Prehistoric Planet

[strong geyser]

Like, there are people out there who think the larger Quetzal species are like landlocked to Ojo Alamo

[torpid ocean]

kuru went extinct 72.1 MYA before the Maastrichtian, its formation was replaced by Nemegt

And in its place emerged adasaurus (and this third velo species apparently?)

Meanwhile corythoraptor itself evolved some 67 MYA I see, so by the time it'd be around to travel to Mongolia for nesting season, kuru's (possible) descendants jumped into the fray

shamosuchus was similarly "replaced" by paralligator at around a similar time period, with the latter being a Nemegt local

[strong geyser]

Like Erior said, there's potentially change for wiggle room when it comes to some species. We may not have a full understanding of it's chronologic range. For all we know, animals like Tarbosaurus could have lived to the KPG

So if a species is off by a million or so years then eh

[torpid ocean]

I honestly believe the Nemegt died out with the meteor like everything else

It's reasonable to assume they continued onwards for a few more million years until BAM

[strong geyser]

I mean, I doubt every animal there just went away after the dating for it lmao

[torpid ocean]

exactly

the only time I subscribe to the idea of anachronism for PHP is when the animal's formation underlies a more recent one with a clear-cut descendant

[strong geyser]

There's probably a Tarbosaurus descendant that took it's place later on, kind of like a Giga - Mapu situation

[torpid ocean]

it could easily be another tarbosaurus species

but the safe bet would be to simply call it tarbosaurus

[strong geyser]

Or that, maybe they died out and Alioramids took over, the sky is the limit

we don't know

[torpid ocean]

yeah

I personally go for the safe route

[autumn flint]

We literally have a single fragmentary specimen of the animal

[torpid ocean]

Nemegt made it to the K-T barrier before the big blast of death

[autumn flint]

Djadochta and Nemegt seem to be continuous anyway

[torpid ocean]

even a tooth is enough to radiometrically date something, like good ol' pectinodon

also, how fragmentary is kuru?

[autumn flint]

Yeah, but saying it was extinct in the maastrichian because the single specimen is from the latest campanian...

[torpid ocean]

seems like it went Djadochta --> Barun Goyot --> Nemegt

[autumn flint]

TTBT they should have just called it an adasaur, but, yeah

[torpid ocean]

I root that in adasaurus

or as it should be called, Velociraptor [insert species]

[autumn flint]

"It was previously known as the Lower Nemegt Beds occurring beneath the Nemegt Formation and above the Djadokhta Formation. It has been suggested that the Djadokhta and Barun Goyot Formations are lower and upper parts, respectively, of the same lithological unit and the boundary between the two does not exist. "

[torpid ocean]

damn Barsbold

[torpid ocean]

hollup

[autumn flint]

Those 3 form a continuum

[torpid ocean]

indeed

seems like it went velociraptor --> kuru --> adasaurus then

[autumn flint]

Nah

Kuru was found in the exact same place as Shri

Which appears to be distinct

Kuru claded with Adasaurus and Shri with Velociraptor

[torpid ocean]

hmm

[autumn flint]

And Adasaurus arguably has the reduced toe claw (although it being assignable to Adasaurus itself may be another discussion)

[torpid ocean]

Adasaurus kulla?

[autumn flint]

Wolf-sized Adasaurs and coyote-sized Velociraptors may be niche partitioning of velociraptorines in that area

But, we need more work done

(and more phylo analysis

[torpid ocean]

didn't the phylo published with kuru and shri also clade deinonychus as a velociraptorine?

[autumn flint]

Kuru and Shri's descriptions had Deinonychus closer to Ada/Velo than Tsagaan is to either, and Balaur closer to Velo than Ada

[torpid ocean]

this doesn't feel right

[autumn flint]

Hence a "we need more work"

That's from Napoli et al.

Napoli, as in the guy from the Paleo Crew videos

[torpid ocean]

I don't know him

[strong geyser]

Deinon is a Velociraptorine?

[autumn flint]

Doubt it

[torpid ocean]

it can't be

[autumn flint]

I mean, the dromaeosaurine-velociraptorine split IS a deep one

Utahraptor is a dromaeosaurine from almost the Jurassic

[torpid ocean]

Balaur however is no dromaeosaur

[autumn flint]

and so by definition we may expect plenty of velociraptorines all over the cretaceous

But, Deinonychus being nested within the mongolian Velociraptorines is something I highly doubt

[torpid ocean]

yeah

that's the odd one

[autumn flint]

Not only by geography, but also by how most analysis go

[torpid ocean]

I'd sooner belief deinonychus is a fucking saurornitholestine than a velociraptorine

[autumn flint]

(Just like the 2 species of Edmontonia being recovered as having split from each other in the Jurassic in the thyreophoran paper last week, those are weird results that ought to be reevaluated)

[torpid ocean]

the former is the surviving subfamily in the US during the Maastrichtian, like acheroraptor, saurornitholestes, atrociraptor...

though dromaeosaurines did thrive in Alaska with dromaeosaurus proper

[autumn flint]

Oh boy

Yeah, doubting Adasaurus as the sister taxon of Utah+Achillo

[torpid ocean]

one of those is not like the other

[autumn flint]

Atroci is often recovered as a dromaeosaurine

And Achero is often a velociraptorine

[torpid ocean]

hmm

well maybe acheroraptor is a rather exceptional example of a western velociraptorine

atrociraptor being a dromaeosaurine wouldn't be out of place since it's further north with others

[autumn flint]

(nvm, atroci was described as a velociraptorine)

Still, remember

edmontosaurs arrived from Asia into NA

Tyrannosaurus arrived from Asia into NA after some daspletosaurs moved into Asia

[torpid ocean]

there IS this
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02724634.2021.2010087?journalCode=ujvp20#.YhPHvcpTPBM

[autumn flint]

Prenocephaline pachycephalosaurs moved from Asia into NA

[autumn flint]

Shame on the paywall

(and wikipedia as of recent years is being quite lame in terms of what phylo trees are there)

[torpid ocean]

yeah but there IS this in the abstract

Phylogenetic analysis recovered three well-defined clades within Eudromaeosauria and corroborated occurrence data within the fossil record. Acheroraptor and Atrociraptor were recovered as derived members of Saurornitholestinae. Deinonychus is recovered as a basal eudromaeosaurian, sharing features with dromaeosaurines and saurornitholestines. These results challenge previous biogeographic hypotheses suggesting Asian and North American faunal interchange during the Late Cretaceous and support convergence of traits relating to snout dimensions and proportions.

just some food for thought, it's a 2022 study

[autumn flint]

These results challenge previous biogeographic hypotheses suggesting Asian and North American faunal interchange during the Late Cretaceous and support convergence of traits relating to snout dimensions and proportions.

I'll be skeptical, mostly because non-sauropods were going across the Beringia with ease

Sauropods seem to be unable to thrive with high latitudes

But everything else appears to be making the trip

(anyway, I'm off to nap lol)

[ember blaze]

Man I think great Episide

Anyway kuru is great

[autumn flint]

Kuru and Veloci chicks were throughly different tho

Would have enjoyed some swimming pteranodonts in this one, but was awesome; the mosasaur speed work was also great

[spiral shell]

i like how at this time around, the animals are interacting with the camera.

[autumn flint]

Loved the hesperorn

And the danger tuna

[quasi harbor]

I’m surprised Jack Horner isn’t in prehistoric planet, considering how many animals in this predate on children specifically

I stole this and am unashamed

[peak hollow]

im glad he isnt in it

[ember blaze]

so im suprised given how much plebb has complained

that he hasnt brought up hesperonis is campanian

little lad

best deisng

[torpid ocean]

Hesperornis has a few species who reach to 70.6 MYA or so based on fossilworks

[ember blaze]

i knoq

[torpid ocean]

70.6 is Maastrichtian

[ember blaze]

asiahesparonis

[torpid ocean]

I was shocked at how cute the baby nostoceras are

but also wtf is a nostoceras

I... why?

how the FUCK is this practical

[lofty thistle]

How do they eat ?

[torpid ocean]

Can they even eat??

[ember blaze]

also plebb

tuba

haha

[torpid ocean]

ikr

I was like

God was drunk designing these or something?

how does evolution think a tuba lookin ass is a good form

[ember blaze]

best part of the episode

this is my son

[torpid ocean]

I wonder if there's an adult design

[ember blaze]

no

[torpid ocean]

I mean I know there isn't in the episode

But like, concept art?

maybe?

[ember blaze]

velociraptor but on fire

fire png

[lofty thistle]

Imagine if they're like some species of moth lol

[torpid ocean]

Eru can you imagine

[lofty thistle]

Where they can't eat and immediately try to mate

[torpid ocean]

Pyroraptor is not very big on its own

can you imagine the size of the babies

how TINY they must really be?

[lofty thistle]

One bite snack

[torpid ocean]

me with all the babies in PHP

[ember blaze]

yes

[lofty thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/reginald-angry-eating-angry-eating-monster-house-gif-20013301

Me

[ember blaze]

Gently Chews

[torpid ocean]

FUCK YOU

NO

GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT SHIT

[ember blaze]

also

btw

[lofty thistle]

HAHAHAHA

[ember blaze]

baby eating baby

they know what we want

[torpid ocean]

baby eating fetish

[ember blaze]

also thank you rp twitter for these amazing images

[little coral]

Isn't that the Kuru kulla baby

[ember blaze]

no

we

[little coral]

I mean not in that context

[little coral]

But the design

[ember blaze]

they all have the same model

[lofty thistle]

All are raptor copies

[torpid ocean]

bruh

[ember blaze]

so fun fact

we dont have velociraptor chilldren

[torpid ocean]

why does baby pyroraptor have more effort put into different colors than kuru

[ember blaze]

baby raptors

they dont exist

basically we are working of make adult small

[torpid ocean]

it appears for 10 seconds to eat some baby nostoceras and yet it's easier to tell it apart than kuru who has its entire ass segment 💀

[little coral]

Kuru and Pyroraptor babies have the same skin

[torpid ocean]

idk man

I mean it's hard to tell any difference with the darkness in kuru's segment

[ember blaze]

wait guys

they are making a wwd reference

[little coral]

Check the cheeks

[torpid ocean]

man

the most depressing part is that it really didn't need to be like this

[lofty thistle]

Another pp L

[torpid ocean]

they could've just opted to not have kuru and instead give its segment to velociraptor

[lofty thistle]

Or

[torpid ocean]

it shouldn't even be alive with corythoraptor anyway

[lofty thistle]

Use another different small carnivore

[torpid ocean]

imagine the egg thief is a mononykus

feeding its mononykus babies

[lofty thistle]

What carnivores lived with Cory ?

[torpid ocean]

in reality it's a reasonable assumption that just about any smallish theropod who's got carnivorous or omnivorous tendencies could've been an "egg thief"

even oviraptor

free protein and all

[torpid ocean]

There's a breathtaking diversity of oviraptorosaurs in the Nanxiong Formation and could've been any one of them, but I have a feeling that the PHP team would not want to show an egg-eating oviraptorosaur

[lofty thistle]

That's dumb really

[torpid ocean]

They want to subvert "paleo tropes" and unfortunately egg-eating oviraptorosaurs is a very common trope

[lofty thistle]

So they would rather have a time travelling dino then use an animal that already lives there

[ember blaze]

i like kuru

its coo;

[torpid ocean]

kuru itself is cool yeah

but not the PHP one

mf got to appear in media and is forced to look identical to its far more popular cousin

[lofty thistle]

I would rather have that then velo 2.0

[ember blaze]

its literally a velociraptor

like

[torpid ocean]

honestly though they could've used something like heyuannia or nemegtomaia

instead of corythoraptor

the latter is also in Nemegt

[lofty thistle]

You mean the irl animal ?

[ember blaze]

its a velocirapterine

[lofty thistle]

I know

[torpid ocean]

alternatively if they wanted a segment of corythoraptor travelling from the ginkgo forests to the Gobi desert there are plenty of Maastrichtian species that'd eat eggs realistically

[lofty thistle]

Still make it different then velociraptor

[torpid ocean]

by that logic it'd be excusable that rex and tarbo would be identical cause they're both tyrannosaurines

[lofty thistle]

Not just copy and paste the same model

[torpid ocean]

It is true that kuru is mostly, superficially, very velociraptor-esque thanks to some lineage shenanigans and the Velociraptorinae, but like Darren himself said there'd be "plumage differences"

[lofty thistle]

Also alot of animals look completely different than their skeleton

Look at lions and tigers

Both skeletons are exactly the same

But they look completely different from the outside

[torpid ocean]

Also I'm still trying to understand why the corythoraptor are in the Gobi desert

[ember blaze]

change your status

[torpid ocean]

Like why specifically do they nest in the hot sun when the show itself proves how detrimental it is to their health and eggs

[ember blaze]

Forever podering corythoraptor

[torpid ocean]

why would an animal voluntarily go nest in the desert? I'd think it's because of the heat helping to incubate the eggs, but then the show goes all like "the eggs would be cooked under the sun"

[little coral]

@torpid ocean Excuse the crappy editing

[torpid ocean]

so like wtf are you doing there

[lofty thistle]

3rd pp L

[torpid ocean]

Meanwhile, dromaeosaurs in S1:

[little coral]

and hadrosaurs

https://i.redd.it/2yspjqw4hl491.jpg

[torpid ocean]

The only reskin is that hadrosaur the antarctopelta bebes walk by

[little coral]

this guy was only in it for like 3 shots

[torpid ocean]

yeah

that's a good usage of a reskin

it's there for a few shots and is mostly background

[autumn flint]

We do have maastrichian hesperornithids, but due to how the WIS receded, we can't really find the equivalent fossils in NA; there was no longer sea over Kansas in the Maastrichian, and you cannot go dig under the gulf of Mexico to see if you find fossil-bearing chalk

(still, the Moroccan and European rocks show us that that biota was thriving)

[ember blaze]

ik

[autumn flint]

It is at night my dude, relax

Pyroraptor being a chick was neat, as that way its affinities are ambiguous

incomplete mofo may be an unenlagiid or an eudromaeosaur

but we have feet, an arm bone, a tail vertebra and 2 teeth

And, well, those two look far more alike than their adult selves

[torpid ocean]

yeah it's not uncommon for babies to look pretty similar

[torpid ocean]

I do think the best course of action would've been to... just not have kuru?

Give its segment to velociraptor and BAM, you got normal velo babies and then you got yellowish pyro babies

alternatively throw zanabazar a bone if corythoraptor's going to the desert

[autumn flint]

Representation of multiple velociraptorine lineages

And Corythoraptor in the desert is not that farfetched

(on adults looking quite alike, btw)

[torpid ocean]

no I know it's not farfetched

but like

the problem is in this context it doesn't make sense

Attenborough's narration implies that corythoraptor bothering to make the trip is stupid

[torpid ocean]

the sun is so hot where they are it'd cook the eggs

and they need to cover it themselves and overheat

[autumn flint]

We... literally have fossils of Citipati buried under sandstorms while brooding

[torpid ocean]

yes and citipati is native to the deserts

[autumn flint]

Like Corythoraptor

The animal bracketed within that lineage

That's Corythoraptor's formation

Red beds are made out of sandstone

And, again, Nemegt and the like wasn't just merely desert, but also had wetland components, as seen with Deinocheirus and arguably Halszkaraptorines

[torpid ocean]

Interesting, this is in corythoraptor's Wikipedia page

[autumn flint]

Good art

[orchid pond]

That's going to be a problem no matter what Oviraptorid it is

[torpid ocean]

then what was the gingko forest about?

[torpid ocean]

yeah I was saying that not knowing that Nanxiong had some degree of desert to it

[autumn flint]

Animals do not work like Zoo Tycoon animals and don't get sad faces and red meters when their environment is heterogeneous

Animals very closely related to Corythoraptor nested in desert sands

[torpid ocean]

I... never said anything that implied I was treating it like a game

[autumn flint]

I know I know, sorry, was making a generalization

(I'm just having a very bad case of anxiety this month, and having your brain swimming in adrenaline makes it harder to make properly constructive responses; I'm trying, sorry for the increased assholitude, and thanks for your patience)

[torpid ocean]

that's aight

if corythoraptor did live in a desert-like environment then its segment by itself isn't that bad

I would've argued they could've mentioned it moving further to Mongolia to avoid a certain alioramin who LOVES oviraptorosaurs

but in there it has to deal with predators after its precious egg clutch

[orchid pond]

I presume it's just a separate population

And the ones in the forest do this same strategy in the forest

[torpid ocean]

perhaps...

[autumn flint]

Both specimens assigned to Alioramus are from Nemegt tho

(and the sinensis alioramin IS coeval with Corythoraptor)

Forest patches near the desert seems to have been the environment there over the campanian-maastrichian

[peak hollow]

i think if it was another velociraptor segment itd start to feel like we saw velo too much, its a small and simple change to make it kuru but i like it

[autumn flint]

I stand by this

[orchid pond]

They were referring to the Pinocchio rex

[torpid ocean]

I feel like velociraptor wouldn't have had as many segments if it wasn't called velociraptor

[autumn flint]

Yeah, I know, but, there were Alioramins in both places

That's fucking powerful

semitruck whale lizard

(and the sad thing was not seeing Asteriornis)

[slate moon]

How do they eat?

[slate moon]

That’s what I thought 😂

[autumn flint]

Could be filter feeders

Ammonoids are highly diverse and long lasting weirdos

And I'm not a mollusk guy, even if I like cephalopods the most out of those

[spiral shell]

highly diverse, yes, long lasting, no.

[autumn flint]

This is VERY long lasting

For most of the time where complex life was on the planet, there were ammonoids littering the seas

[spiral shell]

at the time i said that, i was thinking you were talking by lifespan.

[autumn flint]

Ah my bad

Should had been clearer

Still, I'd expect ammonoids to live longer than living cephalopods

Even if reproduction is limited

Nautilus can live for 20 years, versus coeloid cephalopods being ancient at the age of 3

[spiral shell]

yeah, i should have been more clear.

[autumn flint]

Ammonoid shells took their time to grow

So perhaps a long time 'till maduration, and then a single reproductive event or so, may be the case

coeloids speed their lifecycle up and perhaps that's what allowed them to survive

[ember blaze]

Hi

[autumn flint]

Hiya, how's it going?

[strong geyser]

Man that was so cool

[dim fog]

it has possible maastrichtian fossil record though

lived 83.6-72 MYA, the maastrichtian began 72.1 MYA

[dim fog]

I often see a paperclip as the reference instead

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/259465237432893441/1082701875490586664/IMG_8039.jpg

here's a paleoart piece of a Vegavis (early relative of ducks and geese) using a Diplomoceras shell stuck in a tree as a home

[ember blaze]

I caught a cold

[dim fog]

memes go in #memes , not here

[slate moon]

Mb

[spiral shell]

well i hope you get better as i have been.

[autumn flint]

Hoping it is just a cold, my entire family caught covid last month, so that crap is still at large; take care and get well!

[autumn flint]

And, well, we have plenty of hesperorns in the maastritchian, but mostly from freshwater environments; large seagoing ones are likely to still be around; I'm betting Maastritch for remains of those

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-nemo-seagull-gif-18349043

the Prenocephale in a nutshell.

[autumn flint]

https://twitter.com/TetZoo/status/1661812509341351955

Darren Naish (@TetZoo)

@RickRaptor105 @digital_duck Note the asymmetry of the soft body, in particular the arms and webbing -- all something that developed across ontogeny. They were most likely planktivorous and probably used rotation to gather prey. We did SO much research on heteromorphs! #PrehistoricPlanet

Twitter · May 25, 2023, 7:12 PM

[spiral shell]

https://twitter.com/AllosaurusBr/status/1661795954880643095?s=20

Allo_SUS 🦕🚀 (@AllosaurusBr)

1/2Watching again one of the "discovering" of Prehistoric Planet I noticed the presence of many concept art of dinosaurs that we saw in the first and second season (circled in red). I also noticed animals that may appear in season 3 (in cyan)#PrehistoricPlanet2 #PrehistoricPlanet

Twitter · May 25, 2023, 6:06 PM

[torpid ocean]

huh

[ember blaze]

Laughs

They eat plankton

[autumn flint]

Making their own currents to eat

Weird space saucers

[spiral shell]

have i ever said that i find happiness in knowing that they had the violin part of the main theme of Prehistoric Planet in the end credits of Prehistoric Planet 2?

[torpid ocean]

I find happiness in Prehistoric Planet's general existence

[spiral shell]

the violin part in it is beautiful.

[strong geyser]

It's out friends

[torpid ocean]

DAAAAAMN

[orchid pond]

I have never laughed more at a segment in this show than the rex vs Quetz one, that is all so far

[strong geyser]

Aw, it's over

[tacit isle]

It was an alright episode tbh.

I feel like S2 started strong but kinda sputtered a bit at the end.

The Mosa part wasn't really necessary and, while pretty neat, could have been more useful in the Oceans episode.

[strong geyser]

It just kicked to me that Pachyrhino and Triceratops are the only ceratopsians seen in the series

[tacit isle]

Yeah I've been thinking about that.

I feel like season 2 reused quite a bit of S1's species.

In the case of Rex and Trike, I'm fine with that.

But did we really need three episodes to feature Mosa?

[spiral shell]

what a journey.

[autumn flint]

I mean, they were pretty much the sole remaining ceratopsIDS

fast evolving lineages

Still, Leptoceratops and a protoceratopsid would had been swell

https://twitter.com/albertonykus/status/1661803772673228816 For the record, on Hesperornis

Alberta Claw (@albertonykus)

If you watched today’s #PrehistoricPlanet, you probably saw the amazing Hesperornis! It’s the only aquatic creature in this episode that is a dinosaur. Dinosaurs may be better known for their diversity on land, but Hesperornis shows how they’ve adapted superbly to the ocean, too.

Likes

157

Twitter · May 25, 2023, 6:37 PM

[orchid pond]

Idk if I've mentioned this before but the uncovered segments in the bonus content section have banger credits music

[spiral shell]

could someone get an image of Globidens?

i need to do a comparison.

[spiral shell]

maybe a more closeup look at it?

i want to see if it's colors match up.

[strong geyser]

Yeah that's what I mean. I know how you feel about Torosaurus and other chasmosaurines, but there's definitely others that could have made an appearance.

[spiral shell]

yeah this season didn't really introduce a whole lot of new species.

[quasi harbor]

How did rex vs Quetz go?

[orchid pond]

The quetzs chased off the rex

Was genuinely hilarious with the disconnect between visuals showing the Quetzals annoying the rex and the narration calling the situation "incredibly deadly" imo

Honestly I wish we spent more time with the dying male setup Alamosaurus instead of having it just be set up for the carcass fight

Show him struggling to keep up with the herd and eventually succumbing to old age at the end of the segment, maybe with it being shown his body will be scavenged

[autumn flint]

Not risking getting pecked by 2 meter long beaks into them grapefruit-sized eyes; just take some time to go for a stroll while those fucks fill themselves up; won't be much, and not worth losing an eye

[orchid pond]

Idc about the fight, just do anything other than making the most unintentionally hilarious scene in the show

[spiral shell]

i wasn't expecting to see T-rex having chunks of sauropod flesh in it's mouth.

[spiral shell]

i counted a total of 30 new animal species.

[orchid pond]

Thought round up for segments aside from the beginning:

• Globidens is nice, nothing else I can say about it except it's nice. I'm ngl, the Mosasaur segments kinda peaked with the Mosasaurus fight and haven't really been that enjoyable for me (not counting the ending segment of Coasts). Glad for more ammonite focus though, this series is great with that
• Pectonodon was a cute and really enjoyable segment imo, loved its design and the weirdo ducks
• Triceratops is competing for my favorite segment. I love the absolute size of the old bull and it's always nice to see a ceratopsian fight.
• Nanuq is probably my favorite of the bunch unless Trike overthrows, it does sell the desperation of the mother quite well and for some reason it really felt different from other hunt segments this season.

[spiral shell]

i really want a better screenshot of the Styginetta then the one i've got.

if you add up all of the species in the whole of season one and two, you'd end up with a total of 82 different species.

[torpid ocean]

Pectinodon was AMAZING

every second on screen was gold

the babies trying so hard to catch flies

those trio of females glaring daggers at the rex with the alamo carcass

the dad was cool too, beautiful design

I'm glad that this episode didn't have any unnamed species BS

[orchid pond]

Yee, they were all so energetic, fun, and a joy to watch

And their design was just, 👌

The color combinations and blending, the texturing (only bringing that up because I found the other Troodontid less believably rendered), and the patterning on the chicks all looked so good

[orchid pond]

And instead of this, we got a tooth taxon

A wonderful thing to use

[torpid ocean]

is this sarcasm?

[orchid pond]

I guess

[dim fog]

they had tooth decay

[orchid pond]

Exactly

[orchid pond]

Just remembered that the Nanuqsaurus seemed to have a summer coat, that's pretty neat (unless my brain is just tricking me into thinking it's different)

[upbeat yacht]

https://youtu.be/CCE6rLybCVQ

The part at 4:20 gave me goosebumps

[torpid ocean]

it isn't different

it looks about the same

[echo plover]

David Krentz's work on Php

[strong geyser]

I liked the Tyrannosaurus - Quetz sequence, but I still kind of think it's a little inconceivable.

Quetz is too big of an animal to be harassing T. rex like a crow. And sure it's pecks hurt but T. rex could end it's life with one bite, and they know.

In a kind of comparable situation it could be like the relationship between Hyenas and Vultures. If there's enough food they usually just feast together, but if there's a limited quantity, Hyenas scare them off as the Vultures wait their turn.

And that's the other thing, there was so much food for the rex to be scaring away even the smallest scavengers. It would be like grizzlies chasing away seagulls from a whale carcass.

[ember blaze]

Great Episide

Wish I wasn’t sick

[autumn flint]

The thing with quetz is that it has a VERY long beak; I'd think more marabou stork instead of vulture ttbt

And, hot take, but Nanuq should had been Alberto

grumble grumble

[peak hollow]

it feels a little fitting if this is the final season
season ones poster is the swimming rex and that was the first segment, this seasons poster was the nanuq and that was the last segment, theyre like bookends

[autumn flint]

And the first season ends on the same animals the second season begins, as well

[little coral]

I liked the first two episodes the best. I feel like the show lost a lot of momentum after that, and ended on a softer note

[lofty thistle]

Welp

Really any bird that stays on land gets destroyed by any carnivore

[autumn flint]

Go punch a goose silver 🙃

[tacit isle]

Also for those that complained about the show not having a lot of blood, this was probably the bloodiest episode of the season.

What really got me was the young bull Trike with the broken horn.

[lofty thistle]

Working on that

[spiral shell]

i noticed that too but i wasn't sure if i was seeing it right.

what a beautiful duck.

[autumn flint]

Presbyorns deserve love

[autumn flint]

https://twitter.com/SerpenIllus/status/1662086932195602432

Gabriel N. U. (@SerpenIllus)

And thus, episode 5 of #PrehistoricPlanet  2 “North America” is here! I had the pleasure to do the creature design for Alamosaurus, Globidens and those cute baby Nanuqsaurus (really happy with all of them)

Twitter · May 26, 2023, 1:22 PM

[spiral shell]

it's cool that we've gotten not one, not two, but three different Troodontid's in the whole of this series.

[little coral]

i assumed the last two being the same, just different sexes

but you never know with this show

[molten vapor]

Styginetta was cool.

[spiral shell]

can we appreciate that Alamosaurus who just laid down and welcomed death?

[molten vapor]

rest in peace, wise one

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/my-time-has-come-gif-9231594

[autumn flint]

Pectinodon is pretty much the one troodont that lived alongside Tyrannosaurus in any case

"Styginetta" is still a nomen nudum, has yet to be properly published tho

[molten vapor]

yea, Its just what the show called it

[autumn flint]

IK IK

https://twitter.com/TetZoo/status/1662085351496638464 At the end of the day...

Darren Naish (@TetZoo)

@albertonykus @nyjrb90 I do what I can...

Twitter · May 26, 2023, 1:16 PM

[orchid pond]

I still wish the segment was on him over the squabble at its corpse

Having something just die of old age in a prehistoric documentary is a rare occurrence for some reason

[torpid ocean]

unless the PP team literally made up a troodontid out of thin air, it’s honestly the case that the ones scavenging the alamosaurus are also pectinodon

same model, same color, same general area even

[orchid pond]

Yeah it's pretty much the same thing but without the white highlights

[torpid ocean]

and the white highlights would make great male patterning

[spiral shell]

so why are all of these females together then?

[spiral shell]

why?

[orchid pond]

It's a bunch of siblings or they're mutually coming together after noticing the Alamosaurus carcass

[spiral shell]

so one or two of them could be males that haven't developed their adult plumage yet. well played.

but wait, they'd still be dalmation if that were the case.

[orchid pond]

I never said that but okay

[spiral shell]

the experts in the interview mentioned that there were about 16 new dinosaur species in this season alone

and i've counted a total of 15.

[torpid ocean]

did you count the nameless mosasaur that tried getting the zalmoxes?

[spiral shell]

it's not a dinosaur.

[torpid ocean]

I know

but are you sure “16 new dinosaurs” SPECIFICALLY refers to 16 new DINOSAURS?

cause people sometimes lump them with pterosaurs and mosasaurs as a generalization

let’s see Sam, what are the 15 new dinosaurs?

[spiral shell]

he said there was about 15 or 16 new dinosaurs.

but i'll still set you straight with what i've got.

[spiral shell]

Alamosaurus, Austroraptor, Imperobator, Isisaurus, Kuru, Majungasaurus, Morrosaurus, Pachycephalosaurus, Pectinodon, Prenocephale, Pyroraptor, Rajasaurus, Rapetosaurus, Tethyshadros, and the other Troodontid.

[torpid ocean]

I don’t think there were two troodontids

it makes no sense, especially with how close to being the exact same they are

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/yawning-britney-spears-bored-yawn-tired-gif-20077022

[lofty thistle]

Pretty sure both look identical

[torpid ocean]

except that the one with young has stripes, which is most likely sexual dimorphism

[spiral shell]

the Pectinodon is more light brown.

[torpid ocean]

homie

[lofty thistle]

Individual variety

[torpid ocean]

they’re identical

like not copy pasted

[lofty thistle]

Not like velo and kuru

[torpid ocean]

but similar enough that it’d be dumb if they’re not the same genus

[torpid ocean]

I feel like kuru lacks a new model because it was described in 2021

[torpid ocean]

too recent to have been considered for the show during production

[lofty thistle]

Wow they put some EFFORT to making two very similar dinos look different

But they didn't do that with velo and kuru

[orchid pond]

Probably because it's at night and the colors are impossible to tell outside of screenshots

[torpid ocean]

I have a possible reason as to why kuru got shafted so bad

[lofty thistle]

Imo that's dumb.
They should have just used a different species

[torpid ocean]

like I said, kuru was described in 2021, too damn late to be a part of the show’s production process

[little coral]

you could tell it was the gray velociraptor adult and the babies were yellowish reskins of the velo babies

[peak hollow]

i dont know if you guys are overreacting or if i just dont care about velo/kuru

[lofty thistle]

Probably both

[orchid pond]

I could only tell the model was the dma with the babies being a different color, the adult I definitely could not see the colors of outside of screenshots

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-bit-gif-7386477

[orchid pond]

It really wouldn't have been noticable if that had a different color scheme and wasted time and moey for them to do so

[torpid ocean]

it’s likely Naish wanted to throw the skeleton crew a bone (no pun intended) and opted to have Attenborough say kuru in an otherwise velociraptor-centered scene, with the rationale that it’s dark as shit and kuru would’ve probably look physiologically identical to velociraptor

[peak hollow]

and velociraptor already had a lot of scenes

[torpid ocean]

with each scene displaying different behavior

[little coral]

it also didn't help that the segment was right after the velociraptor one

[torpid ocean]

yeah

and the holy A word, anachronistic

[spiral shell]

yeah that's troubling.

[torpid ocean]

I do love the velociraptor model

[strong geyser]

@torpid ocean Well my comment from yesterday didn't age well

[torpid ocean]

oh

oh no

GABRIEL

what happened?!

[autumn flint]

I commented on the Globidens pattern being hard to see due to, well, being underwater, let's see if he is allowed to tell more

[torpid ocean]

globidens was cool

[orchid pond]

Same, all of their Dromeosaur designs are amazing imo

[torpid ocean]

I LOVE the different niches for the mosasaurs

mosasaurus being a diurnal ambush predator, moving at blinding speeds

globidens having specialized teeth for shell-crushing action

[lofty thistle]

That's a funny name

Globidens

[torpid ocean]

phosphorosaurus being nocturnal and centered on schools of fish

[autumn flint]

Globidens, balloon teeth

Crunching things

Phosphorosaurus pulling an Ophthalmosaurus

[torpid ocean]

massive eye sockets

[autumn flint]

We were only missing a tylosaurine doing macropredation in a different way from Mosasaurus

the one that was after the Zalmoxes could had worked as that

[torpid ocean]

tylosaurus itself could’ve done that

it rammed things deliberately

[spiral shell]

it's crazy that there are 82 species all together.

[torpid ocean]

would’ve made a cool set to have a tylosaurus trying an orca-like approach, ramming the natural raft to try getting the dinosaurs on top

[lofty thistle]

That's not gonna work my dude.
Orcas have a big fat circle ish head which is good for ramming

Tylo is the opposite

[torpid ocean]

“Unlike typical mosasaurs, Tylosaurus did not have teeth up to the end of the snout nor on the bony protuberance that is the rostrum, and scientists believe that this feature was primarily used for combative purposes such as ramming.”

“This is supported with a uniquely broad and somewhat rectangular internarial bar (the extension of the premaxilla on the top of the skull that held together the nasal and upper jaws) that provided high cranial stability and resistance to stress forces.”

[ember blaze]

I love kuru

[strong geyser]

I mean, they kind of already made the ramming Mosasaurus's thing. It would be redundant a bit for them to act like it's a new thing seen in Tylosaurus

[lofty thistle]

Yeah

[strong geyser]

They explained that this dude was already dead by then, since getting charged at by a Mosa is like getting attacked by a predatory freight train

[dim fog]

final episode was great!

biggest surprise for me was Styginetta

[orchid pond]

mhm

[spiral shell]

as i've said, this season didn't really introduce a whole lot of species but it certainly did a good job at showing us more than just dinosaurs

[silent island]

ive met a lot of cool boid

[dim fog]

I think that's what they mainly tried to do

[silent island]

like pachys, preno, tarchia, the globidens mosa, tethyshadros

special shoutout to pachy and the mongol sauropods, they looked awesome

[orchid pond]

Did a thing

[torpid ocean]

Jesus

The idea that the first episode of the first season was the best one of them all is kinda sad

[orchid pond]

I don't see why?

I don't think there's a single episode I wouldn't call good

[ember blaze]

I’d put ice worlds lower

North America was just meh

Didn’t feel like an ending

[torpid ocean]

Also damn is freshwater that low 💀

[torpid ocean]

is this a ranking of the different sequences?

[ember blaze]

Freshwater is bad

Yeah bad

It’s just creature near water

[orchid pond]

I wouldn't call it bad, but it is definitely my least favorite. It has quite a few nothing segments and doesn't really tie itself into its freshwater theme

[dim fog]

someone told me a pretty good reason why they hated it

[ember blaze]

Like

[ember blaze]

Props for having a stock tyrannosaur rawr

[torpid ocean]

Coasts #1 episode and alcione hatchlings #1 sequence? PP peaked early for you then

[orchid pond]

But it has the Velociraptor, Quetz, and Deinocheirus segments and that's more than enough to keep me from disliking it

[ember blaze]

Alicone

Is amazing

The soundtrack is great

[torpid ocean]

Alcione are so cute

[orchid pond]

Yes it did

[ember blaze]

Different Pterasaurs nesting

[orchid pond]

Only thing I liked more was the Freshwater Velociraptor segment

[ember blaze]

Hey that’s the pk server

[torpid ocean]

I'm glad islands gave us a proper view of the adult alcione

[ember blaze]

I was just there

[dim fog]

I like the blue heads the adults have

[torpid ocean]

it was very nice, yeah

[ember blaze]

I’d say it’s ok

The soundtrack goes hard

[torpid ocean]

also interesting that the sequence that you like the least is the rex v quetz

[orchid pond]

It's okay to be wrong

[ember blaze]

What’s the best soundtrack

[dim fog]

that one I actually enjoyed a lot

[ember blaze]

Was painful

7/10

[dim fog]

T rex standing there and snarling and doing all he can to scare the Quetz away and he's like "But for me, it was Tuesday" was funny

[orchid pond]

Eh I just don't find the situation believable and I'd have prefered it focusing on the old Alamasaurus, but I never wanna talk abotu that segment again after all of the conversations I've seen in every server I'm in that cares about the show

[ember blaze]

I wish we saw it be more then just pic

[orchid pond]

And that helps me dislike it more

[ember blaze]

Like it’s just

Pterasaur bites

Rex leaves

[torpid ocean]

alamosaurus literally existing just to die

[ember blaze]

I think Badlands is up there

I like the

It’s very well rounded

[orchid pond]

I think a segment focusing on its struggle with old age and ending on it peacefully dying would've been nice

[ember blaze]

Which is my issue about deserts

Deserts is just

HERE HAVE COOL HADROSAUR

[orchid pond]

Oh yeah Badlands is nice, Velociraptor scene is okay but I do adore the Corythoraptor and Indian segments

[ember blaze]

Agree

It’s what I wanted from deserts

[orchid pond]

It had as many hadrosaur segments as Badlands did for Isisaurus alone though

Which by that I mean just 2

[ember blaze]

Yes but I just really hate the hadrosaur migration

Feels week

[orchid pond]

That's sad

[ember blaze]

Great hadrosaur just

[orchid pond]

I thought it wasn't the best segment to end on but it was still a good sequence

[ember blaze]

You don’t feel invested

Great segment

Make it longer

[dim fog]

that's a great way to put it

[ember blaze]

This is most of issues with scenes

Like

Make it longer

I want an episode with the life of the Kuru

Show me Isisaurus growing up

Show me how the Rex losses it tail

Big madogascar episode

Life of ammonites

[torpid ocean]

yeah I think there's some times where it'd be more interesting to see something else

I'd love to know how the majungasaurus went blind in one eye

And if she was born like that, I'd love to see how she survived all this time

[little coral]

it's clawed

[strong geyser]

I don't think the episodes are made to be chronological

[torpid ocean]

c-clawed?

By what?

[strong geyser]

It's more like you could watch any one in any order

[torpid ocean]

Yeah but like

S1 had the hatz fly off into the sunset

[strong geyser]

Wow, what an ending to a series

[torpid ocean]

"Now his wings will carry him to yet another forest where life proliferates more variously and more abundantly than anywhere else... on our... prehistoric planet."

[little coral]

probably during a time she did this and messed with the wrong simo

[strong geyser]

Yeah it could be from anything, use your imagination

Maybe she ate a juvenile Majung before it it clawed out her eye in the struggle

[orchid pond]

While this is mostly true, the ending of Forests with Hatz definitely felt like an ending to the season imo

[strong geyser]

I remember literally talking about how it didn't feel like that much of an ending to the series back then

especially since we didn't know/think there was gonna be a season 2

[torpid ocean]

You're in the minority I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9xv6BUpQUs

First of all, this is beautiful

But lemme highlight some comments

"Finally, a dino documentary not ending with the mass extinction, even using the expression "life flourishing abundantly" in the closing lines."

[strong geyser]

Yeah it's beautiful, but when you think about an ending to a series that covers so many species and so many different environments, I'm thinking more along the lines of a collage of the animals, not just the ending for one

because all the episodes end like that pm

[torpid ocean]

To me it's more like, hatzegopteryx flies off into the sunset, his life will continue as will the rest of the world

It doesn't end with the K-T impact

[strong geyser]

Not saying it has to

just that it feels small scale for a series that is so vast in what it covers

[torpid ocean]

perhaps

I do think it's mildly bittersweet that PP2 had more to critique than PP1

[strong geyser]

This also falls flat because there was a second season coming out very soon after the first

And they play pm neck and neck with each other

[torpid ocean]

it's usually not a good sign of a good long-term plan if success cannot be replicated much

I do hope that whatever mistakes happened during S2's production aren't repeated

[strong geyser]

What mistakes

[torpid ocean]

well "mistakes" may be a strong word

But like, the episodes are shorter for example, more rushed as we've been discussing here

some bits of CGI aren't as convincing as in S1 with some even potentially rough animation like the hatz landing with the tethyshadros

[strong geyser]

I have minor issues with some of the animation this season

I still think they should work on the movements being more bird-like

locomotion wise they did so excellently but more like in the eyes and head movements

[torpid ocean]

the head movements were off for me too

styginetta looked very "animated"

[strong geyser]

Weird thing to say, but there's too much purpose and attention in how they move, a lot of birds kind of have more of a dead unfocused gaze most of the time. Like they look at something and you can't even tell

[little coral]

hatzegopteryx hunt was the lowest point

it looked real bad

but this last episode looked really good, probably the best

[strong geyser]

I agree it was the weakest animated segment

[little coral]

especially the shore segments with the rex and pectinodon

[torpid ocean]

it also happens to be the episode with the largest number of popular species

[strong geyser]

My favorite was actually the Nanuq chase in NA

[torpid ocean]

it's likely this episode received plenty of animation attention

[near sage]

My favorite was the rex hunt in Swamps

[strong geyser]

With the far away shots I could actually imagine that I was looking at a gracile Tyrannosaurid chasing prey

[torpid ocean]

and thus, it's a good way to show that they still CAN animate as amazingly as ever

it's just that I feel that they suffered from the damn c word

crunch

[strong geyser]

I wish the T. rex hunt wasn't shot so close up in some parts, I wanted to see the full rex model in that fast jog

[torpid ocean]

I thought that the edmontosaurus was gonna win

[strong geyser]

It also simultaneously makes it feel kind of small in size

Like every animal in that sequence is bigger than an African Elephant but you wouldn't be able to tell really

[little coral]

they have that problem a lot

[strong geyser]

https://youtu.be/B8vyD7QyEwo

https://youtu.be/8b6-rjYp2_g

(Just using these as an example, not to say the show should look just like this)
It's like how these clips demonstrate the scale of the animals

[little coral]

trikes always look like they're cow, or rhino sized at best

[strong geyser]

https://youtu.be/Ddfz0WHDjhY?t=38

WWD also did this well

[torpid ocean]

Anatotitan good lord

[spiral shell]

are these supposed to represent the Mongol Giant?

[strong geyser]

Idk if it's maybe the cinematographic style of Planet Earth, but they get very few of those perspective shots

[stable shadow]

DUDE THE NEW EPISODE

ITS PEAK

[orchid pond]

Yes

[strong geyser]

It was really good yeah

[orchid pond]

mhm

It's a very good episode, I adored the last three segments especially

[stable shadow]

Lmao this guy is the ultimate troll

People actually fell for it

[strong geyser]

Kind of wish though, that image of Quetz's wing membranes getting disintegrated by the flames goes hard

[orchid pond]

That's from Last Day of the Dinosaurs, I always loved that detail from it

[torpid ocean]

damn

I just had a moment of how terribly PP2 does handle showing the size of the animals

globidens is a mere 5m

something like this

I thought it'd be way bigger than this

granted it makes sense as to why it specializes in shelled prey

[autumn flint]

What size did you think the ammonites were my dude?

[torpid ocean]

Well parapuzosia exists, so I didn't want to assume their size

[autumn flint]

I'd wager we would have heard a "these giant ammonites, the largest of their kin" mention

Also this

Size is hard to judge underwater

You see this and "oh boy"

And then

[torpid ocean]

fair point

I do like how S2 had good diversity in mosasaurs

Phosphorosaurus: I eat small fish and squids with my great eyesight!
Globidens: I eat aquatic prey with shells like ammonites with my rounded teeth!
Mosasaurus: I EAT

[spiral shell]

i was hoping to see the Styginetta joining together in a group like flamingos.

https://tenor.com/view/flamingos-group-observant-gif-3535692

it'd have been cool to see them do something that you wouldn't really see in ducks.

[autumn flint]

Flamingoes are hyperspecialized weirdos, presbyorns are... ducks

[silent island]

anyone have any clear shots of morrosaurus?

[spiral shell]

@silent island will this work?

[silent island]

yea!

[dim fog]

do anyone have clear shots of Styginetta yet?

[twin karma]

1. Swamps
   Swamps was so fun! I absolutely loved every scene from it, with the pachycephalosaurs and the iconic beelzebufo scene, overall I found it not only educational, but also very entertaining
   Favorite scene: Tyrannosaurus hunting edmontosaurus
2. Islands
   When I first came into this list, I was thinking that this was going to be my second to least favorite. But as I reflected on it more, it started to grow on me. With the adorable simosuchus, and the absolutely lovely scenes with hatzegopteryx, it was absolutely majestic
   Favorite scene: Adaletherium parenthood
3. Badlands
   This was actually going to be my least favorite at first, until I started remembering how much fun this episode was. The baby raptors are the absolute best and tarchia was a very interesting ankylosaur, and I loved the return of tarbosaurus
   Favorite scene: isisaurus babies hunted by rajasaurus
4. North America
   Ahh, yes, everyone's favorite biome. Jokes aside if they did do a PhP3 I would absolutely love a continental focus. But, other than that this episode was really solid. It was really hyped up by the quetz and rex fight, which I understand, but there's some sort of Je ne sais quoi to the episode in general. I really liked the triceratops mating scene
   Favorite scene: pectinodon and stigynetta
5. Oceans
   Who would have thought that ammonites out of everything would be so interesting to me? I loved loved loved seeing the difference in the shells, and I don't know why but that arctic elasmosaur was so cute. I didn't dislike this episode, it's just that there's only so many times you can show a mosasaur and expect people to still be amazed about it. However I absolutely loved seeing baby pyroraptors, it was a pleasant surprise!
   Favorite scene: hesperonis and xiphactinus

[spiral shell]

i've got the flock.

[twin karma]

Love them they looked so real

I think php 3 is possible

[lofty thistle]

Oh Jesus Christ

Panda essay is gonna appear in my nightmares

[twin karma]

Raaaaaaaagh

[spiral shell]

found it on twitter.

[dim fog]

YES! that's perfect!

[brittle apex]

I think it's flipped in the show

[twin karma]

Erior

Did you

Did you out of all people

Just use prehistoric wildlife

[autumn flint]

IKR

It was for fish

[strong geyser]

I cannot put into words how much I loathe Apple TV as a streaming service

I can have 4k display on my tv but not on my literal PC

[twin karma]

That and like

[strong geyser]

Where is the sense

[twin karma]

There's only like

Two good things on there that are free

[autumn flint]

Oh yeah, Apple TV comes with the usual Apple BS

Can't be used with our Chromecast

[twin karma]

Like there's Ted Lasso which I haven't watched and don't know if it's good

There's Tetris which like

Is weird

And then there's Prehistoric Planet which is very enjoyable 8/10

Then there's like

The movie I liked

With Daddy

I mean Ryan Reynolds

And Will Ferrell

[autumn flint]

Foundation IIRC is quite good

[orchid pond]

I've watched Wolf Walkers and The Year Earth Changed (a documentary on how wildlife was affected by the Covid pandemic) and greatly enjoyed both, I've got a bunch of documentaries on my watch list as well so I'll see how I like those (Found out I had a three month free trial thanks to my family's Roku and have been coasting off that for Prehistoric Planet this year)

[spiral shell]

now that Prehistoric Planet and Prehistoric Planet 2 are out, i want to see a tribute video with clips from both seasons playing with the main theme of the first season playing over it.

[quasi harbor]

7.8/10 too many dinosaurs

[spiral shell]

i know what would have made Maip unique.

[spiral shell]

if it had a coloration like this.

[peak hollow]

that would look nice i think

[spiral shell]

very clever to modify the Telmatosaurus model to make Tethyshadros.

[ember blaze]

There’s wolf walkers

Very fun animated take on Scottish myth

https://tenor.com/view/wolfwalkers-gif-21727731

[tacit isle]

I love that film!

[upbeat yacht]

why didn't the final episode not end with David saying "in this prehistoric planet"???

[tacit isle]

I'm actually glad there was no extinction event or "doom and gloom" scene.

I also think it would take away from the majestic nature of these animals and the world they live in.

[peak hollow]

because north maerica wooooo 🦅 🔫 🏈 (insert american flag)

[tacit isle]

I also kinda don't want a third season to be late Cretaceous again.

[peak hollow]

i mean... it DID take away the majestic nature of the animals and the world they lived in, objectively

[tacit isle]

Specifically very late Cretaceous.

[tacit isle]

True but idk man.

I just really don't wanna see it.

One of the things that I really like about this show is that it doesn't have those doom and gloom moments.

[peak hollow]

i dont think we've ever seen it properly shown, id like to at least once, though itd likely be very brutal and most folk wouldnt want to

[tacit isle]

I think back to WWD where the last episode is just "yeah dinos were just dying left and right and everything sucked".

If we do get an extinction episode, I don't want it to be like that.

But before we do that, I want them to go backwards.

North America episode sets up the possiblity that a third season would focus on continents.

What a perfect time to do some Spinosaurs and Carchars.

[dim fog]

assuming we do get other time periods other than the Maastrichtian

[tacit isle]

Yea

[dim fog]

I'd love to see a Php presentation of the Morrison

[twin karma]

If we don't however

I would like PhP 3 to have a focus on continents

Because we already have one we need 6 more

But like nothing really lived in Antarctica that's worth a whole episode so really only 5 more

Although by that logic not much lived in the Australian at the time either

[torpid ocean]

in uni class and this pops up 😍

[spiral shell]

how do i take HD pictures?

@gentle slate how do you do it?

[strong geyser]

https://twitter.com/JoannaKobierska/status/1662462359250583554?s=20

Joanna Kobierska (@JoannaKobierska)

To add to current Prehistoric Planet discourse:
Those are chick of various species of galliformes from 4 continents and some of them had common ancestor 30 millions years ago.

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Twitter · May 27, 2023, 2:14 PM

[dim fog]

Oh look, it's Joanna! One of my fave paleoartists

[ember blaze]

Also what would we use as a reference

[gentle slate]

🏴‍☠️

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https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

oh god.

[gentle slate]

Didn't even watch S2 yet due personal incidents, but will look into HD snaps eventually

[spiral shell]

oh shit, well take your time.

[spiral shell]

i find it sad that we didn't get to see a whole gathering of Beelzebufo.

[strong geyser]

The side of paleo twitter I'm on is having a civil war about the Tyrannosaurus-Quetz sequence apparently

[orchid pond]

Every Discord I am in that cares about the show has had one

It's insufferable

I hate the segment more because of that than instead of the actual outcome of the fight

[strong geyser]

Who would've thought the next generation of Spino Vs Rex carnivora discourse would be Rex vs Quetz

[orchid pond]

lmao

I hate that you're right

[torpid ocean]

to be honest the sequence itself is cool

[strong geyser]

As per usual though, a lot of people are taking home the wrong parts of that, and have dumbed it down to Rex fanboyism or whatever

I hate that the term fanboy is applicable to discourse surrounding prehistoric animals

[torpid ocean]

but I think the quetz couldn’t have moved like that in the air

[torpid ocean]

I feel like there’s people who scientifically disagree with the fight, but they can’t really be taken seriously because rex fanboys do exist apparently

and since they’re technically on the same side, people lump them with fanboys to get them to shut up

[spiral shell]

for me the outcome of the fight was logical at most.

[strong geyser]

I liked the sequence too, but it's not how I would've done it personally

I think the behavior of both Rex and Quetz were off

The rex was chasing off the little troodontids who couldn't even pierce through the skin of the corpse. That's dumb, that would be like a Grizzly scaring away seagulls from a whale carcass

I made this example earlier, but I think it's valid as well.

People love to cite animals like honey badgers fighting off lions and stuff, but these are usually animals are are backed into a corner and have literally no other choice but to fight back and be aggressive

These are two scavengers who decided for no reason to pick a fight with a hyper predator more than five times their own size, with a set of jaws that could kill them with one bite

It seemed like action for the sake of action, and yeah, I don't see Quetz being as agile as a crow or a mockingbird in the air

https://youtu.be/o-FPWIK56nA

I would remove the Quetz action and have it be between a couple of Tyrannosaurs instead

You could even have speculative mobbing of Tyrannosaurus on display

[orchid pond]

Yeah that'd probably work better

[orchid pond]

I'm still in the camp of "Just have the segment focus on the dying Alamasaurus" but two Tyrannosaurus fighting over the carcass would've been better

[strong geyser]

https://twitter.com/boring_shot/status/1662596094876950532?s=20

boring shot (@boring_shot)

I have trouble understanding the size of animals when viewing #PrehistoricPlanet
And I decided to photoshop people into the frames of this documentary.
It's not perfect, but now it's clearer how big or small these animals were.
#PrehistoricPlanet2

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Twitter · May 27, 2023, 11:06 PM

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I honestly feel like the most realistic outcome would've been the tyrannosaurus, the two quetzalcoatlus, and the trio of pectinodon ALL eating from the carcass in relative peace

There's so much meat in there that all could eat their fill and then some

in all honesty if the rex has the aggression to provoke a fight over such a massive carcass then logic dictates it'd also have the stubbornness to not give it up

[strong geyser]

People say it's risk-reward, the T. rex doesn't want to get hurt so it left. Trust me, the power scale is beyond into the rex's favor it's not even funny. The Quetz are insane for trying to pull that off.

[spiral shell]

yeah they are like Flying Hyena's.

[strong geyser]

And yeah, I would also just have all three species there eating in peace. Honestly, it would actually make more sense for the Quetz to **let **the T. rex eat as it can break away hard to access parts of he corpse as well as expose bone marrow and other nutrients otherwise inaccessible by their beaks. That would have been a little fun info tid bit.

[spiral shell]

you'd think they'd be like how the Mongol Giants were flying over head waiting for the Tarbosaurs to leave so they can feed on the sauropod carcass but the Quetzal's were the opposite here.

[torpid ocean]

OMG my thoughts exactly

though then again

there were like four tarbos

[torpid ocean]

The reward is immense

A titanosaur carcass, more food than he could've hunted in three days most likely

A titanosaur carcass was apparently enough to feed four tarbosaurs after all

[strong geyser]

Yeah but Quetz beak is owie 🥺

Mind you this is an animal that hunts Triceratops

[torpid ocean]

Honestly the problem isn't that quetz beak is owie

It's that the quetz does some unnatural ass movement to net an advantage

didn't swamps have an entire segment showing the dangers of flying too low?

[strong geyser]

Different context but yeah, I don't see Quetz being as agile as a mockingbird to harass and skirmish like that. It takes effort just for it to take off, nvm doing it repeatedly while playing a game of chicken with an animal that can end them.

[torpid ocean]

the only way I could've understood the rex truly backing down is if the quetz stood their ground (no mockingbird flying) and managed to land a few dangerously close eye-pecks

The rex then recognizes "holy shit this could actually cost me an eye" and decides to back down

but a few pecks on its back? Oh come on, they risk worse injuries fighting edmontosaurs and triceratops on the daily

[strong geyser]

.

[orchid pond]

I wouldn't really call the Quetz' flight similar to a mocking bird, it's slow and not really agile, just flying low enough to peck the rex and then ascending again

[strong geyser]

Not really in locomotion but more like in action

https://youtube.com/shorts/4akkz46t_Vg?feature=share

[torpid ocean]

Quetz takes a MASSIVE risk

[molten blade]

The isisasaurus and alamosaurus were probably my favorite creatures in this season

[strong geyser]

These three took it for me. These will be what I mentally envision each time I think of the animal

[orchid pond]

Ye they're some of the best in the season

Simosuchus, Pectinodon, and Majungasaurus are probably my favorites this season

[upbeat yacht]

Rajasaurus ftw

[orchid pond]

Also a noteworthy runner up of Hesperornis becasue aside from the fact I love what they did with it Hesperornis in general brings me immense joy

[orchid pond]

Something I've been thinking for a little while, does anyone else think the baby raptors just don't look that good?
imo at least the head is too big and the mouth just looks weird, coloration of the Velociraptor chicks didn't help with this either as it looks unappealing (the color was fixed by the Pyroraptors for me though)

[orchid pond]

I have been told that Mei Long and Deinonychus embryos do show cartoon proportions, I'm not going to act like this makes me like them more, but it is something ig
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Mei_Long.jpg

[orchid pond]

Okay I've figured out part of the problem, the head is taller but it's still as thin as the adult's are when compared to its body

[ember blaze]

It’s more we don’t have baby velociraptors

[spiral shell]

i mean the same could be said about the Tuarangisaurus calves.

[little coral]

This is great

[peak hollow]

yeah, it felt a little weird that the rex left because the pecks were annoying when like one bite of his wouldve took down a quetz, i suppose he just wasnt especially hungry haha

[orchid pond]

I meant that's why it looks so weird, the head is too thin since it should get wider as it gets taller

[orchid pond]

I do not see a problem with them

[silent island]

quetz just flying in a circle around rex was extremely weird and out of place imo

[slate moon]

Does anybody know what the point of downloading episodes of prehistoric planet is for?

[spiral shell]

it's head doesn't look similar.

[orchid pond]

?

[orchid pond]

Like on the AppleTV app or 🏴‍☠️?

[slate moon]

Like on apple tv

[spiral shell]

it looks more like a kind of fish.

[slate moon]

Not pirating

Like it has that download button and idk why I would need it

[orchid pond]

The only problem I really see with it is the eye being took far forward, otherwise it looks like what I'd expect a baby plesiosaur to look like

[orchid pond]

In case you want to watch the episode without internet

[slate moon]

Ohhhh

But in the WWD server there was an event where we watched the first season and everyone watching the stream could see it playing, but when I tried it once the screen was just darker for other people

[orchid pond]

That had to do with what browser you were using (assuming the other people weren't pirating it)

[slate moon]

I don’t use a PC to watch Prehistoric Planet tho

Either my tv or my ipad/phone

[orchid pond]

On Chrome, Microsoft Edge, or the service's app, streaming services will show up as just a dark screen to prevent pirating via streaming or recording it

[spiral shell]

well i don't really have any issues on what it looks like, so i don't think we should have a problem with what the baby raptors look like.

[orchid pond]

Okay ig, it doesn't suffer from the other problems I have with the raptor so idk what this comparison was meant for

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https://tenor.com/view/yeah-me-neither-peter-rothmann-rasmussen-dupreeh-astralis-same-here-gif-21873488

[orchid pond]

And that's why you can't, because you're using the service's app and not a browser that allows this sort of thing like Firefox

[slate moon]

Ohh

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https://twitter.com/AttemptingLogic/status/1662871559999225856?s=20

Palaeoncryptozoologist Briton (@AttemptingLogic)

'Every predator does things to minimise the risk of injury and death to itself.' -- Dr. Darren Naish
#PrehistoricPlanet2 #PrehistoricPlanet
https://t.co/SquQAi2VlT

Twitter · May 28, 2023, 5:20 PM

briton's got a point.

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I mean, that point was never in question. They literally state that word for word almost in the episode.

[dim fog]

yeah, as I'm sure that a Tyrannosaurus with only one functional eye would fare much, much worse in the wild, as we saw with the Majunga

[lofty thistle]

Me when tigers and leopards are killing each other in the wild

[spiral shell]

yeah.

[torpid ocean]

Indeed!

That certainly applies to the tyrannosaur

but the risk was greater for the two quetz than for the rex

[ember blaze]

php tierlist

[dim fog]

not often you see ice worlds ranked dead last

[ember blaze]

its cursed

[dim fog]

how so? because of the ornithomimus hairdo?

[ember blaze]

No I just can’t watch it without something going wrong

Literally got sick as I watched it

[quasi harbor]

It’s bussin no cap fr fr

[dim fog]

I don't mind the hairdo though

[quasi harbor]

I don’t either I just think of that whenever I see him. When I saw the screencap I thought it was really good photoshop at first

[spiral shell]

so every time you watch that episode you automatically don't feel well?

[spiral shell]

for a third season that would take place in the Maastrichtian i'd want to see Alphadon, Talenkauen, Maip, Thescelosaurus, Saurolophus, Charonosaurus, Saltasaurus, Ampelosaurus, Magyarosaurus, Torosaurus, Zhuchengceratops, Tylosaurus, Didelphodon, Dolichorhynchops, Sanajeh, Adocus, Champsosaurus, and Ankylosaurus.

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There's one comment i saw that I think explains why a lot of people are having this issue: "If it was any other dinosaur other than Rex, it wouldn't have attracted so much criticism".

I think there's still a lot of people, including Paleo-nerds, that still hold Rex in such high nostalgic regard that it doesn't matter if it's PhP or JW, a Rex cannot ever lose.

Meanwhile, I find that a lot of these comment seem to forget that the Rex was standing it's ground until a second Quetzal arrived, then it continued until they took to the air.

The Quetzal clearly understand the danger of the Rex and use swooping hit and run attacks to pester the Rex away.

You get the formidable Rex holding it's ground and using intimidation to ward off direct attacks for the Quetzals using their own abilities to pester it away.

The narrator even says that the Rex will be back.

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You know what I found bullshit about that though

In the first episode, it said azhdarchids wouldn't have been able to use complex flight patterns to do an aerial

While this isn't the most complex, as they are pecking at a non moving or slightly non moving large target, they still did have to do swoops and turns, which would have taken a lot of energy

[tacit isle]

Hm

[twin karma]

Anyways

I really don't want to get too far in on why I don't like Christianity

Look at these posters

I have a feeling this is actually going to be dumb fun

But not in the way where the movie is bad

But these posters tell you everything you'll need to know about these characters

Leo's obviously a bit scruffy but very hard working

Raph obviously thinks he's tougher and more mature than everyone else

Donnie's probably more of a shy recluse but he's also very good at technology

And Michaelangelo is obviously just here to bring some silly goofy energy

Thos

This

Is the wrong chat

[tacit isle]

I love how Paramount believes that the only way to convince people that a character is smart is by giving them big dorky glasses.

looking at you Transformers

And yes it's the wrong chat.

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Wdym Wheel Jack's design is magnificent

It's better than Albert Einstein over here

[tacit isle]

No it's really not. I've made my peace with it at this point, and yes it's miles better than Que, but the issue is that it's Wheeljack.

Name him anything else and it works better.

Also according to the director, they only named him Wheeljack because they wanted a comic relief nerd character and couldn't think of anyone else.

[twin karma]

You know what I find weirdest?

[tacit isle]

Because obviously the wisecracking Brooklyn accented mechanic and engineer needs to be the heavily Spanish accented Steve Urkel Bot.

[twin karma]

They actually had an accurate design in Bumblebee

I'm confused why they didn't use it in this movie

[tacit isle]

The director basically said, and I'm paraphrasing ofc, "Yeah I know that exists, but we wanted something different".

Which to me just says "yeah we don't care".

The leaks say ||he's really only there for comic relief. He doesn't do much in the film.||

But according to the director, he was the first character designed for the film and is legit a name slap.

[twin karma]

They used Prime's, and hell even Arcee's, while more saturated still pretty accurate

[strong geyser]

Hey hey hey forum topic

[twin karma]

Yep

Sorry

I got lost in the first place

[spiral shell]

there is a transformers chat in hobbies.

[tacit isle]

[twin karma]

I mean it didn't start off that way

But yeah sure

[molten vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/mono-prehistoric-planet-mononykus-gif-26719056

friend

[tacit isle]

A good fren

[twin karma]

If you can't hug it why make it friend shaped

Like these

I want them

In my home

Right now

[tacit isle]

They are the lads

[strong geyser]

Nah, even if it was another giant theropod I'd have the same criticisms. This isn't really behavior seen in real world comparisons, birds like storks and vultures are real patient when a larger carnivore occupies a carcass. Even if it's just one Hyena, these birds will not mess with it, because there's no need. In fact, animals like Hyenas actually help the vultures as they butcher carcasses and make them easier for them to eat. And since they established in the same episode that the hide of the animal is extraordinarily thick, they could've had a real world parallel.

Instead the situation was kind of just manipulated in a way where they would fight

The Majung-Simosuchus scene for example makes sense as that display was the animal's last attempt to avoid being eaten, and it bought time for it to escape.

But Quetz actively decides to engage in a fight with an animal that could pick up it's entire body effortlessly and shake it like a rag.

I also think it's a little silly that the rex was that protective over such a massive corpse. Like I'm sure it wouldn't mind the presence of tiny Troodon

[dim fog]

yeah, the troodontids would be little more than mice for it

[silent island]

i have a problem with quetz's circling

it looks so underwhelming, like youd expect an epic fight between two flying giraffes and the largest predator on earth but nope, the quetz just pulls the isle pteranodon technique

[autumn flint]

Tyrannosaurus going "fuck it" when 2 giraffe storks start annoying it mid-lunch is something nobody should have an issue

But I guess most people have never tried to have lunch near seagulls

[torpid ocean]

that's an unfair comparison tbh

humans are notorious wusses who cower in fear at an animal as long as their thumbs because it's an "icky insect"

[strong geyser]

Ikr, I'd beat the shit out of a seagull

[dim fog]

when I was at an animal park last summer, I saw like a 10 year old boy eating a sausage, and some part of it dropped to the ground and less than 2 seconds later, a couple seagulls swooped down and try to eat the dropped piece. The little boy was crying

[torpid ocean]

seagulls are annoying sure but if you have balls you can flail your arms around and intimidate it right back