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[cunning cloud]

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-# canary This account is owned by the Unofficial Discord Modding Association. (UDMA).

[sterile flower]

What in fuck is thine scripture beneath thy emoticon, fair noble

[sudden adder]

Markdown

Copy the text of the message and paste it into Notepad

[sterile flower]

L -# L

Oh wait hang on

Balls -# [Balls]

I'm getting there

💀
-# balls This account is owned by the Balls Association

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-# lorem lorem ipsum

Huh

Does there have to be a link at the start or something?

[sudden adder]

I would assume the link has to be there to make the text highlighted like that

[terse helm]

-# Highlighted like what?

[sudden adder]

💀
-# highlighted like deez nutz

[terse helm]

do people still not know about markdown?

[sudden adder]

not everyone knows about every technology out there

and Discord uses a small subset of Markdown

more than Twitch uses in their Stream Info panels below a live stream, but its still limited

[terse helm]

tbh I'm still against discord having added it

so many people get scammed because of markdown

[sudden adder]

scammers will always find a way, regardless. might as well disable JavaScript in web browsers, or not let services integrate with other services via oauth

(ive actually had my twitter account hijacked via a twitter oauth flow from about a decade and a half ago)

a good reason to regularly audit what services you have authorized thru what other services, and prune what you dont use anymore

[wary holly]

Did someone turn up the difficulty level in #windows-support ? I swear they used to come with easy/medium issues for the most part, but nowadays it feels like i get "hard" and "very hard" issues. Or maybe someone swiped all the easy ones while I wasn't looking.

[livid plover]

Or people got smarter and only need help with more advanced issues

[wary holly]

Well, yes, but also no. Where did all the minecraft youtubers go? It's summer, prime time for them.

[sudden adder]

the IPv4/IPv6 one tripped me up earlier. Ive had mine set to V4 only since early on with that option

[wary holly]

I can't believe I miss minecraft

[sudden adder]

we had one or two !roblox folks today, so that was refreshing, lol

[livid plover]

Summer camp

[tame stirrup]

What’s up everyone

Do you guys know why my TikTok studio is saying this when I try to go live?

Please I need help

[prisma dove]

Seems self-explanatory

[silver fable]

Probably not available, hence the message.

[prisma dove]

Do you have a TikTok stream key?

[tame stirrup]

I don’t need a TikTok stream key I already have the TikTok studio app

With that I can connect it to obs using virtual camera

[silver fable]

So, what you're really looking for is TikTok Studio support.

[tame stirrup]

Whenever I click go live it says that and then it says this

[silver fable]

Have you spoken to TikTok support?

[tame stirrup]

How do you do that?

[silver fable]

I have no idea, I don't use TikTok.

[prisma dove]

I get you don't need one, but it looks like you are trying to use OBS to output to tiktok studio and stream without a streamkey. If you had one, you can easily avoid their app.
Otherwise, contact tiktok for support with their app, a link should be on their website.

[tame stirrup]

I don’t have a stream key because I don’t have 1k followers yet

Do you guys know how to get a stream key without having 1k followers

[prisma dove]

Tiktok controls all of that.

[silver fable]

and from what people have said, you just don't.

[plush harness]

Pc question: is actually shutting down pc after use worse for it then leaving it on all the time? For a longevity standpoint

[opaque halo]

Nope

[plush harness]

It’s random. I have 1 k and don’t have a stream key

@opaque halo so that’s fine ?

[opaque halo]

Yup. MANY years ago there were some issues with HDDs shutting down and "parking" for a long time. With modern HDDs that's not an issue and most computers use SSDs / NVMs .

[plush harness]

Ok thx !

It said something along the lines that the surge of power during on/off could cause more wear on components

Preeschiate the feedback 😎

[full fern]

@reef garnet YT does not require 16:9

Twitch often does, tho

[opaque halo]

Nah... that's all ancient stuff.

[full fern]

You can both stream and upload recordings at your screen's resolution

[opaque halo]

There is no "surge" as things are better regulated on hardware now-a-days

[reef garnet]

Apologize if I'm making assumptions. I just don't get how to solve this...
I need to stream and record while streaming. If I base canva 3440x1440 and output at 1920x1080 for twitch will it be ok for youtube or will I be cut off at any point in this cycle?
I was under the impression I'd have to tone down the UW's reso to 1920x1080 in order to make this work

[silver fable]

and "Shutdown" on modern operating systems just means "Sleep".

[opaque halo]

Yup - still can power stuff on the USBs with the PC "off"

[full fern]

No, set both resolutions in Settings > Video to 3440x1440

[prisma dove]

You don't "solve" this. You are making a creative choice based on what you want to capture and at what aspect ratio you want to stream at.

[reef garnet]

What's the possible downside of just doing both at 3440x1440 like powerfuldot is mentioning?
Will viewers not be able to see properly if they can't support that resolution from their screens?

[plush harness]

New rig

[prisma dove]

Also, you can't "tone down" the aspect ratio from one ratio to another, at least not cleanly.
You can decrease the resolution which is the pixel measurement, while keeping the same aspect ratio, to "tone it down" for bitrate limitations on twitch.

[prisma dove]

Downside is twitch bitrate sucks for anything more than 720p60, 16:9 or other aspect ratio.

[cunning pine]

If you have a canvas that is 21:9 and you set the output resolution to 16:9 it won't crop anything. It will just squish it horizontally to fit.
If you want to properly capture ultra wide content and fit it into a non ultra wide aspect ratio, set your Base canvas and output to the 16:9 resolution then either fit or crop the content itself inside the OBS scene preview. If you crop it will fill the whole scene, if you fit it will have black bars and you can fill those black bar spaces with other stuff like overlays

[prisma dove]

Alright, I'm heading out for dinner. I'm sure people will have lots of advice. Try different setups and see which you like best, both for quality and performance.

[reef garnet]

Thanks for taking the time!

[silver fable]

Do you have the time to listen to me whine...
About nothing and everything all at once?

[full fern]

I'll make one of my patented drawings for you, just a few

[reef garnet]

Not able to squish, the game I stream is fullscreen, will take all of the UW and will just end up getting cut either way. So I guess the only solution is 16:9 base with the 1920x1080 resolution

[cunning pine]

So what you're trying to say is that you're a melodramatic fool?

[reef garnet]

Hahah I'll take that pls 🙏🏾

[silver fable]

I'm neurotic to the bone

[reef garnet]

No doubt about it

[cunning pine]

I didn't say anything about you being able to squish. I was telling you what would happen if you set your Base canvas to the ultrawide resolution and then set the output resolution to a non ultra wide resolution to match. OBS during encoding will squish it to make it fit

[reef garnet]

Ah ok makes sense, thanks I misunderstood

I tried it out with test streams and yeah it just ends up being pushed together if they don't match. Was just wondering if I could get away with it

[cunning pine]

Depending on the game, you may be able to do the crop option. If the game you are playing has the ability to let you adjust where on the screen the HUD is, and you can push the HUD more to the center of the screen to where would be if it was a 16:9 image, then you can just do that capture an OBS and crop off the sides and then it looks normal to your viewer

[reef garnet]

Makes sense. Just fearful of how it'll end up looking when doing cuts for videos and stuff. Seems like it might be easier to just stick to the 16.9 with the standard resolution 1080

[cunning pine]

In my personal opinion, ditching ultra wide for normal 16:9 aspect ratio when gaming in general is better. While ultra-wide is cool and gives you all this extra viewability it becomes an absolute nightmare when trying to make content with it. For me personally my ultra wide monitor is just my secondary monitor that sits above my main one and I use it for putting things like OBS and web browsers in music players and stuff onto while I'm gaming

[reef garnet]

Was considering doing just that yeah :l

Now have to find a good 16.9 monitor 😄

[full fern]

This is what viewers who have a 16:9 screen will see if you use the resolutions I gave you.

Your whole game/display will show, but the YT page will add black space around it. Nothing lost.

It will be less squiggly of course

[reef garnet]

Love the drawing, your paint skills are on point

Appreciate the help 🙂 I understood what you meant now

[full fern]

Hehehe, thanks!

Gonna add that one to my portfolio hahaha

[reef garnet]

Hahah you'll have content for the next noob like me 😄

[full fern]

Always good to have technical diagrams on tap. LOL

[reef garnet]

One last thing before I stop annoying you guys - just out of curiosity...
If I set the game itself to 1920x1080 resolution, keep the base canva at full 3440 on OBS, is there a way in OBS to capture and stream only the 1920x1080 game adding a source that only captures the game window?
THat way I could fill the left over space in the UW with other stuff

I'm gonna go ahead and risk that there's a fatal flaw in this logic 😄

[split jacinth]

hey guys just built a new pc, im using nvenc av1 to stream at 108060, 6000 kbps & the stream is still blocky

is there a way to fix this?

[full fern]

Yes, you could do that if you wanna. Would be most useful with games that do not have am UW resolution available.

But it may be easier to stream and record at 1920x1080 at that point

[reef garnet]

I stream Diablo4, it has all kinds of settings, just thought of this to not waste the space, just curious if it messes up something else.
Why do you say it's easier to stream and record in 1920 at that point? Wouldn't I be doing that?

[opaque halo]

TBH - 6000 bitrate is not enough to push 1080 at 60fps. Would set output to 1280x720.

[split jacinth]

shouldn't AV1 help with that a little?

i've seen other streamers use the same settings im using rn & their streams look a lot better

[silver fable]

Streaming to YouTube, I assume?

[opaque halo]

It will a little. Head on over the the appropriate support channel for further assistance

[split jacinth]

yea

[opaque halo]

Then kick up your bitrate. Sorry.. using 6000 threw me off

[silver fable]

YouTube reencodes everything. With 1080p, you get a lower quality reencode. Bump to 1440p, or increase bitrate.

[opaque halo]

YouTube can accept up to 51000 so set yours to about 75-80$% of your ISP upload speed.

[split jacinth]

my upload's 10 lol

not that high

so i dont downscale from 1440p to 1080p?

that's what ive been trying so far

[opaque halo]

Ouch.. so I'd shoot for 8000 then.

[full fern]

If you wanted to run a game at 1920x1080, then fill in the rest of your UW canvas, you can of course. Just seems like it is extra effort.

If you do want tl do that some of the time, you can make a new Profile from the menu at the top of OBS. Profiles save different configurations of settings, so in that new profile, you can make canvas and output a 16:9 resolution and have the game fill it up.

A second Scene Collection (also a menu) can be made which saves different collections of scenes and sources. So you could switch back and forth for different resolution streams and recordings with a few clicks.

[reef garnet]

Got it, appreciate all the insanely fast & complete help 🙂 ❤️

Have a great night!

[full fern]

You're most welcome!

You too!

[full fern]

What Down Detector says vs what Twitch says

[cunning pine]

Needs more data

Where are all those down detector reports coming from location wise?
What service provider are all of them using?
Any correlations between these reports?

All down detector does is show reports while maybe doing a simple ping themselves to a nearby server

[full fern]

Sure, but have you seen w-s the last 12 hours? Asstons of Twitch complaints.

[opaque halo]

Seems like South America is having issues. Numerous people popping in and Twitch test shows complete failures

[cunning pine]

I wonder if when it comes to twitch if they are only showing you that everything is good because they see what server/region you are connected to and in regards to that everything is fine

[full fern]

Yeah, that could be it. They aren't great at communication of details haha

[cunning pine]

What if you cleared the cookies and data, went onto a VPN for the suspected region then loaded that web page again

I wonder if it would tell a different story

[full fern]

Would a browser in private mode work? I don't have any VPN installed at the moment

[cunning pine]

I don't think so cuz I am theorizing that it tells you everything is fine because it can see where you were located. So you need to change your location

I have a VPN. Just give me the URL

[full fern]

Cool, thx

https://status.twitch.com/

My area is WA state USA

Oh, wait, it's in my bio. LOL

[cunning pine]

It says the same thing when connected through Brazil

[full fern]

throneoflies.gif LOL

[opaque halo]

I believe it was mainly Argentinia

[cunning pine]

I don't think it's twitch lol

I think it's Argentina

[full fern]

Could be!

[cunning pine]

Cuz my Argentina location for my VPN isn't available. It's greyed out with no ping

[full fern]

Are there any internet cables near sharks in or around Argentina?

[cunning pine]

Lol

[opaque halo]

Had to find it 🙂

[silver fable]

@full fern

[full fern]

LOL I love it

[silver fable]

Didn't think it was a good idea to throw that into #audio-support 🤣

[full fern]

Hehehehe

[marsh helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFE4q35buKs

Possible Ring Bus Flaw

[tall vapor]

I mean, uh.... yeah, makes sense

[dire dust]

My stepdad knowingly sent this to me, his stepdaughter. I have no idea what he intended to achieve by sending it to me. Lol

[jaunty fulcrum]

I love the implication that they died after barely touching their beer

[marsh helm]

why women act like women and not like men!?!

[livid plover]

why are men tho

[marsh helm]

idk im autistic i dont understand how anything works

[tall vapor]

me autistic ass likes folk that she does&dislikes folk that she doesn't, hope that helps

[jaunty fulcrum]

wait do things work?

[marsh helm]

i dislike all ppl who dont like cute animals

[tall vapor]

for as long as you don't consider spiders&such cute we're good then, ig

[marsh helm]

you just have to fine some cute animal cute

not all

[amber sparrow]

Some spiders are cute....

[karmic tiger]

except magnets, no, they don't

[tall vapor]

oh like those really really smol ones that wave?

[karmic tiger]

T_T

[tall vapor]

....no

[karmic tiger]

awwwwh

[tall vapor]

[karmic tiger]

even though I find those adorable, maybe spoiler them, some people might have serious arachnophobia

[tall vapor]

these are spiders that are edited to look human-esque and that just makes them even worse

[karmic tiger]

don't think so

[amber sparrow]

Is so itty bitty

What the shit

I can't say that? Bot is drunk

[marsh helm]

i had a jumping spider

in my room growing up

[amber sparrow]

@jaunty fulcrum fix the bot

[marsh helm]

he would jump on my action figures

and he lived in my doll house

[tall vapor]

ooohhhh the one that I was thinkin of when I said "the one that waves" looks similar to that if I remember correctly. Would have to ask me sister which one exactly that would be, cause she really likes those "Winkespinnen" (waving spiders), as she calls them

[marsh helm]

at one point he also lived in my castle

dyno still works

[amber sparrow]

This what bot ate haha

[marsh helm]

i saw that before it ate it tho

[amber sparrow]

Sometimes the regex on letter combinations goes toooooo far

[silver fable]

or you accidentally added a T before the itty? 😂

[jaunty fulcrum]

hmm?

[amber sparrow]

Nope

Check what it ate from me haha

I got slapped

[karmic tiger]

didn't get eaten on my end

[sudden adder]

looks the same to me

[silver fable]

Yeah, I see that, too.

[amber sparrow]

Now is back

[silver fable]

I thought you lost something else.

[amber sparrow]

It did get eaten and now it's there

[silver fable]

What? It was always there.

[sudden adder]

back? it never left

[amber sparrow]

It left on my end

[karmic tiger]

discord drunk

[amber sparrow]

Itty bitty

Discord is indeed drunk

[sudden adder]

thats your problem, you need to use the "right" end

[amber sparrow]

Discord and I both need caffeine

Direct IV

[sudden adder]

from the makers of DirecTV

[amber sparrow]

Nah, they'd ruin it

[sudden adder]

directly inject the dystopia into your veins

[copper notch]

Man... I've had pinkeye for like 5 days now and it freakin sucks. Mind you, I've had it full blown twice when I was younger and it was insane terrible, and I've had the first signs of it maybe a half dozen times since but took measures to prevent it. But this time it got me. :/ Rinsing my eyes with saline is keeping it from getting worse and reducing the itching to minimum, so it goes from feeling like it is close to gone to saying "no I'm still here!" on and off. Eyes haven't been red for a few days but it's still there. Grrr. I wouldn't wish pinkeye on my worst enemies or war criminals.

[silver fable]

Someone bareass fart on your pillow?

[sudden adder]

ew, hope you are on the mend sooner rather than later. My mom is slowly recovering from food poisoning.

[copper notch]

Broke a blood vessel in my eye too, first time that ever happened to me. I saw a 4mm round red blood dot on my white of my eye and freaked out. Telenurse said it was a broken blood vessel, and it would clear up on its own but if it got worse to go to emerg. It cleared up to about 2mm circle now, be glad when it is gone too though.

[silver fable]

I had a capillary in my eye burst. I now have a permanent spot, directly in my vision, that will never go away.

[copper notch]

Hahaha. No, I can't know for certain the cause, but I have a black sleep mask for blocking out light to sleep, and I hadn't worn it for a while but needed to sleep when the light was coming in the window so I started using it in the last few weeks, and I've had it for a few years using it on and off and never cleaned the thing, so I suspect it just got germed up and caused an eye infection. I had never thought about cleaning it, thinking of it more like a wristwatch or similar than a piece of clothing that you need to wash. But now I realize that is the probable cause I'm going to clean the thing regularly.

[copper notch]

Oh man, that is terrible 😦 Sorry to hear that.

[silver fable]

and this is why I covered all my windows with aluminum foil... Can't get pinkeye from that!

[silver fable]

I sometimes forget about it, until I notice it, then I can't fucking not see it. Sometimes makes me want to gouge it out. 😂

[copper notch]

I did that before with cardboard, but aluminum foil would work better, however if I tried that I would get a nasty letter or phonecall from the landlord over it looking like an eyesore.

[tall vapor]

I got the magic technology of "roller shutters"

[livid plover]

see a doc if it is pinkeye/infection, i got some drops for mine and both times it cleared up within a week or dropping, and was way better after 2 days

[livid plover]

drug den look

[copper notch]

I really should come up with some kind of solution that completely blocks out all light coming in the window, does not look bad from outside, does not cause mold on the window, and is easily removed to open the window.

[silver fable]

You can buy aluminum foil that's black, or white.

[tall vapor]

can be opened&closed at will and blocks out all light. How much is blocked out also is adjustable etc etc etc. V fancy, sadly that technology hasn't been invented yet

[livid plover]

just buy black vinyl wrap

[civic quarry]

Behind the scenes of a Music Producer

[copper notch]

That is what I would normally do however we are in a health system crisis in Canada now and it is impossible to see a doctor. 6 month waiting list to get in to see my doctor. Walkin clinics have long waiting lists and are not walkin anymore, and just refer you to a doctor or specialist with 6-12 month waiting lists, and emergency at the hospital is overbooked with people stacked in hallways, and 20+ hour waiting times for minor issues. It's a nightmare here. Our wonderful healthcare system of years ago has completely fallen apart.

[livid plover]

what the hell

stop taking notes from your neighbours down south

[silver fable]

What? I can walk into a convenient care clinic tomorrow.

[copper notch]

Pinkeye will go away on its own over a few days to weeks, so long as you don't scratch it. The eye drops only soothe it, and the drug treatments only work if it is caused by bacterial infection. If it is viral or caused by other things the eye drops don't do anything.

[tall vapor]

soothing do be helpful though as that stops ya from scratchy

[sudden adder]

same, no issues getting in to see a doctor here in Michigan. Its the issue of "will the doctor actually help me or not?" that is the problem 😄

[silver fable]

Can say that about anywhere. LOL

[copper notch]

We have online virtual clinics too. I called them and they said they couldn't do anything for issues lately and to either book a doctor appointment (6 months) or go to emerg. If you go to emerg without a heart attack or life threatening issue you are deprioritized to the end of the list, and stay there until all other more important issues are dealt with. If any new patients come into emerge even hours after you were admitted, and they have a more important issue, you wait even longer. Average wait time here is like 12-20 hours for non-critical issues, sometimes even more than 24 hours.

[silver fable]

I just go to the grocery store.

[copper notch]

24 hours, they do not bring you food or drink or anything unless you ask for it, and you get almost no attention. They can't wait to get you out of there ASAP once they do see you, and if they test you for things and it is not serious they tell you you have to go see your doctor, which... is 6 months.

So if you have a health issue that is not an absolute emergency, but is important to get it dealt with in less than 6 months, then your only option is Dr. YouTube unless you live somewhere that isn't as friggen terrible as it is where i live.

[silver fable]

but... You have Tim Hortons!!!

and poutine.

[copper notch]

The problem varies in severity across Canada. It is terrible pretty much everywhere, but varying degrees of terribleness. Where I live is beyond crisis point.

[silver fable]

with actual cheese curds...

[copper notch]

YouTube has kept me alive for the last several years fortunately.

[silver fable]

or... unfortunately, depending on if they like you, or not.

I, however, am heading to bed. I think next week I might recover my windows. Maybe... That, or bring the portable AC back to my room so I can melt less.

[copper notch]

Waiting list to get a doctor here if you don't have one is 2.5 years right now, and if you do have one, 6 months to see them.

[tall vapor]

here it's been rather bad abt a year or so ago, but it's getting better once more. Note that said year or so ago we still had one of the best healthcare systems on this planet, mind you. But yeah

[copper notch]

Doctors say they are overburdened and underpaid for the long hours they're being forced to work and 40-60% say they will retire in the next 2 years also.

Lots of people are going to die, there's no way around it. Sucks but it is what it is.

People go to the emerg with serious life threatening symptoms which if they had been checked out when they got there, they could have done something to save their life, but they're left in a room for hours and have a heart attack or stroke and die, because their symptoms did not seem as bad at the moment of assessment than someone else.

When I was a teenager you could go to emerg at the hospital with a sliver in your finger, wait 5 minutes and they remove the sliver and you're done.

now you go there with blood shooting out of your neck and wait 12 hours and die on the floor

[tall vapor]

the UK be falling apart in that regard too, afaik. Whelp, that's what happens ig when yer healthcare sys be dependent on folk from lower income EU countries and then you do the progamer move that's referred to as brexit

[copper notch]

So I've been taking all this seriously and making plans to dramatically change my life priorities and lifestyle and making moves towards doing that. It's challenging and takes time but I figure I gotta put my own health first because the system has failed me and is failing everyone now.

Focusing on trying to fix my sleep conditions, diet and nutrition, and exercise/physical activity. Should have done it a long time ago though.

[amber sparrow]

Wait.....I thought the Canadian health care system was perfect and "free"

[tall vapor]

one of the biggest issues canadian healthcare got from what I've heard is the US, funnily enough

[amber sparrow]

Are their Dr's and nurses leaving Canada to actually make a living?

Because Canada's cost of living is pretty rough from what ive heard

(not that ours is great because it absolutely isnt)

[tall vapor]

tbf I can't really say much bout the across the pond situation from me

or abt the "just off of the coast" situation (UK), for that matter

[civic quarry]

the American health care system is pretty great if you have a job with employer-provided health care, but the outliers from that get screwed.

[tall vapor]

US healthcare is a mobile game, basically

[amber sparrow]

It's 100% ptw

[silver fable]

That reminds me I need to set up my new patient meeting with my massage therapist next week. Also have my chiropractor visit on Wednesday.

[tall vapor]

Livin somewhere in the near-ish border region here in central europe do be fun when it comes to that, too

Got somethin that requires medevac? Well, whichever helicopter that be the closest by atm picks ya up. And here that's a 50/50 chance of it being a german one or an austrian one. Same situation just across the border over in germany, for that matter

just makes sense, ya know

[silver fable]

I read that as German or Australian and had a mental seizure trying to figure out the geography of that.

[tall vapor]

[copper notch]

It's never been perfect, but it used to be pretty good. It's not 100% free but it is mostly free. But it is inconsequential now because it is completely broken now though.

It has been getting worse for the last 15 years but COVID pushed it over the edge and then some. So many doctors and other medical professionals retired from burnout, and the government had cut funding to hospitals and other things as well.

[copper notch]

They used to cover most of the cost of chiropractic visits here also but have reduced that several times over the last 2 decades as well. I don't think they cover it at all now.

[amber sparrow]

It's funny because most of the people I hear raving over how great it is are those that dont actually ever use it

[copper notch]

I think when I had frozen shoulder in 2011 I had to cover half of the cost of chiropractic treatment, but now I think you gotta pay it all.

Our healthcare system turned from great to Trauma Team from Cyberpunk 2077.

[sudden adder]

hell, there was a time when chiropractic was looked down upon by the rest of the medical community

[tall vapor]

just like we don't have the same exact kind of hospital on either side of the border, cause again... that wouldn't make sense. The area that one covers doesn't just suddenly stop just cause there happens to be an imaginary line in the sand

[amber sparrow]

And I live in a major snowbird area. Most of those folks that split time between Canada and here tend to have most of their medical stuff dealt with down here

[copper notch]

Well, it used to be great. And it varies from city to city, province to province across the country. Nova Scotia, Ontario and Quebec have the worst crisis right now IIUC.

[copper notch]

Yeah, in the 1990s it got standardized and accepted for basic treatment. Some of the more esoteric metaphysical etc. elements of the practice are either not done or not covered, or relegated to other uncovered practices.

[tall vapor]

focus those resources on where you actually do need to plant your own specialised hospital down

[copper notch]

They do spinal alignment and similar, and electrical stimulation and a few other things.

[left heart]

Is it not still?

[copper notch]

I learned how to adjust my own spine and joints using yoga so I haven't needed to go to the chiro since 2011 tho.

[tall vapor]

But eh, I guess I'm thinking too logically for what's being discussed here rn

point being: Interconnecting services&such cross-continentally does make sense

interconnecting them in general does

instead of each hospital&clinic&whatever being it's own little zone that got nothin to do with all the others

that's weird

somethin somethin pool them resources 😅

[copper notch]

I read a lot of articles lately about our healthcare crisis and the underlying problems that need to be solved. It's quite a mess. One of the problems is the amount of beurocratic forms doctors have to fill out most of which have duplicated data they have to input by hand, and they have to do it themselves, not the nurse or receptionist or whatever. It eats up a large amount of their time with administrative overhead that can account apparently for up to 40% of their time which is just insane.

[tall vapor]

Uh yeah, that's indeed a mess. One would think that it'd make more sense to use the time that doc got for doc to do doc things

[copper notch]

Another problem is that when doctors refer people to specialists, they are someone they know and use as the specialist for X, Y or Z, but they have no idea what that person's schedule is like or waiting time. There could be some other qualified specialist available that your doctor doesn't even know exists and it is a more or less word of mouth "know ya" system. So people end up waiting way longer for access to specialists than necessary as there is no centralized system keeping track of it all. They want to change that however. They say it will reduce waiting times for specialists down to 1/2 or 1/3.

[tall vapor]

....we've had that system in the 80s already I think.

[copper notch]

Here where I live we have very few specialists, so you not only have to wait a long time, but for an out of town specialist to come to town briefly.

There were a whole bunch of other archaic problems where the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing too but it was hard to pack all in my head.

[tall vapor]

We've got many such issues too still, sure

but like

[copper notch]

The take home from reading like 50 articles was "holy shit, this is f'd... time to get healthy and stay healthy"

[tall vapor]

what

[tall vapor]

so much is complicated by unnecessary bureaucracy&all, it's unbelievable.

[copper notch]

I do think that the whole system will improve massively over time though, and not just in Canada but everywhere. I just think it's going to get worse for 3-5 years or more first, before it improves.

[tall vapor]

Well, at least how well that worked with what we had to work with back then. But yes, issa system provided by the state healthcare sys cause again the state healthcare sys knows what doctors it got&where it got them

[copper notch]

A combination of better organization and methodology, procedures, reducing overhead and red tape, combined with technological innovations will be a big part of improvements in the future. But also people are having greater access to health information and making better choices for themselves too. In 10-15 years I think it will be a brighter picture.

[tall vapor]

Big thing that causes the fact that it'll take time is that there's a whole lot of bureaucracy involved in reducing bureaucracy

[left heart]

ah, we have filthy rich private software companies for that here

[tall vapor]

I think I could request a copy of the software stack for me own use if I wanted to, but honestly idk what I would do with that °J°

[copper notch]

I reversed bad gall stone problem and avoided needing surgery on my own. I reversed a hiatus hernia I had for 20 years. I reversed chronic GERD/acid reflux disease completely. Reversed a few neurological issues also. It took a lot of research and experimentation but without anywhere else to turn it is amazing what we can do if we put our minds to it.

For 10 years I had to sleep sitting straight up, could not lay down. I finally reversed the problem about 2.5 months ago and have slept in a bed for that much time without problems... Life changing.

[terse helm]

so you're from the middle ages

[copper notch]

What do you mean by that?

[terse helm]

that's how people used to sleep

it's why when you go into like an old castle the beds are all like a meter long

[copper notch]

oh. No, I had to sleep sitting up with things propping me up to avoid various bad health symptoms caused by GERD and other issues.

[terse helm]

not because people were shorter (though they were) but because they slept sitting rather than lying down

[tall vapor]

yah cause laying down is what dead people do. And you don't wanna be dead, do you?

[copper notch]

All I got from doctors was a diagnosis and prescription medication that didn't help at all and made it worse.

[karmic tiger]

p much a myth afaik

[copper notch]

But I learned what causes the problem online, watched about 1000 videos, read every scientific article ever written about it, and made some decisions.

2 months later, my GERD completely gone, and no more suffering from that crap.

[terse helm]

I mean I've seen the beds, there's no way anyone but a child would fit lying down

[tall vapor]

I'm sure that some folk slept seated back then, just like they do nowadays. Prolly some well known person back then did it and now it's been blown way out of proportion

[terse helm]

maybe not everyone yeah

[karmic tiger]

except that there are also a whole lot of beds of normal size and a shitton of depiction of people sleeping lying down

[copper notch]

All it took was a few vitamins, 2 supplements and learning some special stomach exercises to retrain and strengthen the muscles of the stomach. It wasn't even difficult.

[terse helm]

it was probably a rich people thing

[karmic tiger]

glad you figured it out 💜

[copper notch]

TUDCA, bile salts, B vitamins, magnesium biglycinate FTW

oh... and betaine hydrochloride

(stomach acid capsules)

totally changed my life over the last year

Nowadays I spend a good chunk of my time with a new hobby, learning as much as possible about nutrition, one nutrient at a time, going wild on science studies, etc.

Which is why I have had poor levels of shader and FX output for the last couple of years. 😛

There is soooo much information out there, but I learned you can't just watch one video or read one article or whatever as there is so much contradictory informatioon too. It takes a lot of work to dig down to the science.

and avoid lots of bad advice, wives tales, bad "common knowledge" and find the facts.

Hope in 10 years this gets sorted out and organized. Or perhaps AI will do it for us. 🙂

[hybrid stream]

Good morning Lets make today great!

[tall vapor]

Didn't discord experiment at some point with havin opendyslexic available as an option? Whelp, can't find it. I'm fine with the default font, but yeah I wanted to test if that would help me with longer paragraphs&such

nope, ain't available on either phone or desktop

which just points out something that I hate once more: Applications getting to choose their own fonts

[tall vapor]

/I/ set /my/ system fonts because those are the fonts that I want for me computer things to use! /I/ set them

[sudden adder]

id like to see Focus Reading / Bionic Reading as an option

[tall vapor]

same way that I hate it when applications don't respect the theme that I set *stares at gnome/GTK4 stuffs and also stares at OBS at the same time; well in obs I can at least change things myself for the most part even if it doesn't just use sys theme *

[copper notch]

What annoys me is having my system set to always use dark mode, and some programs auto configure themselves to default to your system which is nice, but others do not default to system or even support dark mode at all. Particularly annoying when the OS provides a dark mode but also provides various applications and tools that do not implement or honour dark mode.

[tall vapor]

The situation when it comes to dark mode is rather good on the lin side for the most part, but yeah there are still outliers of course

Plasma tries it's best to beat those into submission too, though

[copper notch]

I'm happy that Wikipedia finally introduced dark mode this week though.

[tall vapor]

The only place where I like light mode is on eink displays

The. Only. Place.

[tall vapor]

the biggest example of "can't be beat into submission" is wine stuff, because ofc it is

that stuff ya still /CAN/ beat into submission (at least things like wine provided things ala the file selector&such,but ugh.

wine things still look like this for the most part unless ya change stuff

[tall vapor]

Yeah, that's nice to see. Though it's still in the rollout phase, afaik

[copper notch]

They have a report problem button. I've only found one page with a problem so far since it rolled out.

No need to fill out a report or anything either, just one click "dark mode problem" and done.

[tall vapor]

still not set to "Automatic" by default (ie it still defaults to light no matter what your browser tells it)

and well.... the german wikipedia still got the old overall theme, so nowhere close to dark mode being a thing

[copper notch]

Not having that issue here:

[tall vapor]

did you yourself check the automatic box? or was that selected ootb without you changing it?

[copper notch]

I'm using Firefox on Win10

automatic was default

[tall vapor]

cause here it defaults to light, tried in a private window to make sure

[copper notch]

It's possible your usage is different. I'm using English wikipedia, ou mention you're using german?

[tall vapor]

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:129.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/129.0 on my end

[copper notch]

Ah, perhaps a Linux anomaly

[tall vapor]

no. checking the english one, on the german one dark mode isn't available cause it's still on the old wikipedia theme

[tall vapor]

not really, only if wikipedia be like "windows? lemme set it to automatic"&"Linux? lemme set it to light"

which doesn't make much sense

[copper notch]

I've no idea why you would get a different result than I did, however there is likely something different between your access and my access, and we're running different operating systems, so the user agent reflects that, so it is a possibility that they are doing something OS specific or browser specific and it is not working properly. Just speculation.

It could even be that we're accessing different CDN nodes and they're not 100% synchronized with the same data.

[tall vapor]

when I set the box to automatic myself it does indeed switch to dark mode because me browser tells it to do that

yeah, def more of a geo thing

rather than anythin sys specific

cause that'd be weird, it's literally the same browser configured to do the same thing (request dark mode)

or they're a/b testing, who knows

cause things like that often times do be explained by that

[copper notch]

could try making a new browser profile and visiting the site to see what happens from a pristine browser

[tall vapor]

or just a private window

[copper notch]

private windows may have extensions enabled

[tall vapor]

ah, ye. Didn't think abt me here 😅

but yeah, also defaults to light on a fresh profile

The only plugin I got that /could/ influence that is ubo anyway (on me default profile), so eh

[copper notch]

lemme try it...

Interesting, I got a different result now.

[tall vapor]

Yeah, that's exactly what I got

[copper notch]

I wonder if perhaps they had it one way when I first accessed it, but they decided to change it after that, but since I used it before that it remembers my setup in a cookie

Perhaps it defaulted to automatic and they got complaints as some people's auto switched to dark mode and they didn't like it so they changed the default back to light. Just a thought. It kind of makes sense to default it to light for a while though so people do not get an unexpected change right away. Once they have the whole site more robustly supporting dark mode and out of beta, then it might make sense to change to automatic by default.

[tall vapor]

aye

[vernal current]

So all this news on Intel CPUs and I'm thinking of going AMD

I don't have any knowledge on AMD CPU. What's the equivalent to the i9?

The 7000 series or the 9000?

I read that a new AMD CPU is coming in a few days?

[copper notch]

The Ryzen R9 processors. 7950X, 7950X3D, 7900X, 7900X3D, 7900, or the upcoming Zen 5 9000 series replacements for them launching mid-august.

[vernal current]

I'm confused by the naming. Is the R9 = 7950X?

[copper notch]

16 core 32 thread, and 12 core 24 thread. The X3D models have 3x the L3 cache which is good for gaming and certain other tasks, with slightly lower clocks that slightly decreases performance of non-gaming apps that do not benefit from the extra L3 cache.

AMD's R naming is similar in nature to Intel's i naming. So think i9 = R9, i7 = R7, however these are more or less just bullshit marketing terms for consumers to indicate the processor tier as low (i3/R3), mid (i5/R5), mid-high(i7/R7), and high end (i9/R9). What's more important is the core and thread counts, clock speeds etc.

The x950 chips are all 16 core, and for a given unit if there is no X it is the baseline, if there is an X it is usually clocked slightly higher and about 5% faster'ish. And the X3Ds include the triple L3 cache for gaming. On the 12 and 16-core units the X3D is only on one of the 2 8-core chiplet dies.

[tall vapor]

Also note that AMD doesn't have a heterogeneous setup on desktop. Ie all those 16 cores of a 7950X for example are "P" cores

[copper notch]

Yes, another benefit, no concerns over having multiple core types with different instruction set support or major performance differences.

[vernal current]

After rereading your reply I understood it now

The way it was written was that all of them were part of the same line

[tall vapor]

I mean they are, in a way. the biggest EPYC chips (the biggest one that don't use dense cores, that is) use the same exact chiplets as those found in yer normal desktop cpu 😅

[copper notch]

All of AMD's CPUs are made from the exact same 8-core CPU chiplet. The 8 core chip uses a full 8-core chiplet. The 6-core uses an 8-core chiplet with 2 cores disabled (basically a defective 8-core with 2 cores burnt off to have a functional 6-core unit). The 12 and 16-core chips use 2 8-core chiplets giving 6+6 cores or 8+8 cores.

[tall vapor]

yah, that's it when it comes to the normal desktop chips

[copper notch]

Did you guys see the latest spiel on Intel? Even more defect problems being reported with the chip's ring bus getting damaged.

I really hope Intel figures this out and gets back on track. Maybe Gelsinger has to go, who knows. They need to get their house in order though or we're all screwed into a one-vendor situation, not good for competition or consumers.

[tall vapor]

Yeah yeah, I am aware. The ring blowing itself up is p much what I expected considering the symptomatic, tbf

[copper notch]

In other words Intel needs to make non-suck CPUs so I can keep buying AMD chips cheaper. LOL

[tall vapor]

Yesterday I think they said that they won't be accepting RMAs cause that microcode update supposedly will fix it, lol. No, it won't. It'll only delay the death of the chips that aren't dead already

[copper notch]

They're probably just hoping that the microcode update will delay as many chips from failure until after the warranty expires in order to cut losses.

[tall vapor]

delay it past the point where whomever you bought your computer from doesn't have to give a frig no more, yes

[copper notch]

I suspect the majority of consumers do not download and install BIOS updates though, so they're still going to have a lot of dead chips on their hands.

[tall vapor]

where they can then claim that it's the user's fault for not installing the update

how nice.

[vernal current]

I plan to get my new PC in 10 days

I think it might be better to get AMD

[tall vapor]

then wait to see what the 9000 series will be

no rush to go out and buy now

[amber sparrow]

I'd wait for 9000 yea

[vernal current]

It's not announced?

[amber sparrow]

If anything 7000 prices should drop

[tall vapor]

what? they're launching aug 8th (some chips like the r7 afaik) and the rest aug 15th

[vernal current]

They did not announce the specs yet?

[tall vapor]

or are all of them aug 15th? unsure off of the top of me head, tbf. But yeah

[tall vapor]

they did. Literally months ago

[vernal current]

You said this

[tall vapor]

Yes, what it will be in PRACTICE

[vernal current]

"what the 9000 series will be" as if there is no info on it

[tall vapor]

including pricing&all

[amber sparrow]

Real world reviews and benchmarks

[tall vapor]

yeah

[vernal current]

I see

[tall vapor]

What it will be in practice, exactly

[vernal current]

You could have just said reviews

[amber sparrow]

And even if deadset on prev gen, waiting for release could mean lower monies spent

[tall vapor]

You can't exactly force me to use your brain to write my messages

[copper notch]

Announced but wont be out until Aug 15th, so official independent 3rd party testing wont be out until then either.

[vernal current]

Thanks

[copper notch]

I hope AMD announces when the X3D chips will launch within the next 2 weeks too so people can plan out systems better, depending on whether they want X3D or not.

[tall vapor]

when the x3d ones will come out depends entirely on when the sales for the non x3d start to drop, I'd say

cause thus far they appear to have been using the x3d chips as exactly that. as a mid gen upgrade/refresh

so really.... hope that arrow lake comes out soon&will actualy work&will defeat the non x3d 9000 series chips

[vernal current]

So I'm reading that X3D is for gaming. What's the difference between that and the regular chips?

[copper notch]

Well, the first X3D was unexpected and it was timed more or less based on when they got the tech to work. It was initially planned for Zen 2 and the chiplets were made to take it, but they didn't get it working in that timeframe. With Zen 4 it was already a thing and came out roughly 3 months after Zen 4 did IIRC, so I suspect they will release it within 3 months of Zen 5 this time, and possibly timing it to screw over Intel on Arrow Lake

[copper notch]

I mentioned it above, it has triple the L3 cache, which improves memory performance and latency which benefits applications like games where that is important, however it comes at a slight cost of a small clock speed drop which lowers performance at the same time, but only affects apps that do not benefit from the extra cache. It's a pretty huge boost to gaming and things like software compilation.

They basically sandwich an extra L3 cache chiplet on top of the main CPU die on top of the existing L3 cache, however the extra cache chiplet has twice the memory density, so it holds twice as much, tripling the overall cache.

[vernal current]

Would it help for stuff like Photoshop and video editing?

[copper notch]

I'm not certain but I think the answer is no, would have to look it up though.

[vernal current]

So just get the regular cpu then?

I don't plan to game on it

[copper notch]

The Zen 5 X3D is improved over the last 2 generations also but AMD has been a little terse on giving out too much info. Apparently the clock speed drop is lower than before which is good, and apparently they will allow overclocking of X3D now (it wasn't before). They hinted at other improvements too but we don't know yet.

If you're not gaming then you probably want to get the non-X3D variants. 9950X will end up being the top sku for productivity/creative

[amber sparrow]

Lemme ring Lisa Su direct. Stand by

She sent me to instant ignore 😦

[vernal current]

Yea I'm looking at the 9950x right now

[amber sparrow]

Buy me one too

[copper notch]

<inserts animated GIF of Lisa Su with lasers shooting out of her eyes>

[vernal current]

You were my sugar daddy and then betrayed me

[wise bay]

It's Warchmap's fault.

[copper notch]

I was hoping that they'd release a hybrid 24-core with Zen 5 + Zen 5c, but if they do that it probably wont be until Zen 6 now.

[vernal current]

Thanks for the info guys. I think I'll get the 9950x

[copper notch]

Get a seatbelt for your computer chair for safety purposes. 🙂

[vernal current]

Where I'm going, we don't have seatbelts

[amber sparrow]

Calm down doc brown

[tall vapor]

yeah. This gen they're gonna do zen5+zen5c in mobile to get 12 cores there, seeing that with desktop chips is gonna take us to zen6 at least

for them to want to use the dense cores in desktop they wanna be triple confident that they be hulk on a per core basis still, with some hulk+ cores (ie non dense) thrown into the mix too

[copper notch]

Yeah... Seen that and been a bit confused by it because Zen 5 will be 8 standard cores, and Zen 5c will be 16 cores with half the L3 cache (clocked slightly slower IIRC) in roughly the same physical chiplet size. So if they're combining the two, in the raw that would be 8+16 cores, so if they are only 8+4, what is that, 16-core c dies that had a lot of dead cores so they nuke 12 of them? Seems like the space of the 2 chiplets would be too large for a mobile chip unless they're using different packaging. A little confused about that one.

[tall vapor]

long term goal undoubtedly be for the normal cores to be "halfway to dense" but still reaching the perf that would be expected from full normal, and then smash 16 of them onto a single ccd

[tall vapor]

on mobile iirc for avx512 it's 2x256 too, still

[tall vapor]

mobile zen5 is a monolith. No CCDs there

[copper notch]

I've done a lot of deep thought about when they will shift to 16 core chiplets mainstream, and why, and making sense of it all. I wont go into my 2 hour long explanation or people will pass out, but my speculation is that Zen 7 will be made from 16 core chiplets that become their new standard chiplet, replacing the 8-core ones, and that these will be full L3 cache, not half cache as the current c variants. I speculate that because they'll be on an even smaller process node which will further shrink the existing chiplets enough that they can use full L3 on them and have enough space for it while still fitting it in the existing die size.

[vernal current]

No seatbelts

[tall vapor]

think the main crux there really be the stacking. If they can find a way to stick vcache ontop or under cores.... whelp, you just got much more empty space on yer ccd cause you literally don't have to include l3 on it no more

[copper notch]

Also, the game consoles have 8-year lifespans and are slated for new console releases in the 2028 timeframe, which is around the timeframe for Zen 7, and if you add 8 years to that you get 2036. There is no way a gaming console is going to survive and be relevant and competitive with PC gaming all the way to 2036 with only 8-cores, and Sony is apparently putting 16 cores into the next gen playstation. no idea about Microsoft but they'd be dead in the water if they didn't do the same thing. They could just use the Zen c variants for the consoles, as console CPUs tend to have half the L3 cache compared to desktop anyway. But it wont make sense to use the c variants on desktop CPUs in Zen 7 timeframe.

[tall vapor]

yeah, the consoles will undoubtedly use dense cores. be it playstation 6, xbox whatever, or steamdeck 2

you don't clock those crazy high either, ya know?

[copper notch]

I suspect that they might release their first desktop 16-core full fat chiplets with a split 32+32 cache, which is fine as Zen 2 and older had similar design at half scale, however it would be amazing if they were to make the first 16-core desktop chiplets unified L3 across the entire die as it would doulbe the available L3 for gaming just in the base models, and the X3D variants would triple that and end up with 192MB of L3.

They'll be able to make 12, 8, or any other lower core variants just from 16-core chiplet defects but if they have unified L3, the lower core variants will benefit a lot from that too.

[tall vapor]

I doubt that they wanna go back to 2 banks of L3. How about including half of the l3 of the normal variant on the ccd itself and putting the other half ontop in a vcache manner?

or like 16 on die, another 32 ontop

sth like that

[copper notch]

Well, it really is a matter of the yields they get. That is why Zen, Zen+, Zen 2 had 4+4 design, to get higher yields. But the fab node had great yields before Zen 3 went in, so they unified the cache and ditched the 4-core model variants.

The thing is, with the 16-core c variant, they already have half the cache and it is split, and Zen 5 will be the 2nd generation of that, so by the time the 3rd generation comes around there's a good chance they'll have got it solid, and if the node they're using is really great with yields I can see them unifying the L3 there too. That will be particularly good for enabling games to go beyond 8 cores without any negatives.

And that is why I suspect they'll get a unified design by then for the consoles as well, because the c variants have split cache so there would be some memory latency issues on consoles with that, however... it would probably be less of a performance hit than Zen 2's split cache which the consoles already use.

And it would perform better in gaming than the 8+8 designs do now if a game crosses chiplets, as inter chiplet latency is higher than cross CCX

They will probably stack core dies at some point in the future, but I believe the higher cost of doing that and getting it right, cooling it, will require lower clock speeds and be more expensive and be relegated to EPYC and not consumer.

[tall vapor]

reducing inter chiplet penalty also be on the menu, I mean we saw an early snapshot of that with navi31

[copper notch]

I do wonder how BPD will open up other possibilities in the future CPU designs too though.

[tall vapor]

bpd?

[copper notch]

Either Zen 5 or 6 (I forget) is supposed to reduce inter-chiplet latency IIRC due to some change with the interposer or something

BPD = backside power delivery

[tall vapor]

aaaahhh, right

[copper notch]

Which for the uninitiated is NOT sticking a power cord up yer butt LOL

[tall vapor]

yeah. The stuffs of what we've seen an early snapshot of with navi31

that's zen6 me thinks

cause zen5 still uses the same IOD as zen4, too

[copper notch]

I watched a bunch of videos 2-3 months ago about it but forget which chip is likely to get it. Saw another one on Intel's BPD also. It's all a really cool idea that should be a big boost for CPU arch.

[tall vapor]

so the package as a whole likely be p much the same as zen4, but they slapped new zen5 CCDs onto it

[copper notch]

Although Intel's will probably be called BPF...

(backside power failure) LOL

[tall vapor]

I mean they gotta pump those 1.57V into the CPU somehow, no?

[copper notch]

Man, I just ate a massive slab of salmon. I intended to just have one 6-8oz piece, but ended up eating the whole thing it was so good LOL

[tall vapor]

thou hath nommed

[copper notch]

I do think that by the time we get to Zen 7 things are going to get super interesting on desktop for power user geeks like us.

[tall vapor]

yah, I'm still sticking with zen2 (me 3700x) for now cause I don't want no incremental upgrade, I want my 16c ryzen 7

[copper notch]

In addition to the 16-core chiplets I predict based on the above, I think it will be a natural point for them to increase core counts if they haven't done a 24-core Zen 6 interim by then. It'd make sense to have 32 core desktop models by then, which a lot of people want and could use now. Although there is one major concern that I have with that which I think will need to be addressed at least for many use cases of that many cores.

They need to pop out a motherboard chipset that can do quad (or higher) memory channel for consumer desktop motherboards, and bump up the max RAM amount as well. No sense having extra cores if they all choke at the door trying to get into the building.

[tall vapor]

The end of dual channel (or when it comes to ddr5 quad) channel ram, aye. We just gotta feed those goddamn cores and ddr generations aren't keeping up

[copper notch]

DDR6 era perhaps

AM6

PCIE6... alll the sixesses

[tall vapor]

yeah but it's still gonna be incremental on a per 32bit channel basis over ddr5

but I mean hey, maybe (likely not) actual ECC will be standard by then

[copper notch]

Then NVIDIA needs to release 6000 series, with an RTX 6666

I doubt it, companies don't want to spend an extra millicent on memory if they can get consumers to buy it without. 🙂

[tall vapor]

🙃

[copper notch]

A random computer reboot every now and then is acceptable to corporations as having an acceptable maximum amount of mouse fur in potato chips.

[tall vapor]

yeah whelp, I mean at least unofficial actual ECC support hopefully will have matured even more by that point

[copper notch]

And by ECC support do you mean a motherboard that says it supports ECC, but it doesn't actually work at all, like most boards now? Or actual working ECC support that you know, actually works? 🙂

[tall vapor]

the latter yes, with stuffs actually being reported and me kernel letting me know that something happened when it did

[copper notch]

I'd be willing to pay an extra say... 10-20% for ECC RAM, as I believe that's about how much it costs extra to produce, but if they charge much more than that I'd probably pass.

maybe up to 30% for the extra benefit on top of cost.

Haven't checked ECC prices in ages to compare with non though

[tall vapor]

normal windows still doesn't have ecc support with the whole edac hooked up, no?

that requires the "workstation" upgrade

[copper notch]

dunno. I used to use ECC in Linux years ago tho

oh you mean Home edition versus Pro or whatever?

[tall vapor]

yah idc abt what windows does either

[copper notch]

I use Pro on everything, except my laptop which came with Home

[tall vapor]

with win 10 there was 10 for workstations, an upgrade that ya had to buy from the ms store

[copper notch]

ah, don't think I heard of that one

[tall vapor]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/business/windows-11-pro-workstations

yah, still a thing with 11

lel

[copper notch]

Ugh, you just reminded me... I'm going to have to involuntarily switch to Windows 11 on the new PC in the future. Ugh ugh

[tall vapor]

11 pro for ws apparently only adds refs for the most part

can't find much info unfortunately

[copper notch]

I'm low key hoping they actually make a Windows 12 and release it before then as per past rumours that were debunked

I've avoided all of the Windows ugly duckling releases to date.

[tall vapor]

ah, pro for ws also be the one that got a scheduler that doesn't act too ridiculous when ya toss a higher core count threadripper at it

[copper notch]

ME+Vista+8+11

[tall vapor]

you think 12 isn't gonna be even worse?

[copper notch]

No, but I try hard to lie to myself that it will be better and more pro-consumer.

[tall vapor]

[copper notch]

But IIRC Windows 11 will be needed for Zen 5. I think I read or heard that somewhere. I'm sure someone will figure out how to run it on Windows 10 too but it's kind of pointless considering W10's EOL

[tall vapor]

win 11 was needed for newer hardware for quite some time by now

practically there were ways around it, sure

but yeah

Either way, Cookie shall continue to chill with her 🐧 systems

where me thinkpad from 2011 is fully supported, just like a dual socket epyc from today is

[copper notch]

I haven't fired up any ancient systems in a while. Before the end of the year I want to fire up my old FX8350 with an X700. Should be fun times.

I'll be stuck with safe mode video driver tho as Windows didn't have a driver for that card. Should be good enough to recover files n stuff tho.

[opaque halo]

Why not just pull the drive and move it to another computer or use an exteranal dock?

[tall vapor]

oh my, that card was already old as frig when the first fx cpu dropped

[copper notch]

yup, it's the only PCIE GPU I have though aside from my 6700XT

[tall vapor]

me "slot it in to get video output" card is a r7 260x. Still fully supported on the lin side of things obv, but win? unsure

[copper notch]

I've got like 50-60 AGP GPUs and a dozen or more PCI ones, but only 5 PCIE ones, a dead X700, a working X700, 2 dead HD7850s, and my 6700XT

I could try repasting some of them in a pinch too tho

[tall vapor]

the hd7870 I had I sold during the 2017 mining craze if I remember correctly

[copper notch]

I've never sold hardware, just toss it in the basement LOL But once I go on a housecleaning binge in the basement I'm gathering all the old stuff together that I don't want, going on a week or two fun hobby binge to set up old retro hardware and test it all to make sure it works, then selling it on Ebay.

Super low prio, but should be a fun time. Will be nice to get rid of all that hardware and get it a new home to someone who is into retro stuff.

[tall vapor]

hey look, that by that point already old af hd7870 paid for a 1060-6

[copper notch]

I've got some real gems too.

Got a couple NVIDIA Quadros, a FireGL X1 256p, and 3 FireGL 8800s, and one or more of every 3Dfx card

[tall vapor]

and that 1060-6 went on to be me only ever nv card, lel

[copper notch]

I want to build an XP machine, and find ancient GPU testing software and test them all including VRAM tho so anything that is not working right either goes in the garbage or perhaps list it as "not working" for parts or whatever.

I know I have a few dead GPUs.

[tall vapor]

which I then sold in 2019 cause I was sick of it and really didn't wanna keep it either, and grabbed me the 5700xt which I to this day still got as me daily driver&will have for many years to come

[copper notch]

Only time I had high end GPUs was when I got them from work back in the day, that's where my entire collection comes from more or less. I've always bought GPUs that were at the peak of the bell curve of value:$$$ historically. Been wanting to get a high end GPU for many years now but the whole COVID and crypto thing and the last gen of hardware all were poor value so I dipped down to holdover.

Depending on pricing, availability and other factors I might spring for one this time around though, as I have a high and rising interest in both using and developing AI applications.

[tall vapor]

I have come to the conclusion that highend cards are way too expensive anyway AND I don't do things that would require em either

combine that with the "oh yeah of course it's still fully supported, no worries there" that ya get with amd cards on lin... yeah well

[copper notch]

I technically don't need one as far as gaming and many other things are concerned, but a higher end card would provide a lot of benefits for various things I do for sure, and when I incorporate AI into the mix, it is all about the VRAM there. AI runs so friggen slow on my laptop. I mean it works and I'm grateful for that, but damn it's slow.

[tall vapor]

that hd7870 that I had back in the day is compatible with the fully u2d driver stack that also runs an rx7990xtx

[copper notch]

I get 1 to 2.9 tokens per second out of LLMs. Stable Diffusion and similar take 30-60s to generate images which is actually ok with me but it'd be nice to see it do 60 images PER second. 🙂

And now the new models like Llama 3.1 have RAG and network capabilities that would be so friggen useful. Not sure if I can get that to even work or not.

[tall vapor]

[copper notch]

Waiting on release of a private beta to test that out, hopefully this next week.

[full fern]

Gawd I need more coffee. LOL Morning y'all!

[copper notch]

g'mornfternoonvening

[full fern]

Yes, that thing exactly! Good all of that to you as well

[copper notch]

;P

[full fern]

Weather is finally non-blazing, I get to chainsaw for the first time this year. Got my bright orange gear on. Chainsaw go brrrrrrrrrr

[uneven sluice]

Had two people come chat right at the very end of my stream. Got two follows. Then one person started asking rapidfire questions about whether I'd like to see their panel and twitch overlay/screen designs

To "give a review"

It's funny seeing those kinds of things in Twitch too, not just Discord

[full fern]

Ugh, solicitors. At least they gave you a view

[uneven sluice]

Yep, I won't complain

[full fern]

haha, same

[uneven sluice]

Gained another follow at random. Weird

I guess I won't complain

[livid plover]

[brave oyster]

can anyone help me on how to change the timeline size in davinci resolve?

[prisma dove]

What do you mean by timeline size?

[brave oyster]

Like how big it is

So if one centimeter is equal to 5 or 10 minutes

I don't really know how to explain it

[prisma dove]

There's a slider that controls the scale

[brave oyster]

Where?

[prisma dove]

be patient, I'll get you a screenshot. It's not like I have Resolve running 24/7

[brave oyster]

No it's fine I can do it later

Thanks for the help

[prisma dove]

This slider

and the three controls to the left control the zoom of the timeline.

[brave oyster]

Thank you that was quick

Idk how I missed gat slider

I guess I thought it would be more advanced

[prisma dove]

no need to be more advanced.

[terse helm]

you can also scroll with a modifier

I forget which one

(alt, ctrl, shift)

[topaz crest]

hey

[hybrid stream]

[tough heron]

im new

[round wren]

how do i get help

[karmic tiger]

do what the bot told you to do

[round wren]

i was told to resend my obs log and i did

[civic quarry]

[urban wagon]

wait olympic use OBS for their streaming?

[urban wagon]

bruh

[copper notch]

Trademark lawsuit! More funding for OBS project!

[livid plover]

it uh, predates OBS Classic by 11 years, i'm not sure there's much to gain

[copper notch]

Um, ok don't say anything in that case. LOL

[sterile flower]

whar

[calm lodge]

which channel would i go to ask questions about alerts etc

[full fern]

!s #stream-setup if you are asking about getting started.

Or for troubleshooting, go to the support channel that matches your operating system

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[copper notch]

Makin some nice big 250g beef patties for breakfast... Friggen starvin

[opaque halo]

1/2 lb burgers. Pretty decent sized

[amber sparrow]

Speaking of. Just watched Bobby Flay make some on tiktok. That man can make a mean burger

[copper notch]

Had 2 of em, good times.

[sterile flower]

Stop making me hungry when I've just had dinner aaaaaaaa

[opaque halo]

I'm sure this won't help. Last night's dinner. Stuffed jalapeños and chicken. Chicken was shredded for burritos

[copper notch]

nice!

[calm lodge]

does anyone know how to use wix?

[sudden adder]

what is "wix"? @calm lodge

[bold glen]

Website builder in the cloud

Like squarespace.

[sudden adder]

gotcha

thanks 🙂

[amber sparrow]

Accused server of being "trendy" for the icon, probably not realizing it's been an annual thing longer than they've even been on discord(at least according to this specific acct)

And most def not realizing that core contributors, current and past, are members of the lgbtq+ community, so having pride in that is pretty effing important

And 1000% not realizing the hate that comes through here each amd every year when that pride is recognized

So yea, your "I have gay friends" comment holds very little weight

Especially with your continued attitude

Not sure having the server icon with a rainbow constitutes "carnaval"

Thought you were leaving....

[full fern]

Yes, please leave. You've been JAQing off here for awhile, and now you're being outright bigoted.

[amber sparrow]

They gone

Hope the door doesn't hit em

[full fern]

I hope it does and it hurts

[amber sparrow]

It's such a bigot tagline too "but I have gay friends". Love that one

[full fern]

Those people's freaking oppression fetish is so weird.

"I'm gonna be killed for thought crime wah wah wah"

[amber sparrow]

Interesting. Were they banned?

Posts from 7 days ago still in server. Wonder if mod slapped and only did last 24/48h

[tall vapor]

awh seems like I missed it

[amber sparrow]

Didn't miss much. It's rarely an even worth attending

"Silly gays have to have parades and shit" was the basic message

[tall vapor]

yeah I know, but the pathetic-ness still cracks me up for some reason

[full fern]

I wanted to see how it started, here's my search.

Of course it was "Why icon still?" as though we would believe it was an innocent freaking question.

[amber sparrow]

PoC have equal rights, so I guess we no longer need black history month because racism is no longer a thing

[full fern]

And then the long stupid rant he posted. It was pretty gross so I won't share it.

[tall vapor]

why is my 80s home computer gay?

[copper notch]

It's kind of funny how our modern computers have more L1 cache memory than the Commodore 64 had total system memory.

[full fern]

Rainbows used to be an innocent symbol of Gawd's love and the time he genocided the entire earth but now people made it gay sob

[tall vapor]

those DIY upgrades for old home computers that be built around a raspberry pi or something also be v funny

that pi is like indefinitely faster than the system it's built into, and then it's only used for drive emulation&such

[sterile flower]

The wokes have got to my ZX Spectrum as well!

/j

[sterile flower]

Oh noes! Not the gay!!!

[smoky rapids]

When you go to type someone's name in another random server and @jaunty fulcrum pops up in autocomplete

[terse helm]

some more stuff happened to that spectrum

[jaunty fulcrum]

I do be in 100 servers.

[smoky rapids]

To an extent it's a reasonable one to be in for support reasons: MultiMC.

[tall vapor]

they got to apple, too 😔

[sudden adder]

Even before that

[left heart]

even outer space!

[jaunty fulcrum]

ah well, I've been a MultiMC user for ages

[terse helm]

that original iMac was such a huge gamble for apple

my office had a bunch of the grey ones back then that were slightly better

[tall vapor]

which is weird, I mean it was like an updated version of the original Macintosh if ya think abt it

but ig apple as a whole wasn't exactly doing great back then

[terse helm]

yeah that iMac is what got them back

but besides the appearance that was also the first Mac to have USB

and iirc that was instead of ADB which is what Macs used until then to connect mice and keyboards

and they didn't have serial ports and shit like that

[tall vapor]

yah

"where tf are me ports?!" isn't exactly a new thing

[terse helm]

indeed

that thing is what almost 30 years old now?

[terse helm]

though this being pre-wifi and pre-broadband for most, they did have a modem built-in still

which tbf is what most people used their serial ports for anyway besides printers, for which there was now usb

[tall vapor]

serial? Printers? Wasn't that like mostly a thing with them receipt printers&such rather than fullsize?

[terse helm]

not back then no

[tall vapor]

I mean yeah, serial printers were a thing obv

[terse helm]

on macs pre-usb most printers were serial

(or networked)

[tall vapor]

but I thought that by that point they operated via parallel for the most part, ig

ah, right

mac

[terse helm]

PCs had parallel printers yeah

RS-485 I wanna say?

oh RS-422

[tall vapor]

485 is something that ya just don't see in home use, ye

[silver fable]

Neither of those two was the parallel port.

[tall vapor]

them mac printers were rs422, cause ye that was a minidin esque connector most commonly

[tall vapor]

well yeah.

[terse helm]

no, the mac serial port was

[silver fable]

Oh, copy that.

[tall vapor]

and like, with the parallel port: Them 3 connection modes were like entirely seperate protocols&all that just happened to run via the same connector

[silver fable]

PP, ECP, and EPP

[tall vapor]

aye

PP, EPP&ECP if ya put them in order from slowest&oldest to fastest&newest

[proper valve]

How's it going?

[full fern]

Good! Had a mellow day listening to old songs. Got to start it by the fireplace too, was pretty chilly.

How are you doing?

[cunning cloud]

why was my message deleted 💀
-# canary This account is owned by the Unofficial Discord Modding Association. (UDMA).

[still turret]

Because I'm not amused by the shitpost in your message.

Don't do that here.

[carmine ibex]

https://www.rtings.com/research/thin-lcd-tvs-break-faster-under-prolonged-use
the manufacturer statements are
still, FALD produces a higher quality image.. sad it came to this in an effort to make TVs even thinner

lol

[marsh helm]

lol

its soo thin its breaking under physics

probably just the damn gravity

[carmine ibex]

HDR PNG viewed in SDR in browser versus viewed in SKIV
the tone mapping is... something for sure
it also cannot be viewed remotely properly in HDR.. it maps the brightness from 800 nits to 450, due to using SDR content brightness setting

oh, it's actually better in Firefox this time

when viewed in SDR versus Edge...

the cropped screenshot I sent was how it viewed in Edge

[sterile flower]

OH NOES THE WOKE COMPUPERS

[sudden adder]

Technically it always was, under the right viewing conditions 🙂

[wise bay]

Wondering what the logo and banner on the OBS Community server are? They are the LGBTQ+ Pride flag, showing our support for Pride Month! For more information, click here

[terse helm]

some people are a bit trigger-happy with the commands

forgive them

[civic quarry]

RIP Roccat

This merge I feel wont go well

[little urchin]

Hello! Looking for a moderator for the discord server, if possible. Getting some extremely questionable DMs from someone I share only-this-server with.

[wise bay]

If you were messaged by a user who you suspect may be malicious, scamming, a bot, etc, we recommend reporting these users to the Discord Trust and Safety team so that they can be addressed appropriately. We strongly encourage users to be mindful of DMs they receive from users who are in any public Discord server.

Please report any suspicious private messages to Discord, either by using the Report Spam button in a DM, or by reporting it directly to Discord Trust and Safety

[little urchin]

^ Just for added context, I've already done this, but it's likely something he's doing to others as well and I don't think you'd want that behavior in this space. Non urgent as I've now got him blocked, but just wanted to have a chance to pass it off to y'all.

[sudden adder]

weird analogy for "Advanced Mode vs Simple Mode"

Imagine buying a house, and one of the rooms is filled with NOTHING but light switches, knobs, dials, etc. They are all set differently, positioned at odd angles. You dont know what 99% of them do.

Do you...

A) Go thru them one by one, learning what each one does and how they interact with each other.

B) call home repair folks to rip all of that crap out and replace it with the Basic (Simple) utilities

[civic quarry]

Do not ask me how I am able to use Unreal Engine on my Integrated Graphics, I just have this dumb thing that makes things just work

I cannot through Human science explain how

[amber sparrow]

Option A til I rage burn the house down

[sudden adder]

nice thing with Option B, is that the Home Repair folks probably know what 85% of that stuff does, knows 50% of that shouldnt be used, especially that bespoke light switch level in the corner that looks like a fork in an outlet.

[jaunty fulcrum]

I ask for the original wiring diagram and learn the switches. But I'm crazy.

[sudden adder]

now i kinda want to 3d print a fork in an outlet, but is just a light switch plate

loving the things folks have designed

[stable forge]

I'mma ask copilot for the most ridiculous lightswitch design

oK

WOINS!!!

[stable forge]

LMAO

[sudden adder]

MORE

[stable forge]

Fuck I'd actually use that here, that looks so dope

A bit of paint and voila

S T E A M P U N K

[sudden adder]

im in the process of designing a Lack-Table based enclosure tower for my Ender 3 v2 printer. Just found this very over-designed (visually) switch box. Imma gonna use it 😄

[stable forge]

I'm still trying to come up with reasons to justify purchasing one at work

[sudden adder]

the $100 i paid for the printer itself was more than justification for me. Very good entry price

[civic quarry]

Yall are having too much fun with 3D printing

[stable forge]

How overkill would a Bambu Lab X1 Carbon be

It's hard to imagine what it can do more compared to an Ender

[sudden adder]

$100 vs $1500

yeah, hard to imagine 😄

[stable forge]

Yeah haven't really searched for a comparison, too busy on other stuff right now but I know that model's name for some reason

In my eyes, they both print, they both print with different materials, one has an enclosure, probably faster too

But...What else

[sudden adder]

one can handle switching between multiple filaments automatically, the other has to be handled manually

probably has auto-leveling too, vs manually leveling the bed

the tower im working on, at its most basic, is just a bunch of Ikea "Lack" tables stacked and connected to eachother

[stable forge]

Looks cool! What color are you going with

[sudden adder]

not sure yet, havent started cleaning up the legs yet (they still have mounting holes from when I used them as rack mounts for audio gear)

i know i want the inside panels, when they are not clear acrylic, to be white. it will help with lighting inside of it, especially since i will have my webcam mounted to the gantry bar

we have a lot of dust and particulate where i live, lot of it plant based, and i have 3 cats.

The enclosure will mitigate that via fans and filters.

[stable forge]

I was thinking about getting an air filter for the office

[hearty stirrup]

lack tables are hilarious

I can't remember if they're square or rectangle, but if they're rectangle, one orientation of them matches up with sound/server rack spacing

[tall vapor]

there's only so much space on the market for meh/10 peripherals 😅

[tall vapor]

the square ones that used to cost like 7 bucks or somethin a pop can also be used for rack stuffs, aye. square for normal rack stuffs, rectangular if ya need more depth for servers&all

[sudden adder]

square, ive had components mounted multiple sides

[tall vapor]

tho ya gotta be careful cause them legs be mostly hollow. So putting some brackets in the back to secure that stuffs better is advisable

https://wiki.eth0.nl/index.php/LackRack here, some documentation on the usage of a LackRack

[sudden adder]

yep, these tables have gone thru a few iterations over the past decade with my setup

[hearty stirrup]

people in r/homelab have used them to keep networking gear and servers under control

[calm lodge]

i hate when ppl say that

[civic quarry]

Should I be trusting Twitch's own Ingest detection Website with this information?

[terse helm]

why wouldn't you

[prisma dove]

I trust twitch more than the general audience on Twitch.

[karmic tiger]

you can set it to auto that way it basically "runs" this everytime to choose the one

[civic quarry]

For my use case, I am attempting to hook this up to the multi-rtmp plugin as I am planning on multi-streaming to Twitch if I do CrowdControl sessions with a friend

[karmic tiger]

so, actually, there is an url that will allow you to basically do the auto in multirtmp, gimme 5 to do some archeology and find it

[civic quarry]

No problem

This is what I got so far

[karmic tiger]

try rtmp://live.twitch.tv/app/

[civic quarry]

Alright, lemme give it a whirl

Yep, that works. Lemme do some fire testing to ensure all is good

yep, thats a smooth process

[karmic tiger]

[acoustic chasm]

sup

[drowsy mason]

I was recently thinking about how you might rebrand the Advanced / Simple modes to more readily communicate the benefits vs trade-offs. Maybe "Smart" (as in "smartphone") and "Dumb" (as in "dumbphone"). Since "Simple" is more automagic and does stuff right for you, whereas "Advanced" is you have to do it all yourself and it's kind of clunky.

But that "smart/dumb" seems too loaded with value judgments. Besides, maybe it will be too abstract of logic for people to follow. So maybe "Automatic" vs "Manual"? Hmm, no, people will want to do "Manual" because "it's better". And you still have to set some things manually in Simple.

What about... "Advanced" as the new name for the default tab, because it does everything for you, and "Simple" for the other tab, because it does nothing automagically, and you have to tell it everything you want it to do (it doesn't know and won't guess for you)! Maybe this will make more people use the default tab!!!

[terse helm]

I think it should be Normal vs Manual mode

alternatively, Chad vs Nerd mode

[drowsy mason]

In your analogy: I actually have "both rooms" installed in this hypothetical mansion (both tabs can be clicked any time in OBS). I bounced between "rooms" as-needed. I started in Advanced because "I am a codec nerd, I researched this stuff." I hung around here more and realized there was more to it that I didn't know and Simple was more best-practices than my first instincts.

Eventually I got less sure, and needed more info about how the "Simple" room worked, so I looked up the wiring diagrams the installers left behind (source code of OBS) and now I understand how they are similar and how they're not. I still don't fully know what I'm doing, but I know what I am selecting in the "Simple" room at least. (More than the labels on the switches and knobs explain it directly.)

"Already good" vs "git gud" tab (although I mean that sarcastically and people will take it literally, so no)

"Best Practices" mode / "Tweaker" mode

"Normal" mode / "I just need this one thing" mode

[left heart]

I say take hints from gaming device marketing: "Optimized" vs "Unoptimized"

[prisma dove]

I'm partial to an automobile's transmission: Automatic vs. Manual

[left heart]

meanwhile, none of the browsers I have can even display a color chart correctly

[civic quarry]

@amber sparrow today is finally the day I call you out on referring to things you are guessing at as "smelling" them

[left heart]

the nose knows

[amber sparrow]

Listen. I smell things well. Eat me

Ever since I quit smoking, sense of smell went way up

So did taste

[left heart]

hooray! and congrats

[civic quarry]

meanwhile I have had 2 packs of cigarettes this year, a new high for me 😄

[amber sparrow]

👀

I USED to be 2 packs a day

It was bad. Real bad

[civic quarry]

I am a "have a few drinks out at a music festival and buy a pack" kind of smoker, which is normally limited to once or twice a year

[sudden adder]

Congrats. How long ago was it again?

[amber sparrow]

Coming up on 2 years or so in Dec I believe

[amber sparrow]

I'm a social smoker now. I've had maybe a packs worth this year in socially white girl wasted scenarios

And there have been 3 or 4 of those this year

So I think I've done very well. Don't have the urge to buy a pack or anything. Just enjoy 1 or 2 with friends

[sudden adder]

Very nice. Im at the start of year 5, after having smoked for about 20 years

[amber sparrow]

Congrats dude!!! That is a feat!

[civic quarry]

yup, mostly everything is okay in moderation.

[sudden adder]

“Everything in moderation, including moderation” - a Wilde Oscar appears

[sterile flower]

I have appeared

[full fern]

🎉 TA-DAAAAA!

[sterile flower]

Who hath summoned me

[sudden adder]

lol

[sterile flower]

HELP

(Celsius)

[sudden adder]

get used to some cold showers

[sterile flower]

But I'm a warm shower enjoyer 😭

[sudden adder]

heat is the enemy right now, dont conspire with the enemy

😄

[sterile flower]

Good point

AC at 5°C go brrrrr

[left heart]

if you want the middle eastern secret, hot tea cools you down better than cold drinks do

[livid plover]

Would have to broil yourself to get a warmer shower than ambient temps

[tall vapor]

body tries to heat up the cold drink for it to be at body temp, but overcompensates while doing so

body be silly

[sudden adder]

it also has a lot to do with the body sweating

[sterile flower]

Body do be silly

[left heart]

yeah evaporative cooling works wonders

[sudden adder]

better for dry heat conditions than humid

[sterile flower]

It dry here in Mallorca

[tall vapor]

it's way too humid here already, really don't need any extra humidity

[amber sparrow]

I remember being in Utah in August. 115°F. And I didn't sweat a drop

[left heart]

oh you definitely did lol, just didn't notice it

[amber sparrow]

My skin literally felt like it was cooking

[sudden adder]

its 73% humidity in my kitchen right now. Bed room where the AC/Dehumidifier is running, its about 40%

[left heart]

that type of heat dehydrates you so fast, it's crazy

[amber sparrow]

Heh. My house stays around 32% throughout

[left heart]

scary, even.

[sterile flower]

For apex predators we really are unadapted to extreme heat or cold

Evolution-wise

[opaque halo]

nah - we've just grown too accustom to modern conviences

[sterile flower]

Ah yeah

[opaque halo]

or at least some of us 🙂

[full fern]

We should try cave life again to help with the heat

[tall vapor]

I mean the apex that we are is apex brained, really. Evolved to deal with whatever shortcomings our flesh has using that brain thingie

We don't exactly have good claws, but we can make spear. We don't exactly have the best fur or whatever... but we can make clothes. We aren't the best at getting nutrients out of our food.... but we can cook

[sterile flower]

transcend the feeble flesh, force our husk to march onwards

[tall vapor]

No wings? Invent airplane

you get the point

[sterile flower]

Ye

[sterile flower]

I watch a little too much BurialGoods if you can't tell :3

[opaque halo]

Good - you have made up for the none I've watched 😆

[copper notch]

I'm about to start watching it right now. 🙂

[jaunty sphinx]

98.6?

how about heat index of 115

gonna be 103 without index thursday for me

[hearty stirrup]

toasty

[jaunty fulcrum]

meanwhile it's actually sunny here this week (Celsius)

[civic quarry]

Weird summer...

[civic quarry]

too cool

[silver fable]

No such thing

[civic quarry]

Just cleaned my pc.
I am sweating like hell

Room temperature be like 33c

[sterile flower]

Average British heatwave

[amber sparrow]

Did ya like it?

[stuck canopy]

hi, guys

🙂

[cunning pine]

sup

[low ether]

I honestly thought that aircooling is dead, since CPUs run so hot that liquid cooling is the only thing that can keep a modern CPU under control.

[cunning pine]

bruh, modern CPU's don't run any hotter than like 4th gen Intel did

and those things ran hot asf

[tall vapor]

Why still eepy?

[cunning pine]

diet?

[tall vapor]

nah, temps most likely

[cunning pine]

exercise?

[tall vapor]

that weather makes me eepy

[cunning pine]

muggy?

[tall vapor]

yah

😔

[cunning pine]

you got AC? or just an open window and a fan?

might be time to take a cold shower

[tall vapor]

only got the latter

[low ether]

I mean, I got a 7950x for my new computer. I have a 240mm AIO for it. But I don't really think it's adequate for it.

[tall vapor]

If I do that me body will try to compensate and as a result I'd be even hotter

Body be like "Oh I'm freezing, need to do sth abt that"

[cunning pine]

probably just fine. your CPU doesn't HAVE to run at 55c the whole time under load lol. they are meant to run hot, all you have to do with cooling is just make sure it doesn't get TOO hot.

As long as your idle is like 70ish at most and under load it's not higher than 90 you're fine

if temps are lower than that your AiO is doing it's job

[tall vapor]

modern CPUs p much work like modern graphics cards, in that regard. It sees thermal headroom, and there aren't any other limits it's close to hitting? Well then, let's go boost

[low ether]

I think my load is around 80 at most. I pretty much panic when it gets above 70. Idle is around 38.

[cunning pine]

yeah your idle is fantastic

[low ether]

I'm amazed at how clean my system is. I haven't been cleaning the dust filters like I ought to, but I've at least been keeping up with the quarterly full-system cleaning. But the only parts that are accumulating dust are the fans and AIOs. My old computer collected dust on everything.

[cunning pine]

and load is perfectly fine

[low ether]

Man, hearing about what's been happening to the Intel chips, I really pity the folks who chose that.

[cunning pine]

seems like it's only the two generations which are basically the same generation just one is like a refresh.
AMD has had it's own issues before as well though.

[civic quarry]

Maybe AIO cooling solution is better for my processor Ryzen 7800x3D.

but for some reason i just went with Noctua Air Cooling :/ .

Air cooling is absolutely fine for me as long as room temp is cool and if cool air blows into the case or else its gonna be hot :(

Even AIO cooler cant help anyway so i just went with Air cooler + AC in my room.

[left heart]

watts are watts, unless you're going to get into delidding shenanigans, whatever heat load the cooler can handle at the cold plate is your functional limit

doesn't matter if it's a 7950x or a resistive heater underneath

[amber sparrow]

What if it's deez underneath

[left heart]

how hot are deez?

[opaque halo]

then you'd probably sit on 'em

[amber sparrow]

Unfortunately gravity continues to take its toll

[opaque halo]

story of my current old life.

[left heart]

speaking of watts, internet rumor mill has the next gen nvidia gpus drawing even more power than this gen through the 12vhpwr connector

kinda crazy

[left heart]

I toyed with the idea of trying to make a beefier DC electronic load than the one I've got to test those connectors to their limits

but each of those mosfets would be $35 alone

[sterile flower]

Can we please just get games running well on current gen GPUs before devs make games that run even worse on the newer GPUs?

[left heart]

eh, the hardware engineers will make whatever they want

it's not up to them how poorly I write my software

[sterile flower]

And the software engineers will [207 GB]

(+94 GB update 2 days later)

[left heart]

I mean that doesn't really have much to do with part power consumption

the silliness going on there is pretty independent

[wary holly]

But they already do, 15 years ago 720p30 was considered high definition and a playable frame rate.

[tall vapor]

consoles often times didn't even do 720p per se, game rendered at a lower res than that but was upscaled

[jaunty fulcrum]

Which is one of the reasons the Xbox backwards compatibility implementation is so wild and cool

[copper notch]

Even in the 1990s I have never once thought that 30fps was a playable framerate. I did think "this is better than nothing I guess kind of sort of" but I wouldn't have characterized it as playable, more sufferable. 🙂

I considered 60fps to be playable, and 75+ to be decent. Although it depended on the game too. Games with less motion/scrolling etc. lower frame rates are more tolerable.

Different people have different tolerances for frame rates too though.

[left heart]

Tennis for Two or bust

[hearty stirrup]

turn based games, fps below 60 is more forgiveable

[silver fable]

Original Doom was capped at 35 fps, I believe? I didn't get to play Doom on the PC I had at the time, really. Had to make it postage stamped size, and run in low detail on my 386sx16. Even paid a fortune to upgrade the RAM to 4 Mb. :/

[copper notch]

Don't remember, but there were a number of games that capped at 30fps or similar which was pretty lameass.

slide show city, and game developers would try to turn this limitation into a "feature" by saying it was a "cinematic experience and intentional" when in reality it was "We can't get the game to work at a higher frame rate". And like usual, gamers would defend the game companies like good little fanbois.

[open rune]

Doom did 35 FPS overall, Quake did 10 FPS model animations

I still think animation interpolation looks weird in that one

[silver fable]

The games were fun, though, and cutting edge, so hardware limitations were definitely a thing.

[open rune]

The better 2D cards at the time touted running Duke Nukem 3D at 800x600 in the 20s

[silver fable]

I had an S3 Trio64 at the time, but I can't remember how high I could play it. :/

[copper notch]

Yeah, I don't remember either, but I remember that 30fps gaming sucked ass whether a given game was limited to it in engine or not, it was never ever good. It was sometimes "better than nothing" though.

[open rune]

I ran QTest on a 486, I'm guessing I didn't care

[sudden adder]

I was interested in the Rendition cards back then based on some of the reviews at the time

[old vortex]

helo

[full fern]

Howdy!

[carmine ibex]

[old vortex]

[copper notch]

Yeah, great movie! Halfway through I was thinking the other shark (Brad) looked familiar in some way but I couldn't place him. A while later I was like... damn, he looks like someone from a long time ago ... then I thought... Ricky Shroeder? And I was like noo... can't be him, he doesn't act anymore since he was a kid... right? I looked it up on iMDB and...

What a long shot LOL

[brave ingot]

Hey,I want to record minecraft and don't know if I should use CBR or CQP. Anyone have any suggestion?

[opaque halo]

CQP - and use Simple mode. Any further questions are best handled in a support channel. 🙂

[brave ingot]

Thank you

[civic quarry]

mobile game?
lol

[livid plover]

click the 3 dots to the right

[little glacier]

Is this a normal Facebook registration process? Because this is the first time I'm ever doing it in over 10 years, and I don't think I ever did anything that justified banning me before...

I did just remember knowing before that there were people with the same name as me, probably impersonating me.

[livid plover]

that looks to be an appeal instead of a registration attempt

[little glacier]

I mean, can the registration of a banned user also counts as appealing, at least on Facebook? Because I definitely know that I was attempting to register. They asked for my name and photo and everything, and then immediately to here.

[livid plover]

email used before?

[copper notch]

I've signed up for Twitter before and been banned during the signup process for no apparent reason. I had never done anything wrong on Twitter and never used that email before. It took me 6 months contacting them several times to eventually have my account sorted out and they told me there was an internal mistake made.

Had it happen on other platforms too, and right now funny enough I am unable to log into Twitter again due to "anomalous activity"

No idea what that means but I'm not doing any dumb shit there. I have a bunch of browser security/privacy plugins installed in my browser, ad blockers etc. Maybe their mega AI is detecting my browser fingerprint as unusual because of that and locking me out "just to be safe" or whatever. Killed by AI. I don't care enough about Twitter or other commercial "we own your soul, bow to us" motherbrain websites/social networks/whatever to bother jumping through the hoops to solve the problem again.