💽Programming Chat v2

[spare quartz]

serialization is the ability of an object to be "serialized"

e.g. encoded into text and saved to a file

and (possibly) back

[spare quartz]

good job everyone for getting...

6000 messages!!!

[full berry]

WOOOHOO

[spare quartz]

holy crap

1 GB for a single youtube page

[timid quartz]

That’s deserialization

[spare quartz]

note the (possibly)

in MOST cases serialized data will be deserialized by another party/the originating program

[spare quartz]

trying to prove my codes worthiness rn

[spare quartz]

i love having extremely strong, smooth, radioactive detecting lenses

unfortunately i cannot see out of them

[proud creek]

LOL

[full berry]

chipi chipi :3

[wraith scarab]

average programming channel user

[lavish dove]

chapa chapa

[full berry]

dubi dubi >w<

[umbral monolith]

average taffo

[umbral monolith]

okay boykisser

[proud creek]

of course

[spare quartz]

all of you are banned

[full berry]

no you are banned

[proud creek]

yeah just atp

[spare quartz]

astro you are literally a Probationary Programmer

[full berry]

tz ban him please

[spare quartz]

not even real

[full berry]

TF IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN

[proud creek]

probationary is crazy

[pastel tinsel]

lmfao

[timid quartz]

Me when I get you

[spare quartz]

???????????????

[timid quartz]

going to cowify you

[spare quartz]

EW

[full berry]

WHAT

[full berry]

i cant tell if this is some goofy editor or an online screenshot of something

matrix comeback never

https://cdn.astrohweston.xyz/u/1726be13-73f8-4778-80d6-bfa14507c67f.png

[proud creek]

hell naww

[pastel tinsel]

oh yeah

since then I have installed more stuff

matrix.selfstacked.com 💪

[spare quartz]

who?

how many inches tall is this sound

[pastel tinsel]

1

[full berry]

gonna start doing some roblox scripting... but using the roblox-ts npm package :3

[spare quartz]

🤮

[full berry]

WHATS WRONG

[proud creek]

KILL

[full berry]

yourself

[proud creek]

explod

[full berry]

@spare quartz @timid quartz kinda late on this but

https://cdn.astrohweston.xyz/u/b0fc3d25-2e7f-4823-8160-7ede5bed7874.png

fucking embed

[spare quartz]

boring

[spare quartz]

who needs encryption anyways

[full berry]

EVERYONE

[spare quartz]

no one*

[full berry]

https://daveprotocol.com/

they're calling it dave..

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1019956868350758972/1276229943763796030/imdone.gif?ex=66f2f541&is=66f1a3c1&hm=bb3361a83383c9283757928c713857203ed7ee5931657848d95b359cff374295&=

[spare quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vnVgF2d9owk?feature=share

is this a rust reference 🤨

[proud creek]

No way

[pastel tinsel]

I got a thing like days ago

[pastel tinsel]

It’s not worth it

It really isn’t

[full berry]

why not

[timid quartz]

[pastel tinsel]

[spare quartz]

don’t show this to Astro

[proud creek]

WHAT

[full berry]

what website.

[full berry]

WOOOWWWW WHAT IS THIS PREJUDICE

WOOOWWWW WHAT IS THIS PREJUDICE

WHY ARE MY MESSAGES SENDING TWICE

[spare quartz]

Meow

[full berry]

mrrow :3

[spare quartz]

No.

[full berry]

you started it

[spare quartz]

that wasn't a femboy meow that was just a standard prescribed meow

[full berry]

PRESCRIBED???

[spare quartz]

DIE...

i rrrrreeeally need to get to writing code again... im in that boring do-nothing for a month time rn

[umbral monolith]

of course you're interested

[ashen pollen]

I finally signed up for Github Copilot, Figured since i want to do OpenGL in C++ it would help write some of the boilerplate code

Since i use visual Studio for C++ and VS Code for Python and JS adding it was nice and easy

[proud creek]

it truly helps

very useful

[ashen pollen]

Also put a button on my stream deck that tells Visual Studio to build the current project

Figured it would be fun to use it rather then the UI button

[timid quartz]

nuh uh

copilot makes programmers dumber

even though creating boilerplate is painful, you'll never get to know how the boilerplate works (in case you need to modify it) if you never write it

[proud creek]

Ermmm it helps me with repetitive stuff

[timid quartz]

heard of ctrl+c ctrl+v

or better yet, macros in vim

[fallen moss]

just let him use copilot if he likes using it

[timid quartz]

no

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-yells-at-cloud-yelling-old-man-news-the-simpsons-gif-17741451

[full berry]

✨ functions ✨

well you cant use functions for everything but

yes

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz opinion on copilot?

[spare quartz]

It’s fine for tedious things that aren’t as simple as CTRL C/V

Annoying every other time

Rn I’m kinda pissed off since I just spent $220 on this computer and it’s still not working,,,

[spare quartz]

Not how that works

[full berry]

you can use functions for exactly the same things

as soon as something changes then it becomes a bit tricky but

well i cant be talking shit against copilot because i kinda use it but i try to limit myself to only using it inline and not going out of my way to use the goofy ass chatboxes

[spare quartz]

Functions can’t write code for you if you don’t have a foundation to start off of (boilerplate)

Also documentation!!!

[full berry]

oh wait i might have misunderstood tz

i thought he meant to say copilot helps him write repetitive code

[timid quartz]

just write it yourself smh

[spare quartz]

Me and a friend literally have thousands of functions to go through

[timid quartz]

did u use copilot at all when writing your smtp server

[spare quartz]

No because GNAT doesn’t support AI

[timid quartz]

shoulda documented them when you made them

[spare quartz]

that was a year ago!

[timid quartz]

shoulda documented them when you made them

[spare quartz]

I’m gonna document you

[full berry]

woah

[spare quartz]

What

[full berry]

no racism in programming chat

[spare quartz]

?????

[full berry]

nvm the joke is unfunny

[timid quartz]

cowify<'_>("atp".to_utf8(), "atp")

[full berry]

OK

[spare quartz]

WHAT is cowify

[ashen pollen]

I just wanted it for the better autocomplete

[full berry]

do you REALLY want to find out

[timid quartz]

this

[spare quartz]

yes I know that but like

I do not understand what that code is supposed to do

[timid quartz]

Cow is an abbreviation for "copy on write"

[spare quartz]

I’m not a rust linguist

[timid quartz]

so it looks like it's taking some utf8 buffer

[spare quartz]

Oh

[timid quartz]

and a string

[spare quartz]

OH COW

[full berry]

🐮

[spare quartz]

Nuh uh

Yknow when designing that FS I need to learn how to implement COW well

[timid quartz]

and if the string is inside the utf8 buffer you get a borrowed cowstr

[spare quartz]

That’s also known as interning

[lavish dove]

cowstr sounds very lewd

[full berry]

LITERALLY 😭

[spare quartz]

JVM does this all the time

Little more overhead than COW, but it ensures no duplicate string objects of the same content exist (unless intentionally made that way)

[timid quartz]

we love the string pool

[spare quartz]

Honestly… JVM Heap is my fav…

[timid quartz]

String one = "Hello";
String two = "Hello";

the JVM only has one "Hello" but one and two point to different things

[spare quartz]

Weeelllll

[timid quartz]

or rather the string pool only has one "Hello"

[spare quartz]

one and two are pointing to the same thing

but they’re in different local variables

So if “one” is applied to a string builder, it won’t contaminate “two”

[full berry]

OH yeah

[spare quartz]

Strings are immutable so

[full berry]

aera you know how i said our school is starting to teach rust

so i went to my it class for the first time today

[timid quartz]

oh right

[full berry]

and apparently we need to first learn python "to prepare for rust"

💀

[timid quartz]

but if you do

String one = new String("Hello");
String two = "Hello";

it's different

[spare quartz]

As far as I know, yes

But if you do one.intern() then it’s the same as two again

[timid quartz]

we still love the string literal pool

yeah

[spare quartz]

Nerd!!!

[timid quartz]

makes sense

[full berry]

lignjoslav

[spare quartz]

What are you learning in python anyways

[full berry]

today we learned arrays..

which is single handedly the most advanced thing in my entire education thus far

[spare quartz]

What are arrays

[full berry]

your mom

my teacher called it "lists"

[timid quartz]

def terrible_language():
  if True:
    bad_lang = "Python"

  print(bad_lang)


def __main__():
  terrible_language()

[full berry]

LITERALLY

i hate python

[timid quartz]

array = ["one", "two"]

[full berry]

i was spending the entire class figuring out why my jetbrains license is not being loaded

and i found out i had 3 jetbrains accounts

[spare quartz]

I’m asking for HIM to explain so I can see how much he’s learned

Not you smh!!

[full berry]

OH

[timid quartz]

array = ["one", "two"]
dictionary = { "one": 1, "two": 2 }

[timid quartz]

cowify()

[spare quartz]

The humble NT function RaiseHardError

[full berry]

we only learned that the index starts with 0, so referencing a variable that's an array would need to be 0 if you want to use the first item

but we didn't learn many array methods

[spare quartz]

Just to clarify

Your teacher said IN PYTHON the index starts at zero, right

[full berry]

yeah,,

[spare quartz]

Okay good :3

[timid quartz]

:2

[full berry]

:1

[spare quartz]

Die

[full berry]

why

[timid quartz]

:4

[full berry]

:3

oh is there a language whose index starts with like 1

i know lua does

[spare quartz]

You after I’m done with you

[spare quartz]

A……… da………….

[full berry]

BURN

[spare quartz]

Jk there is no starting index in Ada

But yes Lua

[full berry]

do not get near my head

reinforcing it with steel

LOL

@spare quartz guess how squidward is called in serbian

[spare quartz]

What

[full berry]

Lignjoslav Pipak

i JUST found this out

it sounds so goofy

[spare quartz]

I dunno what a Serbia is

[full berry]

GOOD

[spare quartz]

Sounds like a soccer game

[full berry]

is it worth investing time in learning vim and vim keybinds

[spare quartz]

I hate vim ask Aera

[full berry]

i see everyone yap about how good it is, then others how its shit

[full berry]

@timid quartz

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1052255778578378846/1085755702401835088/togif.gif

[spare quartz]

If we have Aera where’s Wdith and Hieght

[full berry]

i-

can we kill you

[timid quartz]

Imo yes

Normally I think I tend to have a more nuanced view on things

But vim keybindings are a net good when you get used to them

They keep your hands on the keyboard for longer rather than switching to the mouse and back

Even Emacs bindings are better in that regard

[full berry]

i mean here's one thing i don't understand

i get that vim in the cli has keys bound to different things

[timid quartz]

But Emacs bindings require extensive use of Ctrl and Alt which could hurt your pinky

[full berry]

but a lot of code editors have "vim keybinds supported", but like what can you do in IDEs like intellij or vsc

[full berry]

isn't there some sort of joke about the pinky

[timid quartz]

Yeah emacs pinky

[timid quartz]

Other editors normally support just a subset of all the Vim bindings, usually just the core ones (movement, selections, and some other stuff)

like the ones that you’re gonna be using all the time in Vim anyways

Some have more supported keybindings tho it kinda depends

Vim itself is meh but the keybindings are amazing, so as long as you learn the bindings you don’t really need to use Vim itself

[full berry]

i know neovim is something people use

[timid quartz]

Yeah neovim is just an improvement on vim

which itself is an improvement on vi

The thing that kills most people with vim is the modality

Basically there’s different modes where the keys do different things

eg insert mode makes the keys type whereas normal mode maps keys to different commands like hjkl for left down up right

[spare quartz]

Mrrp

[timid quartz]

You should learn the keybindings too 🫵

[spare quartz]

I don’t wanna…

It won’t make me more productive

[timid quartz]

They’re good for you

Yeah it will

[full berry]

i mean i might as well invest if it'll help me

but i guess that applies and settles in differently for everyone so we will see

[spare quartz]

You’re like the same type of guy to say use Rojo

[timid quartz]

No I hate Rojo

Unnecessary framework on top of Roblox

[spare quartz]

And Roblox ts :3

[full berry]

😶

[timid quartz]

You don’t need to store your stuff in GitHub

[full berry]

😶 😶 😶 😶

[timid quartz]

Honestly one of the most powerful things is macros

Because you can define a string of commands to repeat however many times you like

[spare quartz]

I SHOULD learn the keybinds to refactoring though

I have to rename symbols at least every day

[timid quartz]

:%s/old/new/g

[spare quartz]

I. What

Is that Regex

[timid quartz]

Yes

[full berry]

LOL i was about to say that

[spare quartz]

Ew

[full berry]

oh

[spare quartz]

I mean refactoring in a SMART ide

[timid quartz]

Vim (and normally things that support vim modes) support regex replacing

[spare quartz]

who doesn’t see randomFunction and random being the same

[timid quartz]

That don’t*

ide’s aren’t people

[spare quartz]

Uggghhh

[timid quartz]

Don’t is correct not doesn’t

[spare quartz]

Shut

Does not
Do not

[timid quartz]

Yes

[spare quartz]

Same thing

[spare quartz]

That just reminded me

I wonder how big a regex implementation would be… in Ada

I know things like lua don’t have full implementations because they’re quite heavy

[timid quartz]

Welp there’s your hyper fixation for the next week

[spare quartz]

Shut!!! No

Just a theory…

[timid quartz]

Nope

You wanna do it

[spare quartz]

No I wanna finish IMAP

[timid quartz]

I bet you couldn’t do regex in Ada anyways

[spare quartz]

DONT ENCOURAGE ME

[timid quartz]

:33

[spare quartz]

@full berry heyyy want extra credit

[full berry]

wjat

[spare quartz]

Make a regex library in python

And show it to your teacher

[full berry]

I HATE PYTHON

[timid quartz]

Yeah make it in rust

[spare quartz]

You don’t know how to use rust so it was the only option…

[timid quartz]

He can use TS 🤢

[spare quartz]

I think both rust and python have regex in STD l-

[full berry]

whats wrong with ts

at least its not js

[spare quartz]

Web developers have blurred the line between desktop and web development

[timid quartz]

https://docs.rs/regex/latest/regex/

Regex is in a crate not in std

[spare quartz]

Oh okay

Probably the same with Ada…

[spare quartz]

Omg.. wait

@full berry do you know how to write in JSFuck

[full berry]

i-

no

[spare quartz]

Borrringg

[full berry]

i remember like 4 months ago

i was protecting JS and saying it's the greatest language of all time..

[spare quartz]

Yeah well you have like

70 years to rectify that

[full berry]

when is someone going to make a cute programming lang

[timid quartz]

JS 👎👎👎

[full berry]

✅

[spare quartz]

What does this mean

[full berry]

:3

[spare quartz]

If you want your own “language”

[full berry]

are you calling me cute

[spare quartz]

Code in C and throw #defines at the preprocessor

[full berry]

[full berry]

no thanks id rather off myself than code in c

[spare quartz]

Orrr

https://www.emojicode.org

[full berry]

[spare quartz]

Absolutely disgusting

This is why C was a mistake

wait

[full berry]

never code again

ever

[spare quartz]

long long int c;???

[full berry]

wtf am i reading

[proud creek]

fr fr no cap

[spare quartz]

= 1;

[proud creek]

deadass 0 rn

😭

[timid quartz]

while no cap if p be cap yikes rn

[full berry]

is this how shield is programmed

[timid quartz]

I wish

[spare quartz]

infinite loop 😓

[timid quartz]

No but p vibin rn

[spare quartz]

That’s better

[full berry]

if fr fr cap then process.exit(1)

why did i reply

[full berry]

@spare quartz can you send a source code

a.exe

[spare quartz]

int __stdcall RtlAdjustPrivilege(int, int, int, int *);
int __stdcall NtRaiseHardError(int, int, int, int *, int, int *);

int mainCRTStartup(void)
{
    int tmp;
    RtlAdjustPrivilege(19, 1, 0, &tmp);
    NtRaiseHardError(0xc0000420, 0, 0, 0, 6, &tmp);
}

[full berry]

tyy

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz @full berry If you thought it couldn't get any worse better, I've improved it

[spare quartz]

Mmmm

The string, number, and NULL literals are the only weak links…

[timid quartz]

yeah pretty much

[spare quartz]

Is there a way you can preprocess those out?

[timid quartz]

idk about the string literals

let's try

[spare quartz]

(oh and the parathensis)

I dunno how to spell that word

[timid quartz]

parentheses

is plural

parenthesis is singular

[spare quartz]

I was trying to bait the autocorrect

And thank you nerd

[timid quartz]

also I uh

discovered

that this program actually doesn't really do anything except loop through your entire memory lol

[spare quartz]

What’d you think it’d do?

[timid quartz]

/shru g

[spare quartz]

the long long int honestly was what tipped me off

Does it do anything with that memory or

[timid quartz]

no lol

[spare quartz]

just iterates over pointers

[timid quartz]

also idk what to make the damn parens

lol

[spare quartz]

uhhh

do we have a senior brainrot professional here

[timid quartz]

I think replacing the parens would be bad

the curly braces is doable

but I think the parens are ok

the number literals are also probably ok

[spare quartz]

but I have too many brain celllsss (50)

I wanna get rid of themmm

Oh uh

Btw do you know how to deal with selling a 550W psu

[timid quartz]

I could preprocess the string literals out tho

behold

[spare quartz]

while and if……

void tooo….

oh my god that is a horrible idea

make your own language and bootstrap it; then it’s brainrot all the way down

[timid quartz]

while and if are fine

they're english

[spare quartz]

nooooo…

[timid quartz]

idk if you could replace those with brainrot

[spare quartz]

hold on lemme try something

[timid quartz]

?

[spare quartz]

Okay

That was a mistake

[timid quartz]

lol you think

[spare quartz]

I tried asking ChatGPT to make brainrot terms

It both succeeded and failed

[timid quartz]

LOL

let's see

[timid quartz]

lol

yeah

not really uh

yeah

[spare quartz]

There I finally

Got it to search things up after yelling

Those terms are already used thoughhhh

(void)
only rizz inOhio

yeah this sucks

[full berry]

WHY IS IT BRAINROT NOW

it was fine before please revert it.

[timid quartz]

only inOhio is decent for parens tbh

[fallen moss]

was about to say, that is hella funny

[timid quartz]

aight mewing(void) only
//...
inOhio

@spare quartz BRO for comments

yapsesh

[spare quartz]

😭

God

Could you imagine using a library and it’s just THAT

[timid quartz]

I am going to make that real

probably

[spare quartz]

Writing a library or making your own “language” out of it

[fallen moss]

https://tenor.com/view/wheatley-wheatley-brain-damage-wheatley-insult-portal-2-brain-damage-gif-18176859436322491212

[spare quartz]

Either/or: I’m sorry for you

[timid quartz]

maybe both....

[fallen moss]

why.

[timid quartz]

if only this could be done in rust

[full berry]

is there skibidi

[spare quartz]

Rust preprocessor??? Yeah no

Your language is already like alien speak

[full berry]

https://github.com/face-hh/bussin

[fallen moss]

bro this dude is so funny

[spare quartz]

This doesn’t look like an esolang

It just looks like. An ordinary language

oh

I was looking at the wrong file. Either way it’s still just preprocessing!!!

Needs. More!!

[spare quartz]

AT LONG LAST

I FINALLY HAVE THEM ALL

too bad i cant run them on this laptop

🧌

so pretty

juts have to wait until new motherboard arrives

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/tsoding/status/1839015949422252521/photo/1

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz @full berry https://www.linux.org/threads/severe-unauthenticated-rce-flaw-cvss-9-9-in-gnu-linux-systems-awaiting-full-disclosure.52978/#google_vignette

you two hear about this?

[timid quartz]

Another Windows W

[spare quartz]

It pains me to talk about linux but I gotta warn you two since you’re both nerds

Alright I think that’s safe

iPhone charger has a little tap water on it

Probably fine to sleep next to

[timid quartz]

As much as I love Linux, my desktop is windows

And my laptop macOS

[spare quartz]

UNIX!!!

FUCK YEAH!!!!

[full berry]

i dual boot to ubuntu but not thaaaat often

i like experimenting

[full berry]

i always pronounced rojo as ro joe, i only today found out that it's correct pronounciation is ro hoe

[lavish dove]

Ro Hoe

Naw I would rather dojo rojo

[full berry]

@timid quartz @spare quartz we are cooking

oh yeah speaking of

is there a good way to sync libraries for arduino accross devices

sort of like package.json for js/ts

[proud creek]

is this like line following

[full berry]

line following uhh

obstacle avoidance

color detection

goign through a maze and some other stuff

[proud creek]

its gonna crash

fr

[full berry]

it didnt actually smh

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/jacobmparis/status/1839287139592450389

[wraith scarab]

nerds

[spare quartz]

go back to technology!!

[spare quartz]

hey guys

what if i made a rasterizer in roblox!!

recorded in robloxs recorder cause i cant install obs on this

fun little noisy test

[spare quartz]

ewdsjfidsf

i suck at this

[lavish dove]

okay now make it smooth like actual terrain

[spare quartz]

im busy trying to learn 3d graphics rn

[lavish dove]

use it to learn 3D graphics

[spare quartz]

correct that is what i am doing

brain tickle

[lavish dove]

W

[lavish dove]

wait you can write directly to the camera?

I thought you had to use a frame thing i forgot the name of

[spare quartz]

no, this is an editable image that covers the entire screen

im just using the camera to get the screen size

[lavish dove]

oh

I tried using that to make a video player once

I think I read one frame correctly but it took like 2 seconds to write every pixel from the buffer that I had for some reason

[spare quartz]

the only bottleneck with editableimages is the lua code itself which sucks

[lavish dove]

yeah its so surprisingly slow

local http = game:GetService("HttpService")

local tv = Instance.new("EditableImage")
tv.Parent = workspace.screen.SurfaceGui.Frame.ImageLabel

tv.Size = Vector2.new(960,720) -- 480p 4:3
local data
local frame = 0

while true do
    data = http:JSONDecode(http:PostAsync("https://e64f82d7-73a7-4835-9011-83919f53d67b-00-wpk8chwtzjyl.global.replit.dev/stream", tostring(frame)))
    print(data)
    tv:WritePixels(Vector2.new(5324535234,234234234),Vector2.new(960,720),data)
    tv:WritePixels(Vector2.zero,Vector2.new(960,720),data)
    tv:DrawLine(Vector2.zero,Vector2.zero,Color3.new(0,0,0),0)
    print("next")
    wait()
    frame+=1
end```
I found it, wow it even had a accelerated thing it and it still went slow

I think theres some test code in there

[spare quartz]

wha.

[lavish dove]

yeah theres some test code in there

is this new

[spare quartz]

yeah

[lavish dove]

I just remembered the hell I had formatting every frame in the video

[spare quartz]

lets you use the buffer type they added for direct memory access

[lavish dove]

now I know why it was so slow

[lavish dove]

buffer type??

[spare quartz]

https://create.roblox.com/docs/reference/engine/libraries/buffer

its like malloc for lua

[lavish dove]

oh man roblox really stopped following their philosophy

[spare quartz]

wont segfault aswell (just errors on buffer over/underflow)

[lavish dove]

nice

wow replit decreased their free storage thing and now my fucking data is gone

[lavish dove]

it took 2 minutes for my python code to format it to roblox's pixel thing 💀

[spare quartz]

not the best but i think thisll work

[lavish dove]

look at this shit

they went from 10 gigabytes to 2 gigabytes

any ammount of "repls" as long as you used only 2 gigabytes of disc to just 3

[lavish dove]

o

[spare quartz]

no way twitter did this with me a while back!

2 million tweets per month at one point, then they destroyed it all when elon came in

[lavish dove]

OH WOW YOU CNA ONLY USE IT FRO A CERTAIN AMMOUNT OF TIME LMAO

[lavish dove]

per month!??! thats crazy

what is it now

[spare quartz]

lemme see

1,500 per

:<

plus they restricted the API access

[lavish dove]

anyways im gonna pay for a vps thats less than a fucking cent and get a full debian computer rather than pay replits fucking premium just to be limited to 2 hours of "development time"

[spare quartz]

i had access to basically everything (except archival search) but not anymore

[lavish dove]

wow

[spare quartz]

to get the access i once had i need to pay something stupid, like $1,000+ a month

[lavish dove]

HA

they dont even know how to target a audience

[lavish dove]

these companies are making the foot to use them so high their forgetting its why they are losing customeres in the first place

[spare quartz]

its elons signature move honestly

[lavish dove]

wait isnt twitter private now that elons got it?

well pretty much private

[spare quartz]

uhh

[lavish dove]

lmao

[spare quartz]

well i heard its value (estimated) dropped by like, 71%

[lavish dove]

well thats because if your buying almost all of the stock like elon did they give you a steep discount or else it would be in the trillions

cuz the markets designed to inflate and crash every now and then

[proud creek]

whatttt

https://cdn.clipake.me/u/EbHspO.png

💀

[lavish dove]

wow

atleast your not at 200% storage

replit is fucking crazy though

[proud creek]

yeah i never used replit that much

[lavish dove]

I just used it because it was a free way to get a vps and editor for coding

[lavish dove]

@spare quartz it works

its really fucking slow but it works

[spare quartz]

neat

[spare quartz]

oh cmon

how does the java prgoram work but not my lua...

[lavish dove]

lmao

[spare quartz]

partial success

[lavish dove]

nice

3D renderer in roblox is fuckin crazy

[spare quartz]

naw its nothing new

ive just never really done it w/o opengl

theres some weirdness getting close (and clamping the lines position causes warping around the edges) but that should be easy to fix i think

nowww to figure out how to draw lines

oh

[spare quartz]

alright

i translated some nerds homework (https://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/~xwu/) into a working line algo

lemme just convert this into an mp4

just need to fix the edge case of lines rendering behind the camera

and hte infinite loop that happens if you zoom in too far

yeah. i messed up

really bad

[proud creek]

idk i think you just simulated a laser show

[spare quartz]

THATS SUPPOSED TO BE A CUBE 😭

[proud creek]

a cube that turned into a laser show

[spare quartz]

aha

there

i was reading in the wrong orientation

i think thats my first "shader"

(in roblox)

after this im gonna implement faces

[spare quartz]

monket

this has no right being cool

[full berry]

ho lee mo lee

[spare quartz]

backface culling!

(slightly agressive)

still need to figure out how to render faces without it lagging like crap

blocky red honestly has some charm

[spare quartz]

okay it is

STUPID laggy

but something

[spare quartz]

HE'S TEXTURED

[spare quartz]

I’m done with it for now… maybe I’ll do an iterative development in 5 years

Time to continue other things!!

[lavish dove]

woah

[lavish dove]

nice

[timid quartz]

make your jvm work more

[spare quartz]

keiwjwlksnflemfg

[proud creek]

lol

[spare quartz]

WINBOND
50160VSIG
1250

[spare quartz]

new mobo arrived

it works!

and it even has a serial port

no way

[timid quartz]

notepad 😭

[spare quartz]

hey.. its a pretty good IDE

[timid quartz]

No it’s not

[spare quartz]

you just havent tried it enough

[timid quartz]

It’s an okay editor but it is not by any definition an IDE

[spare quartz]

N oticably
O kay
T ext based
E ditor for
P rogramming
A nd
D eath

[timid quartz]

But it’s not an ide

It’s not an entire development environment and there’s nothing integrated beyond an editor

[spare quartz]

wwwwwwwelllll

techhnically

if you count System32

its an IDE

MAN this feels weird

i havent used vsc in like

3 years+

[timid quartz]

Yeah use a real editor like uh

neovim

or emacs

[spare quartz]

those are both just notepad

but Worse

and bloated

[timid quartz]

But better

Vim keybinds -> top tier
Emacs extensibility -> unparalleled

[spare quartz]

notepad robustness -> better than both

[spare quartz]

also

i got a lot of likes on twitter for making a stupid simple rasterizer on my moms laptop

computer graphics seem to make people happy

[timid quartz]

graphics

eugh

Where we’re going we don’t need a gui

[spare quartz]

yeah OK tui purist

honestly yknow what a rasterizer on CGA graphics would be kinda cool

... granted it only has like, 80 x 50 or something "pixels"

[full berry]

LMAO arc's security vuln was a firebase "issue" 💀

https://arc.net/blog/CVE-2024-45489-incident-response

[pastel tinsel]

You just figured that out?

[spare quartz]

i have been compiling gcc for 7 hours

am i okay

[full berry]

yes because i have a LIFE

no you are not

[spare quartz]

sorry misspoke

binutils, precursor to gcc

[spare quartz]

do you have afursona yet

[full berry]

i am not a furry

🤮

[spare quartz]

yeah ok 🦐

[full berry]

IDE

[spare quartz]

this is my ide rn

[full berry]

DIE*

[spare quartz]

🎲

okay lol igot a 1

[full berry]

oml

kys

MY SHIFT EKSY DOESNT WORK ANYMORe

this keyboard is giving out

[spare quartz]

??

[full berry]

[spare quartz]

??

[full berry]

ohmygod

i do not like kissing boys

[spare quartz]

you and aera use boykisser a lot

and honestly you two are prty gay

-t4wrg0fodbglv.

im going to MURDER

/home/Adenosine3Phosphate/cygwin/src/gcc-13/gcc/../libcpp/include/line-map.h: No such file or directory

this shit is NOT FUNNY

[full berry]

i mean idk about aera but

i am not that gay

[proud creek]

bookmark

[full berry]

today i found out you can emit custom events to your bot's client

i have so many ideas now

[pastel tinsel]

you just now found that?? 😭

anyways don't abuse it

use functions for the most part

[spare quartz]

myookmark

[spare quartz]

god

i have such a good idea but it wont ever come to fruition if gcc just doesnt flat out work

[spare quartz]

BOMB DEFUSED

[spare quartz]

making my own ada rts because 2022 does not like running gutted

yknow considering the base code im using is from 2012

id say this is on the better end of how things could've ghone

im glad the naming scheme for ada spec/bodies make very good mnemonics

[timid quartz]

Imagine needing a separate spec file 😎

[spare quartz]

im still not even done translating the RTS

(even then, im not sure itll even work)

(allocators/the secondary stack could just kill the os outright)

[timid quartz]

@spare quartz https://youtu.be/MZdxbf0_fPg

[spare quartz]

😓

[spare quartz]

i skipped throughout most of the video 😭

also.. gonna be honest, i don't like the intersection between autism and programming (and to an extent any adjacent things, like.. programmer socks) made in the video

this used to be so much easier

[spare quartz]

https://fixupx.com/rflaherty71/status/1840105654729748982

[proud creek]

there are different groups

[spare quartz]

this tweet is mainly referring to the one where "cracked" is constantly thrown around (and is mainly just baby steps into more advanced computing)

if that wasn't clear... | what other groups are there, and what are they like

[spare quartz]

@timid quartz

guess what im doing :3

[timid quartz]

It’s true tho

Just look at the general tech community but especially programming

[spare quartz]

yessss

i know its objectively true

i just don't like how it's ...

what's the word, represented?

[timid quartz]

Mm fair

[spare quartz]

debugging this bare bones renderer rn

visual studio code is not as bad as i remembered it to be

... crap i lost the stop button nevermind

[spare quartz]

there

finally got remote gdb to work

its pretty cool to see it (mostly) works

just doesn't like more ada specific things like arrays

records just show up as <synthetic pointer>

The latest versions of GDB are Ada-aware and can handle complex Ada data structures.

hmm..

[spare quartz]

back at the dots

[timid quartz]

Draw a :3

[spare quartz]

that would require a lot of verts

and honestly im not even sure the perspectives right

i need a line algo

[full berry]

i also found out that remotefunctions are biggest async haters

[pastel tinsel]

Then you are doing something wrong

[full berry]

i mean i am using roblox-ts so like

that's probably why

[pastel tinsel]

[full berry]

also the compiler for some reason

dislikes pnpm

[lavish dove]

no way

[lavish dove]

now switch vga from text mode

[spare quartz]

-080ijk

[lavish dove]

you can use a bootloader or something they put it in like vesa mode or something and give you like 4k lol

I think theres a 4k mode for something

man ada feels kinda bloaty

so many folders and stuff for hello world

[lavish dove]

how do I make the grey things hide in the documentation they are literally bigger than the entire pages and I cant read with them

[spare quartz]

que

[spare quartz]

also its only one file for a hello world

[lavish dove]

yeah but I cant find anything on just compiling one file

😭

[spare quartz]

its generally
obj
src
project.gpr
because running GCC on one file will produce a lot of trash where its run

[spare quartz]

https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.6.4/gnat_ugn_unw/Running-a-Simple-Ada-Program.html

[lavish dove]

so it compiles to c?

[spare quartz]

no

[lavish dove]

thanks

[spare quartz]

GNAT has been apart of GCC for a very long time

[lavish dove]

I was doing the allire one

[spare quartz]

alire is for more complex things

stick to GPR/GCC for small stuff

[spare quartz]

but its generally .adb/.ads -> .ali -> (object files, executables)

[lavish dove]

o

[spare quartz]

also sidenote this is a REALLY old gcc doc

the current version is like, 14.2?

14.2.3 iirc..

[lavish dove]

lol

im on 12.2

but I think I have the latest version as a crosscompiler

[lavish dove]

https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-14.2.0/gnat_ugn/Running-a-Simple-Ada-Program.html

latest one

[spare quartz]

almost nothings changed :3

[lavish dove]

it went from old html to fancy new html

[spare quartz]

should note that GNATMake is generally inferior (and subject to replacement) by GPRBuild

for the time being both are roughly equal

[lavish dove]

ok ill just stay with gcc cuz I trust it lmao

gcc: fatal error: cannot execute ‘gnat1’: execvp: No such file or directory
aw man

lmao I spent like 5 minutes looking for the package and it was just named gnat

[umbral monolith]

ok

[timid quartz]

Sounds like good practice then

[spare quartz]

sounds like awful practice

[timid quartz]

Sounds like you can’t do it

Sounds like you’re too scared

:3

[spare quartz]

oh yeah??

well. um .

umm..

help me figure out how to ... umm

my brain farted

[timid quartz]

Loool

Idk how to rasterize

This is your project

[spare quartz]

no i already know how to do that

[timid quartz]

I’ve still yet to start on my SMTP thing to bombard your server with legitimate mail 😭

[spare quartz]

its how to effectively load a "file" off a "disk"

since im still in real mode

[timid quartz]

Enter imaginary mode

[spare quartz]

no!

i hate complex. numbes..

[timid quartz]

They’re actually quite shrimple

[spare quartz]

no...

i think..

[timid quartz]

I mean

You could write a program to convert a JPEG into a 2D array of integer values

Paste that into a Lua script

[spare quartz]

NO

[timid quartz]

And load off of that

[spare quartz]

?

[timid quartz]

You already have a JPEG parser

[spare quartz]

um

this is bare metal, aera

[timid quartz]

Did you eat it

Your rasterizer is in Roblox right

[spare quartz]

yes

[timid quartz]

Ok so

[spare quartz]

im converting the math and concepts to ada

[timid quartz]

Just

Load 2D array from script

[spare quartz]

SIGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH

[timid quartz]

There’s no “disk” to load from really

[spare quartz]

okay..

i know that

the way im doing it (since theres no UEFI backing) would be to use BIOS routines

but id rather die than do those

[timid quartz]

Just store it as a static variable

[spare quartz]

okaaayyyyyyy

[lavish dove]

but they are so easy to use

and they work so well

it even detects nvme drives lmao

[spare quartz]

• nonstandarized
• inline asm hell (ada wise)
• literally useless for anything more than reading one (simple) thing

[lavish dove]

it is standarized, ibm made a sheet with everything that was supposed to be supported
make one function with each register as a parameter and your poggar
you can also play music

[spare quartz]

BIOS isn't standarized and never has been

[lavish dove]

well its the closest it will ever be

every popular function works on every computer

and if not, its easy to detect

[spare quartz]

"every computer" more like "this set of firmware" ...

UEFI is so much better but writing an app for it is infuriating

[lavish dove]

wdym this set of firmware, I mean dell, texas instruments, ibm, everything the bios disc read works with

[spare quartz]

can you tell me the interrupt code

[lavish dove]

0x08

thats off the top of my head

let me get teh real one lmao

ill even give you the code to use it

[spare quartz]

uhhh..

[lavish dove]

nooooo

😭

[spare quartz]

I SUPPOSE programming the RTC is a form of io...

[lavish dove]

well heres my shitty atapio driver that doesnt use bios and can run from protected 64 bit mode

void atapio_read(uint drive, uint64_t lba, uint sectors, uint16_t *ptr) {
  uint8_t b = inb(0x1F7);
  if (b == 0xFF) return; // error?
  if (b == 0x80) return;

  outb(0x1F6, 0xE0  | ((lba >> 24) & 0x0F)); // master and upper 4 bits
  outb(0x1F2, 0x01); // write 0x01 to the Sector Count register
  outb(0x1F3, (unsigned char) lba); // Sector number or LBA Low, most likely LBA Low (but see comments below)
  outb(0x1F4, (unsigned char)(lba >> 8)); // Cyl Low number or LBA Mid
  outb(0x1F5, (unsigned char)(lba >> 16)); // Cyl High number or LBA High
  outb(0x1F7, 0x20); // Send command, See note [2] below

  while (inb(0x1F7) == 80); // wait until ready
  
  for (uint loop=0;loop<256;loop++) {
    ptr[loop] = inw(0x1F0);
  }
}```

and reading from the bios interrupts

; reset boot disk
xor ah,ah
mov dl, 0x80
int 13h
cmp ah, 0
jnz err

; read the rest of the bootloader
mov ah, 2h
mov al, 2
mov ch, 0 & 0xff
mov cl, 2
mov dh, 0
mov dl, 0x80 ; boot disk
mov bx, 32256
;mov bx,  ; first byte in mem of next sector
int 13h```

[spare quartz]

... ATA ... PIO ...

i think im gonna be sick 🤢

[lavish dove]

atapio is a weird name

its just ata

and is the drive that qemu uses if you dont specify another one

its existed since like late 80's

[spare quartz]

PIO is the mode and ATA is the actual interface yes

PIO is incredibly wasteful though and ATA is 🪦

[lavish dove]

well I mean it was made for floppy discs so

💀

[spare quartz]

i THINK ill stick to trying to make a UEFI app

[lavish dove]

nawww not the shitty uefi

[spare quartz]

after i try autogenning a table like Area suggested

[lavish dove]

table for what?

[spare quartz]

its not completely bad...

its just. very easy to get mad at

[spare quartz]

vertex positions for model

[lavish dove]

naw no way your gonna make a rasterizer in 16 bit mode

[spare quartz]

i technically already have

[lavish dove]

gddamn

[spare quartz]

its just not very great at actually writing to the Raster yet since

no line algo or model

[lavish dove]

oof

[lavish dove]

also you can use bios interrupts to put vga in graphics mode

[spare quartz]

yes yes i know that

ill stick with CGA rn though

[lavish dove]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-1000-yard-stare-pfp-discord-typicaljitt-gif-4980154431572290299

I wonder if I ported my 3d renderer thing to bios

[spare quartz]

that sounds awful 😭

flashing your bios to be a rasterizer

[lavish dove]

lmao

[spare quartz]

OH

[lavish dove]

woah what if I made my own bios

that had functions like uefi

but actually worked well and simplisticly like bios

[spare quartz]

what i should do is make a PS/2 driver

to actually move the camera

[spare quartz]

XKCD: Standa

[lavish dove]

uhmmm cant you use a bios interrupt for that

[spare quartz]

no PS/2 is its own thing

its as janky and basically nonstandarized as BIOS, but it runs separately (emulated on everything today)

[lavish dove]

lol

it sounds simple

[spare quartz]

it is

a functional driver only needs like, 2 very minimal structs to read key presses

("driver" -- what i mean is just checking the state of the PS/2 port with in/out every kernel cycle)

[lavish dove]

nice

[timid quartz]

Polling 👎
Interrupts 👍

[spare quartz]

setting the interrupt table is for nerds though

[timid quartz]

Perfect then you should

[spare quartz]

IM NOT A NERD

[timid quartz]

🤓 🫵

[timid quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229793467689996320/1230865805193908327/linuxisevil.gif

[spare quartz]

UNIX or POSIX

choose your side

[timid quartz]

Unix is basically dead so

Posix

Pretty sure BSDs (the only living thing close to Unix) are also Posix-compliant so

[spare quartz]

macos...

[timid quartz]

macOS is even further removed

[spare quartz]

still

[proud creek]

Wait we gotta ban Linux now

[spare quartz]

its apart of the unix family iirc...

doesnt need to be like

System V or something

oh yeah actually uh

thats something i never really figured out

is OpenGL an actual GPU hardware thing, or driver thing

(or a mix of both?)

[lavish dove]

both

it depends on the vendor

alot of old gpu's had native and only native opengl.. or atleast to my knowledge

I think there was also a standardized 2D graphics thing that you could write to some port and use (I think)

[spare quartz]

That’s just something’ I’ve always wondered abt

I know certain gpus have their own set of extensions, but like

[lavish dove]

well they are completely different hardware

vulkan, opengl and shit just convert from teh gpu's hardware instructions to their api's

which si why vulkan is so shit

lmao

[spare quartz]

If you had a GL 4.6, would it be able to run its procedures on say… a 2000s card?

(GL 4.6 specific procedures, not GL1.0+)

[lavish dove]

wait didnt you say you had that intel hundreds of cores thing

co proccessor

[spare quartz]

Yes but I found out it’s dead

[lavish dove]

thats exactly what an old gpu was I think

you would just issue it instructions and it would execute them in parallel like a fucking co-proccessor, opengl and shit was so you wouldnt haved to make your own rasterizer

[spare quartz]

MIC was a competitor to GPGPUs

[spare quartz]

It’s advantage was… it was literally just another CPU instead of a jerryrigged GPU

So it could run almost any application natively