Offering help with bass stuff

[narrow pike]

ye tried again like 3 times and vocal cords hurt like ass

genuinely worse to do than inward bass

[fervent crow]

Or yk my own double fry lol

Ill do it when i have time later

[narrow pike]

ye ight didnt know you do it

[fervent crow]

Yr lol

[wooden cedar]

while Im gone too 😭

interesting though

that makes more sense regarding other basses(yes i read the whole conversation)

[fervent crow]

Lol

The massive we were wrong moment

Was because we were 1 number off on our subharmonics scale

[random tundra]

wdym?

[fervent crow]

So our subharmonic scale basicaly goes 4th-3rd-2nd-1st-0-1-2-3-4 (the last bit being the overtone scale, and the 0 being our base voice)

[random tundra]

hm ok

[fervent crow]

Well in actual science and the HARMONIC scale

1st sub is actually the fundimental

[random tundra]

yeah ik

I studied that in physics

lol

[fervent crow]

2nd sub is what weve been calling 1st sub

Yeah, we were allways saying 1st was the 1/2

[random tundra]

the undertone series is the same shi as the harmonic series but going down

[fervent crow]

Ye

1/4-1/3-1/2-1

So we workin on that lol

Personally even tho it fits more in science, i preeefuree our metric cause it also means 1st sub anx 1st overtone are the same

And that normal singing is subharmonic

[wooden cedar]

yeah I said that several months ago in dms I think

[fervent crow]

But we been using the science one at the same time

Lately

[wooden cedar]

how was that the massive we were wrong moment though?

[random tundra]

literally what he just said

lmai

[fervent crow]

Cause it was the only one we were straight up wrong about lmao

Everythig else was benefit of the doubt only partially wrong, due to issues

[random tundra]

I never talked about this because I thought it was just a different nomenclature thing we used

like

assuming the voice wasnt subharmonic

so it would start counting different yk

[wooden cedar]

i must have misinterpreted then cuz i took it in reference to cuneiforms(cant remember spelling)rattling for chest and other basses
yeah i get that what he just said was why we were wrong but was confused about the other relating to it

[random tundra]

np

[random tundra]

u really didnt know that?

[fervent crow]

No

[random tundra]

damn

[random tundra]

u should study waves

pretty cool stuff

and will give u better knowledge of overtones and subharmonics

[fervent crow]

Vibration inbetween sub

[random tundra]

what that means?

didnt get it

[unkempt drum]

Can chest bass be done with your mouth fully closed? The rattly kind to be precise

[narrow pike]

ye

any chest bass basically

unless its super airy

like insanely airy

[fervent crow]

I guess where im not wuite full 2nd but also not full 1st?

Or wait i think its closer to doing the aryepiglottic folds but not touching the throat bass

Aka leaving it as normal throat bass

Kinda is called throat bass + vibration

[tepid comet]

@fervent crow when are we getting the crythix bass tutorial? im tried of hearing it and thinking to myself when will be my turn 😭

[narrow pike]

probably never

risk of injury too large

I mean I could definitely be misinterpreting but look at some of crythix battles from beatboxer of the month and tell me he doesnt look in pain when doing it sometimes

[fervent crow]

Also cause crythix has told us not to tell anyone how its done

[unkempt drum]

Hey @fervent crow, do you know if there's any ways for me to identify and train the cuneiform tubercule? I'm pretty sure that I am severely struggling to use it - or even find it - when attempting chest bass, so I'm just seeing if there's any exercises that can be done to use it?

[fervent crow]

Theres not much besides messing with and spamming it

Its not quite like throat bass where you can warm it up with constricted singing

Its more an automatic oscillation

So playing withbit is your best bet

[unkempt drum]

What about identifying it? I think that may be the main issue for me

[fervent crow]

Cuneiforms have a vrry round, soft, and subby oscillation

And will br slightly higher up OR feel like its in your chest (depending on how deep the tone is when you do them)

[narrow pike]

apart from that theyre also further towards the sides of your larynx but thats kinda hard to put into practice until you have years of experience

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[zinc laurel]

what is this buzz?

[fervent crow]

litterally called lip buzz

[zinc laurel]

YO DID I FIGURE THROAT BASS?

[narrow pike]

ye sounds like tight throat bass

[random tundra]

Yeah

[zinc laurel]

thanks for your help spaceg

[fervent crow]

I only did some stuff, most of it was carlos

[random tundra]

is this some kind of less vocalized vibration?

[fervent crow]

Sounds like it

[random tundra]

if I could do that with throat bass 😭

[fervent crow]

Lol

Get my fun throat bass lol

[random tundra]

I want so bad to get false folds scream

but with almost every tutorial I just get vibration bass or chest

my best bet at it is to get unvocazlied throat bass and scream into it

[random tundra]

would be cool af too

[random tundra]

@fervent crow am I closer to it?

kinda feels like its less vocalized

[fervent crow]

At the start sounds more like it

Try going low with it

Low and lots of air

Also dual projecting weirdly helps

[random tundra]

idk how to do that

this feels weird

so hard to just not get vibration bass

if I vocalized just a little bit it turns into vibration or that less vocalized vibration

[fervent crow]

Its hard to tell

[fervent crow]

Projection

You project your voice to a certain point, basically like throwing it

Then you combo that with the concept of letting it through both your mouth and nose

[random tundra]

I really don't have any ideia on how to do that

lmao

[fervent crow]

Lol, it takes imagination

Overtone singing is simular to it actually

[random tundra]

I think this is the most consistent I got so far

(pls ignore the burp

[random tundra]

and I don't have air enough to hold it more than this lol

[stuck stump]

Oh god I did that really tight vcb so much I forgot how to do normal vcb 💀

[fervent crow]

Uh oh- lol

Yaaah that happns sometimes

[tepid comet]

ive already really trained my throat to handle really hard sounds

[tepid comet]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

but like... what if u just dmmed me how to do it? pretty please? 😔

he said in a stream the high one is really hard for ppl who cant to high stuff but the low one could be learned pretty easy

[fervent crow]

Still then i womt, im holding my promise

[random tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfqUHFY8-F8 this second bass vocodah combos with falsetto inward on 4:19 is nasal bass or some kind of chest bass?

maybe nasal chest bass idk

[fervent crow]

Knowing him might be chest bass, his arytenoid control is insane for a slapping stuff together beatboxer lol

(Or cuneiform control)

[random tundra]

yeah lol

[unkempt drum]

Isn't that basically how trumpet is done in a nutshell? From what I've heard elsewhere at the least, the trumpet sound is done with a combination of the mouth and nose

[fervent crow]

Yesss one could say that yea

Not fully, but it is a method

Ofc with the lip shapes and movements

[wooden cedar]

struggling with outward liproll, i at first struggled w inward but now they have flipped, have inward learned(still not polished yet lol) but can’t really do outward, any tips to get it down?

[narrow pike]

lips need to be more tense against themselves for outward liproll ig

[wooden cedar]

??

wdym tense against themselves

[narrow pike]

like with normal liproll theyre just kinda flappin

but for outward you kinda need to press them against eachother

[wooden cedar]

okk

[sleek igloo]

I finally learned what I think is dlows inward bass technique yesterday and I woke up today having forgot how to do the usual inward that I've been doing for the past 10 years lol.

It's like learning a new way to breathe lmao

[fervent crow]

Lol basically

[zinc laurel]

what are the types of inward bass?

[fervent crow]

So, theres inward chest bass, tight inward, loose inward, den inward, textured inward, locked/swallow inward (dlows inward), vocalized and double inward

[fervent crow]

^^^

[random tundra]

I don't think swallow position inward means locked position inward

Def dlows inward is both

but to do locked inward I don't think it needs to be on the swallow position

same as chest bass and evil bass

[fervent crow]

Theres debate on if they are different or not

[random tundra]

really?

[fervent crow]

What defines "swallow" is if a bunch of muscles in your throat are super raised, rather than just epiglottis

HOWEVER, we do not have any evidence to support if it is or isnt swallow, as we need better MRI technology

Locked justmeans locking the epiglottis to a raised position by pressing it with the back of the tongue, which is a part of swallow but missing the raise everything step

[random tundra]

yeah\

ik that

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

ah ok

[fervent crow]

Mhm

[knotty thistle]

den and dlow is same i thought

dens just a higher note

[random tundra]

isn't den inward inward chest bass?

inward chest with fry or something like that

[fervent crow]

dens is inward chest bass with vocal fry, dlows is inward bass in either swallow or locked position

i think den is one of the few to do true inward chest if i remember correctly, maybe also octo

inward bass and inward chest are actually different, as typical inward bass is more related to the evil bass family rather than chest

[wooden cedar]

@fervent crow what would you say is a good amount of time to practice a sound a day to avoid injury while making good progress

[fervent crow]

It varies from sound to sound

Sounds, stamina, all that

If a sound is super heavy on the voice, 30 minutes on and off, if its too heavy, do it for 30 minutes playing with it and stop for the rest of the day

If the sounds not too hard on the voice, anywhere from 1 hour - 5 maybe per day

Ona. Normal day i train most of my sounds for about 8 hours a day, spread out

[wooden cedar]

Ok

[wooden cedar]

did you start at this total or build up to it

[fervent crow]

I had pretty decent stamina for mostof my sounds at first

But there was some building for sure

My falsetto throat bass i actually had to start at an hour a day

Now i can do it for like 3 hours a day, spread out

[wooden cedar]

Ok, ty

which sounds would you say are “too heavy”

[fervent crow]

Crythix bass, evil bass or any other evil sound, unsynced vibration, falsetto throat bass/vibration, inward bass

And any inward fry variation besifes normal

Stuff like that

[wooden cedar]

ok ty

I need to build an actual practice schedule cuz this is the second time Ive overworked my voice in the last month and a half or so

[random tundra]

@fervent crow

I was going up with throat bass and got this

I really don't know wtf is this

zero ideia

im trying to get this again to feel it more

but its hella hard

shi my throat is getting cooked

is this 2nd sub throat bass?

idk if this is unsyc throat bass or 2nd sub throat

holy shi my throat is BURNING LIKE HELL

I need to stop so I can speak tomorrow

[fervent crow]

Sounds like unsynced

[fervent crow]

Or... Wonder if its perfect 5th throat bass, same you would use for vibration

[random tundra]

yea, it is a 5th harmonized

now sounds more like it's unsyc

[fervent crow]

yeah, not quite 2nd, so i think it was a 5th throat bass, something ive been trying to figure out

also i love how vocodah pops in sometimes, says or asks a question, and dissapears lmao

[random tundra]

fr lol

[random tundra]

ngl that's cool af

I ill try to get used to it so I can make it lower

i'm finally learning some good false folds stuff

[fervent crow]

Yee

[unkempt drum]

Space (or anyone), what's the best way to consistently get vibration bass? Practicing constricted voice?

[fervent crow]

Hmm, big one is try to identify and try not to do any bad habits

Bad habits including tongue filters, gollum voice, and jaw tightening can all lead to inconsistancy

[unkempt drum]

Gollum voice? That's a new term for me-

[random tundra]

for me too lol

[narrow pike]

think I just found inward shield poly? first burst is going 1st sub into 2nd sub, weird cus 1st sub doesnt sound special at all and is easy af on the throat, but when I try and hit 2nd sub and the rolling for it fails like in the last one it legit kills me

[random tundra]

idk

sounds hella messy

but maybe it is

[narrow pike]

ye I mean I just found it

[random tundra]

yeah lol

doing it inwards doesn't help on that too

[narrow pike]

pretty sure it is tho cuz tbh shield poly feeling is very distinct, especially 2nd sub

[random tundra]

makes sense

[narrow pike]

ye def

[narrow pike]

although ill mention that I dont think im hittin 2nd sub cleanly at all here, its more like forcing the type of oscillation that differenciates 1st and 2nd sub onto an inward 1st sub ig

[fervent crow]

Oop

[fervent crow]

Gollum voice, kermit voice, stitch voice all the same

The voice you get when you raise your epiglottis

[zinc laurel]

is vb a looser or tighter throat bass?

[fervent crow]

TECHNICALLY tighter

Tho honestly, ibe been considering removing it from the throat bass catagory all together- lol

Cause the throat bass in it does almost nothing

Its more just an aryepiglottic fold bass than a throat bass

[fervent crow]

@narrow pike have you tried ultradeep vibration yet?

Its 1st sub shield + 2nd sub vibration i beleive

On a low pitch

[narrow pike]

hmm

I mean ive come across something that definitely sounds weirdly deep

but its hard to make it catch

you got a recording?

also kinda might be that the vibration bass i normally do now is the ultradeep variation as I feel like its pretty deep in general, shield poly does get hard to tell when doing it with vibration

I mean this is what that looks like on a spectrograph on the the left compared to one of yours on the right

open mouth

might be the case

[random tundra]

ah ok

so weird to make the false folds vibrating without voice while being used to do chest

btw @fervent crow is this really unvocalized throat bass?

idk if im actually doing it right

even tho I already asked lol

[fervent crow]

Hmm, doesnt sound much like it anymore

Doesnt quite sound... Sharp

[random tundra]

really?

feels exact on the same position

[fervent crow]

Also have to remember how weird it gets when you arent adding voice

[random tundra]

hm

[fervent crow]

Cause the voice is a big tell on what you are doing, centrallizinf it

[random tundra]

yeah yeah

[fervent crow]

But withput voice, its a muscle directly under the arytenoids

[random tundra]

what can I do with this bass? learn falsetto throat maybe?

[fervent crow]

Certainly try ye

[random tundra]

how many throat bass variations exists?

never heard much of them

[fervent crow]

Hmm, 6? Not including any vibration basses

atleast for main variations

[narrow pike]

do you have a recording?

[narrow pike]

maybe it just bypasses the need for throat bass altogether so just shield poly + arys is possible

although false cords would more likely just get caught in the crossfire and at least do something

[zinc laurel]

i thought its just a deeper subharmonic from throat bass

or how do i get vb is mainly what im curious abt

[narrow pike]

its throat bass + jayton voice, resulting in 3 frequencies at usually a 3rd subharmonic compared to throat bass' 2nd subharmonic; its done by the true cords, false cords and aryepiglottic folds

[zinc laurel]

but i already use jayton voice for throat bass

[narrow pike]

I mean then youre either doing an unclean throat bass or half a vibration bass

throat bass doesnt need jayton voice to work

what does your throat bass sound like

[zinc laurel]

here

[random tundra]

wdym with vb? vibration bass?

[zinc laurel]

yeah

[random tundra]

ah ok lol

[narrow pike]

ye sounds like hella jayton voice on a bit of throat bass

best thing would be to strip the jayton voice, train that normal throat bass for a bit then try adding jayton voice again to get vb when you have a cleaner throat bass

[random tundra]

fr

yeah u should really improve ur throat bass first

[narrow pike]

also the that sounds like it burns out your throat real quick

taking away the uncontrolled jayton voice will also really help with that

[zinc laurel]

that recording was last week when i first learned it, so i might've improved a bit. But how much do you squeeze for jayton voice for vb

[zinc laurel]

yeah lol

[narrow pike]

tbh its not as much as youd think

[random tundra]

yeah

[narrow pike]

obv it will be proportional to the way you do your throat bass but generally maybe like 10% of what you do in that audio

[random tundra]

just practice throat bass first

its really important

[narrow pike]

yes

I mean generally you can force a vibration bass, its how I first got somewhat ahold of the feeling but training it like that will wreak havoc on your larynx so get a little more used to throat bass first

[random tundra]

yeah I learned vibration without knowing how to do throatb ass and it sucks

[narrow pike]

basically just like until you can sustain if for a good chunk of time without it getting uncomfortable

[random tundra]

the jayton voice on it just kills ur throat

[wooden cedar]

tbh i never really felt the jayton voice when doing vibration

my vibration is much looser than how adding jayton to throat feels and adding that adds a fair amount of pain if that makes sense? idk

[narrow pike]

I mean it is possible to get something that sounds like vibration bass by loosening

not sure if it is actually vibration bass

cus I used to do something like that as well but it just ate an entire lungsfull of air in like 2 seconds or sum

maybe with that youre going vibration by adding a whisper instead of jayton?

thats what it felt like for me at least

[wooden cedar]

might be

ill have to do it later when my mom isnt napping so i dont wake her up to see if its that

[fervent crow]

Nah, its actually more a subharmonic of the aryepiglottic folds than the throat bass, it doesnt even use normal throat bass in it

It uses throat bass at a perfect 5th

So voice at a note, throat bass a 5th below that, aryepiglottic folds octave and a 5th

[narrow pike]

btw, how sure are we of the aryepiglottic folds being involved and not it being something like the false cords rolling, ive never heard anyone else say it

not really doubting per se just asking how the definition came to be

[wooden cedar]

it feels kind of like that but not quite

[narrow pike]

maybe breathy voice would be a more accurate word for what I was experiencing, does that sound closer for you?

[wooden cedar]

yeah

feels very relaxed compared to when i do vibration the other way

[narrow pike]

ye ok then I think thats closer to remix' old vibration bass

the one he used to do a couple years ago

kindred does it in his laryngoscopy vid nr 61 iirc

if you wanna check

[wooden cedar]

ooo i will ty

[narrow pike]

np

sorry 60 not 61

[fervent crow]

This was from a bunch of analyzation from vocal coaches with very little vocal bsss knowlage, ones with lots, us bass nerds, and mazefrog

And the main theory is they all hear some form of aryepiglottic folds

Ha just checked forums, imagine charging for teachinf- jkjk lol

[zinc laurel]

is this loosened enough and I should start learning vibration?

[narrow pike]

i mean you can try to add a little jayton voice but if it doesnt work rn i wouldnt push it yet

although id say it doesnt sound quite polished enough yet

[compact flame]

hard bass 😬

i basically don’t know how to do it

can’t even attempt to

looked for tutorials and i’m still confused

some of them say knowing how to do a throat bass would help, but i don’t know how to do it lol

i’m still a beginner tho

[fervent crow]

I still never get the throat bass comparison-

Hard bass is essentually locked evil bass

You can gey evil bass by doing chest bass, and SUPER tightening and pressing your arytenoids together

Till its next to impossible to breath through

Then to lock it, you use the verrry back of your tongue to press against your epiglottis

[compact flame]

oh my god this helped

i’ve NEVER done an evil bass before

and i kinda did my first one just now

i felt the extreme vibration

i’ll try to learn both basses and I’ll keep you updated

[fervent crow]

Sick

[pine violet]

Bass(?) thing maybe idrk

Same technique as the chest bass I have but lowering it in pitch

[fervent crow]

Sounds sounds poly chest

Holy crap that is WILD sounding

[random tundra]

This is evil bass, right?

[pine violet]

It sounds different to poly chest bass

Like, slightly different. But it's definitely clear bass and has poly in it

[wooden cedar]

how do i get poly chest?

[fervent crow]

also have to remember chest bass is the most maliable bass

it has 101 textures and that might just be one of them

youve only really heard subharmonikz, dens, and ervhino

yours...

only other thing maybe could be a perfect harmony chord of shield poly + vocal chest

perfect perfect 5th harmony

[pine violet]

I'm really confused

Can I actually do anything useful with this bass because I'll be honest, it doesn't sound amazing

[fervent crow]

environmental setting

it sounds insane to me

heavenly

out of this world

[random tundra]

high pitched chest bass + lower chest

u can get it by doing slizzer bass and chest bass at the same time too

[fervent crow]

yeah essentually

or

1 tight, 1 loose

vocalization isnt required but helps

[random tundra]

ye

fiun fact

I still cant do poly chest

I get slizzer bass when I try it lmao

[fervent crow]

lmao

i still cant do chest bass

i get evil bass when i try

i would say mine is a little worse lmao

[wooden cedar]

how does that feel when doing it

[fervent crow]

it will no joke feel like you are doing 2 chest basses

lmao

[wooden cedar]

ok

[pine violet]

Wait why 😭

I swear I've shown you this bass before

[pine violet]

I hate it because it sounds so harsh and like the frequencies and clashing with each other

[fervent crow]

There were some points where it all lined up tho

[random tundra]

Ye

[random tundra]

I still can't do outward evil bass idk why

I just gave up on it tbh

I'm trying to get used to do it inwards so I can at least use evil bass

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[narrow pike]

i mean isnt it more like asymmetrical chest bass

one cuneiform impact airbending and the other one flow airbending

cuz like when subz does pcv only one side of his neck is really tweaking

essentially still tight and loose but this doesnt really spring to mind when saying tight and loose

at least didnt for me

id send some stuff but still on da trip

[pine violet]

Oh was there?

It's difficult to maintain it tbh

[fervent crow]

Practically the same thing dawg-

[narrow pike]

ye but it took me a while to realise this being a lil more specific cant hurt

[sleek igloo]

Any advice for how to stop inhaling spit when doing dlow inward bass? Been drilling it for a week now but I can't engage it quickly enough without basically choking lmao

[fervent crow]

It makes it way more confusing to understand as well tho

I water alot of things down to help people understand

[fervent crow]

Eeeh just time

Its hard not to

[narrow pike]

I mean imo its a little oversimplified

and to me the other way it makes way more sense

[fervent crow]

You also look at things like kindred

Both make sense to me as yes it is the cuneiforms unsyncronized, but also it is by definition 2 chest basses

Or 3 if you do triple chest bass

[narrow pike]

yea for sure didnt say its wrong just that that labelling in itself doesnt hold enough info to make it super conclusive

[knotty thistle]

is crythix bass the most layered bass?

currently out it should be

[fervent crow]

True overtone tongue bass

[fervent crow]

Technically no?

Technically lung bass can get to the most layered, tho only chronic smokers can do the bass and its a sign of soon to be death

Lung bass can get to 7 layers

Crythix bass tho, spacifically high crythix bass, has the largest interval distance however

But still at a base level only 3 pitches

Ervhinos poly chest is just as layered technically

Same with my unsyncronized vibration

[knotty thistle]

maybe this is the reason

its the most full frequency range wise

but high inward i still think has the cleanest tone

[fervent crow]

One of them yeah

Ofc depends on the subharmonic of high inward and all that

[knotty thistle]

ervinhos is weird because I swear some pitches that should work dont

like some pitches just miss

[fervent crow]

Its a very picky sound

Cause you have to keep the two chest basses a perfect 5th apart

[knotty thistle]

a harder lip bass

[fervent crow]

And i dont remembwr what thw voice is relitive to that but has to harmonize with thar perfect 5th

[knotty thistle]

whats ur favorite vocal bassline

[fervent crow]

Hmm, vocalized or vocal as in any bass lol

[knotty thistle]

any bass

just not tongue bass lip bass etc

[fervent crow]

Ah throat based

[knotty thistle]

^ ye

[fervent crow]

Hmm, thats a tough one

I love inward and vibration

[knotty thistle]

yeah they are equal to me too

vibration just so inconsistent

[fervent crow]

Its a rough one at first

It got way easier once i understood the muscles at play

[knotty thistle]

i mean even on stage for the best vibration beatboxers its so mid

once u tense up off stage nerves its gone

like high poly

just be a vibration high poly beatboxer and take a xanax or smth idk

lol

[fervent crow]

Hopefully my vibration works at vbc, cause its about as loud as my throat bass

Lol

[knotty thistle]

with vibration you have to be careful because you dont have a lot of sub to play with compared to other sounds

so sometimes its just the formant that the mic picks up

especially if ur using it with kicks

this is more of a use thing than a bass thing but i barely ever use it as my leading bass for this reason

[fervent crow]

Ye

I been recovering it recently cause was super sick

[knotty thistle]

imo thats the best time to train vibration lol

unless u were phlegm sick

[fervent crow]

Throw up sick

So my everything was dead-

[knotty thistle]

dam rup

rip

[fervent crow]

Its funny how vibration is one of my louder basses at times, about asloud as taddls if i remeber correctly?

Then ofc unsynced vibrstion im basically screaming like you would for crythix bass, its why its basically an offbrand crythix bass

[random tundra]

that happens with me too lmao

[knotty thistle]

i will say sadly being loud isnt the biggest factor with basses its ur top end sub balance

[random tundra]

its way louder than my inward AND chest bass

[knotty thistle]

if u do vibration with no sub its quiet regardless

[random tundra]

ye

[knotty thistle]

the quietest inward is the loudest on mic

cuz its all sub

[narrow pike]

good thing my vibration bass has hella sub

[knotty thistle]

add formant less sub

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Hella sub and harmonies mr shield poly vibration

[knotty thistle]

its because imo its easy to get a bass loud with no sub vs getting it loud with sub

because sub requires 10x air

i think thats why a lot of people fail with my style

[fervent crow]

Sometimes? Then theres also forcing sub and makinf it too quiet and muffled

[knotty thistle]

forcing sub is good with inward

[fervent crow]

(Like using your tongue or epiglottis)

[knotty thistle]

its actually the best way to do inward imo

chest bass too

[random tundra]

forcing sub?

[knotty thistle]

yeah

[fervent crow]

Yea, partially cause those allready have epiglottic use

But it DESTROYS vibration, and it affecrs alot of people-

[knotty thistle]

see idk like all the muscles for basses i just know the best way to train them usually

vibration is like a sandwich

5th formant
throat bass
sub

if u push the 5th or the sub too much u lose one

throat bass goes nowhere

[fervent crow]

The throat bass hardly exists in vibration lmao

[knotty thistle]

its the root for me

[fervent crow]

Its primarily the voice and aryepiglottic folds

[knotty thistle]

its dj voice + throat bass

[fervent crow]

Throat bass is there to lend texture

[knotty thistle]

the middle between

thats how we explained 2014

[fervent crow]

Lol

[knotty thistle]

unless you do a different vibration

[fervent crow]

And now a bunch of development has happened for how we understand it

And testing with vibration state sounds to understand the harmonies

[knotty thistle]

weirdly enough though i feel vibration basses sounded better back then than now

like obviously everything sounds better now cuz time in general

but more people had a good vibration on ts/vent than now

[fervent crow]

Back then also it was less new vibration bass users too

[knotty thistle]

the vibration i feel come out now are like vocal fry based?

[fervent crow]

Nah

[knotty thistle]

like when helium does outward vibration it sounds like vocal fry variance

idk if he still does i saw on his stream

[fervent crow]

Could just be helium mixing up sounds again and doing 2nd sub vocal fry

[knotty thistle]

im a vocal fry hater

haha

[fervent crow]

Lmao

[knotty thistle]

pls rate my inward bro

send vocal fry msg

😭

[fervent crow]

Thankfully i domt get that, i get "is this inward?"

[knotty thistle]

lol

yeah rip

[fervent crow]

I get told i look alot like you

A concerning amount

Which is funny cause both bass heads

But yeah vibration... Once you understand it and its muscles, control becomes way better

Understand that the full sandwich of sounds in order of throat height
Aryepiglottic folds 1 octave and a 5th below voice
throat bass a 5thbbelow voice
Vocal folds

Also helps alot with subhsrmonics, like knowing that when we go 4th sub, throat bass goes up in pitch so that it matches the voices note, turning it into jayton, and the aryepiglottic folds down to 2 octaves

[knotty thistle]

then u look good nice

hahhaah

[fervent crow]

Lmao

Fricken scribblt doodle was thinking it the entire time when we were eating together last vbc-

[fervent crow]

Man i needa try and get remix inward again, it felt so weird

[fervent crow]

my message count is so high at this point from this forum alone-

[random tundra]

bro

wtf is this chest abss

sometimes sounds like zombie bass

holy shi I think its zombie bass actually

it feels like chest bass but with a lot of more air

[wooden cedar]

been trying to get poly chest and dont quite understand how to put tight and loose chest bass together?

any ideas would be much appreciated

[fervent crow]

Kinda? Issue is it doesnt sound very rattly

[fervent crow]

Really not much tbh, its reallt just memorizing the two positions and feeling and just doing them both st the same time

[wooden cedar]

ok

[narrow pike]

kindred vid has it

ervinho chest bass is where he explains the mechanics behind poly chest

[random tundra]

There is any chance of it being an eppiglotis rattle but not 100% of it?

Like

The eppiglotis is rattling but there's still more chest bass than zombie bass

[fervent crow]

Hmm, maybe

Or its just a super low chest bass

[random tundra]

Maybe

Because it feels way more like a growl

Than normal chest

And the position in very similar to my swallow inward

[wooden cedar]

alr ty

[random tundra]

Try to make a high pitched chest bass and get the low one to vibrate at the same time

[random tundra]

So

Maybe it's a really low locked chest

Because I got it from swallow inward position

The transition between this and normal chest bass

I don't think it actually sounds like its changing muscles

Probably is just locked chest

But stills sounds WAY more like rattling

Way more like a big growl

Also feels like it vibrates more

Idk about it

[fervent crow]

It will feel rattly tho

Will feel like slapping

Like you have one of those clacky hands

In youe throat

[random tundra]

Idk wdym by clacky hands but now that I'm starting to get morw of this vibration I definitely feel something weird flapping around

I'm spamming this the whole day to see what it will be

[fervent crow]

these

[random tundra]

Lmao

AND

It doesn't hurt like u said

Maybe @visual lava isn't crazy like u said

[fervent crow]

but its supposed to huurrrt

[random tundra]

I swear it doesn't hurt

It's just something weird af flapping

[fervent crow]

cause its a big ol chunk of cartalidge and muscle slapping the top of your larynx

[random tundra]

I really don't know if this is zombie bass or not

Sorry for thr bad audio

[random tundra]

But when I do it in this exact way it feels like something is flapping around

And it doesn't hurt

[random tundra]

Not like flapping around like crazy

But definitely there is something flapping around

My best guess is that this is zombie bass but not with 100% of the eppiglotis vibrating

This sounds SO MUCH more growly than chest bass

[fervent crow]

lol

how high up does it feel

you will really notice it high up when you do it

[random tundra]

Feels really similar to dlow inward position

Almost the same

Biggest vibration I got so far (almost puked doing it

[random tundra]

Btw my throat started to hurt a bit when I got this lol

Didn't like this part

This is definitely not regular chest lol

[fervent crow]

kk

well

we can allways bring in mr zombie bass himself

@visual lava

[random tundra]

Lmaooo

Ngl I will be so happy if this really is zombie bass

I've been trying to get this for a long time

[fervent crow]

lol

next is poly chest-

[random tundra]

Fr lmao

AND hardbass

But i still can't do outward evil

😭

[fervent crow]

lol

im figuring out normal evil

[random tundra]

Nice

[random tundra]

Maybe if I get really good doing it inward and then lock my throat with it

Idk

[fervent crow]

or just gag yourself

no joke

evil is essentually just choking yourself hands free

[random tundra]

lmaoooo

[random tundra]

now with good mic @fervent crow

[visual lava]

I’m not lol

[visual lava]

This honestly sounds really similar to my zombie bass

[visual lava]

I have arrived lol

Anyway it should feel like super rattly and “clicky”, if that makes sense?

Like you should be able to feel and even hear a little bit of clicking noises in there while you do it

[visual lava]

Yes if it doesn’t hurt that’s good, it should feel super loose and free

[random tundra]

Yeah it feels a bit clicky

I still think I'm not hitting a full zombie bass vibration

But it def feels a bit like that

Actually today is more

It seems like the more I do this the more clicky and bigger the vibration is

[visual lava]

Yep then you’re pretty much there

Just make sure it feels loose, you shouldn’t have to tighten or constrict your throat at all

[random tundra]

ok ok

ty

[random tundra]

is it normal to feel like I want to puke doing it:

?

[narrow pike]

probably

huge ahh cartilage wobbling around in your throat isnt something its used to

not even if you do hella inward bass

[random tundra]

lmao makes sense

when I really try to push and sustain it I feel like im about to puke lol\

[narrow pike]

same for me

the bigger the epiglottis vibration the more gag

but doesnt hurt

for me currently the most laborious to train is any chest bass

the cuneiforms like to scratch the fu­ck out of your throat

also the more im training chest the more I hate slizzer bass

shi sound so goofy

[zinc laurel]

is this inward bass?

[random tundra]

yeaaah

[random tundra]

exactly

@fervent crow @visual lava is this it? its feeling way more flappy now

its just weird how it doesn't sounds like theres to much rattle on it

big ahhh vibration

[random tundra]

I just noticed this is really similar to what remix calls evil bass on his chest bass tutorial

knowing he does zombie bass

pprobably im doing it

[narrow pike]

yea remix is generally sadly pretty far off with some stuff lmao

[random tundra]

yeah lol

he is teaching zombie bass while saying its evil

and when he vocalizes it he says its vocalized chest

lmao

[zinc wraith]

i could never understand how the arytenoid cartilages do their thing

[narrow pike]

understanding false cords, arytenoids and cuneiform oscillations does take a considerable amount of time

tbh I dont think id understand most of it if it wasnt for kindreds vid

[zinc wraith]

i somehow have hard bass but i have no idea what im doing to get it im just tightening random shi

the evil bass + chest bass combo explanation makes absolutely no sense

whenever i hear it

[narrow pike]

yea because its not actually that

common misconception

[zinc wraith]

i think its like a spectrum of really tight evil bass vs really loose evil bass

and its all about finding the sweet spot

idk

[narrow pike]

just evil bass + locked epiglottis giving it a sort of fry-like sound

[zinc wraith]

i dont have the thick texture

just sorta the higher end with no meat

[narrow pike]

then youre probably just doing something evil bass without locking your epiglottis

[zinc wraith]

ye

i think?

im not sure

[narrow pike]

I mean if you want you can send a clip

rn im just speculating

[zinc wraith]

i only have the older one that's like really tight and mid

but i cant record one right now cause my family will think im geeking

[narrow pike]

ye i feel you

[zinc wraith]

it would probably be more clear if i didnt use the tongue position and just did it normally

maybe idk

[narrow pike]

hmm

[zinc wraith]

icl i dont even know what this is

[narrow pike]

I think probably evil + maybe even a little zombie bass

[zinc wraith]

i was about to say

cuz its some gritty high pitched thing + some airy dog growl

i dont know how im getting them both at the same time

[narrow pike]

does it make you gag if you prolong it/push it harder

[zinc wraith]

no

if i push it as hard as possible there's no pain or gagging

i only gag when i do the dlow inward bass for a prolonged amount of time

but if i push it hard i lose the zombie bass part of it and it's only the gritty high pitch

or maybe the zombie bass is still there and just goes up higher to sync up

[narrow pike]

ok then it could still make sense, maybe not the largest zombie bass but rather as an accent kinda, cus when pushing that makes the evil bass higher and the epiglottis is so massive its hard to vocalize it with higher notes

[zinc wraith]

instead of the zombie bass working to make it thicker it just kinda acts like a separate sound altogether

its disgustingly annoying 🥀

i cant even beat it into submission

[narrow pike]

well hard bass normally is just evil bass + locked epiglottis, maybe youre actually in locked epiglottis position but overpower your evil bass by default so that you actually start an epiglottis vibration instead of letting it slowly release air

[zinc wraith]

the way to describe whatever this is is like juggling with 2 balls in the same hand

[fervent crow]

At that point we consider it to not be zombie bass but just an epiglottic rattle, as theres no extra bass coming from it

Its instead jus tthe sound you add to stuff when you raise your epiglottis

I can add it to throat bass

Playing with evil bass

[narrow pike]

ye ok whatever rather small difference but ight

[random tundra]

So hard to harmonize this shi with voice

Almost every time it just sounds messy af

Maybe I just need to get it better without voice lol

[narrow pike]

ye probably

I just got an actual double voice vro

like once

ts way too hard

but I do unsterstand it now so thats a plus

still some sorcery fr

figured it out by disassembling my falsetto poly actually

[random tundra]

No wau

This shi is like black magic

[narrow pike]

my falsetto poly is kinda like just a falsetto shield poly

so normal note + breathy note

sing normal note and push abruptly to knock it into the breathy note

still hella weird

dunno if this is the common double voice but its definitely a double voice

[random tundra]

this is a sound that I wish so much I could do it

but I don't understand any tutorial I watch lmao

[narrow pike]

yea me neither

its just a sound you gotta stumble upon i suppose

I just noticed that for the breathy falsetto note it has that weird bouncy sounding thing similar to how it sounds in double voice

then messed around a little and got it

but still only once with like the clean jump

also just found falsetto to breathy chest voice, more consistent jump but still weird to activate

breathy voice the goat tbh

bruh why tf can I only hit 3rd sub shield poly now

atm its like the warmer my voice is the harder it is to hit 2nd sub shield poly

which is kinda ass cus I need that for my vibration bass

1 week on a class trip no beatboxing and now im doing the impossible and losing easier variations of my sounds 💔

[random tundra]

if it's like that I'm screwed to learn it

I almost don't do high pitched stuff

only with inward bass

[narrow pike]

me neither

[random tundra]

and s9metimes I use poly too

[narrow pike]

only like falsetto poly but that also rarely

[random tundra]

that sucka

[random tundra]

ye

[narrow pike]

I mean I think itll def come back but just a lil annoying atm

I think I just lost a little grace with my sounds

[random tundra]

that happened to me last time I got sick

my throat bass and vibration bass got 5x more inconsistent because I stopped practicing then

I hate so much being bad at false folds stuff

[narrow pike]

cus throat bass gets overpowered into vibration bass and shield poly from 2nd into 3rd sub as well, just a little fine tuning ability lost I think, just gotta regain it but i dont think thatll be too bad

[narrow pike]

I mean what do you even really dabble in otherwise?

cus imo false cord stuff is the most identifiable to start with

[random tundra]

ye u will probably get it again

[narrow pike]

the rest does get hella swimmy

[random tundra]

bruh I learned throat after 1 year trying it

I even got vibration before it

lmao

chest bass stuff is way more natural for me

[narrow pike]

I mean hell even for vibration bass the cuneiforms are still vibrating cus theyre connected to the aryepiglottic folds

[random tundra]

even inward is easier to manipulate than throat bass for me

[narrow pike]

ok thats kinda crazy

[random tundra]

I just suck

at false folds

[narrow pike]

I just suffer from hella gag reflex but even thats getting better

[random tundra]

ye that's normal

I get that doing swallow inward really often

[random tundra]

it was a pain in the ass to get throat bass without voice

atleast I'm getting better at it

[narrow pike]

Ive recently thought of an analogy for throat/chest, if you think of the larynx as a rubber band and you pull it outwards left and right that brings front and back closer together (cuneiforms forward resulting in chest), then if you pull it outward front and back then you bring the sides closer together (squishing false folds together) resulting in throat bass

honestly idk if this works well for anybody else but for me its actually taught me chest bass in the first place

[random tundra]

I think that didn't changed much my perspective of it lol

[random tundra]

damn

what I did to get throat bass was unvibrationing my vibration bass

and it worked lol

[narrow pike]

lmao

I mean that does kinda makes sense tho

[random tundra]

yeah lmao

I did the same thing to get it wihtiur voice

like

I can do vibration with almost noth8ng of the vocal chords

so I just did it and unvibrationed it

and it worked lmao

kinda reminds me of chest bass actually

but with false folds

[narrow pike]

for me the key thing was just looking at the lateral and longitudinal stretching motion as completely separate and in order to get a clean chest/throat you mustnt "contaminate" what you want to achieve with the other stretch

[narrow pike]

i mean chest bass and throat bass are closer together than one would think

[random tundra]

makes sense I think

is just like

[narrow pike]

always gotta remember the larynx is rather small

[random tundra]

try to not make stuff u dont want to vibrate to vibrate

[random tundra]

ye

[random tundra]

vocalized is actually really different

[narrow pike]

main thing for me is just throat bass is very central in the larynx while chest bass is towards the sides

[narrow pike]

makes sense since aryepiglottic folds are connected to the cuneiforms

a completely independent oscillation is probably impossible

also I totally get what you mean, when I do unvocalized vibration bass it just feels like false folds + chest bass

[random tundra]

actually it can't even be unvocalized

if its unvocalized the harmony breaks and it becames unvocalizedd throat bass

its just a really less vocalized vibration

[random tundra]

ye

[random tundra]

for me is like

chest bass feels good throat bass feels weird

[narrow pike]

lol

[random tundra]

atleast I can do a 5th throat bass

[narrow pike]

to me chest is just super scratchy

[random tundra]

I like that so much

[random tundra]

slizzer is what feels weird for me in chest stuff

and sounds bad at the same time

[narrow pike]

ye slizzer bass is just ass

[random tundra]

yeah lol

[random tundra]

but I get what u saying

feels pretty much like that

and vibration is

idk

a little mix

[narrow pike]

ye

[random tundra]

going high with slizzer sounds so goddam bad

shi ass sound

[narrow pike]

I think it could be safe to say that the primary actors in vibration bass are true, false, aryepiglottics, and literally everything else in your throat apart from maybe epiglottis is probably secondarily affected by what the primary actors do

[random tundra]

idk

I really don't know about that

[narrow pike]

I mean it is just speculation but if you think about it why does adding jayton voice, a primarily false cord technique, to throat bass activate aryepiglottics

[random tundra]

ye

[narrow pike]

and then arys connected to cuneiforms those both connected to arytenoids and even true and false cords are connected to the arytenoids, with the power vibration bass can have I honestly dont doubt a little bit of everything wiggles

and just think about how beefy all of those folds in conglomeration are

[random tundra]

yeah thats a good point

[narrow pike]

thats not to say that in regular vib the cuneiforms and arytenoids are the most important part to focus on BUT id say theyre probably not negligible parts

where I kinda enter conspiracy territory with this is that remix' vibration bass mightve evolved from his old form which was a lot more "normal", to just change the cuneiform configuration which yields his special variation

so not fully chest bass not fully vibration bass

but honestly on that one I might be bat­shit

[fervent crow]

Thats the same for most basses tho, vibration by relation

[narrow pike]

ye for sure

but figuring out how this affects stuff in practice is the most interesting thing imo

and also the hardest

like making everything in your throat vibrate is likely the easiest thing you can do but making each part have a relevant and good sounding role will be super hard

then modifying the cuneiform aryepiglottic relationship can probably be even more fruitful

but even that is only one of many things

[visual lava]

Whenever I do it, I don’t feel like that at all

Idk, maybe it’s just different for each person

I don’t feel any pain/discomfort at all whenever I do it

The only time it feels uncomfortable/starts to hurt us if I do it for like 10 mins straight, but that’s basically expected

[visual lava]

This sounds a lot more on the right track

Just try to isolate the vibration itself, and try not to add anything else into it while still keeping your throat really loose and relaxed

I didn’t do any warmup so it sounds not very good rn but try to aim for something like this

@fervent crow feel free to add anything

[fervent crow]

zombie bass is your thing amigo

[visual lava]

Alr lol

[random tundra]

Yeah that's what I'm trying to do

Even tho the flappyth8ng is flapping more, still feels like there is chest bass on it

[little salmon]

Any tips on JP clicks, or also known as Xaphires clicks

Vibration, are you supposed to use your throat bass and go low with that and train it, or use train voice go low with that cause that's how I learned it?

[random tundra]

U can do both ways

[little salmon]

So can I possibly have 2 vibrations cause I feel like I can get a vibration with throat bass

[random tundra]

An

Wait

Ah ok u edited the message

[little salmon]

Cause mine's clean kind of like codfishes, but if I try to do it with throat bass I have a feeling it's gonna sound like remix and maybe OSis

[random tundra]

Can u send an audio of both?

[little salmon]

I possibly can but I have to wait till I get my phone, it'll be a while so is it okay if you can answer the best you can?

[random tundra]

The way u described this second one is more like alien bass i think

[random tundra]

Ok np

[little salmon]

Is an alien base combining the vocal fry, and the higher vocal fry

[random tundra]

Alien bass is a vocal fry subharmonic combined with jayton voice

[little salmon]

Forgot I'm working on that too could use some tips about that, the indicator alien bass

[random tundra]

Alien bass is with the vocal fry man

@narrow pike

[little salmon]

Yeah I see

[random tundra]

I can't do that lmao

[little salmon]

Sorry I've got so many questions

But for basics any tips on the lip roll, I can do punchy, but I can't do the 1 you suck in air with. And having trouble with the outward k snare.

[random tundra]

Np

[narrow pike]

honestly for alien bass its just being able to keep that 2nd fry sub going and adding jayton voice

then with that 2nd fry sub and jayton voice you can further make it resonate in a special way that allows it to go 3rd sub

theres not that much to it, pretty simple bass imo

[narrow pike]

for liproll try playing around with your tongue position, its super important and makes the difference between basically all liproll variations

for outward k just add an impact to a duck sound

[random tundra]

Maybe try to change the tongue postion

For the lip roll

[random tundra]

Yeah

[little salmon]

How do I make it go longer

[narrow pike]

breathe in 👍

[little salmon]

Your throat supposed to be hollow and closed?

[narrow pike]

huh?

if you want to maintain a liproll for a longer amount of time do a continuous inward breath

[random tundra]

If u hollow ur throat while making a lip roll u will get hollow lip roll

For the normal one, just breath in

[little salmon]

You mean suck air in?

[random tundra]

Yeah

Through the lip roll

[little salmon]

Cause there's 2 or actually 3 types of liberal right punchy, normal sucking air in, and hollow right

Lip roll*

[narrow pike]

theres waaaay more variations

[little salmon]

Just probably more but those are the ones I know

Yeah LOL

[narrow pike]

I personally dont consider breathing in/laryngeal intake different variations themselves

[little salmon]

My bad if it says I'm typing I'm on a fire stick so it's gonna say I'm constantly typing

[narrow pike]

lmao no problem

[little salmon]

Oh I see

[random tundra]

Lmao np

[random tundra]

Just try to breathe in and get one of them

Worry about the variations later

[little salmon]

Yeah I can tell my liberal sounds pretty good so far, and it only been maybe a week kind of scaring myself with how fast I'm progressing

But that's fine, I've been doing punchy for about a year thinking it was the normal liprll

[narrow pike]

so the liproll variations off the top of my head are: normal, punchy (2 sub variations I know of), hollow, cyclone, cyclotron (punchy cyclone essentially), click/slizzer roll + liproll

ye thats bout it

and thats only unvocalized

add different vocal techniques and theres even more

[little salmon]

Oh wow I just did a inward polyphonic lip roll

But all right I'm gonna go work on them

[narrow pike]

damn nice

i dont mess with inward polys that much, uncomfortable ash

[fervent crow]

\

[fervent crow]

theres 3 punchy variations

bottom lip, toplip (codfish) and broad side

[random tundra]

@visual lava how does ur zombie bass sounds like when u vocalized it:

?

[visual lava]

I usually only use my zombie bass unvocalized but here’s how it sounds if I vocalize it

[narrow pike]

why do you only use unvocalized?

vocalized sounds way cooler

[random tundra]

lol fr

[random tundra]

ty

[visual lava]

Idk for me unvocalized sounds cooler

[visual lava]

Ye np

[visual lava]

I just like the texture of unvocalized vs vocalized

Why do you think vocalized sounds better? Genuinely curious

[narrow pike]

texture

[zinc wraith]

sounds fuller

[narrow pike]

also just cus harmonic stuff is wayy cooler

it sounds more monstrous

[zinc wraith]

most of the time vocalized stuff sounds nicer than the dry thing

except for hard bass

[random tundra]

sounds full af

[random tundra]

yeaah

[visual lava]

Huh ok

[random tundra]

sounds more harmonious

[visual lava]

Ig I’ll start training it then lol

[visual lava]

True true

[zinc wraith]

maybe vocalized hard bass could sound nice but its impossible to pitch it properly

[random tundra]

for me vocalized zombie is really similar to my vocalized chest

[visual lava]

It’s super different for me

[random tundra]

but the rattle on the vocalized zombie bass makes it sounds cooler

[narrow pike]

try poly sub + vocalized zombie bass = epiglottic vibration bass

[visual lava]

Yeah

[narrow pike]

idk if thats a thing but I imagine it can work

[visual lava]

No clue how to do that lol

[zinc wraith]

is poly subbass the one with the nasal + mouth fry

[random tundra]

both are on the same range for me

[visual lava]

I only know one type of poly

[narrow pike]

💔

[visual lava]

Huh

[random tundra]

but the vocalized zombie bass sounds waaay more nasty on my opinion

[narrow pike]

well thats what indicator called it but he was just wrong tbh

[zinc wraith]

oh

then i have no idea how it works

[narrow pike]

real poly sub is shield poly

[random tundra]

yeah lmao

[random tundra]

vocal fry subharmonic with jayton voice and dual projection

[zinc wraith]

sounds much cleaner than vibration

[random tundra]

yeah

[narrow pike]

shield poly is honestly closer to alien bass and fry sub than any other bass

[random tundra]

but its has waaay less volume

and its harder

[zinc wraith]

im not even gonna bother trying to learn it

no point

[random tundra]

vocal fry subs in general are pretty quiet and hard af to do

[zinc wraith]

i only have some odd vocal fry harmonic which i mistook for vibration bass until i got corrected

[random tundra]

just get vibrastion bass or poly chest lol

[zinc wraith]

cant do either 💔

[random tundra]

vibration is not hard

[zinc wraith]

i cant even do throat bass

[random tundra]

just poly chest bass that is weird af

[zinc wraith]

stunning revelation

[narrow pike]

normally id agree, low volume, no real power and not really hard just inconsistent, but it can act as a gateway for shield poly

[zinc wraith]

i have my hands full with developing hard bass

[random tundra]

yeah its inconsistent affff

[zinc wraith]

sounds like dark souls difficulty

[narrow pike]

which is one of the most handy technique to have not just cus of how it sounds but its also super practical in finding out what subharmonics a vocal bass involves

[random tundra]

I remember seeing a vid of indicator doing im an alien in a live battle and the bass just sounds bad

[zinc wraith]

wasnt unc out of breath there?

[random tundra]

prob both things idk

[zinc wraith]

i think there were complaints about the air being dry on stage

[random tundra]

shi was like a low humming on the mic

[zinc wraith]

when i first heard it live i thought my ears were too undeveloped to comprehend it

lol

[narrow pike]

not that hard honestly, I tried turning alien bass into a sort of vibration bass by just doing it breathy, and it yielded shield poly automatically

[random tundra]

pretty normal lol

[zinc wraith]

somehow evil bass is easier than throat 🥀

[zinc wraith]

🏞️

[random tundra]

I somehow only can do evil bass inwards

[zinc wraith]

so like dlow inward bass