Offering help with bass stuff

[zinc wraith]

i learned that by accident in class

[random tundra]

nah

[zinc wraith]

it uses the same mechanism tho

[random tundra]

I can do actually both

[random tundra]

inward evil is way more tight

[zinc wraith]

oh so just the rattle and ignoring the thickness

[random tundra]

and the dlow inward vibration feels bigger

waaay bigger

and a little bit down on the throat compared to inward evil

[fervent crow]

Man we do NOT explore dual projected vocalized mouth sounds enough

[zinc wraith]

wtf

[random tundra]

tf is the difference

[zinc wraith]

2nd sounds thicker

[narrow pike]

more resonance i guess

[random tundra]

oh yeah now i see it

[fervent crow]

Much thicker, voice comes through more

I can get my tongue bass way softer

[zinc wraith]

projection is actually insanely underrated

[fervent crow]

And a verry slight overtone

I do the same for overtone tongue bass

[zinc wraith]

when it comes to inward bass i only do it through the mouth so i can squeeze it

[fervent crow]

It also just sounds wat more electronic to me

[narrow pike]

dual projection overrated imo, just work with articulated nasality to get just deeper variations

[zinc wraith]

which button do i press for english bruh

[fervent crow]

Dual projection inward kinda mid tbh, doesnt change much

[narrow pike]

lmao

[random tundra]

for me just sounds like there is more bass to it

[fervent crow]

Yall are trippin

[random tundra]

lmaoo

[narrow pike]

ts starts becoming rocket science at some point tbh

[fervent crow]

Just dont get to subharmonikz point and you are good iks

[random tundra]

nah rocket science is easier

[zinc wraith]

it took me 7 months to understand that my goofy uvula rattle was, in fact, not inward bass

🥀

[narrow pike]

ye true lol

[zinc wraith]

i got stuck for another 7 months with the basic inward chest bass.

🥀

[random tundra]

almost everything we know is guesses 😭

[fervent crow]

Educated guesses

Dont undermine it

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

Theres a difference

[zinc wraith]

"idk i just feel it there"

[fervent crow]

One pulls out of your ass, the other you know where to get it from said ass

[random tundra]

but rocket science dont make shi with guesses

[fervent crow]

Yeah lol

[random tundra]

thats my point lol

[fervent crow]

Just dont get to subharmonikz point of getting into the quantum mechanics of harmonies and basses

[random tundra]

bruh I got stuck with throat bass for more than 1 year

[zinc wraith]

🥀

[random tundra]

wtf ur complaining about 😭

[narrow pike]

learn flow and impact airbending is, helps hella with poly sounds 👍

especially poly chest

[fervent crow]

Bro i still canr do chest bass after 2 years

[zinc wraith]

it's been 2 years i still don't have the tomas texture on my hard bass

[narrow pike]

vro howww

[fervent crow]

I got evil bass remember?

[random tundra]

yeah u can complain as much as u want

[narrow pike]

ye

[zinc wraith]

just push it deeper lol!!!!

[random tundra]

lmaoo

[fervent crow]

Evil and chest are too differenr just for me to swith between lmao

[narrow pike]

you just gotta use your cuneiforms instead its not that deep

[fervent crow]

I dont even know hwo it feels

[zinc wraith]

they rly are

its forgetting to chew and you swallow an entire block of cheese

and you feel it travelling through your esophagus

[fervent crow]

The same ol "just so chest bass to do chest bass, simple"

[narrow pike]

exactly

[fervent crow]

YK WHAT SUCKS?? i think i did ACTUALL INWARD CHEST YESTERDAY WHEN MESSING AROUND

If i get INWARD CHEST BEFORE OUTWARD

IMA LOOSE IT

[zinc wraith]

yep thats how i got mine

[narrow pike]

lol

[zinc wraith]

i dont have slizzer but i have dlow ib

[random tundra]

slizzer sucks

forget this bnass

[fervent crow]

ESPESH BECAUSE INWARD CHEST IS LIKE 10X HARDER

[narrow pike]

fr bruh

[random tundra]

pls

[narrow pike]

slizzer ass

[random tundra]

yeah

[zinc wraith]

it sounds funny

like a laser

[fervent crow]

Hey my slizzer is growin on me

[compact flame]

hi guys

[fervent crow]

And dens main bass is a form of slizzer (besides his inward)

[random tundra]

u only get slizzer bass if u wanty to really learn different chest variations

[random tundra]

baboon bass is waay better

[fervent crow]

Yeah ;-;

[random tundra]

hey

[fervent crow]

They are hardly different

[random tundra]

ye

[zinc wraith]

wtf

[fervent crow]

Ones litterally just airier than the other

[compact flame]

any liquid bass tips :)))))))

[fervent crow]

Thats all

[random tundra]

just click roll

[zinc wraith]

just breathe inwards

[random tundra]

with inward

[fervent crow]

Like the clickroll or the clickroll + inward

[compact flame]

the azel

so inward yeah

[random tundra]

yeah

just clickroll with inward bass

[zinc wraith]

i dont know if its the same thing but when i learned high inward bass it took me a while to blend voice + the bass

[compact flame]

i wanna first get the normal one

[zinc wraith]

maybe you just gotta practice doing both at the same time

[random tundra]

I got it pretty fast actually

[fervent crow]

Then yeah the normal liquid bass is a loose clickroll + inward

[narrow pike]

I mean I figured it out by just repeatedly looking at laryngoscopy footage from kindred and really differentiating between growl, grunt and distortion; growl is chest bass obv, grunt is vibration basses (at least I classify it like that), distortion is false cords

[compact flame]

how can i make my clickroll loose

[random tundra]

after 1 week doing it I tried to make it with voice and got it

[compact flame]

just open my mouth a little bit?

[fervent crow]

I tried, but that just got me a more consistant evil

[fervent crow]

That and just overal loosening the tongue

[narrow pike]

how tf bruh

[zinc wraith]

more air less tongue pressure?

hollow throat

[fervent crow]

Hollow throat not required for liquid bass

[zinc wraith]

oh

[fervent crow]

Just for inward OD

[random tundra]

yeah just less tongue pressure I think

[compact flame]

what about the mouth position

[fervent crow]

They are technically the same spot ok-

[random tundra]

jusyt

click roll

the mouth position will not change much

[narrow pike]

I mean last tip is just find where your aryepiglottics stop by doing vibration bass, as the cuneiforms are embedded in the aryepiglottics

[narrow pike]

not really?

[fervent crow]

Yes??

[fervent crow]

The cuneiforms are part of thw arytenoids

And you need to move both inorder to get into position

[random tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/high-school-musical-letter-h-dance-fortnite-epic-gif-13390536

[narrow pike]

ye they sit on top obv but they are more towards the side

[fervent crow]

One is just pressing the arytenoids themselves together, the other just the cuneiforms

[compact flame]

i’ve kinda started to develop it

[narrow pike]

main thing about em

[fervent crow]

Also doesnt help the back of my tongue is allways raised, which does not help chest bass

[compact flame]

okay what about the tomazacre bass, sorry for asking a lot, i’m a beginner and i wanna learn some sounds i find cool

[fervent crow]

Tomaz bass or hard bass is locked evil bass

[narrow pike]

I just view cuneiforms and aryepiglottics the same as corniculates and false cords and arytenoids and true cords

[fervent crow]

Its gonna get advanced

[zinc wraith]

hard bass is a one way ticket to hell

[random tundra]

tomaz bass is an evil bass with the eppiglotis on a locked position

also known as hardbass

[zinc wraith]

i can give you the link to tomazacre's tutorial

[compact flame]

not that, i meant the high pitched throat bass, is it just like how its called or is there some missing info?

[random tundra]

aaash ok ok

that is falsetto throat bass I think

[fervent crow]

Dont use tomaz's tutorial

lmao

[compact flame]

lmao ik

[zinc wraith]

the one on orodreth's channel is useful

[fervent crow]

I thoght it was typical falsetto chesr

[zinc wraith]

not the one on tomas optzi fn

[random tundra]

but sometimes he mixs it with uvula bass

[compact flame]

its super painful

[random tundra]

noppe

there is even a video of him ddoing it with vibration bass

[fervent crow]

Huh

[random tundra]

like urs falsetto vibration

ye

wait

[fervent crow]

I forget hes good with vibration lmao

[random tundra]

im fcked up to find this vid

wait

[compact flame]

so its just falsetto throat bass?

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

Apparently

[zinc wraith]

he took the idea from the starsky bass and just used falsetto throat bass with no uvula

[fervent crow]

Even tho its so unbeleivabky round

[zinc wraith]

he said it in an interview

[random tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/agEa2laeiyU

[zinc wraith]

yea thats high throat bass

at least thats what he said

[compact flame]

any useful vids

[fervent crow]

Ah, sounds closer, its the trumpet vid that trips me up

[zinc wraith]

for the high throat bass? not that i know of

[compact flame]

tutorials

aw

[random tundra]

trumpet vid?

[fervent crow]

No, falsetto throat bass is hardly known

[fervent crow]

*filter

Its early

[random tundra]

ah ok

[zinc wraith]

i used to think he just did the same bass as pwad

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

I used to think it was just high vcb

[random tundra]

I was hella confused about this bass because of that too lol

[random tundra]

yeah

this was the vid that made me realize itrs throat bass

[zinc wraith]

i was pissed off cuz i didnt know why his high vocal bass was thicker than mine

lol

[random tundra]

lmao

I wish I could do this

ngl

[fervent crow]

The big issue is... I cant do falsetto throat with trumpet filter

[random tundra]

but getting falsetto voice constricted sucks

[random tundra]

why not

[fervent crow]

Throat bass doesnt like trumpet filters

Espesh not synth trumpet

[zinc wraith]

i dont get how people do falsetto chest bass, when i do it there's a limit to how high i'm allowed to take my voice

had the same thing for high inward but it magically disappeared

[random tundra]

idk any tip on that

falsetto chest bass for me is just like vocalized chest bass but with falsetto

lmao

[zinc wraith]

there's like a barrier that doesn't let you go higher

[zinc wraith]

that's what my cat sounds like

[random tundra]

lmaoo

[zinc wraith]

furry bass

[fervent crow]

Hmm, might needa just train your falsetto a bit more

[zinc wraith]

theres a high pitched hum in there that sounds crazy

[fervent crow]

Like on its own

[random tundra]

try to put the bass on the falsetto

not the falsetto on the bass

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[zinc wraith]

i actually didnt try that

[random tundra]

thats the way people get it

[fervent crow]

Thats a good strat, i use it for my whistle reg throat bass

[random tundra]

with inward bass

[zinc wraith]

cant do it now either cuz everyone will think i'm missing a chromosome

[random tundra]

maybe with chest it works too

lmao

[narrow pike]

Ion dabble that much with falsetto stuff, deep subs is where its at for me

[compact flame]

I don’t know how to do a throat bass but i kinda know how to do the high pitched one lol, it does kinda sound like tomaz but his is just waaaaaay cleaner and effective

[random tundra]

nah I like bothj

[fervent crow]

I been dabbling more with falsetto stuff

[compact flame]

i will record mine but i gtg

[random tundra]

can u record it?

[compact flame]

yea

not now currently

[random tundra]

depending on the bass, falsetto will sound fuller

[random tundra]

n

n

n

bro my dont work

[fervent crow]

But some bassessss not really at the same time lol

[compact flame]

wha

[random tundra]

my ppp

p

[fervent crow]

If you dont control the subharmonics and do like 20th sub, rarely sounds good

[random tundra]

np*

now its working

[random tundra]

idk how that works lol

[fervent crow]

When you go falsetto with most basses they go way lower subs

And ofc, the bass gets slower the lower the sub

And sounds way less full

Like falsetto tongue bass

That doesnt sound good unless i do the dual projection

[random tundra]

yeah makes sense

[random tundra]

@fervent crow did u got better with swallow inward? mine still sounds like diarrhea bass

[fervent crow]

Not really, im more focused o remix inward now

[random tundra]

this shi wet af

I don't understand how people make this dry

[random tundra]

ah ok

[compact flame]

i died in this recording lmaoooo

this is better

so is this any close to tomaz bass

also this sound dries my throat SO BAD

like even after drinking a lot of water its still dry as hell

[random tundra]

kinda sounds like it

idk

[random tundra]

also

I noticed that when I practice swallow inward my normal inward bass get lower and a little bit thicker

idk if im tripping or not

[fervent crow]

You might be getting used to raising your epiglottis more

[random tundra]

but sounds like it compared to when I dont do swallow

[random tundra]

hmmm

maybe

actually that makes a lot of sense

[random tundra]

idk if it will change much on recordings

but the ressonance changes a bit

actually sounds even better ngl

[random tundra]

not lower

but louder

typed wrong lol

[zinc laurel]

is this actually throat bass? cause it sounds different from others

[tidal quartz]

yo guys does anyone here know fry screams, false cord screams or gutturals?

[compact flame]

i’m not quite sure but that could be vibration bass

cuz its similar to codfish’s vibration bass

[fervent crow]

Sorry... Hmm, @narrow pike isnt that more your thing? Or is it carlos

[fervent crow]

The first bit was throat bass, but when you started extending it and espesh when you went nasal, it bevame a very unclean vibration

[narrow pike]

nah thats carlos i think

i do 0 of those

way too harsh on the voice for my preference

[fervent crow]

Kk

Hey @random tundra

[random tundra]

I still can't do shi

lol

[narrow pike]

damn 💔

[random tundra]

im practicing to get

but I made like

2% of progress

shi is to hard

[narrow pike]

I mean i can get some loud fry scream sounding stuff ig

just fry then tighten vocal cords while maintaining fry, increase pressure while adding jayton voice

i dunno if thats a traditional fry scream per se but its something

[random tundra]

prob not

fry scream is completely different to vocal fry

[narrow pike]

then tf is it

[random tundra]

like

see some larygoscoy

u will see the difference

is much tighter

[narrow pike]

tf

ts look like sum evil bass + false evil bass or sum

bro that looks even more uncomfortable than i imagined

[random tundra]

yeah lmao

[narrow pike]

i mean the base vocal fold technique might be some weird creaking/fry mix

other than that id have no further ideas

[random tundra]

idk fry scream is weird af to me

and im only practicing to get false folds scream

because I already can do throat bass without voice

but screaming into it prob feels different af

[narrow pike]

ye for sure

[random tundra]

and almost every time I try it I just get vibration bass somehow

lol

[narrow pike]

ye when I try some of this I tend to fall into vibration bass sometimes

[random tundra]

I only got like a proper guttural sounds 1 or 2 times

I always get into somekind of vibration

[random tundra]

we are prob tightning it wrong

[narrow pike]

ye for sure

I mean apart from seeing a little of whats moving im neither experienced or interested in anything close to similar lol

[random tundra]

actually I don't think its 100% without voice

but def is less vocalized

[narrow pike]

ye probably

cus

[random tundra]

lol

I really like it actually

I've been wanting to get this for a long time

[narrow pike]

im looking at this laryngoscopy footage rn and this dudes true folds swell up to like 3x their size in a matter of minutes

[random tundra]

lmao

on false folds scream?

[narrow pike]

ye

[random tundra]

wtf I actually got a bit of it

but the exact moment I tried to make it louder I got vibration

😭

[random tundra]

I need to watch some footage of this shi again

there is like 1/2 years since I watched last time

and I didn't know shi about vocal stuff

[narrow pike]

bruh on this one scene you can even see like balls of irritated tissue spawn between the arytenoids

[random tundra]

wtf wdym

[narrow pike]

https://youtu.be/T3jRE2SPv-w?si=537_2ewtkhmIIavb&t=166

i mean camera quality is not the best so might as well just be old scar tissue but doesnt really look like it to me

[random tundra]

bro is somehow controlling overtones with the eppiglotis or some shi like that on the start

wtf that is crazy af

[random tundra]

idk

[sleek igloo]

what's the difference between swallow inward and remix's inward?

[fervent crow]

Swallow inward is dlows inward

And remixs inward is more on the tilted side of inwards

Where its not fully swallow/raised/locked

[random tundra]

I think remixs inward is a partially locked inward

[random tundra]

ye

[narrow pike]

same

asymmetrical double chin and tilted head and jaw sometimes

[little salmon]

I tried dlows inward and dat burns,

[fervent crow]

ya lol

[wooden cedar]

i remember sometime back you guys talked about a different vibration bass(3rd sub or smth like that i cant remember) iyk what im referring to how would I get that from my normal vibration bass? if not i can try to find a clip of that vibration bass im referring to

[fervent crow]

well

[fervent crow]

more constricted voice, like way tighter, while also loosening the clicky vibration

[wooden cedar]

wdym loosing the clicky vibration?

[random tundra]

the feeling I get when I do it is like if my aryeppiglotis are changing the note they are doing without changing my voice

I got it by constricting way more my v oice and breathing in a way that the aryeppiglotics folds change pitch

[random tundra]

I didn't understad that too lol

[wooden cedar]

ok

ill try that ty

[random tundra]

keep in mind that this is hella inconsistent

way more than normal vib

[wooden cedar]

is normal vib that inconsistent??

[random tundra]

it can be

because its 3 muscles vibrating at the same time

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[fervent crow]

I explained it like that cause if i say "loosen the aryepilgottic folds" ima be spoutin nonsense to most

[random tundra]

lol makes s ense

[wooden cedar]

i prefer the “nonsense” answers since im usually able to keep up w them and they help me understand it more deeply which somehow helps me get sounds a little easier since i prefer knowing what is going on

[fervent crow]

kk

then yeah, you basically do the aryepiglottic folds at an even lower pitch (from an octave and a 5th to 2 octaves), and usually it happens automatically from constricting your false folds more, which turns whatever is left of throat bass just into constricted singing

[delicate crane]

yo wassup

just wanted to ask if anyone has some inward bass tips

i just want to clean it out

[fervent crow]

hmm, so theres a few ways, ofc theres repition

also playing with tongue and epiglottis position

and memorizing said positions to help with consistancy

[narrow pike]

yo i got dlows lazer bass unlocked fr now

ts took me months of reverse engineering bruh

doing it with a high poly sounds straight up lethal

[meager wave]

So yall know like a dubstep sound one similar to vocodas style? I tried improving it with tongue bass any tips?

[idle dagger]

woah
what is it

[narrow pike]

dlow whale whistle + a really weird rattley side tongue bass / pash lazer mix thing at the tongue cheek contact

[idle dagger]

the hell

[random tundra]

vocodah basically spams inward bass

[narrow pike]

yea its weird asf I knew the airstreams and positions for a rather long time but actually doing them is so fuc­king hard

im only now getting it somewhat consistent

[narrow pike]

who couldve thought that just doing chest bass and simply tilting epiglottis doesnt yield the needed variation for poly chest

actually needa place the cuneiforms on the epiglottis as well instead of the quadrates

[narrow pike]

now that i think more about it probably not needed but waaaay easier that way

[stuck stump]

Wait what sound is this (inward)

[narrow pike]

inward fry

[stuck stump]

I see

How do I get inward bass from that bruh

[narrow pike]

from that?

you stop doing it and do something completely different tbh

[stuck stump]

O

Lmao

But now whenever I breathe inward I just get that sound 😭

[narrow pike]

i mean the vocal cords are the lowest part of your larynx so any inward bass will be higher in your throat

[stuck stump]

If I go a bit higher then it sounds like inward uvula bass

[narrow pike]

thats too high

something I struggled with at first was definitely getting only inward fry cus I was tightening fully wrong

the hyperventilate while doing literally any laryngeal bass that isnt fry or zombie bass was what worked for me in the end

[stuck stump]

Ah

I sound like I’m dying cuh 🙏

[narrow pike]

i mean youre definitely getting some inward rattle

kinda unfortunate that inward throat bass isnt the most straight forward tho

I mean you could make it work but try still aiming a little higher ie cuneiforms (chest) or arytenoids (evil)

[stuck stump]

Ok

[pine violet]

Who doesn't like inward bass spam thoughh

inward bass spamm

oh my sounds aren't coming through well

welp

[fervent crow]

how the hell am i supposed to do that- my tongue is in poh position when i do dlow whale-

[narrow pike]

i mean its not exactly the side poh position, still a lil different

but even if you do it 100% right its still hella finnicky

[fervent crow]

the tip of my tongue is still on the bottom of my mouth

aint no tongue bass comin from that

[narrow pike]

the whistle isnt the hard part shockingly

its the tongue rattle

[fervent crow]

yeah

with that position... i cant envision it

i can do the whistle

[narrow pike]

think of it more like side out of mouth tongue bass

but even then its really a mix between a tongue bass and pash lazer

its super weird

[fervent crow]

but also... the tip of the tongue is still on the bottom of the mouth

theoretically that leaves nothing to oscillate

[narrow pike]

honestly you might be doing the whistle a little differently

cus normally there is a tongue-cheek contact point

thats what you use to oscillate

[fervent crow]

yeah no my tongue is in normal poh position (just to the side a little) in the opposite direction of my cheek

[narrow pike]

tf

uhh

vid?

[fervent crow]

cant rn

but yeah

i do normal chezame poh position

then shift it a bit to the side so its behind my... bottom canines idk what they called

then i blow through the opposite cheek

[narrow pike]

u a special critter bruh

i mean

like it sounds like a unique whistle

[fervent crow]

and instead of doing it with the p cause it doesnt work like normal poh (if i do a scratch it does the pitches in reverse), i do it with a throat kick

and gets more a lasery style

or yk

i do radio static with it

[narrow pike]

hmm ok

i mean i might have to even make a video tutorial

cus ts is borderline unteachable through text

and im no artist so drawing isnt a solution either

[fervent crow]

Im tryna be quiet here lol

You see both cheeks puff a bit but trust me 90% of the air is going through my right side

[narrow pike]

ye ok i get it

[fervent crow]

I showed it to you before and you said it was dlow whale

I showed you the exact way i did it too lol

[narrow pike]

iirc i was trying to push you into the right direction by using that poh as reference

but shi apparently got lost in translation

[fervent crow]

Ive been using this sound for like a year lol

[narrow pike]

but tbh everyone ive taught the whistle needed some kind of video to get it

[fervent crow]

You just said it was dlow whale whistle and to just have it go through one cheek

[narrow pike]

i was trying to make do

cuz no position is really similar to it

uhh

like the whole mechanism is entirely one sided

[fervent crow]

So you're saayinf i have more unique things

[narrow pike]

ye probably

bit i think you should be able to learn it

with this whistle you fully sculpt the airstream

even more than with other whistles

but it really just spews out the dipole vortices

also in no way any orher whistle does

[fervent crow]

Lol

[narrow pike]

except azel but thats just a bad version of dlows

imma record sumn in a couple hours i stayed up all night watching dexter

tired asf rn

[fervent crow]

man static bass is such a fun bass

but unless you can do throat kick without cutting off air, good luck adding decent purcussion to it without restarting it

[random tundra]

how tf subharmonics looks like on a spectrograph?

I can't recognize it

harmonics are really noticeable

but subs

I can't see it lol

[narrow pike]

well in most cases youre gonna wanna look at everything below around 200hz anything above is mostly just resonance

then find the fundamental and count the frequency bands below it voila thats your subharmonic

this works for throat bass and vibration bass stuff

other basses can get a little trickier

poly chest especially is somewhat undecipherable to me

and chest as a whole is a little more difficult to me

probably also cus i havent been doing chest that long yet

[random tundra]

ok ok

do u use an app for it or something like that>

[narrow pike]

audacity

[random tundra]

?

ok

I ill try it

I was only finding websites

ty

[narrow pike]

np

[random tundra]

this work really well

ty man

[random tundra]

yeah its works perfectly

the subs just appear a layer down

[narrow pike]

yee

works for pretty much anything involving any set of folds; true, false, aryepiglottic

once you introduce other stuff it can get a little harder

even some vibration bass variations can get a little more challenging cus some type of growl is included in grunt, just matters to which degree

[random tundra]

its working with my chest bass fine

normal voice to slizzer bass to 2nd sub chest bass

the 2nd sub is even more noticeable with chest than my vib actually

[narrow pike]

yee im just not that good at hitting different chest subs cleanly yet tbh

only slizzer bass really

[random tundra]

makes sense

[narrow pike]

will very likely play into that

[random tundra]

u can see perfectly the layers that appear on the bottom

cool

[narrow pike]

ye ye

honestly i dont practice bass without having audacity open at this point

[random tundra]

lmaoo

I need to see 2nd sub throat on this

[narrow pike]

my guess is itll look pretty close to standard vibration

thats kinda the thing with spectrograms

most subharmonics will look pretty similar

[random tundra]

fundamental on something like 170hz

[narrow pike]

except for flow vibration bass which is pretty identifyable

[random tundra]

ye

but the sub on this is less volume

[narrow pike]

ye definitely, less mass is vibrating

[random tundra]

actually I was confirming it is 2nd sub throat lol

too see if its not unsyc throat like space does

because my 2nd sub is not super tight like dlows one

[fervent crow]

But the spectogram is realllyyy only great for if you cant hear pitches well, cause so many sounds can mimic eachother enough

[narrow pike]

to some extent it can give more than just the subharmonic of the sound

[random tundra]

I thinks its cool to mess with this

[fervent crow]

Iks and kindred like to glaze it a bit

[random tundra]

lmao

[narrow pike]

just hop on da spectrogram lil bro

u missing out

[fervent crow]

Lmao

[random tundra]

polys and overtone singing looks cool with it

its exactly what u think it will looks like

[fervent crow]

ALSO DONT FORGOR, also a reminder to me, our 2nd sub is actually 3rd sub

[random tundra]

but I think it stills cool

[random tundra]

ik

fun fact

[fervent crow]

You said 2nd sub throat bass lol

[random tundra]

everyone stills talking like this lol

[fervent crow]

I find it fun how we got the undertone series and the subharmonic series swapped

Its 2nd undertone and 3rd subharmonic

[narrow pike]

spectrograms can tell you a lot about the compatibility of certain sounds as well, chest bass usually looks a lot smoother than throat or vibration, evil is a mess and zombie i havent looked at

[random tundra]

undertone series isnt the same thing as subharmonic series?

its just the inversion of the harmonic series

[narrow pike]

just numbering is different, think imma just use undertone to refer at this point

kindred does it as well and it wont scramble up my brain a bunch

[random tundra]

just look up and the overtones and undertones series exclude the fundamental pitch

so yeah

just the numbering

[fervent crow]

The undertones is spacifically the 1/2 1/3, all that, subharmonic is 1 1/2 1/3

[random tundra]

instead of count the fundamental as the first pitch, we count the second note of the series as the first overtone

[random tundra]

yeah thats what im saying

[fervent crow]

Yeah, so we werent overtly wrong, just had the names mixed up

[random tundra]

ye

[fervent crow]

Also cause "subharmonic" is more recognizable thanks to david larson

Who ALSO had it mixed up for a period of time

[random tundra]

entire bass singing community calls it like this

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Cause they watched david larsons old subharmonic theory vid lol

[random tundra]

fun fact

I was thinking I was doing a subharmonic on the eletric guitar yesterday

and I just find out that combination tones thing

[fervent crow]

Not entirly suprising

[random tundra]

like

[fervent crow]

You can do subharmonics on many devices

[narrow pike]

as far as im concerned bass singers aint got shi on beatboxers concerning subharmonics tbh

[fervent crow]

Or bass as a whole

Tbf they all call fry sub "subharmonics" as liie... The actual name

[random tundra]

there is some notes that when played on the same time with a bunch of distortion

a random low pitch appears

[fervent crow]

When say low harmonic poly is more correctly subharmonic singing

[fervent crow]

Yah

[narrow pike]

ong bruh

[fervent crow]

Idk how the tabs of a guitar works, but it would probs work best on the uneven subharmonics

So 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th

[narrow pike]

you can play subharmonics on violin as well

[random tundra]

just shows the frets u need to press an play

[random tundra]

ye

[fervent crow]

Violin is actually where its more known

[random tundra]

yeaaah

[fervent crow]

Its primarly a technique from them, but stuff like pianos can do it

[random tundra]

this combination tones thing was first noticed on the violin

is a vibration on an ear muscle which idk the name in english that does it

its not even a real note

[fervent crow]

On yhw topic of harmonics and all that, i saw a vid awhile ago of a guy doing double overtones

[random tundra]

dammn

how that even works

[fervent crow]

Well

[random tundra]

the cochlea

like

[fervent crow]

You just need 2 passageways for the vibration to hum through

[random tundra]

if u put it on a spectrogram it doesnt even shows the low note beacuse its this thing vibrating on ur ear

[random tundra]

hm

[fervent crow]

It was on insta so cant send sadly

[random tundra]

np

[narrow pike]

man overtones boring

[random tundra]

so its like doing an overtone trough the mouth and another through the nose?

[random tundra]

its cool

I like to do throat singing a lot

[fervent crow]

I think its through both sides of the mouth

Bruh

Stupid recording program

[molten parrot]

what sound is this in 2:24, 2:28 and 2:34

[fervent crow]

First 2 are vocalized inward

Yeah all vocalized inward

[fervent crow]

^^

[molten parrot]

thanks!!

[random tundra]

inward bass vocalizado com falsetto

[molten parrot]

nao consigo adicionar voz com o inward slk

parece que eu to imitando alguem apanhando

[random tundra]

faz o contrário, em vez de tentar colocar o falsetto enquanto puxa inward

faz uma nota com o falsetto

e tenta colocar o inward junto

[molten parrot]

ALBERTIN EINSTEIN

[random tundra]

tenta colocar o grave na voz em vez de colocar voz no grave

entendeu?

[molten parrot]

entendi

[random tundra]

fica mais fácil assim

[molten parrot]

sim sim

[molten parrot]

e como ta os sons ai?

melhorou nesse meio tempo ai?

[random tundra]

um pouco

aprendi umas coisas novas só

[molten parrot]

daora daora

[random tundra]

@fervent crow why doing that weird hermit makes vocalized chest bass easier?

because of the eppiglotis position when u do it?

[narrow pike]

kermit

[narrow pike]

ye essentially

[random tundra]

yeah I forgot the name lol

[random tundra]

ah ok

I always did chest bass from normal voice and now I just notice its 3x easier this way lmao

[narrow pike]

ye it is

biggest problem with chest bass is not activating aryepiglottics

for me at least

[random tundra]

I wish I could activate them

doing chest

to in theory get bv bass

[random tundra]

try to make slizzer bass relaxed maybe

something like that should work

[narrow pike]

i mean yea

i can do 1st undertone chest in all epiglottic positions no problem

but

going lower subs is where it get wobbly asf for me

[random tundra]

but

hmmm

[random tundra]

or maybe try the opposite

[idle dagger]

at least yall can do vocalized chest bass

[random tundra]

if I really pressurize slizzer bass I can get 3rd sub chest

but its a really fried chest bass

[random tundra]

its not that hard

[narrow pike]

cus like the vibration bass I do has a much larger aryepiglottic and thus cuneiform vibration than normal even without poly sub, this stuff is just way more interconnected than youd think

[idle dagger]

ok then teach me

[random tundra]

try to clean ur voice without voice

thats how I got it

do the same clearing throat thing that people teaches for throat bass but without voice

[idle dagger]

i get evil bass from doing this

[narrow pike]

how I got it in the first place is just super stretching out the sides of my neck

[random tundra]

hmm

try to do a heavy sigh instead

without voice too

[idle dagger]

then i get zombie bass 💀

[idle dagger]

??

[random tundra]

shiet

idk how to get chest bass from other sounds

it was the first thinhg I got

u can do inward bass?

[idle dagger]

the first thing i got was throat bass and then i became a master at it before learning any other voice box bass sounds

[idle dagger]

yes

[narrow pike]

kinda flex just all these really hard. then vocalize

kinda like this dude

[idle dagger]

wait i think i understand it

theoretically

[narrow pike]

and?

was it fruitful

[idle dagger]

nah i cant do that 🫠

[narrow pike]

you can do it vro

[idle dagger]

im trying to learn the kermit voice now

[narrow pike]

i mean kermit voice alone wont give you chest

guess it can help tho

[fervent crow]

It can help

[random tundra]

actually, try to clear ur throat with kermit voice

[fervent crow]

But also if you do too much and get chest, you may get bv bass

[random tundra]

yeah

[idle dagger]

cant do kermit voice 💀

[random tundra]

(which is better

[random tundra]

bruuuuuuuh

[fervent crow]

(But harder)

[random tundra]

search for a tutorial on that or something idk

[idle dagger]

i think inward chest to vcb might have to be the strat here

[fervent crow]

Ah so DarkLight is just like me

[random tundra]

stills better

[random tundra]

u will prob get evil bass

[random tundra]

ye

[idle dagger]

bruh

[fervent crow]

Cant do kermit, cant do chest

[idle dagger]

this is inward chest right

[fervent crow]

Hmm... idk

[idle dagger]

the fck

[fervent crow]

Its hard to tell, espesh cause thw only good comparison is den, who adds fry to it

If you xan do inwars chest then theoretically you can move your cuneiforms to chest bass easily, but evidently you cant

[idle dagger]

when i do this sound and put it into swallow position i get my inward bass

[random tundra]

I think the best bet is to somehow learn kermit voice and clear ur voice with it

[random tundra]

kinda sounds like the high pitched inward I do when I do double inward

[idle dagger]

i think double inward is inward chest plus normal inward so this should be inward chest

[random tundra]

its more like high pitch inward + low pitch inward

I can't do inward chest and when I go high to make it double the vibration doesn't change

it only goes high in pitch

so it doesn't change to inward chest

[idle dagger]

??

i mean i have a very weird double inward (left part of the muscles vibrates separate from the right) but i dont think that's normal

[random tundra]

bruh why not

its just double inward

[narrow pike]

i mean whats normal in beatboxing

[idle dagger]

true

[random tundra]

just feels like 2 inward basses at the same time

[narrow pike]

sounds like poly chest inward then

[idle dagger]

yes

[idle dagger]

no, that one is with normal inward bass
i cant do poly chest inward

[random tundra]

idk, I can't even differentiate inward chest to normal inward

[narrow pike]

yea inward gets weird tbh

i mean

i just know a method to get poly is making left and right cuneiform vibrate out of sync

[idle dagger]

is this the same as double

[random tundra]

mine just really feels like doing a high pitch inward and adding a lower one to it

[narrow pike]

essentially yeaa

[idle dagger]

bruh

[random tundra]

isn't this like the definition of poly chest?

[narrow pike]

ye

[narrow pike]

its what this sounds like to me

[idle dagger]

ok good

[narrow pike]

but

send recording

[random tundra]

double inward its the same thing but with arytenoids

also could be double inward if u think like that

[narrow pike]

inward evil makes me gag hard still so im not messing with it that much

[narrow pike]

in theory yes?

but in practice desyncing your arytenoids sounds wayyy harder

[idle dagger]

inward evil vs inward chest
and (bad) double inward

[random tundra]

idk

[idle dagger]

order is reversed

[random tundra]

I can do double inward but I can't poly chest lol

[random tundra]

im confused where is the double inward

[idle dagger]

the one that sounds gargly

[narrow pike]

perchance just asymmetrical

[narrow pike]

a theory by kindred is A double inward might also be desynced inward chest + inward throat

[random tundra]

ye

the unsyc false folds thing

[random tundra]

which of them

[narrow pike]

theres probably dozens of poly inward ways

[random tundra]

ye

[idle dagger]

new recording 58

[narrow pike]

huh?

[random tundra]

just sounds like swallow inward

sounds pretty much like mine tbh

[random tundra]

I remember @fervent crow talking about something like that

like

there is a bit of false folds on inward bass

[idle dagger]

you hear my swallow inward in the other recording

[random tundra]

false folds synchronized with the inward

[narrow pike]

ah you mean that ye ofc

[random tundra]

and when u do double inward its the false folds being unsync

[narrow pike]

i mean my main source has become kindreds laryngoscopy vid tbh

[random tundra]

ah ok ok

so

on the recording 57, I think its normal inward and the swallow one

and on the 58, for me, just sounds like swallow inward

[narrow pike]

id add my 2 cents but i dont really train inward tbh

if it wasnt for it being so fuckin disgusting

[random tundra]

on 0:05 it kinda goes poly for a milisec

but I just don't hear it double

let me record my shi double inward rq

[narrow pike]

what your double inward sound like btw?

ye perfect timing

[random tundra]

kinda similar to subharmonikz one

[idle dagger]

i feel two distinct vibrations in my arytenoids

[random tundra]

but hes is waaaay more developed and he has more control ofc

[random tundra]

idk

we need @fervent crow

[narrow pike]

or you THINK you feel that, feeling and orientation can be deceiving at times

still is to me sometimes tbh

[idle dagger]

it feels different to touch as well

[random tundra]

I didn't practice anything today so its pretty bad

[random tundra]

yeah its like the thing of chest bass feeling lower in ur throat and actually being higher than throat bass

[idle dagger]

yo that's gnarly

[random tundra]

it literally sounds like 2 inwards

[random tundra]

ye I love this so much

when u get a nice interval with it sounds nasty af

this is improvers inward bass btw

he uses double inward

[narrow pike]

bruh i just need to craft a laryngoscope at some point

[random tundra]

lmao

[narrow pike]

like Im getting stuff that starts feeling like poly inward but doesnt really sound like it

[random tundra]

can u record it?

[narrow pike]

ye imma try to get a good take, i still get infinite slime glitch with inward

[random tundra]

lol ok

[random tundra]

what I did for double inward its literally high pitch inward with low pitch one

like

when u go lower u use more air

so just go really high with it and really push air like u do it when u get low

[narrow pike]

i mean ive tried

and i get something that feel massive asf but idk

[random tundra]

maybe ur not getting high enough with it

shoud be something like this

holy shi it passed one hour already

I need to study

gtg

[narrow pike]

here are a couple attempts

[narrow pike]

i mean thats essentially what im doing

[little salmon]

Need help on sub base, so I can learn the sub base whistle

[narrow pike]

huh?

there isnt just one sub bass

most basses are subharmonic tbh

[little salmon]

No there isn't

All I need is sub bass

[narrow pike]

bro

just send a recording

[little salmon]

Lip roll sub bass whatever

I can't bro

[narrow pike]

that makes more sense

[little salmon]

I'm on a fire stick💀

Could anyone like make a tutorial on YouTube for me or maybe send me a voice message on sub bass

And I haven't quite figured out how I do my subbase, cause my lips are bigger than usual, and I can do sub base in multiple mouth positions

[narrow pike]

well i cant do it but i suppose its a monopole whistle in sub liproll position

[little salmon]

Yeah, I hear a lot of people using it in this server and the other 1

[narrow pike]

i mean i can get a hint of it but not super loud

whistles are always horrendous to explain

[random tundra]

I can do it with whistle

[random tundra]

yeah

[little salmon]

Yeah I can do mines for like a split second but I can't hold it, sometimes I can't but sometimes I can't Yk

[random tundra]

so

[little salmon]

The thing is too I have great experience with whistles, I know the N. word tooth whistle, the laser whistle, I even made my own whistle, so it shouldn't be that hard

[narrow pike]

the n word tooth whistle 🔥 🔥

[little salmon]

Inward

[random tundra]

do u know that ☹️ whistle that helium does?

[little salmon]

LMAO

[random tundra]

LMAFO

[random tundra]

take that whistle

[little salmon]

No I haven't looked at that 1 yet, but I can probably do it I'm a quick learner I just learned POH snare in 1 day but it wasn't that hard

[random tundra]

and do it on the same position as the liproll

after that

[narrow pike]

a fr? its that, ye then easy

[random tundra]

just inhale air

[random tundra]

yeah

[narrow pike]

ive always thought of it slightly different than that but it does make sense

ye that one I can do

[little salmon]

I wanna look at the tutorial

I probably will get it once I remember how he does it

[narrow pike]

just the thing is i always hear that whistle mixed and its kinda in a mono/dipole superposition so hard to identify on its own

[random tundra]

just make it on the subbass liproll position

then inhale trough the liroll with the whistle tongue pposition

[narrow pike]

i think if heliums whistle actually as a mix of a laser whistle and bird whistle airflow types conceptually

[random tundra]

there is a mazefrog tutorial to it

its a really easy whistle

I got it alone

[narrow pike]

I can do it, just the pure monopole thing is hard asf

but apparently most people dont do it as monopole so no bummer

[random tundra]

tf is monopole

[random tundra]

bruh

[narrow pike]

the airflow type a normal pucker whistle has

[narrow pike]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_of_whistles 🔥 🔥

[random tundra]

idk shi about that

[narrow pike]

hop on

[random tundra]

I def will

[narrow pike]

itll step up yo whistle game

[random tundra]

yeah I kinda suck at whistles

[fervent crow]

Man yall been yapping

[random tundra]

fr lmaoo

[narrow pike]

also what do ya say carlos

[random tundra]

@fervent crow can u hear these?

[random tundra]

yeah sorry

[narrow pike]

np

[fervent crow]

Not rn

[random tundra]

aaan

can u record ur normal inward?

[idle dagger]

mine?

[narrow pike]

heres sum similar to what you did

[random tundra]

u need to get higher

[narrow pike]

damn still?

[random tundra]

compare to it

stills not high enough

[narrow pike]

my voice just naturally deep going high is so hard for me, especially with inward

and trying to go higher just gets my inward bass stuck

[random tundra]

its a matter of practice

just try to get higher while not changing the vibration

[narrow pike]

sadly practicing inward is just not fun, makes me gag hella, slimes my throat and kills my other outward basses for the rest of the day

[random tundra]

damn

[narrow pike]

its why ive been lacking with it

[random tundra]

this slime thing stopped happening to my normal inward at some point

only happens with swallow inward now

swallow inward is a big phlem bass for me

[narrow pike]

how tf bruh

ts is not getting better

[random tundra]

idk

maybe its because I spam inward bass 80% of the day

idk what happened today that I almost didn't practice

[narrow pike]

ill just have a big ass blob decide to lunge into my glottis from time to time making me throw up the saliva ive swallowed during the entire session

thats usually the end of the session

super nasty really

[random tundra]

like I really do chest and inward stuff all day

only with false folds that I need to actually rest

[random tundra]

thats pretty shi

[narrow pike]

bruh were polar opposites then lmao

[random tundra]

yeah lol

chest bass always felt really natural for me

[narrow pike]

cus false cords stuff i can spam all day no problem

chest bass used to be hella scratchy

now thats gone away luckily

[random tundra]

mine is hella inconsistent

somedays I practice throat bass a little

and boom

I have a crazy full vibration bass

for a whole day

and then I get into a week of not getting vibration bass 100% consistent

[narrow pike]

I can actually even do real double throat bass by now, almost at double vibration bass if im honest, super hard to get the higher one high enough tho same problem as with double inward

[random tundra]

holy shi really?

[narrow pike]

ye

[random tundra]

how that sounds?

[narrow pike]

well its not clean and its buried somewhere in a 4 hour long audacity project but ill find it sometime and send it

[random tundra]

I also noticed that when I practice 3rd sub throat before getting into vibration my vibration sounds hella nice

sounds fuller

idk why

[random tundra]

lmao ok

[random tundra]

isn't easier to make throat bass go poly with poly sub?

or im speaking bs?

[narrow pike]

well double throat bass isnt super special tbh just imagine a super beefed up poly sub/throat bass, super loud tho

poly vibration is also super loud and sounds hella crazy

when im hitting it clean in the future im pretty sure itll sound mental

maybe even triple vibration bass in the future but im not sure how youd roll the aryepiglottics

[narrow pike]

yes very

[random tundra]

yeah poly vibration is something I wish I could do

prob sounds hella full

[narrow pike]

super full

pretty sure the entire street below me heard it

[random tundra]

lmaoo

[narrow pike]

cuz it was louder than the loudest regular scream i could do

[random tundra]

holy shi

[random tundra]

I suck so much at ppoly sub lmao

this sounds feels so bad

I don't like doing it because of that

feels so unnatural for me

its not even because of how it sounds

[narrow pike]

wanna know a little secret for poly fold sounds

[random tundra]

hmmmm

[narrow pike]

impact and flow airbending is where its at

combine both get a poly sound

in poly sub flow airbending is the breathy voice and impact is normal intonation

[random tundra]

damn

yeah I really need to learn about these airflow stuff lol

[narrow pike]

then for vibration as a whole the common vibration bass is impact while remix old vibration bass was flow

you can look at kindreds vid to see both under the category grunt

[random tundra]

how do u feel the difference between both airflows?

[random tundra]

yeah and I din't understand shi

[narrow pike]

lol

[random tundra]

I really don't know ANYTHING about airflow

0% knowledge on that

[narrow pike]

mostly for flow airbending there isnt actually any real contact made between any part, its sorta just airflows and pressures whipping the components so to say

remix vibration bass is also just entirely powered by breathy voice btw

normal vibration bass by normal voice

[random tundra]

almost like a different sound lol

[narrow pike]

actually kinda

exactly the same components but different airbending techniques

also flow airbending techniques are usually lower and produce more stable subharmonics

[random tundra]

so I just receveid the notice from a friend that theres an essay for tomorrow and its like 11pm

so i need to do this shi

[narrow pike]

lol

[random tundra]

goodbye

llmao

[narrow pike]

bye

[zinc laurel]

are you able to do vibration bass with little throat bass because i can hear my throat bass a lot with vibration?

[narrow pike]

i mean throat bass is a part of vibration bass

you can however let it shine through a little more or just have it be a component

not sure why youd do the former tho

[random tundra]

im alive