GENERAL TROUBLESHOOTING THREAD

[cosmic token]

how good are you with a multimeter ?

[waxen silo]

dont have one yet but I gotta get it for college

Im not buying tools for a bit though I can just ping you once I get one

[supple horizon]

Can you readjust the IO shield on the MSI B650I?

For some reason it sits slightly crooked in my case

[proud wagon]

Hammer

Fr tho check screws on the mobo backside see if you can readjust

Any tiny fan for the fractal ridge to remove the hot air?

I have 200w of cooling that drops to 130 after a while

The air burns me fingers it's so hot

[rugged hill]

Hi guys, I built a PC using the Meshroom S case, I have a 2080 vertically mounted behind the motherboard, it seems to be reaching max temp when playing intensive games, I'm not sure if that's normal or if I've done something wrong and it shouldn't always be at max temp

[nova summit]

It has direct access to fresh air so that shouldn't be happening. Was the thermal paste ever changed?

[rugged hill]

Repasted about a year ago

thermals were checked then in a normal size case and furmark didn't cause any maxing out

[nova summit]

How big is the gap between fans and mesh panel? Is there a chance hot air is recirculating? You could test that by removing that panel

[rugged hill]

it's about 1.8cm, I'll remove the panel and try again

It still maxed out but took a bit longer to get there, not sure what that means for the airflow, since it shouldnt be that restricted by the mesh

[nova summit]

Recirculating doesn't mean too restrictive. The air just takes the easiest path which is from the sides into the fan

[nova summit]

But if it still maxed out there's a different issue

[rugged hill]

hmm, could it just be that I'm asking too much of it? or should it not max out under any circumstance

[nova summit]

How many Watts are you pulling? What's the fan rpm? Did you change the fan curve?

[rugged hill]

200 Watts consistently, 230 peak
fan rpm for both fans is 3600 rpm
the fan curve is standard, highest possible at that temperature anyway

[nova summit]

Okay something is off. 3600 RPM is definitely high but 200W isn't

[nova summit]

Is it just dirty/dusty?

[rugged hill]

It was cleaned out about a year ago, there's some dust but nothing extreme, can still see between all the heat fins

[nova summit]

"I can still see between all fins" is not good measurement for dusty🤣
I would recommend removing dust every 6 months

Maybe do that and try again. I'd just like to prevent having to open the card if possible

[rugged hill]

oh lol, idk I've only ever seen major overheating issues when there is visibly a lot of dust on the card, but okay will try some compressed air

[rugged hill]

Yeah I'm not massively familiar with opening GPUs so I think I'd also like to avoid that haha

[nova summit]

Have you looked up a review/test for your specific model to see normal temperatures, RPM and power draw?

[rugged hill]

I hadn't before this but seems to be about 73-75 degrees Celsius is what a lot of reviews say, not sure where to look for normal fan speeds, seems like furmark should bring it to 270 ish watts, will give furmark a go and see, also the GPU runs quite significantly cooler at idle than many reviews say

OK so on furmark, the GPU seems to be pulling only 210W at maximum

again maxed out at 83C

[nova summit]

If it pulls less that's because it's reducing power because of temps

[rugged hill]

yeah

[nova summit]

I'm sorry to say this but it seems your GPU cooler is underperforming. Could be bad thermal paste contact

[rugged hill]

hmm, it was tested after the thermal paste was reapplied, and it seemed that it was working fine, it was only after that point that it began overheating

can thermal paste lose contact a couple months after being applied

[nova summit]

If you want to avoid opening the card at all costs you can make a duct and lift the thermal limit in afterburner. That wouldn't fix the problem though

[nova summit]

No, it can only dry out

[rugged hill]

damn, so I guess my solution now is to reapply thermal paste

[rugged hill]

oh so it's weird it was working fine, then began underperforming later

[nova summit]

Do you remember which paste?

[rugged hill]

It was repasted by someone else and then tested, I'll ask them which one they used

[nova summit]

Replacing the pads would also be good if never done so

[rugged hill]

it was noctua thermal paste it was repasted with

[nova summit]

Hm, that shouldn't be the problem. They are good quality

[rugged hill]

Is there any way I could have my case set up wrong or something? or should there be ample ventilation

[nova summit]

Unless the GPU is facing the table there shouldn't be an issue

[rugged hill]

it's vertically mounted and the bracket part is facing downwards

[nova summit]

That's perfect in theory

[rugged hill]

oh also it's raised about as high as possible with the extensions that come with the Meshroom S so there's even more space below it

tbh it seems like it could only be the thermal paste, but yeah doesn't make sense that it was fine before

[nova summit]

There's of course also the option of a broken cooler. Sometimes heatpipes or vapour chambers can leak which renders them useless. Happens very rarely though

[rugged hill]

hmm, maybe, though the cooling performance still seems to be acceptable when running lower resolutions

[nova summit]

Yeah because that is more CPU bound

[rugged hill]

right

[rugged hill]

Some reviews seem to say that 220 W is about the right power draw, not sure what source to trust

[nova summit]

Gamers Nexus, hardware unboxed and der8auer usually have the most accurate data

[cosmic token]

techpowerup says 215w for the 2080

250w for the 2080 super and even more for the ti

[nova summit]

Board partner models can allow for more (eg strix version)

[cosmic token]

not that much more

especially if its an FE

[rugged hill]

that lines up pretty perfectly with what I see mine getting to so maybe it's not throttling, but right on the limit for throttling

either way I'm not sure it's the case that's the issue, more likely overextending the card maybe

[barren nexus]

just finished building pc and installing all drivers
but pc is having stuttering problems that occur can occur every 10 or so(could be longer or shorter
any possible answers?
not even in game, just being on pc browsing etc.
like watching yt or being in discord call audio even muffles/stutters

[barren nexus]

it does happen randomly, but when doing actions like clicking through other discord server or clicking through tabs

it will definitly happen more often

yea, was in val game for a min. Lots of stuttering even though frames are high

I am on a 4070ti super with 7600x

before i was using the 4070ti super for a week with a 5600x

ram also at correct speeds although did see expo 1 & 2, I just clicked 1

[proper jasper]

using a riser?

This somewhat sounds like 4.0 over 3.0 riser moment

[nova summit]

This sounds very weird. Maybe DDU and reinstall drivers

Did you do a clean windows installation with the new hardware config?

[barren nexus]

Yes

[barren nexus]

Yep

I tried cloning the ssd as you said but there was an error so I just wiped and did a fresh install

[proper jasper]

sooo...what was the old mobo, what's the new mobo, is the riser 4.0?

[barren nexus]

I have to check the formd t1 website not sure which one they included

[proper jasper]

if you bought at all recently, it's 4.0

[barren nexus]

Old was an ASUS b450 f gaming

Yes very recent

[proper jasper]

is new mobo Aorus b650i

[barren nexus]

New is b650i gigabyte

[proper jasper]

LMAO

is this a v2.5 or v2.1, the t1?

[barren nexus]

Aurous ultra

2.1

[proper jasper]

hmm

go into bios, drop your PCIe link speed or whatever the fuck it's called for the x16 gpu slot to pcie 3.0

this motherboard has known issues with running 4.0 over a riser (not saying YOU should have known, just uh...it happens a lot more than it should)

if that fixes it, you uh...well, you can take a few percent perf hit and live with it, or return if within return period

[barren nexus]

Well fuck me lol

[proper jasper]

like

test it first

[barren nexus]

Ok I will

[proper jasper]

but I'm pretty sure that will fix it

[barren nexus]

After I eat lol

[proper jasper]

lmk how it goes

[barren nexus]

What’s insane is that I only got it cause the asrock lightning one was not in stock

Some dude bought that board minutes before I got there

The last one in stock

[proper jasper]

what store?

[barren nexus]

Microcenter

[proper jasper]

well that's good, you'll get good customer service if you need/want to return

[barren nexus]

Ye I believe 39 day return policy

30

@proper jasper

[proper jasper]

is that what it was or what it is now

[barren nexus]

Idk what you mean by that

I jst took a pic of it

[proper jasper]

did you change it, then take a pic?

[barren nexus]

Didn’t do anything

[proper jasper]

uh oh. well...try finding the setting and making sure it's set to 3.0....but it looks like it is already

[barren nexus]

So should these be set to gen 3

[proper jasper]

yeah set that line to gen 3

[barren nexus]

Both?

Or just top

[proper jasper]

I'm....not actually sure, but try both, it won't hurt

[barren nexus]

ok i wont speak too soon

but no stuttering so far

[proper jasper]

[barren nexus]

@proper jasper ok speaking too soon

no stuttering in game either

youre my savior

[proper jasper]

happy to help

[brazen crow]

Could anyone help me figure out why my PC won’t post, it’s my first build. When I hold the power switch the GPU and PSU fans spin shortly but there’s no output to my monitor.

[nova summit]

Does it work over iGPU?

[brazen crow]

I think I figured it out. It took ages but I got into the bios, thanks though

[brazen crow]

Would it be a problem if I plugged in my case exhaust fans into the secondary CPU_FAN2 header instead of CHA_FAN? This is my first build and I don’t know anything about setting fan curves after building.

[nova summit]

If you don't change anything in bios it will be coupled to the CPU temp but generally speaking you can use any fan header

[brazen crow]

Thanks! I figured that was the case.
So that means most fan control software should be able to seperate the CPU fan headers accordingly, right?

[nova summit]

Yes. The best software is literally called FanControl. It's free and you have unlimited options

[brazen crow]

Does anyone know how to fix this error?

[nova summit]

Cancel and run again

[gentle trench]

My SSD is getting extremely hot, like 90 deg C, even just browsing (not running a game or anything).

My mobo (ASRock Fatality B450) only has one M2 SSD slot on the back, and the case is a very small sandwich (M24), so the SSD lays between the GPU and the mobo.
I only have maybe 1/3 inch of clearance for a passive heatsink, which I will order.

How do I cool the SSD more effectively? Do I need to get a mobo with a front slot?

[proper jasper]

Three options:

1. Somehow mount (3d printing would help) a tiny fan, i.e. a4x10, to blow air over the SSD.
2. Get a very slim copper heatsink. Can be combined with option 1.
3. If the SSD is facing metal entirely, you can stack thermal pads and use case as heatsink. Generally works alright.

[nova summit]

Small heatsink and/or a tiny fan above would be perfect

Oh wait there's the riser cable

[gentle trench]

Thanks! I touched it to try and see how much clearance there was and it kinda hurt my finger. that can't be good lol. I'll put a heatsink in and try and measure for a small fan. it's pretty tight. The riser cable covers it, yeah

That was why I was wondering if a front-slot mobo would be better?

omg they make 25x25mm fans. a few of those plus a slim heatsink might do it

[nova summit]

It would be better but also more expensive

[gentle trench]

Thanks for the tips Ignis Cognitare and Gideon!

[timber drift]

Help! Its so loudd

I already undervolted by .11 its a i5 14500

[proper jasper]

65W power limit time lmao

...80c?

let it go hotter

[eager geyser]

that’s coming from the CPU fan? U might have to change it out to an aftermarket one that has better noise levels (scythe, Noctua)

[naive kelp]

Does anyone else have a HDPlex GaN 250W should unit? Just wondering if anyone had theirs pop within 6 months...as mine just did not too long ago (I believe but can't diagnose since I'm out of a computer)

[proper jasper]

two notes on this, neither of which answer your question directly:

1. AFAIK, HDPlex has very good support, could hit them up
2. You can test a PSU's functionality (to a certain degree) using a multimeter, which you may be able to use for free from a local makerspace or (oddly) an autozone via their tool lending program

[uncut vault]

how much overhead should i account for iwth my powersupply? (running a 3080ti and ryzen 3700)

[proper jasper]

See here^

[icy pagoda]

i couldnt effectively cool a backfacing ssd, in the end i put it on a riser and relocated the ssd under the gpu instead (better cooling next to the gpu exhaust)
with a heatsink it just delays the heatsoaking time

[fair tulip]

SSD should only get hot on its own when you write onto it. If you just browse, not much action is happening on the SSD load wise. Is some sort of exhaust blowing onto it? 90C implies that there is some hot exhaust. Maybe check and try to isolate your SSD from external heat

I used to own that board and ran it in a sandwich too

[fickle vine]

My brother had a strange crash last night. His system is identical to mine except for the GPU

His PC crashed with no noticeable BSOD and every time he tried restarting his pc it would not display boot and the mouse and keyboard would get no input. He suspected a it was a MoBo issue but that wasn't the case. Mobo LED were working fine.
I managed to get him to boot once and log in after switching on and off the PSU switch. I recommended him to update the optional Win 10 system update and during the reboot process he is back to being stuck in a black screen.
His mouse and keyboard are not working and he gets no display or boot menu showing.

Last week we did a DDU for his gpu and we undervolted his card (-70mV) . I suspect that this is the issue. Is there any way I can help him to boot into Windows?

CPU - 5600x
Mobo - b550i
GPU - 7800xt
PSU - 750w
Win 10

[proper jasper]

How did you undervolt it? what utility?

[fickle vine]

Through the AMD Adrenlin software

[proper jasper]

that should reset itself on crash, and based on it being a mild UV I doubt that's the cause 🤔

Almost sounds like PSU is unhappy. Does flipping the PSU switch still work?

[fickle vine]

It worked the first time we tried it. After doing the optional windows update it's not working anymore. However case fans, GPU fans and some mobo leds are woking. PSU fans is not spinning.

He went to sleep now but I will try to troubleshoot with him more tomorrow

[fickle vine]

Any ideas what could be the issue here? Faulty PSU?

[fickle vine]

Still need help with this

[fickle vine]

Looks like PSU is dead

[fickle vine]

My brothers PC is not powering on. We ordered a new PSU suspecting that the old on was dead. But the new one isn't powering on at all

[fickle vine]

he forgot to put in a mobo pwer cable

[neat tulip]

Pc won't post and MB boot led is on. I've tested all connections, removed peripherals, two suspects being the GPU, which I guess could explain no display and the boot device, which would explain the boot debug led. What should I try to do next?

[white pelican]

Did you try boot without the drive plugged in?

Or without the gpu plugged in?

[neat tulip]

Yes, but I have no integrated graphics so I don't know if it tries to display something. Without gpu the vga debug led is lit, naturally.

Originally I tried booting from an hdd I had been using in an usb enclosure. With that drive connected to sata, the system wouldn't even power on! Meaning I flick the psu on, press the power button on the case and fans turn just one turn before stalling, no motherboard leds are lit, nothing happens from pressing power again until I turn the psu off and on again, after which the same things can be repeated

Does this sound like a MB, GPU or boot device issue? Would either of them explain all that's going on?

I'm trying to figure what to replace

[white pelican]

this almost sounds like a PSU issue of not being able to supply enough power.

somehow

[neat tulip]

It's a Corsair 750w and I have i5-11400F and Asus Dual 1060 OC 6Gb

[fickle cloak]

to be honest sounds more like a short and the psu is turning off because of overcurrent protection. does it POST if you unplug the drive?

[neat tulip]

No, stuck on boot led

[fickle cloak]

can you try to boot from usb?

if boot led is on you should at least be able to get into bios

[sly pagoda]

So, a couple of days ago my computer just turned off and wouldn't start at all, no leds, no fans, nothing. Tried another known good psu, still the same. The m.2 ssds are working fine but i don't have a machine to test the rest of the components. I'm thinking something in the motherboard blew up because there was a faint smell of...something. asrock z690m-itx/ax, 12600k. What are the chances of the cpu surviving this? I'd hate buying a new m/b for a dead platform just to find out the cpu/ram is trashed as well 😦

I also tried powering up with everything removed except the cpu and it didn't do anything. Nothing is powering up, not even leds on the motherboard, psu/cpu fans

[sly pagoda]

I managed to test everything...only the motherboard died. Now how can a mb just die out of nowhere i'll never know :/

[final mulch]

I posted this in build help also but, my pc was posting, and I was doing the windows install, and midway through it turned off, and then tried to restart multiple times, and go into automatic repair. Then suddenly it would refuse to post.

Since then I was somehow able to get it to post once, but then when I was trying to figure out which part was bad, the moment I put in the boot drive with windows on it, it refused to boot again, even after I took that drive back out

[balmy aurora]

Why does my 4080 Super show a red light when the PC is turned off? - Should i be worried?

[proper jasper]

As I said in #sffpc-chat this is probably just a "hooked up to power" indicator

A lot of cards have these

However, given you haven't posted a picture...idk

[wooden tide]

run a portable memtest usb

[median notch]

Man screw this B650I gigabyte board. Can’t get this thing to post. Reset ram, checked both power connectors, but has no LED lights to even know what’s going on.

[proper jasper]

just to check you've waited for ram trainning right?

and if you want help, drop a parts list, I'll see if there's anything that jumps out

[median notch]

How long should the training take?

Absolute hero. Thanks.

[stiff fern]

does anyone know why these black squares are appearing
Zotac 3070 Twin Edge
7800x3D
Asrock B650i Lightning

[proper jasper]

It's God telling you to give up anime

No, in all reality that's...pretty textbook GPU failure

Use DDU, wipe your drivers, then reinstall latest.

Make sure any riser cable you may have, or the GPU itself, is properly seated.

Test different display ports/HDMI ports on monitor and GPU and test the cable(you can use your igpu to test cable and monitor)

If none of that works, you might be able to push some more life out of it by fiddling with the VF curve.

Or it's something completely different. Those are some things to try..

Definitely try using your igpu though, see if that fixes it.

[stiff fern]

I reinstalled drivers and it went away, no DDU needed
Hopefully it doesn't come back

This was after reseating but the t1's riser seems to want to move
It's a 3070 bought in like late 2020/early21 so it'd suck if it was already dying

It was showing up on multiple monitors

[frozen fern]

Hey folks, I've just built a desktop with an MSI B650I Wifi Edge. I've connected the antennae and it's not detecting wifi on windows 10

When I try troubleshooting, it just tells me there's no ethernet connected (on account of me not having connected ethernet)

I've downloaded and installed the latest chipset drivers for win 10 and restarted. Still didn't work

(Running windows 10 because I'm getting errors installing windows 11, heard my problem could be fixed by upgrading to windows 11 from 10)

Solved

Turns out I can't read

Installed chipset drivers instead of wifi drivers

[brazen crow]

anyone know why this may be occuring? i bought a new 1440p 240hz monitor and have a 4070 super. I've not had problems with downscaling on my previous monitor (1080p). My guess is that it has something to do with a resolution limit at 240hz, because I can successfully use this res at 144hz. Is there a reason for this, or a workaround?

some context because ppl r confused:
i play all fps games on stretched res
instead of limiting the res to the vertical i use the horizontal, and it looks much better
e.g. on my 1080p monitor I would play 4:3 1920x1440 instead of the traditional 1440x1080
its not a big deal if what im trying to do isn't possible, but i just spent $400 on a new monitor and if I can get this to work it would be nice

[wooden tide]

wtf

2560x1920

this is psychotic

I think your previous monitor had a console input for Xbox and ps4 that accepts up to 4k on, then squishes the image

[wooden tide]

I think you meant 1920x1440 instead

and the equiv on 1080p would be 1440x1080

if you want it to look better try 8x MSAA

if you really want to do what you had previous that's possible too, try nvidia SSAA 2x

[brazen crow]

nope, i meant 2560x1920. look at the example for a 1080p monitor
effectively, instead of stretching the image horizontally, it shrinks it vertically and it results in significantly better image quality. AA does not change the output resolution so it wouldnt do this at all
I did find out that trying to do non-native resolutions over 1440p at 240hz is not supported by DP1.4 because of DSC limitations, which my monitor has no option to turn off.
currently looking into DSR custom resolutions cause some people got it to work

[wooden tide]

you can get SSAA working, which is downscaling

which is what I suggested above

1.5x or 2x is viable on a 1440p panel

not any higher due to perfomance reasons

[brazen crow]

sorry i mightve misread that.
I ended up finding a solution using a DSR tool to create custom resolutions, including 4:3, to bypass DSC limitations

[wooden tide]

Nice. This is typically a much better solution than trying to feed a higher res image into the monitor.

SSAA/DSR/DLDSR has higher quality downscaling than the built in monitor processor (which is designed for 30fps/60fps consoles @ 2160p)

MSAA/TAA (basically any other AA) doesn't help make the image sharper, but it removes the large increase in jagged edges that appear when you run a lower than native resolution, so that's a viable solution if you did 1920x1440 for increased FPS etc.

[frigid fossil]

I can't edit or modify Program Files. I tried following guides online or microsoft answers but either nothing worked or I lack reading comprehension with how complex the answers get. Anyone here big smart that can help?

[rose junco]

Just transferred my computer guts to a new case and also installed swapped out C drive for a new one. I'm getting "No Display" message upon power up and have tried two different monitors with two different HDMI cables plugging both into the mobo and the GPU. Everything worked when it was taken out of my old case.

was wondering if there was anything I should try before removing and refastening all the components

[proper jasper]

so doesn't even post?

drop the parts list

[rose junco]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/infinitewalrus/saved/#view=twvh7P

trying to find the link for the new C drive

[proper jasper]

does your case have a riser?

[rose junco]

rise?

[proper jasper]

ye, a pcie riser cable

[rose junco]

no

[proper jasper]

Hrm. Do you get any signs of life? any LED's, fans, etc?

[rose junco]

LEDs, fans, powers on with the aftermarket power button I got

not that it matters but I outgrew the old case and the "new" one is temporary and actually like 15+ years old

[proper jasper]

okay, so psu and 24 pin are...probably good. I'd start with gpu seating, then cpu and gpu power cables 🤔

but yeah, there's nothing all that specific I can think to look for, sorry man...

[rose junco]

this is the new C drive in the mobo m.2 slot https://www.newegg.com/kingspec-2tb-xg-7000-series/p/0D9-000D-00172?Item=9SIB1V8JVN5929

I'm hoping it's not the GPU. there was a lot of times it got jostled in the old case

[scenic surge]

Would appreciate expert opinion here.
My newly build pc lags in daily tasks like web browsing.

For eg: frames freeze in X/twitter as I scroll down and parts of the screen dont update until I resize the window or click somewhere, and pasting styled strings into excel causes spinning cursor lag.

Specs:
i5-12400f (tested with cinebench r23, 12000 without issues with very low temps)
b760m H Gigabyte mb
tuf gaming RX 6800
ddr4 32gb rampage ram
WD black ssd

Is this normal that im experiencing this kind of lag? Games run flawlessly though, very high FPS

[rose junco]

alright so reassembling everything I had no luck and the GPU does feel a little loose but I'm not positive. I'm about to have a panic attack cuz I have 3 computers and fuckin none of them are fully functioning.

if the graphics card is loose, what are my options?

[fast cobalt]

I saw one seemingly bent pin on the motherboard cpu socket, would it be a problem?

[lone sable]

If you have some fine tweezers that’s super easy to bend back

Just have to be careful to not hulk smash it

[proud wagon]

Might be fine. If it's not, rma

[glass gorge]

Just finished a build, case is a s300, mobo is as rock B650I Lightning WiFi, PSU is sf750, 9800x3d, and g skill flare X5 EXPO

if I enable expo in BIOS, the system won't boot, that is the only change from a clear CMOS , any ideas of what might be the problem or what I can do? Maybe use the expo profile but a lower than 6000 frequency?

[proper jasper]

Like.. Won't boot instantly, or after giving time to train?

[glass gorge]

Time to train?? Not sure what you mean with that

[glass gorge]

Like, not at all... The first time it took 1 min+, the second it never booted but I was confused with what caused it

Then I reset bios, only changed it to expo, and rebooted

This time it went 10 minutes without booting, I force powered it off, left for about 3 mins off, then tried again, 15 mins and no boot

Then I reset the bios again and just left it unchanged (I selected the 4800 profile) ,no issues with the boot so far

[proper jasper]

Hmm, yeah 15 is enough time for memory training.

Sounds like it might be time to try 1 stick at a time, on each slot, at expo. See if you can identify a bad stick or slot.

[deft hound]

Help - just installed a Asus ZenWifi XT9 "mesh" router, and while the internet download speeds seem good, trying to navigate the Asus admin page is driving me nucking futs. Super slow to populate stuff on the page, or pages fail to load altogether. I've owned an Asus router years ago and had zero problems with the Asus admin interface, but I can't figure out WTF to do about it. And all of my googling on the topic is focused on people's download/upload speeds. Is this router trash? Or any known issues?

[cosmic token]

just in case have you tried from another browser ?

[solar timber]

guys i put my m2 drive into new motherboard and it wont boot. does show up in BIOS as a drive but i cant tell why it wont boot from it

[deft hound]

Yeah, last night when I was fighting with the thing I tried Firefox, Chrome, Brave, and incognito versions of them too. It behaved as though the router was maxed out of resources and was struggling to respond... that or my wired ethernet connection from PC to router is flaky.
Unfortunately, I bought it from Microcenter and they only have a 30 day return policy (bought yesterday) so I need to figure out quickly if I'm going to keep it or return it. And if I return it... I need something better to buy in its place.

As of this morning it seems a bit more responsive. Gonna spend most of my day today playing with it, to see if my problems yesterday were a one-off while it was brand new, or if it's a pattern.

[deft hound]

Is there an OS installed on the m.2 drive? Do you have any other bootable devices plugged into the PC, such as SD card, USB sticks, or other hard drive with OS present?

[solar timber]

yes, it has an OS installed on it. i can boot from it from another mobo. i figure i just cant get the settings right on this one. and yeah, i do have 2 other devices, btut hey are blank drives

this is the settings on the other mobo, where it DOES work

but my problem is on my new mobo if i set CSM to enabled, it will look like yes it's enabled, and ill save and exit

then ill be back in my bios and itll be back to disabled...

[solar timber]

ok uh. i eventually got it to boot from the drive. now i have a fun problem where it is booting to the wrong partition, it's going to an OS i dont want instead of to grub

[grizzled trench]

Hi guys, since updating my pc the other day, ever since i shut off or restart my pc. Theres a chance that it goes into a black screen with an idle underscore at the top left corner of the screen. Any fixes for this? Or ideas of what might cause this issue?

[proper jasper]

Does Ctrl+alt+delete get you past it?

Idk a fix, but I had a gigashit board that did that

[fringe elk]

https://i.imgur.com/8osY5Sj.png

Thermalright Assassin mini & Kryonaut paste.

2 coolers, 3 pastes, and 1 Phase change pad tested all have the same heating issue. Did i get unlucky with the solder/ihs?

just incase, is there a higher than 1% chance that it could be the contact frame?

[lone sable]

Would need to see case, and fan directions.

[fringe elk]

what about an open bench? because that is what i'm currently running it on

[lone sable]

Is this idle or load @fringe elk

What do you use your PC for also? I have some recommendations depending on that answer

The overall recommendation would be adjust your pbo limits to make it so the cpu won’t go above 80 degrees during max load.

Should only impact performance by less than 2%

I did something like 130000/ 90000 / 150000 iirc for my own 9800

[fringe elk]

the image? I had ff14 in the background but locked to 30fps, essentionally no load (7% on cpu)

I pretty much use it for gaming

I have curve optimizer -20 and disabled iGPU

i just want my CPU to survive a full OCCT CPU run and not overheat and turn off in the middle of it

[lone sable]

Do manual pbo limits

Less than 5% performance hit, computer won’t go above 80 degrees or whatever you set it too

[fringe elk]

Gimme some limits i can set, or should i go with cpu default? atm i think its on auto.

[lone sable]

What’s your motherboard

@fringe elk

And psu

[fringe elk]

x870i aorus pro ice

[fringe elk]

loki 1000

[lone sable]

Try:
160000
120000
220000

And then see what max temp is

Set it to manual

[fringe elk]

I'll try them whenever i return from work tomorrow

and report back

[lone sable]

If that still causing it to be too hot or loud try lowering them to the ones I use above before that message My system doesn’t go above 75 iirc

[fringe elk]

hopefully, we'll see

imma also do some cinebench and a game or 2 to get some before and after numbers

[lone sable]

Good idea

[fringe elk]

couldn't sleep so i decided to run some before tests

mate cp2077 reaches 93c

avg of 88

on the benchmark run

anyway i will also go test gears 5 as that has a nice benchmark too

then i'll go do your numbers

nvm gotta download a lot of stuff to test it out holy

just entering the campaign makes my cpu reach 95 lol

[fringe elk]

gears 5 dropped 3% & temp dropped from 77 to 73
cp2077 also dropped 3% & temp from 88 to 85 (max of 91 now instead of 93)

imma test cb2024 now

[fringe elk]

CB dropped in single increased in multi (probably less throttling?) anyway from 138 to 135 & from 1321 to 1358

temp dropped by 1 degree but still over 95c

https://i.imgur.com/ZuD1HDi.png

[lone sable]

Any update

[fringe elk]

Just what i sent above

Still overheating

[trail vault]

Guys, is resetting bios by jumping the cmos will make my bios using pcie3 for gpu?

My board is gigabyte b550i aorus pro ax

I make a trouble by change my bios to pcie 4 after get adt cable 😂

[proper jasper]

Probably not. It usually defaults to it's max

[trail vault]

I really lazy to open back all my component just to put gpu back to pcie slot directly

[trail vault]

So no other choice right 😦

[proper jasper]

You can try it, it might be stable enough to reach BIOS

[trail vault]

I wanan try blind navigation but somehow its not work at all

[proper jasper]

Guessing no igpu cause am4

[trail vault]

Yess no igpu

[proper jasper]

I don't think it is booting

[trail vault]

Yea

Damnnn

Ok time to open the case

Thanks man

[lone sable]

I don’t think you set the pbo limits up correctly if you’re still reaching that temperature; and if you did; then something is definitely wrong inside the case, whether it be pressure; fan directions, air bubbles in paste or something.

You shouldn’t be getting over 80 degrees even in cinebench

Also sorry for late reply; busy IRL

[fringe elk]

I got another 9800x3d for a build i'm doing for someone else, absolutely 0 issues.
same everything is around 15c lower mate

i'm currently running my build with an arctic liquid freezer 3 280 at ppt of 125w so i dont overheat

I still reach low 90s

I will delid it, just not now.

[lone sable]

Nice glad it worked out

[distant forge]

I was curious about my card performance (but 2080 ti) compared to the others, so I checked some tests on YT, and found out that my card is underperoming around %50 (with the same setting), brought up the statics, the only thing I see is abonormal is the 80 temp, but does the temp really drag down the performance by that much?

[fringe elk]

Not really worked out, my main build has the issues the build i made for another person doesn't have any issues.

I ain't gonna steal their CPU

Eitherway Imma delid so idc anymore

[gentle valley]

Can someone sanity check my cpu temps. Cooler is a apx90-47 full copper. Those were in while running the cyberpunk benchmark:

This is at idle:

Mobo reported max CPU temp of 74

[proper jasper]

on the slightly high side of normal (but still normal)

[gentle valley]

Thanks!

[young thorn]

My computer makes a "click" sound

On the psu

And then does not want to turn on

Anyone here had faced something similar?

[proud wagon]

Click on the psu when it turns on can be normal

Not turning on is still a problem

I'd do the usual basic troubleshooting steps before sending your psu back

[young thorn]

i already spent 180$ on an SF750

it was my PSU that did not wanted to turn on

is an strange story

it turned on somehow on the house of my cousin that was helping me

then when i was putting my pc back together again

it did not turned on

my theory is probably a cable that got damaged?

a loss connection with a pin and PSU firing short-circuit protection because of that?

[young thorn]

Lisa: 90c is by design!!

[tough quest]

anyone know my my fan is making this weird noise?

this is without running anything

[wary bough]

GPU is powering on, but no display.

Any ideas?

[nova summit]

Sounds like a broken fan bearing

[nova summit]

Does it post?

[wary bough]

No.

Well, motherboard has a white light after boot.

[nova summit]

White is probably GPU (at least on many boards) so it doesn't detect the GPU. Have you tried the iGPU if you have one?

[wary bough]

Not yet.

It's my brother's, just trying to help him out, but I'm not home.

[young thorn]

fan dead

replace it with a noctua

[young thorn]

It seem to be fine

The PSU

Or it seems

[proud wagon]

Yes

That's what I said

[young thorn]

A friend of mine insists that the PSU is damaged that it does not work

[proud wagon]

No

[young thorn]

That i should get rid of it to the trash

But i should never use it again

From his opinion

[proud wagon]

Ok

He's wrong

Something's wrong and it's not ur psu

[young thorn]

Weird thing is that the computer has been working normally

With the other psu

[wary bough]

Okay, weird thing happened with a PC I was working on.

Booted at first, then just shit itself randomly after the second boot.

Stuck on the white light during the boot process.

Could Eco Mode on a 5900X fuck something up?

[nova summit]

That would be new to me

[wary bough]

Could it be the PSU?

[nova summit]

White light is usually GPU but check the manual to be sure

[wary bough]

Yeah, it's VGA.

I wonder if I should clear CMOS.

[nova summit]

Worth a try

[wary bough]

When in doubt, clear CMOS.

It worked.

Trying the same settings again to see if the issue persists.

[young thorn]

you fucked up some settings on bios clearly

keep your motheboard jumper in hand in case you fuck it up again

[wary bough]

You mean my screwdriver?

All I did was set Eco Mode and set the RAM timings to their proper speeds.

[proud wagon]

💀

i bet you didn't change every subtiming lmao

Bro the ram was given an impossible assignment

[wary bough]

Meant to say RAM speed, not timings.

[proud wagon]

Yeah

Set an engine's RPM limiter from 3,800 to 8,000 and floor it

see what happens :)

[wary bough]

Yeah.

[proud wagon]

(kabooumsh)

[wary bough]

I love burning a hole in my block.

[proud wagon]

All the subtimings need to be adjusted with the speed with the speed profiles

[sleek knoll]

Can a thunderbolt 4 port connected with a usb4 port create a network bridge?

[proud wagon]

theoretically it should be able to, I do not know how it would be done though.

good luck!

[sleek knoll]

Thank you, I have been stuck with a issue connecting a z790 mobd with ms01 minipc over a thunderbolt 4 port and a usb4 port, should I create a thread for this issue or keep going here?

[fossil root]

Has anyone experienced 2-3 seconds of black screen when tabbing out of a game in a dual monitor setup? Turning off G-Sync seems to resolve this for me but I'm wondering what the root cause is

[half zephyr]

Hi I have a ssd in an enclosure that I would like to put in a motherboard, do I need to format it or can I just put it in and keep all my data?

[nova summit]

You can add it as secondary drive and access the data

[half zephyr]

Thank you!

[potent jungle]

Try borderless gaming app instead of native borderless. Some games are iffy

[glacial thorn]

Hello, just bought a second hand fractal ridge and it didnt have the motherboard standoffs anyone know how to get replacements

[proper jasper]

Uh. Sec.

@stone smelt do you perchance have the dimensions for the mobo standoffs in the ridge?

I assume m3, but I don't know the body/shank length.

[wet sparrow]

I’m getting the black screen issues with a etc 4090 and a 4080 super. I can run the computer like normal if I have the hdmi plugged into the motherboard but plugging the hdmi into the GPU I get a black screen after posting from bios

[proper jasper]

Partlist pls

[wet sparrow]

4090FE
9800x3d
64gb 6000mt skill flare ram
B650e-i
Corsair sf 1000
4tb crucial t705
4tb western digital sn850 black

Think i fixed it

I’m scared to reboot

[proper jasper]

Oh?

[wet sparrow]

I downloaded drivers from 2 updates ago and didn’t fix it but i downloaded the drivers from December of 24 and it worked

[proper jasper]

Also side note, you on a riser cable?

[proud wagon]

Either HDR or fullscreen stuff.

[wet sparrow]

No I’m directly plugged into

The mobo

I do notice when it was a black screen issues could hear the dashboard ding and startup and the HDR prompt would show on my screen

[deft oyster]

My GPU fan (5080) is grinding against the side of my case (terra). I can't move the spine anymore or the CPU cooler won't fit. Anything I can do?

[proud wagon]

Get a bit of something inbetween

Stack 5 post its between

[half zephyr]

Is it normal for the front IO of a fractal terra to be charging a smartphone slowly?

Using a b650i with the case included front IO connectors, the USB A port charges my phone super slow and sometimes can't register a USB thumbdrive

Reconnected the USB A IO cable and it seems to be able to register my thumbdrive now but charging is still super slow

[proper jasper]

Slow is normal, standard USB is 2.5w which is... Not much by modern charging standards

Not registering tells me it might be worth a check of the connections

[wooden tide]

uhhh

there is a utility to force 10w

but it's made by Asus and looks like it's from 2006

https://www.asus.com/me-en/supportonly/am1i-a/helpdesk_download/

Asus Ai charger

if your motherboard can't push 10w it triggers windows ocp and it just shuts off the port

[frail sequoia]

totally possible unfortunately and you do not want to force it. The 0.8mm thick pcbs of the ssd won't like it.

Woah, that post is so old. Why'd discord bring me back 2 years

I'm from the future

[dry garden]

Haha damn brings me back

[solar saffron]

pc literally vibrating all of a sudden what could cause this

dont think its the cpu or gpu fan as when i manually set any rpm that vibration isnt there

[wraith niche]

Anything tangled in motors

Psu?

[feral cypress]

Just did a brand new from scratch build and HWInfo is showing my virtual memory usage super high. Goes to 99.7% while gaming but no stability issues. Didn't happen in windows 10.

[solar saffron]

was the cpu fan , it died shortly after

3 and a half year old noctua

warranty covered tho am getting a new one

Jerry rigged fix until the new one gets here

[heady hornet]

Hey guys, my PC is crashing while gaming, already changed the NVME to a new one, installed windows
but crashes keep on happening
Maybe a PSU problem?

[proud wagon]

did dju ddu?

[fluid anchor]

I have this strange issue with my secondary nvme which is mounted on the back of the motherboard without a heatsink. I am on my primary Windows nvme and gaming while the primary windows nvme is only 60 degrees. The secondary Linux nvme (which has 0 reads and writes because its unused when on windows) however hits over 80 degrees and when I touch it it feels like im getting burned. I cant figure out why that is.

[fluid basin]

hey can someone help me with my monitor? it says no signal when i turn it on then goes into battery saving mode. i’ve done everything i can think of, like plugging the hdmi cable into the gpu instead of mobo, reseating the ram, trying it without the gpu, making sure everything is plugged in, plugging the hdmi cable into the 2nd slot on the monitor, and making sure everything is plugged in properly.

[half zephyr]

Maybe try a separate cable to check if you have a faulty cable

If its not showing a display at all when you power it on and your pc boots up with no error leds lighting up on the motherboard, its either a faulty cable or the monitor is not set to the right input (IE currently set to register a displayport input when you have a hsmi input instead), although I think most modern monitors can auto detect the input

[sly pagoda]

So i got a PC with a powercolor 6600xt, i got a powercolor 9060xt and it just doesn't work, it doesn't pass the post, nothing displayed on the monitors.
I checked if the card is doa, but it works just fine in my sister's pc.
I tuned down pcie to 3.0 to see if my riser is at fault, no change. I even plugged the gpu directly on the motherboard and still nothing.
Both computers have PSUs that are more than adequate for this card.
My computer is currently working with the old GPU.
My motherboard is a B760I AORUS PRO DDR4

Does anyone have ANY ideas what this could be?

[glass bison]

Good morning, internet users.

I'm building my first computer, and everything seemed to be working perfectly, but then I booted up this monster, and the motherboard flashed a yellow light :( The computer boots without any problems ONLY when I insert one specific RAM stick into the last (CPU) DIMM slot. There's always an error in the other slots. Even if I insert the second stick, I'll put it in the last slot.

Specifications:

• Processor: Intel Core Ultra 7 265k
• Cooling: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 Digital
• Motherboard: ASRock B860M Pro RS WiFi
• RAM: Patriot Viper Venom 2x32GB DDR5 6000MHz CL30
• SSD: Western Digital Blue SN580 2TB NVME M.2
• Graphics card: MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus 12GB 2X
• Case: Jonsbo Z20
• Power supply: Corsair RM750x 750W

What I've already tried:

• all memory configurations in all slots: without XMP, with XMP 6000MHz, with XMP 5600MHz
• BIOS update to the latest version
• installing the operating system and all drivers
• loosening the CPU cooler screws
• removing the CMOS for 10 minutes
• blowing compressed air into the DIMM slots
• waiting over 30 minutes for something to happen (nothing happened)
• ...probably more, but I forget

I don't know what could be wrong, but I think it's a bit unlikely that all three memory slots wouldn't work on the motherboard. But the fact that one memory stick works in the latter and the other doesn't is also strange. Worst case scenario, could the CPU pins be slightly bent?

I've tried almost everything, and still nothing. I have no idea what the problem could be. The motherboard should support 64GB and 6000MHz, so no. I know what's wrong.

By the way, sometimes when I have the "bad" RAM stick that doesn't work in the fourth slot, inserted by itself, the computer turns off and on constantly instead of just running endlessly. Maybe it's a problem with the one RAM stick I bought, but what could possibly go wrong with such a stick?

Please help, my dear friends ❤️🥺

[potent jungle]

mobo does not support that memory config https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/B860M Pro RS WiFi/index.asp#MemoryARLK

Could try at CL 36 @ 6000

[glass bison]

Hm but its only the ones they tested right? I see that theyve got a lot of 2x32 models that are 6000 cl30 that are supported, even 6400 cl32

I think it should be fine

[slate lava]

Recently did a MB, CPU, RAM swap in my rig and after the swap my peripherals (keyboard and mouse) are having trouble to stay connected to my pc (flickering on and off or just disconnecting when playing or normal web browsing). Noticed the issue is only affecting the USB 3.1 gen 2 on the back of my MB but the 2.0 ones are fine. It's an "ASUS ROG Strix B850-I Gaming WIFI". Additionally I sometimes get a notification from windows that "the device is not recognized" or something like that. What I've tried so far: Tutorials, windows clean install, reinstalling drivers. Is it 4 faulty USB ports? windows thing? anyone got experience with this? Help needed.

Edit: Late reply, I know... Did what Taky below suggested and it sadly didn't improve my situation. So after going back and forth reinstalling windows, updating bios and reinstalling my drivers countless times... I found the problem. My 2 usb 3.0 ports on the front of the case were on the same USB root hub which were interfering with the USB 3.0 ports on the back. After unplugging the front case USB 3.0 ports everything seem to work properly!

[wraith niche]

Personally I would try to update your driver's, or alternatively if you have another drive laying around, reinstall windows on that and see if the issue persists.

I had a similar issue, and conflicting drivers were the cause.

[reef tendon]

anyone know why bluetooth audio would suddenly sound like shit
its been plaguing me recently and my headset went from handy to use in bluetooth mode(5.1) and now I literally cant use it for anything if theres more than a single audio channel or the audio becomes quiet and low quality
and it doesnt even revert back if I close every other open program it just stays like that

[random smelt]

Popcorn, do u have problem with ur m2 slot on this board? I built my pc 2 days ago, yesterday i turned it on and i restart the pc, suddenly the bios no longer detected the ssd.. I tried to put the ssd to other pc, it worked. Googling it, see many similar problem with other users. 😣

[random smelt]

My 8700f also like this. Idle never below 40

[slate lava]

I did not have a problem with my m.2 slot, I am however runing a singular ssd on the back of the mb. so don't know how much help I can be there... When I got the board the bios version was from 1 year ago so updating my bios did fix some issues and improved stability.

[random smelt]

Oh m2 2 slot right? Ok

[burnt zenith]

Idk what caused my pc to restart, it has been like this 2 times

When I was running a game, it starts stuttering then it just freeze and crash, then this appears (not my screenshot, but the text looks exactly like this)

It has been happening 2 times, last night and this morning

[arctic fiber]

Hiya guys. Im trying to revive an old system with a Z370 chipset and I cannot get it to posi if there is an NVMe drive (zeroed or not) installed in any of the slots.

I checked the manual by a kind persons suggestion, however the only conflict was SATA6_1 which I have unplugged.

[livid urchin]

One buddy of mine got pretty old PC, and recently it started to drop random stutters in basically any game, even old games with high overall fps
CPU: i7 9700
GPU: 2080 SUPER
we cannot really understand source of the problem, is it caused by CPU or GPU?
both are NOT running hot
he believes it all started after a BIG stutter happened in Helldivers 2

[reef tendon]

Anyone available to help me sort out an issue with a Dell XPS rn
I haven't used it in some time and the Cmos is apparently dead, shouldn't stop it from booting/posting though should it?
It gives a 3 amber 1 white led loop and boot loops which according to their support website is a Cmos battery issue

How do I go about booting without the Cmos, or can I try and reseat it if it's maybe just a dust issue since it's a little dusty

Everything is spinning up and turning on it's just not posting

[left geyser]

does anyone happen to know if the ASUS ROG B650E-I motherboard has any lights if the PSU is connected and working? my pc won't boot and I think it could either be the PSU or motherboard, but haven't tested.

[zenith comet]

Just connect some argb stuff to the Header - on default it should light up in rainbow barf - otherwise there are the debug LED’s near the 24-Pin connector which should cicle during boot

[left geyser]

It’s been months but I did manage to fix it — I just had to open the case and power cycle the PSU for whatever reason

[rain flame]

anyone with a jonsbo d32 found they can't use ports on their gpu cos the case overlaps? any solutions? I can use displayport but not the others. gpu is sapphire pure 9060 xt

[left willow]

myfault.sys is wild

[balmy belfry]

Has anyone had this issue where the Terra's power button just stays pressed? I've had it for about a month now with no issues, but all of a sudden the power button won't move back out.

I found this old thread about it but there's no useful information there https://www.reddit.com/r/FractalDesign/comments/1d2r7h8/fractal_terra_power_button_stuck/

[slender remnant]

I have an og meshlicious and I want to do the motherboard standoff mod. I bought m3 20mm+6 standoffs, but they don’t go all the way into the standoffs that were included. Should I have bought standoffs with shorter threading? I see most references for the mod use 6mm standoffs no problem so I’m confused

[visual geyser]

Pc seems to not want to boot to windows or even the bios screen fans just spin up and stay that way. Doesn’t seem to be outputting any signal at all.

Ryzen 9900x
Nvidia 5070ti
Asrock B850i lightning

I’ve reseated the GPU and riser, all the motherboard cables and ram. Tried getting an image out of the motherboard hdmi and nothing seems to have changed

[unkempt pagoda]

How long have you let it run for?

Memory training can take a good while sometimes

[balmy belfry]

Anybody have any suggestions for how to remove a really stuck screw from the Terra? I've tried multiple different screwdrivers, an electric one, rubber bands, even got a stronger friend to give it a shot, nothing's worked without making it worse by stripping it. My last resort is super glue at this point... Fractal support suggested drilling it out but I don't have access to a drill.

[unkempt pagoda]

Are you able to grip the head with a pliers?

[balmy belfry]

I don't think I'd be able to get enough purchase? It's a small screw attaching the front of the case to the bottom and it's very close to the panel

It's the left one here

My friend tried with an electric screwdriver with a rubber band and that worked for one problematic screw, but we haven't been able to get that to do the job for this one

It was already partially stripped after a bunch of tries but now it's almost fully stripped

Super glue was unsuccessful, and I noticed that there's definitely something up with these screws because even putting back the other problem screw took too much effort

[unkempt pagoda]

I assume you dont have a dremel?

Could cut a slot into the head for a flat head screwdriver

[balmy belfry]

Nope, no tools. Didn't even have a screwdriver set until I bought an ifixit kit to see if different sizes would get the job done

I could go buy pliers I suppose to try if they're cheap enough at the nearby hardware store

[sly sparrow]

Hey I would be super grateful if I could get some assistance 🙂 so, I have bios up and running, and everything is detected: cpu, gpu, SSDs, ram, etc. But i cant seem to enable CSM for initiating boot (i have oldish SSDs), and it wont detect it specifically for booting. New mobo is ASUS ROG STRIX B860-I. Can provide further specs if necessary. I have tried following this video for enabling CSM: https://youtu.be/M-PlTos1_wQ?si=vh4gE0EPkBjViIcM

So my issue is "The System cannot find any bootable devices"

Edit: FIXED by using a USB windows to boot, nuking C:, and restoring with Macrium.

[woven scarab]

Maybe this is a simple problem but I am truly lost. Not sure which place to post this. I’m assembling the NCASE T1 v2.5. The case will be set for a 2.75 card which requires 35mm offset. There is space keeping me from securing the second screw on the GPU strut. Check out the pictures - what am I doing wrong? Does an offset need to be used as in the last picture?

[delicate jungle]

My windows 10 PC suddenly broke itself. Recently it shows bluescreen saying WATCHDOG VIOLATION, not sure if that's driver issue or not. Sometimes it just hangs & nothing responding, not even the mouse, it usually happens when the screensaver is playing.

Any pointers on what the issue could be? Driver issue? GPU issue? CPU overheating?