off-topic

[sweet anchor]

So I just tried not to do that 😐

I mean, that's also more requirements than just "144hz" 😄

[tall vapor]

fair fair 😅

[sweet anchor]

Suddenly its 27", 1440p, and twice the hz with good panel n stuff

[sudden adder]

i havent had issues with my monitor dupe (120 on one, 60 on the dupe) when it comes to capturing, but I have run into a lot of games that refuse to load or work properly when im duing monitor duplication.

[tall vapor]

it wouldn't be twice the hz if 144Hz displays were capable of doing proper 120Hz (or proper 60Hz, for that matter)

or proper 30...

[sweet anchor]

I did see they started having fairly cheap IPS panels for gaming budget monitors.. I wonder if that's like.. worth it, or if its the runt of the litter panels 😄

[sudden adder]

(side note, holy crap i just cant type today)

[sweet anchor]

This was, to be fair, like 6 yrs ago

Thing's couldve changed.

[tall vapor]

and that's like where it starts to get really noticable. Might not be as noticable when runnin at 120, but when ya got 60 or even 30fps content.... yike

[sudden adder]

fair, and mine is still 100% relavent. which is why i need to normalize things so i can passthru 120, but capture at 60

[sweet anchor]

I just wrote to be hair, so dw bout it.

I honestly don't know what I'll do in the future. It's like a compounding issue with Table space => Monitor stand that can fit 27" monitors => Price of decent monitors => wanting 3 monitors.

Has just kept me at 144, 24" x3 - because I can't not have 3 monitors anymore.

Too used to it >.>

[amber sparrow]

Bandicam is trash but if it works for you...enjoy

[sudden adder]

enjoy my Letterkenny meme for you

[amber sparrow]

One of the best shows ever

You watch shoresy rob?

[sudden adder]

i need to rewatch it, its been so long

[amber sparrow]

3rd season just came out a couple weeks ago

[wary holly]

I concur, I used to do that too.

[karmic tiger]

you can create some pretty cool droste stuff with projectors too

[civic quarry]

So

I told Copilot about my "balanced" monetization flow for a future-but-may-not-exist streaming platform like Twitch and this is its feedback

I am no platform expert so I am talking a bunch of crap

[sudden adder]

time to run to walmart to see if they have any silica gel for my 3D printer filament. The heat and humidity has been terrible, and i need to keep this stuff as dry as i can

[opaque halo]

Damprid work?

[civic quarry]

Jesus Christ, LM Studio wants all my CPU power? Wtf

Forget streaming while this is running

106% total usage?

Fuck no, get deleted holy fuck

Now I know how expensive AI shit is

[tall vapor]

ideally it'd want a closet full of rtx4090 cards

[civic quarry]

now i know how openai and microsoft must feel

[tall vapor]

oh I think that this says more abt how nvidia feels

[civic quarry]

yea

Where was this program when I was still on windows. god dammit i hate myself for not knowing sooner

[opaque halo]

Programs like this can wreak havoc on your OS. I'd rather have control over what's being deleted than trusting some 3rd party software to "purge" things.

[tall vapor]

Well now you don't need it no more as you don't have bulk crap to begin with 😅

[civic quarry]

hahahahha

[copper notch]

What is your CPU, GPU, RAM, and VRAM, and do you have it configured to use GPU offloading? What context-length is configured?

[civic quarry]

The settings there were all default

As for my specs

[copper notch]

LLMs are made to run on a GPU ideally. Technically they can run on the CPU, but it will be very slow. If you're using default settings then you wont be using GPU offloading and yes it will be slow. The speed also depends on which model you choose, what quantization level it is and how it is configured.

I'm running LM Studio on a quad core Intel 7700HQ laptop with NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) graphics, no AI/ML acceleration, GPU offload with CUDA.

LM Studio isn't really made for end users that want a push button experience, it is made for more technical users and has to be tweaked a lot to get the ideal setup. If you want more of a push button experience, try something more like Backyard.ai or Jan.

However keep in mind, all LLM software requires at least a little bit of configuration to be optimal on a given system.

[civic quarry]

Gotcha

[copper notch]

And integrated graphics are not supported. A real GPU is required, preferrably NVIDIA, however AMD GPUs using ROCm (Radeon 6800 and higher/newer) works well also. Intel unsupported.

[civic quarry]

My GTX 1650 sadly kicked the bucket

So I am stuck with integrated graphics until i can get that RTX 3050 I wanted

[tall vapor]

I love how you seem to have swapped username&hostname 😅

[civic quarry]

Yea

[copper notch]

Yeah, unfortunately Intel doesn't have good AI support on their end yet, and not a lot of LLM/AI software support Intel. OpenCL is an option for some hardware but I dunno if that works on Intel at all for this or not.

OpenCL is faster than CPU but slower than CUDA or ROCm if it works.

[tall vapor]

I be ROCm-ing blender stuffs on a 5700xt. Not optimal, but it works

hopin obs backgroundremoval will ship with rocm support included soon

cause rn it /CAN/ be made to run with a patchset in combo with yer own onnxruntime build, but yeah that's major annoy

[copper notch]

I think you can use CUDA with ZLUDA in Blender too

[tall vapor]

never played around with that, personally. And well.... it's still a 5700xt 😅

though you made me think of somethin

can I

can I zluda obs backgroundremoval?

[copper notch]

In theory. ZLUDA is a bit hit and miss from what I've heard, works with some things and not with others.

[tall vapor]

ye ye

[sudden adder]

Ah yes, The Legend of ZLUDA

[copper notch]

LOL

[tall vapor]

okay so apparently I don't quite understand as for how to set the ld library path thingie? Cause it complains abt Model not initialised and that usually points to libcudnn.so.8 not being there. or do I need some other dep

[copper notch]

I've never used ZLUDA personally, just aware it exists

[tall vapor]

kay no, that's not it

if it didn't find libcudnn.so.8 the message would be a different one. cause then it'd complain bout that outright 😅

aaaaahhh, got it

yeah zluda doesn't provide a lib that would be needed

well then

[civic quarry]

I feel like going back to Linux Mint but enable that misworded "Disabled Unverified Flatpaks by default" nonsense

[tall vapor]

or..... or you could just chill for a second

[civic quarry]

Ok, I will, I did not mean to sound frustrated in a way

[tall vapor]

Oh nono, wasn't meant like that. was more of a "please chill before distrohopping once more, especially if it's just for a joke"

[civic quarry]

ohh ok hahahah

[tall vapor]

distrohopping all the damn time might seem funny at first, but yeah by now I got a 3 tiered system and that's it. Arch on WS, Fedora on them thinkpads and debian on nas. thinkpads&ws all be runnin plasma, nas ain't got no desktop to begin with

[civic quarry]

I see

[tall vapor]

those thinkpads used to run debian, and then arch, then suse, then debian once more before then hopping on to fedora

wasn't for the purposes of fun, but rather due to annoy 😅

[civic quarry]

Do I even need the Swap part? I do not even think I use it for anything

[tall vapor]

okay, that is a bit, uh, large

[tawdry orbit]

My distro journey was pretty quick... Debian (tooo stable) > Arch (too unstable) > Nix (¯_(ツ)_/¯)

[civic quarry]

Yea, excessively large

Thats why I keep asking why my Debian Gnome installation is heavier on disk space

[tall vapor]

never really distrohopped on desktop to begin with. Arch has been me WS main for many years by now, and Debian has been me stable main for years by now as well. But ye, on the laptops debian was too stable (old), and arch was unwarranted due to those not being machines where I always need the latest stuff anyway. So I tried suse leap on those, but yeah no it suse-d too much so I yeeted it before moving them back to debian for the intermin. Those later got moved on to fedora

[civic quarry]

I guess I too fell into the trap of distro hopping

[tall vapor]

and now arch, fedora and debian are me 3 distros. Chosen depending on usecase and that works just fine

[civic quarry]

Lemme see if I can resize that excessively large swap file

There is no reason for it being large

[tall vapor]

one could say that suse was sus

[tall vapor]

issa swap partition, though. And yeah, you can resize it. Just annoyin to do so if you've never done it before

[civic quarry]

Im willing to learn

[tall vapor]

esp since ya want it to be at the end of the disk, of course

so that you an make / larger

[tawdry orbit]

Swap at least the size of memory is necessary for hibernate (suspend to disk)

[tall vapor]

better to just delete the swap, resize /, and then recreate swap. Just ensure yer fstab is u2d after that (ie actually has the new swap in it and not the old one) and yer done

[tall vapor]

correct

personally on me desktop I just got a 16G swapfile. Works just fine, never gonna hibernate a desktop anyway

and that 16G swapfile is just there in case it's needed

which is rare

😅

so ye, just a "okay yer aren't OOM yet, but things are running slow now" buffer

[civic quarry]

And done

[tall vapor]

yeah, and now you got those 29.57GiB of unallocated space at the end of the drive

[civic quarry]

Anyway I can allocate that?

[tall vapor]

.

some tools can move partitions, sure. But why bother with that when it comes to swap?

and then after the steps described above it'd still be best to regenerate the initramfs so that it has yer fstab as well and the swapspace can be initialised very early in boot. Not needed per se, but having a reference to a partition that doesn't exist no more in there is oof

[civic quarry]

I see

[hearty stirrup]

specifically, gparted is one of the best tools to be using in this situation

you can drag the last partition in its entirety all the way to the end, then expand the main partition to fit the remaining space

[uneven sluice]

New obs~

I guess I should do a backup before updating eh?

Oh, actually, maybe I should wait to update. Plugins and all that

[copper notch]

I generally recommend people wait a month and monitor the help channels and other places people report problems, find out what if any major issues may exist, how it might affect one's setup, as well as checking every single plugin, script, 3rd party app, etc. work before upgrading.

If someone has a super simple setup they might be able to spin the roulette wheel without super major issues, but most people have some level of plugins or other stuff that could randomly break, especially if they aren't following the development cycle, betas, problem reports etc.

Pretty much all of my friends and others that know me have disabled auto-updates and always ask me when they should update. I help them navigate all their plugins n stuff to figure out when it would be a good time to do the update, as well as factoring in new features/functionality and risk management.

Once someone's setup goes beyond N level of complexity I tell them to use portable mode and set that up, that way they can try out new versions more smoothly and migrate while mitigating potential disaster scenarios.

[sudden adder]

having a Portable Mode copy of OBS to test out your settings on can be very useful as well

[copper notch]

Agreed, but that's a bit too complex for the average person too.

[sudden adder]

can be, though i think i did a fairly good job describe it to fellow streamers when I was at St Jude Summit, and the moment I got to the part about duplicating the folder to test plugins or updates, their eyes opened like Puss n Boots from Shrek

[copper notch]

The more casual someone is with their use, and especially if it is not part of their income stream, they can afford to muck around a bit more, but if anyone relies on their stream etc. for making money, it's generally better to avoid upgrading until the benefits outweigh the potential or known risks/problems.

The new chapter marker feature will be useful for my buddy so we're going to test that out soon.

[copper notch]

Yeah, I dunno what percentage it would be, but a lot of people do not understand the filesystem on their computer or how to interact with files and directories very well, or the terminology etc. because they've never had to do it before very much. It can be quite daunting.

And forget talking to people about symbolic links, hard links, junction points (or bind mounts in Linux)... that's total deer in the headlights action. 🙂

[sudden adder]

thats why I use a BAT file, it supports relative paths 😄

[copper notch]

The KISS principle is generally good for people to follow IMHO.

[sudden adder]

case by case basis really, if they seem like they can handle the complexity, its a boon. if not, hope they dont mess things up terribly with the regular install

once i understood Portable Mode mode, i havent went back to directly installed copies

relatively recent addition was a backup BAT file that, within about 10 seconds, can make a ZIP backup using Store mode (no compression) and toss it to my ssd

[copper notch]

Yeah, I came up with an idea for using filesystem notification of modified files as a script running in the background, and when it is notified that any of the JSON etc. config files changed, it commits the changes into a git repository. This way if the OBS configuration profiles, scene collections etc. ever get nerfed by some glitch or plugin malfunction, it is easy to revert the config changes back to a prior working version.

I told the idea to Xaymar a few years ago and he liked the idea enough to create a python script to implement it. I misplaced the script so I don't have a copy handy anymore. Think it is on my old dead PC to dig up sometime. If I can't find it I might reach out to him sometime and see if I can get another copy. Been probably 5 years or so.

[jagged osprey]

i dont even use obs idk why im here

[copper notch]

I had the idea back when OBS had a lot of scene collection corruption issues sometime in the 23-24.x era IIRC

[cunning swan]

Good people, how is your day going or how did it go?

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[opaque halo]

Went fancy this morning. Spinach, onion, bacon, cheese, mushroom crustless quiche

[hybrid stream]

lets go!

[lilac stag]

Good Morning everyone.
How are you?
Hope you all had amazing weekend and fresh new week is here. If you did play Pokémon GO: Global Fest this weekend, hopefully you caught some good Pokémon's.

[full fern]

Wonderful! Nothing like a good quiche!

[opaque halo]

between my wife and I - 1/2 gone. Rest will disappear tomorrow morning 🙂

[civic quarry]

OMG I'm almost at 200 subscribers on YouTube! 🎉 🎉

[opaque halo]

What's with the sudden surge of using OpenGL? Some YouTuber just release a "best of" pushing OpenGL ???

[full fern]

LOL, that's what I was just thinking!

#windows-support message

[full fern]

There's been a bunch of "no GPU driver" folks too. Related? hmmm

[opaque halo]

seen "no GPU driver" as well as "Visual Studio missing"

[full fern]

That too. I suspect general fuckery haha

[opaque halo]

For the Visual Studio - guessing users not keeping that up to date

[wary holly]

Most of my previous "no gpu driver" cases were overzealous a/v software or ???, the former was fixable by removing it and the ??? was sometimes fixable by creating a new Windows user account, now we have a lot more ??? cases, do I try to solve them with new user accounts?

[opaque halo]

New user accounts seems a bit of a stretch for OBS support

[wary holly]

It's helped before, and creating a new offline account is relatively quick (compared to moving everything over).

[full fern]

Why are there so many ways to use OpenGL?

[tall vapor]

cause it's a graphics API

that is in wide use, and will proceed to be for decades to come if we're gonna be brutally honest. Most things don't need the perf benefits that VK for example would provide, it's simpler to implement and like one of the biggest things abt it is literally the only one that works natively on win, lin AND mac

[full fern]

Ah, thx!

There's another no GPU just popped up

[tall vapor]

yeah it appears that some really smart antivirus doohickey be deleting graphics drivers. How sweet

or windows update broke it

[full fern]

This latest person has only defender. Hmmm

[tall vapor]

okay, then that'd point towards windows update

[wary holly]

obs-studio only asks the OS "which a/v products are installed?" and trusts the answer, not every a/v product will add itself to the list, and some will prevent the inquiry altogether, returning an empty list.

[tall vapor]

and that

[tall vapor]

okay so the interesting thing abt those cases after looking at it: all intel cpus, but the logs report the basic display adapter running on a 7700X

what's goin on there?

ah kay, that's just the log analyzer being borked. nvm

[opaque halo]

Yeah - there's a pattern... somewhere.. I just haven't had time to figure it out

[tall vapor]

but yeah. My guess would be either av, or windows update

[opaque halo]

For now it feels like plugging holes that keep popping up

[tall vapor]

would be interesting to see if there's some consistency in regards to the graphics card they actually /do/ have

cause then.... yeah, av deletin it or win update downloaded driver update that be borked

[full fern]

And all these VC Redist issues too. Busy day

[hybrid stream]

Grind time!

[drowsy mason]

If these all started happening shortly after a Tuesday ("Patch Tuesday") that could help point to a Windows Update. (Probably not that helpful, but it's a thought.)

[civic quarry]

I read about this Zero Copy Hardware Encoding update. It does sound like an optimization thing.

Its too bad Intel Graphics are not supported

Is AMF still a thing?

[livid plover]

abselutely!

if you mean AMD's HW encoder

[civic quarry]

Is it all up to date?

[civic quarry]

Yes that

[livid plover]

of course it is

[civic quarry]

Oke

[dusky swift]

https://x.com/AFalsePrayer/status/1812560044484935845?t=ZOUBxkdzyAXd9CNe7ale5Q&s=19

[tall vapor]

what.

[civic quarry]

The Zero Copy Hardware Encoding feature in OBS 30.2.0

[tall vapor]

that's literally wrong though. it's available on vaapi, qsv and nvenc

[tall vapor]

https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/pull/10124 qsv
https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/pull/10137 vaapi
https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/pull/10133 nvenc

[civic quarry]

I might as well be honest: I thought using Copilot with web searching was a good idea to trust since I was too lazy to search it myself

[tall vapor]

stop. trusting. LLM/AI. Junk.

[civic quarry]

OK ok, I sorry XD

[livid plover]

LOL no wonder you got mislead af

[civic quarry]

I know, I know. Im stupid

[livid plover]

yeah AI is stupid

[left heart]

fuse that shit off your cpu

[civic quarry]

Hahhahahah

[tall vapor]

nobody said that. Just..... stop trusting those glorified autocomplete thingies 🙃

[civic quarry]

Ok, ok I wont use AI for web searching again

[tall vapor]

one of many steps towards salvation. Hope you can recover from the AI virus soon 😔

[civic quarry]

I dont understand why I am this lazy

[left heart]

text generation is exactly that, just generation. if you're looking for real information you don't generate it

[tall vapor]

at this point I'm honestly convinced that the text prediction me bogstandard phone keyboard has is smarter than gpt4

Which I mean makes sense. At the end of the day they're the same thing really, they both ain't got no intelligence whatsoever.... it's just that gpt4 got way more data to deal with and ain't got no clue what that means

[left heart]

it also lines up with good use cases, too. you are the person deciding what ends up in the text box rather than the machine

[tall vapor]

whereas phone text prediction got a specific purpose and it's purpose explicitly isn't to generate entirely new text but rather just to be helpful

[tall vapor]

ikr?

Me phone keyboard even remembers things I wrote eons ago

gpt4 doesn't know what it wrote 6 messages back

[civic quarry]

Sweet Performance. Recording with Quicksync H264.

Only 0.8% at 1080p 30FPS

New update is sooo good

[livid plover]

but that 0.8% is CPU, not encoder load

[civic quarry]

Ah

[sudden adder]

nor does it count any browser sources

[livid plover]

does it even count the x264 load?

[sudden adder]

not sure

[sudden adder]

btw, did that percentage number actually go down with this release compared to what Task Manager shows? Because it always seems to be way lower now than the actual obs64.exe process in TM (the nested one, not the aggregate with the browser sources)

[civic quarry]

I followed the recommended Youtube streaming settings

[sudden adder]

4000 kbps is pretty low, since YT supports up to 51,000 kbps

[amber sparrow]

It does

[civic quarry]

I do not believe I have the hardware for higher bitrate.

[sudden adder]

sure you do

[civic quarry]

I could be talking complete nonsense with that response

[livid plover]

higher bitrate doesn't matter much for encoder load

[sudden adder]

id imagine it could be a little less as well since it wouldnt have to compress as hard, but I could also be very incorrect with that thought

[civic quarry]

This is what I normally use

[full fern]

What's your upload speed?

[civic quarry]

Hang on

Test via Ookla

10Mbps for 1080p 30FPS using H264. Oke dokey, lets use that

[livid plover]

double/triple it

[civic quarry]

So, 20k?

Alright

And done

[silver fable]

YouTube, <1440p, re-encoding is gonna destroy it. 🙂

[civic quarry]

I was told to double it

So i did

[silver fable]

I assume you don't record?

[civic quarry]

No, I stream only

[stiff ginkgo]

I see that there's no just "complain" channel:
the fact that a new settings profile isn't generated automatically, or you're not prompted with the option to generate one / switch between them when making a new scene collection / profile is painful :(

[civic quarry]

Which is why I said "I followed the recommended streaming settings for Youtube"

[sudden adder]

What do you mean by automatically. When you first start OBS you have a profile. If you want a new profile, you go to the menu and make a new one.

[silver fable]

I just saw the "same as stream" recording setting and internally cringed. LOL

[civic quarry]

Hahahahha

[tall vapor]

it really isn't, that would just annoy the folk that /don't/ want to have separate settings for separate scene collections

[civic quarry]

Nah, that shits for 30 second replay buffers for making Clips

[tall vapor]

I do like for them to be different things, but I can also see the appeal behind some sort of a "if there's a scene collection that is named the same as a profile then if scene collection is switched to that one switch the profile to the one of the same name as well" functionality

[civic quarry]

6 subscribers away from 200!! 🎉 I don't think they is sub bots or alts subbing to me this time! 🙂

Damn, GG

yup

[civic quarry]

I hope you have an extra extra special summer holiday everyone! 🙂 and I will look forward to talking to you all again soon. Byeee! 👋

[civic quarry]

Yea, I am lowering the bitrate. Got my first disconnection to such high bitrate

[sudden adder]

Remember to double check your transparent PNGs

[full fern]

Every time LOL

[civic quarry]

That hit me on a personal level

Its soo damn true hahaha

[sudden adder]

I end up looking at the preview like “does that grid look like its part of the image, or is it an underlay by google?

[civic quarry]

https://store.steampowered.com/points/shop/event/sale_fighting_games

[jagged osprey]

i use remove.bg to remove the backgrounds

[full fern]

Gorgeous!

[opaque halo]

Arizona or the Bad Lands?

[silver fable]

The former

[full fern]

New Austin in Red Dead?

[civic quarry]

what would yall say are some of the most popular things of twitch in like 2013 era? stuff like frankerz song and the whole spamming raise your dongers?

[open rune]

When was crazy screaming Korean StarCraft guy

[sudden adder]

I just remember watching a bit of Day9 and ManVsGame then

And streaming PlanetSide 2

[civic quarry]

Gonna try Ventoy and see if it can makw my life easier.

[tall vapor]

it absolutely can, yes.

[civic quarry]

Please for the love of god. I hate going on a Slow ass HDD laptop JUST to fix Windows

Fuck me, Microsoft should just kill the damn thing

[civic quarry]

Should I get the ISO or Zipped version?

[tall vapor]

zipped, that contains the tool that puts it onto a drive. The iso is meant as a chainloader for machines that can't boot off of usb, iirc

[civic quarry]

Got it

And then just extract it on the Flashdrive?

[tall vapor]

no. You run the tool that's in the zip. That repartitions the drive, makes it bootable&installs Ventoy. Then a new drive named "ventoy" will pop up on your machine and that's the partition that you copy your isos, yer efi payloads and such to

[civic quarry]

Oke dokey

[tall vapor]

the files to do it manually are in the zip as well obv (those be the ones the tool uses, after all), but ye..
no need to bother

[tall vapor]

and why would you need to do that? When yer going to the official
windows download site while you're not on a windows machine they just hand you the iso anyway

[civic quarry]

The ISO flashing tools on Linux is, how do I put this? Full of shit

And I am more then happy to redo everything 🙂

I got loads of free time so I am not bothered

Hooking Windows onto GRUB and then reinstalling your Linux Distro WILL make the Windows unbootable.

Im not touching GRUB again.

[tall vapor]

you just copy the iso onto your ventoy drive. or if not doing ventoy..
format a drive as fat32, set it's bootable flag, and extract the contents of the iso onto it

[tall vapor]

no it literally won't, per se. if you wipe your efi partition? sure. But that ain't got anything to do with GRUB, that got everything to do with you wiping the partition on which them bootloaders sit 💀

as for lin becoming unbootable when Windows updates it's bootloader... that has to do with windows not wanting to coexist with other operating systems. I can have a stack of different Linux systems and BSDs on the same exact drive if I want to and it's fine.

[civic quarry]

omg, the 195 subscribers were real subscribers which means I'm only literally 5 away from hitting 200 long as nobody uses alts to subscribe! 🙂

i opened the switch boards for wiring inverter,battery
I am bit confused now 🤔

[tall vapor]

u. don't. touch. that.

[civic quarry]

Please do not do a ElectroBOOM

[clear phoenix]

lol be careful u can do boom

[civic quarry]

i turned off main supply. i need to do wiring for inverter

[tall vapor]

feel free to get yourself blown up with yer "idk what I be doin", I won't stop you

[civic quarry]

damn my plus box doesnt have fuse .
I need to buy a board which has a fuse or else boom

its fine i often open desktop psu and touch capacitors too

[livid plover]

Way different beast to AC house wiring

Okay halt right there tho, why are you even tearing into the wall wiring. It has plugs on it.

[civic quarry]

I am setting up my inverter and battery in hall and pulling a wire into bedroom .

actually my flat has generator connection to few switches so i am checking them.

I dont want to mix up generator and inverter wiring

[livid plover]

Seems like simplest/safest to just run it as UPS and connect all you want to keep alive to it with a power bar? Or is that not a normal socket on the back of it

[vernal current]

I'm so wet right now 💦💦💦

[livid plover]

atleast you're not boiling hot for once 😛

[civic quarry]

Finally its done guys .
No more power cut issues ^_^ .
I can happily play games and record without having any data corruption .
I was tired of installing OS often

[vernal current]

I exchanged heat for rain

Drenched from head to toe

[vital pewter]

Looking for people with coding knowledge
will pay you
want to code a spwoofer from scratch
dont waste my time, important business only

[stable forge]

Fuck is a spwoofer?

[vernal current]

srs bzns only

[livid plover]

not sure you can code a subwoofer(?) lol

[wary holly]

More likely a spoofer.

[livid plover]

sp-uwu-fer

[stable forge]

Jesus, imagine calling a spoofer a spwoofer

[copper notch]

Imagine not knowing AI can code for free. 🙂

[livid plover]

can it tho

or is it just stealing and pasting snippets off stackoverflow

[terse helm]

and prepare for several cycles of "this code doesn't compile, please fix it", "this code doesn't do what I asked, please fix it", "this code wiped my hard drive, please fix it"

[livid plover]

please return my data

[stable forge]

Or it just inventing powershell commands

[opaque halo]

@stable forge - I'm just waking up 🙂 I'm old and need my beauty rest so I'm normally in bed by 10 PM

[stable forge]

Wish I could do that. Brain rot got to me

In bed by 10:30PM. Asleep at 1AM

[opaque halo]

Understandable. I got a few brain goblins that occasionally love to start a party just about the time I'm going to sleep

[livid plover]

it's rough at times, but i've come to terms with jsut needing to run myself entirely out of energy before goign to bed, so bit before midnight and i get my 6 hours solidly

[opaque halo]

BTW Naruske - been pretty impressed with your knowledge of OBS 🙂

[stable forge]

I fucked around with it for so much back in 2018. Rest is logical thinking and googling

Most of my knowledge is still dated

And my audio support is also mostly from running into the same issues!

Right now it's pretty stable because of my rodecaster and stream pc

[opaque halo]

Most of what I know I've learned here (or tried to). My stream is VERY simple. Basic audio and just two webcams 🙂

[stable forge]

Simple is clean. Clean is good. Good is quality

[opaque halo]

yup.. can send 1920x1080 to Twitch as there is very little movement

[stable forge]

Yeah I was thinking about rescaling to 936p. Most of my content is fast paced

Or I can just hope that they'll update bitrate and av1 encoding tomorrow. And I do that every day 🥲

[opaque halo]

[civic quarry]

!TEB

[wise bay]

For more information on the Twitch Enhanced Broadcasting beta, please check out Twitch's help article or the Discord server.

[wary holly]

Worst of both worlds, you incur the quality loss from scaling and quality loss from h264's overhead, downscale to 720p instead, or don't.

[stable forge]

Really? I always found 936 to be a bit smoother

I've been watching summit so much

[livid plover]

very much a subjective thing from person to person, some also do.. 864p i think?

[civic quarry]

me = 720p 60fps for 6k bitrate

[stable forge]

1.1TB Disney slack dump. Full devbuild leaked from warhammer 40k space marine 2

What a day

[opaque halo]

OUCH

[uneven sluice]

Ooh

[drowsy mason]

Did someone say... Simple and Clean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1nDzB1P8GM 🎶

[full fern]

With all the neat tools and plugins I have learned about here, my stream setups have gotten more complicated than I intended LOL

[opaque halo]

Same - I made mine so complicated that I was spending more time tweaking things than streaming. I went back to my "simple" mode and life is a LOT easier.

[stable forge]

It's a slippery slope

I've had the same with WoW and addons

[sweet anchor]

WeakAuras... oh boy.

[left heart]

1a2a3afou?

[stable forge]

STOP

[left heart]

that was... a while ago

[stable forge]

Bringing ptsd

[sweet anchor]

Play the game or... spent 4 hrs figuring out how to rig the WeakAura to show what you want, how you want it, where you want it? Let's get rigging.

[stable forge]

I swear I have s o many hours editing my UI

It isn't even funny

I start editing UI, gf goes to work, gf comes back from work 8hrs later, almost ready hun

[sweet anchor]

And everytime something new releases, you get the joy having to add things, change things - or fix things that broke due to it

[stable forge]

Oh fuck forgot to make dinner

HAHAHA STOP

[left heart]

heck, I'm pretty sure 1a2a3afou predates twitch even

[stable forge]

Why am I like this

[uneven sluice]

I'm quite fond of my streaming set up, but now I'm going to have to figure out how to get it set up for vr

[stable forge]

I'm eyeing the nerd or die stream package, I lack the creativity to make something myself

But that stuff looks cool, using one right now too

[wary holly]

I never liked meta streaming assets, like generic "brb" video renders. It only looks special if it's been custom-made, preferably by you, otherwise it looks worse than adding a text source that says "brb".

"behold, the video that took me no effort to make, for i didn't make it, nor was it made for me"

[opaque halo]

I have a background with just a simple BRB that scrolls text... and a 3 second loop of "elevator" type music 🙂

[copper notch]

Depends on which LLM one uses how good the results will be. Claude 3.5 I believe is considered the best at coding presently. One may need to have any LLM iterate to fix issues in the generated code. It still helps people to code faster which is why it is being used so broadly. If someone's expections are "Hey AI, write this thing for me and get it right the first time with no bugs or problems whatsoever." and their response to any problems that arise are "see, AI sucks it can't write production code on the first try, it's just stealing from Stack Overflow" then they fundamentally misunderstand what the purpose of using an LLM for coding is.

Having said that, there are new models using MoA (Mixture Of Agents) which have been discussed in recent months, which combine a bunch of LLMs together like a team for solving problems, and software development is one of the areas being explored. The AI takes the prompt and it gets broken down and sent to different LLMs which iterate on the problem and test their results, fix bugs/problems and iterate much like a software development team of humans would, and generate better results sent back to the user. I'm not sure if MoA is available as usable open source yet, or whether the hardware requirements are within mortal means, but it shows quite promise.

[civic quarry]

if you are looking for custom overlays that are actually worthwhile, there are quite a few amazing people on fiverr with tons of reviews who do work for relatively cheap prices.

very happy with all the stuff I have gotten, extremely personal to me.

[copper notch]

I know of at least one person (SceneOfAction) who is a self proclaimed non-programmer, who uses AI (Claude 3.5 primarily) to help him write code, and it has enabled him to write code beyond his own personal coding skill level, and get it to work. So AI is definitely useful for writing code. One has to set their expectations accordingly and use the tool for what it is actually good for, not expect super motherbrain results.

[amber sparrow]

SoA is insane

Monty is a damn GOAT

[copper notch]

Also, just about every use case I've seen for AI so far in the last 3 years, models start to be able to do something but it is noticeably flawed and limited in practical use at first. Then in 3/6/9/12 months its capability multiplies fast to the point where it is practically useful for certain use cases, and another 3/6/9/12 months it is significantly better and has a lot of practical use cases despite the fact it may still have flaws.

[copper notch]

Yeah he is. 🙂 I wonder when he's going to release SOAI... 🙂

[amber sparrow]

Has he done an updated "studio tour" since he moved and built the new one?

[copper notch]

It's kind of crazy. He ranted about commercial AI one stream, and I sent him a wall of text about LM Studio and open source AI, free LLMs on Discord, and 2 weeks later he was an LM Studio maniac with SOAI first incarnation. LOL

I don't think so, but the studio seems mostly the same with just lights and whatnot moved around and a darker overall theme.

He should totally make an AI version of himself like Max Headroom sometime, call it Monty Headroom, Max's nephew or something LOL

[copper notch]

Found more info on Mixture Of Agents AI model: https://www.together.ai/blog/together-moa

Their example configuration uses several models, one of which is a 70b model, so that's not going to run on a home PC however, but would work with rented cloud computing.

Still, it looks like it runs on a fraction of the hardware that the big commercial models require.

[civic quarry]

The Windows Part of Hell is done, now I am wondering why my download speed in the Epic Games Launcher cannot be the same as my Steam download speed.

On Steam, I get a maximum ISP allowed 13MB a second on my current Line Plan, but on Epic, thats not the case

[copper notch]

With any download from anywhere, the maximum speed is the speed of the slowest hop between the source and destination hosts. If there is a router anywhere in between that are limiting the speed, that will be the choke point. The only thing one can try to do about it, is if the software allows configuration of the server host to use, or for web downloads, to choose a different mirror or similar to find a download path that has a higher choke point.

Not sure if Epic allows configuration of this, but Steam does.

[civic quarry]

Im gonna say no on the Epic Part, nothing like that in the settings exists

Becuz according to Epic Games and I shit you not "South African Servers are not available as there are no players in that region"

Bullshit

[copper notch]

Yeah, I imagine there will be different levels of connectivity/bandwidth in different regions of the world based on revenue from a given region and the cost of having a CDN set up in the given region. Sucks, but they are struggling to even be profitable at all globally.

[civic quarry]

They should just, not make the game miserable to play

[copper notch]

If it's any consolation, I'm in Canada and have gigabit Internet and get similar speeds to what you're showing.

[civic quarry]

But ignorning that, the closest server Fortnite thinks of my connection is either ME or EU

I mean if Fortnite were to shutdown the next month, I would not suffer a loss considering I do not spend money on a game with devs hating Feedback and its playerbase

But thats a different topic for somewhere else

[copper notch]

I just test installed a game and got a peak of 34MB/s from Epic. Could be the time of day or something. It is usually slower.

[livid plover]

just CDN issues for your location yeah

[copper notch]

About 1/3 of my Internet speed.

[civic quarry]

I believe I came across a Reddit post of someone doing some modification to a Engine XML file

I do not think that would fix the issue

[copper notch]

Oh my bad I thought it was done, it's still going and peaked at 55MB/s

But dropped back down to 20MB/s. It's very inconsistent and all over the place.

[civic quarry]

Yea

Mine is bouncing between 8MB and 10MB

[copper notch]

My review of performance "Dissappointing but not terrible."

[civic quarry]

I agree

[copper notch]

In wall clock time, if I can install a game in less than 10 minutes, irrelevant to size, that's chocolatey good. It only took 2 minutes to install an 8GB game, not terrible.

[civic quarry]

"My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined" shall be my review

[copper notch]

hahaha

[civic quarry]

heheheheh

[copper notch]

I should test Steam and GOG too, although I'm low on disk space now <sigh>

[civic quarry]

I bought a 256GB SSD just for CrowdControl and games that absolutely rejects Proton on Linux

And for CrowdControl, its super worth it

[copper notch]

I've got a 2TB M.2, but got a bunch of crap on it taking up space. I filled up my external drive so am in a spot for a while now. 🙂

[civic quarry]

The original 480GB Crucial SSD is my Linux drive

And yes, I did get my fair share of Linux "insults"

Still not regretting my switch to Linux

[copper notch]

I've been using Linux since 1994, the 1.2.8 kernel.

Slackware was my gateway drug.

40 floppy disks downloaded over a 14.4k modem over 3 days. Good times.

[civic quarry]

Oh yea

[silver fable]

Drive space is something I don't have to worry about for a bit.

[copper notch]

The annoying thing is that I have 42TB of total storage in the house, but always end up in some situation or another that I don't have access to it. Need to gut my computers and update them, as well as get more external storage for backups and stuff.

Been putting health as my priority rather than tech tho.

[civic quarry]

I have been hearing Mixed reactions about this "Streamlabs OBS Plugin" how bad is it?

[livid plover]

recent reactions, or also heard about the old plugin being questionable?

[civic quarry]

I have no clue

[copper notch]

I'm aware of Stream Elements doing questionable things in their plugin in OBS in the past, breaking browser source and other things, but haven't really heard much about the Stream Labs one. Might try searching Discord for "streamlabs plugin" to see what convos come up though.

[terse helm]

I've already heard of the streamlabs plugin breaking multitrack video

[civic quarry]

I somehow doubt the ability to "Add Overlays and Alerts" via a plugin like this

Can you really make those browser source docks rounded corners?

Ahhh ok, I understand the use case here

Basicly Streamlabs Desktop without the bloat

[copper notch]

No experience with it. I know that StreamLabs has their own Discord server though, which might be a better source of information.

[short plume]

hi!

[civic quarry]

hello

Alright, Windows nightmare done and over with

Fuck me

[short plume]

o

kinda wanna make sure is obsproject the official website to download OBS?

[wise bay]

OBS Studio can be downloaded:

• directly from the official OBS Project website: https://obsproject.com/download
• Microsoft Store (Windows)
• Steam (Windows, macOS)
• Flathub (Linux)

[tall vapor]

yes, https://obsproject.com is the official site

[short plume]

oh i didn't know it's on steam and the microsoft store! the more yk ig

[short plume]

that's good bc i was kinda stressing

[copper notch]

It's good that you checked, because there are some scam sites out there pretending to be the official OBS but which are loaded with malware, so coming to the official support to find the right place is smart. 🙂

[short plume]

i actually download it a few days ago

but still wanted to make sure

[copper notch]

Yeah, one can never be too cautious with these things.

[opaque halo]

Personally - I'd suggest the download from the OBS Project site. Easier to manage things IMHO.

[copper notch]

Lot of scammers out there taking advantage of people and software projects.

[civic quarry]

This looks so goddamn stupid but it works hahahahah

[short plume]

i stress to easily

[copper notch]

Fartnite?

[civic quarry]

On Integrated Graphics yes

[opaque halo]

Have patience and take your time with OBS 🙂 It can seem daunting but once you play around with it for a bit then things get easier. We're here to help.

[opaque halo]

!new These guides will help you get started 🙂

[wise bay]

✨ If you're new to OBS Studio:

• follow the Quick Start Guide to set up your first scene and get streaming/recording
• learn more about the interface in the Overview Guide
• follow the Stream Layout Tutorial series to create a stream-friendly layout, including setting up alerts and a chat box

🎞️ If you prefer to learn with videos, check out:

• our OBS Studio Tutorials video series presented by EposVox
• EposVox's OBS Studio Master Class series
• Nerd or Die's How to Stream with OBS Studio series

[unique plaza]

Anybody know if Apple ever fixed the reverse charging to power banks if the power bank has lower power?

[civic quarry]

My city in South Africa, made a game, lets see if they can make me proud

[vernal zealot]

me nither

i downloaded fl studuio

[hearty stirrup]

I did, but it had a brownout to prime the power supply to let the magic smoke out

at-the-wall voltage was in the 83 range just before the power went out

nominal is 120

so yeah, power supply and optical drive fried

non-graceful shutdowns are not fun, and do have a chance of frying stuff

[umbral cove]

why was that message replied to today?

maybe cause its pinned... yeah... me PC still goin strong

[hearty stirrup]

now admittely it hasn't happened to me since

[vestal delta]

Hi- can someone please please please help me with my audio. My viewers can’t hear my in-gameplay(desktop audio). I’m using Elgato 4K and ChatLink Pro.

[hearty stirrup]

but I'm a lot more willing to just yank the power strip off the wall

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[umbral cove]

i use a line filter, or whatever its called

its said to help in said situations

[vestal delta]

No one is helping over there or in audio support

[hearty stirrup]

cross-spamming doesn't fix that

[hearty stirrup]

a voltage drop of 33% or more can't be solved with anything short of a UPS

[vestal delta]

No one is helping in Audio support!

[vestal delta]

Can you?

[hearty stirrup]

you've demonstrated that you don't want to follow server rules, so I won't

[umbral cove]

in those cases the filter + the psu probably works in avoiding damage

[vernal zealot]

hey guys i downloaded fl studio

[glass warren]

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Here is the link to the questionnaire: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScjbrg2YjT7BhOOyzvBfYxRKaQ2sj6ndg6_wfNzcv44HdWRGg/viewform?usp=sf_link.

Thank you very much for the support.

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[uneven sluice]

suspicious.gif

[civic quarry]

[civic quarry]

Just watched a video of why Windows 11 is not used on more PCs. Its tough knowing that potential 240 Million PCs will end up in a landfill knowing they are unable to support Windows 11

In that case, I am re-adding my Windowsn 10 EOL countdown timer

[copper notch]

Such PCs will run Linux, either for the current owner, or the person who buys it used from them.

[silver fable]

I would already call it EoL, since it's no longer receiving major updates. I mean, not really EoL, but you know what I mean.

[civic quarry]

I know

[civic quarry]

Im running Linux on my PC for 3+ Months now and it feels smooth and works just like Windows

[tall vapor]

ms got 2 different EoL dates, basically. One is for features, support for newer hardware and such, and the other is for sec updates

win 10 has been EoL in regards to the first one of those for quite some time now, and will soon be in regards to the second one

The windows VM that I got to do random things like firmware updates of usb devices or configuring a new peripheral that one time that I need to do that.... yeah, that thing is gonna stay on 10 for years to come. F that.

[civic quarry]

May I link the video I watched about this topic?

[tall vapor]

doubt that would contain any new information anyway

[civic quarry]

Ok

[tall vapor]

win 11 is unsupported on a lot of the hardware that win 10 be running on rn

that's likely the entire video summed up in a single sentence 😅

[civic quarry]

Cant you just use Answer files to get rid of some of the roadblocks?

[tall vapor]

oh nono, it's more than that. And they can choose to make your computer stop receiving updates at any moment, and they reserve the right to do so

[civic quarry]

So is the fact with these "Gaming ISO's" I suppose?

PopOS has a new rebuilt Rust-based DE coming up in Alpha

[tall vapor]

of course. Just that those "gaming ISOs" don't actually do anything for gaming purposes (like literally nothing in the best case, worse than stock windows a lot of times even), completely get rid of security features altogether, can ship with malware ootb and can't be updated anyway a lot of times due to stripping out the bloat of having "windows update"

[civic quarry]

Good thing I avoided those sketchy ISOs

[tall vapor]

needless to say..... don't touch those.

[civic quarry]

I wont

[tall vapor]

Cosmic? Ye

[civic quarry]

I never trusted these to begin with

[tall vapor]

Imma just gonna stay one happy campin gal with me plasma, lemme tell ya

[civic quarry]

Thank god Nvidia hired the guy behind the Nouveau drivers

Driver 555 brought improved Wayland support

[jaunty fulcrum]

I had horrific luck with the nouveau driver. Much prefer the one on nvidia's site

[tall vapor]

hopefully he actually gets to work on the nvidia-open setup that is being worked on and doesn't end up havin to spend his time on the blob

[tall vapor]

Yeah that's due to nvidia always having said "nope" in the past, so nouveau did what it could

[civic quarry]

You do not use the Nouveau drivers, its not suitable for gaming. I always opted for the proprietary drivers becuz I did research before making the Switch to Linux

[civic quarry]

Atleast AMD was not an asshole with Linux support

[tall vapor]

rn there seems to be a shift going on with nvidia with their whole gsp thing, which also makes things like NVK etc etc possible, but that is only really workable on 20 series cards and up. Meanwhile 9 series cards, 10 series cards will basically end up being ready for the landfill once support from the sides of nvidia gets canned for those

[civic quarry]

How is it that I can tell DXVK to limit a framerate of a game on Linux, but on Windows, it sometimes dont work as intended

[tall vapor]

I got an r7 260x that I use sometimes as a "I just need to get this system up and running" thing and that's it. Still gets fully u2d drivers&everythin

[tall vapor]

DXVK is completely unsupported on windows. There's an issue that only affects folk on win? That's a "WONTFIX" right there

[civic quarry]

Thats great to hear

[civic quarry]

I do the traditional fps_max 60 on, say, Supermarket Simulator on Windows. Game does not listen. I then go do DXVK_FRAME_LIMIT=60 %command% on Linux and the game immediately gets limited to 60

[tall vapor]

fps_max ain't got anything to do with dxvk to begin with.

[civic quarry]

If I recall correctly, fps_max is a Unity thing or am I wrong with that?

[tall vapor]

maybe? idk.

but it sure ain't anythin that got anythin to do with dxvk

for frame limiting via dxvk you use the according dxvk env var

[civic quarry]

Yes

[tall vapor]

ooohh okay. CSGO seems to support that, therefore cs2 too. So maybe it's a source engine thing?

[civic quarry]

Supermarket Simulator is a Unity title

[tall vapor]

yeah maybe unity supports the same argument

[civic quarry]

I have no idea why it wont limit the FPS like I want it to

[tall vapor]

🤷‍♀️

sure can't blame dxvk for that, tho

[civic quarry]

No

[tall vapor]

and if ya can? Well no you actually can't when using DXVK on windows, no.

[civic quarry]

Im a bit disappointed with the gaming experience on the Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite X ARM processor

[jaunty fulcrum]

it's not intended for gaming

[civic quarry]

So I figured

Not to mention, German Linux Computer Company, Tuxedo showcased a Demo of one of their laptops running on it using their own Tuxedo OS

[tall vapor]

yeah but that was more for showcase, to actually have a thing worth shipping.... that'll take time still. Cause the current driver situation for example likely be atrocious

[civic quarry]

I saw the whole Asahi Linux on the Apple M1 chip, there is almost nothing supported for ARM chips

[tall vapor]

That thing that tuxedo /will/ ship is gonna be the best with the qualcomm chips in terms of lin support, sure

the best in the midst of a huge sump of, uh, bad

just not as bad, mayhaps

[civic quarry]

I wonder what System76 will do with such an ARM processor

Since they make PopOS

[tall vapor]

they ain't gonna touch it for quite some time to come.

first qualcomm would need to become less qualcomm-y

[civic quarry]

So the same way Debian does with New versions of software?

[tall vapor]

that machine tuxedo got undoubtedly is a ODM snapdragon X machine, so nothing special per se. The more interesting part is the development effort that has to go into actually making it work

[tall vapor]

Debian is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing. A debian release from who knows when is gonna have software from who knows when

Because well.... it's debian.

[civic quarry]

Indeed they are

[tall vapor]

Yeah, and when you got a usecase for that that do indeed be a good thing

I like Debian just the way it is in places where such a system makes sense, ya know? And for places where such a system doesn't make sense.... well there be other distros, are there not 😅

[civic quarry]

Indeed

[tall vapor]

so that was a silly comparison

why would system76 wanna touch a hardware platform that'll make it hell for them to turn it into somethin folk would wanna buy

Tuxedo has decided to spearhead that effort, but if they don't actually see a future there it'll never be anything more other than the one laptop that they showed off

ARM has been nothing but a toy for pc use for years, rn it's only really actually there on a non-pc (the macbooks), is done more as a "well we'll see if that'll work out" when it comes to windows and still the meme it always was on lin and will be for years to come

want a machine that works? Get yourself a good ol x86_64 (well maybe not 13th&14th gen intel °J°)

[civic quarry]

hahahahahah

Im also interested to see where VR headsets like Meta Quest and those other ones go

[tall vapor]

which other ones

lol

[civic quarry]

Valve Index, the forbidden Apple Vision Pro and PSVR

[tall vapor]

there's the meta quest that people actually be buying if they want sth like that, there's the apple thingie that is just a thing that rich folk buy in order to flex on them poors rather than to actually use, and then there's the thing that valve be working on (deckard)

[civic quarry]

I heard the Index has bad tracking when it comes to games like Ghosts of Tabor

And yea, I was told the Quest has its own set of flaws

[tall vapor]

index still be amongst the best when it comes to tracking, but you better got a good lighthouse setup

[civic quarry]

The reason I picked the Quest 2 is because I am not the type of guy to screw stuff to the walls

But I am okay to deal with the terrible battery life

[tall vapor]

I'll look into VR depending on what deckard actually will be. Will it be an alternative to the meta quest stuff that actually works with the stuff I want? Lemme have that. Is it the more expensive index that some folk seem to want? Well, no VR for this gal here

[civic quarry]

Of course

[tall vapor]

hey look imma be real with y'all, I just wanna play beatsaber, superhot vr and such all without having to deal with a windows machine

[civic quarry]

I know

Meta Quest has this Rift Link stuff through a web browser no?

[silver fable]

I put my lighthouses on light stands.

[tall vapor]

which then depends on the windows software in turn. It's all dependent on that thing. Otherwise.... either try to get alvr to work, or gtfo

that's the quest experience for ya

[civic quarry]

Way to make things more limiting Meta!!

I hope to god this shit works with my Intel Integrated Graphics

[tall vapor]

the rift nor the quest never were an open platform that bothered with standards

[jaunty fulcrum]

especially since Meta bought it

[civic quarry]

Becuz the game in question has a Standalone Meta Store app

[tall vapor]

think very very early on with the like og rift hell maybe even before that there was some lin support iirc, no?

[tall vapor]

well then it'll most likely run on the quest itself, rather than on yer computer. The oculus pc app is more of a unnecessary but hey meta wants it like that step to get your quest hooked up to steamvr&such

[jaunty fulcrum]

all I remember is having to install LibreVR's Revive pretty early on 😂

[tall vapor]

[tall vapor]

and no, the steamvr/steam link app that is available for the quest doesn't change that. The target computer still has to run the oculus app 💀

cause meta wants it that way

[civic quarry]

My whole thinking process was, mirror the headset display through my browser on my Linux SSD, install this game on the headset and stream happy happy.

I guess I can toss that process away

[tall vapor]

they undoubtedly would've been pissed if valve went "hey so here's our app. you install it on your quest and there we go that's it"

[civic quarry]

Not to mention, the one thing that will make me doubtful is how I am gonna capture both lenses

[tall vapor]

but yeah. Maybe I'll bother with VR if deckard will actually be somethin that I can afford, if not... well, I'll just not

since it's named deckard I very much hope that it's gonna be the steamdeck of the VR world, tho

ie somethin folk can actually buy

rather than some ridiculous high lux device meant for techbros to flex on them poors 💀

[civic quarry]

And whats confusing me more is what do i buy first? A new GPU or a VR Headset?

My mind cannot make up the choice

[tall vapor]

most of the games I play run on the deck, if I want more than that me pc with that 5700XT is more than strong enough

thank the games industry for that, lol

[civic quarry]

I made my final desicion

Gonna buy the VR headset first, then worry about a GPU later

Thank god Meta lets me create an account in South Africa

[tall vapor]

people before they buy a VR headset: Oh imma need such a strong GPU to run all the amazing experiences imma gonna have
people once they actually have it: watch corn&play beatsaber

[civic quarry]

I am not that gross

[tall vapor]

oh and also vrchat, of course

[civic quarry]

VRChat can fuck off for me

[open rune]

Play Lone Echo

[civic quarry]

The type of games I am interested in are games in the same genre as COD, Fortnite and DRG

Since I am also learning Firearm knowledge due to it being another passion of mine

[open rune]

Those all sound really draining to play in VR lol

[tall vapor]

isn't echo VR literally dead?

[open rune]

Maybe? That would be really sad it was so cool

I almost never even did matches, I just flew around and played tag and catch with other players

[tall vapor]

Currently the game is being kept alive by part of the community hosting servers. ```

okay yeah, it is

[open rune]

Maybe that can be another stretch goal for Star Citizen

[copper notch]

A new more powerful GPU is infinitely more capable than a VR headset, not to mention VR being GPU heavy as well.

[open rune]

Yeah but the Quest probably has some titles that would fit the bill and just run on the headset right?

[civic quarry]

Yes

Ghosts of Tabor being one of them

[copper notch]

There is only one more stretch goal I'd like to see CIG add for Star Citizen.

• Finish the game and actually release it.

[open rune]

That one's in there but it's uh hidden and the only way to unlock it is to reach the stretch goal...

Maybe at 800m Chris Roberts will finally love us again

[civic quarry]

Amazon ships to South Africa so I can grab the headset there

[open rune]

Nice
I miss my Rift S

[copper notch]

What are they at now, $700M

[civic quarry]

Yea, they recently opened operations here

[open rune]

Yeah passed 700m recently

[copper notch]

Wow

Kind of insane. What was the original crowdfunding goal, like $5M or something?

[civic quarry]

Thats crazy

[copper notch]

They filmed all of the actors etc. like 10 years ago or so, and by the time the game comes out, they are probably going to have to remaster all the video and graphics, upscaling everything to what is current.

Maybe before they do that, they'll announce a complete remake though, using Unreal Engine 5.4. 🙂

[open rune]

Yeah I think they might redo some of the mocap stuff with Mark Hamill and others

Or maybe they already did I don't know

[copper notch]

Or his children 🙂

What I've been wondering over the last couple of years is whether Star Citizen would get finished and released first, or if an AI model creates an equivalent game and releases it first. 🙂

When Squadron 42 is actually released for real, I'm going to lock the door, and get peripheral artery disease playing it. Ok, so that's not much of a change from my current lifestyle but still. 🙂

I'm kind of more pumped for the single player than the PU. I miss games like Star Wars X-Wing series and Wing Commander series. I own all of them so I should actually install them and play through them. I wonder if I could get through every Star Wars X-Wing franchise game and WC before SC comes out. I mean... odds are in my favour no? 🙂

There is also Diaspora: Shattered Armistice as well.

[marsh helm]

https://x.com/ronnwaa/status/1812020466208632987
i found this to be interesting

[copper notch]

Got a screenshot? I can't access TwitteX anymore. 😦 Get redirected to a login screen for mandatory login after following any link to the site. No idea why.

Can't log in due to some dumb security issue after my hard disk got filled and wiped out my cookies.

[civic quarry]

Its super annoying to get thrown a Login screen

Talk about frustration

[misty cove]

Does anyone know any good mobile capture programs for streaming your phone to obs?

[civic quarry]

I use scrcpy

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

[copper notch]

Yeah, I get it on Instagram too. I don't care enough about either site to try to get to a human in support to try to get the issues sorted out though. Their value proposition is too low, although it is kind of annoying sometimes too. 🙂

[civic quarry]

You do need to enable USB Debugging in Developer Options

If you are on Android 14, all you need is one cable to capture both audio and video

[misty cove]

which phones are android 14?

I have a samsung s20+

[marsh helm]

x sucks

[civic quarry]

Apologies, the android version your phone uses supports both Audio and Video mirroring with scrcpy. The project's README confirmed it https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/blob/master/doc/audio.md

[misty cove]

bet

btw how do I download it?

[civic quarry]

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/releases

2.5 is the latest

[copper notch]

I've got a NaturalPoint TrackIR 4 Pro that I think I paid like $170CAD or so for, maybe more. Wonder if devices like that will be better. The big problem with head tracking is game support.

[tall vapor]

as always.... I doubt support for that will get any better until it's part of a standard of some sort&is integrated into headsets

[marsh helm]

what do yall think is the cause?

its been many months and intel still hasnt found the root cause

[copper notch]

Yeah, it is too niche. Before I bought it, I went over their list of supported games at the time which was most major flight and flight combat sims, many racing sims, and all of the ArmA games. I owned and/or planned to buy many several of them, and figured just a few games able to use the feature of which I'd put dozens to hundreds of hours into gameplay justified getting the niche hardware. I got my money's worth but it is still sad it isn't supported by more games.

[tall vapor]

My guess based on what I've been reading&watching: The ring just falls apart. Like.... that'd explain a lot, would also explain why the symptoms are so goddamn varied etc

[marsh helm]

as more game and software devs find out

they see its mostly just intel and those collection of 13t and 14th gen

it was soo random that it was hiding for almost a year

till ppl started talking

i think its recall level now

[tall vapor]

remember when intel praised themselves for having such a quick turnaround time with RKL? ie from conception until they shipped it? Yeah. Hah.

[marsh helm]

its very odd

and intel said they fixed another bug

but that didnt fix it

[tall vapor]

I doubt intel doesn't know what's going on here. They totally do know. They just wanna keep it quiet, and then announce it quietly while everyone be talking about the new alderlake cpus that just launched

[marsh helm]

bug with the velocity boost

[copper notch]

Interesting hypothesis from Cutress. Another theory is that they doubled the E-core count from the prior generation (12th) and pushed it out in less than a year, but the cache design was reused and it is possible the cache is stressed and goes south.

[marsh helm]

oh i have a question then

does this still happen if you disable all e cores?

[copper notch]

Another possibility I've heard is that it could be caused by some problem due to security mitigation fixes.

[tall vapor]

yes

[marsh helm]

welp

[tall vapor]

it also happens on server boards used in datacentres to host game servers

[copper notch]

When people disable E-cores apparently the issue is less likely.

[marsh helm]

yeah

and whole companies worth of cpus

all at the same time

[tall vapor]

yea, but that's not the issue here

My guess stays the same: The ring falls apart

the ring connects everything

symptoms: issues everywhere

[marsh helm]

i think the ions and atoms are going places where they shouldnt be

[copper notch]

50% failure rate is just a broken poorly designed product at the end of the day. They keep making terrible decisions and mistakes one after the other, I wonder how much long they can sustain this until they go belly up.

[marsh helm]

and since intel made them

its extra bad

they should of known of the flaw

theres no way they didnt know

[tall vapor]

.

They rushed it out.

[marsh helm]

and ppl who say oh its fixed if you change the bios and reduce your performance by up to 30%

[copper notch]

Another thing that just came to my mind, is that 13/14 gen are both made on TSMC nodes, while previous processors were made on Intel nodes IIRC. I wonder if there's something with that perhaps. Probably not, but it is a difference.

[marsh helm]

thats not a FIX!!

ppl are still crashing its just happening less often

and it greatly depends on the game

or app

[tall vapor]

once they learned of the issue cause they skipped proper testing&validation it already was too late. So now they wanna keep it quiet till alderlake arrives, and then while media be covering alderlake they're gonna do a small announcement on their site abt every 13th&14th gen chip being BROKEN and good luck trying to get a refund from us

[copper notch]

Yeah, between the performance loss from enabling security mitigations, performance loss from power management workarounds... what are they at now, 50% the speed of Ryzen?

[tall vapor]

okay no, not alderlake

whatever 15th gen is gonna be called

[marsh helm]

12900k beats the 14900k

[tall vapor]

am too tired for names

[marsh helm]

thats for sure

arrow lake

[tall vapor]

ah, arrow

yes

[copper notch]

Yeah Arrow lake

[marsh helm]

then its panther lake

[copper notch]

Or Arrow to the Foot Lake more likely.

[marsh helm]

and mobile its metor lake and lunar lake

[copper notch]

or the ankle. I wonder if Intel plays Skyrim.

[marsh helm]

i dont know what after that

[copper notch]

There's Panther Lake and Nova Lake IIRC

[tall vapor]

Can't exactly play skyrim with a cpu that doesn't work, can you?

[marsh helm]

nova better just catch on fire

[copper notch]

Well, Intel devs probably use Ryzen to game on I imagine.

[tall vapor]

ooohhh, supernova lake. That's when intel blows up

[marsh helm]

you cant even DEV on intel cpus

its too risky

[copper notch]

hahahah, yeah that'll be the meme name for sure

[tall vapor]

Just like folk working at microsoft use macs&linux machines

[marsh helm]

when your whole company has failing cpus by the hundreds

theres something BAD happening

most ppl dont even know hot to update their bios

even if a fix comes out pp will still need to rma their chips

[copper notch]

I've never been an Intel fan, and I'm happy to see AMD is on top for a few years now, but Intel is really nosediving and that's just not good at all. We need Intel to smarten up and get their shit together so there is real competition in the marketplace. Ideally, they each leapfrog each other at least once a year in balance, and prices come down.

[tall vapor]

couple of studios already announced that they're switching everything they got over to amd, and I got no doubts that a lot of others did the same just without announcing it

[marsh helm]

they are MOVING TOO FAST

[copper notch]

Yeah, most people don't flash their BIOS for sure.

[marsh helm]

also its dangerous to flash

many boards dont have a failback bios

or even a error led

[copper notch]

Depends on the motherboard, but yeah it can be. It's not something for the average person to do really.

[marsh helm]

asrock...

[tall vapor]

there is no simple fix to this. There might be some chips that you can keep alive for a couple years with a bios update that be like "hey your cpu is 20% slower now", but the others... those will have to be returned cause they be dead

[marsh helm]

heck ppl use old flashdrives and cause issues

even 5% damaged should still get you a free rma chip

[hearty stirrup]

single-bios boards are becoming less and less common hopefully

[marsh helm]

its nonsense they intel isnt

[tall vapor]

this is a design issue, plainly.

[marsh helm]

theres going to be no resale value on these chips

epic games released a message on it

yesterday

[copper notch]

I wonder what % of people presently are buying Intel versus AMD. It seems it flipped a while back towards AMD, but I'm curious what Intel's slice of the market still is.

[marsh helm]

more and more big companies are alerting ppl of issues

[marsh helm]

75%

ish

[copper notch]

Just on consumer and gaming desktops. Mobile and server etc. are a different ball of wax.

[tall vapor]

just shows up earlier on the i9 chips cause they're being pushed harder. It's also cropping up with the i7 chips

[marsh helm]

yuh its still i7

[copper notch]

I don't mean what percentage of people own Intel, but say, what percent have bought Intel in the last year.

[tall vapor]

so yeah. Ring falls apart due to a design issue, but that issue becomes obvious much sooner on chips that get pushed harder

[copper notch]

Intel definitely has the largest userbase due to historical reasons.

[tall vapor]

one of the best sources ya got are the reports from mindfactory, tbf. But that only counts retail CPU sales, not like CPUs that be included in prebuilts and also only stuffs sold at mindfactory obv

[marsh helm]

if you look into how much money the foundry is losing tho

[tall vapor]

but it's a good indicator to see market trends, at least

[marsh helm]

how good the clientside is doing is sorta faked

[tall vapor]

Oooh folk are totally going to want to use intel as a contract foundry now, that's for sure

on a process that appears to be completely borked

[marsh helm]

i dont think they have a client

just one small one for routers

[tall vapor]

and with intel themselves switching to TSMC for their own chips

[marsh helm]

did you see how limited meteor lake is tho

theres soo few

i know it pretty muched bombed but still

[tall vapor]

yeeah, that's gonna inspire confidence for sure. "We're intel, we can't make our own chips at our own fab without ending up with a 50% dud rate. Oh and also... we're switching to TSMC"

[marsh helm]

i need to read the specs of what amd is testing on

[copper pasture]

Wondering if I can just request my data for a phone game I’m playing to be able to backup all the messages and stuff I’ve gotten in it

[copper notch]

<Intel> Hey everyone who needs semiconductors made, good news! We make semiconductors and we'd be happy to make them for you at our fab! We don't use our own fab anymore because we use TSMC which is better, but you can use ours because it is good enough. Trust us!

[copper pasture]

It doesn’t have a data export option in the game itself

[tall vapor]

send them a GDPR request

[marsh helm]

samsung has more clients

than intel

[copper pasture]

Yeah I’ll have to look up a standard request example for this

[copper notch]

Intel said they'd be happy to make AMD's chips for them. AMD probably bust out laughing.

[marsh helm]

amd would rather burn the x64 deal

and go arm x64

[tall vapor]

Oh intel for sure called amd "hey so uh please make your chips in our fab, we'll even give you 20% off!" and then amd be like "Have you found out what be happening to your 13th&14th gen chips yet?"

[copper notch]

AMD's doing fine with AMD64, and they created it originally anyway. Intel copied AMD64 a year or so later begrudgingly when IA64 failed.

[marsh helm]

the deal is simple

[copper notch]

AMD's making ARM CPUs as well (Sound Wave), so it'll be interesting to see how they're used.

[marsh helm]

amd cant sell the license

and intel lets amd use their parts of x86

buut

.> why not just arm x64

and linux

[copper notch]

Yeah, Intel and AMD are in a cross-licensing death pact.

[marsh helm]

do they really need to be tho

[tall vapor]

I am convinced that those are literally zen cores, but with an arm instr dec&frontend in general

[marsh helm]

well cookie amd did say they had an arm chip

when zen was being made they made a working arm chip

but zen ended up working out for them

[tall vapor]

yes, I know. the arm opterons

those actually existed

[tall vapor]

talkin abt sound wave here

[marsh helm]

umm i havnt heard them say anything about them

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Sound-Wave-ARM-APU-for-Windows-reportedly-in-works-with-strong-NPU-performance.839360.0.html

[copper notch]

One thing that amuses me is that Intel created AVX-512, tried to relegate it to Xeons and whatever, then designed it into Alder Lake for 10nm, couldn't make the 10nm chips and had to backport the design to 14nm. AVX-512 die space was so large they had to remove 2 CPU cores from 11900K, so it was slower than the 10900K to fit AVX-512, and then months later Intel issued BIOS updates to disable AVX-512. AMD then added AVX-512 to Zen 4, IIRC reusing existing FP stuff for the first gen, and now has full AVX-512 on Zen 5, and Intel still doesn't have it. Real double facepalm for Intel.

[marsh helm]

amd has improved avx 512 with the new chips

i forgot what they did

but its more bits or something

ruumoors

[tall vapor]

and amd avx512 takes up less space on the chip as well

[marsh helm]

but moores law is dead has been right often

[copper notch]

IIRC, AVX-512 has optional features, and Zen 4 only does part of the full spec, but Zen 5 does more or all of it.

[marsh helm]

its hella efficient

[tall vapor]

well this slide doesn't exactly contain a lot of info

[marsh helm]

yeah thats all i got

[copper notch]

Yeah, they utilized parts of the existing hardware for it IIRC, not sure the deets.

[marsh helm]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Zen-architecture-pioneer-Jim-Keller-feels-AMD-was-stupid-to-cancel-the-K12-Core-ARM-processor.629843.0.html

[tall vapor]

"purpose built to win MS surface from qualcomm" yeah well duh
"strong NPU" well that is what microsoft is going to want for their copilot plus trash, innit

[marsh helm]

by 2026

it could be dead

intel and amd both cant run copilot

wont be running it till much later in the year

[tall vapor]

oh they can.

[marsh helm]

oh are the officially supported?

[tall vapor]

idk

idc

[marsh helm]

afaik the only official one is snapderg

[tall vapor]

prolly not rn cause of some deal with qualcomm

[copper notch]

Microsoft was basically having sex with Lisa Su on stage talking about TOPS TOPS TOPS

[marsh helm]

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/laptops/hps-omnibook-ultra-14-will-be-the-first-amd-powered-copilot-pc-heres-what-you-need-to-know ah

july 28th for amd

[tall vapor]

ye ye, some exclusivity deal with qualcomm for the copilot+ stuffs or somethin to get those machines moved off the shelf somehow

[marsh helm]

if amd uses the npu like they use the mini FPGA

that they are putting on their servers

to self optimize tasks

its going to actually be good

[tall vapor]

prolly not

who knows

[marsh helm]

amd has had that part working with turin

so

da fuck

why is there next to no connectors

[tall vapor]

mmmhhh tasty, the macbook PRO is back

[marsh helm]

i see ROOM

why is there a connector at the corner O_o

[tall vapor]

that's the charging usb-c

well they wanted to make the thinnest sliver of PCB

and they wanted the machine to be edgy

so that's what ya get

[marsh helm]

i would rather have 15% bigger and have 5 usbs

[tall vapor]

oh you silly consumer, you don't know what you want

[marsh helm]

ugh logitech

they are rebranding the yetis corpse again

[tall vapor]

ORB

[marsh helm]

that will make you sound like 2019

[tall vapor]

uh no, 2019 sounded way better than that

[marsh helm]

interesting gpu

[tall vapor]

they just wanna get rid of it at this point

[marsh helm]

nobody is going to make a custom loop for that tho

[copper notch]

From Amazon? It's probably a box full of rocks.

[marsh helm]

lol no its real

i did see a $800 4080 in the warehouse

i thought about it

[tall vapor]

a 6900xt that nobody wants for 379? Yeah, that's legit.

[marsh helm]

this isnt bad

if you need space

[copper notch]

People are taking 3000 series GPUs that are socket compatible and putting them on 4000 series boards and selling them as 4000 series GPUs, even going to the effort of grinding the chip off and re-laser etching it with 4000 series part numbers.

[tall vapor]

is that QLC?

[copper notch]

Mega fraud.

[marsh helm]

it dosnt say

so yes

[tall vapor]

mmmh, nasty

[marsh helm]

oh i killed one of my nvmes

i think

[tall vapor]

yeah it's a crucial p3. The core i3 of SSDs

[marsh helm]

im using it as just a data storage and its not dying

soo maybe it was just windows

killin git

it was hanging a lot

i have found nothing i need for prime day

as im saving for gpu

im still thinking to get a scooter tho

i want something i can get around without taking out my big bike

if i want to zoom down to the park

[silver fable]

Don't really know if you can use the word "zoom" and the word "scooter" in the same thought. 😝

[marsh helm]

it goes 15mph

its zooms

[jaunty fulcrum]

most electric scooters do 15mph, yeah

[marsh helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6kHuh2q5MM

heres a roundup

time for my midnight meal

cod and wontons

thats not legal

that dosnt look safe >.>

one bump and dead

[livid plover]

As a scooter on bike paths, it sure isn't

[marsh helm]

or roads

you cant drive anything electric over 28mph

[livid plover]

Register it as a motorbike and sure it is

[marsh helm]

yeah you would need to do that

[civic quarry]

I do not want to admit it, but I think chances of me being unable to do VR Content is very high

[marsh helm]

what gpu do u have?

[civic quarry]

I looked to see if I am able to buy a game on the Meta Quest store and what do you know, only USA Cards is expected

[marsh helm]

that seems dumb

of them

[civic quarry]

I wish I was joking

[marsh helm]

https://www.meta.com/help/orders-and-returns/articles/quest-supported-countries/

[civic quarry]

Oh my god

call me stupid but

How on earth did I miss the country selection combo box?

[marsh helm]

ah well those 23 countries are supported

[civic quarry]

Im talking about buying the game in the screenshot. How am I blind to not see this?

[livid plover]

You tell us. Time for glasses or a breather?

[civic quarry]

Lemme see what Meta Support says in the email I sent them asking the same thing

The last thing I want to do is celebrate early

Never ever celebrate too early

This has got to be the most fucked up Fan alternative you can think of

[silver fable]

Is... that a lawnmower?

[copper notch]

WTF, an electric lawnmower as a fan?

Darwin award winner of the year right thar

[civic quarry]

This is HaikuOS, a successor to BeOS and OpenBeOS. Super simplistic and too much screen space

[tall vapor]

ngl one of me favourite features abt haiku is that you can put ALL windows into tabs

[civic quarry]

I wont lie to you, I tried to do that, I failed so badly.

[tall vapor]

I wouldn't go with beta r4 though. Go with the latest nightly or whatever they call it

[civic quarry]

Ahh, kinda explains why I got a infinite installing softwarename in the HaikuDepot

[tall vapor]

beta r4 is 2 years old at this point

[civic quarry]

VM software used is Gnome Boxes, simple for me

[tall vapor]

yeah, so you're usin kvm/qemu

[tall vapor]

https://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_64/ nightlies are to be found here

[civic quarry]

QEMU is much better then VirtualBox for sure

[civic quarry]

Ahh thank you 😄

[tall vapor]

I use vmwws for windows stuffs cause their GPU paravirtualisation for windows is much better, but ye otherwise I do everythin on kvm/qemu

haven't had a looksie at haiku in years, so guess what I'm gonna do now

[civic quarry]

Someone even made a fully modern PC for HaikuOS

And it even freaking runs Minecraft

[copper notch]

Yeah, VMware was one of the first, and is pretty solid. Haven't used it in eons though. I used different solutions in Linux, eventually KVM.. but moved to VirtualBox on Windows as it is both free and relatively hassle free even if it kind of also sucks a bit. LOL

[tall vapor]

ngl I would like to still have an OLD laptop laying around and just using that as a haiku thingie to play around with

[copper notch]

And Linux runs inside VirtualBox on a Windows host better than Windows runs inside any VM in Linux - at no fault of Linux or Linux VMs, so I use Windows as host OS for best overall computer usage.

[civic quarry]

I noticed you have to do a bunch of EFI booting config for Haiku

Before installing Haiku even

[tall vapor]

ah neat, haiku doesn't even boot for me. how sweet

oh.

I'm silly

I had to switch the cdrom drive to be scsi, but doing that removed the iso from it

[civic quarry]

Fun

[tall vapor]

nope, immediately drops me to the edk2 efishell prompt

whelp

[civic quarry]

Falkon got ported to Haiku. According to ActionRetro, WebPositive was a drawback from daily driving Haiku

I'd be damned if someone decides to port OBS Studio to Haiku

[tall vapor]

okay, sata cdrom works

[tall vapor]

nvm, this thing uses way too many resources for that for some unknown reason

either way, runnin updates now

[tall vapor]

I wouldn't use haiku for anything internet related personally, like that thing doesn't even have a concept of multiple users. Everything is root, cause there are no users to begin with

it is one of the most developed toy operating systems, that's correct. But ye, that's still what it is 😅

[civic quarry]

I see

[tall vapor]

even one of the BSDs is more suitable for general deskop use

not to discredit haiku of course, I appreciate what they're doing here. But yeah, they know it, I know it...

cause the thing is: people are allowed to have fun!

[civic quarry]

Agreed

[tall vapor]

okay so apparently I just managed to get one of the slowest mirrors in terms of their packages

oop

it's been downloading nano (yes, that nano. the text editor) for like 3 minutes by now