#Shades of Morton number tweaks to align with osrs
steady sundial
To align with osrs, this should be the best way to obtain elite clues outside of opening dragon implings.
for reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixDlJ5YKa9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgAKxC90Z8o
IF pyre logs are added, make them tradable, I do believe people like the ease of pyre logs/oils etc not existing though. This would also require the shades of minigame command to be re-worked as currently this command just cremates shades, so 100% leave this out.
trip to cremate shade remains should do between 550-685 per hour (this could scale with minion experience, as it's a tick manipulation method to improve cremations/hr)
on osrs you can open between 1300-1400 keys per hour [players would drop the elites on the floor on osrs until they have a few elites stacked up]
-cremating shades should give firemaking and prayer xp relevant to the shade remains you burn and tier of morton diary you have completed.
opening keys on the bot is currently a instant trip [0 time]
As there's no "open until elite" command, if the opening trip were to have a length it would waste keys and kill the method, the best workaround would be to factor in the time to open keys into the cremation trip, this also saves creating a whole new command which involves open until.
For example: 7 cremations per minute. would give 420keys/hr, resulting in 2.6elites hr.
This method will also create a decent money making method for people that want to collect and sell Urium shades and redwood logs.
ironmen:
The time to kill Urium shades could be buffed to help irons benefit from this method.
currently you can kill around 171 urium shades per hour > buff this to 240 urium shades per hour (max melee)
Assuming you have redwood logs banked and collect your own urium shades (240hr) = 1 elite/hr
Assuming you have to chop redwood logs (164/hr) and collect your own urium shades (240/hr) = 0.7 elites/hr
Due to sarachnis variance and wasted clues due to longer trips, this shades method is possibly better for ironmen to obtain elite clues.
Shades of Morton number tweaks to align with osrs
cerulean gulch
Good update and matches what we do on the main game 👍 nice lwy
earnest zealot
Lol I seen that update on osrs and wondered if I should delay my Gary grind until it gets updated on here but figured that'll take forever... annnnd.... it's here f me
steady sundial
Lol I seen that update on osrs and wondered if I should delay my Gary grind unti...
is this a bso thing? not familiar with that
lucid brook
can you actually cremate 685/hr tho? spreadsheet in the vid says 618.56
also 420 keys/hr would be 3.2 clues/hr (with CAs), think you forgot there's only a 79/100 chance of getting a key
ok, 420 cremations/hr would give 331.8 keys and 2.51 clues/hr, sounds consistent with the info I can find on log hunters discord, your math was just off in some places
lucid brook
for irons,
killing 240 shades/hr would be 1.17 clues/hr with banked redwoods or 0.6 including chopping time if you don't need sacred oil
that's a huge buff from 0.91 and 0.53 you can get in osrs, probably should be taken into account if not coding oil/pyre logs
steady sundial
can you actually cremate 685/hr tho? spreadsheet in the vid says 618.56
I think that sheet is just a bit outdated, i spoke with #1 and #2 col loggers on osrs and both gave me 685, also fangsie vid i linked says 685 in description
- 685 being max eff no mistakes, so probably good idea to have some minion learning with this number
steady sundial
also 420 keys/hr would be 3.2 clues/hr (with CAs), think you forgot there's only...
the key opening will probably remain a 0 time trip like how it is atm, so only really have to look at the amount of keys/hr from cremations
the 240 shades/hr was pretty much just what i got from throwing it into a dps calc with max melee, no time accounted for banking so can lower the amount of kills/hr if its silly
also it appears the irons are fairly doomed on the banked redwoods front anyway
https://i.imgur.com/Jxn8Moh.png
lucid brook
I think that sheet is just a bit outdated, i spoke with #1 and #2 col loggers on...
oh I missed the first vid, I don't mind no minion learning tbh, the method is easy enough because there's a lot of downtime so it's not as click intensive as other tick manip methods
only 3ticking was hard before because you had to click 3 times in the same tick, but 4t is pretty easy easy, especially now with the recent updates
steady sundial
so u think that the numbers for mains are ok, but iron needs tweaked?
lucid brook
sec, I need to check iron numbers with the 685 cremations/hr
steady sundial
personally i didnt mind it being on the higher side, i think sarachnis still outbeats it cause sarachnis drops the hards too
steady sundial
sec, I need to check iron numbers with the 685 cremations/hr
check it with the assumption they have to get their own logs and own shade remains
cause thats the case for 99.9% of ppl it seems
lucid brook
0.53 with 550 sacred oil/hr and 0.61 without
lucid brook
053 and 0.59 actually, had a typo
lucid brook
and i think it has to stay that way
yeah same, but maybe decrease urium kc/hr to compensate
instead of just making is 10% better
unless people really care about the combat xp from those lol
steady sundial
the urium shade number 100% can be lowered
cause 240 kills is assuming ur perma in combat and dont bank
lucid brook
less kc/hr would mean they get more expensive for mains too to make up for no sacred oil cost
steady sundial
and in max mel
lucid brook
think that would be the easiest way to balance
steady sundial
yea thankfully this will hopefully turn out to be just tweaking some numbers with shades of morton command
i dont think anyone wants to make or use new commands for it
shades of morton is simple on here
which is nice
lucid brook
ok, so keep the shades at 171 kc/hr, it balances out the no sacred oil almost perfectly for irons
and make it 450 cremations/hr = 382 keys = 2.9 elites with CA
this should be close to in game rates
that's assuming 1350 chests opened/hr, do you have any references for that?
any vid of someone running there and doing a full inv and I could time it
steady sundial
was looking for something like that but couldnt find anything
1350 was the number i got from asking ppl that do it all day
lucid brook
people often overestimate their own rates tho
steady sundial
nah not those two
lucid brook
1350 was the number i got from asking ppl that do it all day
do they use mory legs or the tp scroll?
steady sundial
yea.. i think we tend to just assume those items dont exist
cause u dont like use them at zulrah for example
on here
lucid brook
so if we wanna just make it scroll rates 450 cremations/hr
otherwise 410
does zulrah in the bot assume scrolls?
idk rates
steady sundial
probably, its really good kph i cant remember
well it was
it might be outdated now
steady sundial
yea something came out that was good i cant evne think what it is
lucid brook
I'm fine with 450 scroll rates, but maybe make mory elite a requirement in the bot
best method in the game should have some req
steady sundial
ye seems fair
im obv biast, but i think that this needs to be as best as it can be
cuz like
the alternatives we have on here
are not ideal
cause u get cucked by not being able to stop trip when u get an elite
lucid brook
think there were talks about making excess clues from trips work like shooting stars
steady sundial
was that where if u got 2 clues from a trip, you can then do them both?
lucid brook
yeah, if you click the buttom quick enough
steady sundial
ya i did read all of that
i like the idea but not the time part
but you should probably lose the extra clue if u go and do something else
without doing them first
lucid brook
ok, so keep the shades at 171 kc/hr, it balances out the no sacred oil almost pe...
but I agree this should be the best method, just use these numbers to make it as close as possible to osrs
ancient trellis
hi
steady sundial
#1283917064192524368 message
these numbers may b closer to osrs rates
mains is fines
but irons was like 10% better than ingame
ancient trellis
just add it to ur github thread and evidence for w/e yal figure out
steady sundial
kk
if its 450 cremations per hour
Assuming you have redwood logs banked and collect your own urium shades (171hr) =
Assuming you have to chop redwood logs (164/hr) and collect your own urium shades (171/hr) =
@lucid brook what were these numbers?
lucid brook
<@516285394128470046> what were these numbers?
0.83 and 0.52
lucid brook
0.9*
steady sundial
0.9 and 0.52?
steady sundial
np, changed it