Soothsayer(Spirit+Nature) mage elemental pet build Necromancer/Sienna

[meager sundial]

So as many of you might know and if you didn't the new necromancer class of Sienna(mage) of Vermitide 2 game has recently dropped and I'm thinking to bring her to TQ world as well.Her main attribute is summoning undead enemies to fight for her while helping so a Soothsayer pet build is sef kiss for it on TQ.
I have already found some pretty good stuff for her like 2x ritualist rings of the tinkerer,theurgist's amulet of convocation,doomfang staves with fire and vitality base dmg and I want some help to decide what other items to use that could be usefull for the build and be "lore-acurate" base on the Vermitide game.
The photos down are a test character to help.

[orchid saddle]

Get recharge for permanent outsider with refresh, get elemental damage for pets, get resists and HP for yourself.
Archmage's Clasp is my thing for arms, a Shaman's helm if possible (or just any hallowed thing for a Chaos relic with pet damage CB)

[meager sundial]

I have a very good hallowed helm for that matter,although a shaman's helm?Is that an item or prefix of a green item??

No Craceteus set for her to use?

I mean sure I can go multiple ways with a soothsayer just you wouldn't recommend it @orchid saddle ?

[orchid saddle]

Neandarthal Mage MI

[orchid saddle]

for a pet build the set is nothing special, it's alright resists wise and all but it's str reqs and no recharge and you can do so much more for a sooth- also you need A LOT of + to skills

[meager sundial]

Right, I completely forgot about the str base requirement to that set,my bad.

[meager sundial]

From what monsters can I find that one?

[orchid saddle]

well... neandarthal mages 😛

but I'm only thinking of that one for recharge, if you get recharge in other ways you dont really need it

[meager sundial]

Those are the mini-barmanu mage of act 3?? 👀

[orchid saddle]

yes, all neandarthal mages

[cinder pier]

i dont see your gear

[meager sundial]

Okay, I will farm those one's or I will use the hallowed helm

[orchid saddle]

if you figure out recharge otherwise just use the hallowed helm

[cinder pier]

also take vision of death xD too many people refuse to

[meager sundial]

Yes because I haven't decided it yet expect the jewelry and staff

[meager sundial]

I am one them lol

Maybe I will consider it to see how it works for ones

[cinder pier]

well it will depend on your survivability with a staff, I often play soothsayer with melee for deathchill

it has 66% fumble/impaired aim

with +4 its 8 sec duration

the fear is really annoying, kinda wish it didnt have that

[meager sundial]

Should I use the fire base doomfang staff or the vitality one...Fire dmg is on her lore you could say because of her other classes on Vermintide 2.

[cinder pier]

it wont matter 😛 your a pet build right

take the one wiht better affixes

like tinkerer or of the betrayer if that drops

[meager sundial]

Yes pet build

[meager sundial]

I have to check but I think the vitality base one is of the tinkerer so sweet

[cinder pier]

then double medicine with reduced armor is best for pets DPS

[meager sundial]

You mean monkey kings or an other one...?

[cinder pier]

chinese medicine relic

forgot the name, Yen Longs or something 😂

its the only weapon relic with RR

[meager sundial]

Ah okay that will be easier to find it o guess

[orchid saddle]

Shen Nong's Medicne- with slow CB it's pretty decent.
You can combo it with Monkey Kings and have some hefty RR + plague

and spread it all with Ternion 😄

[meager sundial]

I have already the ritualist ring of tinkerer for the monkeys so I can go with other relic on staff

[orchid saddle]

use them all 🧠

[cinder pier]

oh it didnt have reduced

which one am i thinking of

i think u should use one medicine then

if you want some resist, u can use a Yaguai horn as the 2nd component

[meager sundial]

Sure 🧠

[orchid saddle]

not even allfathers? smh 🤣

[cinder pier]

as long as you get the physical resist on it

[orchid saddle]

I'd be using Black Pearl stuff but that's only cuz I got some with +2 to all skills or -%recharge on them from their natural affixes and way too much farming, but that's up to you.
I also really like the health boost they give (amulet especially), and the set bonus is a good amount of slow (sadly no more 3/3 set bonus with ring x2 + amulet ;-;), and it's less damage than possible

[cinder pier]

dont go for black pearl uless you're gonna TQVault -> add sacred

[meager sundial]

I mean I could but I will lose the tinkerer benefit

[meager sundial]

I have a black pearl with health regen btw 👀

[orchid saddle]

I'm joking ofc, but a wraithlords tinkerer would be optimal if you want 2x MKs, but really just a plain allfather + any suffix/no suffix + 1 MK is good enough imo

[cinder pier]

black pearl with concentration suffix O.O

[meager sundial]

Allfathers ring of immortality with elemental dmg sef kiss I already have it

[orchid saddle]

ye exactly, love me the HP boost. I think the 450 HP (or more if u got it on an act 4 ring with %scaling) and bigger pet dmg boost is better than a tinkerer ritualist ring anyway, especially since you need to hit a thing to apply the monkey king

[meager sundial]

I will see if I need res overall and I will decide then

Actually let me load up a test character for that...brb

[meager sundial]

Which torso armor should I use for her and what artifact as well any ideas???

[meager sundial]

Final overall necromancer mage build.

Secondary res+recharge+CS and MS.

[orchid saddle]

these 2ndary resists is why I really like Thoth's Glory artifact for a pet build- other than also almost always having good use out of -%reduction to requirements, you get all of them and + to skills 😄

[meager sundial]

I decide to go with the vitality base staff+ the medicine relic for the RR and slowed attacks of enemies from CB

[orchid saddle]

base dmg of the staff is almost irrelevant here, so it's really up to whatever you have that works best for you

[meager sundial]

I thought about using it should I have it on the bug and change whenever?

[orchid saddle]

on the bug?

[meager sundial]

inventory I mean?

[orchid saddle]

Oh you could do it, idk if the Anubis one is better, I forget it's stats

if it's the one with a lot of vit res then it's a VERY hard choice to drop, especially with the summons 😅

[meager sundial]

I prefered to go with 5 monkeys kings trickery for the RR,some elemental res,pierce res and movement speed,since I didn't need at all the demon's blood for vit res

[meager sundial]

here+summon the mage mummies

I was between the +2 to all and this one with the res CB

The only bad thing about those mummy summons is that they have a life spam like ancestor warriors and outsider but because they are from an item which in this case from the artifact their skill don't get affected by the refresh skill of nature,which is sad. 😦 😦

At first when I saw them I thought sweat more summons but they are not permenant pets like wolfs they are like dream image as well. 😦 😦

[orchid saddle]

I understand, definitely tempting 😄

[orchid saddle]

yeah but they are much much stronger so it makes sense

[orchid saddle]

also that CB 🤣

[meager sundial]

Yeah,I know it's really bad,but at least it's not that big debuff+I have overcapped MS even with this one on

Should I go for the braid ward to get the -energy cost% to cast cheaper???

[orchid saddle]

if you got the points I like it just for defenses, but that depends

[meager sundial]

I don't have space for it but still

[orchid saddle]

Especially since you got refresh spam a lot, you can use it frequently. You need to put liche and wolves/nymph on the other skill bar though, and even then it's near filled both skill bars 🤣

[meager sundial]

I know... 😦

[meager sundial]

Maybe when I'm changing weapon,I could put the ward skill on RMB to get the energy cost down at least...

[orchid saddle]

remember that for spreading debuffs you only need the ternion upgrade at a good level, ternion itself can stay low lvl

And with a lot of recharge you can spam Dark Covenant easily for mana and damage

[meager sundial]

Max out both of the ternion attack skill

[orchid saddle]

(this is also where Apples of Idun can help which is why Im thinking of using them myself)

[meager sundial]

for the energy regen okay I will see...

[orchid saddle]

base ternion doesnt need maxing if all you want is to spread debuffs

it only reduces the -%dmg, but the energy cost increases

[meager sundial]

So taking back points and spread them to other ones

[orchid saddle]

would help your mana and other skills, so yeah its decent if you dont care about your damage

if you didnt attack at all you could also get a defensive stat stick and boost up your resists that way

[orchid saddle]

Cadeceus is decent for poison res iirc, and Geras for nearly everything lol

[orchid saddle]

not even +4 to nature smh you need them apples 🤣
Wolves could use at least 15 lvls in Survival Instinct though

[meager sundial]

By what way I could do that?

[orchid saddle]

if you didnt care as much about your autoattacks to spread debuffs, you could just get any stick with some good stats you need and be done with it

huh looking at your skill bars I wouldnt think this was a pet build first and foremost 🤣

[meager sundial]

LUL I'm always maxing the bars as fast as I can and then envest points to other skills and auras

this is a legendary hero afterall she should have all bars unlocked

[orchid saddle]

bars are fine but not maxing liche and his stuff and getting ternion, soul vortex and life drain maxed/near maxed is all not doing much for your pets (ternion is cuz of your debuff setup ofc but you get the point)

Hell even Deathchill I dont think I have on my sooth as I'm not going melee (I hope to get it eventually as a defensive tool but it's not super needed)

[meager sundial]

Yeah I will respect her for sure

[orchid saddle]

you get now why I was saying that this class is the thirstiest for skill points 😅

[meager sundial]

I'm going right through the enemies to get the debuffs+soul vortex+life drain

[orchid saddle]

yeah lvl 40 upgrade to life drain + deathchill can carry you throughout most of the game lol

[meager sundial]

YEAH🫡

Armor protection or Elemental res for CB on apple of iddun?

[orchid saddle]

Either ele res or Stun Res is what I'd go for

Stun res is sweet for, well stun and energy leech and even that +1 HP regen is nice to counter the Dark Covenant cost (and work with the base stats of Idun)

[meager sundial]

They are not that bad actually now with the aplle,but yeah this poison and bleed. 😭

[orchid saddle]

for poison I'm thinking of a staff swap, for bleed just dont get hit lol 🤣

There's also a staff that might be a good stat stick, bleed + ele res +1 to all skills and -% recharge, could free up a slot or 2, but it would ruin the debuff spread

[meager sundial]

Which should I use for the poison res.

[orchid saddle]

I think your idea is perfect for a fairly glass cannon anyway heh

[orchid saddle]

huh I cant reach TQDB 🤔
it was Caduceus

[meager sundial]

this staff right?

[orchid saddle]

yep although thats a terrible poison roll, near the lowest possible lol

[meager sundial]

Don't worry the one on the left has 118% poison res LUL

Also this is with the ward skill up

so it's better than nothing for now

[orchid saddle]

so Dark Covenant is basically free for you lol

[meager sundial]

If you mean it by it doesn't cost me any points on the regen after it's active then...YES!!!

Yeah,I think I overdid it a bit with the energy regen,it's like having permenant outsider with no cost...Even if it's not full that -energy cost reduction% HOLY!!!HAHAHAAA

[orchid saddle]

oh yeah, the HP regen counteracts the health cost, and the mass regen and damage boost is always good for your pets, even 10% total speed to have you at max MS 😛

make sure to max the base skill for the longer duration and the upgrade for obvious reasons

[meager sundial]

Yeah max out the elemental dmg% for pets is very sweat and it's always good to stay for longer duration obviously...

[meager sundial]

I have already TS% from str of the pack for the max MS so don't need it for that so much,more for the CS.

Although I have dark convenant like permenant so no need to worry so much about the duration,at least for now that it's the start, I will do it later.

I completly forgot I have that one as well,my bad...So prehaps yeah I have 100% energy cost reduction LUL 👀 👀

[orchid saddle]

oh yeah, although that one is annoying to keep up as it can die easily and also has a low radius, but if you plop it down along with briar ward you'll be fine 😄