock cooler mightve help quite well, but i did get a better cooler

[copper notch]

What GPU are you pairing it with BTW?

[carmine ibex]

except you could sell 4090 for same price you bought for
but only if you are okay waiting for a few months

[copper notch]

Looks like AMD is now getting US made Zen 5 out off TSMC AZ.

[umbral cove]

still on a 6650 XT, prob will upgrade later down the road

[scarlet kernel]

finally actually cleaned my room up a bit

[full fern]

It looks so nice! Great work.

[opaque halo]

Looks wonderful!!

[scarlet kernel]

Thank you! I'm still working on making the space my own. Lots of decorating to do!

[opaque halo]

One step at a time 🙂

[scarlet kernel]

Exactly. I've been here two months, I've got time

[opaque halo]

cat proofing via tablet 🙂

[scarlet kernel]

yep! Lil Wacom CTL472

[opaque halo]

Should contact them about the alternative / secondary feature of being "anti cat" 😆

[carmine ibex]

Edge versus Firefox
??????
I am trying Edge because Firefox I have to refresh like every 2 hours to keep it snappy.. it slows down the longer you wait
but Edge is... uh.... 30 to 60 fps scrolling..
what's weird is that some channels have choppy scrolling and others are pretty much 120 fps...

do I have hardware acceleration disabled, or something...?

I tried disabling and honestly, it's not that much worse in some servers
but that's only because the scrolling is already below 60 fps
something is very strange

[copper notch]

Protip: If you get burnin on your wall, you can always put a coat of paint over it. 🙂

[scarlet kernel]

it's actually burn-in within the projector, because it's a super cheap Chineseium projector

basically OLED burn-in type beat

[opaque halo]

@scarlet kernel May I send you a DM?

[scarlet kernel]

Sure!

[copper notch]

I know, but I can never pass that joke up with projectors 🙂

[scarlet kernel]

lmfao I just got it

OH SHIT I SHOULD GET WHITE WALLPAPER FOR THE WALLS. they're like a faint blue rn

[copper notch]

Told a buddy that once, and he was like "Oh, I didn't know you could get burnin on the wall" and turned the lights on and projector off and studied the wall looking for burnin. LOL

They sell screens, and also special paint for projection walls. Dunno how much it costs though.

[scarlet kernel]

I don't wanna paint the wall, I might just get a pure white stick on wallpaper. Cheap and good enough

[umbral cove]

how weird, a game wasnt launching with my old cpu... now with the new its launching normaly

[scarlet kernel]

What was the old CPU, and what's the new one?>

[umbral cove]

3600 and 5700X3D

it used to open on the 3600, not sure what hapened

[scarlet kernel]

Daaaang big upgrade