Offering help with bass stuff

[random tundra]

yeah

thats cool

how do u identify the way ur doing it with a bass?

old vibration? he changed it?

[fervent crow]

hardly lmao

like its there

for sure

but its more background

try taking the clicky texture (the aryepiglottic folds) and imagine pushing more air spacifically into that, and either widen that area or tighten

[random tundra]

holy shi I think I just found out poly chest

@fervent crow u can hear the low volume second pitch?

this shi is way harder than double inward idk why

with chest bass I need to get way more higher than inward

I got it vocalized but my mic exploded mid recording 😭

@fervent crow is this it??

[fervent crow]

should theoretically be easier

[fervent crow]

sounded like it

[random tundra]

I need to push it more

but my parents are sleeping and I don't want to awake anybody lol

[random tundra]

kinda feels like the way u push the high note is different

idk because I don't even know if im really doing poly chest

but maybe it is

[random tundra]

this one was perfect but my mic fcked everything

[narrow pike]

what are you even using as mic

[random tundra]

lmao

just my headset

[narrow pike]

get a better one

cleaner input for audacity

[random tundra]

im broke

[narrow pike]

I think me might have developed a weird tilted chest bassy thing on top of his vibration or sum

[random tundra]

didn't noticed that

[narrow pike]

its not super easy but once you have a little experience with breathy voice it comes rather naturally, the airflow is just way more uninterrupted when leaving your lungs and flexing your diaphragm can help

its also a doorway for many different polys

bernoullis principle or sum

[fervent crow]

I can like hardly.do it. But idk how he does it qt that interval

[random tundra]

OMFG

Sounds so majestic

@fervent crow whats the theory behind fry subs?

[idle dagger]

what is this bruh

[random tundra]

Overtone singing

[idle dagger]

sounds rly weird for overtones

[fervent crow]

That its a vocalized vocal fry

[fervent crow]

Its spacifixally double overtone singing

Also done with the lips rather than the tongue like normal

[idle dagger]

doesnt make sense

[fervent crow]

Makes perfect sense actually

[idle dagger]

the notes are A4, B4, C#5

all around half flat

[fervent crow]

Mhm

[idle dagger]

therefore the highest fundamental required to get those notes is A1 i believe

i dont hear anything low like that at all

[fervent crow]

Dont think so? One of the notes is the voice, also overtones can be done on a range of pitches away from the voice

[idle dagger]

continue explaining

[fervent crow]

David larson did a vid awhile back of him layering subharmonics

And he included an overtone, and he demonstrated how overtones pitch can be fully controlled seperate from the voice

And thats with normal tongue based overtones

Because at a base level, an overtone is essentually just a whistle caused from vibrations/harmony of your voice rather than spacifically air

Its just theres not as many names for overtones as there is thw inbetweens of undertones

You can also see there how the corners of his lips hes doing the overtones from, one is much tighter then the other

That one is where i presume the highest note is coming from

[idle dagger]

wait so inharmonic overtones are possible?

[fervent crow]

Technically yes

[idle dagger]

fuuuuck

[fervent crow]

Same way inharmonic basses are

[idle dagger]

god damn

new sidequest unlocked

[fervent crow]

Lol

Its not hard to control overtone pitches

Its tongue position based

[idle dagger]

i mean inharmonic overtones

like the ones he is doing

i know how to do normal high overtones (sygyt)

[fervent crow]

Ye

Its wild his is inharmonic, but in a powerchord way

So its still heavenly

[random tundra]

i mean

wtf happens in ur throat when u do it

[random tundra]

its more close to an Aadd9

but without the 5th

powerchords are 2 notes, the fundamental and the 5th

[fervent crow]

your vocal chords oscillate simular to how the false folds do for throat bass, ofc slower, and clickier due to the vocal chords being more caralidge than flesh

but just the tip of the vocal chords

then the base of the vocal chords are doing the main voice

so kinda imagine quickly flapping a piece of fabric in wind

[random tundra]

so the base of the vocal chords are doing the main voice while the tip of it get slower?

[fervent crow]

its why on my diagram i do vocal fry on the very edge

[fervent crow]

that is our theory yes

also helps explain why subharmonics are so weirdly hard to control

[random tundra]

yeah makes sense

because u would be only changing the pitch of the tip of the vocal chords

[fervent crow]

mhm

actually can also compare it to poly vocal bass

the base of the uvula is doing a tighter vibration and the bottom is oscillating much slower

[random tundra]

poly vocal bass is such a weird ideia

like

only the uvula doing 2 pitches is something weird af

[fervent crow]

lol

yet youve heard me do it :)

[random tundra]

ye lol

[zinc laurel]

can you entirely remove throat bass from vibration bass?

[fervent crow]

theoretically yes

physcally rn... not really?

[little salmon]

Sub bass whistle.

[narrow pike]

the vocal cords arent cartilage, made up of the vocalis muscle, ligaments and layers of mucous membranes

[random tundra]

wtf is this slizzer bass

reminds me of 3rd sub throat bass

maybe its some kind of high octave chest bass

[fervent crow]

Well they looked like it

[little salmon]

Maybe chest bass with throat basd

[fervent crow]

Sounds closer to that

[fervent crow]

Def isnt

[random tundra]

ye

[random tundra]

so its prob that

a high octave 3rd sub chest bass

[fervent crow]

doesnt overtly souuund like 3rd sub to me tho

i hear 2 distinct pitches

something you dont get with 3rd or 1st sub

[random tundra]

remember that the 1st sub is the fundamental boi

[fervent crow]

OH

yeah

gah

[random tundra]

lol

[fervent crow]

can we just use undertones instead of subharmonics now- lmao

[random tundra]

aah ok

[fervent crow]

so its 2nd undertone

[random tundra]

ye

[fervent crow]

tha makes more sense

[random tundra]

yeah lol

[fervent crow]

my new longest time for vibration

wild effect with the main vibration never changing but the pronounciation almost adding ontop of it

[fervent crow]

@idle dagger

[idle dagger]

that sounds pretty normal

[fervent crow]

just me changing overtone pitches

thas all

[idle dagger]

ok

nothing special

[fervent crow]

dont needa be rude about it- lol

[idle dagger]

:v

[narrow pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1186952256109694997/1311031812780195912/twitter_1860104412028633407.gif

[calm kayak]

what is the last bass soso did? and how do i learn it

Are the other 3 just inward bass textures?

[fervent crow]

Beleive they are all forms of double inward fry

Honestly great example of ways fry can rival inward bass

[random tundra]

@fervent crow do you know about khovu kargyra?

I wonder if its possible to do vibration bass with it

[fervent crow]

I mean, if it uses false folds

Yeah

[random tundra]

its like

a super constricted throat bass

its super constricted

[idle dagger]

that's such a weird throat bass

[random tundra]

its a throat singing technique

[fervent crow]

Vant listennnow

But probs simular to what galush did to do throat bass for like 40 seconds or smth

[random tundra]

no its way more constricted

its normal kargyra/throatbass with khoomei voice constriction

[fervent crow]

OH that sounds alot likw the stereotypical throat singing people use

[calm kayak]

how do i achieve double inward fry?

[fervent crow]

besides doing inward fry but twice...

idk a greeaat method

kinda doin a higher inward fry, then straining it alot?

like really pushing it

or doing that with a lower fry

idk

the main method besides just doing low fry + high fry is kinda just hyperstraining your fry and using more air

[random tundra]

def doesnt sounds like that

its way more constricted

[fervent crow]

The hard part is the voicw constriction

Though... That might fit into what we call over vocalized throar bass

[random tundra]

hmm

I was thinking about it, and doing kargyra this constricted wouldn't make vibration bass go lower subs?

[fervent crow]

If it allready isnt going vibration

Idk

It sounds like its a different kind of constriction

Like more voice constriction, almost like yelling

[random tundra]

its the same type of constriction of khoomei voice

the voice used in khoomei and sygyt styles of throat singing

ignore that im forwading these audios from this throat singing server, my mic broke and its better to do this instead of recording it with my phone mic

[narrow pike]

yo i found the method to unslime my throat after inward bass

lock epiglottis and just do a prolonged rough exhale or grunt

[random tundra]

nice

for me, clearing my throat does the job

just a normal hm-hm

[narrow pike]

for me not at all sometimes

cus sometimes itll like turn from normal saliva into like the heavier mucus the more ive been doing it

honestly this might now enable me to train inward more

[random tundra]

nice

[random tundra]

my swallow inward is getting less slimey too

this shi was sounding like a diarrheia before

[narrow pike]

nice

ye fr

inward bass top 1 most disgusting sounds to do

locked especially

[random tundra]

nah my normal inward is pretty nice to do

only the swallow one that feels a bit shi

[narrow pike]

ye i think im just kinda sensitive to ts for whatever reason

kinda annoying

[idle dagger]

liquid bass would like to know your location

[fervent crow]

liquid bass isnt that bad

unless you mean disgusting as in good

whats truely a disgusting sound to do, not in a good way, is inward + uvula

[random tundra]

for me is normal

[fervent crow]

Sorry, spacifically locked inward + uvula

:)

[idle dagger]

oh hell nah

how do you even do that

[fervent crow]

with difficulty

[random tundra]

yeah its a bit more difficult

mainly because im not that good with swallow/locked inward

[fervent crow]

would be grimier if i had warmed up at all today

[idle dagger]

eughhhhhh

[random tundra]

I just realized I can do that

but sounds pretty shi tbh

@fervent crow do u have any ideia on getting this shi evil bass sounding good?

my evil bass sounds like this since the day I got it

any method that I try to get evil bass I get this shi sound

[random tundra]

I got it last year btw

[fervent crow]

Thats one loose evil bass

Try to do it higher up

Not actually but imagining it

[turbid stream]

@fervent crow I SOMEHOW VOCALIZED DOUBLE INWARD

The high pitched note is actually really quiet

It's hard af to maintain the bass while vocalizing it

But u still can hear it

[fervent crow]

Woah irs carlos 2

[turbid stream]

Yeah lmao

My phone account

[fervent crow]

Lol

[turbid stream]

I use this account as a microphone noe

Now

While I use my headset on the pc

[turbid stream]

Ye ye

[turbid stream]

Like

U have to vocalize the high pitched inward first

Then push it

But feels so bad to vocalize this high pitched note

I need to master this shi

[turbid stream]

I also figured out how to make inward bass and falsetto the same note by doing this

Vocalizing high pitch inward bass notes feels really bad

But sounds pretty cool

[turbid stream]

What I think that is happening here

[turbid stream]

Is this thing

• the lower note with the double inward

And that would be why the high pitched note is not coming out so loud

It works more like a new layer

Just making it fuller

Instead of regulsr falsetto inward that the main thing is the high pitched note

[unkempt drum]

Been chatting with carlos a bit tryna get to that point where the vocalised chest bass hits - it aint hitting, it's absent

Main issue I'm having is that I'm always tightening the throat when doing the Kermit position - I'm aware that the throat is supposed to be relaxed when doing it, but I can't seem to naturally do it - Any tips?

[fervent crow]

Ah

So you have the same issue as me

You dont get any sound without tightening your throat

[narrow pike]

skill issue mayhaps

hit up your ent imo and ask if he can show you the laryngoscopy screen or whatever

let you take a pic

learn kermit voice first tho

ayo @low girder hit unvocalized crythix bass inward, crazy feeling

shi stunned me when i did it the first time lol

[fervent crow]

Ultrahigh lip osc

[turbid stream]

Is this close to twoh inward bass?

[random tundra]

actually I don't think it is lol

[random tundra]

but atleast this sounds good

[narrow pike]

iirc two h is inward breathy voice evil bass

[random tundra]

idk

[narrow pike]

you do sound somewhat close imo

kindreds vid has it

[random tundra]

I just watched pono tutorial

[narrow pike]

as always

[random tundra]

and he says its a gasp with inward bass

[random tundra]

yeah I watched it

I think I need to see it again actually

[random tundra]

its inward breathy voice throat bass

shi

I think im doing breathy iinward bass

[narrow pike]

perchance

i mean inward throat kinda hard either way

[random tundra]

yeah im not going to learn that

lol

[narrow pike]

when i start training inward more imma start levelling inward chest then inward evil and inward throat last

[random tundra]

sounds way clicker than my variation

[random tundra]

I still don't understand the difference of the sound of normal inward bass and inward chest

prob because the only reference is den

and he does fry with it

[narrow pike]

i guess regular inward is inward evil

[random tundra]

yeah

it is

[narrow pike]

inward chest is actually kinda the easiest imo

and least gag prone

[random tundra]

idk

I don't even know how to differentiate them tbh

[narrow pike]

i mean for inward chest stuff its pretty easy cus the position barely changes at all

the rest idrk either

my guess is inward evil feels very low and central and the furthest back your can get

inward throat same thing as inward evil just a tad more forward

also jayton voice arytenoid position

[random tundra]

omg I got something that sounded exactly like it for like

4 secs

nah forget it

it doesn't even sounds similar lmao

[random tundra]

makes sense

[turbid stream]

I think I just made it clicker somehow

[random tundra]

maybe with more gasp on it

yeah its not what I was aiming for but stills sounds good

I think I will use this

maybe I can double inward with the gasp on it

[narrow pike]

it does resemble it pretty well

[fervent crow]

(Still tryna get double inward)

[random tundra]

I think ur not getting high enough

how high can u get?

[random tundra]

yeah, but it stills different

[narrow pike]

obv

you just tried doing it today for the first time i suppose

[random tundra]

actually not the first time I try

but the first time I actually got a bass from it

[narrow pike]

even if youre hitting the same technique it takes some time to get cleaner

[random tundra]

ye ye makes sense

btw @fervent crow

idk why but my 4th sub vibration bass is different

I was speaking with @narrow pike yesterday

and the subs doesnt even change at all on the spectrograph

and sounds fuller than normal

which is good

but weird

[fervent crow]

Without vocalizing, that high

[random tundra]

can u record an audio of it?

would be better

like

just going high with inward, without trying to make it double

[fervent crow]

i did it twice in there lol, like the start i was me going high

have ot also realize i can hardly do tight inward

ive done loose inward for my whole career

[low girder]

wuh

i tried it and got some sick ass inward

[narrow pike]

thats what im sayin ‼️

why dat so quiet tho

[low girder]

idk

[narrow pike]

maybe my phone bugging

[low girder]

nah it quiet on my side too

one sec

[narrow pike]

my phone was bugging now its louder

discord some hot ass

[narrow pike]

bruh im actually so hyped when i get back home

poly chest is such a breakthrough its kinda nuts

[low girder]

dude

that inward

that would be so powerful on stage

[narrow pike]

yesss man

[low girder]

im like rewatchign the clip

and omg

[narrow pike]

poly chest is just so loud in and outward its crazy

i did one second of poly sub + crythix today

[low girder]

damn

sick

[narrow pike]

you would not believe the volume on that

i have yet to try it with high poly tho

[low girder]

i cant even do poly

[narrow pike]

get on it

gamechanger

[low girder]

i got it for like

a second

as you can tell i was very confused

[narrow pike]

lmao

learn breathy voice and the polys do themselves

[random tundra]

yeah thats def not high enough

I didn't even notice u was trying to make it high pitched tbh

[random tundra]

should be more close to this

[random tundra]

thats nasty af

[random tundra]

LMAOO

[fervent crow]

thats the highest ive ever gotten it

otherwise it goes vocalized

[random tundra]

practice it

[fervent crow]

have been

[random tundra]

its not that hard

[fervent crow]

for the past like 2 months

[random tundra]

nice

[random tundra]

damn

[unkempt drum]

I'm so stupid, I uploaded a recording of my vibro bass instead of my incorrect chest bass XD

Here it is

Pretty sure I'm actively tightening my throat whilst doing the kermit voice position and I'm unsure as to how to break from it

[random tundra]

@fervent crow can u do double vocal fry?

[fervent crow]

Ya

Hate doin it

But ya

[random tundra]

can u teach me how to do it?

[random tundra]

yeah u def is tightening it

[unkempt drum]

Is this a loose vocalised outward snore bass?

1st burst: Inward Snore
2nd burst: Outward Snore
3rd & 4th: Vocalised Outward Loose Snore

[fervent crow]

So i dislike the name snore bass

Partially because its used for 2 sounds

But also cause its just nasal uvula bass

And that is nasal vocal uvula bass

[unkempt drum]

Do any well-known beatboxer like to use it?

[sleek igloo]

Balistix

[fervent crow]

Balistix sometimes... Ale also did a variant of it

And routrine technically uses a variant of it for routrine bass

[zinc laurel]

didnt snore bass rip dlows uvula

[fervent crow]

He used what i call snore bass, + liproll

[random tundra]

I guess that is a no

lmao

[fervent crow]

Oh, its a yeah

Sorry just busy as heck

[random tundra]

lol np

[random tundra]

so how I do it? same high pitched thing as double inward bass?

[fervent crow]

Essemtually yeah

Super high and tight fry + a low and loose one

[random tundra]

how do u even get high with fry without vocalization?

I feel like I can do 2 pitches only

[fervent crow]

Eeeh vocalization is weird eith inward fry tbh

[stuck stump]

Wait what part is vibrating when you snore?

Or like when u make a snoring sound

[turbid stream]

Am I doing poly sub right?

[turbid stream]

Uvula

[narrow pike]

its not super clean but its there yes

1 tip

maybe try practicing it with a closed mouth first

its way easier for me to hit a good poly sub with closed mouth

[random tundra]

this sounds is uncomfortable af

[random tundra]

yeah its better

and its not that loud as u guys said earlier

pretty much the same volume as my throat bass

[narrow pike]

really?

for me not at all

[random tundra]

yeah

[turbid stream]

Oh shi my computer turned off and now its beeping

Wtf

[turbid stream]

Especially with mouth open

Feels weird asf

I just really don't understand why it's not loud like u guys was saying

[narrow pike]

its a little louder than throat bass for me

but it was quiet as well in the beginning

it gets way louder when layered with other stuff

[random tundra]

ah ok

makes sense

[random tundra]

yeah its pretty much the same as throat bass for me

only bass I can get really loud is chest

I can pretty much yell with it

this shi funny af

[fervent crow]

It can be sometimes uncomfy for even me

Its a weird position and oscillation

[narrow pike]

im just the goat apparently

[fervent crow]

Espessially when i make it fuller

[narrow pike]

i dont get that feeling at all

maybe cuz im a smoker or sum idk

hardened vocal cord or sum

[fervent crow]

Usually early stage smoking either makes basses easier to get or harder

Something i noticed for alot of sounds

More destroyed i make my throat, yhe better they are

Smokers throats are almost allways in that state

Just dont get to subharmonikz point of losing half his basses from smokinf

[random tundra]

lmao

[narrow pike]

yea nah ion smoke that much

30 bong hits a day? hell nah

[fervent crow]

Lol

[narrow pike]

maybe it accelerates the formation of scar tissue to a certain extent

[fervent crow]

Thst

You also know my warmul gor throat bass, super constricting my voice and it gets fatter

[random tundra]

this shi ass sound is making me lightheaded 😭

[narrow pike]

ye it uses hella air

especially 2nd undertone

which is actually kinda rusty havent done it in a good while

and thats a bit louder than 1st undertone as well

learn rolling and add that to 1st undertone to go 2nd undertone

[random tundra]

this is the first one?

[narrow pike]

looks like it in a spectrogram

although i have to mention again it looks like your resonance is weird idk

[random tundra]

lmao

[narrow pike]

how old are you btw if you dont mind me asking

[random tundra]

almost 18

[narrow pike]

hmm ok

im just looking for any reason why it looks like that

like for like all stuff ive put in a spectrogram it at least looks quite a bit resemblant, ive only seen weird looking stuff when their voice hadnt fully broken yet

like with your stuff i find it hard to even distinctly see the subs

[random tundra]

thats weird

[narrow pike]

normally its a super straight forward process

[random tundra]

yeah

atleast with my chest bass I found it easy to find it

with slizzer and normal chest bass

[narrow pike]

maybe in open posture you dont resonate normally for whatever reason

[random tundra]

shi idkj

3rd sub throat works fine too

[narrow pike]

left is my poly sub right is yours, apart from mine probably just being lower by default you also just have pretty little resonance

no offence im just super confused tbh

[random tundra]

maybe its because mine is super unclean

idk

[narrow pike]

nah i dont think so, well apart from it being deeper by training

even for your vibration bass it just doesnt resonate well

maybe youre doing it very nasally?

[random tundra]

hm

maybe

yeah I think with poly sub atleast

not 100% nasally but also not 100% through the mouth

I already said earlier, this sounds is uncomfortable asf to do

so im just trying to actually make it so I get used to it

[narrow pike]

i tried emulating and it seems raising the back of my tongue looks more similar to yours in the spectrogram

[random tundra]

and this is the way I find out to do it without feeling so damn bad

[random tundra]

but with vibration I don't think so

[narrow pike]

that also has an effect on the epiglottis which also effects resonance very much

[random tundra]

so maybe its the epiglottis posture

but I can't feel that

[narrow pike]

train it

its also just good for chest bass in general

[random tundra]

how

[narrow pike]

first off get a sense if youre moving it at all

[random tundra]

how

lmao

[narrow pike]

in the beginning i did this by locking it and trying to breathe in

[random tundra]

and how do I lock it

lmao

[narrow pike]

double chin, move base of the tongue back

the epiglottis is controlled by the base of your tongue entirely

[random tundra]

aaahn idk what is double chin

[random tundra]

hmmm

[narrow pike]

one sec i made a vid explaining kermit voice, its kinda similar

[random tundra]

ok

[narrow pike]

made that vid on vacation

[random tundra]

oh yeah I think I found out

[random tundra]

if do this I try to make my non swallow inward bass

it tries to go into the swallow variation

which has the locked epiglottis posture

shi almost puked

[narrow pike]

tf

[random tundra]

lol

[narrow pike]

here some more info

[random tundra]

HOLY SHI SO MY ZOMBIE BASS IS LOCKED CHEST

that why it doesnt sounds so much rattly

yeah I think I can feel it now

[narrow pike]

i mean yea you can also legit feel if it makes contact its just a matter of identifying that its that

[random tundra]

yeah with the locked chest bass I really feel the epiglottis clickness

sooo

I was not doing this with poly sub

def not

[narrow pike]

however

it sounds like the base of your tongue was slightly raised

this also curls the epiglottis over the larynx slightly

affecting resonance

[random tundra]

aaahn

lemme record it again

rq

[random tundra]

this is nasally

[narrow pike]

yeah that does sound fuller

and also looks more resonant on the spectrogram

[random tundra]

weird

[narrow pike]

i mean if you train your epiglottis posture youll over time have better resonance

might also be that you have a weird epiglottis shape by default

one that has generally worse resonance

omega shaped comes to mind for that but idrk if it truly makes resonance that much worse, maybe it just affects default epiglottis posture

[random tundra]

lol didn't know this could happen

[random tundra]

tf is omega shaped

the greek letter?

[narrow pike]

ye lol

[random tundra]

lmao

[narrow pike]

hard to check tho which shape you have

without a laryngoscope

[random tundra]

yeah

[narrow pike]

i mean you can stick your tongue out really far and you can see the tip of your epiglottis

[random tundra]

like

down the throat or out?

[narrow pike]

which lets you eliminate omega at least but differenciating between flat and curled is hard

[narrow pike]

out

sorta like your doing a very strained version of this emote

damn

[random tundra]

lmao

[narrow pike]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/OMRZEJWO16IAAAAC/flight-flightreacts.gif

here this gif

bruh

[random tundra]

lol

[wooden cedar]

what does it feel like when youre moving the epiglottis??

I think I got it from the double chin and raise back of tongue explanation but im not sure

[narrow pike]

well just moving it barely feels like anything

its what you make contact with that you can feel

locking epiglottis = stuck to the back of your throat
tilting = contact with cuneiforms

in kermit voice you can also feel a larger portion of your tongues base making contact with the upper side of your epiglottis

[wooden cedar]

ok ty

[compact flame]

can i get that picture of what parts do some basses in ur throat

i think space sent it once here

[narrow pike]

if you want to see them in action kindred harvest theory of vocal bass

otherwise just do ctrl + f here youll find it

[compact flame]

mobile 😬

[turbid stream]

Did I just flipped into 3rd fry sub?

This thing is so inconsistent

[compact flame]

tysm

[fervent crow]

heres a more updated one

[turbid stream]

Is this some kind of polychest?

[random tundra]

I think I hear a low note under the slizzer bass

[fervent crow]

Carlos havint a convo with himself

[random tundra]

lmaooo

[random tundra]

wtf is max bass?

nasal uvula?

[fervent crow]

Beleive its nasal uvula + evil bass

Or its just nasal evil uvula lol

[little salmon]

Does anyone know how to do Joseph — JP/XAPHIRE clicks? It pairs so good with bases kind of off topic but I need the sound!

[narrow pike]

stitch has a tutorial

ive now found out what my "regular" inward is and why i could never clearly sort it into any class, why it felt so massive and also the slime and gag reflex

im actually doing inward zombie bass by apparently curling over my epiglottis too much

never knew that was a thing

[little salmon]

I saw all the tutorials already, I wonder if you're talking about what I call my 1st inward base, it sounds like a zombified version and a few syllables higher

Now that I can do 2 kind of like inward bases, I can make some pretty sick combos with them

[narrow pike]

i mean idk i only found out by shoving an endoscope down my throat

also sadly for the jp clicks i dont think anyone here does them

[little salmon]

That just lets me know not too many people know how to do the clicks

Base related, for like almost a year I was going vibration wrong, I was doing tense voice with vocal fry, now I need to retrain my vibration compare throat bass with tense voice, and lower it.

[little salmon]

@fervent crow vibration any tips

Anyone know how to do the clicks come I don't know nor understand

[fervent crow]

Wdym, tips on getting it, tips on improving it, tips on understanding it

[fervent crow]

@random tundra

Ow

[fervent crow]

My throat is dyig

[random tundra]

oh it is vocalized

I was thinking it was only fry

[fervent crow]

Nah the vocalization is a biproduct thats not overtly vontrolable lol

[random tundra]

wdym

[little salmon]

Shouldn't sound more like throat to base, why is it so high pitch

[little salmon]

@fervent crow do you know what im saying here? By what I mean.

Sorry for the late reply

[fervent crow]

oh

uh big thing that helps

train the crap out of constricted singing until it feels second nature

helps alot with throat bass related stuff

then also

vibration ofc is doing throat bass more so in the same position as the constricted singing

you ultimately arent adding them onto eachother, more merging the ideas of both

[little salmon]

Is it practice makes perfect, or could somebody get it 1st try

[fervent crow]

to get i wouldnt personally say its hard

idk if a person could get it first try

but it is also hard to master for sure

[little salmon]

OK thanks, I'm gonna go train like hell

[fervent crow]

airless liproll bass lmao

not just regular liproll

but no air so not liproll bass-

[random tundra]

thats weirdd

but also explains why u can't get it more high pitched

[narrow pike]

ye

so I just gotta switch away from that

cuz honestly it was super disgusting

also my normal vibration bass is throat bass + chest like I thought

[fervent crow]

ah

you got a camera down your throat?

me next?

[random tundra]

dammn

thats cool ngl

u should send us the recording tbh

[narrow pike]

yee

[narrow pike]

i have to work on my endoscope technique first, atm the angles arent super satisfying

ill have to ask kindred for his trick which got him a more nasal like angle

atm were just discussing whistle production tho

imma bring it up when we vc the next time

[fervent crow]

did you have another person or did you do it yourself

[narrow pike]

myself

[fervent crow]

i think kindred had a 2nd person

so he could get a bit better angles and focus on not dying

[narrow pike]

i mean honestly it isnt that hard, dunno if he had a 2nd person

[fervent crow]

swear i heard more than one voice in the room

[narrow pike]

i can get definite angles still but he mentioned he had some geometry trick which allowed him to get more nasal angles through the mouth

and that i need cuz its hard to capture the quadrate membranes/front vocal cords

[fervent crow]

was gonna say maybe head position stuff but also headposition adjusts basses

[narrow pike]

its more intertwinable than youd think

I can capture pretty much anything as is but once it gets to twang stuff and arytenoid inward rotation thats where it gets unsatisfying

[fervent crow]

lol

[fervent crow]

might needa work on the consistancy lol

tho laying down def doesnt help

[sleek igloo]

I think I might be doing this too cos my swallow inward attempt is still really slimy and inconsistent.

How can you curl your epiglottis less if the goal is to lock it to the back of your throat?

[narrow pike]

for me that inward always did feel weirdly like a flapping around motion and now i know why. curling your epiglottis less isnt exactly needed from what ive found, you just need to really press it against the back of your throat otherwise when doing other inward stuff ontop of it it just gets pulled under and oscillates by itself for me

so if that is truly what youre doing press the epiglottis back more, its not necessarily curling it over much less

for locked inward stuff the epiglottis gets sucked stuck, whereas for "inward zombie" it gets sucked under into a position where it can actually oscillate

actually thinking about it this bass might be closer to a swallow inward than whatever else was getting called that, cuz the epiglottis position for it is very similar to what it does during a swallowing motion letting food/liquid into the esophagus

a way too check if youre doing this inward can probably be: drink something slightly acidic after a session, (i noticed first with lemon tea) if that has a little burning sensation in your throat that doesnt seem normal youre likely doing this inward

cus the part of the epiglottis that drums against the pharynx gets irritated pretty quickly and is also the part food/drinks last pass over before entering the esophagus

[fervent crow]

@random tundra the ending thete is kinda interesting

[random tundra]

trying to get 3rd sub throat?

[fervent crow]

No lol

It wasnt even subharmonic it felt like, i was doing vibration and stopping that higher up vibration

Attempting to leave the yhroat bass on its own

[random tundra]

ah ok

I wasn`t understanding shi

@fervent crow can u send an audio doing constricted voice with falsetto?

I want to get falsetto throat bass and trying to make constricted falsetto without knowing how it should sound is hard

[fervent crow]

Its hard, i cant do it well

Heres something to try

Do falsetto, do a throat bass simular position, and basically scream

Push as hard as you can with that throat bass position

[random tundra]

lmao

I ill try that

ty

[random tundra]

@fervent crow how do u get loose throat bass?

[fervent crow]

With difficulty, idk its one of those things thats simple in concwpt, but hard actualitu

[zinc laurel]

what is loose throat bass

[fervent crow]

Yk how bass singing you loosen your vocal chords?

Its like that but loosing the false folds

And having vocal chorda underneath

[floral flame]

hey does inward bass fall under this category?

if so how can I tell if I'm getting the right sound?

I saw a tutorial that told me to squeeze and push the portion of my throat above my adams apple to initially help with getting the sound by simply breathing inward

from the mouth

and it does seem to work, except i'm unable to tell if the sound i'm producing is the target sound

[random tundra]

can u send an audio of it?

[narrow pike]

inward bass is commonly just anything that isnt the vocal cords vibrating on an inhale

[random tundra]

yea

[narrow pike]

many ways to do this tho it depends what youre aiming for

[fervent crow]

New low inward oh my gosh-

[fervent crow]

Or inward uvula, or clickroll, or tongue roll, or liproll, or yk-

[narrow pike]

ye nvm shouldve added "laryngeal sound"

cus no one really considers those you mentioned inward bass

[fervent crow]

Eh... Actualllytt-

I find alot of people where english isnt their first language consider it all inward bass- cause inward bass just means a bass done inwarda-

[narrow pike]

ok ye i get that but i mean if someones asks you if you can teach them inward bass youre not gonna show them a liproll

[fervent crow]

No lol

But sometimes they say ijward bass and mean one of the inward basses-

Ive had a couple say inward bass when refuring to their clickroll

[zinc laurel]

can i hear what voiceless throat bass sounds like

[fervent crow]

Uuhhh one sec, idk if it will be fully voiceless but it will be close

[turbid stream]

Wtf I just did with my inward

There's like

A high pitched thing on it

But it's not vocalized

I was freestyling and I did inward bass and randomly got this

[floral flame]

It sounds disgusting but this is what i have

[floral flame]

Sent

[random tundra]

sounds like a uvula vibration

not inward bass

inward bass is a little bit lower in the throat than that

[floral flame]

any tips on how to achieve it

if you know how to do it?

i have no idea how to even begin

I've been told to just reverse chest bass but

I have a bass I'm not sure if it's chest bass

[random tundra]

yeah I was about to say that

thats the way I got it

[random tundra]

can u send an audio of it?

[floral flame]

okay hang on

[random tundra]

ok

[floral flame]

sent

[random tundra]

sounds like it

[floral flame]

I've tried to reverse it but I just end up breathing in and there's no vibration

[random tundra]

yeah it can be really hard

learning basses is pretty much trial and error

[floral flame]

is it anything like when you're swimming, but you come out of the water and take a really big breath?

[random tundra]

hmmm

I don't think so

actually im not the best person to help u out with this

I didn't had any problem learning inward

I literally did inward chest and instantly got it

[floral flame]

can you at least try to describe what it feels like?

[random tundra]

feels really similar to inward chest

lmao

@fervent crow help this guy right here

I cant

idk shi about learning inward

[floral flame]

okay then well you could help with chest bass at least right?

[random tundra]

yeah I think ur chest bass is good

[floral flame]

it's good but it doesn't last long

[random tundra]

just try to vocalize it

[floral flame]

at all

[random tundra]

its normal

almost every chest bass uses a lot of breath

but with practice u can get it longer

get a little bit more used to it

and then try to get it vocalized

thats pretty much everything for chest bass to u now

[random tundra]

@fervent crow I kinda hear a zombie bass rattle on it, but maybe im tripping

because it also sounds similar to my locked position chest bass

prob is just locked chest

[floral flame]

Any tips on how to vocalize it? Because my voice isn't really coming through the bass is too airy

[stuck stump]

Wait is polyphonic voice hard

[random tundra]

try to add the bass to the voice instead of trying to add voice to the bass

[fervent crow]

Can be ya

[floral flame]

Is this inward bass? Somebody tell me pls pls

PLEASE SOMEBODY

[random tundra]

yeah sounds like it

[narrow pike]

yes inward

[wooden cedar]

i recall someone said with inward liproll/bass the tongue is supposed to draw the air in?? could someone explain this or correct it if its wrong cuz it made me confused

[floral flame]

YAYYY TYSM FOR YOUR HELP

[floral flame]

Thank you

[random tundra]

yeah u should inhale air

[random tundra]

np

[wooden cedar]

so not drawing in with tongue just inhaling yes?

[random tundra]

u cant do an outwards vibration with ur doing while exhaling bro

if its an inhale, the tongue vibration will be inwards too

same with lips

unless u use tongue/mouth pressure to make it vibrate without air

[wooden cedar]

i know, its just i had heard someone say the tongue draws the air in for inward liproll, and i was confused about that cuz thats not how i draw air in w liproll

[narrow pike]

both is possible, different styles of rolling ones lips

you can also move your tongue while inhaling for different textures

[wooden cedar]

ok ty

[fervent crow]

For airless liproll yeah, but liproll bass doesnt need it

And not necissary for some when doing the basic liproll, i personally find it easier and i can extend it more

But to each their own

[floral flame]

i'm getting short croaks of inward bass fairly consistently now

any tips on how to make it longer?

[brazen elbow]

ive been trying to get hard bass but its not peaking as much as tomaz's

[zinc laurel]

I think I unlocked inward bass. What kind of inward bass is it

[wooden cedar]

ok ty

[zinc laurel]

lowk sounds like vibration bass

[fervent crow]

Sounda like inward bass 👍

Lol

Reminds me of inertia

[fervent crow]

Volume wise?

Just more training, more air, and basically scream it out

[fervent crow]

Practice, and memorizing the position of the croaks

[floral flame]

so just grinding

[fervent crow]

Ya

For most people these basses take time

[floral flame]

okay thanks!

[random tundra]

what I should do to get 3rd subharmonic poly sub?

[fervent crow]

For what?

Oh

Just seperate the notes further

I know thats litterally "how to subharmonic 101"

But yeah

It also does weirdly feel like going vibration bass

[narrow pike]

ive found that to be really hard to do

[random tundra]

yeah I know that

but doing it is way harder than saying this lmao

[random tundra]

wdym

[fervent crow]

Like... Idk

It feels free in a constricted way?

Its hard to describe

[random tundra]

lol

[zinc laurel]

spaceg were you able to get the voiceless throat bass?

[fervent crow]

Idk figuring out false fold evil + arytenoid evil

[fervent crow]

2nd recording

[fervent crow]

@zinc laurel

[zinc laurel]

is there voice in that?

i cant tell if its bass or voice lol

[fervent crow]

Its reallt hard to tell honestly, just because of how close together the muscles are

Personally i dont feel any voice

[gusty iron]

how to hollow liproll

im getting difficulties in keeping throat hollow while breathing air in

[fervent crow]

Hmm... That... Is one of the few sounds I cannot explain well

best i can say is

Really try to breath deeply with your diaphragm

Helps with keepin the voice hollow

Or throat

[tepid comet]

do u know any of storms bass's?

[fervent crow]

I know alot of his basses are pretry simple

[tepid comet]

do u have a tutorial for his inward whistle bass

[fervent crow]

Oh, well thats a simple one eiyher way lol

Just inward whistle + inward

[random tundra]

is this 2nd undertone uvula?

[fervent crow]

oh, sounds like it

surprised you didnt have it- last i checked 2nd undertone is the default-

[random tundra]

I had it but I didnt had control over 2nd and 1st undertone

sometimes I would do a pitch and it would be 1st

sometimes I would do the same pitch and would be 2nd

[fervent crow]

lol

[random tundra]

poly chest I think

but it stopped when I tried to vocalized it

[narrow pike]

it does sound like it

imo poly chest is way easier when vocalized tho

at least it makes the interval more apparent

also makes it more apparent if youre hitting either cuneiform uncleanly

cuz like it loses loudness heavily if unclean and that gets exponentiated by if youre using voice or not

also

neck position is so important its actually nuts

another tip is if it feels or sounds like youre gargling youre even more on the right track cuz poly chest is often accentuated by saliva

[random tundra]

idk I just cant do it

I was trying slizzer + chest before but it doesnt split well

u kinda hear both at once

but it doesnt really split

[narrow pike]

ion know i wouldnt do that

i mean the most important thing for poly chest is that you wanna find the side to which you wanna lean your head first

leaning your head isnt needed but it makes it way easier to get different frequencies for both cuneiforms

[random tundra]

yeah I noticed that

[narrow pike]

also going from primitive unvocalized to vocalized + 2 distinct chest basses took me a good chunk of time

but when it happened it did basically overnight for some reason

cus youll have to learn when youre in tilted neck position how to position and tighten both cuneiforms in such a way that they make a noticable interval while at different distances from the epiglottis

and thats the insanely hard part

mind you i cant pitch it insanely well yet but even basic control just clicked for me some day

[random tundra]

how did u learned it?

[narrow pike]

slicer effect

like some time after learning chest I just started going at it trial and error

then after sometime i noticed that when i vocalize and tilt my head i can sometimes catch a very weird and wobbly oscillation, that turned out to be poly chest like i hoped

[random tundra]

damn

[random tundra]

didnt expected this

[narrow pike]

i started in kermit voice then i just started looking for weird stuff i cam make catch

that weird "gargling" sound is saliva (most of the time) + cuneiforms exchanging pressure with eachother

[random tundra]

I really cant make it go poly with vocalized chest bass

its weird

[narrow pike]

ye true since normal chest bass is very commonly done with just 1 cuneiform its also kinda about finding the position that lets the other one oscillate as well

[random tundra]

I think my best bet is to kinda get used to it unvocalized and them vocalized it since im already getting unvocalize sometimes

[narrow pike]

thats what i thought as well but it wasnt like that for me

like making poly chest catch with the slicer effect feels noticably different from just chest bass and even chest bass can be finnicky to control when unvocalized

[random tundra]

idk chest bass doesnt feel that hard to control for me

I think I can do a scale with it without vocalizing it

lemme try it

[narrow pike]

hmmm

i mean even then

[random tundra]

yeah I can lmao

[narrow pike]

the 2 chest basses are pretty different

like with the cuneiform thats normally inactive you have to make new room for it to not be completely stuck but oscillate as the higher note instead

[random tundra]

oh

I was doing the oposite

like

going high with my normal chest

and then trying to make the other one vibrate lower

like I do with poly inward

[narrow pike]

poly chest is pretty different from poly inward

at least if youre not doing inward poly chest

[random tundra]

thats the way subharmonikz said to me to do it

[narrow pike]

essentially it is a higher and a lower chest bass

but

one on the left and one on the right

poly inward is symmetrical (mostly) while poly chest is asymmetrical

he shown you his neck while he does poly chest?

[random tundra]

no

[narrow pike]

theres 2 ways to make room for the 2nd cuneiform to oscillate
1: Tilt neck sideways
2: Do some jaw muscle fiascos to actively pull the cuneiform away from the epiglottis

subz does the 2nd

[random tundra]

but he showed me while he does vibration chest

and like

one side of his neck pulls out

[random tundra]

ye

prob is the same thing

cause vpc is a type of poly chest

[narrow pike]

ye ye

this is the reason why poly chest is the most versatile bass

[random tundra]

and thats why I wanna get it

[narrow pike]

you have 3 independant notes you can control

[random tundra]

yeaaah

[narrow pike]

you can also add throat bass to make it 4 notes

or poly sub

its cool

but im also not super consistent yet as ive said

[narrow pike]

btw this is the more straining way to do it imo

also kinda hurts my jaw sometimes for whatever reason

[random tundra]

llmao

[random tundra]

I was trying to figure out how to make it with regular chest

but I jsut suck a chest voice poly

[narrow pike]

lol

[random tundra]

other thing

when I get it poly this way

it really split like poly inward

pretty much the same interval

but its way harder to push it outward than inwards idk why

like

u really got to push it to make it

[narrow pike]

i mean that really depends on the specifics of your poly inward

if say its inward evil + inward chest then thats maybe just due to muscle memory

[random tundra]

makes sense

[narrow pike]

also for poly chest definitely try multiple different ways to tilt on both sides

its hard to know which cuneiform is active by default before figuring out poly chest

[random tundra]

good to know

I ill try that

ty

[narrow pike]

np

[random tundra]

@fervent crow my 2nd udnertone throat is not 2nd undertone throat bass

it is an in between sub throat bass with 3rd undertone vibration

weird as hell

but makes sense since I never heard the 2nd undertone interval on it

just belived what u said to me lmao

2nd undertone throat sounds different af

[fervent crow]

I was thinkin that ultimately, cause i was thinking lije "it doesnt sound like 2nd undertone throat bass", butnyou seemed so certain-

[random tundra]

ye lmao

I was thinking it doesnt sounds like it too

[random tundra]

so

this happens when I tilt it to the left

same thing but with slizzer

idk what this should mean

[narrow pike]

sounds about right for poly chest

[random tundra]

which recording?

both?

[narrow pike]

id say yea

slizzer just being a different poly chest sub variation

[random tundra]

oh damn I wasn't expecting that

[random tundra]

ooh cool

[random tundra]

but here kinda sounds like the bass just stops

[narrow pike]

ye that can happen sometimes

[random tundra]

I should push it?

[narrow pike]

later youll have more controll with it

ye push it

[random tundra]

ok

[narrow pike]

also if its louder than most of your other basses thatd also be a good sign