#Include a politics thread in #intrests.

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tropic scarab
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Roblox Username: Skilluar
Suggestion: Include a politics thread in #1264495613051932702, or a different channel entirely. I don't have a problem with people speaking about politics in general, but most of the time it becomes a issue where different topics cannot be talked about moreso of the time due to the conversation. Theres obviously a lot of people who really like politics, so it would make sense to make it its own different channel, or a topic.

Quick thing before this does get discussed, I do NOT have a problem with people talking about politics. I just think that since a lot of people are obviously interested in the topic, it can be moved to its own category.

twin granite
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sure

quasi pasture
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#🏢┃departmental message

tropic scarab
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Was there a specific motive on that?

twin granite
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so a more dedicated place is the suggestion

tropic scarab
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If its a huge intrest, then why cant it be placed in #1264495613051932702? I dont really see a plausable area of objective to have people talk about a topic where not only conflicts can arise heavily, but can also be in dislike to many other members. In where a topic can be created regarding that as any other topic that people are passionate in talking about, it can help control one of the problems in general.

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Another thing, I dont think "politics" should be aliased as "any other topic in QSP".

quasi pasture
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for discussion

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go somewhere else

tropic scarab
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But theres no moderation in it in general?

quasi pasture
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there is?

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by treating it like any other conversation it's moderated like any other conversation

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"we are not interested in promoting politics" ≠ "we are discouraging politics"

tropic scarab
quasi pasture
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yeah but that happens all the time

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with other topics too

tropic scarab
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"-where not only conflicts can arise heavily, but can also be in dislike to many other members."

quasi pasture
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okay, so you could just change the topic or come back later surely

tropic scarab
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Im confused on the motive of QSP with politics. You say that you dont want QSP to be a place for people to discuss such matters, but you also insist on having it as any other conversation.

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There was also another suggestion to ban politics which was denied under the reason that people can "talk about politics".

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If moderation persists with this, then why cant it persist in a dedicated channel?

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Not only would it solve clutter and have people talk about stuff that aren't in a sensitive opinion, it can help moderate situations where possible regarding such.

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And, honestly speaking, most people dont want to see that all the time in general.

quasi pasture
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ill let bob handle this when he wakes up

tropic scarab
prisma bolt
# quasi pasture with other topics too

Okay first of all—this ^, politics is just another topic like news, or interests, or sports or whatever—the "here not only conflicts can arise heavily, but can also be in dislike to many other members" is an argument that can be applied to literally any topic, what? you don't see football team fans literally engage in fights or cause vandalism over what team is better? If this can be applied to any topic, and is very clearly a separate thing from the discussion (since clearly talking about the state of the elections is not the same as arguing what presidential candidate is morally correct) then the problem is in the extremism of it, which as enigma pointed out, can be dealt with like any other case, because it's the same.

Second, you don't seem to understand the difference between lack of encouragement and to not encourage: we do not want QSP to be a place of politics as much as we do not want QSP to be a place of, say, talking about the news. That doesn't mean you can't do it, it just means we do not want to give a means specific to do it, putting a place to specifically talk about something is quite literally to encourage it; tied to this is that we frankly do not care if it's a really big interest, you don't go to a library and start talking about TV there just because everyone also likes it too, places have purposes and the purpose of this server is not politics.

If you want a place to talk about politics, go to a place that is meant for talking about politics, if you think people talk too much about politics, well okay I think people talk too much about other topics too but that doesn't really give any reason to give them anything special about it

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@tropic scarab ^

summer scaffold
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this is gonna go so wrong once people start spamming "slava ukraini" in it

granite marlin
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this is a terrible idea

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politics and QSP dont mix well

twin granite
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politics has been fine in qsp

junior summit
tropic scarab
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One of the main things I'm trying to adress is the medium stance you guys are trying to take, and operate under. A lot of people do not want general to be flooded with stuff about politics all the time due to how people take stances during conversations thereof. If you don't want it to be a topic, why not just either make it a channel or just moderate it altogether?

prisma bolt
# tropic scarab No. Its not "any other topic". Politics have more tendencies to be way more sens...

Of course other topics "not once had caused any sort of arguments". Because they're moderated and/or deescalated and you haven't seen them. If you have examples of arguments on politics, I'd ask for them but they should've been reported.
If your point is to move politics elsewhere/remove them because it causes arguments, one that's a wrong motive which you should instead report to QSOC (and if we see frequent enough might do something, as far as I know there are literally no complaints other than this), and two as I said, any topic can cause arguments, we deal with them that's literally our job, the fact that you don't see them but only know politics seems to imply it's because it's an example commonly referred to anywhere for "arguments" which is rather prejudicial; I'm not making any assumptions but as far as I know your reason is "because it's politics" and nothing else

Also I never said we don't want it to be a topic, I said we don't want QSP to be a place for politics; which again making a channel only encourages it to be a topic, and to be a place for politics

tropic scarab
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Alright. If its a no its a no. I'm not going to continue going back and forth on this.

junior summit
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I honestly agree with Skilluar here

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I personally belive we should either completely ban political or contain it in a thread or channel

twin granite
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I think we should test the waters ^

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Let’s open the thread and see

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Because from personal experience, I’ve seen politics go bad only once

granite marlin
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i've seen it go bad multiple times in multiple servers including qsp

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it just shouldn't exist here

signal parrot
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only thing i dont get is

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if a politics thread is a no, WHY do we allow politics in #general

junior summit
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FR

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We should just ban it outright

signal parrot
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if politics were always banned always i can get it but noo politics are allowed but only if theyre in general so they disturb everyone else who doesnt want to talk politics

night wagon
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You guys are missing the entire point

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Politics is going to be (and is right now) treated like anything else

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We aren't a politics focused server so we aren't going to have a channel/thread specifically for it

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It's allowed in general the same as talking about the random raccoon you saw on the side of the road

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Talking about politics is allowed as long as its civil. However it's harder for us to keep tabs and to moderate a thread compared to it in general

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Also if anyone is upset about general politics talk in general then they can just deal with it.

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HOWEVER: if you are talking about something ultra sensitive and THAT is what is making people uncomfortable maybe that's a sign your discussing it in the wrong place

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I like engaging in politics. Hell my major is highly political in nature.

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Politics is allowed to be talked about

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But we don't want heated political debates happening in this server because they almost never end well

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If you are talking about something political in general that some people are uncomfortable being around, and you have the self awareness to realize that it's the specific topic your talking about MAYBE a Roblox game discord server isn't the best place to be discussing it

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At this point your arguments for this are "we want to talk about X thing that we know a lot of people don't want to see being discussed here" and your takeaway from that realization is to blame the people who are uncomfortable instead of coming to terms that you are discussing a highly controversial and deeply sensitive topic in a discord for a Roblox game.

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Tl;Dr : talk about politics in general. If you enter a topic that you realize is making people too uncomfortable (especially to the point that said people are making it clearly known), then take the hint and either change the topic or move it out of qsp

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Example: You wouldn't debate/argue about the right to abortions in the lobby of a hospital's waiting room. Maybe the solution is to stop talking about it in the waiting room instead of demanding they create a room specifically for you to talk about this away from everyone else.

quasi pasture
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^^^^

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that's basically what i was getting at 😭

junior oriole
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i agree with loveless

summer scaffold
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dang even enigma responded

tropic scarab
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crazy right

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guess it was worth a shot