💽Programming Chat v2

[spare quartz]

var socket
socket = tlssocket(socket)
…

or however you do that in rust..

[timid quartz]

https://gcc.gnu.org/legacy-ml/gcc/2003-05/msg02515.html

hm this might yield something

I need terry to re-send his sysroot though

[spare quartz]

2003…

[timid quartz]

yeah ik lmfao

if this doesn't work I'll sign up for the mailing list and send something

[spare quartz]

just shows it’s reliablity over LLVM!!!

GNU 4EVER

[timid quartz]

seems like a lot of mail on the gcc-help list just

goes unresponded to

I kinda regret deleting that sysroot now

coulda tested whatever is on that mailing list

[pallid loom]

hi anyone here available for a quick question

or actually i'll just ask

so the scenario i'm trying to figure out is the following; there's an interactive screen that has access to all public and private message, but the problem is i'm not sure how the hell do i check if the interactive screen is requesting messages from the api or just someone that guessed the url. unable to use stuff like IP's since it's going to constantly change, auth cookies won't work either since the requirement for viewing it is that you're not logged in, otherwise you use the normal process, and i am currently thinking about placing something in localstorage or similar?

[timid quartz]

hmmmm

perhaps something in localstorage

or otherwise an identifier that you can trace back to the machine

I think in your case it would be good to find some way to have the identifier predictably change

@spare quartz

I think I have to use gcc 8.x

[pallid loom]

had that idea already

implementing in the sense that it sends an intial request which then returns a cookie if it's valid

it's a bit more complicated but that's because servers can't read localstorage

now the problem is this: https://new.cdn.teo0781.dev/u/40ece6d9-5bb4-46c2-892d-43d8ef649f52.gif

which i really don't understand because the login cookie is set fine and their code is IDENTICAL

[timid quartz]

Could it be that it’s just sending two requests when it should be sending one?

[pallid loom]

it's much stupider than that.

api was on my machine's local address, i was accessing from localhost

that was the entire stupid issue

[timid quartz]

rrr @spare quartz

erroutc.ads:436:07: error: run-time library configuration error
erroutc.ads:436:07: error: file s-secsta.ads had semantic errors
erroutc.ads:436:07: error: entity "System.Secondary_Stack.Ss_Pool" not available
s-stoele.ads:87:13: error: unrecognized intrinsic subprogram

I configured it with --disable-libada why is it doing runtime lib stuff

whatever...

this was jsut for x86_64-elf anyways to like

try to compile it for something else that might work

[pallid loom]

i love testing on interactive screens! yay!

especially those that don't fit in my god damn room and i have to go to the living room every time i want to test it

[spare quartz]

ughg

ghi im awake

i had the weirdet drea mfo my life

[timid quartz]

I can’t even get it to compile an Ada GCC on x86_64-elf 😭

maybe because that arch doesn’t target an OS or anything so I have to like remove all libc stuff

[spare quartz]

you have a problem

[timid quartz]

NO U

[spare quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mko5Y8QUEjI

this is literally you

[timid quartz]

Listen I know for a fact this works

Someone somewhere before me has done it

[spare quartz]

yeah

[timid quartz]

I just gotta figure out how

[spare quartz]

ME

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56721890/setting-up-a-bare-metal-x86-ada-toolchain

[timid quartz]

You’ve never cross compiled gcc in your life

[spare quartz]

here

[timid quartz]

you and your stupid JVM

[spare quartz]

yes i have

windows and arm

[proud creek]

🦾

[spare quartz]

shut up tz or ,,,, i cant say that

COMPILER WE HAVE A PROBLEM

COMPILER WE HAVE A PROBLEM

[timid quartz]

maybe I’ll try cross compiling aarch64-elf

[spare quartz]

guhghghguhgugh

why do you have to keep doing this

[timid quartz]

BECAUSE

I wanna get it running

[spare quartz]

okauy but you keep talking makes me wanna do stuff

and thats illega.l

[timid quartz]

L bozo

[spare quartz]

no./

[timid quartz]

I WILL make this work

I WILL run Ada on a SPARC

[spare quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfmjWYhOzQc

[timid quartz]

See this is my issue

I do something like this

It doesn’t work

I get more encouraged to make it work because it doesn’t work

[spare quartz]

okay but giving up is reasonable too

[timid quartz]

1 week later my wall has a giant head-shaped hole in it

[timid quartz]

NO IT MUST WORK

[pallid loom]

was not kidding

it has no stand so we're using the bottom part of the box as it's stand

croatian tech ™️

[spare quartz]

イザナリまたはああああ？

[pallid loom]

i don speak Japanese atp

[lavish dove]

Aaaa

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz well....it's getting further than it has before

[spare quartz]

t0348950348534906930523-2403-41234;14.1.

[timid quartz]

516049910622191626

[spare quartz]

https://www.amazon.com/Tungsten-Cube-Colossal-Ultimate-Paperweight/dp/B0DPJKS9TS

[timid quartz]

you built like a tungsten cube

[spare quartz]

i will mureder you..

unfortunately i am doign art

[timid quartz]

this is taking s o l o n g

[spare quartz]

ｓo　ｌoｎｇ

[timid quartz]

holy moly

the C-only compiler is done

[spare quartz]

holy shit these nukes are so powerful 😭

[timid quartz]

stupid SUN

HAS THEIR OWN ASSEMBLER AND LINKER

[spare quartz]

silly aera

explosive geometry is fun to compute

[proud creek]

kablooey

[timid quartz]

I might be able to find source code for the tools somewhere

[spare quartz]

hold on im about to do sahder rstuff

[spare quartz]

SHADERS ARE HARD!

[spare quartz]

rust 🧟

[timid quartz]

RUST!!!

[timid quartz]

Why would you do such a thing

[spare quartz]

dont worry we also use tamed dogs for our nuke experiments

[timid quartz]

D:

[spare quartz]

its fun.

[timid quartz]

you basically killed bayachao

[spare quartz]

bayachao doesn't look like that!

https://wokedetector.cirnoslab.me/full-list

[spare quartz]

bayachao lore

[timid quartz]

yeah I think I'm done trying to get gcc to target this

[spare quartz]

YAY

HE GAVE UP

[timid quartz]

die

I gave it a really good shot

[spare quartz]

yeah well GCC is a special type of torture when it comes to ... making it

i really wish i knew what package maintainers used

cause what they make are perfect

[timid quartz]

they use scripts that have been built up over decades of trial and error

[spare quartz]

i think i know where the problem lies

gcc isnt made in jvm

therefore, it's bad

[timid quartz]

👎 that would make gcc worse

[spare quartz]

how.

[timid quartz]

gcc can compile java yknow

[spare quartz]

not any more

java compilation was removed eons ago

[timid quartz]

because

[spare quartz]

now its GrallVM

[spare quartz]

and it would've been AWESOME since

[timid quartz]

graalvm*

[spare quartz]

that meant you could compile ada to java!

but noooooooo stupid gnu

nothing should be open source

here have some bayachao schizo posting

https://youtu.be/446KmfyMSeY

[timid quartz]

ugh I really wish it could have worked

[spare quartz]

if you really want i could try doing it 4 u

[timid quartz]

I mean you could if you want

[spare quartz]

also wait

uuuuuhhhhh are you stilli n school

i forgot when shools end..

[timid quartz]

yes I still have classes

[spare quartz]

dont you have compielr classes or whatevr

[timid quartz]

that class is more about the theory

rather than "oh this is how you compile gcc"

[spare quartz]

okay well i meant

[lyric mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/ena-dream-bbq-taski-maiden-dance-animated-gif-27475249

[spare quartz]

does it teach you actual implementation

[timid quartz]

hi katsumi!!!

[spare quartz]

or JUST theory

[timid quartz]

not really

[spare quartz]

god i hate theory

worst class

[timid quartz]

I don't really feel like making an Ada compiler for sparc either

[spare quartz]

well that's a problem you should look into

[timid quartz]

no

[spare quartz]

solutions: don't go to school, don't leave your computer, open intellij..

[lyric mesa]

heya!

[timid quartz]

if you think trying to make a gcc cross compiler is a waste of time

trying to ACTUALLY make a compiler is even more wasteful

[spare quartz]

okay well

think about it this way

gcc = external dependency

making it yourself = not an external dependency and therefore good

[timid quartz]

im not making a compiler that im going to use once

[spare quartz]

wow you suddenly learned what practicality was

what were you gonna do with it again

[rustic vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123259147073368205/1362500587832479774/ssstwitter.com_1744783276206.mov?ex=68029f0e&is=68014d8e&hm=b6ad9442e96f86b26620f01a5c7c182f890868bca2f715d98ec658a0bfc74041&

[spare quartz]

harry this sucks

[rustic vine]

was it here that someone sent the trump phrases thing

https://github.com/hxu296/tariff

I found the repo

[spare quartz]

correct

did you see the new white house post

[rustic vine]

I did not

[spare quartz]

they have technology that allows them to modify space and time

[rustic vine]

lol what

[spare quartz]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/04/8716/

[rustic vine]

maybe if I ask nicely

[rustic vine]

they can roll it back to before I started blundering

[spare quartz]

and they can let me use my computer without having external responsibilities!

[rustic vine]

wait I have the tech to manipulate time and space too

if I just adjust my clock back

thats what they mean right

[spare quartz]

thats only manipulating time

[rustic vine]

oh u right

if I gain more mass such that I exert a non neligible amount of gravitational force on other objects in space

[spare quartz]

the fak

[rustic vine]

would that count

[spare quartz]

was i in a voice channel this entire time?

what did i just disconnect from??

[rustic vine]

oh sorry I was listening in

forgot to hide it on your end

my mistake

[spare quartz]

uhhhhhhh

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabi-Yau_manifold

become this

[rustic vine]

hm

mathematicians really be asking for our respect just to make that

[spare quartz]

that thing isnt even real

i bet some theoretical physicist just overdosed on lsd

[rustic vine]

ye thats how most things come to life

[spare quartz]

its supposed to be engineers doing that

[rustic vine]

btw I read a paper about 1-bit floating point numbers

[spare quartz]

not physicists

[rustic vine]

@timid quartz have you heard about that

[spare quartz]

what was allocated? sign, mantissa, or exponent?

[rustic vine]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2410.01799

[timid quartz]

make ada run on terry's stupid sparc

[rustic vine]

ON bit is 1, OFF bit is -1

[timid quartz]

that's cursed

[rustic vine]

"floating point" is a bit of a stretch

[spare quartz]

this sounds more like a multiplication flag over fp

or just increment decrement in numbered form..

sounds useful!

[rustic vine]

from my understanding the math behind NNs/ML/LLMs usually gets truncated to 16 bit or even 4 bit floating point for the sake of speed (over accuracy of each tensor), the paper is taking that to the extreme and truncating to 1 bit lol

and the only 2 values they represent are 1 and -1

I thought it was pretty funny

[spare quartz]

hmmmmmm

gmie a cse c

[rustic vine]

u just mashed your keyboard

[spare quartz]

no i just approximated my sentence

[rustic vine]

ohhhhh

wth is a sparc

[spare quartz]

processor architecture designed by sun

[rustic vine]

definitely irrelevant then 😄

[spare quartz]

indeed it is

its about as relevant as itanium

but that also means there are autistic nerds who craze about it

[timid quartz]

you have to compile the binutils and then compile gcc

you need gcc 8.x

[spare quartz]

i know i knowwww

[timid quartz]

I used gcc 8.3.0 and binutils 2.32

[spare quartz]

i DID have a reddit post on r/ada that helped me with ARM cross compilation...

but ill need to dig for it in my history

[timid quartz]

the ISSUE is that, once I got gcc built, when I tried to compile a C program with it, LD complained about not being able to find crt0 and other stuff

[spare quartz]

how were you testing it

[timid quartz]

wdym

[spare quartz]

how did you test your C program

or was it not able to compile in the first place

[timid quartz]

it wasn't able to compile

ld complained

[spare quartz]

have you tried

not linking it?

[timid quartz]

yeah so I did try doing gcc -S and then using as on it

but when I gave it to terry it just didn't work

terry's sun machine thought it was 64 bit even though I compiled it as 32 bit too

[spare quartz]

did you run file on it on your computer?

[timid quartz]

sparctest2: ELF 64-bit MSB relocatable, SPARC V9, relaxed memory ordering, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped

[spare quartz]

what about the output from gcc

what does file say for it

ive had a similar issue with ada compilation

[timid quartz]

the output from gcc?

[spare quartz]

gcc -S, yes

[timid quartz]

test/test.s: assembler source text, ASCII text

as one would expect

[spare quartz]

oh i thought you had an object file

frown

give me asecond

[rustic vine]

also apparently gcc on macos is an alias for clang?

someone showed me that today

[spare quartz]

brainge

[timid quartz]

yes im

building this in a debian container

[spare quartz]

in a debian what

:<

[timid quartz]

because of stupid clang

[spare quartz]

oaky my bayachao video is voer

let me get a vm

damn

[timid quartz]

but I swear it's because it's not using the solaris linker and assembler

[spare quartz]

question

is sparc a risc or a cisc

i could've sworn it was a risc

[timid quartz]

risc iirc

[lavish dove]

@timid quartz can I use arduino as cartridge

gba cartridge 😭

lmfao

my arduino is the same speed as the gba

I only have 3 cartridges and they are all good games I dont wanna risk them by flashing them

I also have a raspi

but my new wifi wont let me fucking use it raagh

[lavish dove]

oh my gyat

[spare quartz]

upgraded our HTTP router

its now twice as memory efficient and 20 times less CPU intensive

primarily due to these two stream wrappers we now use

[lavish dove]

dyamn

I feel like every other time I look in this channel its you saying the thing is now x times better lol

[spare quartz]

things can always be improved...

[lavish dove]

yea

like how my router from ~2010 is quadruple the speed of my gba lmao

[timid quartz]

1. How
2. Rust would be better

[spare quartz]

1. FailQuickInput/OutputStream
2. Die

[lavish dove]

Ah a great website

[normal bison]

did you like corrupt your minecraft files or something

[spare quartz]

we're doing shader experiments to add good colored lighting to minecraft

mainly so we can add flair to our nuclear explosions

[spare quartz]

shader here basically does blockcolor * rgb(x / 16, y / 16, z / 16)

specifically on the vertex shader (aka applied to each vertex in the scene), which causes the gradient of color

[lavish dove]

if it doesnt destroy the entire world it isnt a worthy nuclear explosion

[spare quartz]

oh shit its tomorrow

[timid quartz]

Welcome to the world of tomorrow

[spare quartz]

Nono no

I turn 17 tomorrow :<

[timid quartz]

Keep yourself safe btw

You got some thunderstorms moving through

[spare quartz]

YAYYYYYYYY

ロゼットちゃん。。。

[timid quartz]

Sheesh it’s super early

[spare quartz]

What do you mean

[timid quartz]

Nearly 5am

For me

I never stay up this late lol

[spare quartz]

Umm?? Sleep???

[timid quartz]

Soon

[spare quartz]

Ughhh what’s the japanese word for “song” again..

うた

Okay

[timid quartz]

歌

[spare quartz]

That is not what I expected to get when searching for it

https://youtu.be/00gs-LXQAmc?si=DQ8rHw8-Vngm0Ngz

BAH

YOUTUBE SUCKS AT BROWSING JAPANESE

[timid quartz]

L

[spare quartz]

how

oh cmon

https://youtu.be/SfmjWYhOzQc?si=NM77jdhXWiwoAjQR

I had it kana by kana and THE LACK OF A MUSIC NOTE

stupid algorithm

god I can’t sleep

Back to shader dev I go

but first. I need to clean my glasses

god i hope this lasts forevr

unfortunately the precipitation doesn't seem like it'll be super strong

operationally... perfect!

just need to protect against A/C failure and our primary server will be as redundant as it will ever need to be

barring the still unshielded cable

oh well. interference doesn't seem to cause any big issues, DNS still resolves okay

[spare quartz]

might resume work on IA-32 processor finally

[timid quartz]

That’s the Kotlin one right

[spare quartz]

yes

[timid quartz]

gg

make it rust next

[spare quartz]

no .

mainly we wanna add radio support to the CPU through serial pins to interact with the world

[timid quartz]

Wait you use Linux?

[spare quartz]

that is my codevs video

[timid quartz]

oh

Based codev but he also doesn’t value his time

[spare quartz]

he uses arch btw

ughhhhhhh shaders are so hard

idk how to make world position lights

[timid quartz]

Debating IRC server in Rust or Kotlin

Rust because Rust, Kotlin because run it on Terry’s SPARC

Maybe both…

@spare quartz

[spare quartz]

qwerkmweimnrwekmrfwepweriocjwecr!!!

what!!!

[timid quartz]

I need engagement

well ok when I say it that way

idk

wyd

[timid quartz]

and .

[spare quartz]

what is that

[spare quartz]

kotlin

[timid quartz]

さ

[timid quartz]

but rust :3 I think I’ll do both at some point

[spare quartz]

さくし／さっきょく／うた…ばやちゃお
へんきょく…OSTER project

[spare quartz]

the only bayachao video i can understand

... because its all kana ...

[timid quartz]

Well

“Read” (sound out) or actually understand without Jisho lol

[spare quartz]

both

[timid quartz]

Mmm I doubt the second point

[spare quartz]

i do!

i can transcribe it hold on

ロゼットちゃん　ロゼットちゃん
ro ze (-tsu) to chi (-ya) n ro ze (-tsu) to chi (-ya) n
rosette-chan rosette-chan

わたし　私
wa ta shi
i

の
no
my

ロゼットちゃん
rosette-chan

[timid quartz]

Ok fair enough that’s simple grammar

I believe you now

[spare quartz]

なんでそんなにかわいいの？
na n de so n na ni ka wa i i no?
why (na n de) are you (so) [so n na ni] cute?

[spare quartz]

yeah see

[timid quartz]

I thought this was like a full song

[spare quartz]

no its just 4 lines

bayachaos most recent song?? that'd take forever

もふもふもふもーふ

[spare quartz]

but at least i can understand it.

[timid quartz]

I’d suggest using Rust over either

Unless you don’t know programming then C#

[spare quartz]

they're 13 so

and their only experience is scratch

[timid quartz]

Ok C#

Better Java

[spare quartz]

no

kotlin

[timid quartz]

C#

CLR >>

[spare quartz]

okay but they expressed interest in making phone apps

also it should be noted

[spare quartz]

this is not baychao 🚨

this person is 13 and the real bayachao is 25

[timid quartz]

Uhhh Swift then, they probably have an iPhone

[spare quartz]

nope

hey have an android phone from 2012

[timid quartz]

I figured, they have the same role color as you AND the new member icon

[spare quartz]

well

bayachao USED to be in the server at some point

[timid quartz]

Can’t blame her for leaving

Server’s probably more degen than her

[spare quartz]

what does that even mean 😭

the server has rules against nsfw, unlike bayachaos original makemon server

she IS the ultimate form of degen

[timid quartz]

Guess I should start on Kotlin IRC

Hmmm what to name it

[spare quartz]

irc

[timid quartz]

Lame name

[spare quartz]

no

[timid quartz]

Maybe if I put it under BEG it would be “kotlin_irc_server” or something

[spare quartz]

piaz,,

[timid quartz]

But idk if this is going under BEG

@spare quartz you should deprecate Telegram next because Telegram sucks

[spare quartz]

no

you should deprecate pizza next

im hungry

[timid quartz]

https://soatok.blog/2024/05/14/its-time-for-furries-to-stop-using-telegram/

[spare quartz]

not a furry

not applciable to me

also i do not care about cryptography and signals is just as bad

[timid quartz]

Ok but the fact that the guy is a furry and it’s a tech article makes their opinion objectively true

Furry cybersecurity hobbyists >>> government-trained professionals

[spare quartz]

okay but

polticial figures inviting journalists to war plan chat >>> furries

[timid quartz]

REAL

it happened again I think

[spare quartz]

😭

[spare quartz]

yuck

id never trust a guy who cant even make his own website

[timid quartz]

https://apnews.com/article/hegseth-signal-chat-houthis-attack-8dbf9dd6c711796438a5c1c84831c40b

German army uses matrix

[spare quartz]

every military probably uses signal

but only for unclassified things

its so easy to make an end to end encrpyted chat i just realized

[timid quartz]

do it yourself then

oops

I forgot to change this

guess we gotta go bald

[spare quartz]

sure

[spare quartz]

at the end of the day its really just

[timid quartz]

hmm name name name name....

[spare quartz]

computer A generates keypair
computer A sends public key to computer B
computer B generates keypair
computer B sends public key to computer A

chat is end to end encrypted

[timid quartz]

ok but that doesn't have forward secrecy

[spare quartz]

that depends on the key/cipher used

[timid quartz]

kirc? cirkle? crinkle? k...

[spare quartz]

not the protocol

[timid quartz]

maybe kirk instead of kirc

[spare quartz]

you are so close to making that name very nsfw i hope you know that

this is why i hate naming things

[timid quartz]

what

[spare quartz]

nothing.

[timid quartz]

get your mind out of the gutter

[spare quartz]

ばやちゃおばやちゃおばやちゃおばやちゃおばやちゃお

[timid quartz]

hmm

maybe...

circuit

[spare quartz]

maybe bayachao!

[timid quartz]

irc -> relay

-> circuit

has a "k" sound

[spare quartz]

how do you pronounce circuit

sir kit or sir cut

[timid quartz]

I think sir kit

yeah

[spare quartz]

ばやちゃお

[timid quartz]

temmie

[spare quartz]

ACKKKKK

HOW DOES WATER GIVE ME A BRAINFREEZE

[timid quartz]

LMAO

because all you drink is SODA

[spare quartz]

i should drink more soda..

[timid quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/soda-gif-8026056502744469335

[spare quartz]

#version 330 core
layout (location = 0) in vec3 aPos;
layout (location = 1) in vec3 aNormal;

out vec3 FragPos;
out vec3 Normal;

uniform mat4 model;
uniform mat4 view;
uniform mat4 projection;

void main()
{
    FragPos = vec3(model * vec4(aPos, 1.0));
    Normal = mat3(transpose(inverse(model))) * aNormal;  
    
    gl_Position = projection * view * vec4(FragPos, 1.0);
}

#version 330 core
out vec4 FragColor;

in vec3 Normal;  
in vec3 FragPos;  
  
uniform vec3 lightPos; 
uniform vec3 viewPos; 
uniform vec3 lightColor;
uniform vec3 objectColor;

void main()
{
    // ambient
    float ambientStrength = 0.1;
    vec3 ambient = ambientStrength * lightColor;
      
    // diffuse 
    vec3 norm = normalize(Normal);
    vec3 lightDir = normalize(lightPos - FragPos);
    float diff = max(dot(norm, lightDir), 0.0);
    vec3 diffuse = diff * lightColor;
    
    // specular
    float specularStrength = 0.5;
    vec3 viewDir = normalize(viewPos - FragPos);
    vec3 reflectDir = reflect(-lightDir, norm);  
    float spec = pow(max(dot(viewDir, reflectDir), 0.0), 32);
    vec3 specular = specularStrength * spec * lightColor;  
        
    vec3 result = (ambient + diffuse + specular) * objectColor;
    FragColor = vec4(result, 1.0);
} 

please hold this for m

[timid quartz]

no

[spare quartz]

or rust gets removed..

[timid quartz]

whag

you dont have the power

[spare quartz]

f4wfkms

[timid quartz]

yes im aware of the "advanced" hiragana

[spare quartz]

no

[timid quartz]

おきゃくさま

[spare quartz]

the worst part about shader development

[timid quartz]

いらしゃいませ

[spare quartz]

the only debugging you have is looking

[timid quartz]

lmao

👁️

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im blind!!!

[timid quartz]

cause you dont get enough sunlight

[spare quartz]

actually

aisde from the genetic part

i used to look at the sun as a child 😭

too much sun..

[timid quartz]

LOL

honestly same

I did stare at the sun a little

[spare quartz]

the UV went past your eyes and into your brain

this caused you to become a rust dev

💔

[timid quartz]

yep

but unlike you my brain wasn't entirely fried

[spare quartz]

WHAT

[timid quartz]

if it was I'd be full time JVM and Ada dev

[spare quartz]

okay but youd also be a baychao fan

[timid quartz]

yes even worse

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no!

[timid quartz]

ugh JB is trying so hard to push this AI stuff

[spare quartz]

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FixupX · Apr 20, 2025, 10:34 AM

[timid quartz]

hm atp

what file format do kotlin "people" use to store config

like toml is popular for rust

[spare quartz]

any

[timid quartz]

but like

[spare quartz]

i use command line

[timid quartz]

ok fair enough

im guessing you made your own logging lib too

[spare quartz]

we found it was better to use javas integrated one

[timid quartz]

"we" (you)

[spare quartz]

yes

[timid quartz]

didn't know java had an integrated one

[spare quartz]

https://github.com/Bread-Experts-Group/bread_server_lib/tree/main/src/main/kotlin

[timid quartz]

or is that like l4j

java.util.logging.Logger

now here's the logger

also I wonder

how often do you use classes in Kotlin code

[spare quartz]

whenever i feel like it

[timid quartz]

bruh

[spare quartz]

what

[timid quartz]

"whenever I feel like it"

I just noticed a lot of your stuff isn't contained in classes

[spare quartz]

if you want a serious answer i only do it when i feel like ill be dealing with some object carrying data or state

[timid quartz]

Java code be like org.beg.ServerBuilder

[spare quartz]

otherwise i just use procedures in global package scope like ada <3

[timid quartz]

ServerBuilderConfigurationFactory

need longer name

ServerBuilderConfigurationFactorySingletonModel

java code be like

rust code be like Arc<Mutex<Box<impl ServerConfiguration + Send + Sync>>>

[timid quartz]

fearless concurrency™️

[spare quartz]

rust users are like marketers except they wont shut up and get no money from it

[timid quartz]

it's just so good

you gotta spread the word

[spare quartz]

yeah spread the word about ada kotlin and bayachao

you're right

[timid quartz]

noe

spread the word about rust

[spare quartz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust

[timid quartz]

❤️

[spare quartz]

🤢

[timid quartz]

kotlin isn't even real

and ada was a historical figure not a programming language

[spare quartz]

rust is literally an iron oxide

[timid quartz]

yep

rust is real

and exists

[spare quartz]

nah

you're delusional

[timid quartz]

what even is a "kotlin" huh

[spare quartz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotlin,_Greater_Poland_Voivodeship

[timid quartz]

lame

Poland based tho

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/kotlin-my-beloved-kotlin-my-beloved-gif-18373794183844739852

https://tenor.com/view/java-jvm-class-java-class-obfuscated-gif-2249398631376791819

[timid quartz]

JVM moment

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-computer-meme-gif-22925980

[timid quartz]

wait I wonder

if there's a log level flag...

[spare quartz]

there is

[timid quartz]

how does anything before that (eg logging that you're getting args)

work

how does that work

[spare quartz]

?

[timid quartz]

like

fun main(args: List<String>) {
  val logger = whatever  // initialize logger
  logger.finer("Parsing args...")
  args.forEach {
    // ...
    if $it == "--log-level" { /* ... */ }
  }
  // ...
}

how does the logger.finer() call even do anything

before you actually get the desired log level

[spare quartz]

the jvm has a logger configuration file

[timid quartz]

oh huh really

[spare quartz]

yeah

https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/23/core/java-logging-overview.html

newer page

[timid quartz]

oh so you don't actually uh

have a cli flag

to modify logging?

[spare quartz]

we can

but im lazy

[timid quartz]

doesn't make sense to if you have a logging config file

[timid quartz]

oh

so that's only for default config

you don't do that per-project

[spare quartz]

scary

[spare quartz]

このコンピュータシステムはがんを含むて加州に知られている

[timid quartz]

oh interesting

you force a strict -+[a-zA-Z]+=.+ regex for your arguments

[spare quartz]

yes

primarily cause its simple and hard to confuse

[timid quartz]

fair

[spare quartz]

then its fed into a conversion function and added to either singleArgs or multipleArgs

-alpha=53 will become Int(53) with conv=::stringToInt, which also does -alpha=0x35 or -alpha=0b110101

[timid quartz]

-{1,2}[a-zA-Z]+=[^\n ]*

ok this is a more correct regex

but I think both that and yours would technically match a ---arg

[spare quartz]

the system would read that as an argument of name "--arg"

[timid quartz]

yes

[spare quartz]

wrong but

most servers would crash with that argument though since its strict on the names

[timid quartz]

ugh

[spare quartz]

connective form of verbs... interestnig..

[timid quartz]

no mechanism to indicate that a function can throw an exception...

[timid quartz]

て form?

[spare quartz]

yes im trying to learn how to use inflections more appropriately

i know た is for past tense and て connects

[timid quartz]

て can also be used as a commanding/request form

おきて = "Wake up!"
おきてください = "Wake up (but polite)"

typed ざ not さ lol

[timid quartz]

（ATPの人生）今日、おきて、あさごはんをたべて、9時間コードをして、ばやちゃおのどうがをみて、ねた

[spare quartz]

プログラミング言語だらけ蟻 (Rust)

[timid quartz]

ant???

programming language something ant

[spare quartz]

programming language full of ants

[timid quartz]

smh

[timid quartz]

how much of this can you read im curious

[spare quartz]

atp's life
today,
i got up,
ate (something, meal, rice??),
programmed for 9 hours,
saw a bayachao video,
<i dont know the ending>

of course with assistance from jisho

[timid quartz]

(ATP's life) Today, I got up, ate breakfast, programmed for 9 hours, watched bayachao videos, and slept

[spare quartz]

ohh

[timid quartz]

though て form kinda implies that each thing happened in that exact order

so

be aware of that nuance

[spare quartz]

how does ねた imply sleeping?

i assume it involves something with context

[timid quartz]

or like

went to sleep

idk

it's 寝る

寝た is past tense

[spare quartz]

oh and the kanji 寝 is ね

[timid quartz]

yes

I just didn't want to use that kanji since you probably didn't know it

[timid quartz]

@Throws will have to suffice

[spare quartz]

ジャック・ブラックの マインクラフト映画は「mid」

[timid quartz]

Rust Result<T, E> >>>

hm

[spare quartz]

でも, ご覧になない

"didn't" is past tense so

た and ない ??

[timid quartz]

た and ない ah yes

なかった

[spare quartz]

our CPU has something like that

[timid quartz]

struct ArgumentVal {
  String(String),
  Integer(i32),
  Custom(MyEnum),
}

hmm how could I translate this to Kotlin

[spare quartz]

it used to take in two lambdas for memory access or register access definitions but that was simplified to this

[timid quartz]

nice

[spare quartz]

enum

[timid quartz]

ok but

kotlin enum is

enum class Whatever(val thing: OneType)

[spare quartz]

use an enum and sealed class

[timid quartz]

whag

[spare quartz]

enum class A {
  STRING,
  INT,
  WHATEVER
}

sealed class ACarrier(val type: A)
class ACarrierString(val datum: String) : ACarrier(A.STRING)

or just

class Carrier<T>(val datum: T)

whichever you deem better

[timid quartz]

this is ungrammatical btw but I'm assuming you wanted to say "didn't see" so
ご覧にならかった (fixing what you said exactly but this is "honorific" language and you'd never use this verb for yourself, it's also)
見なかった (what you'd actually use)

[spare quartz]

grammar schrammer

[timid quartz]

such a complex way to do it

[spare quartz]

i dont know exactly what you're trying to do

thats just what i use for primarily discerning mesasge types in wire protocols

[timid quartz]

parsing arguments

so like

"--address" has string value
"--port" has numerical value
"--log-level" needs to have a valid log level

[spare quartz]

this is what we do for that

[timid quartz]

mm ok

interesting

[spare quartz]

ughuggh

where didi put my second drawing tblet

[timid quartz]

interesting

enum class ArgumentKind {
    LISTEN_IP, LISTEN_PORT, LOG_LEVEL, DISABLE_TLS, REALLY_DISABLE_TLS,
}
// ...
// fun parseArguments(args: Array<String>)
ArgumentKind.valueOf(argName.uppercase())

that's valid

the valueOf thing at the bottom

[spare quartz]

yeah but itll throw an error if a name doesnt match

[timid quartz]

yknow im gonna make this a lot less abstract

it doesnt need to be extensible

ugh stupid stupid

// whatever can't be reassigned even if
// you do
// var thing = Test()
data class Test(val whatever: String)

[spare quartz]

yes

var thing = ... just makes the local variable "thing" itself variable

it doesnt do anything to the value contained

[timid quartz]

// whatever can be reassigned so long as you have
// let mut thing = Test { whatever: "init value".into() }
struct Test {
  whatever: String,
}

[timid quartz]

I kinda prefer the way rust does it ngl

[spare quartz]

if you wanted it that way you can just make everything a var

[timid quartz]

ik

ughhhh and I hatehatehate

[spare quartz]

WinRing0

[timid quartz]

that

@Throws

isnt baked into the lang

like .toInt() can throw an exception but there's nothing indicating that except a doc

you just have to know

[spare quartz]

if it happens it happens

im apathetic to it most of the time

[timid quartz]

still

it's nice to know

exactly

when things can error

because for rust, ::<T>parse() returns a Result<T, E>

that you HAVE to handle

[spare quartz]

@Throws is also just another documentation tool if you wanna be blunt

due to how the JVM works there is no way to be certain when or where an exception will be thrown

[timid quartz]

and it sucks, Java really should have used a Result type to encode error semantics

[spare quartz]

but you still wouldn't have certainty

[timid quartz]

bad design

And by the nature of it, if you implement one yourself, the abstraction isn't zero cost

[spare quartz]

welcome to VMs

[timid quartz]

ugh

this is why I like Rust

[spare quartz]

cause you're weirrrdd!

the way i have it in my planned lang is kinda like what java is doing

except that there is no unchecked exceptions everything must be checked

[timid quartz]

it's just objectively better to have

fn my_faulty_fn() -> Result<ResultType, ErrorType> { }

[timid quartz]

this is also ok because it forces the programmer to reckon with it

to know about it and to reckon with it*

[spare quartz]

i just know itll cause some form of issue later down the line though

[timid quartz]

nah

[spare quartz]

well like exactly how far down does the exception tree go

if you're doing something like writing to a stream, are you also supposed to handle SIGKILL

[timid quartz]

hmm

only if all of the functions along the way annotate that they can throw that error

[spare quartz]

but a SIGKILL can happen anywhere

ill probably just have a breadcrumb exception backing that applies to everything in the crumb

[timid quartz]

so maybe for those kinds of things, then those don't get annotated

[spare quartz]

orr orr orrr

i could pull an x86

and implement interrupts in my language

that would be cool..

[timid quartz]

what you'd probably want to do is this

int lowLevelFunction() throws SomeException { }

int highLevelFunction() throws AnotherException {
  try {
    lowLevelFunction()
  } catch (e: SomeException) {
    // do something to map from
    // SomeException -> AnotherException
  }
}

[timid quartz]

that would be cool I agree

[spare quartz]

CALL writeToStream

• StreamClosedError: close stream procedure
• Otherwise: program interrupt handler

CALL program interrupt handler

• StreamIsActuallyFine: return to caller
• Otherwise: log reason and exit process

and the same process for signals...

[timid quartz]

or like if errorKind is SystemGenerated then goto Program::InterruptHandler

[spare quartz]

yeah

[timid quartz]

default handler is just log and exit

for critical stuff

[spare quartz]

ah

might as well get started on building an interpreter for it

i need to cleanup my notepad

[timid quartz]

java logger doesn't use color does it

sad

color logging is nice

[spare quartz]

you can overwrite the default logging handler to add your own color

we have a moderately complex color logger for log4j

with the associated ANSI handler

[spare quartz]

the most complex part here is the exception handler

[timid quartz]

log4j moment

what's better about log4j

[spare quartz]

minecraft forces us to use log4j

there isnt any other reason personally

[timid quartz]

oh gg

[timid quartz]

gg it also defaults to logging to stderr

instead of stdout

[spare quartz]

well generally logging isnt meant to be seen by the user

stdout is also used as program output for other programs to inteface with

[timid quartz]

"java knows best"

[spare quartz]

it does!

[timid quartz]

nah

[spare quartz]

rust knows least

bayachao <33333333

[timid quartz]

rust knows all

[spare quartz]

if rust had bayachao in it id use it

[timid quartz]

ill publish a crate called bayachao

[spare quartz]

it must get in the standardlib

[timid quartz]

bruh

[spare quartz]

those are the rules

you know what

whenever i make my first compiler compiler for win32

im gonna sneak in bayachao in a header

[spare quartz]

so n na ni

hm

just remembered i cant actually write my programming language

[timid quartz]

y not

[spare quartz]

its binary

[timid quartz]

ok...and?

oh well

you can't WRITE it write it

not like you can't develop it

[spare quartz]

well

i guess i can make a human interchange format before hand

[timid quartz]

damnit gradle

why can't you find the main class if I ./gradlew run

[spare quartz]

did you use the application plugin

ands et a maincalss

[timid quartz]

yes

plugins {
    kotlin("jvm") version "2.1.20"
    application
}
kotlin {
    jvmToolchain(21)
}

group = "xyz.aerasto"
version = "1.0-SNAPSHOT"

application {
    mainClass = "xyz.aerasto.CircuitServerMain"
}

[spare quartz]

run it as a distrigbution

[spare quartz]

or through your ide

[timid quartz]

as a whag

ugh I dont wanna run it in intellij

[spare quartz]

im bleeding i dont knwo

whgy

[timid quartz]

because I added color to the logging

but intellij makes stderr red

[spare quartz]

rthen redirect stderr to stdout

[timid quartz]

ugh

[spare quartz]

System.setErr(System.out)

[timid quartz]

oh

it's CircuitServerMainKt

stupid

and...still errors

ok

stupid java packages

stupid idiot

stupid

hate java packages

@spare quartz this thing sucks, rust is better

[spare quartz]

hold on im writing this

[timid quartz]

anyways I wonder if I can make intellij use zgc

the answer is yes

still 500mb

[spare quartz]

ZGC is primarily for low latency

[timid quartz]

I wonder if it'll-

yes

improve the reaction times

[spare quartz]

it will most likely achieve worse throughput than G1GC

[timid quartz]

what really

deaht

[spare quartz]

yes

hm

[timid quartz]

so I should use G1GC for intellij?

[spare quartz]

thats the default for every jvm application

[timid quartz]

yes but

I should use it

[spare quartz]

if you find zgc is better go for it

[timid quartz]

and not ZGC

ok

[spare quartz]

its all about testing

hm

return values..

also gotta figure out how i want to syscall/read registers in this language

[timid quartz]

hm

the java logger is a singleton isn't it

[spare quartz]

?

[timid quartz]

like if I call Logger.getLogger("name")

in two different spots

it gets the same logger

[spare quartz]

most likely not

[timid quartz]

oh? really

[spare quartz]

check the JDK

[timid quartz]

[spare quartz]

welcome to Ada

Note: The LogManager may only retain a weak reference to the newly created Logger. It is important to understand that a previously created Logger with the given name may be garbage collected at any time if there is no strong reference to the Logger. In particular, this means that two back-to-back calls like getLogger("MyLogger").log(...) may use different Logger objects named "MyLogger" if there is no strong reference to the Logger named "MyLogger" elsewhere in the program.

[timid quartz]

ah that makes sense

well

the main method that calls the server loop should retain a reference to it

since it'll be in the call stack

or I could uh

make it a global

[spare quartz]

okay

iiiiiii

might do something cursed

[timid quartz]

yeah if I just uh

do that

that works

[timid quartz]

doing a shared global like that is cursed

but

...idk

it works

logger mutex :3

[spare quartz]

wdym by that

[timid quartz]

wdym

[spare quartz]

logger mutex

[timid quartz]

it's a shared global so

probably should have a mutex

[spare quartz]

you do not need thread safety on loggers

[timid quartz]

:33

[spare quartz]

all operations on them are thread safe

okay lets see

what would be the best way to repersent an instruction in this format..

there

RAW
  INSTRUCTION L"Sytem Call"
    WITH L"Index" AS 4

syscall 0x4

[timid quartz]

how about uh

asm!("int3 args")

:3

[spare quartz]

not applicable to this language

this is bascially just a direct keyword -> binary file

at the top there will definitions like L"DATATYPE" 0x83

[timid quartz]

L"DATATYPE"

putting the L

in your Lang

[timid quartz]

where semicolons

[spare quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1024009607657558036/1082780066154557560/caption-23-1.gif

[spare quartz]

dont need any

[timid quartz]

yeah you do

[spare quartz]

i dont

[timid quartz]

yuh uh

[spare quartz]

this is a direct binary translation, so anything delimited by any form of whitespace is good enough

[spare quartz]

also this is objectively worse than my language

[timid quartz]

nah

we love rust macros

[spare quartz]

int3 might not exist where you're compiling

INSTRUCTION L"System Call" can be defined for any architecture in mine

[timid quartz]

why dont you use uh

IntelliJ MPS for this

seems close enough to a DSL

[spare quartz]

whats an mps

[timid quartz]

https://www.jetbrains.com/mps/

[spare quartz]

oh

dont need it

bread experts group human interchangable binary format

the structure of the actual contents are arbitrary and replaced by a token -> byte sequence after

[timid quartz]

acronym sounds like the damn apple image format

HEIF

[spare quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/when-that-cold-brew-hits-gif-23736251

[timid quartz]

https://github.com/FiloSottile/age

[pastel tinsel]

stupid ass format

I always have to convert my shit off

[timid quartz]

hi ben

[pastel tinsel]

hi

[timid quartz]

has that guardsman fix been tested at all

to make sure it works

[pastel tinsel]

though there is a setting to not do heif

[pastel tinsel]

it is on staging

I haven't tested it lmfao

[timid quartz]

gg

really just gotta make sure that it didn't break verification

[rustic vine]

gg

[pastel tinsel]

it is prob fine

[spare quartz]

bg

[rustic vine]

I saw someone use 1 commit and keep amending it and force pushing today

[pastel tinsel]

just tried the update command

I am gonna retest anyways

[rustic vine]

I think they were being funny

I hope so at least

[timid quartz]

oh I never did log into proxmox