Israel-Hamas War Discussion

[unkempt plume]

The amount of antisemitism I've seen from the arab world lately is wild

Actually it's just the internet

@timber halo

[dreamy frost]

Okay but you have Netanyahou literally making up war crimes publicly while committing his own and calling everyone against him a Nazi

From my point of view, Israeli gov and IDF are sounding a lot like Russian propagandists in the Kremlin right now.

https://www.businessinsider.com/netanyahu-deleted-children-of-darkness-post-gaza-hospital-attack-2023-10

I mean look at this bullshit

It's to the point of delusional

[unkempt plume]

Well luckily no one likes him now

Tbh he'll probably leave the job himself when this is over

If not though people will make SURE that he does

Like genuinely people here are somewhat relived that the US is taking charge of this war

Obviously people are also worried as they think that the US will get a truce going fast and no one wants that here

[dreamy frost]

https://fxtwitter.com/Acyn/status/1714647415637098894?t=DSlQRP2-zRBTF7eoFoTvCA&s=19

[bold jetty]

Did bro really said children of darkness

[dreamy frost]

lol

[coral pond]

What's this meant to mean

[fiery walrus]

Unusual agreement between groups that hate each other

[coral pond]

Oh right

Triple teaming on Israel

[wind lodge]

Lmaoo

[bold jetty]

Fr fr lol

[rustic crane]

so its Russia, the LGBTQ, and who else

please not the neo-nazis

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/Channel4News/status/1714984738266427532

Israel tried to fabricate evidence using fake HAMAS members

[wind lodge]

Oh yeah I saw that, that was fucking comedy

Crystal clear interception

[night cloud]

Interception?

Oh the fake phone call

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/FalconryFinance/status/1715067316147482973?t=KRcIhoXCU3JWTIKrmuxieQ&s=19

Don't intervene don't intervene don't intervene

[dreamy frost]

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/19/us-israel-artillery-shells-ukraine-weapons-gaza

[stiff pecan]

Don’t they get shit from us

[unkempt plume]

Did an American soldier in Iraq just go ☠️

Feels bad for that guy

[blissful forge]

And the oscar goes to....

Tbh I cant tell if the casual demeanor of the actors is good acting or bad acting

How desensitized are soldiers to this type of thing?

[coral pond]

🐴

[rustic crane]

I swear to got if the US intervenes

[coral pond]

they gonna

[rustic crane]

please no

[dreamy frost]

https://nowthisnews.com/news/more-palestinian-children-were-killed-in-1-week-than-ukrainian-children-were-killed-in-1-year

[coral pond]

That's just heartbreaking

[maiden grove]

In an ideal world we'd be intervening to overthrow Israel's current government at this point

Not saying that to be pro-Hamas, just anti-Israel, as at this point I am very much against both

[dreamy frost]

Hate to be that guy but removing Netanyahou isn't going to fix the problem that existed before him

[night cloud]

This is kinda like poorly framed because the UN number for dead in Ukraine is not like the full number

We have for example no idea how many died in Mariupol

[dreamy frost]

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-politician-the-children-of-gaza-have-brought-this-upon-themselves/

[stiff pecan]

How tf did the children bring that upon themselves

They

Are

[dreamy frost]

Idk but that guy is about to bring a throat punch upon himself

[stiff pecan]

Children

Whats next the unborn child brought this upon themselves

[woeful orbit]

Genuinely disturbing how someone can say “we are a life-loving nation” and “the children have brought this upon themselves” in the same sentence and not immediately recoil at what they’ve become

[coral pond]

Yeah kids are just meat shields its not like this shit is so fricking messed up

[wind lodge]

As fucked up as the convo is I cannot engage when I see literal children and FNAF pfps

[coral pond]

Oh come on

[dreamy frost]

No Jimmie is right, imagine explaining to a bunch of boomers and Gen Xers that Freddy Fazbear has some mean things to say about the IDF

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/KrystalWolfyAlt/status/1715479158619287625?t=6kI8jDqSwkV_FYbRXwY5Gw&s=19

[coral pond]

The circle of funding terrorist groups

[rustic crane]

boy do I just love funding our enemies to destroy the enemies we funded x100

[coral pond]

What if we just

Stopped funding

😎

[rustic crane]

crazy idea

[unkempt plume]

If you think that this government is causing the most deaths possible, you'd be oh so wrong

Netanyahu is literally stopping any suggestion for a ground invasion

And he gets called a coward by practically everyone for that now

[dreamy frost]

One shudders to imagine how someone worse than Netanyahou could become President

[sullen bronze]

I as far as I have seen and heard, The US Is stopping Netanyahu since he the one called for the invasion in the first place

[unkempt plume]

That claim appears to be just a rumor

[dreamy frost]

It's only a rumor bc the US has stopped them in the past

Biden has switched his tone to restraint in talks though

[sullen bronze]

Media Has claim U.S has played an heavy advisor role for Netanyahu which is true. Which seem to make the rumor more likey true

[dreamy frost]

Netanyahou just a US puppet

[sullen bronze]

[grand glacier]

The US empire grows stronger

[dense sentinel]

May the banana companies in Central America prosper and Nestle’s water supply ever grow!

[dreamy frost]

you say that but the American Empire is literally the most boring world domination ever

I am almost convinced Chinese world domination would be exactly the same just better prices for everything lol

[dense sentinel]

Maybe

[dreamy frost]

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/chinas-pla-deploys-six-warships-in-middle-east-amid-israel-hamas-war-reports-11697967246655.html

[rustic crane]

to quote Suction Cup Man in context of China: "Fuck yeah! Let's start WW3!"

[unkempt plume]

Has the Israel Twitter acc posted the Hamas terrorists investigations yet

Or is it still only on Israeli news and hasn't been translated

It seems they haven't

Oh nvm

They have

Damn Twitter mfs are wild like not EVERYTHING is fake

[night cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1716833883293946098

[sullen bronze]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/25/israel-delaying-gaza-invasion-so-us-can-better-prepare-troop-defenses-report-says/?sh=4c71ae2e32d0

I was right, but the conclusion was wrong

[dreamy frost]

Who the fuck is drone Striking Americans?

Oh, we know. They were doing it in Ukraine, too

[rustic crane]

I heard the US is on the verge of war with Iran

I really hope a conflict doesn't erupt, but if it does, Desert Storm Part 2 ig

[dreamy frost]

It would be the US doing tactical strikes on their industry and military targets. No ground invasion.

Israel would likely join in, as would Iraq

Given the way it went last time Syria got gangbanged, the French and British airforce would participate as well

[rustic crane]

I doubt Germany would wanna help

[dreamy frost]

Germany hasn't helped since Afghanistan

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/AirshowD/status/1717056517160030351

[rustic crane]

wait what

[gleaming tusk]

half the military is furries

they did that on purpose

[night cloud]

Aeromorphs

[rustic crane]

I get that, it just caught me off guard

[blissful forge]

Is that what those anthropormophized planes are called?

Shame, ruined a cool ass name

[sullen bronze]

https://www.newsweek.com/dave-chappelle-israel-palestine-hamas-1838651

Dave Chappelle Has one of best takes on conflict

[gleaming tusk]

It's just common sense. You can condemn Israel for their use of extreme force and want to exterminate part of a country while also condemning the actions of Hamas and their use of Palestine as a shield and rally

but you can't have common sense anymore, you have to be one or the other

[sullen bronze]

exactly

[gleaming tusk]

It's the same thing with the Iraq/Iran war, you can condemn America for their overstay and failure to curb Isis, while also condemning Isis for being... Isis. There's a lot of places to stay true to in the actions that took and are taking place while acknowledging both sides

Really it's only Russio-Ukraine that has a clear bad guy currently

well, probably also some African Civil wars and genocides, as well as the Chinese genocide of the Uygur people but those simply don't have as much traction

[sullen bronze]

African Civil is rooted culturally now and will take some time solve by it self any involvement by the west will make things worse. Same with china their no much we can do besides stop buying there products. We focus on things we can change and not the things we can't

[dreamy frost]

And Ukraine was absolutely doing a few war crimes during the Donbass war

But they're under huge scrutiny now. So it stopped lol

[dreamy frost]

It would have helped if Europe didn't create arbitrary colonial states and borders with our ethnic groups who hated each other together and separated cultural kin

[gleaming tusk]

Well true, but Donbass was a small section

...then again Gaza is also a small section so

[dreamy frost]

Donbass was also likely Russian special forces

But Ukraine was still shelling civilians

Like lol, it's like if Texas seceded but suspiciously the Texans all spoke Mexican Spanish

[sullen bronze]

MiddleEast just crazy

[dreamy frost]

Wait until you hear about the UAE's cyber espionage

I think I mentioned it in one of these posts before but the UAE and Pegasus targeting foreign nationals + US and Israeli citizens and making third party contractors from the US and Europe do it

[sullen bronze]

Contract killing are probalay normal in middle east, What not is contractors other US and UK citizen to do it.

Is their any data on any of US/UK contractors actual accepting the job? Are they the once reporting it?

[dreamy frost]

Are you interested in listening to a podcast episode to explain it? They do interviews of people who worked for the Emirati government as cyber mercenaries

[night cloud]

US should really

Pull the leash on the IDF

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/sentdefender/status/1718111427292987811?s=20

[night cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/Captain_Fubar/status/1718076951548854401

It sounds like the IDF is not gonna heed US advice and the US advisors aren't fond of what the IDF is planning to do

[dreamy frost]

Im going to assume a full annexation of Gaza because what else is there?

[rustic crane]

more war crimes, one of which I'm not sure I can even say

[blissful forge]

I mean, I'm sure deep down the Israeli government is glad at the Hamas attack

It gave them the perfect excuse to regain territory and expel the enemy off their land under the pretense of self defense

Not the case, but how wild would it be if the Hamas leader(s) was an Israeli plant who rose up into the ranks to instigate an attack like the one we got

Blockbuster level plot twist

[wind lodge]

Christ.

[dreamy frost]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/musk-says-starlink-provide-connectivity-gaza-through-aid-organizations-2023-10-28/

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/26/politics/us-strikes-facilities-syria/index.html

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-770617

This is a reminder that US and CHINESE warships are in the same place

This is NOT the time to spark a great war

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-poll-finds-49-support-holding-off-gaza-invasion-2023-10-27/

[sullen bronze]

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-hamas-gaza-idf-dead-1838799

[unkempt plume]

They are not glad lmfao

Considering that they're like 90% getting fired after this

[unkempt plume]

We already recalled our diplomats from Turkey for security reasons week ago

Tbh I'm surprised Erdogan said that shit when the US is very involved in this

This would be like saying that the Taliban isn't a terrorist group

[unkempt plume]

"Our economy sucks so let's make it EVEN WORSE!!!!!!"

[sullen bronze]

First it was ukraine now russia LOL https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-russia-israel-gaza-strip-hostages-1838886

[grand glacier]

Doesn’t Hamas have Russian hostages

[sullen bronze]

Yes there about to release them

[unkempt plume]

You hearing about the airport in Chenchnia rn?

Literally an attempted lynch backed by the law

If the Muslim mob there finds a Jewish guy they're 💀

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/visegrad24/status/1718689681502597616?s=20

[unkempt plume]

Thanks

This is pretty clearly sponsored by Russian government

Tbh I do see a third adventure in Chenchnia happening if Putin doesn't die by the end of their current "special operation"

Not really any reason he's just insane

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/worldwarnow_/status/1718695630585954505

[fiery walrus]

What the hell is going on lol

Why the sudden outbursts again?

[timber halo]

They're carpet bombing gaza apparently

[fiery walrus]

Ah

Of course there is also the looming ground invasion

[sullen bronze]

Didn't know about until now, damn

[dreamy frost]

I dont think the ground invasion is actually happening at this point

There's too much infighting in the Israeli govt and pressure from the USA

[fiery walrus]

Time will tell, they still want to secure the hostages of course

[fiery walrus]

That's in Dagestan btw, not Chechnya

[dreamy frost]

Question, I only know of Dagestan from Victoria 2 mods. It gets annexed by the Russian Empire at some point, but did it get a federal state or something in the 90s?

[fiery walrus]

Im not sure tbh, it was already an autonomous republic during the Soviet Union

Im not really well versed in those politics haha

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/trtworld/status/1397981427522699268

[unkempt plume]

Eh, close enough

[unkempt plume]

Fyi a bit in the start is mistranslated

"Hold on, but then the world will say that we're the aggressors" was never said

What was said is
"They're (Palestinians) not afraid, they just shot guns here for a laugh"

Which makes me think that this mistranslation is completely intended

Since it's not even remotely close to what the subtitles said

Reminds me of this video

https://vxtwitter.com/ashrafnsier/status/1712171333373534505

This is not a video of an IDF soldier in Gaza apologising for all the crimes he's committed

This is a skit made b a few years ago about a soldier trying to fake a story about being ill so that he can go home earlier

Blud really shat his pants a lot in said story

[dreamy frost]

This discussion got banned on the NAJA server

What happened

[fiery walrus]

@dreamy frost Apparently Israel already invaded Gaza on saturday?

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-29-23/h_0d879e0482bbb71016c862a3e1483b09

[unkempt plume]

Small invasion into the mostly empty north

It wasn't a full ground invasion

[fiery walrus]

Ah alright

[unkempt plume]

We finally took back a prisoner without Hamas releasing them

No casualties to do it too

... One of the kidnapped was also confirmed dead today

Pretty sure there was a video of her on like a pickup truck looking pretty dead

[night cloud]

I did see video of a Merkava shooting a civilian car

Not a fan of the IDF acting like the RuAF

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/wikileaks/status/1719005698300813488

[unkempt plume]

A bit more info
The three possibilities suggested in the page they showcased here are

1. Keeping the Gazan population there and letting the PLO rule
2. Same as one but letting an original Gazan political movement start
3. Moving the civilian population to northern Sinai

Later on in the document all these possibilities get a deeper dive

The bottom part of the the page lists them from most dangerous to least
Most dangerous - 1
Significant issues - 1 & 2
Stratigical and long term benefits to Israel - 3

The first option is very easily the worst one as it was literally tried before and that's how Hamas took power

[dreamy frost]

3 is pretty much a form of genocide

[night cloud]

Problem with 3

its literally ethnic cleansing

[night cloud]

I hope a ATGM burns out his tank

[timber halo]

What's your opinion on it?
Or in general what's going on in Palestine now

[woeful orbit]

He might have just unintentionally created the best punchline ever

Won’t have to see twitter takes anymore at least

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1719357091821875303

[woeful orbit]

Oh boy I love constantly living in a major historical event

[blissful forge]

I'm here wondering

What century had the most relevant historical events back to back?

Like, what period of 100 years was the busiest with geopolitical changes on earth?

The 1700's? 1800's?

[fiery walrus]

I'd argue the late 1400's kicked off European colonialism to a worldwide scale, which lasted until what, the 20th century?

[night cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/plovejet/status/1718348201504166161?t=7U45nHmk0WtsTUu7ooMv2g&s=19

Hamas did a funny

[sullen bronze]

I can confirm on one of the location in U.S since we have one largest airbase in U.S. We had big movement of planes recently

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/visegrad24/status/1719411211723252014

By Yemen they mean the Houthi government

[grand glacier]

Im sure this will affect the tide of the year significantly

[sullen bronze]

Were they supplyed by U.S to fight the rebels?

[unkempt plume]

Aren't they still getting bullied by Saudi Arabia

[dreamy frost]

No. Iran backed militia.

[dreamy frost]

Saudi Arabia participating in a genocide in yemen yes

[unkempt plume]

Imagine if terrorist groups claiming to be a country actually cared about the country

Or claiming to be a government

You get the point

[rustic crane]

NOOOOO

[night cloud]

Houthis ain't much better

they used a lot of child soldiers and also targetted Yemeni Jews

[unkempt plume]

@fiery walrus I am taking this back

The ground invasion has actually mostly started

I think so at least

[fiery walrus]

Im surprised it isnt covered as much

It's kinda difficult to find much news about it

Just that it began, not much I can find about progress though

[unkempt plume]

According to the IDF we're currently right outside/inside of Gaza

The city Gaza

https://oct7map.com/

A map for anyone who is still a bit interested in that

Some of the info here is outdated though

Not a lot though

[night cloud]

IDF soldiers keep getting whacked by drone grenades

Their spacing is complacent

[fiery walrus]

How is Israel's AA capabilties outside of the Iron Dome?

If I recall they got some patriots?

[timber halo]

https://vxtwitter.com/QudsNen/status/1719745919011213714?t=hC1EFH8JXOSfG714mE_4FQ&s=19

[unkempt plume]

Huh

Anti zionist is a pretty tame way to call them

These mfs like beat up people who are not them

I don't really feel sorry here

[timber halo]

Seems to be the opposite in the video

Because they put Palestinian flags?

Also in the vid most of them are middle aged men doing shopping

[unkempt plume]

They believe that a Jewish country shouldn't exist until the messiah comes

But yeah they probably have mostly the same values with Hamas tbh

Being extremely religious is being an awful person on both sides!

[timber halo]

But the near fascist Israeli government isn't?

[unkempt plume]

Funnily enough they're being criticised for being "too weak" in Gaza

Criticized here, in Israel

Not in Gaza

[timber halo]

That's weird tbh

[unkempt plume]

It's really not considering Netanyahu did delay the ground invasion for a while

[timber halo]

I feel like if you're against what the Hamas did you should also be against what Israel is doing in Gaza tbh

[unkempt plume]

Also he's the one who let Hamas get this big

[timber halo]

Wether you believe in Israel's validity as a state or not

Though why is UK chilling even though they're the one that basically started the conflict

[unkempt plume]

India & Pakistan moment:

[night cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/AnalyticaCamil1/status/1719807924057338056

Fuckin amateur hour out here

[rustic crane]

so that's a grenade drone by them, right?

[dreamy frost]

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-journalists-israel-reuters-aljazeera-afp-rsf-29b7924946653db9b78739bba22b6a45

[rustic crane]

seems hypocritical to me

[fiery walrus]

Ah love the cheeky freudian slip here

[night cloud]

Lebanon picking up pace

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/imetatronink/status/1719934329730838574

[night cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/AnalyticaCamil1/status/1720214493655928904

[sullen bronze]

https://www.newsweek.com/hezbollah-targets-israel-volcano-rockets-tensions-soar-1840935

[night cloud]

https://vxtwitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1720962644813783378

These people are fucking stupid

[rustic crane]

The US military did it centuries ago with the Marine Corps (I can't get in trouble for joking about this if I'm autistic, right?)

[chilly kraken]

What the fuck

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1721070704806989884?

[unkempt plume]

He got punished for that later

Stupid mf

Only insane people think that's actually a possibility

It's wild that someone like that is in the government but hey at least he literally does nothing

We have so many useless ministries that are probably just there to make more money

That is one of them

[dreamy frost]

So you definitely see why Zionism has turned into a synonym for Israeli fascism

Dumbasses like that

[fiery walrus]

Yeesh

Sounds like he is the Medvedev of Israel

[chilly kraken]

Is he stupid

[unkempt plume]

So an Israeli protester has been murdered in LA

I am not surprised

[sullen bronze]

is it this one? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-dies-hitting-head-israel-palestinian-rallies-california-officials-rcna123942

[unkempt plume]

Yes

Iirc he was hit on the head with a megaphone?

And then fell backwards

[sullen bronze]

did not hear about a megaphone

Seem he was in a fight and end of falling on his head backwards, he was 69 years old

[unkempt plume]

Ig they didn't include the eye witnesses reports in the article?

Oh they did

They're pretty vague though

Alright so according to the autopsy he was killed through blunt force to the head and it was homicide

And according to some eye witnesses he was hit on the head with a megaphone and then fell backwards

[fiery walrus]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/06/israel-hamas-war-blinken-turkey-gaza-us-submarine-ankara-talks-hakan-fidan

I know theyre gonna try and get the hostages, but is it known what Israel's endgame is? @unkempt plume

[unkempt plume]

Currently the endgame is completely destroying Hamas and other terrorist groups in the strip

If you're talking about the hostages then currently the idea is getting hostages back in exchange for stopping the air strikes for humanitarian aid to enter the strip

These would be temporary stops though

[fiery walrus]

Oh I mean more like if theyre planning to occupy Gaza or just do their raid and go home

[unkempt plume]

Ah

I do not know

Staying in Gaza will get a lot of criticism here as we already did that with Lebanon

20 years and all we got was death and Hezbollah controlling the entire country after we left

Although the biggest reason that Hamas even took control in Gaza is that we left without coordinating with the PLO

[timber halo]

theyre probably going to occupy gaza and drive off/kill the palestinians that live there
theyre already doing the latter

[unkempt plume]

I don't think that'll happen tbh

At least not the part where all Gazans either die or leave

[timber halo]

its basically happening already

[unkempt plume]

Do you understand how many people live in the strip

It's not like 100 thousand

2 million is a huge number

Also if that was really the plan then they'd have WAY more than 10k deaths by now

[timber halo]

10k is still alot

[unkempt plume]

I know

[timber halo]

its 10.000 human beings

[unkempt plume]

I'm just saying that what you said doesn't really make sense

The Israeli Air Force has the capabilities to cause far more damage in the strip

And making other countries take the refugees also won't work because basically no one wants them

[timber halo]

regardless tf is Israel doing rn

[unkempt plume]

Rn?

Ground invasion

Trying to build pressure on Hamas to reach a deal regarding the kidnapped

Anyways I forgot another endgoal

[timber halo]

i dont think its about the hamas anymore tbh

[fiery walrus]

The amount of Israeli army girls doing these type of posts is staggering lol

[timber halo]

everytime someone mentions that Palestinian civils die, people say "oh but Hamas"

[fiery walrus]

Not gonna complain tho

[timber halo]

those are psyops

[fiery walrus]

Yeah and maaany tiktok dances

[fiery walrus]

What is it?

[unkempt plume]

Hezbollah

I'm not sure if it's an end goal of this war but it's a goal

[fiery walrus]

Theyre gonna try to get them involved so they can destroy them?

[unkempt plume]

Wha

Hezbollah involved themselves already

[fiery walrus]

Only border skirmishes tho right?

Its not like theyre gonna invade Lebanon as well

[unkempt plume]

And the Hamas Lebanon branch launching rockets to the Haifa gulf

And yes we do consider that Hezbollah as literally anything that the Lebanese branch oh Hamas does has to be approved by them

[fiery walrus]

So there is a great chance that IDF is gonna launch an invasion into Lebanon as well?

[unkempt plume]

Only if Hezbollah does something big first

Which after the speech from Nasrallah we here think that probably won't happen

...We also though that Hamas wouldn't risk the relative quiet that the strip had

It sure is surprising when leaders of terrorist groups don't act in benefit of their citizens

[fiery walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[sullen bronze]

Most news acticles say the invegation is still on going on, and the injury is from hitting the ground

[unkempt plume]

Yeah

That's just what the autopsy ruled

[sullen bronze]

No mention of a megaphone by eyewitnesses police. Still going to wait for public statement by by police

[dreamy frost]

Deport then to Egypt and make it someone else's problem

[fiery walrus]

Yep, I read about that too

Israel lowkey asked Egypt to take in the refugees

[dreamy frost]

https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/news/hamas-leaders-worth-11bn-live-luxury-lives-in-qatar/

fuck these people

Israel is wrong for doing what they are doing

Pay off the Qatari govt and send in special forces to deal with these

[bold jetty]

Damn hamas be fighting the Israeli soldiers just like Vietnam fighting the USA

[dreamy frost]

they have to

all the IDF can really do is scorched earth to win and if they do that it will likely spark a regional war with a real power

[bold jetty]

Tbh honestly W hamas at this move

And IDF doing this move is literally killing allot of Palestinians

But tbh honestly IDF can't do anything although it's war crimes but it's the only way

[rustic crane]

look how well it worked for the NVA

[fiery walrus]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-tells-hamas-not-enter-190351808.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9vdXQucmVkZGl0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAD-377WGCqQP5lFsNU2JBGc-SVk-84Tpu4TfpUdwicRkWTkJl2b_c0GHytyrGrY7LH34Xr5Jgifxw2Tnp8KPy0RLmDd2GTg3UzjlfddtuiFBjsmtLkHrlsWmqR8VwIQLVNDn9bUSVA_jrCcFYjd7qXvvUKXIeXvHsIfd17105pmb

Welp there goes WW3 out of the window

[unkempt plume]

Hamas really did fuck themselves by keeping the entire thing a secret huh

That is a good thing

[fiery walrus]

Yeah lol

[bold jetty]

The fact that netanyahu kicked the minister not because he was crazy about dropping the nuke but it's because he exposed there plans..

[unkempt plume]

???

Do you really think that they're planning to drop a nuke on Gaza

[night cloud]

More the minister took a shit over strategic ambiguity

[bold jetty]

I don't think so but looking at how Israel be destroying hospitals etc maybe

[sullen bronze]

Some of hospitals attack were unavailable, since hamas were using them as base of operation and were using citizen as human shields

Also think Iran was taking a gamble that the U.S would back down to avoid another war in the middle east

They have saying they go to war over gaza , but I know those have been hollow threats

[dreamy frost]

Iran pretending like they didn't know this was happening lol!

[unkempt plume]

There's no way 💀

This isn't a satire account btw

[rustic crane]

you're tellin me Gandalf ISN'T in the IDF?

[blissful forge]

They bringing out the warlocks

[unkempt plume]

I wish I was an evil Jewish wizard

I'm just a lame Jewish guy

Being a wizard sounds like

Really fucking cool

[dreamy frost]

Big ceasefire gathering at the DNC Hq got brutalized by capital police

[chilly kraken]

Wizards?

[chilly kraken]

Bruh

[bold jetty]

What the fu-

[dreamy frost]

Deleting for anti-semitism, even if it was to make fun of it.

[ember axle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/comments/180ys3r/meanwhile_on_twitter/

Never thought I would be supporting Piers Morgan

[unkempt plume]

Hostage deal has been confirmed now

Or like a few hours ago whatever

Only 50 though

10 each day

The fighting will continue after

[dreamy frost]

What does Hamas gain from this?

I have a suspicion all this is going to lead to is US and Israeli drone strokes in the UAE

[unkempt plume]

I uh forgot to say but 300 Palestinian prisoners will be released

Not all are Hamas members btw

Also for every ten kidnapped they release they gain another day where the IDF will be quiet

So they can't just wait until the last day and then release some

If they don't release any tomorrow the fighting continues

[bold jetty]

Z a m n

Bro straight forward said "N o"

[wind lodge]

lmfaoo

[rustic crane]

do they want to lose a fight with America?

[dreamy frost]

Y'all

Andrew Tate just beat the shit out of Ben Shapiro on Piers Morgan over this war

Tate. Made. A. Based. Argument.

[rustic crane]

I thought he actually beat the shit out of him

[blissful forge]

i wish

[dreamy frost]

did you guys see the argument though?

https://youtu.be/Z5hdmZKmwZo?si=Z84Q_e26KbscYxUZ

Literally i jaw dropped

i didnt know Tate was capable of having rational discourse on geopolitics

[grand glacier]

I want to sharpen my knife on his head

[unkempt plume]

They broke the ceasefire after 15 minutes...

Well along as the IDF doesn't respond the deal and ceasefire should continue

[timber halo]

Anyone that have or had any signs of a brain knows genocide is bad

It's like when he says you need to work on yourself because no one will do it for you it's just a cold ass take anyone could say

[unkempt plume]

Hamas is delaying the coming back of the hostages today

If they don't come back by midnight then fighting resumes

Fyi it's 7pm here rn

So there are 5 hours

[unkempt plume]

The issues have been resolved and the ceasefire will continue for now

[unkempt plume]

God the red cross is so fucking useless it's genuinely infuriating

UN levels of uselessness

[night cloud]

IDF is also pretty fucking useless tbh

What kind of "HQ" was that under Al Shifa?

[unkempt plume]

Testimonies of the kidnapped children started coming out

These people are cruel

I'm not even talking about not letting them eat enough or beating them

They were forced to watch videos recorded by the terrorists

[timber halo]

Videos of what?

[rustic crane]

probably beheadings n shit

[unkempt plume]

What the terrorists recorded

You know, mass murder

And other stuff I probably can't talk about here

All that being done to people that those kids know of course

[unkempt plume]

And so the ceasefire and hostage deal has ended after Hamas's hostages list did not meet the requirements

[night cloud]

Hate to dig up an old thread but uhhh

Israel is about to attack Rafah

[rustic crane]

rafah?

[unkempt plume]

The city on the Egypt border

[rustic crane]

"we don't want a wider conflict in the area" they said

[grand glacier]

It’s a country with a genocidal leader

They’re gonna lie

[rustic crane]

the US also said this iirc

[gleaming tusk]

Israel try not to start a globally funded world war speedrun (fail%)

[chilly kraken]

Holy shit they attacked rafah

wtf

[unkempt plume]

Not really? It wasn't the full on enter that's being talked about

It was a specific operation to rescue two hostages, not a full military advancement into Rafah

Granted, it was a big operation but still not a full on advancement

If that would happen it'd probably be around 2 weeks from now

[night cloud]

This "diversion" fuckin killed 50 some odd people

[grand glacier]

They should just ceasefire

[timber halo]

True they should stop bombing innocents

[grand glacier]

HAMAS should also stop

[rustic crane]

everyone should stop, crazy idea

[dreamy frost]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-what-about-whataboutism-gif-21354591

just kinda funny how Hamas is here but Palestine is whats getting destroyed

[grand glacier]

What,

[grand glacier]

They’re attacking eachother aren’t they

[timber halo]

Rn its mostly Israel bombing innocent people

[grand glacier]

I never said they were in the right

[dreamy frost]

As of 11 February 2024, over 29,000 people (27,708 Palestinian[1] and 1,410 Israeli[9]) have been killed in the Israel–Hamas war, including 85 journalists (78 Palestinian, 4 Israeli and 3 Lebanese) and over 136 UNRWA aid workers.[10][11]

What blows my mind is how the major nationalities that Hamas kidnapped Siamese and Nepalese people

[slim tangle]

Free Palestine Ong

[grand glacier]

Fr fr no cap yo

[rustic crane]

ngl, forgot this channel was a thing

[grand glacier]

What’s up my fellow gen z’s

[rustic crane]

no

yes good

[grand glacier]

Compared to Russia and Ukraine it’s very simple

Isreal bombing stuff

This is more of a convo for world news but whatever happened with Armenia and Azerbaijan

[rustic crane]

what happened with them?

[slim tangle]

I understand that hamas started this but people have to get Palestinians accepted and were excited to live along Israelis. But that all got destroyed.

[grand glacier]

Remember a few mi this back when Azerbaijan attacked or something a disputed region

[grand glacier]

The IDF and HAMAS should be abolished

[rustic crane]

like how China and India had a border dispute that fizzled out?

[grand glacier]

Sorta but from what I know this one never fizzled out

[slim tangle]

Yeah

[dreamy frost]

China having 0 regional allies except for Russia (we ignore that time Russia almost nuked them in the 60s)

[chilly kraken]

Literally impossible for both to happen

Unless some 3rd, more powerful country just randomly starts attacking both

[fiery walrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/gpBsJoulSs

Holy shit I dont think even Israeli politicians are that open about it lol

[timber halo]

Ask eggman most of em are corrupt and incompetent

[woeful orbit]

Feel like I've heard some pretty crazy things said by Israeli politicians, some to the same effect

[fiery walrus]

Yeah more to the effect that I didnt expect a US politician to say this

Then again Idk who this guy is, could be another one of those republican meatheads

[woeful orbit]

true, it's concerning to see how openly they can say stuff like this

[wind lodge]

The US President is a fuckin zionist, our overall politics in the states are fucked

[woeful orbit]

no but you dont understand he called netanyahu a jerk over the phone in private apparently

instead of just demanding a ceasefire

[dreamy frost]

Loosely using that word in this sense, because Biden pretty much hates Netanyahou.

But Biden is too scared to use his executive authority

he could make this stop with one phone call

[wind lodge]

He's effectively a zionist, he has gone on record and said that without Israel there is no safe place for jews- YOU ARE THE LEADER OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

What's ironic is that they're quick to hold restrictions on Ukraine, who is fighting a mega imperialist empire, but Israel? To fight back against a bunch of unarmed civillians? Give them all the weapons in the world

[timber halo]

Biden is so weird bc he's a democrat but didn't he say some racist stuff back then

[woeful orbit]

Honestly how it feels being British/American anytime the UN try to propose a ceasefire and we're the only two countries to not vote yes

[sullen bronze]

That is standard U.S talk

[dreamy frost]

Yeah, I'm with you there. Their recent losses in Advidka and whatnot are directly correlated to the MAGAMorons halting funding in congress. But the EU should be sending more military aid, it shouldnt just be the US and Germany.

[wind lodge]

Yes, Biden is historically has had positions that have put him on positive terms with some racists. He even said Barrack Obama was a "different" kind of candidate, "An African American that's bright-". Mind you this is when he was announced as his VP.

I won't pretend to know what's in his head, but I doubt he's like a vindictive racist like conservatives, he just has old grandpa racism

[wind lodge]

Also being a democrat doesn't make you free of any racism or overall problematic positions, actually the involvement with Israel-Palestine has kind of revealed a lot of fun characters from everyone in the Democrats because they're not used to this kind of wide scale public backlash against them

Nancy Pelosi called a bunch of people protesting against Israel, Chinese agents..

[dreamy frost]

I think he changed over time, but still holds on to those hard to shake 80s beliefs.

[dreamy frost]

its crazy to me that at one time she was threatening to fillibuster if we didnt get universal healthcare

[dreamy frost]

Democrats in 1861:

https://tenor.com/view/i-be-popping-bottles-i-i-i-be-popping-bottles-gif-12822040453321610910

(except white)

[grand glacier]

Didn’t trump say that he would block block the Gaza border and deport Muslims are something like that

I’ll see if I can find a source

[dreamy frost]

Trump says a lot of BS and even though its insanely fashy some times I think he just be saying shit

[wind lodge]

It's genuinely disgusting how the US continues to look the other way. I'm sure there are geo-political incentives to look the other way, maybe Iran's nuclear program. But what reason do we have to be subservient little bitches to them.

Meanwhile Israel gets harder and harder to defend by the day (Not that they were ever easy, but hey)
Did you guys hear about the so aptly named "Flour Massacre"? It happened just a few days ago, Israeli troops opened fire on and killed over a hundred starving civilians who had gathered to get food from aid trucks.

and it's radio silence...

Aaron Bushnell? We love our troops right? We won't acknowledge him at all

Biden didn't even have a backbone against those fuckers in Texas, this is just overall some of the worst faith I've had in a president

[timber halo]

Didn't they veto a ceasefire

[woeful orbit]

The amount of liberals on twitter I’ve seen who will get so racist so quickly if a poc declares they’re not voting for Biden because of his inaction, speaking of no faith in a president

It’s insane

[dreamy frost]

We weren't subservient to them before. Bush and Obama both tightened the collar on Israel every other time they did some shit like this.

[wind lodge]

It is utterly painful to say he still has my vote, the alternative choice strips more civil rights away from the populace

[grand glacier]

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/trump-muslim-ban-gaza-refugees

[rustic crane]

petition to kick trump?

[wind lodge]

Good god can you imagine if Trump vows to stop Israel from attacking Palestine? It would be the craziest case of tonal whiplash ever

[dreamy frost]

I'm gladly voting for Biden and it has nothing to do with liking him. For starters, he believes in democracy and wont overthrow the government

He believes so much in democracy that he wants to "play fair" with the people who will not treat him fairly

[grand glacier]

So it’s between Biden who looks the other way and Trump who will actively help Israel, not a tough choice

[wind lodge]

Yeah the alternative is a man who actually launched a coup for the presidency, and later acknowledged that he did, but it's ok because he was the president

[dreamy frost]

it is a tough choice, because some would argue a vote for either is a vote for genocide.

And the only people who are willing to call it a genocide are third party candidates (except RFK he's an absolute basket case asshole)

[wind lodge]

But god please I think I will take anyone but biden, there's a good chance he dies in office, then whoever control's Harriss's drug cocktails will rule the country

[woeful orbit]

As much as I hate Biden I also think things are going to get worse both home and abroad for Americans if Trump returns. Unfortunately this does seem like a lesser of two evils situation

[dreamy frost]

Im so upset that the guy with the name RFK is a total dick shit

[grand glacier]

Realistically a third party isn’t going to win

[dreamy frost]

They will never win unless we reform into a parliamentary system.

And the only way they could realistically win is if they did what Bernie Sanders did

[woeful orbit]

Pfft, this dude thinks he just fell out of a coconut tree

[dreamy frost]

Which is put up a big annoying fight that won him and his people concessions

[wind lodge]

Every day I grieve the lack of a Sanders presidency

But actually he's been having some problematic israel views too

[dreamy frost]

now the problem with a parliamentary system, you'd probably also see the MAGA people and the far right get more "proper" representation

But the GOP and Democrats would legitimately fragment into multiple parties

[woeful orbit]

Why I don’t understand people on twitter saying they’re going to vote third party because I’m not American and not at all educated on the electoral system you guys have but it seems very, VERY rigged against third parties. Seems like American third parties are more a platitude then a plausible option

[dreamy frost]

I think Sanders is trying really hard not to start a primary fight this year, so he's avoiding saying what he really thinks.

he is a politician and he has a very powerful position right now in the DNC, so he has to unfortunately play the game now

[wind lodge]

Oh yeah, it's crazy he even has to do that since he usually is always on the brunt of being the unpopular one

Even AOC and them have been lip sealed, even though they do their best to be as anti-israel as a polite smile will allow

[dreamy frost]

Its mainly because our forefathers did not build this system with the idea that lobbyists and special interests would be involved

Say what you want about the founders, they were fearful of any body powerful enough to do that, be it king or corporation

Political Parties were never supposed to be allowed

just independent candidates

And for the most part, the early Presidents stuck to this principle by not running longer than 1 or 2 terms. Washington prolly could've been president until he died, given his popularity.

Congress literally sent him to calm down an actual rebellion in the rust belt lol

Anyway, the problem of Israel is not just ours. It's everybody who signed the Balfour declaration

Zionism was a thing before Israel even existed

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spending-democratic-primaries-00144552

[grand glacier]

And they gave up when they saw him what a semi king

I don’t even see why the current Israeli government can’t just accept a two state solution like it can’t be that hard

[dreamy frost]

Because it would mean giving Palestine land back lol

And probably reparations

[woeful orbit]

I feel like on some level it would also mean Israel having to properly acknowledge Palestine more, and the right of Palestinians to live on that land. lots of their politics seem to hinge on the belief that they were the original occupants

[dreamy frost]

Neither of them were the original occupants

The Canaanites were genocided by Abrahamic peoples

[woeful orbit]

Of course, but doesn’t a major part of Zionism stem from the idea that they’re owed that land

Even if neither were the original occupants Israel seems to believe they “were”, or at the very least want to push that idea

[dreamy frost]

yes you're right, Zionism was always a nationalist ideology

[chilly kraken]

Weren’t the Hebrews canaanites tho

[dreamy frost]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicBiblical/comments/mczi82/when_did_the_israelites_start_seeing_canaanites/

Tl;dr Jews thought they were superior to the Canaanites and created a mythical patriotic status to elevate themselves

[chilly kraken]

Basically yeah

[dreamy frost]

Hebrews are Canaanite fan fiction

Therefore Christianity and Islam are Hebrew fan fiction

[chilly kraken]

I mean when it’s your own culture I don’t think that really counts

Wait you know what I just realized

Every modern problem has come from a similar problem from like thousands of years ago

[woeful orbit]

The Buddha was real and NOT abrahamic fanfiction so therefore Buddhism is correct and we’re all going to the most horrible versions of hell imaginable

[chilly kraken]

The people that the religions are named after are almost always real people tho

Well the only hard evidence is for Jesus, Buddha, Confucius,

[dreamy frost]

When human history repeats itself

[chilly kraken]

And the other ones are basically just because they are so old and historical records for people that aren’t like kings and stuff are hard to come by that long ago

[chilly kraken]

Human history is just repetition of tribal warfare

Repetition of everything

Btw on the topic of the conflict what do you guys think the effects of the war will be

I don’t think the levant will ever be stable atp

And I don’t think Israel will have the luxury of average people not knowing anything about what is happening there, though most people who engage in discussion about the conflict barely know anything about it still

General opinion on Israel probably dropped a lot

[dreamy frost]

https://twitter.com/ytirawi/status/1765747246190952491

Younis Tirawi | يونس (@ytirawi) on X

🧵 In this exclusive thread 2.0, we will reveal dozens of war crimes committed by Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip revealed for 1st time. Incidents incl looting from shops, genocidal statements, religious mockery, and confessing to blowing up a mosque due to boredom (1/18)

Twitter · Mar 7, 2024, 2:32 PM

This stuff is rough but nothing blatantly graphic as far as I could tell, but still TW: War crimes

At this point Im convinced that Israel must really brainwash its soldiers to the point that they can dehumanize arabs

They should still be held accountable, as should all war criminals, but it breaks my heart to see other human beings capable of doing this due to upbringing.

[woeful orbit]

Not in the thread but the amount of pictures I've seen of IDF members posing with women's underwear they've looted from ruined houses could fill a whole thread like this and its so immensely disturbing

[chilly kraken]

Considering how much propaganda about everything they show to people of other countries I would imagine their citizens are basically just fed with propaganda 24/7

Like those Israeli citizens on like tiktok quite literally calling Palestinians subhumans

[wooden topaz]

twitter a reliable source of information lol

[timber halo]

so mind telling me where you get your infos from?

[wooden topaz]

not twitter thats for sure

twitter is about as reliable as gaming articles

[timber halo]

So what news outlets?

[dreamy frost]

Hey so I'm just curious, how do you write off the videos of IDF troops bragging about war crimes listed on that thread

They're not even hiding it, Israelis have dehumanized the Palestinians to the point that it doesn't even register to them

Your reply has contributed nothing of value to this conversation

[rustic crane]

if anything, its regressed progress

[sullen bronze]

From social stand point yes. From information stand point yes and no

You can get a lot accuate information fast, but can spread misinformation just as fast

[dreamy frost]

Yes, a lot of information from this war and the Russo-Ukrainian War will take hours or even weeks to properly vet, twitter and telegram provides realtime updates and for the most part, independent fact checkers can disseminate what's true and what's not.

You also get a TON of details and drama that news agencies often omit for the purposes of "objectivity" or the opposite lmao

Like how Trump's actually managed to stack the American RNC with his own sycophants

[dreamy frost]

If Netanyahou had to deal with a special election right now he would be so fucked

[night cloud]

UN Security Council has voted demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza

The US abstained rather than vetoed

[grand glacier]

What the hell are we even doing we just proposed a ceasefire plan that was shot down by Russia and China

[night cloud]

Netanyahu threatened the US that he'd cancel a Israeli delegations trip to the US if the US didn't veto it

the US didn't veto it

[grand glacier]

Netanyahu won’t do shit

[night cloud]

He cancelled the delegation already

[rustic crane]

its only a matter of time til he gets replaced

[dreamy frost]

See above: if they stopped the war right now a coalition would form to oust him

[stiff pecan]

wtf

[dreamy frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1774431040943059070?s=20

[dreamy frost]

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1775137325636317569

the IDF has now bombed it's own aid workers it was using to force UNRWA out

Muhammad Shehada (@muhammadshehad2) on X

The distance between each bombed WCK & the other shows beyond any doubt how the IDF took their time to deliberately & surgically eliminate the entire crew.

The 2nd car was bombed after it rescued the survivors of the 1st, & the 3rd after it rescued the survivors from the 2nd!

Twitter · Apr 2, 2024, 12:24 PM

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-promises-probe-as-slain-aid-workers-home-countries-demand-explanation/

[woeful orbit]

kind of insane how they can just purposefully do this and no one is going to say or do anything about it

obviously not to imply people should only start caring when their own people start getting involved, but it just goes to show that there literally does not seem to be a limit to what the IDF can get away with

[rustic crane]

they killed a brit, pol, and aussie, and no one is gonna do shit?

[sullen bronze]

I heard the U.S offical are Pissed

[grand glacier]

Not pissed enough to do something about it

[sullen bronze]

Punishing quick is not that simple with treatys. You have punish them enough would not collapsed the middle east

sanctions is one thing with military aid.

Also unclear how much U.S is holding back israel from massacre more people

They don't want to be kick out

[dreamy frost]

Any move the Biden admin does will affect the election here. AIPAC is one of the largest donors to Democrats and Republicans

If they completely cut off Israel AIPAC would be further weaponized to elect pro Zionists

[dreamy frost]

https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1775479229037371395

Globe Eye News (@GlobeEyeNews) on X

BREAKING:

CIA has allegedly informed Israel that Iran will attack within the next 48 hours.

Twitter · Apr 3, 2024, 11:03 AM

https://vxtwitter.com/ShahRiffat60451/status/1775480115062854068

https://vxtwitter.com/naziakhan455/status/1775976410332491804

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-asks-israel-for-immediate-ceasefire-threatens-policy-changes-1.6833846

[fiery walrus]

Wtf things suddenly escalating real quick

[wind lodge]

"Guys I mean it this time!!"

[rustic crane]

at this point, they're saying "fuck yeah lets start WW3"

[grand glacier]

I do not want to go to war because an apartheid state is being wacky

[unkempt plume]

Yeah, should be today

Last Friday of Ramadan

[woeful orbit]

https://vxtwitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1776156689168769388

Are "nothing ever happens" bros gonna win or are we about to live through even more major historical events

[unkempt plume]

Imo somewhere in the middle (Iran does something but not extreme enough (or use proxies) for an all out war) but what do I know

[rustic crane]

I swear to fucking god I don't wanna go fight in the middle east

[blissful forge]

lisan al gaib moment

[maiden grove]

Better to take a chance of jailtime than to take a chance of death

If you're American, I don't see why a war with Iran would result in the draft coming back though

It would be political suicide for any politician who tries to implement it

[rustic crane]

it shouldn't, but if it does

I don't want to fight Iran

[woeful orbit]

https://fixupx.com/globeeyenews/status/1776627402380370240?s=46&t=3utX3uwx-0nnBuu6bX5hBA

The fucking picture they chose is killing me

[unkempt plume]

Tbf I don't think that there's any good pictures of him

Why not use a funny one?

[woeful orbit]

how can you even begin to choose when there are so many

[unkempt plume]

God that fucking rugby or football one is still so good

The video was so damn funny

[rustic crane]

average Boris Johnson moment

[grand glacier]

Why are US politicians not this funny

[rustic crane]

can we talk about the time the Australian prime minister shit himself in McDonald's?

[dreamy frost]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-and-burn-gif-26002769

[dreamy frost]

George W. Bush is sitting with his aides...
and he is getting debriefed on the world news of the day. The news is rather mundane and unexciting, but one of his aides states that 3 Brazilian people perished in a plane crash early this morning.

Dubya's reaction is pure shock and grief, he's shaking and can't control his emotions.

Tearfully looking over to the man who broke the news, he asks him, "How many is a Brazilian?"

[rustic crane]

god damnit bush

[woeful orbit]

https://fxtwitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1778356391050441114

getting very tired of the edging here

like are we due for a world war or not I have shit to do bro just let me know so I can prepare for the end 😭

[grand glacier]

I really doubt any nuclear power would go to war with eachother

[stiff pecan]

You would be surprised

[grand glacier]

Nobody wants mutually assured destruction

[stiff pecan]

World leaders

[grand glacier]

Mutually assured

[stiff pecan]

Nuclear war is possible just because people are stupid

[woeful orbit]

I dont think so either but like the will they wont they tension is so palpable it's getting annoying like every day is a new statement from Iran like oooooh we're gonna do it!! get ready guys!!

[stiff pecan]

Logically if everyone didn’t attack anyone then thier would be world peace why is thier word peace then

[grand glacier]

I don’t think even North Korea is this sending this many threats

[dreamy frost]

I feel like north Korean military leadership would shoot Kim in the back of the head if he tried a unilateral strike

[maiden grove]

I feel like Iran will attack, but I don't see it leading to WW3

Israel are objectively the aggressors in this little spat. They attacked an embassy so Iran is justified to retaliate for that, even without the whole genocide situation in mind. It would be optically dumb for the US to step in physically. We'll probably send aid and that's it

[woeful orbit]

Oh 100%, my sympathy for Israel atm is very little don't get me wrong, they should expect opposition if they're gonna be attacking other people. Just feels very end-of-days-y with all these different nations going "ohhh we'll back Iran if something happens" "ohhh we'll back Israel if something happens"

[maiden grove]

Have any countries outside of the Middle East said that they would back Iran in attacking Israel?

Russia's hands are tied due to Ukraine. China wouldn't want to risk conflict with the US, because simply put they aren't stupid. They are more calculated than to suddenly throw away their current trading relations with the west

[woeful orbit]

maybe not properly back, but feel like I've seen somewhere that Russia is generally supportive of Iran even if that makes little sense given their situation. I was definitely being overdramatic earlier but still, the tension these past few days between Iran and Israel has been pretty strong

[maiden grove]

If this did blow up into a larger conflict, and the US backed Israel with boots on the ground, I would not stand by my country's actions. I'd be vocally anti-war

Surely I'm not the only one given how much Israel is alienating younger demographics

The US would have an awful time recruiting young people for a war they don't believe in, and a draft would probably face an extremely high level of resistance so that's hardly an alternative

[unkempt plume]

Iran's already threatening with a response to the response to their response

That's a lot of responses

I wonder if I'll be able to say that sentence but with more responses in the future

[grand glacier]

If we had the slimmest chance of luck then this would stay between Isreal and Iran

The US should send aid to the actual innocent countries like Ukraine

[maiden grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1c21xkc/israel_expected_to_be_attacked_by_iran_within/

[woeful orbit]

Sounds like this thread might have to get renamed to Israel-Iran war discussion because they’re sending drones

[unkempt plume]

And probably missiles in an hour or few! Can't forget those ;P

[woeful orbit]

I hope you and your family will be safe

This doesn’t feel real yet I was entirely expecting this, just hoping somehow it wouldn’t happen

[dreamy frost]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-attack-strikes-live-updates-rcna147477

[timber halo]

It wont start a WW3 right

[stiff pecan]

Wait for the time traveler to ask which war are we in 3 or 4

[woeful orbit]

How easily do you guys think this could’ve all been avoided

[timber halo]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-prime-video-bethesda-brotherhood-of-steel-power-armor-gif-12786921429865246493

[maiden grove]

No, it won't

[timber halo]

Me and the homies going to Alaska

[maiden grove]

It will at most be NATO and allies vs. Iran

I can't see Iran getting enough support from China or Russia to blow things up into a world war

China will know to stay out, Russia will have no choice at risk of otherwise losing ground in Ukraine

[timber halo]

What about china that would totally want to find a way to at least invade Thailand while the world is to focused on Iran

[grand glacier]

Thailand is not safe

[woeful orbit]

Can we not just mind our own business for once like damn 😭😭

[grand glacier]

Three days

[maiden grove]

China is deeply economically intertwined with the US

They will not attack Taiwan or any other country right now

[timber halo]

So this will be another Middle East war?

[maiden grove]

Possibly

Depends on the extent of retaliation from Israel

And on if Iran attacks the US / UK or not

[timber halo]

Though hoping Silver and Eggman stay safe

[maiden grove]

Iran is literally toast if the US steps in physically

From a moral standpoint I can't stand the idea of the US stepping into this conflict though

[dreamy frost]

Russian troops are currently stationed on the border of Golan Heights; all it takes is one accidental air strike from the IDF to provoke them.

ANd we've seen their false flags in ukraine

[dreamy frost]

bruh did you mean Taiwan 😭

[stiff pecan]

It’s alwasy Europe and Asia with the constant wars

Jesus theirs like 80 countries on the smallest continent

[maiden grove]

Doubt Putin has a death wish though

MAD is just about the only outcome to a direct US vs. Russia conflict

[stiff pecan]

I mean

[dreamy frost]

Not true

[maiden grove]

Russia would have no chance of winning, and I feel Putin wouldn't go down without taking the US with him

[dreamy frost]

You're assuming Russian Nukes all work and the ones that do arent shot down

[maiden grove]

We can't risk finding that out though

[stiff pecan]

If the nukes hit or don’t hit America would be pissed either way

[dreamy frost]

You're not gonna believe this but the CIA already did it for you

[maiden grove]

I live in a guaranteed nuke target town, there's a notable military base here

[dreamy frost]

This one was my favorite

https://www.newsweek.com/china-missiles-rocket-fuel-corrupt-officials-water-xi-jinping-1858491

https://www.twz.com/water-filled-missiles-silo-problems-behind-china-purge-report

[maiden grove]

Even if 90% of Russian nukes didn't work or were shot down, there is some chance I could still die from one of the exceptions

[stiff pecan]

If a world war starts I’m moving to Puerto Rico I’m not being sent to somewhere in Asia or Europe to fight for old people having a disagreement

[maiden grove]

I am not down with that chance ever being taken. No matter how good our defenses get

[dreamy frost]

puerto ricans remembering theyre part of the USA and therefore can be drafted:

[woeful orbit]

If the UK gets involved both of my legs would suddenly find themselves shattered and my mental state would not be good enough to hold a gun let alone use it

[maiden grove]

Good luck getting draft compliance in America in 2024

[stiff pecan]

I rather get arrested then join

[maiden grove]

At least half of young people don't even support Israel anymore

You think they'd be willing to die in a conflict that started from this?

[woeful orbit]

I’m not dying for a government that wouldn’t bleed for me in a war I don’t agree with, and I feel like that sentiment is growing stronger in the west

[dreamy frost]

you wouldnt have a choice

Americans aren't going to flee to other countries, it's not the same as europe

[stiff pecan]

I would

[maiden grove]

Oh, you would. Prison is the alternative if you're unlucky enough to be caught

Better to live in prison than die in war

[stiff pecan]

Yes

[maiden grove]

They can't physically force you, they can only punish you for not complying

[stiff pecan]

I’m not fighting for some old people who are just sending people to die while they eat in fancy shit

[timber halo]

Would draft even happen

[woeful orbit]

Shout out to that Taylor swift stan that dodged the IDF draft

[maiden grove]

Not in a war against Iran alone

In a war against Russia and/or China, potentially

[dreamy frost]

We will never go to war against Russia or China im sorry bros

[maiden grove]

(good)

[stiff pecan]

Hopefully

[dreamy frost]

But even if it did there's a very high chance that Russia and China are over-reporting their nuclear capabilities to the point that we and allies could probably shoot down most if not all working nukes

And Iran? Guaranteed.

[timber halo]

I doubt with the current tech we have, that you'd need huge numbers of soldiers in the Frontline since you got drones and tanks

I'm waiting for the US to deploy power armors

[dreamy frost]

Also, US involvement in Iran would be: 90% Air strikes and 10% occupying Tehran and the coastline

[maiden grove]

Iran would be fucked

That's exactly why they've been so cautious

[timber halo]

Can I get my Reddit Gold now

[dreamy frost]

We DESTROYED Irak in Desert Shield/Storm because of the US airforce absolutely annihilating his armor and guard

it would be even more so now with Iran, but with drones as well

[timber halo]

I mean I'm joking but if your average joe can make this
https://youtube.com/shorts/DWX5pbklyjE?si=A1LFNfBp0z-mjcz0

[dreamy frost]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-edgerunners-time-slow-time-stop-cyberpsychosis-gif-26734128

Come back to me when Cyberpunk Sandevistan is real

[stiff pecan]

Also Puerto Rico being able to get drafted yet we aren’t a state is bullshit

[timber halo]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-prime-video-bethesda-brotherhood-of-steel-power-armor-gif-12786921429865246493

[stiff pecan]

Give me iron man suit that I can keep then I’ll consider

[dreamy frost]

In a total war scenario every single man capable of holding a radio and firing a gun will be drafted

Ukraine is seeing that reality now as they had to raise the draft age

[stiff pecan]

I’m going to be obese

[dreamy frost]

you can still use a radio

Welcome to the Airforce, Operator

[stiff pecan]

And I’ll break my legs

[dreamy frost]

Good, now you'll be able to pilot the drones 24/7

[stiff pecan]

I don’t got anything else

[dreamy frost]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-2-gif-1471368634578542573

[stiff pecan]

Other then just be ass and miss everything

[timber halo]

I'd pilot drones honestly if we were to be drafted in force

[foggy forge]

There's always the option of being imprisoned

[dreamy frost]

I wouldn't

[stiff pecan]

The good ending

[dreamy frost]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/09/podcasts/the-daily/drones-airstrikes-military-ptsd.html

[stiff pecan]

How long is prison time for that

[timber halo]

Except for the PTSD from exploding schools I doubt you'd get any physical damage

[dreamy frost]

https://www.gq.com/story/drone-uav-pilot-assassination

[stiff pecan]

Yeah prison is looking pretty nice

[maiden grove]

You'd not have a choice on what you do

If they told you to be cannon fodder, you'd be cannon fodder

[stiff pecan]

Or desert

[timber halo]

I find it funny that people think that as if you wouldn't be used as basically an human shield

[stiff pecan]

That’s why il do everything I can to not go

[timber halo]

They'd probably sedate you and you'll wake up in a tent somewhere in a desert

[dreamy frost]

Anyway Drone Operators always end up traumatized, alcoholics, or devoid of human empathy

[timber halo]

I doubt drafting would happen tbh at least how people think it is

Worst you'd have to work in factories

Making a power armor

@dreamy frost you should rename it Middle Eastern Conflict Discussion

[unkempt plume]

Can we just get the Titanfall tech already

[dreamy frost]

turns out when you can kill human lives with a button press constantly for years and years it turns you into a different person

[timber halo]

Eggman never really asked but are you for or against a ceasefire

[dreamy frost]

I also want to point out that Iran made this move AFTER Biden threatened bibbi with policy changes

[unkempt plume]

A ceasefire would be good

The main goal of the war has already been achieved as hamas is broken as an organisation

[dreamy frost]

Cant wait to see Hamas and Hesbollah attacking Israel for the next ten years

[timber halo]

What are the odds of a spike in terrorism in the world

[dreamy frost]

That already happened lol

[timber halo]

I'm guessing 📈

[dreamy frost]

ISIS spiked it

[timber halo]

Btw eggman are you safe

I'm kinda worried about silver since he lives in one of the big cities

[grand glacier]

Eggman has a bunker

[dreamy frost]

I also want to remind everyone, that Israel bombed an Iranian embassy to kill a military General

This is a forced hand

[grand glacier]

Apparently all new houses in Isreal have them

[timber halo]

Ik but like, Silver and Eggman didn't do anything

[dreamy frost]

never said they did

[grand glacier]

Yeah I do t feel bad at all for the Israeli government it’s just that Iran will be killing civilians too

[dreamy frost]

But this isnt Iran crusading for Palestine, its literally a retaliatory attack

[woeful orbit]

Possibly the biggest example of fucking around and finding out we’ll ever see

[grand glacier]

And the internet will deem it okay because colonizers or some shit

[dreamy frost]

So far it looks like theyve only targeted non-civilian targets

Re: Iran

[grand glacier]

Let’s see how long that’ll last

[dreamy frost]

Also, Iran announced it way ahead and theyre on the way... it almost feels virtue signalling

"We have to do something because you attacked us"

Lol

[timber halo]

Honestly if it's the case and Iran tries to avoid casualties it might be "beneficial" for israel civilians too i think? At least the way I see it it's gonna be easier for the conflict to resolve itself if the government weren't asshats

@dreamy frost wouldn't draft just cause a civil war

Hell, US deploying in the conflict

[dreamy frost]

No

[timber halo]

I legit doubt people would want to get drafted to a war they are against

[dreamy frost]

I think you are over estimating antiwar support

Most boomers are pro Israel

As are gen xers

My mother is one of those people who thinks it's a holy war we will have to fight in

Please just shoot me if I start saying that nonsense in old age

[unkempt plume]

Well uhh

[maiden grove]

Boomers and gen xers aren't the ones who would do most of the fighting though

[unkempt plume]

The drones are now being shot down here

That first fucking boom scared my ass

But man

[blissful forge]

this feud has existed for millenia, it was going to happen sooner or later

just sucks it happened in our time

[unkempt plume]

It's beautiful
Shit looks like falling stars

And no I did not take a video

[timber halo]

Boomers can't go to war

So does Gen X

Maybe there's like 40% of millennials and gen Z who supports Israel but most of them properly doesn't go to war either

[fiery walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/heartless-the-weeknd-lights-gif-15941451

Eggman right now

[blissful forge]

the country wont, but independent groups might

depends on the extent of US interference with this first attack

and how mad it gets them ig

[dreamy frost]

Aubrey, who do you think controls all 3 branches of government?

90% of them were born before Vietnam lol

[maiden grove]

I thought this was about how much pushback there would be if we did go to war

[timber halo]

Do you think people would be listening to old boomers if it directly impacted them

[dreamy frost]

The Senate is a nursing home and they're the ones who handle foreign affairs

Biden is a Zionist

And Congress is a bunch of grifters and pro Russian idiots

[timber halo]

I mean yeah a conflict is inevitable but I mean, a draft wouldn't happen

[dreamy frost]

A draft would happen if all of Europe or North America was at stake

Otherwise not really. That wasn't what my point was.

[timber halo]

I know at least it wouldn't happen here (didn't we condemn Isreal)

[dreamy frost]

My point was the antiwar movement wouldn't have a lot of strength here

Especially because those who are Anti Israel are Pro Ukraine

So it's a huge contradiction

[timber halo]

Though the draft would be to work in factories or supplies right

I doubt they'd need to send people there like they did in ww2

[dreamy frost]

Also older people tend not to listen to us young people, therefore the anti Zionist boomers are... Sadly, the anti semites and conspiracy nuts

[timber halo]

You probably need less manpower in the front with all the new technology

[blissful forge]

the difference is ukraine isnt trying to expand, just be left alone

being anti war and pro ukraine isnt mutually exclusive imo

[dreamy frost]

You can't really say that about Hamas killing 2k people

It's the retaliation that's the problem

[blissful forge]

i saying that about israel

[dreamy frost]

Israel wasnt trying to expand into Gaza until this happened.

Now it's inevitable because no one is left

[blissful forge]

wasnt that what netanyahu wanted in the first place? this feels like the excuse he was looking for

[dreamy frost]

I'm sorry but I think you're wrong here. Most antiwar people I know also think we should stop supporting Ukraine AND Israel

[blissful forge]

eh maybe

[dreamy frost]

I am anti offensive wars

[blissful forge]

I dont know very well how americans see the conflict

[dreamy frost]

Everyone has a right to defend themselves

[blissful forge]

here in brazil this stuff is barely discussed because we never get involved

[dreamy frost]

....including Iran. As they are now 💀

[blissful forge]

if people are not getting drafted, they are not going to care

[dreamy frost]

Brazil literally participated in both world wars and Operation Desert Shield

[blissful forge]

our ww2 participation was pathetic

[dreamy frost]

Still did better than Bulgaria

[timber halo]

@dreamy frost wouldn't you be a perfect asset if a draft were to happen?

[dreamy frost]

I think my health problems would save me from any Frontline position.

[grand glacier]

Most Americans in general

It’s basically only 18-34 year olds who are very pro Palestine

[dreamy frost]

I'm still dealing with some kind of disk injury in my back, I am not capable of doing any infantry task

Honestly a miracle I was a pallbearer today

[grand glacier]

Hippie sarif arc

[foggy forge]

https://fxtwitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1779284711832981615 Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if WW3 does happen

[blissful forge]

what are the odds israel retaliates?

i mean, iran said they are done, the missiles were payback for the embassy and this matter is now concluded

[dreamy frost]

Slim now that Biden is finally yanking the collar and leash

[blissful forge]

if netanyahu can just shut up and eat it this once then we might not see it escalate

[dreamy frost]

This is honestly cute compared to the type of dick measuring European militaries used to do in the 19th century

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastry_War

[stiff pecan]

Which government has the longest nuke

[unkempt plume]

Mind you this is them saying they stopped launching, not that things will stop getting here

[woeful orbit]

Have we considered personality

[stiff pecan]

Which nuke has three pretty nails

[unkempt plume]

Also, I found a video to demonstrate what I said about falling stars earlier

[stiff pecan]

We should make nukes with a face