off-topic

[civic quarry]

You are seeing the Windows one

[sweet anchor]

Yea it's unfortunate that's a requirement for many things.

[civic quarry]

Disk 1 is my Linux SSD, Disk 0 is my Windows SSD

[civic quarry]

me hearing Disney coming with their lawyers

AI went to far

[marsh helm]

ooof yeah lots of ppl play illegal music and its going to catch up with them

it really opens them up for liability for pretty much forever

[civic quarry]

This resolution looks so freaking stupid hahahhaha

[marsh helm]

all videos are recorded and saved forever

and the bots scan all videos for music and sound effects

[civic quarry]

Yep

[marsh helm]

i was watching a streamer show one of them off

[civic quarry]

Ouch

[marsh helm]

it takes under .5 seconds

[civic quarry]

RIP career

[marsh helm]

to find it

and another second to file a takedown

or dmca

they dont need to do either

they could just fine your butt

[civic quarry]

So UMG uses those?

[marsh helm]

its around 3 cents per watcher per song

[civic quarry]

But without takedowns?

[marsh helm]

all of the labels use that

twitch has to give them api access to the backend

[civic quarry]

I mean, thats good, keep the copyrighted crap out of your streams

[marsh helm]

so they can run whatever on all content

its just that i dont think ppl understand that one day

these companies can just say hey you know what

we have 5 million violations of our work

why dont we send out 5 million emails demanding $500

[civic quarry]

I dont understand why everyone denied copyrighted music will get them in trouble

[marsh helm]

and if they dont pay up we will get twitch to close their account

they legally can do that

[civic quarry]

You must have known it was coming

Im a big fan of NoCopyrightSongs

I used their 247 Radio streams

[marsh helm]

a lot of the "copyright free" music is also a trap

they put out stuff they says its copyright free

with the plan to sell the label to another company

and then the new owner can send out 10 million takedown or pay up demands

its been happening on youtube a lot

theres this big meditation music label that did it and made a ton of money

[civic quarry]

I deleted the VOD with the 3 Claims. It was my fault for playing an unmuted stream and I paid the price by having the VOD restricted

[marsh helm]

if you dont have the license

[civic quarry]

I take that as a learning opportunity

[marsh helm]

you are in trouble

https://www.reddit.com/r/Filmmakers/comments/13lwk4l/best_places_to_find_royaltyfree_music/ this has a good list

just be sure they are giving you the music license

or they can just sell the label and sue your butt later

[civic quarry]

Actually, I change my mind with that

And will treat all Music, copyright or not, as dangerous

[marsh helm]

and stay away from stuff on yt that says royalty free

[civic quarry]

Yes

[marsh helm]

those are setup to be traps

its often royalty free only for non commercial

[civic quarry]

Even NCS warns you

"mismatches"

yea right

[marsh helm]

yuh its best to only use stuff that claims music

for you

i havnt used these guys yet

https://slip.stream/

i hear them mentioned often

[civic quarry]

I like it when the Flatpak version of OBS Studio used the Plasma 6 cursor on Plasma 5 😄

[jaunty fulcrum]

flatpak ships its own environment, essentially

[civic quarry]

I noticed yes

And not to mention, it also comes with some labeling issues, like these unintentionally added Ampersands

[jaunty fulcrum]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482657
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-86407

[civic quarry]

Ahh

[dense nebula]

Why can I not search from messages from specific users in this server, I really need to jump back to the last question I asked to see if anyone ever answered it.

Cuz I need help

[jaunty fulcrum]

is your discord maybe in streamer mode?

[dense nebula]

Oh hey, it is! Thank you so much for that tip.

I thought I disabled it.

[civic quarry]

Dang it Qt

Why you this broken

[dense nebula]

Who's QT?

[civic quarry]

Its the framework OBS is built upon

This specifically

Its also the same framework KDE Plasma, the desktop you see in the screenshot I am using, was made with

[dense nebula]

Oh thanks

👍

[civic quarry]

No worries

[hearty stirrup]

friendly reminder to re-read the channel description as well as server rules

[civic quarry]

I would like for the Pride logo to stay an Extra 5 Days please

[hearty stirrup]

if you feel that ignoring server rules is appropriate, I'm not the one that needs saving

<@&715347355565817879>

[still turret]

Anyway.

[civic quarry]

Yea

Make that 7 extra days the Pride logo stays

[hearty stirrup]

I'm fine with just leaving the pride logo up until like october at this point

or whenever even

[civic quarry]

Me too

[cunning pine]

7 extra days to represent the 7 days God made the Earth

[civic quarry]

Yes

[cunning pine]

poetic and thematic

[marsh helm]

i like the colors

[civic quarry]

me too

very abstract

[carmine ibex]

OBS screenshot versus whatever another program is using to convert to SDR
reinhard is just.. okay... I also had set to 270 white point which I think around 240 is better to prevent clipping? but that's not the main issues I'm seeing here

wait, why did I not screenshot the original image and instead take another one of the game
that way you'd get the exact same frame...

wait, I got it wrong.. the higher the white point, the darker it will be

here's with 240 and also took a screenshot of the original image so it's the same frame

it captured the cursor

idk why I said "versus whatever another program is using" I know what they are using.. they are using BT 2408-4 to tonemap to SDR

[hybrid stream]

UNLOCK GIFS!

[sudden adder]

Nah, keeps the potential random spam lower

[north zealot]

When i record on my obs and look back at it i can only hear it from one side of my headphones, why is that?

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[civic quarry]

@tall vapor You are gonna love this LOL. FreeBSD user tries HaikuOS https://youtu.be/wnEnXQW0TUc?si=MD_AD3nqxQIC6Crp

I am not sure its gonna go well for him

His testing rig is this Old Dell Optiplex

[tall vapor]

freebsd user
and I already don't care no more °J°

[civic quarry]

ok

[tall vapor]

It's not like I actually care abt haiku either, so

[civic quarry]

For me, those types of videos are interesting to watch. I just know the person WILL fuck something up

[tall vapor]

joke being that I sometimes catch myself thinkin of freebsd/openbsd/whateverbsd folk the same way that win folk think of lin folk, lol

[civic quarry]

Oh yes, saw that, noticed those

[tall vapor]

Cookie abt *bsd: "Nothing works here, hardware support is bad, applications don't run..... you're prolly only here cause lin stuffs be too mainstream for you"

[civic quarry]

Hahahha

Why? Just............why port Wine to a BeOS successor?

Source via Haiku Discourse Forum

[terse helm]

why not

tbh BeOS was kind of great

[civic quarry]

I do not know how well this will behave

[tall vapor]

why not?

[sudden adder]

I really liked running those early builds of BeOS

[tall vapor]

The reason as for why they wanna port wine to haiku is the same exact one as is the reason behind why wine exists in the first place

[civic quarry]

Ok then, someone IS daily driving HaikuOS

[tall vapor]

people can indeed daily drive operating systems on which one can install a web browser, correct 😅

[tall vapor]

you can absolutely daily drive os/2 (well, one of the commercial continuations of it) too. Should you? No

but if all that you wanna use yer computer for is to be a way more annoying chromebook? You absolutely can

[civic quarry]

Chromebooks

ewwww

This guy does not know KDE's own De-googled Chromium browser, Falkon, is a thing on Haiku right? right??

[tall vapor]

falkon is more than just a degoogled chromium

[civic quarry]

Also using Qt Framework

[tall vapor]

falkon be based on qtwebengine, which in turn makes use of chromium

as for why that person didn't know abt it being a thing on haiku... well I dunno when that video has been recorded, but it sure hasn't been a thing for an actual amount of time really

nor do I know how good it runs, with haiku being what it be

webpositive (haiku's native browser) is based on webkit. Webkit in turn started out as a fork of khtml&kjs. Yeah, K. /that/ k

and chromium contains blink, which in turn is a fork of a part of webkit

ah ye, gets real funny once ya start lookin into webbrowsers

[sudden adder]

/me misses the days he used Camino, iCab, Flock and CyberDog

[terse helm]

I never used Flock

despite one of my friends being a developer

the other ones I did use

[sudden adder]

I liked Flock early on, since that was also when most of the social media platforms were really picking up and their APIs were more open (eventually discovered to be TOO open on some cases).

[civic quarry]

This answers my question

There is a native Screen recorder for Haiku

[copper notch]

Picture this... 5 boiled eggs diced up with bacon, sauted sweet pepper, jalapeno, cremini mushroom, onion, with ancho chili powder, garlic, coconut oil and melted butter all mixed together, with a slab of pork roast thrown in for good measure. No photos, they cost extra! Use the generative AI in your mind! 🙂

[prisma dove]

And where is this? In case I want to check my AI mind picture against reality.

[terse helm]

hold on asking Dall-E

[copper notch]

Mostly in my belly. 🙂

[wheat karma]

AI really gone downhill, now it's asking us to imagine stuff?

[civic quarry]

I really don't understand stream titles like "ur not you when streaming on XYZ platform, stream on Kick"

Bro

If I want to make myself look like a goddamn moron, hate raid a small streamer becuz its somehow funny and let money get to my mind, I would stream to Kick

[opaque halo]

In these types of situations - I personally just ignore and scroll on past.

[civic quarry]

I just got done scrolling through an entire "Browse" feed on the Lime Green platform

I felt nothing but bad for these streamers

[opaque halo]

Have never been on that platform as there's most likely nothing there for me.

[civic quarry]

I have been a couple of times

The staff feels like they do not listen to feedback

[opaque halo]

I personally choose to avoid things like Kick and FB as there is nothing there for me.

[civic quarry]

Their whole play is, according to their community: "Kick should be the better Twitch"

I for one, somehow doubt that

[opaque halo]

claims like that.. just another reason for me to not even waste my time

[civic quarry]

Agreed

[hearty stirrup]

kick could have been the better twitch
except gambling, cryptobros and moderation failures

[civic quarry]

I even thought about the day Youtube sees its Livestream product failing, decides to shut it down.

If that does happen one day, I will happily return to Twitch

[civic quarry]

More worst, CSAM and SA shit

[hearty stirrup]

yeah, that more generally falls under moderation failures

[civic quarry]

Yes

You know its a extremely bad look when the CEO gifts subs for that type of content

[copper notch]

I think one of the big problems is that when one looks at a directory of a category, or the home page on pretty much all of these sites, all they have to go on as to whether or not the given channel's content might be interesting to them is the category name/game name, the thumbnail and the title. Because the thumbnail can not be customized and uploaded or changed at will, it is a random frame from the stream and is useless more often than it is useful, except for certain types of content. The stream titles are mostly nonsensical garbage with useless info in them, especially at the front of the title, so you can't get any solid idea of what you are going to get by clicking on it, not to mention due to all the ASCII art, emoji and crap people put in their titles, any useful info that might be in them is past the truncation point and shows like "[EN/DE]--==[[ HYPE!!!!!! The ..." With extra hearts and nonsense on both ends. I'm not clicking on that, it doesn't tell me anything.

So 99.9% of streamers just waste the title, the only thing they have control over. The only thing they can put something in to advertise their stream and try to entice someone to click on it. Filled with inside jokes/memes, unimportant things, random words, things that should be tags instead of in the title wasting space etc.

[civic quarry]

I saw no point adding "[LIVE]" to your title

[copper notch]

Then if you do decide to click on someone to check out their stream you're blasted with 2 minutes of ads and click <close> instead.

hahaha, yeah thats a good one too LOL

[hearty stirrup]

I'm glad I do the pre-roll suppression habit

[opaque halo]

On Twitch I use Turbo to bypas adds 🙂

[copper notch]

don't forget the red circle for the LIVE too, that's important.

[civic quarry]

1. Its a waste of character space, 2. Youtube already tells the user its a livestream

[copper notch]

On Twitch I use [x] close button to bypass ads.

[opaque halo]

Yes - adding a title to entice people but not making it look like clickbait is a fine line

[tall vapor]

looks like someone remembered that old snickers ad

[civic quarry]

hahahahah

Thats a classic

[copper notch]

There are tutorials on YouTube on how to promote a live stream, YouTube channel etc. and do it the right way that works, without being annoying or scammy or misleading.

[civic quarry]

The Shorts feed is already getting abused

Kiddies abusing the Greenscreen effect to "steal" other Shorts in hopes to get clicks on their channel

[opaque halo]

I've found being active / involved with the community you want to stream to helps as well.

[civic quarry]

Yes

Instead of becoming a link dropper

[tall vapor]

Language tags right up front make sense, but yeah you really need the space you can get in the beginning of the title and not waste it on HYPE!!!!!!!!

[civic quarry]

My rule is, if I did not send more then 3 messages, I am not allowed to self promo in servers containing self promo channels

[opaque halo]

I think due to my involvement in the community I was able to hit affiliate about 2 weeks after starting streaming.

[civic quarry]

My stream titles. I try and go for normal titles

[tall vapor]

tells you nothing as for what the stream is about, only lets the viewer know that it's late where yer at

[copper notch]

Or things like "help me get to 10000 followers!" and stuff like that. The way humans work, is that we click on things that we perceive that we may receive value from, so any kind of promotion one does for their content should emphasize the value to the viewer that the viewer should receive, and it should be something a viewer might want. Promoting by telling viewers what the streamer wants isn't telling anyone what they're going to get out of it by clicking on it, so more likely to get ignored than clicked.

[tall vapor]

which is like.... yeah ok

[opaque halo]

Mine are more "targeted" - Slinging paint on minis and creating backstories for them

[civic quarry]

I know its an issue, I just do not want to use the same title over and over again

[copper notch]

Too many people focus too much on what they want the viewers to do for them, rather than what they are going to do to entertain and provide value to the viewers.

[civic quarry]

I wanna keep it fresh

[opaque halo]

Agree - I stream for the fun of it and expect nothing when I hit that "go-live" button

[copper notch]

Imagine if other businesses promoted themselves like a lot of live streams do.

[tall vapor]

Yup. A stream title should tell me what the stream contains. I couldn't care less abt how many followers someone has, I sure as hell won't be one of them if I never click in the first place.... which I only do when there's something interesting for me there. Marketing 101

[copper notch]

"Come and buy a steak dinner at Rogers Steakhouse, and help us get to 100000 steaks sold!"

[tall vapor]

That's like as if a store went "Help us reach $10000 worth of sales today!!!!"

[copper notch]

why would I care if Roger's Steakhouse sells 100000 steaks?

[civic quarry]

"Buy 10 burgers, get 20 free steaks"

[opaque halo]

Even when I stream I have the viewer count disabled. I do the same stuff regardless if I have 1 viewer or 50

[tall vapor]

nah, not an apt comparison. Cause that I would actually be interesting to me, and you're actually portraying a value proposition to the consumer. Something that might get them like actually interested

[copper notch]

Also, people often reuse the title of their last stream without remembering to change it via a pre-stream checklist or whatever, and it is something unrelated to what they're streaming right now, or they change content mid stream and do not remember to update the title and tags etc. Plus, people spam tags that are unrelated to what they are actually streaming, making the tag system practically useless. Then they change to some other content that is not what the tags say also.

[opaque halo]

and advertising "giveaways".... sure.. you'll get a few more viewers and maybe some followers... who will drop their follow as soon as they don't win something

[tall vapor]

whereas those "help me reach 10000 followers!" titles only tell me to buy 10 burgers, so to speak

[civic quarry]

Now would be a good time to use that trusty Notepad thats on your computer to write keywords to use in your stream title

[copper notch]

haha, yeah exactly

[civic quarry]

Keywords such as, what will you be doing in your stream? What in-game specific task are you progressing?

[tall vapor]

being particular abt the ingame task.... that's a bit too meta, imho

[copper notch]

There will be a tag that was made for one specific purpose, and someone will see it and think of a way to realign the tag to their own meaning too.

So now the tag doesn't mean one thing, it means 500 things.

[tall vapor]

and only leads to you changing titles every 30 minutes or so, else people gonna claim that you don't show what they came for cause yer in the next mission/quest by that point

😅

"Defeating $insertnameofbosshere"

yeah okay.... and then what?

[opaque halo]

yup - see people use the "D&D" tag (which is something I'm interested in) - they could be playing BG3, Streaming a game, making dice, drawing a map, doing player character drawing or doing NOTHING about D&D

[prisma dove]

Maybe these streamers should look at marketing that does work for live sports events. Treat themselves playing games as athletes playing games.

[civic quarry]

Im always trying to keep my titles short and simple, Phone screens and character cutoff can make or break a title

[copper notch]

I've seen people use the "blind playthrough" tag, which has a specific meaning, but they use it for performing a piece of music on an instrument for the first time.

[civic quarry]

Youtube gives you 100 characters to work with, so it better describe exactly what you will be doing

[tall vapor]

That's a big reason as for why I would put language tags at the end of the title these days

or like the fact that yer playing the NG+

[copper notch]

When choosing tags, people should think to themselves "If someone searches for this tag or clicks on it, what exactly is the type of content that they are most likely looking to find" and if it is not their content then don't use the tag.

[civic quarry]

The "[ENG]" stuff?

[tall vapor]

Things like [EN/DE] (in my case), aye

[copper notch]

But how people actually use tags almost universally is "How many tags can I spam on this with complete disregard to how useful the tag system is, so that I can try to maximize every possible chance that someone might click on my stream by abusing tags."

[civic quarry]

I see

[tall vapor]

not at the front of the title, nah. Because phones

Front of the title shall get folk to click in the first place

[opaque halo]

I honestly quit using tags as you eluded to.. they are pretty pointless

[copper notch]

I've seen streamers of decent sized channels ask their chat "does anyone use tags to find content in the directories?" and get back almost all "no" or people saying tags are useless so they don't bother, then there's always that "one guy" that says they use them.

[civic quarry]

here is a title from a Ghosts Of Tabor youtube stream

[tall vapor]

okay so on my phone I'm only gonna see the red dot and FULL KITTED Ta...

[copper notch]

Yeah exactly. The most important info is at the end of the title. The word "continuing" is unnecessary filler and might make someone think "oh, I missed previous parts of this so meh..."

[tall vapor]

the red dot is literally just clutter

[copper notch]

Same thing with episode numbers in YouTube videos for content that is not a part of a chronological series that should be watched in order. It gives people the false impression that they need to watch episode 1, then 2, then 3, so when they see episode 8 they skip it because who wants to start reading a book starting at chapter 8.

[civic quarry]

Since I play Deep Rock Galactic, I am close to an in-game Promotion, now that I think about it, I could props go for Promotion Progress, Other game after

[copper notch]

yup

[tall vapor]

the important thing is to have a hook

here there is no hook

ie yer being /too/ descriptive, imho

[civic quarry]

Oh yea, pulling the Can I complete my Promotion Progress? type titles

[copper notch]

yeah, that's what live stream titles are sorely lacking IMHO really, a hook. A reason for someone to click on it.

[tall vapor]

marketing 101

Get me to click on your stream

[civic quarry]

I try and avoid clickbaity crap

[tall vapor]

it's a fine line

[copper notch]

A lot of stream titles contain in-jokes or in-memes that a fraction of the existing viewership understands, but nobody else. Putting those in the title doesn't entice non-viewers to click on it though.

[tall vapor]

actual clickbait would be if the title made me expect something that just isn't in the stream/video, ya know?

[civic quarry]

Rock and Stone! is a meme inside Deep Rock Galactic

[tall vapor]

ie actual clickbait is a bait&switch situation

you not doing that? cool

[copper notch]

Well, there are 2 types of clickbait. 1. Clickbait that coerces people into clicking on it and then intentionally or unintentionally fails to deliver to the viewer what their expectations were from the title. 2. Clickbait that causes someone to have interest or curiousity or to find out something, who then clicks on it and finds out what they were promised by the title, delivering on the promise.

#1 is bad and at least on YouTube is an unsuccessful tactic as the algorithm is too smart and buries that crap now for years.

[tall vapor]

yup. number 1 I am mad about, number 2 is just marketing your content to the intended audience

[civic quarry]

Here is a XDefiant youtube stream title

[copper notch]

#2 is sometimes annoying but not always... but it works, because people mostly get what they were expecting in some way shape or form. But the creator has to ensure that they are indeed trying to deliver on whatever their promise was.

[civic quarry]

Channel names are always not included in these screenshots

[tall vapor]

yup. So don't make promises that are too far out there. Make a proposition that you can fulfull, but title it like as if it was hard to fulfill it if that makes sense 😅

also very much depends on the specific kind of content

[civic quarry]

The issue I am now facing is, I sometimes include CrowdControl in my Deep Rock Galactic streams

[copper notch]

One YouTube channel I watch (Daniel Owen) usually has normal titles, but once in a while he will make a video called something like "OMG FPS!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!" with no context of what the video is about but it sounds like it might be related to some new video card and getting a high frame rate in games or something. Some viewers complained about him using lame clickbait titles like this in his videos, and he brought this up in a Q&A type video and showed people the behind the scenes YouTube analytics statistics for his videos, and showed how every video he put clickbait titles on like that scores way hard greater number of views and view duration, and he makes a lot more money from them. So not doing that means he'll make a lot less money for doing the exact same amount of work. He doesn't like making lame titles like that but the analytics do not lie, nor does the paycheque.

[civic quarry]

Now, I have to find a way to shape the title that explains what I am doing with CrowdControl on Deep Rock Galactic

[copper notch]

His videos are quite good, and deliver useful information that is well thought out, and even though the titles are vague on those ones, you can guess pretty close as to what they are about if you watch his stuff enough.

[tall vapor]

okay yeah, that title is just garbage. But yes, people will click. What I wonder abt when it comes to that title is how many of the clickthroughs actually stay for longer than like 20% of the video

[prisma dove]

that says a lot about human nature too

[copper notch]

Yes, that is why the video has to deliver what people expected, or something that they will consider good value.

A lot of people hate bad or good clickbait titles, but then they also click on them a lot too and wonder why they keep using them. It works.

[civic quarry]

how is this for a title then?

[copper notch]

There is a browser plugin called DeArrow that optionally replaces YouTube thumbnails and titles with crowdsourced ones that people who usee the plugin vote on. So you can get non-clickbait titles/thumbs on many videos by using the plugin.

[civic quarry]

Sponsorblock is about to break cuz Youtube is testing Server-side Ad Injections

[tall vapor]

which is exactly what is tough when yer casting /THAT/ wide of a net

[civic quarry]

Meaning, ads gets parsed with the Video

[copper notch]

ugh

[civic quarry]

Im still not gonna pay for Youtube Premium

[tall vapor]

yeah, it's breaking just like ublockorigin broke like a hundred times in the last year or so

[copper notch]

They'll have to disable skipping and speed controls for that to be effective.

[tall vapor]

that cat&mouse game between youtube and ubo has been going on for years upon years upon years by now

[civic quarry]

no one knows what effect it will have on ad revenue

which spoiler, ad revenue pays jackshit

[copper notch]

I have a plugin for YT that automatically speeds up ads 16x while muting their audio, then restores the speed/audio after the ad is over. It turns even the longest ads into 1-3 seconds of high speed video that the player can't really keep up with so you see like 2 frames and silence then it is done and skipped.

[opaque halo]

Counting on income from streaming is a balance as well as VERY unstable

[tall vapor]

there'll always be identifying marks to ads, always. The endgame will be that your computer will analyze each video that yer watching and yer gonna skip the ad that way

cause what you can't hide is that the ad does indeed look&sound different from the actual video, no matter how embedded into the stream you think it is

[civic quarry]

Another factor is not wasting your money on dumb stuff me looking at myself

[fossil cobalt]

is somebody here German?

[opaque halo]

There are many Germans here - but support is done in English

[tall vapor]

hey look, I found an actual usecase for those AI accelerators/NPUs that companies are building into CPUs now

[prisma dove]

enough of us can interpret. If the black screen guide didn't help you resolve the issue, the last step is to post a log, in the channel where I linked you the guide

[fossil cobalt]

no because my OBS is in German and my English isnt that Good

[copper notch]

Someone will just make an AI ad blocker that detects ads heuristically or whatever, crowdsources people to vote whether it did a good call or not, gets smarter each time etc.

[tall vapor]

Exactly that.

[prisma dove]

many of us can read it, because features in OBS are in the same place, even in different languages.

[civic quarry]

That will fail badly as AI is prone to misinformation

[tall vapor]

it'd be a highly specialised model.

[fossil cobalt]

but i am dumb and dont understand the last Bot help

[tall vapor]

not like chatgpt 💀

[civic quarry]

Or copilot

[prisma dove]

then head back to that channel to continue this discussion.

[civic quarry]

Or Llama LM

[tall vapor]

completely different things

completely

[copper notch]

The AI ad blockers can provide useful usage statistics like "Number of ads blocked", "Amount of time saved not having to watch ads", "Number of dolphins killed from AI induced carbon emissions" etc.

[tall vapor]

think of what I'm proposing as machine learning powered sponsorblock

instead of users tagging the start&stop of the ad/sponsorship a machine vision model will take care of that

[copper notch]

yeah

[civic quarry]

Like the OCR feature in ShareX

[tall vapor]

that way it can be done on a user's machine locally, and bam youtube can embed them ads into the videostream wherever they want and it's still gonna get blocked

[copper notch]

And it can detect the ads across multiple videos by seeing a video cut to new content where the content is something it saw before in multiple other videos. It can use clues as exact length of segment, audio volume changes, as well as converting the voices to text and keywords too.

[tall vapor]

yup

I don't think that better adblockers is what google envisioned whenever they were hyping up AI stuffs, but heeeeeyyyyyyy

[copper notch]

It will suck for the case of downloading videos though if they have embedded ads.

But then someone will make some AI YouTube video downloader minus ads addon

or website

[tall vapor]

that's gonna get taken care of in minutes, yt-dlp-ai fork created that does the same thing as the browser plugin does

not exactly rocket science once that kind of adblocker exists

😅

the model&all doesn't care whether the video be in a browser or wherever, why would it

and if everything goes south.... oh well, electron powered yt-dlp here we come

[copper notch]

or Freetube

[tall vapor]

yah

[carmine ibex]

another example
I think the other program's tone mapping is pushing the gamma up too much.. but besides that, it looks miles better than what OBS is using...

[tall vapor]

which is which?

[carmine ibex]

left is other program HDR>SDR conversion, right is OBS with white point set to 240

and gamma is easily fixable in post.. that's really the main issue I'm seeing here is it is too darkened
but the OBS one? colors are gone.. can turn saturation up but that doesn't really bring them back.. brightness is gone... can't really recover that easily..

[tall vapor]

almost looks like as if the other program is usin the full sdr colourspace whereas obs is set to limited, no?

or am I being silly here 😅

[copper notch]

Oh gawd, I'm super tired and been reading a lot of AI related stuff.. I read your comment above and read "gamma" as "gemma" and was trying to figure out how what you said related to the Google Gemma LLM

I need to go to bed, seriously

[tall vapor]

but yes, the obs output also has a green tint to it

[carmine ibex]

but the brightness is butchered as well
I could try turning the white point even lower (so it clips at a lower point and makes the bright parts brighter) but... you do start losing detail... and I think 240 is about correct? it's just not doing a good job..

[tall vapor]

ngl I never messed around with HDR things, so.... good luck

[carmine ibex]

I just wish OBS was using the tone mapping algorithm of the other program.. I don't think any amount of tuning will get it even close.. a lot of information is altered
while just a simple gamma adjustment would pretty much fix the other one...

I tried white point 200... not really any better and more detail is clipped

I guess it's called "white level" not "white point"
that makes more sense

the SDR tone mapped version of this when viewing in SDR is worse
can barely see Alan now
especially in Firefox.. Edge is a little better
and of course, Edge doesn't view in HDR properly either... turns the brightness waaaay down
that's how it's supposed to be versus how Edge is viewing it

[civic quarry]

Im going to be honest and say Youtube's Notifications are dogshit.

Anyone who tries to convince me otherwise is a moron for believing in the PR shit Youtube spews out

[amber sparrow]

Wut

[civic quarry]

Off topic, but the Kick app still has a long standing Notification issue which prompted me to stick Youtube as well

Im so frustrated that I cannot even properly watch a stream/video and the very first thing that fails is sending notifications

I cannot begin to mention the amount of times I had to clear the cache and data, yet the same issue persists

[tall vapor]

less ranting, more actually mentioning what you think is wrong with them. Thanks

cause now I be wondering

[civic quarry]

I go to a Channel, I click Subscribe, I clicked Turn on All Notifications, I see Notifications permission is enabled for the app, Channel uploads a video, I expect a notification, I do not get one

[open rune]

At least it's just Kick

[full fern]

Kick isn't a video streaming service. It's a marketing funnel for Stake

[karmic tiger]

kick doing kick things?

[prisma dove]

kick the kick things

[sudden adder]

Gambling addictions can be hard to… Kick

[prisma dove]

any addiction, including the proclivity to post puns

[tall vapor]

I mean what I am addicted to is yappin

[sterile flower]

I'm suffering from yap withdrawal, need to talk for 2 hours about something I know an unreasonable amount of information about

[opaque halo]

What about discussing things that you know nothing about and broading your knowledge about things?

[sterile flower]

Ooo good idea

[opaque halo]

I'm willing to talk about the Bremsstrahlung effect and Radiation 🙂

[amber sparrow]

Some.of yall need hobbies. That is all ;]

[tall vapor]

real

[opaque halo]

I have one.. Just primed a squad of Clone Troopers and about a dozen other minis

I only brought this topic up with Oscar because it's something I'm very knowledgeable in figured might as well help him learn something that he wouldn't learn unless he went into the Radiation field 🙂

[sterile flower]

My current hobbies are Blender, livestreaming (very occasionally) (I need a good schedule so baddd), I'm learning how to use a camera, and I could probably do YouTube if my ADHD didn't stop me from editing the VODs

[amber sparrow]

That comment wasn't directed at anyone or any specific conversation 😉

Get a hobby

[sterile flower]

Lol

[amber sparrow]

I need to put my 40 gigs of RL clips to use. But I'm a lazy POS

[sterile flower]

I've got about 20 hobby-related side quests going on right now, should I start more?

[amber sparrow]

No you should finish some

[opaque halo]

or drop about 15 of them

[sterile flower]

Me? Getting stuff done?!?!

Unheard of!

[amber sparrow]

So scared that you don't want me here In the corner of the living room Reading subtitles, 'cause I can't hear The show you put on for noise While you're laughing in the kitchen Pourin' drinks over ice And I am not the type to go out every night 'Cause I just need some time To know what's wrong in my head

[marsh helm]

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/ign-owner-reportedly-closes-humble-games-publisher-of-wildly-popular-indie-games-like-coral-island-unpacking-signalis-and-forager/

😢

that sucks

[hybrid stream]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4KWeGKChLKcnZsj3sIOSkW?si=c3ff03293c4a441a

[full fern]

Can you not? Nobody wants to listen to Eminem

[sweet anchor]

Woaaah woaaah there there with the hot takes.

[full fern]

It ain't 1996 anymore, let's move forward LOL

[sweet anchor]

Erhm, he didn't blow up till like 3 years later

[terse helm]

can confirm

[sweet anchor]

Tbf, his track infinite is pretty neat.

Which is technically from '96

But that was before dre.

[full fern]

<spits> woman beater

dre, i don't know abnout eminem

[sweet anchor]

Also, "nobody wants to listen to eminem" about one of the highest listened to artists on spotify seems.. just wrong

[full fern]

Shhhh, don't remind me of numbers LOL

[sweet anchor]

Mans a dinosaur in the music game, like ancient at this point. Yet he pulls 120m on a track on youtube in a month.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma dove]

I think he pulls views from a different demographic now vs his early career.

[sweet anchor]

I actually think it's much the opposite - his demographic probably haven't changed. Those 90s/00s kids are still listening to him.

[terse helm]

80s/90s kid here

never listened to eminem

[sweet anchor]

Good thing there's more than you 😄

[terse helm]

I deny this

[full fern]

Yup. I understand nostalgia. But you won't catch me streaming Paula Abdul on Spotify LOL

[prisma dove]

80's kid, young adult here when he broke out, but his latest material doesn't resonate with me anymore.

[full fern]

I grew up listening to my elders cry about how "music isn't good anymore" and I resolved never to be like them. Always trying new things

[prisma dove]

<hides the Paula Abdul entries on his most played list, 2023>

[sterile flower]

Ever listened to Tally Hall?

[sweet anchor]

I mean its probably the same for every gen. Parents going to see artists they listened to when they were young.

Don't think this is Eminem unique at all.

[terse helm]

it took only "drill rap" for me to turn into my parents with regard to saying that

[silver fable]

Because Opposites Attract?

[full fern]

Is that those youngins with the bad teeth and face tattoos?

[prisma dove]

You cold-hearted snake

[terse helm]

straight up

[opaque halo]

Now now. don't Rush Rush to judgement

We all could just dance like there is no tomorrow

but... the choice is yours

[prisma dove]

I miss Paula and Simon and Randy, together every week.

[full fern]

hands you a cane

[opaque halo]

Paula Abdul, Randy "Macho Man Savage" and Simon & Garfunkle were amazing together

[amber sparrow]

Now tell me is it gonna be you and me foreva oh oh oh

[opaque halo]

All depends on the State of Attraction Matty

[full fern]

Are you just having fun do do doot do

[silver fable]

I thought I was caught in a hit-and-run...

[opaque halo]

Might have been Xor - cause.......Opposites Attract

[opaque halo]

a group of viewers and I spent about 2 hours "trolling" a fellow streamer with song titles and lyrics.. the earworms it generated was hilarious for everyone

[carmine ibex]

so apparently Edge uses SDR content brightness level to map the brightness down.. which is stupid
and not fixable.. I guess just use SKIV if you want to actually make sure the images are being viewed as they should >.>
I think it's just one dev on the Chromium team that decided it should be done like this...

[civic quarry]

[carmine ibex]

https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/fdpGIDCG/red-18-large.jpg?format=auto lol, the Vizio OLED TV is so bad

[silver canopy]

I need help

I bought nitro

But it don’t show up

She I am on a subscription

Says*

[civic quarry]

Ask Discord support, then

[silver canopy]

When you buy discord nitro do you get it automatically

Or have to wait??

[civic quarry]

Usually you have it immediately, but I'd really ask their support

[silver canopy]

I hope I am not getting scam

I bought it off mobile

So I have to buy it on pc?

Do*

[civic quarry]

Shouldn't make any difference

Ask their support

[silver canopy]

Do you get your money back if you end the subscription

[civic quarry]

Ask their support

Arch Linux is a terrible choice for beginners. Use Ubuntu or Debian, but not Arch Linux when starting with Linux as a beginner.

[tall vapor]

I see that frog and I'm already noping

[civic quarry]

"if you guys know the best OBS settings for Linux, let me know"

I am fucking dead

There are no best settings

I am hurting just by watching this

My entire existance hurts by watching this

And the worst part, he uses Nvidia

no, no, im not watching it further

There were SOOOO many mistakes made in the video

[tall vapor]

...what tf are you expecting when someone who has never been on the side of the penguin has their first go, esp on Arch?

Of course the entire video is just one big pile of fremdschämen 😅

[civic quarry]

You do not ALWAYS have to use the Terminal to install the shit you need

That is what Software managers are for

[tall vapor]

on arch using the term is the recommended way to go, esp for packages. The packagekit integration on arch is notoriously broken, after all

[cunning pine]

But... But.... But.... Manjaro is beginner friendly right?

[tall vapor]

We'd be better off if manjaro just dropped off of the face of the earth

[sudden adder]

<@&715347355565817879>

no shitposting in the channel, its in the description of the channel

[civic quarry]

[proper valve]

Hi

[civic quarry]

Asking for a ban, huh?

Continuing shitposting after being told not to, sendind some small image for "rating", sending two videos without being asked for...

Being racist is not the best way to stay here...

[sudden adder]

RE has already been pinged, no need to add to this. They are a troll, and wont listen to the facts of life

[civic quarry]

I know. It's just nice how they slowly start to show their real face

So.. bye then

[amber sparrow]

@civic quarry you're back?!?

[civic quarry]

Took some months off and thought about joining back

[amber sparrow]

Hope you are doing good homie!

[karmic tiger]

wb 💜

[civic quarry]

So far so well, thx. Had some big changes in life but it's all good after all

[civic quarry]

[karmic tiger]

nice pfp

[opaque halo]

Welcome back Klax

[civic quarry]

[sweet anchor]

Hallooo

[civic quarry]

[sweet anchor]

#rules [5]

[amber sparrow]

And that's def a <@&715347355565817879> ping

[sudden adder]

already sent one earlier

[amber sparrow]

[sudden adder]

yep, they've been at this for about a half hour now

trolls just dont know how to play the long game these days. They unload everything upfront, and then got nothing after

[karmic tiger]

dear lord that profile

[amber sparrow]

Probably bogus info but if not, dude is doxxing people

[civic quarry]

Reported Discord as well...

[hybrid stream]

Up and got everything done for promotions and social media before the stream! its going to be a good day.

[shrewd spire]

🧹

[sudden adder]

@civic quarry did some searches. the !yellow bot response does mention "and up", but i cant find anything in searches showing that the Roblox command ever showed that

although i dont know if embeds are retroactive or not

[full fern]

Missed you, Klax! glad to see you again!

[civic quarry]

Thanks

[full fern]

Searches for this Reddit comment to downvote it LOL

#windows-support message

[jaunty fulcrum]

if you find it and it's in /r/obs, let me know and I can delete it

[full fern]

Thx, will do!

[full fern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/obs/comments/184gqn1/comment/kb3vejd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Got em

[proper valve]

Hi

[cerulean stratus]

@prisma dove Hey dude, just making sure I don't @ you in the wrong discord channel. You should be a moderator in this server after all these years, you know your stuff sir. You're a great kid

[prisma dove]

I'm just an enthusiastic user and volunteer. The moderator role is kept for those vetted by the admins of the server and OBS Project. Moderators are for moderating the server. I just want to help people enjoy using OBS.

[cerulean stratus]

Why don't you get the volunteer role?

[prisma dove]

If the admins want to give me the role, they can. The role isn't necessary to help people, and I definitely don't know everything about OBS or how to solve every issue.

[cerulean stratus]

Ah right fair enough buddy, I didn't think you had to be the sharpest tool in the box to have that role, thought it was more of an effort thing. You would definitely be a good moderator tho, you have the right things for it. Good attitude, support & lots of free time etc. You should give it a go

[prisma dove]

I don't want to moderate people. Already do that on my guild server and a couple others. 🗞️ 🗞️ 🗞️

[cerulean stratus]

What is your guild server about?

[prisma dove]

World of Warcraft guild.

[cerulean stratus]

Oh fairs, I see you got VB audio in your bio. Not sure if it's the same thing but I use a VB-Audio Hi-Fi cable and VB-Audio Voicemeter software to get good audio in some games I play

[prisma dove]

yes, the VB Audio server is the official Discord for VB Audio products like Voicemeeter, the Virtual Cables, Matrix, Spectralissime, etc.

[cerulean stratus]

Do you mind senbdin

sending it to me*?

[prisma dove]

Sending what?

[cerulean stratus]

the discord

[prisma dove]

Can't share discord links in this server. But the link to the VB Audio server is available from the VB Audio or Voicemeeter websites. Or just search servers in Discord.

[amber sparrow]

brand new acct and asking for monies?

sus

how many people fall for your scam I wonder

if you actually need help go start a gofundme

Im sure you have access to google 😉

[uneven sluice]

... Uh huh

[amber sparrow]

bet its a dude

100%

[uneven sluice]

Hey everyone I'm a catgirl please send me 100 Canadian pennies and I'll prove I'm a catgirl

[amber sparrow]

so scammer

confirmed

[prisma dove]

would be faster and easier to walk outside and ask someone directly, if you can do something for them and get a euro in return.

[karmic tiger]

can I pay in catnip?

[amber sparrow]

<@&715347355565817879> fenrir already advised to not do that

thx len

[uneven sluice]

Lol

[primal root]

geez Streamlabs is slow for "Technical Support" in their server

[karmic tiger]

you could always use obs instead :3

[full fern]

Community Support = Best Support

[amber sparrow]

Most of streamlabs support in their server is community

[full fern]

Yeah, but we're still better LOL

[tall vapor]

It's like, uh... how do I put this... streamlabs community support is fortnite playin 13yo kids helping other fortnite playing 13yo kids by providing all the "BEST SETTINGS!!!!!" and well when that no worky yer a noob

[prisma dove]

Sound like the last kindergarten class at the school I worked at

[tall vapor]

Okay so why hasn't anyone made a surface duo esque device yet where one screen is eink and the other is oled

[wary holly]

I heard there was a smartphone like this, with the e-ink bits used primarily to show persistent text like the current time, but it didn't get popular.

[tall vapor]

basically what I would want is like an ereader&a normal tablet in a single device, not just a cheapo smart band that's been glued onto a regular phone

I mean that's basically what those were. A regular phone with an inbuilt pebble

those likely died out cause oled is pretty damn efficient already, esp when only showing a bit of text on a black background

Which makes sense. They used an eink display for that case that's what was available, not cause they actually wanted to use eink for something where eink would excel

most of what we do on a phone on a day to day basis is text stuff. Lemme use an eink for that stuff&the oled for when I want more than that

but again, not phone

phone's rather terrible for reading a lot of text, and that's not just due to the display

it's that goddamn aspect ratio, too

but tbf... I kinda want more applications of eink stuffs in general

okay so, I got an idea

oled displays are like, uh, transparent

a fact that is being made use of more&more

with like under screen fingerprint scanners, under screen cameras and such

it's all very much not perfect, sure

but I wonder if we might reach a point where you can like layer an oled ontop of an eink

unlikely to get any good results from that, to be fair

but I had to throw it out there cause that thought would've continued to haunt me otherwise

[willow ledge]

Im taking this too far but i just wanna add some eas to obs for livestream purposes.

[sudden adder]

add some what to obs?

[prisma dove]

eas? expressive auditory selections?

[sudden adder]

E A Sports

[full fern]

Everyday Alfredo Sauce.. Yes, please

[prisma dove]

"It's in the game"

[wary holly]

Make a typo and everyone starts coming up with stuff to alleviate their boredom. Can't blame you, though.

[prisma dove]

I'm simply lurking while prepping some burgers for the grill.

[civic quarry]

@hybrid stream I think we can go without posting stuff like that.

[full fern]

I've decided to rewatch Severance. 2nd times are always great to find details you missed in shows and movies

[amber sparrow]

I'm gonna wait til closer to ssn2 and rewatch

Just finished watching Poolhall Junkies(for maybe the 100th time). Such a good movie. Christopher Walken at his best. One of my all time favorites

[full fern]

Nice. I'll do it then too haha

Christopher Walken is the greatest

[cunning pine]

Every frackin time you use "ssn" for season I first read it all out in my brain as "social security number" then correct myself.

[open rune]

S2 or S02 please

[copper notch]

Haven't seen that one, but Walken is great. Will have to check it out.

[civic quarry]

Good morning, fellas

[paper steppe]

Gorning

[willow ledge]

emergency alert system

i think my friend got a karma

[copper notch]

Hmm... sunsettvnetwork now?

[topaz ginkgo]

Hey guys!
I'm looking for a firefox extension, that lets me set different folders in my HD to download things to, based on which site they're coming from. Is there such a thing?

[karmic tiger]

firefox already does that natively for me?

[topaz ginkgo]

Oh shit. How

You don't mean the "always ask" option, right

[karmic tiger]

no I mean that when downloading from a site it does it the the folder I previously downloaded for for that site

[topaz ginkgo]

Mine just puts everything in "Downloads" no matter what

Where's this setting...

[karmic tiger]

no idea, sorry, I'll look around

[tall vapor]

set it to always ask, and then also set browser.download.lastDir.savePerSite to true

without always ask it won't prompt you to select a folder in the first place but rather just defaults to the default download dir

[topaz ginkgo]

But after the first time (for each site) it'll stop asking?
Cuz that's just as bad if not

[tall vapor]

no, it won't

[topaz ginkgo]

Yeah then that doesn't work.

I need like a matrix thing where I can set it and forget it

[karmic tiger]

just have to press enter on the prompt?

[topaz ginkgo]

This site -> that folder and never ask again

And have entries for each site

[tall vapor]

That can't be done with a plugin as it overrides browser code

[topaz ginkgo]

Goddammit. Surely someone's thought of this...
It's just super damn annoying, I'm downloading a million tracks from Epidemic Sound, and it's horrific having to go in and keep moving them between folders

[karmic tiger]

might try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/free-download-manager-addon/, it does say " helps you organize them in an easy manner."

[tall vapor]

plugins can provide their own download funct, but yeah replacing the default browser download funct ain't possible per se

[tall vapor]

that's a point where a dedicated download manager would be preferable over, say, the integrated browser thing

[topaz ginkgo]

I'll take that. Got one to recommend?

[tall vapor]

you want somethin with a gui&prolly some browser integration too, yes? 😅

[topaz ginkgo]

yes

Back in dialup days this was commonplace

I remember good old "DownThemAll"

Lol

Hey. That's still a thing, it might do this.

[tall vapor]

yah, downthemall is available again after quite a long time of not

thanks for the reminder btw, I thought it was still dead 😅

[topaz ginkgo]

Hahaha awesome

[tall vapor]

but apparently not

last time I used it was like, phew.... 2012?

[topaz ginkgo]

Hmmm it uses filetypes, which is alright. But not origin <-> destination

The search continues.

Epidemic sound is annoying. Doesn't let you download multiple at a time and you have to click a file, change from MP3 to WAV and then click download. One by one.

There's gotta be a smart macro thingy to do this.

[sudden adder]

a lot of these download methods are so you cannot download a lot of stuff at once, usually

purposeful on the part of the website owners

[topaz ginkgo]

No, I get that.
But as with everything in the wonderful internet, someone at some point just goes "fuck this, I will do what I want" and figures it out, right.

[terse helm]

with some judicious application of javascript and a userscript manager you could probably fix that

esp the "change from MP3 to WAV" is probably easy to do

[topaz ginkgo]

This sounds promising...

I need it to crawl the page, click each track, pick WAV, click download.
Do this for the whole page, change pages, do it again.

[sudden adder]

and crawling the page, in this day and age, may require the crawler to execute and parse javascript, since not every page is static from the server

[topaz ginkgo]

Yep. Hmm.
Anyway thanks guys!

[copper pasture]

I’ve written lots of scrapers and it’s very rare that you can’t make do without running js

[opaque halo]

Rob - lurked in your stream yesterday. Was a great distraction from work chaos 🙂

[sudden adder]

nice, saw ya there but forgot to say hello. gonna be jumping into some Once Human today, but after playing a brief bit last night to make sure things would run fine... eh, today might be the only day i stream it. We'll see

[opaque halo]

I get it 🙂 Can't always great everyone individually.

[livid plover]

Jdownloader 2 might already have a plugin for it

[sudden adder]

cant remember which A.S.S. game i was playing at the time. Was happy to find a few more "good" ones yesterday

[livid plover]

If not, post on their forum, super responsive and kind devs to adding stuff

[opaque halo]

Be My Horde is what I got to see mostly...and some of the "train survivor" one

[sudden adder]

gotcha. Yeah, Choo Choo Survivor and Be My Horde

Be My Horde was refreshing. Too often there are many of "also ran" games that just kinda dip their toe into the genre, but dont get what makes the good ones "good"

and for Auto Shooter Survival games, starting the player out super slow and underpowered even for the first couple of waves just misses the point

you need to feel crazy powerful, until that first "wall" hits you. In "Death Must Die", that wall is every blob in existance, lol

[opaque halo]

completely understandable. I haven't played many. Mainly just do old school FPSs

[civic quarry]

Is Choo Choo Survivor based on Choo Choo Charles?

[sudden adder]

no

you'd think it would be, but sadly it isnt

[civic quarry]

[civic quarry]

On the next episode of: My friend being a nightly software tester: Installing Chrome OS Flex on an old laptop

He tried asking me what recording/streaming software is available for Chrome OS Flex..........I said I do not know of any

[tall vapor]

I'm just happy to know that they're your friend, not mine

[civic quarry]

I find his hobbies interesting

He streamed with OBS in Beta Mode, tried to game on ZorinOS, and now he tried doing content creation on Chrome OS Flex on an Old Macbook

[tall vapor]

I get wantin to play around with things, do it too. Bu5 ChromeOS? Oh come on now

[civic quarry]

I wish I could answer why

The thing is: I cant

[tall vapor]

like there isn't even anything fun or interesting

it's just chrome

[civic quarry]

I still think ChromeOS is useless and super limited

If you want a ChromeOS-like experience, go use LXQT

An Linux Distro you can ACTUALLY do stuff on

[tall vapor]

I don't see a reason to anything chromeos, bogstandard desktop lin is right there

[civic quarry]

Plus, there is zero high quality streaming apps for Android

Let alone ChromeOS

And then he also tried ReactOS

Like......listen, stick to Windows, where everything works for you, and stop wasting time trying these strange Operating Systems

[tall vapor]

hey look if reactos was actually better than it be I could see it being useful in situations where ya need old windows

[civic quarry]

Whats next? Goddamn SerenityOS?

I do not want to tell him about HaikuOS

[tall vapor]

just like freedos is useful when ya need dos for some reason 😅

[tall vapor]

that's actually interesting to play around with tho, just like haiku. "play around with" being the point, obv. ChromeOS ain't even interesting in that regard.

and oh, that reminds me that I wanted to play around with redox

[civic quarry]

Lemme get Gnome Boxes and try SerenityOS

Ok, nevermind, no public available ISO

Wait, lemme fetch the latest HaikuOS nightly and experiment with something

Aha!! Thats how they made Haiku's "Taskbar" to look like Windows's Taskbar appearance

[tall vapor]

it's in the wrong place, though. Fix it!

[civic quarry]

Nahh

[tall vapor]

ew

[civic quarry]

Open Source!!

Anyway

I think I finally found the perfect time for me to stream

I noticed more people tune in at 10 - 11AM my time

Meaning, it leaves me with my own stuff to do

[marsh helm]

wat the heck is that

openshot

[tall vapor]

openshot runnin on haiku, that's what that is

[civic quarry]

The port is not official. Its a community managed port

The same thing with Minecraft on Haiku

[tall vapor]

same thing with minecraft (the og minecraft, not badrock) on android

[civic quarry]

Yes

[tall vapor]

aye. Once ya got java up and runnin yer good to go, basically. The fact that minecraft didn't commit the java crime of embedded x86_64 machine code helps, too

cause yeah, there are java applications that come with non java portions

[civic quarry]

I always thought of Bedrock as the C++ Version of Minecraft

[tall vapor]

I mean it makes sense to have perf critical parts done like that, but still

[civic quarry]

Because I have heard of a C++ Minecraft before

[tall vapor]

it is, but I don't consider it to be minecraft

well

it's minecraft

but it's not what I think of when I think minecraft

lol

[civic quarry]

Hahahah

One is moddable, one is not

[tall vapor]

one randomly kills you, the other one doesn't

the former being badrock, the latter being java

one actually feels right

which be java

hate that they call it "java edition" nowadays

no

it's not "java edition"

it's literally minecraft

/THE/ minecraft

if anything badrock is the one that's an edition

[tawdry orbit]

My explanation for the version is Java is Monjang's Minecraft and Bedrock is Microsoft Minecraft

[tall vapor]

yeah

I mean I do own minecraft badrock on android. Didn't pay a single cent for it though, thanks google play rewards lol

[civic quarry]

So, Microsoft makes a greedy data collecting version of Minecraft?

[tall vapor]

who could've thunketh

[tawdry orbit]

Microtransactions and no* modding

[tall vapor]

yes, microsoft makes the version of minecraft that only works on one out of the 3 common desktop operating systems

[civic quarry]

Linux does not count as Supported

And MacOS also

[tall vapor]

it does

same way that macos does

[civic quarry]

Im on about the Bedrock one

[tall vapor]

so you just reworded what I just said

[tall vapor]

.

[civic quarry]

Ahh

[tall vapor]

I thought you were stilltalkin abt java

cause yeah, the actual minecraft is supported on all 3

[civic quarry]

I am seriously bad at explaining things

[tall vapor]

happens

but yeah. java is the one that works on all 3 common desktop operating systems (which be the 3 that be officially supported) and works on others too if ya want to make it work

badrock? Whelp, it works on your phone. And on your computer, if windows

badrock works on lin computer too if ya run the android ver, lel. Albeit unofficially

[civic quarry]

The "Minecraft Bedrock Launcher" found in the Software Manager dont count I suppose

That one fetches an APK file from Google

[tall vapor]

not in regards to officially supported, no

[tall vapor]

the mcpe launcher as it used to be called is pretty much a, how do I put this..... some sort of a very minimal android that runs on yer sys and on there mc runs?

so it doesn't just "fetch an apk file"

[civic quarry]

Thats called a Low Level System I think

[tall vapor]

not even that. pretty much just a set of libraries, just enough to make bedrock work on a normal lin sys

[civic quarry]

On Linux, if no Graphics Driver is installed, a LLVM (Low Level Virtual Machine) runs to display.....something on your screen using Software

[tall vapor]

no

that's literally not what llvm stands for

I mean yes

it does stand for that

but

LLVM is a compiler toolchain thingie.

that's it

[civic quarry]

I see

[tall vapor]

your mesa/radv? That's also compiled using LLVM

[civic quarry]

Interesting

[tall vapor]

mesa also contains software rendering drivers, which are used when you don't have an actual driver

that's p much how that whole setup be worky

[civic quarry]

So, since I am using Intel Mesa Drivers, what am I actually using to play games at a acceptable framerate?

I have no idea

[tall vapor]

you just said it yourself

"intel mesa drivers".... that's the central blue box in that graphic. the one labelled "mesa3d"

😅

[civic quarry]

Ohhhh

[tall vapor]

the DRM thing it connects to is the direct rendering manager, got nothing to do with the DRM that we don't like 😅

[civic quarry]

Ahh

[tall vapor]

amdgpu (the in kernel part) is at that DRM spot, basically

[civic quarry]

A new Paper fork arrived

[tall vapor]

it gets worse, how nice

[civic quarry]

How worst?

[tall vapor]

paper do be breaking lots of things. And like.... perf wise you can literally do better with a normal server /w fabric/quilt that got some basic mods

[civic quarry]

Oh damn

[tall vapor]

but I guess where paper has an edge is in terms of the ability to strip features so hard that you can press 200 players onto a single server that be hosted on some dell optiplex from 2012. There might not be much minecraft there no more at that point, but eh commercial server operators be happy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjjXYrMK4qw (not promotion, just an on topic video abt how paper breaks things when it comes to minecraft)

[civic quarry]

I dunno why, but I just am not assed to download Minecraft from the Microsoft Store

Just go straight to downloading Modrinth, slap Sodium on there with the Minecraft Install and just play

Just that one video alone, makes me want to pick Fabric as a Framework

[marsh helm]

new elgato xlr is interesting

[jaunty fulcrum]

For a time they also gave all windows Java users the bedrock version for free via a code. I believe these days if you buy one you get both.

[tall vapor]

the bedrock you get when you buy java is the windows one, tho

i got that one too, cause they handed it to all java owners as they thought that that would make folk switch to it. Hah, no. I ain't even got a windows machine anymore

[jaunty fulcrum]

Yeah 😅

Funny enough there is a server plugin that allows connecting from bedrock to a Java server, but consoles don't just allow arbitrary servers. And the user name handling is separate

Bedrock versioning is also entirely separate

[tall vapor]

Yeah like I think actually connecting to the servers works via a proxy/custom dns? So you tell the game to hop onto "hypixel", but no actually that's not hypixel at all but rather a server chooser menu!

[violet valve]

[jaunty fulcrum]

it can, but in my testing it was highly dependent on the selected proxy. i tried a list of 3, and the only one that worked was an Australian one (ie. near me).

[cunning pine]

I think it's absurd they don't let you do manual servers in console version of bedrock.
only PC (assuming mobile is the same as console)

yeah, back in the day when it was called Windows 10 Edition, as a Java owner I got a free copy to redeem from the MS Store.
Nowadays if you buy one you get both I think, and if you have Game Pass you get them as well.

[opaque halo]

so.. I'm about to do something crazy... to possibly help out with those Streaming / Recording of MC. Where's the best place to start with installing and learing about MC???

[prisma dove]

NOOOOOO!

[cunning pine]

first, just install it.
second, play it.

If you care to start messing around with mods, I recommend Fabric these days but some mods depend on Forge instead with no Fabric version or alternative/similar mod for Fabric.
Mods can come from two primary places:
CurseForge and Modrinth.

If messing with third party launchers you're on your own.

[opaque halo]

I promise.. less than 3 hours and it will be uninstalled. Just wanna check out the video settings pretty much

[opaque halo]

Install it from the Microsoft store?

[cunning pine]

or from the Xbox app if you have Game Pass

[terse helm]

while yes, absurd, I think this is a platform restriction?

[cunning pine]

it's the Launcher specifically. You still need to then install the game from the launcher.

If installing Bedrock it's just the one install.
If doing Java edition you get to choose the version of MC you want first which is also how you load mod loaders like Fabric as they install like a MC version and you select it from the list to load it up.

[opaque halo]

I only have a Xbox 360 so would be using PC version. Is game pass required to play MC?

[smoky rapids]

360 version is entirely separate from PC version and not crossplay compatible.

[opaque halo]

Ok. Think I'm just gonna do what I've been doing and suggest they drop their video settings when running on tater computers

[smoky rapids]

[full fern]

Where did you get this photo of my PC?

[sudden adder]

From the makers of Itanium comes "Intel Potanium"

[opaque halo]

plug it in and instant tater tots

granted they will be on the floor, table, walls, ceiling....

[sudden adder]

flip the switch and listen to it spudder

[opaque halo]

just mash it all in there

[copper notch]

If it's from Intel, it'd probably end up as fries. Then they'll spend months silently trying to hash it out.

[cunning pine]

Game pass is not required. Just that if you have game pass you don't have to buy Minecraft. Otherwise you have to buy it

[copper notch]

I just ate like 3/4 pound of slow cooker pork roast for breakfast and man... that was the best breakfast ever.

Even though it is almost 10pm. I know, I know.

[cunning pine]

You're gonna shit good tomorrow

[copper notch]

A double flush triple coiler no doubt!

[sudden adder]

get some fiber powder in you, stat! dont let any of that pork go to waste

[opaque halo]

it's all about the output

[cunning pine]

And Minecraft doesn't really have graphics options. They have two modes:
Shit mode and nice mode.
Decreasing render distance puts less load on the GPU because less voxels to render

But you see less

[copper notch]

Minecraft has a nice mode?

{O.o}

[sudden adder]

I thought it was Java and Decaf

[copper notch]

Technically there was salt, pepper and garlic powder on it, so I'm covered.

[cunning pine]

It's called "fancy" graphics.
Which are the default graphics.
"Fast" graphics are more bland and simplified with things like tree leaf blocks being solid with no transparency and reduced sprite animations and stuff

[amber sparrow]

Glowy lights in bedroom: check

[cunning pine]

[rough kayak]

i have an alt account on Twitch like 95% set up for viewers of my main channel; is there anything i can do to deter people i dont know from following the alt without setting Subscriber Mode?

[wary holly]

@rough kayak "People you don't know"? Twitch is a public platform, there is no feature for unlisting a channel or a broadcast. You could stream on Youtube as an unlisted broadcast, or stream without a category, or stream to a private platform.

[rough kayak]

my response to the first part of that message is if Twitch didnt have exclusivity then Sub Only wouldnt exist, but as for the second part, it isnt so much that i want the stream hidden, its that i dont want people unfamiliar with the alt account stopping in.

Follower Only mode maxes at 3 months

[wary holly]

Twitch has no such features, you'd have to stream elsewhere for that.

[rough kayak]

damn.

kinda tempted to then.

[copper notch]

Since it is a special content meant for existing regulars etc. that you do not want to grow from randoms, YouTube is a much better place IMHO to host it because YouTube lets you have unlisted streams, unlisted videos so you can put VODs on a playlist (and I think unlist the playlist too and just share it on Discord with your community). You can stream up to 4k60 51,000kbps which is 8x the bandwidth of Twitch so way higher quality, and YouTube gives transcoding to all streamers, not just partners. One caveat though, which is on Twitch you max out at 1080p, but if you stream 1080p on YouTube it will look like absolute blurry lego blocks garbage. You need to stream 1440p or 4k native, or upscale your 1080p to at least 1440p on YouTube in order to get a higher quality codec and higher bitrate there. Other than this little quirk, in terms of quality and viewing experience YouTube is best for this type of situation IMHO.

[rough kayak]

thank you for the info!

honestly even in terms of my main account, the only thing stopping me from multistreaming to YouTube is the fact YouTube has a crap emote system, and i last checked in 2022

but this alt account is not Affiliate, meaning no emotes

[civic quarry]

can someone pls help me

my obs is being very slow

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[civic quarry]

Devs should just keep AI out of games

The bundle showed in the screenshot is AI generated

This is fucked up

[marsh helm]

if thats real i would be amazed

[jaunty fulcrum]

sounds real if any of the recent news is anything to go by

[marsh helm]

i was thinking

i think intel cpus will just stop being supported if you have those two gens

some games will just have issues sometimes

very few ppl will ever update bios

they will just nuke themselves

[silver fable]

BIOS updates are not that difficult nowadays.

[marsh helm]

true but we are the minorty

[jaunty fulcrum]

yeah it's so much easier than it used to be

[marsh helm]

most have no idea how

[silver fable]

and with redundancy, you can even mess them up and recover.

[jaunty fulcrum]

laptops install BIOS updates automatically

[marsh helm]

mine didnt do that

that sounds scary

[silver fable]

It's as easy as updating drivers, almost.

[marsh helm]

i wonder if the microcode updates will reduce performance

i hope amd fixes their issues

seems like there was some packaging issues

or that arrow lake has the same issues for power

[civic quarry]

This was painful to watch

Are there any known games working on ARM Architecture?

[silver fable]

Why do you keep watching these obviously painful videos? 🤣

[civic quarry]

Oh, I sure hope so

[civic quarry]

Just so I can roast the dumpster fire that is Windows

[silver fable]

I mean...

[civic quarry]

It also works on Apple ARM chips so I will exclude that game

Whats wrong with a compatibility checker website?

Because thats what I tried to send

[silver fable]

Maybe it's not compatible? 🤣

[civic quarry]

Hahahahha

Good one

Alright Fun Pimps, lemme see the "Improved Vulkan Support" you guys boasted about

[silver fable]

Game seems to run smoother than it did before. Don't remember if I switched to Vulkan, though. Can check in about 10 minutes.

[civic quarry]

I am about to

[livid plover]

of course it will, like all the previous microcode updates has

[copper notch]

Seems very likely IMHO, if the CPUs are getting overvolted sometimes to be faster, that restricting that and pulling it back is going to limit performance. Between that and speculative execution security issue mitigations dropping CPU performance, I have to wonder how many AMD vs. Intel benchmark comparisons are done with all of the security/problem mitigations in place to see the true performance of all of the CPUs. Otherwise people are buying CPUs based on 1st party vendor claims that aren't true after all of their security and stability mitigations are in place. Really misleads people into buying the wrong thing IMHO.

[marsh helm]

well we will know in about a month

but looking at the papers on what the issue is

i dont think you can microcode fix it

only really slow down the damage on new chips

[copper notch]

Yeah, not the oxidation issues

[marsh helm]

and slow down how fast it dies on older already damaged chips

its a common issue according to a few videos i watched

in the industry

[copper notch]

If they're lucky. They really need to do a recall IMHO. This is far worse than the F0:0F bug or the Pentium bad math bug from the 1990s.

[marsh helm]

its going to cause issues for years

if you put the lower wattage in place thats already going to cut 20%

[copper notch]

yup, and will probably put a lot of people off of buying Intel again.

[marsh helm]

20% is an entire generational uplift

[copper notch]

yup

Although that's 4 generations of Intel uplift 🙂

[marsh helm]

and in the future ppl will bring this up as a reason not to even test the unlimited voltage on any intel part

that may be why we are seeing such low scores so far from arrow lake ES leaks

[wary holly]

send help to #windows-support , my attention span can't fit all these people and their issues

[marsh helm]

its capped to 253

[copper notch]

They nuked the top Arrow Lake chip which was supposed to make up for the loss of hyperthreading too, so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out.

[marsh helm]

so for the K

its 125W!

253W is just boost

at least they will suddenly become far more power efficient

[wary holly]

i took too many people at once, i feel like my brain is expanding, and not in a good way

[marsh helm]

hugs

if only i knew how windows worked

[tall vapor]

I seriously don't get why they're nuking SMT2 off of their chips. Like as if they don't know that it's great value for die space when it comes to, ya know, doing things

But ig they can get some perf back by clocking them even higher!

oh wait....

[copper notch]

There are a few reasons from what I understand. One, is the security history of SMT + speculative execution is a horrible nightmare in general but many times more horrible on Intel CPUs, and the mitigations nuke performance significantly. It seems every time they fix one issue hackers find 3 more. I forget the details of the other main reason but IIRC the crux of it was that it introduced a slight performance hit overhead on the chip as a whole and increased latency while also taking up some die space, and Intel at least claims to believe that eliminating SMT now both frees up die space and security problems, and allows them to make the remaining CPU dies faster and lower latency, and that using E-cores they claim will be a better overall solution than hyperthreading was overall as they both ramp up the speed of E-cores and the number of them, and then also with their new "rentable units" feature coming out in the future. All that remains to be seen as to whether it was a good idea or not.

[tall vapor]

spec exec ya do anyway, be it with SMT2 or without

Now.... if ya don't properly clear yer stuff on context switches&such... yeah, that's where issues come in

[copper notch]

The security problems are due to speculative execution in combination with SMT, not just speculative execution on its own.

And trying to find and fix all possible security issues typically adds more silicon and lowers efficiency anyway from what I understand. It is good to experiment with other solutions to see what works out better, but I wouldn't say that Intel is winning any awards in that department in the last few years.

[tall vapor]

whelp, I'm excited to see the first sec issues with arrowlake

cause they undoubtedly be comin

[copper notch]

There were murmurs of potentially going to 4-way SMT in years past but I guess that did not work out well in prototypes or whatever so is dead now IIRC.

[tall vapor]

SMT4 and such is exclusively seen on PPC, iirc

[copper notch]

Well, at least the common path of past security issues is gone so hopefully (for customer's sakes) there are none.

Hopefully Arrow Lake does not have any major flaws or issues as their last several generations had one way or another, as they wont be able to sustain constant setbacks forever.

[tall vapor]

the "issue" is that folk are now actually lookin into sec stuffs, after meltdown&all. Intel gets issues, AMD gets issues, ARM stuffs gets issues...

[copper notch]

yep, but when you look at the big picture they are not equal in number and severity and performance loss caused by mitigations. Intel has a greater number of issues with greater performance impact in their mitigations.

[tall vapor]

Now see that's something where ML stuffs could also come in helpful, as in when it comes to checking over stuff to make sure that there's nothing obvious. CPUs have become so goddamn complex that no human could ever understand it all

And then you got people that focus on making subcomponents, and each subcomponent on it's own is perfectly fine..... but as soon as ya stick them together to make the actual cpu? Whoopsie

undoubtedly they're already using it, but yeah. Needs to get better

It no doubt points out the obvious stuff already, but yes

Obv not saying that we should go back to CPUs without branch prediction without no anything. That'd be ridiculous

Some people do be saying that, that we should go back to "proper CPUs"... uh, iirc the last "proper" CPU was the 486, wasn't it?

[copper pasture]

I wouldn't mind that

those things are cool

let's go back to playing Tyrian and Sim City, things were fine back then

[grizzled sentinel]

how do i make my quality 936p60 Source

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[tall vapor]

yah no. I was poking fun at the silly people that think that we should still be making "proper" CPUs that can be used for what we expect these days. Uh no. That thing would be the size of yer entire computer most likely and it's power consumption would be measured in terms of "a couple kilowatts"

[copper pasture]

Hang on, let me spin up the fission generator so I can show you my spreadsheet

[jaunty fulcrum]

Fission generator offline.

[copper notch]

Pong Kombat! Purple Paddle.... WINS... Fatality

[amber sparrow]

Me want

[livid plover]

forbidden american fruit

[amber sparrow]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7JkpqEA3re/?igsh=cGhjdGY2N3o2NWp3
Found his insta. It's pretty damn clean

[copper notch]

Just observed in the backyard.ai Discord server that their support channel, whenever someone posts a new message, it automatically creates a new thread for each inquiry, and it seems quite organized for managing multiple simultaneous support issues without them intermingling. Pretty neat way of doing it, but custom bot I presume. Not sure if it just does that for every post or AI determines if it is an inquiry or what.

Scrolling back many pages it seems each post causes a bot generated thread, with no discussion in the main channel, so that seems to work well. Never seen any software with a setup like that on Discord but it seems like a pretty cool way to do it.

[sudden adder]

a VueJS server I go to has the same thing.

Still looks like it would be a pain to moderate though, since mods would have to enter each and every thread to make sure things are on the up and up

[jaunty fulcrum]

yeah thread moderation has not improved 😦

but we do get mod views for profiles now! those are neat

[karmic tiger]

oh really? how do you access that?

[copper notch]

They seem to do ok there, but it isn't massive volume.

[karmic tiger]

oooh thank you

💜

oh yee it pretty great

[sudden adder]

yee, i wouldnt want to see what happens if Twitch's ingest servers crap out and a flood of "what do i do" comes in. Each getting an auto-generated thread. I dont want to put that evil on @wise bay

[wise bay]

thanks 😄

[sudden adder]

ITS ALIVE! GET THE GUNS

😄

[copper notch]

Not sure if something like this would work well on a large server like this. Backyard.ai seems to get about 4 support requests per day on average, ranging from 1 to 8 or so.

[wise bay]

crawls back in the hole, leaving behind an item that looks suspiciously like a stick of dynamite..

[sudden adder]

same with the VueJS server

[copper notch]

It's more intense here, and a lot of PEBCAK issues and dupes.

[silver fable]

Well, that blows...

[wise bay]

🧨

💥

[shrewd meteor]

@wise bay how do i add a transparent live chat in obs

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[shrewd meteor]

you crap

[opaque halo]

This is a support type question. Head to a support channel 🙂

[shrewd meteor]

ok

[opaque halo]

The bot does not respond to questions. It's triggered manually by commands.

[amber sparrow]

Holy F. Just battled a heater install that took me 3 damn hours. I've probably sweat off a couple lbs

[prisma dove]

But you won, right?

[amber sparrow]

I ALWAYS win. Sometimes I lose a piece of my soul in the process though

Now on to install a new salt system for a richie pants at their 8 million dollar vacation home

[prisma dove]

geez

[copper notch]

I just installed a salt system too. A half teaspoon of salt in my mouth. 🙂

[civic quarry]

Well well well Intel, you have been cooking I see

[shrewd meteor]

hi

[civic quarry]

[opaque halo]

Seems to be something going on with Twitch's South America ingest.

[prisma dove]

I blame the Olympics

[sterile flower]

throws it into the hole

[sterile flower]

https://tenor.com/view/frankenstein-its-alive-gif-10618052

Embed fail, laugh at this user