Prehistoric Planet

[torpid ocean]

hollup

we brothers then?

[lofty thistle]

Always

[torpid ocean]

nice

[covert shell]

Pigs, usually reach 0.9 to 1.8 M in length but can weigh anywhere from 50 to 350KG’s and can get even bigger than that

The mass of the pig is much greater than its height/length

[lofty thistle]

Which is why animals like giraffes are smaller than elephants and rhinos because they're lighter

A giraffe isn't even in the top 3 biggest land animals

A 350kg pig would be bigger than a tiger

Because tigers are sticks in comparison

[covert shell]

Aye however tbbh using the word “size” just makes the situation more confusing than simply saying “height,weight & length”

Aye and tigers are killed by pigs semi commonly too

[covert shell]

Well bigger in terms of weight not height or length

[lofty thistle]

Or you know just use weight which is what zoologist use to determine an animals size.
Weight is the reason why anacondas are the biggest snake, gorillas are the biggest apes etc etc

[lofty thistle]

Which is why people say a tiger is taller and longer NOT bigger

[covert shell]

But it makes the situation confusing if you use “bigger” as it means all 3 things and is used as such

[lofty thistle]

To your average human who has a brain it doesn't make it confusing

A gorilla is the BIGGEST ape even do humans are taller than it

[covert shell]

Ok what if i say “polar bears are bigger than Kodak bears” do you think i’m talking about weight or height/length

[strong geyser]

Weight = size

It’s easy

[lofty thistle]

Weight

[covert shell]

Nope

Height

[strong geyser]

That doesn’t make sense

[lofty thistle]

A Kodiak bear is literally taller then a polar bear lmao

[covert shell]

Kodak males can get 650 KG’s in weight while polar bear males can get 450 KG’s

See what i mean lol

[lofty thistle]

Kodiak bear is 630kg while polar bears are LITERALLY 700kg

[covert shell]

Google gave me a different answer

[lofty thistle]

The biggest polar bear is much bigger than the biggest Kodiak bear

[lofty thistle]

Hmm yes google because it's 100% reliable

[strong geyser]

Hey folks, this argument has gone on long enough. Might be time to redirect

Also wtf is a Kuru Kulla

I swear they made that one up, never heard of that shit in my entire life

[lofty thistle]

Php moment

I hate how they used velo model

[strong geyser]

I at least thought they’d give it different colors or something. Like dingo colors

[torpid ocean]

it was surprisingly lazily done

rare Prehistoric Planet L

[autumn flint]

I mean, people mix up wolves and coyotes all the time

Those are also things

Or

https://twitter.com/Riamus01/status/1660981601633972224 From here

RIAMUS - Commissions Open! (@Riamus01)

@AttemptingLogic @TetZoo @JGN_Paleo What they do here is something really smart that paleoart and paleodocus should do more often. Some species, whether closely related or from different lineages just look very similar to the point that you can mistake them as the same species.

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 12:10 PM

[torpid ocean]

doesn't exactly help that kuru was in darkness

even these similar species have subtleties, like the African fish eagle having a black beak tip

that and the white goes further into the chest

if you're observant, there are clear differences in an otherwise similar coloration

Kuru either lacks subtleties altogether or they were obscured by the darkness it was exclusively portrayed in

🤷

[autumn flint]

Well, I keep telling you, go into twitter, where the lead scientific advisor is a highly active and approachable person, and give him a piece of your toughts 😅

[torpid ocean]

I'd rather not

I'll just wait until he comments, cause clearly others are talking about this very thing

[ember blaze]

he commented

as did the scientist who named Kuru

[autumn flint]

Why not?

[torpid ocean]

I dunno, I'm more of a bystander

I don't want to contribute to a possible barrage of questions

https://twitter.com/TetZoo/status/1660948129619820547

Darren Naish (@TetZoo)

@AttemptingLogic @JGN_Paleo This relates to a larger issue that's been discussed in the past. The skeletal features we use to distinguish fossils just wouldn't be visible in the living animals, so we'd have to rely on things like plumage differences to differentiate them.

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 9:57 AM

I... don't see plumage differences

Then again it's dark as shit

[ember blaze]

btw

the soundtrack is on youtube

most of the ocean animals have names

IM VERY EXICTED

[torpid ocean]

m o s t ?

[autumn flint]

Not the impression you give here lol

https://twitter.com/TetZoo/status/1661016259243438082

Darren Naish (@TetZoo)

@JGN_Paleo @knight_Steve_ Thank you James. I would like people to remember that animals didn't just live in the one or two locations where their fossils have been found AND always belong to species/lineages that had ranges of at least a few million years.

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 2:28 PM

https://twitter.com/JGN_Paleo/status/1661015724951994372

Dr. James G. Napoli (@JGN_Paleo)

@knight_Steve_ @TetZoo They are known from different geological formations, but they aren't separated that far from each other (one in Mongolia, the other in China). They probably lived at different times but I have no qualms with "averaging out" the latest Cretaceous for the show.

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 2:26 PM

[torpid ocean]

"averaging out"?

[little coral]

It's funny to see people doing backflips to justify a poor budgetary choice

[torpid ocean]

it is

Don't get me wrong I love PHP but this feels like those white-knight moments where they fight tooth and nail to define something that they believe can do no wrong

The simplest answer is usually the real one

"uhh uhh, no it's a case where they make related species look identical!! We haven't seen kuru in good light I'm sure the plumage is different!"

homie no they just didn't have budget to make kuru so they put it in a dark scene and filmed

[near sage]

And I see no issue with that personally

[torpid ocean]

I mean yeah there is no real issue cause there's little they could've done

[autumn flint]

I find funny how teen nerds in a random discord server go around as if having the moral high ground

[torpid ocean]

money doesn't grow on trees

[torpid ocean]

do shut up with the "teen nerds"

[autumn flint]

But refuse to engage, just try to echo chamber

Most of the time it is

Then they get a job in paleo and are ashamed of their teen years being hypercritical about details and overcompensate

Then time pases and mellow out

When it wasn't discord it was forums, or paleotwitter

https://twitter.com/JGN_Paleo/status/1661016882298908673 As well

Dr. James G. Napoli (@JGN_Paleo)

@TetZoo @knight_Steve_ Absolutely. And if PP restricted itself to only dinosaurs known confidently to have coexisted at the same time and place, it would be able to show only a small range of dinosaur species.

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 2:30 PM

[torpid ocean]

small?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Maastrichtian_genus_extinctions

this list is somewhat outdated (and has parasaurolophus for some reason - most likely due to wacky charonosaurus shenanigans)

but there's a LOT here, definitely enough for a season of PHP

I'm not saying they should make it all be dated EXACTLY to 66 MYA

but to say it's a "small range" is just wrong

[autumn flint]

Same time and place

[torpid ocean]

oh

[autumn flint]

Because inference and being able to reconstruct an ecosystem is for the best

[little coral]

Get your head out of your ass

[torpid ocean]

I still wonder what was the Gobi desert like exactly 66 MYA

[autumn flint]

We don't know because it was eroded away

We can't know

Like most stuff

[little coral]

You're the one acting all high and mighty

[autumn flint]

We can reconstruct it based on what we know from the area 3-4 million years before, and a nearby area at that time

[torpid ocean]

alright then, so it's viable speculation to just assume that Nemegt might've made it to the 66 barrier

[autumn flint]

I have yet to read something coherent from you in this server, do kindly fuck off

[torpid ocean]

I mean no real reason to mess with success

[autumn flint]

Yeah, it is plausible

Tarbosaurs may had changed a bit in look, but

Alioramus is from Nemegt, Quianzhou is coeval with Corythoraptor, and they look like a clear ontogenic series

[little coral]

Ok, Mr.WashedUpArmchairPaleontologist

If namecalling and insulting is all you can do in a conversation

[ember blaze]

please never do that again

[torpid ocean]

that escalated

[autumn flint]

Yeah, not surprised

[lofty thistle]

Fun

[autumn flint]

Oh well, Asia appears to be more stable than North America in the maastrichian, mostly because of no dispersal of a new large predator (and no inner shallow sea receding)

[lofty thistle]

https://youtu.be/4ReKjjoWISc

[ember blaze]

WOOOO

[dim fog]

neat

[strong geyser]

What a flex

[ember blaze]

Yeah no this is very cool though

Like 2 members helped named it

[strong geyser]

But yeah going back to the Kuru thing, it does look a lot like Velociraptor. And I know there's similar cases where related animals look very simliar to one another (Jaguars - Leopards) but they can also look very different on a species level.

Kuru is a different genus all together, and even though they're in the same subfamily, so are these guys

I wouldn't mind it looking so similar to Velociraptor though if it just had a much more drastic color change like from Tarbo to Rex

[torpid ocean]

you could theoretically still say the producers are at fault if kuru actually does have a different model cause the dark ass atmosphere certainly doesn't let you see any differences

Like, you show me a picture of an African fishing eagle and my brain would register bald eagle, but then I'd go like "hol up that looks off"

Kuru appeared before it was named and I was all like "Huh, velociraptor stealing from corythoraptor?"

I didn't really receive any "signal" or anything that made me wonder whether it was a velo or not

Not to say I'm the authority on the subject lol, just telling my own personal experience

[lofty thistle]

They could have given it like a feathered crest or something

Not just copy and paste everything

[torpid ocean]

it's copy pasted as shit, hell even what little I could see looks like an identical grey to what the velociraptor had

Appears very similar to the Velociraptor, with the only obvious differences being behavioural (namely its nocturnal habits and specialized nest-raiding behaviour). Notably, they're both closely-related dromaeosaurs within the Velociraptorinae subfamily.
TV Tropes says this for kuru

[tacit isle]

Hiyo everyone

[torpid ocean]

Wowo, she's here

(pun fully intended)

[tacit isle]

What's the pun?

[lofty thistle]

Lol

[torpid ocean]

uh

femboy

WAIT YOU SAID PIN

NO WAIT PUN

[tacit isle]

I'm not a femboy

[torpid ocean]

your name

[lofty thistle]

lmao

What

[torpid ocean]

no not that

I thought she asked what's the pin

like the pinned message

[lofty thistle]

How do we go from pun to femboy

[tacit isle]

I did. My phone autocorrected.

[torpid ocean]

oof

anyway look at pinned messages to comprehend why I said femboy

[tacit isle]

Oh nice lol

[torpid ocean]

anyway welcome to pp chat

[tacit isle]

Also in regards to Kuru, while it is very much the Velo model, I believe it has a slightly different head shape?

[torpid ocean]

[torpid ocean]

maybe?

like

[tacit isle]

Lemme find a good pic

[torpid ocean]

I remember there was an angle in the trailers were I went "huh has velo's head always been that slim?"

[tacit isle]

Un momento!

[lofty thistle]

That could just be individual variety

[torpid ocean]

true

tbh I don't see why they had to make it kuru

[tacit isle]

It's definitely slimmer

[lofty thistle]

Again

Individual variety

Which doesn't help at all

[torpid ocean]

yeah but beyond that it looks i d e n t i c a l

[tacit isle]

Which I'm fine with for the most part as long as it's different enough.

[lofty thistle]

[torpid ocean]

I fully believe that kuru's model is really just a velo variant they never used so they put it in a cool scene

[tacit isle]

Speaking of which, I loved Mongol Titan in this.

[torpid ocean]

TV Tropes goes like "well the obvious differences are behavioral which includes it being nocturnal and stealing eggs"

and I'm just like

velociraptor is already nocturnal chief

[tacit isle]

I love the pattern on the neck.

[strong geyser]

Looks like perspective

[torpid ocean]

and also literally any dinosaur that can reach them would probably eat eggs

[lofty thistle]

This is literally much better lmao

[torpid ocean]

herbivores who want protein supplements may eat eggs

[strong geyser]

The Mongolian Titan looks so amazing

[torpid ocean]

holy shit, see? I would not think this is a velociraptor

[lofty thistle]

And people bitch about jwe 2 having copied and pasted dinos

[tacit isle]

I also just realized how accurate the Alamo's (JWE) body shape is compared to the titanosaurs in the show.

[lofty thistle]

While people here are going insane to defend php for doing the same thing

[strong geyser]

Yeah, down to the tail curve you can tell they referenced Scott Hartman's skeletal

They just used creative liberties for the rest of it

[torpid ocean]

by the same artist

[tacit isle]

As much as I really want Pataogtitan for the game, this show has convinced me that what I really want is a super accurate Sauropod regardless of size.

I can't wait to see Rapetosaurus tonight.

[lofty thistle]

How much money will you bet if jwe 2 added kuru they will make it look completely different then velo

[strong geyser]

Like it's not a giant deal, Kuru's scenes are all at night, and technically making it similar to it's close relation is probably the "safest" approach to take.

[tacit isle]

They look so neat with the slender necks.

Like the opposite of Issisaurus which is super thick.

[torpid ocean]

let's ignore the color and focus on the subtleties; velociraptor in this has more pronounced thighs in contrast to those sticks on kuru; velo seems to have a slightly longer neck too

[tacit isle]

Ostroderms let's goo.

[near sage]

Similar enough in shape that someone could easily mistake them

[torpid ocean]

it's not a big deal indeed

but I'm still disappointed that kuru was done this dirty

[peak hollow]

i dont mind it, theres probably a lot of birds that if they stood side by side i likely wouldnt notice a difference

[tacit isle]

I'm reminded a bit of what WWD used to do a lot.

[lofty thistle]

Php has went wild with some ideas and yet they can't make kuru look different than velo ?

[near sage]

Slight model edits with different textures?

[torpid ocean]

meanwhile everyone's all like

"omg it's kuru kulla!!! PP2!"

[torpid ocean]

see, that's the thing cyborg, they didn't really do that

[near sage]

That was in response to what WWD did

[torpid ocean]

oh

anyway-

[near sage]

Another message just happened to get sent

[lofty thistle]

We just need a scene with velo at night

[torpid ocean]

tarbosaurus is overtly similar to a rex so much so that most people could easily mistake it, but it still looks distinct enough

[lofty thistle]

And no one would be able to tell which is which after

[torpid ocean]

it's slimmer and has a wildly different pattern

[tacit isle]

I like how Raja looks like what you'd expect and then Majun is a big ol sausage.

Ehehe

[torpid ocean]

meanwhile I would've never figured that kuru was a kuru if Attenborough hadn't specified

[lofty thistle]

Php making raja and majungasaurus completely different

[near sage]

I mistake leopards and jaguars all the time if I'm just shown images

[lofty thistle]

Jaguars and leopards have difference

Patterns

[strong geyser]

I think it is funny though that these two share the same body yet have different colors yet irl these are two way different animals

[tacit isle]

Isn't the polar Allosaur meant to be Austrolovenator?

[strong geyser]

Yeah, they didn't know back then ofc

[torpid ocean]

jaguars have more white in their face I think

[lofty thistle]

Jaguars and leopards at least have some difference

[near sage]

All I know is that it's big yellow orange cats with black or dark brown spot things

[strong geyser]

Jaguars are bulkier and have more "bright" colors

[tacit isle]

They're all cute kitties to me.

[lofty thistle]

While velo and kuru look 100% identical

[torpid ocean]

leopard's spots are more distinctive with more noticeable black surrounding them

[torpid ocean]

yeah they're all friend shaped :)

[lofty thistle]

Average human moment

To the average person all theropods look the same

[strong geyser]

But my thing is, yeah jaguars and leopards are in the same genus

Kuru and Velociraptor are in the same subfamily, but different genera

I don't think they should be 1:1

[lofty thistle]

I don't think there's two species that are 1:1

[near sage]

I'll agree that color should be different

[lofty thistle]

Even mugger, Nile and saltwater crocodiles have difference

[peak hollow]

maybe its like how some snakes evolve to look like a more dangerous species lol

[lofty thistle]

That's even dumber

Also the snakes mimic the colors

Not the entire skeleton

[peak hollow]

idk, be mad ig?

[lofty thistle]

The pfp fits this very well

[ember blaze]

Hi

[torpid ocean]

like ffs

they bothered to make a pinkish hadrosaur for antarctopelta to cross paths with

[ember blaze]

The colours are different Imo

[torpid ocean]

it used the same model as edmontosaurus

[ember blaze]

But also

Like

[torpid ocean]

nameless hadrosaur who's there for ambience gets a different coloration and they can't bother to make the star of its own segment distinct

smh

[ember blaze]

Pulling a WWD

[lofty thistle]

Reminder both of these animals are Soo closely related that people thought they're the same species

[ember blaze]

I think Kuru looked slimmer

[lofty thistle]

Pretty sure it doesn't

Just the angle

[torpid ocean]

I have a google doc with all the different species

[ember blaze]

Also apparently

[torpid ocean]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n465lJxf5iY2141GtksMY4lGdZ1llIcvcEcjDbRAwSU/edit?usp=sharing

[lofty thistle]

Or just individual variety

[ember blaze]

The mouth of kuri is accurate

[lofty thistle]

https://twitter.com/prehistorywiki/status/1523801465394978816?t=qr3PGLn2JBdsdWtfbdRW7Q&s=19

Prehistoric Wiki 📝🦖 (@prehistorywiki)

Diagram of material known of the dromaeosaur Kuru kulla (officially described last year), with unfigured fossils in grey. This image was fact-checked by Napoli himself.

Twitter · May 9, 2022, 11:05 PM

[ember blaze]

Where is ||Globidens||

[lofty thistle]

Eru you don't need to use spoilers

[torpid ocean]

Globi?

huh

[ember blaze]

Yep

It’s in oceans

Soundtrack confirms a few species

[torpid ocean]

there

[ember blaze]

||Gobidens vs mosasaurus|| is one

[near sage]

Described last year?

[torpid ocean]

wait globi vs mosa?

[ember blaze]

Yep

[torpid ocean]

that helps to narrow down what species it'd be

[near sage]

Makes sense why there isn't a brand new model for it then

[torpid ocean]

probably alabamaensis

[ember blaze]

There’s more

[torpid ocean]

wait if they're not here then don't tell me

I want to be surprised

[lofty thistle]

They're in the sky

[ember blaze]

SORRY IM WRONG ITS NOT GOBIDENS

It’s ||globidens and mosasaurus|| not vs

[lofty thistle]

Eru moment

Eru didn't you say you wanted to avoid spoilers ?

[torpid ocean]

welp back to sp

[ember blaze]

||Phophorosaurus||

[ember blaze]

ITS NOT SPOILERS IF I DONT LOOK UP WHAT IT US

[peak hollow]

hahaha thats true

[ember blaze]

I don’t know these animals

[lofty thistle]

KNOWING WHAT SPECIES IS GONNA APPEAR IS SPOILERS

[ember blaze]

||Mortuneria||

[lofty thistle]

HA

Pffff

That creature face

[torpid ocean]

everyone knows morturneria will appear

[lofty thistle]

Plebb look it up

[ember blaze]

That’s all the stuff from the soundtrack

[torpid ocean]

look what up

[lofty thistle]

This

It has a funny face

[ember blaze]

OMG ||BABY AMMONITES||

[lofty thistle]

They literally appeared in the trailer eru

[lofty thistle]

Everyone knows

[ember blaze]

||TYRANNOSAURUS BROTHERS||

[lofty thistle]

I'm crying looking at it

[torpid ocean]

of laughter?

[lofty thistle]

Yes

It looks stupid

I love it

[peak hollow]

you are spoiling things for yourself Eru

[lofty thistle]

Fr lol

[ember blaze]

||Carnotaurus vs Dreadnaughtus||

[lofty thistle]

LIES

[torpid ocean]

homie looks like he got kicked in the balls

[lofty thistle]

Pretty sure both didn't live together

[torpid ocean]

idk what she said

but remember kuru and corythoraptor

[lofty thistle]

READ THEN

[torpid ocean]

LIES

[lofty thistle]

This

[torpid ocean]

they would never do that

[ember blaze]

||Beelzebufo||

[lofty thistle]

Php trying to copy gods work

[torpid ocean]

I love the endless grassy plains

very authentic

[tacit isle]

What happened?

[lofty thistle]

If I don't see this in php I will slap someone

[ember blaze]

Soundtrack came out

Something I’m very intrested in

There’s a track that’s weird

[tacit isle]

Why's that?

[torpid ocean]

hey guys would you mind if I preach something real quick

[ember blaze]

I don’t want to spoil it

[lofty thistle]

Eru you already spoiled everything

[torpid ocean]

Mosasaurus can get really fucking big

[ember blaze]

Nearly used Gekkos Homo sticker

[torpid ocean]

but have you ever considered

[lofty thistle]

That's what she said

[torpid ocean]

bebe mosasaur

[ember blaze]

It’s weird

[lofty thistle]

I'm gonna eat it

[ember blaze]

Basically land boi that

[tacit isle]

No me

[lofty thistle]

Yes

[ember blaze]

It’s troodondidae

[torpid ocean]

BEBE MOSASAUR

[ember blaze]

It’s called that

[torpid ocean]

you can't eat it silver

[lofty thistle]

IT'S UGLY

[torpid ocean]

clidastes is SACRED

YOU ARE UGLY

[ember blaze]

And that’s not in the trailer

[lofty thistle]

Good luck trying to stop me

[lofty thistle]

I KNOW

[torpid ocean]

HOW DID YOU

[lofty thistle]

What ?

[torpid ocean]

I KNOW

[tacit isle]

Fuck

I didn't

[torpid ocean]

uh

[tacit isle]

Sorry!

[lofty thistle]

Damn

[tacit isle]

Thagw as meant for a dm

[torpid ocean]

was that you

[lofty thistle]

LOSER

[tacit isle]

||yes||

Sorry sorry sorry!

[lofty thistle]

Ohhh

[torpid ocean]

I like your hair

[lofty thistle]

You look pretty

Anyways

[tacit isle]

Ah, thanks!

[torpid ocean]

don't worry my memory's terrible I'll forget your face in a day

[lofty thistle]

PLEBB YOU SUCK

[torpid ocean]

FUCK YOU

[tacit isle]

Good because I'm very forgettable

[torpid ocean]

oh no I didn't mean it like that

[tacit isle]

Thanks!

[torpid ocean]

I mean like if you don't like strangers knowing your face then rest easy

[lofty thistle]

NERD

[torpid ocean]

HOW ARE YOU DOING THAT

[lofty thistle]

DOING WHAT ?

[tacit isle]

Yeah discord is weird on my phone so sometimes it'll show a dm for every server I'm in.

Just forget that you all saw that.

Uh

Hey how about that giant snake?!

[lofty thistle]

I will remember the hair

[torpid ocean]

PALEOLESBIAN COME ON HELP ME OUT HERE

Silver's text is bigger right??

[tacit isle]

[tacit isle]

Woa that's huge

[lofty thistle]

NO

[tacit isle]

[lofty thistle]

That's what she said

[ember blaze]

SMH PLEBB

[lofty thistle]

LOL

ERU MOMENT

[tacit isle]

True

Also I guess this is the legit reveal that I am, in fact, a woman.

[lofty thistle]

I thought you where a koala

Before showing the pic obviously

[strong geyser]

Why does discord implement this stuff I swear

[lofty thistle]

IDK

Lol

Okay that was accidental

[tacit isle]

It was an accident on my part.

[torpid ocean]

HOW DO YOU DO THAT

[lofty thistle]

ON YOUR KNEES

[tacit isle]

Who me?

[lofty thistle]

No

Plebb

Do you wanna be on your knees ?

[torpid ocean]

I'll get on my knees if you tell me how to make text bigger

[lofty thistle]

NAH

[torpid ocean]

your loss

[lofty thistle]

And your loss

LOL

[torpid ocean]

fuck

WAIT

HAHAHAH

[tacit isle]

I'll pass

[torpid ocean]

IN YOUR FACE SILVER

[lofty thistle]

DAMNIT

[torpid ocean]

how does it feel

[lofty thistle]

WHO TOLD HIM ?

[torpid ocean]

YOUR MOM

I'm smart

[lofty thistle]

You copied it

Didn't you

[torpid ocean]

nope

doesn't work

[lofty thistle]

It works for me

[torpid ocean]

cope and seethe, silver

lol

lol

lol

[torpid ocean]

not for me

huh

I'm using computer so maybe that's why

[lofty thistle]

SKILL ISSUE

[tacit isle]

Y'all odd.

[lofty thistle]

Thanks

Welcome to the club

[tacit isle]

Bruh I'm the weirdest one here.

[lofty thistle]

Pffffff

[tacit isle]

I'm a 25 year old woman who loves women, dinosaurs, tanks, and women.

[lofty thistle]

Woman you haven't seen my capabilities

[tacit isle]

Idk if I want to.

Hehe

[lofty thistle]

Ask mayo he has seen it

[tacit isle]

[autumn flint]

So, a female Tankdramon would be to you... 🤔

[torpid ocean]

congratulations, you've officially stopped maturing

it's all downhill for you now

[lofty thistle]

Lol

[spiral shell]

we'll be seeing them tonight.

[spiral shell]

excuse you.

[lofty thistle]

No

[spiral shell]

https://twitter.com/RexPaddock/status/1661005084497461248?s=20

🦖Hank has escaped the T. rex Paddock (@RexPaddock)

Simosuchus is the honey badger of late Cretaceous Madagascar.
#PrehistoricPlanet
#PrehistoricPlanet2

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 1:44 PM

[tacit isle]

As I've heard, jaja.

[dim fog]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Platecarpus_Size.svg/2038px-Platecarpus_Size.svg.png

[tacit isle]

Yooo it's my main man from JPB

[torpid ocean]

clidastes is smaller

therefore better

[dim fog]

true, I was just citing another example

[spiral shell]

haha ahaha aha.

https://tenor.com/view/fiona-hippo-cute-animals-baby-hippo-hippopotamus-gif-11954845

[tacit isle]

Cute hippo

[spiral shell]

what are ya talkin about, that's a Rajasaurus.

[tacit isle]

Haha

[spiral shell]

i'm really hoping it's breeding season for Beelzebufo.

[dim fog]

I thought you dissed the baby eaters

[spiral shell]

i don't recall doing that.

[dim fog]

@torpid ocean do you think the thing about the Isisaurus poop could be retroactively applied to Deinocheirus considering the amount of poop Attenborough said an adult left behind each year?

[spiral shell]

20 tons of dookie.

[dim fog]

That is one big pile of shit

🥁

[spiral shell]

do you think that Prehistoric Planet and Prehistoric Planet 2 is the whole story that the makers wanted to tell?

[dim fog]

no, as I'm sure they'll have plenty of material for more seasons

[spiral shell]

finally using it for something good.

[strong geyser]

Realistically most productions aren't

But this has been worked on and conceptualized for over a decade, so maybe it is largely

[spiral shell]

the scary thing about the Madtsoia is that she was there all along.

[dim fog]

I didn't even see her until it was too late

it was a great jumpscare

[spiral shell]

even scarier was that she appeared before that during the day when the Adalatherium mom was heading out to find food.

[dim fog]

there was also nighttime shots of it

[spiral shell]

on my third watch of the episode, when the mom was heading out i spotted the Madtsoia in the background.

[tacit isle]

Dude I thought that was a simple small snake at first.

That jump scare actually got me because I expected it to be the Majung.

[lofty thistle]

What am I looking at Sam ?

Is that an ass ?

[spiral shell]

it's the snake.

[lofty thistle]

Ehhhh

Okay then

[spiral shell]

the one that snatched the Masiakasaurus.

[lofty thistle]

I know

In the pic you posted it just looks like a brown blob

[torpid ocean]

yes it is

and it's mine

[lofty thistle]

SHUSH NERD

[spiral shell]

well i took this image on my computer.

what i'm getting at is that she was always there.

[lofty thistle]

Okay

I guess

[spiral shell]

if i knew the login to our apple that my mother hasn't told me yet, i'd take a better image from watching the episode on my computer.

[silent island]

i had to watch the snake segment like 3 times but apparently the snake was hiding behind the logs the entire masiaka death sequence

[dim fog]

https://twitter.com/Saibashinreiart/status/1661075090388205571

Saiba Shinrei (@Saibashinreiart)

@Archesuchus It's a deliberate choice by the creative team, they said they didn't want to show stuff like this because there is enough paleo media that depicts dinosaurs as dangerous or ferocious

They wanted to show that dinosaurs are animals rather than monsters

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 6:22 PM

[tacit isle]

I love how they're like "well this documentary about the life of dinosaurs needs to show them acting like animals" and this guy is like "nah fuck em let's see some blood and gore!"

[dim fog]

some complainers for season 1 did say "Where are my bloody dinosaur battles?! 😡"

[tacit isle]

I forget that there's dino fans out there that see them as nothing more than ravenous monsters who hunt and kill.

[dim fog]

I often just ignore those

[tacit isle]

It's people forgetting that these are animals. Like how often do you see a bear and a wolf square up and fight each other to the death?

If they want fights, go watch Jurassic Fight Club or Planet Dinosaur.

The near entirety of Planet Dinosaur is carnivore simping.

[lofty thistle]

Me when tigers and leopards have fought to death in nature

Both sides need to release that nature can be both relaxing and vibe but at the same it can turn to mortal Kombat

[tacit isle]

I'm not saying it can't happen but expecting it to happen every time is just absurd.

Predators want to avoid confrontation at all costs. The slightest wound can be a downfall.

Predators won't hunt dangerous game unless they're desperate or have help. Prey won't pick fights with predators unless they have to.

And I imagine more often than not a predator vs predator fight would have both going for wounding blows first and foremost.

[lofty thistle]

Me when tigers regularly hunt 1,000kg+ gaur

Predators behavior always depends on species

Some predators will hunt other meat eaters

[tacit isle]

I'm just trying to sound smart pls no bulli

[lofty thistle]

I bully everyone who's alive

[tacit isle]

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bite-cat-kitty-pet-gif-17924889

[lofty thistle]

But yeah alot of people need to release that animals can behave normally ( for an animal) or can just go kill everything that moves

Once a polar bear killed 13 beluga whales

Or predators like tigers who will hunt animals that are 5 times their size

[tacit isle]

I feel like a lot of people treat dinosaurs as myth still.

Like they couldn't possibly act like real modern animals because they're so different.

I remember seeing a lot of pushback on feathers because "there's no way this scary reptile could be a simple bird".

[spiral shell]

hollywood is to blame.

[lofty thistle]

People treat prehistoric mammals the same way

[tacit isle]

It's why I appreciate Prehistoric Planet, and to a very specific degree JWD, so much.

and why I very much dislike 65

[spiral shell]

hollywood has brainwashed a majority of people in the world into accepting that Dinosaurs were the very things that their name means.

[dim fog]

and that pterosaurs and marine reptiles are still dinosaurs

or if they do know that pterosaurs aren't dinosaurs, they'll call it a pterodactyl instead

[lofty thistle]

Php needs to show a herbivore ambushing a carnivore

Cape buffalo ambush lions sometimes

So it is natural

[dim fog]

it sounds like something they WOULD showcase, actually

[spiral shell]

but that would strengthen the belief in the terrible lizards view.

[tacit isle]

One of my favorite pieces of paleoart has a bull Edmontosaurus kust chomping down on and dominating a Rex.

I think people forget how big most Hadrosaurs were and think of them less as elephants and bison and more like horses and deer.

[dim fog]

there's a paleoart piece of a Lambeosaurus acting as the aggressor towards a carnivore

[lofty thistle]

Well

Both herbivores do run away from carnivores

[dim fog]

Parasaurolophus itself is bigger than an African elephant

[tacit isle]

It's less the running away part and more of them being used as cannon fodder.

[lofty thistle]

And that isn't really a good comparison

[peak hollow]

tbh i kinda get the blood argument a bit, like in the newest episode when ||the wee fella fell off the cliff and then was getting chomped at and it was all dry||

[lofty thistle]

Yeah

I hated that

I wanted to see the hunt

[tacit isle]

We did see the hunt.

[dim fog]

the previous Php episodes that featured blood had a higher rating than the others that didn't feature it

[tacit isle]

Iirc, the Rex feasting on the Alamo has blood on its muzzle.

[peak hollow]

rex and trike had blood last season too

[lofty thistle]

Show me tarbo hunting a sauropod

Without cutting away

[dim fog]

the Dreadnoughtus battle for instance is surprisingly clean for something based on elephant seal fights, which can get downright gory

[tacit isle]

To be fair, the Sauropod fell from panic.

[peak hollow]

i think the sauropod got stampeded, rather than hunted by the tarbos

[tacit isle]

So they just moved in for the kill.

[lofty thistle]

The one that fell isn't the same one that got hunted

[dim fog]

and likely crushed by their own weight

[lofty thistle]

Both are different species

[tacit isle]

You sure?

[lofty thistle]

Lemme check

[tacit isle]

If Silver is wrong, we should all do a dance emote.

jk

[lofty thistle]

If I turn out correct then I will send a goose to your house

[tacit isle]

I can live with that.

[lofty thistle]

A blood thirsty goose

[spiral shell]

Nemegtosaurus are the smaller ones and the larger ones are called Mongolian Titans

[tacit isle]

Yeah

https://startefacts.com/news/documentary-series-that-is-just-as-entertaining-as-jurassic-park_a133

shows Jurassic World

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-gif-20569409

[tacit isle]

Hey at least this isn't the company that owns the franchise and totally wouldn't reuse JW designs and art pieces again and again, right?

[lofty thistle]

Nvm what I said I'm wrong

Or actually

[spiral shell]

well the way i see it, it isn't exactly a good decision to mention JP or JW either.

[lofty thistle]

Wait how big are the small sauropods ?

[spiral shell]

the larger ones are 70 tons.

[lofty thistle]

And the smaller ones ?

[tacit isle]

[lofty thistle]

I'm gonna slap you with a goose

[tacit isle]

[lofty thistle]

Okay either the dead one is a baby or the tarbos are hyve

Huge

[spiral shell]

i literally just said that they aren't the same species.

[lofty thistle]

I know

I literally said that

And php said that

[spiral shell]

it was a Nemegtosaurus.

[lofty thistle]

Does it look small ?

[spiral shell]

yes.

[lofty thistle]

So it's a juvenile

Maybe idk

It ain't an adult

[tacit isle]

It's a smol one

Inb4 the next Sauropod we get in the game is Mongol Titan.

[spiral shell]

it's a Nemegtosaurus.

[lofty thistle]

I KNOW

[spiral shell]

an Adult nemegtosaurus

[lofty thistle]

AN ADULT WOULD MAKE THE TARBOS LOOK LIKE BABIES

[lofty thistle]

.

[tacit isle]

.

[spiral shell]

so all of the ones we saw at the watering hole were juveniles?

[tacit isle]

Hey just like how all the Dilos in JP and Moros in JW were Juvies, eh?

[lofty thistle]

Maybe

Php does have alot of not fully grown dinos

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-gif-23055499

[tacit isle]

||the only one I'll accept is Moros being Juvie because they're so fucking small||

[lofty thistle]

Head canon isn't accepted

Moros is an adult

[spiral shell]

so from sources on the internet, Nemegtosaurus measured 12 meters with a height of 4 meters and a weight of 20 tons, Tarbosaurus also measured 12 meters with a height of 3.2 meters and a weight of 11,000 pounds. so if you put that into perspective, they aren't really the same size but they're very close.

oh shit.

i looked back at the scene with the Tarbosaurs feeding on the Nemegtosaur and those proportions don't look right, maybe this one is a juvenile, sorry silver.

[peak hollow]

why not look at the scene when the sauropod first falls and see how it scales with the other sauropods? would that be possible

[lofty thistle]

TOLD YOU

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-happy-gif-25679977

[lofty thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/fku-stfu-punching-baby-gif-12138973

[spiral shell]

well we'd have to measure how tall the Mongolian titan's are.

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-slap-cute-gif-13363735

[lofty thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/punt-kick-baby-grandma-gif-8217719

[spiral shell]

alright let's chill with the gifs, i'd rather not get into trouble that's bound to be noticed by the mods.

[lofty thistle]

Lol

Anyways

Pp ep 2 is good

[spiral shell]

i loved the scene where the other Tarchia came in to help his brother.

it's an uno reverse of the Antarctopelta scene from last season.

[dim fog]

not really, given the respective contexts

[dim fog]

https://twitter.com/YutyTyrant/status/1661104991111716865?s=20

Kia 🏳️‍🌈 PhP Season 2 hype train conductor 🚂 🦖 (@YutyTyrant)

Today is the first anniversary of #PrehistoricPlanet S1
I will always be grateful that so many paleontologists, paleoartists, animators, storyboarders, producers, composers, and of course David Attenborough came together in an Avengers level teamup to bring us the best paleomedia

Likes

150

Twitter · May 23, 2023, 8:21 PM

[spiral shell]

i really wanted to see something special be done today.

[peak hollow]

lucky for you theres a new ep of prehistoric planet season 2

[spiral shell]

it's up there right now?

[peak hollow]

not yet, but eventually

in like, 2 hours i assume

[dim fog]

yeah, today's episode was already up by the time I left for work early this morning

[spiral shell]

it actually came on the night before today

[dim fog]

timezones

[spiral shell]

oh.

[tacit isle]

It kinda dawned on me that the Raja's colors are very similar to the JWTG Raja.

This is the lvl 40 version but man those colors are awesome.

It's not 1:1 for sure but it's kinda similar.

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/mildly-ammused-comodo-dragon-meh-so-what-not-interested-gif-10897045

[strong geyser]

Yeah, it's inspired by volcanic lizards which tend to be pinkish in coloration

It looks just, so good man sheesh

[peak hollow]

Ep 3 is out now

[strong geyser]

Oh hell yeah

[tacit isle]

Man Austroraptor looks great.

Angry, vicious Austro sure is something.

[peak hollow]

This opening is brutal

[tacit isle]

Man I forget how large Austroraptor really is.

[peak hollow]

||I really thought the beelzebufo would be part of a rapetosaurus segment, not the other way around||

[tacit isle]

Woa insectivore Pachy.

||I was rooting for the older Pachy so when it got up for round 2 I was happy||

[peak hollow]

Hahah yeah

Pretty good episode!

[strong geyser]

Oh lets fucking gooo!!

The T. rex hunt was in THIS episode??

[peak hollow]

Oh yeah baby

[strong geyser]

Ah that just was cool as I wanted it to be

[tacit isle]

God that Edmontosaurus is huge.

[peak hollow]

I love that they were going against expectation by not showing a rex hunt in the first season, but damn if that wasn't worth the wait because it was awesome

I like that the pachys look like the old jp toy

[tacit isle]

I like that it took two Rexes to bring down the Edmontosaurus. One to hold it down and the other to deliver the bite.

[strong geyser]

Ah man, they got everything right imo about it. I especially like the fact that they mentioned that T. rex had feet that made it move silently

Also yeah, I hate how people just assume that if T. rex bit anything once the fight was over, it had to subdue prey close to it's size. There's a bit of a tustle involved before it's killing something

[peak hollow]

I still think the austroraptors looked a little wonky, but the segment was a lot of fun

[tacit isle]

I mean, the Edmonto they brought down was almost larger than the Rexes.

[strong geyser]

The Austro segment was cool, I like that they actually ripped a lot of the behavioral aspects of it right out of Grizzly Bears

even down to them eating their favorite parts of fish and leaving the rest

[peak hollow]

I think that ep or the first one is my favourite of the season, they're close rn

Is there much footage from promo left for the North America episode? I assume the triceratops fighting is one

[strong geyser]

Yeah I think so as well

Hell I think the Rex vs Quetz segment too but this shit threw me in a loop, maybe it's in oceans since it's on a beach 😭

[peak hollow]

Oh right, that probably will be in it

I feel like we've seen so much of the trailers and I can't think of what to expect going forward
I can think of 3 possible ones for Ocean assuming the rex Vs quetz is in America

I'm holding my breath so much wondering if we will see the extinction in some capacity

[strong geyser]

It would be pretty insane if there was an asteroid sequence, for how much they've shown in promo material, that bit wasn't in any of them

Honestly with the T. rex hunt shown I could leave the show satisfied, but man I would kill someone out of excitement if there's either a Rex vs Trike or Rex vs Rex segment as one of the last in North America

That to me is like peak send off, give it those dramatic shots and music to match the Dreadnoughtus sequence and it would just be perfect

[peak hollow]

Yeah, I'm not expecting it, but it'd be a huge surprise considering we haven't even got a hint of it, just the last episode being titled weirdly different from the rest

[peak hollow]

I assume we must be getting another season or show after this one, I'm grateful for what we have but I'd really love to see some stuff from the early Cretaceous or the Jurassic

[orchid pond]

Havening fought through my internet and Appletv deciding to hate my hotspot until it didn't, that was a good episode, currently I think the Simosuchus scene was my fav (maybe I just like watching pterosaur babies dying with Alcione being my second favorite segment of the entire series), but Beelz is fighting for that spot

[spiral shell]

i had hoped to see an omnivorous Pachycephalosaurus and boy am i glad that it didn't disappoint.

[torpid ocean]

I haven't read anything above yet but I want a quick yes/no answer

I haven't watched but might soon

Does episode 3 have any new species we haven't seen before?

I know it has rapetosaurus, pachycephalosaurus, and austroraptor

[ember blaze]

Yes

No

YES IT DOES

[torpid ocean]

ASIDE FROM THESE?

I'm talking madtsoia in ep1 and kuru in ep2 where they weren't mentioned in marketing

[ember blaze]

Yep

[torpid ocean]

OH MY GOD

[ember blaze]

YEP

[torpid ocean]

OH BOY

I DO LOVE SURPRISES

alright I'm gonna dip like a lodocus so y'all can discuss without spoiling me

[ember blaze]

They aren’t a focus

[torpid ocean]

hey I don't care if they aren't the focus if they're there they're there

[ember blaze]

Also there’s more stuff from the trailers

In the episode

[torpid ocean]

yeah I can only assume that one or two episodes get more focus

[ember blaze]

Edmontosaurus

[torpid ocean]

can't wait to see pachy rutting 😍

[torpid ocean]

is it annectens proper? The Hell Creek hadrosaur?

[ember blaze]

Yes

[torpid ocean]

Cause I realized that the dark brownish one in E4S1 was probably the Edmontosaurus sp. from Prince Creek

YAY

[ember blaze]

Also triceratops

[torpid ocean]

YAY

alright no more spoilers

toodles

[quasi harbor]

Did they pace it like the hero getting up for more in a boxing movie? Kino

Was 3 the episode with raft scrunkly or is that later?

[torpid ocean]

Episode 3 is: watched

absolutely wonderful

loved everything about the pachycephalosaurus

though there's some anachronism with the ||shamosuchus||

It's explicitly stated to be Campanian and died out right before the Maastrichtian

[tacit isle]

What do we think the baby Azhdarchids are?

[autumn flint]

What makes you confident on a goddamn crocodile genus going extinct? Relax with those my dude

[tacit isle]

A bit aggressive

[quasi harbor]

Someone touched a nerve

[autumn flint]

Eh, sorry, was trying to place emphasis, not to come off as aggressive, my bad

[little coral]

anyways, solid ep

didn't feel too short

half of the segments didn't feel so swampy but eh

i loved austroraptor's sounds and overall behavior

[torpid ocean]

dude

[torpid ocean]

there were IDENTICAL unnamed azhdarchid babies in the freshwater episode

[tacit isle]

Oh I forgot

My bad

[little coral]

i've never heard someone pronounce Cephalosaurus with a K before

[slate moon]

I loved the swamp episode, but I still don’t like how the episodes end now

I wish they would show what the next episode has to offer

[peak hollow]

I like not getting the next time teaser, if it was weekly I'd want it but it's only a day away, so I'd rather not see any new clips

[tacit isle]

https://twitter.com/Palaeotaku/status/1661302965037326336

JH (@Palaeotaku)

I noticed the boss Pachycephalosaurus started bleeding after the battle from its nose. #PrehistoricPlanet

Twitter · May 24, 2023, 9:27 AM

I love how everything points to this guy getting killed because he's older and slower, but then gets one nosebleed and gets up for round two.

[spiral shell]

The moral of this story, never underestimate your elders.

[tacit isle]

I was rooting for him the whole time.

But that just goes to show how insanely strong and experienced he is if he can take a beating like that and quicky get back up.

[spiral shell]

https://tenor.com/view/boss-respect-me-gif-14006389

[autumn flint]

Again, there is no Campanian-Maastrichian extinction event, beyond some turnover in North America (where Campanian and Maastrichian faunas are distinct, but mostly due to not much of a record in the late Campanian-early Maastrichian over there)

[autumn flint]

The thing is, all Campanian Asian lineages are present in the Maastrichian, and croc lineages are specially long-lived

26 million years, with the record stopping at 70 because, well, there is no Gobi remains from 66 million years ago

And Shamosuchus is part of the Djadochta biota, which keeps turning up again and again anyway, so, it isn't an issue IMO

[tacit isle]

He looks so freaking goofy but like that's more than likely how they looked.

I want them in the game.

[autumn flint]

it is no Parasaurolophus in Hell Creek lol

[autumn flint]

YES

More Unenlagiids are always great

[little coral]

It's the eyes

[autumn flint]

Halszkaraptor is sorely missing from the doc and this game as well

[little coral]

I would've gone with a different style but the rest of it looks so good so i don't care

[autumn flint]

Goose raptor

[tacit isle]

I like how they empathized that the younger one had it's juvie coat.

[little coral]

It has the same thing as the rex with the eyes making it look more goofy and animated than it actually is

[autumn flint]

Bit of an osprey gaze ngl

[tacit isle]

I'll take goofy eyes over reptilian eyes.

Pyro will never be perfect with those slit eyes

[autumn flint]

Croc eyes are specialized for low light conditions at the edge of water

Not for every fucking thing

Look at the big land predator lezar

Or the largest venomous snake in the world

Not every dangerous reptile has viper/anaconda/croc eyes, and, it gets tiresome when used too much

[tacit isle]

I find it odd that there's inconsistency with the JP/W designs and the eyes.

Like Rex, some of the Velos, and Carno all have bird eyes, but then Giga, Bary, Spino, and Pyro don't?

[autumn flint]

I mean, on the other hand, not all cats have a slit pupil

And skimmers are birds with slit pupils

[tacit isle]

I think that some need bird eyes over others. Like Theri an Pyro definitely needed the bird eyes.

It's especially bad with Pyro due to how thin they are.

They are very thin.

[tacit isle]

Orange eyes look better

[peak hollow]

i agree

[peak hollow]

i cant wait for the last two episdoes, ive been loving season 2 so far, cant tell if its better or worse than the first season tho

it really is just a continuation

[little coral]

S1 has more variety in species and environments. S2 has more thrilling sequences in my opinion

S1 also felt grander

[orchid pond]

Yeah that's generally how I feel

[tacit isle]

I wonder if they'll be a S3.

[little coral]

depends on the clicks

[peak hollow]

the zalmoxes on the raft segment felt a bit too short and almost aimless, which i was concerned might be a trend since these seemed like things cut from the first season, but i can't think of any other examples from ep 2 or 3 that felt that way

[slate moon]

Can someone explain to me the purpose of downloading episodes on Apple tv+?

[tacit isle]

While it's cool to see Hell Creek, I think they could have either saved that for the North America episode of had the hunt take place around the swampy parts instead of a forest.

[peak hollow]

i hope there is as many seasons as they can possibly make
im concerned if they will try make more seasons after Sir David Attenborough passes away (which hopefully wont be soon)

[slate moon]

Hell Creek was my favorite part, it was beautiful

[tacit isle]

The North America episode gives me faith for an entire season based on the other continents (and jumping around the time-frames of the Cretaceous).

Africa, Australia (plus Antarctica), South America, Europe, and Asia (specifically early Cretaceous).

Would be cool to see them show off the modern Irritator or Bary.

[little coral]

I hope they do inbetween seasons specials that take during the different parts of cretaceous

like a single episode

[peak hollow]

that would be cool

like the classic WWD specials

[little coral]

It's mainly because I want full seasons for the Jurassic period from now on but there's still A LOT left on the table for Cretaceous

[peak hollow]

yeah, id like if they did jurassic seasons now with cretaceous specials here and there

[torpid ocean]

Okay hold on

maybe there's a reason why they used shamosuchus

Apparently, shamosuchus was at one point considered to be a synonym for paralligator; particularly, Shamosuchus major

It's worth noting that paralligator as a genus DOES extend to the Maastrichtian in the Nemegt Formation

[peak hollow]

has anyone seen if this season has a toy hidden in it like last one did? haha

[strong geyser]

I also think you're looking too deep into the Shamosuchus thing

[torpid ocean]

perhaps

[silent island]

imo the thing with dinosaur fights

is that the show does a WAY better job at handling hunts in the few occasions that it does
like the canyon scene with tarbos and nemengt
its handled like a horror film in a way, all the sauropods bumping into each other to save their lives, one poor guy even falls off a drop with the panic

now i wouldnt say no to a bloody battle

but imo i like the slightly fictionalised scary hunts

ig scary isnt the right term, tense fits

[torpid ocean]

Honestly this does really help to give a sense of scale on how big austroraptors really are compared to velociraptors

indeed, "much much bigger" as Attenborough said

[strong geyser]

20 feet long in an animal is actually insane

[strong geyser]

Same length in a different animal

[lofty thistle]

https://twitter.com/khriskath/status/1661433733696684036?t=ia4i0Elqp9NtTxJAk30uWg&s=19

Christopher Lenin (open commission) (@khriskath)

The tyrannosaurus from prehistoric planet doesn't match a tyrannosaurus skull, in this almost Sue, which is assumed to be a full-grown adult, not to mention the oddly shaped lower jaw that doesn't quite match the order of the teeth nor does it in its shape.
#PrehistoricPlanet

Twitter · May 24, 2023, 6:07 PM

[torpid ocean]

individual variation exists Christopher

[strong geyser]

They all look like that lol

But yeah Php's rex always had a look that wasn't 100, but I could never put my finger on it

It's actually very distracting

[near sage]

I love the rex design. So perfectly chonk

[strong geyser]

Oh ok, it's not really about the design in general. It's nice, but the head has been throwing me off.

The bottom jaw looks almost like it has jowls

[peak hollow]

jowls?

[strong geyser]

Like what Tegus have

[peak hollow]

ohh i see

[near sage]

I love giving them big jowl muscles myself. Helps sell the strength they have in their bite to me

[strong geyser]

The giant skull and thick neck kind of sells that to me but idk

But yeah, maybe that was the design philosophy behind it, I think it could have been maybe better integrated though

[peak hollow]

its still a fantastic rex

[strong geyser]

Yeah absolutely. It's still easily the best rex design in a documentary

Plus if RJ thinks it looks off I believe him, bro is kind of the king of rex paleoart

[near sage]

I usually think RJ's rexes look off to me

[tacit isle]

Who's RJ?

[strong geyser]

RJ Palmer

made the art for Saurian's rex famously

[near sage]

And box art for BotM rex

[strong geyser]

Php's designs are generally pretty amazing but I've heard at least some of them have a few anatomical oopsies. The Mosasaur is apparently one such culprit.

[near sage]

Carno too, but that was due to unpublished info being published too late for them to change it

[strong geyser]

Oh yeah, but I'm not citing that for that reason

[tacit isle]

Ah that one....eh

Didn't care for that one.

[peak hollow]

and they fixed it with majunga didnt they

[strong geyser]

The Pachy one still leaves my jaw dropping jesus

[tacit isle]

The rest are fine but the first one is too "bear-like".

[peak hollow]

i thought the fourth one was pretty bear like

regardless i think bear rexes work

[strong geyser]

I don't really get what's bear-like about them. If it's the lips that's just a wrapping of how it fits around the skull

[peak hollow]

for me its the lips but also in the fourth one the way its eyes look just remind me of a bears
as well as just being large predators with kinda helps

[lofty thistle]

Well bears and rex do have alot in common

[strong geyser]

They also made this one which is truly evocative of bear imagery, down to the colors

[spiral shell]

did anyone else notice during the end of the fight between the Pachycephalosaurs that the ones in the background weren't looking at the younger male when he was calling out victory?

[peak hollow]

weirdly this strikes me as less like a bear, i think the fourth ones head just looks softer and that adds to it, whereas this one is quite spiky

[peak hollow]

i didnt see that, i was too busy looking at the young male

[near sage]

I did notice them look away from it

[dim fog]

yes, and Raja

[spiral shell]

what info?

[dim fog]

the scales on the body being arranged randomly, not in neat rows across the body

[strong geyser]

Also more like, there's no osteoderms and instead, there's flat scales that cover the body

Carno was pm always portrayed with osteoderms in virtually all art

Left is post paper, right is before

It's similar to the skin of Triceratops

[strong geyser]

It looks like it yeah, though idk how they did that so fast unless it was already in the design as like a separate integument they made

[tacit isle]

Here we go!

[peak hollow]

oh yeah baby!

[tacit isle]

Oh hey baby Pyroraptors

(really just seems like an unmodified Velo baby model)

[peak hollow]

Ammonites are so strange man, why do some of them look like that

[torpid ocean]

is ep 4 out?

[strong geyser]

Yeah it's out

Man I don't know if these are just really short or am I just enjoying myself too much

Holy shit my crush Kiersten is on the end segment

[tacit isle]

It was a neat episode, but probably my least favorite.

[strong geyser]

I have a strong feeling North America is gonna be my favorite of the series

But I loved the Ammonite segment

[tacit isle]

I'm pumped for the Trike part.

[ember blaze]

The worst

[tacit isle]

Hi Eru

[orchid pond]

This was a nice chill episode, not among the best or anything but I really can't describe it as anything other than chill
It's got a weirdly calming effect despite the three hunting scenes in it
No individual scene I can say I really like above the other aside from the two Mosasaur scenes just kinda feeling meh to me

[peak hollow]

I can only think of three remaining scenes for the last episode

[strong geyser]

Trike fight, Nanuq, the weird baby dromaeosaur eating bugs

and uh

[orchid pond]

The fact Nostoceras exists is hilarious to me and I love how stupid nature is

[orchid pond]

Alamasaurus and rex

[strong geyser]

right right

how could I forget

[orchid pond]

idk if they're two different segments but we have the rex fighting the Quetz and a shot of Alamosaurus

[strong geyser]

Apparently Diplomoceras was only recently discovered

I swear the ocean parts of PhP are the only segments where I feel like the average viewer, I know very little about mesozoic sea life

[orchid pond]

Can't wait for everyone's favorite tooth taxon Pectinodon to come in

Yeah same

[spiral shell]

yeah um where are your parents?

[orchid pond]

It dropped them off with all the food available for them so it could have a day off

[torpid ocean]

this was a nice episode

baby pyroraptors were an unexpected surprise, though it suffers from a similar problem as the S1 alcione and zalmoxes where I wish we'd gotten a look at the adult

[tacit isle]

Aren't they just Velo babies?

[torpid ocean]

they were a bit more brownish

[strong geyser]

Looked like they had different colors to me

[torpid ocean]

mfw baby pyroraptors are easier to tell apart from velociraptor than kuru

also I'm gonna assume the unnamed (hooray) mosasaur that was in the background for phosphorosaurus was globidens

[strong geyser]

What

[torpid ocean]

I saw a leak that said there'd be mosasaurus and globidens

it's also in the soundtrack apparently

[strong geyser]

I uh, I suppose??

[torpid ocean]

yeah there it is

"Globidens & Mosasaurus"

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9496053--prehistoric-planet-season-2-apple-tv-original-series-soundtrack

[strong geyser]

That's odd because all the terms Attenborough uses to describe it goes to hoffmani

[torpid ocean]

then maybe globidens is the mosasaur that tried to eat the zalmoxes in islands?

[strong geyser]

Oh you know what, maybe actually

[torpid ocean]

it'd be nice if they named globidens given how the soundtrack clearly shows it's actually globidens proper

[orchid pond]

They were reskinned but that's it, I wouldn't be surprised if it was same colors the Kuru either

[torpid ocean]

I feel like there's a lot more reskinning for S2 than there is for S1

S1 we had three dromaeosaurs and all three of them were visually distinct

S2, kuru is identical to velociraptor and they tried to hide it in darkness and the baby pyroraptors don't really look like unenlagiines much, clearly also re-using the baby velociraptor model

[orchid pond]

Have there been any reskins aside from the raptors?

[torpid ocean]

some people have pointed out that the alamosaurus look a lot like the dreadnoughtus from S1 but with the air sacs removed and osteoderms added in

[strong geyser]

The Alamosaurus is a bit of a let down imo

Let 🗣️ Gabriel 🗣️ design 🗣️ it 🗣️

[torpid ocean]

I'm enjoying PP2 so far but some of it feels... idk... cheaper?

like, cheaper as in, it feels like budget wasn't available much

or if they sort of rushed/took the easy way out

I still remember a very rough-looking hatzegopteryx landing animation in episode 1, actually broke my immersion for a sec

[torpid ocean]

omg this right here, alamosaurus didn't NEED to re-use the general dreadnoughtus model

[brittle apex]

for me the species blend in a bit less than i remember compared to s1

[torpid ocean]

plus the anachronisms have jumped noticeably

in S1 it really only was velociraptor and even then one trip to Twitter and Darren Naish would push up his glasses and go "well actually it's indeterminate velociraptorine remains that could represent a Maastrichtian species of everyone's favorite dromaeosaur"

Meanwhile S2 has shamosuchus, kuru, tethyshadros...

tethyshadros can be somewhat excused

There's also the shorter runtime which can be sometimes felt with some episodes feeling like they jump all over the place

with the exception of rough bits of animation though none of these really "ruin" the series, but they stand out more given how rigorously made and iron-clad the previous season was

[strong geyser]

The only """"""issue"""""" I have with PhP's animation is that a lot of animations don't capture the avian kind of robotic movements and dead stares birds have today. Everything moves and looks so lively. Idk if that makes sense

[torpid ocean]

no I get that

personally though aside from some animation not being as well-implemented into the environment as before it really does just exclusively involve the hatz landing

it was just... damn, it was rough

idk if there are clips on YT

[brittle apex]

timestamp wise and what episode?

[strong geyser]

https://youtu.be/wrxjJQAta7g?t=48

[torpid ocean]

YEAH THAT ONE

felt so fucking weightless

how did that make the final cut

[brittle apex]

it just goes plop then slides a bit

[strong geyser]

Yeah it's minor but it definitely catches the eye in a bad way

[torpid ocean]

precisely

feels like a lot of my main criticisms (with the exception of anachronisms) all can fall under the 'not enough production time' category

some rough animation, incomplete environmental rendering, using reskins whenever applicable, shorter overall episodes

[brittle apex]

the scene with the tiny mosasaurid where it fades to black looks funky rendering wise

[torpid ocean]

it does

[brittle apex]

also it such a weird transition and its unrealisitically no light source black the scene it cuts to

[torpid ocean]

also this is a bit of a pet peeve but the science segments sometimes really fail to answer the actual questions I have

E1 left me wondering about adalatherium's egg-laying for example, and they talked about azhdarchids being able to walk n' run good which is far from obscure knowledge

[strong geyser]

To the average audience member it is

Pterosaurs to them are the ones that fly

what is it doing on the ground

The egg laying mammal thing ironically is like the least insane bit of info

[torpid ocean]

now you have a point there

idk why Darren Naish hasn't made a thread where he talks about the scientific decisions behind each general "sequence"

those were really cool and answered the other questions that paleontology enthusiasts like me could consult for any other questions

E2 talked about the way dinosaurs took care of their young - cool stuff

I didn't have many questions though I was interested in the reasoning for kuru and corythoraptor sharing a scene

[strong geyser]

Eh, I think you look far too hard into stuff like that. Wikipedia skimming through formations doesn't exactly reveal the full extent to real world animal ranges and the sort

[torpid ocean]

I know that

in fact, I myself always argued about how it's best to not consider formations and time periods to be set in stone

But kuru is a special case