#Offering help with bass stuff

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random tundra
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ye

fervent crow
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Oh yeah i found an insane cyclone liproll recently, where instead of doing a liproll over a toothless tooth whistle, i moreso do them... Seperatwlt?

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Kinda?

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Like the liproll is partially over it, but the middle of my lips is also open to get the whistle

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So its super loud

narrow pike
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might be similar to one i do

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i just call it punchy cyclone or cyclotron liproll

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can you send a vid or sum?

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also, toothless tooth whistle 💔?

fervent crow
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Yeah?

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Toothless tooth whistle is a thing

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But the cyclone itself is so inconsistant so give me a bit- actually i can sometimes do it with double liproll

tidal quartz
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wsp @fervent crow

fervent crow
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Yo

tidal quartz
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u remember me ? xd

fervent crow
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Name is familiar

fervent crow
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I dont get it a whole lot but its hard to get the whistle through with such a heavy liproll

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@narrow pike i get it more in the 2nd half

narrow pike
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tongue turned towards the liproll

narrow pike
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cus tooth whistle is just inward laser whistle

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then instead of toothless just add lip prefix

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way more straight forward imo

tepid comet
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i think thats how he learned it

fervent crow
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center liproll is different fromdouble

fervent crow
fervent crow
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ah

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it gets so confusing at that point still lol

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i actually learned this before tooth whistle, i got tooth whistle by accident cause i put my teeth onto mylip-

narrow pike
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just even having tooth in the name of that sound is kinda nonsensical to me cus the role of teeth can be replaced by literally anything, teeth, upper lip, even fingers or even other objects

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i could rant about this for hours tbh

fervent crow
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and now you know how i feel about most bass naming conventions.

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i can rant for ages about how stupid"inward bass", "Chest bass", "Vocal bass", "primal fear tongue bass" are

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im not safe from it, i have demon tongue bass, but like...

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or clickroll EXISTING

random tundra
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just got inward evil bass or something like that

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weird af feeling ngl

fervent crow
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Def a form of evil inward lol

random tundra
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now I need somehow make it outwards

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😭

fervent crow
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Lmao

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I got outward evil bass like once

random tundra
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I recently discovered that my evil bass is not evil bass

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its not even an actual bass

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thats why my "hardbass" sounds messy af

fervent crow
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Ah lol

fervent crow
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Yall wanna hear some crazy stuff?

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To do with new info i learned today bout vibration?

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Also electric is right, its not one bass beint higher than the voice, it is a 5th below the voices note like normal

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@random tundra you may find it interesting

narrow pike
fervent crow
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So ok

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Vibration

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The throat bass is tightened so its a 5th below the voice, then the aryepiglottic folds are an octave and a 5th below the voice

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Take a guess, what does the throat bass do when i go say 3rd sub

narrow pike
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it goes 2nd sub?

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ion kno

fervent crow
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Well technicallt the throat bass is no sub when its only a 5th below the voice

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And thats when vibration is 2nd sub as a whole

narrow pike
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then for 3rd sub the throat bass is an octave and a 5th lower or sum and the arys go to the next valid interval or whatever

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the 4:3:1 frequency thing?

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or whatever it was

fervent crow
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Well, then it would be 2nd sub + 3rd sub

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and would it not be hyper dissonant at that point?

narrow pike
fervent crow
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My thought was it would go back down to an octave below the voice to harmonize with the 2 octaves that is 3rd sub

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But same dillema, would be 1st + 3rd

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Ofc here it would be harmonized perfectly

narrow pike
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I mean I was always thinking youre just singing 3 notes with true, false, arys, then adjusting which frequencies all of them have to hit those subharmonic ratios

fervent crow
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But not the same way

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Well, ofc it happens automatically

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It takes an insane amount of control to swperate them with purpous

fervent crow
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Even 2nd sub is only 2 notes

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3rd sub is technically one note

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Same with first

narrow pike
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ye english my second language I just use note as word for frequency although yea thats probably not correct

fervent crow
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Lol

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Wanna know where the throat bass goes?

narrow pike
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yee

fervent crow
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Well

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If it cant go down

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Theres only one way left to go

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Ill let you finish that

narrow pike
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it go up

fervent crow
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Mhm

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For 3rd sub vibration, the throat bass perfectly matches the pitch of your voice

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Same interval, note, octave

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Everything

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Almost removes it from the equation

narrow pike
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except for how it lets you let the aryepiglottics vibrate?

fervent crow
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Yup

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The tightness is there still

narrow pike
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and if you wanna go 4th sub vibration does the throat bass go higher than the voice

fervent crow
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Yup

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And to test your memory

narrow pike
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so thats why that shi so hard

fervent crow
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What pitch would the throat bass be at to harmonize?

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Or note difference from the voice

narrow pike
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da 5th?

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I barely mess with throat anymore + tone deaf

fervent crow
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No

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:3

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To harmonize, the throat bass would be a 3rd above the voice

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As 4th sub is 2 octaves and a 3rd below

narrow pike
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man I really needa get in on the note, pitch, frequency lingo again

fervent crow
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Lol

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And it keeps going up

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Its something i realized as i was thinking of how i do third sub vibration

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In order for me to go lower subs, i make my throat bass tighter and tighter

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Yk what happens when you make a sound tighter?

narrow pike
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higher frequency

fervent crow
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Yup, and higher note

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Also linked back to when me and subharmonics tried to do a reverse vibration, with the throat bass a 5th higher then the voice, we got super low subs

narrow pike
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thats cool

fervent crow
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So, yeah

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The bass does go higher, but not normally

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Now im asking sub about 8th subharmonic...

narrow pike
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ayo

fervent crow
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Because

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8th subharmonic

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Is 3 octaves below the voice

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So im wondering where the throat bass will reside

narrow pike
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can he actually hit 8th sub

fervent crow
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With his version i beleive so

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i can hit it maybe

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Thing is i needa do it on a higher note

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Like with most sounds going below 5th sub

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Actually his lowest sub on any sound, is him going whistle note on lip oscillations

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Cause technically, the bass doesnt have to get lower

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If the voice gets higher

narrow pike
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a yea that strat, makes sense

fervent crow
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Then you can get into even lower subs

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I think hes done like 30th sub almost with whistle reg?

narrow pike
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crazy

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I cant even go into whistle register without accidentally killing myself in the process

fervent crow
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Ive gotten maybe to 10th with falsetto

fervent crow
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Been doing a propper triple arpeggio yodel, tho not normal arpeggio, like down, i dont know the name for a downwards arp

narrow pike
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I think arpeggios go for both

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descending and ascending

fervent crow
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Ah kk

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Then yeah

narrow pike
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sick tho

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I got like 0 arpeggios

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except some with whale whistles but those are too easy

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they dont count

wooden cedar
fervent crow
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no clue

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just that it was in whistle reg

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so really high

wooden cedar
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yeah

fervent crow
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either mid 6th or low 7th octave

wooden cedar
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30th sub is crazy though

fervent crow
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ya

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really with any sound, once you reach 11th sub, you can hit infinite

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its just harder to go lower subs at lower fundimental pitches

wooden cedar
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yeah

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I was going to say Ive only gotten down to 4th sub with fry subs

fervent crow
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ive gotten to 5th with normal low vocal bass

wooden cedar
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nice

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past 3rd sub is where that gets hard for me as of right now

fervent crow
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past 3rd is also where it stops mattering lmao

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past 3rd the texture becomes so slow and the voice either so dominant or non existant that it just sounds bad

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for every sound

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i dont think theres a single exeption

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fun fact, 2 of the lowest subs i hear for sounds, actually 3, and like known sounds

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are crythix high bass, monke bass, and adi falsetto chest bass

random tundra
random tundra
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Different frequencies, that's why it's on the subharmonic ratio

fervent crow
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That would simply be 1st sub + third sub

random tundra
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Ngl doesn't make sense to me throat bass getting on the same octave as ur normal voice

fervent crow
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Lol, it is a weird thought

random tundra
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Yeah

fervent crow
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But technically its not required to be allways subharmonic

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It can be seperated

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The closest to it we reaally have is vocalized lipbuzz i beleive

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For an example

random tundra
fervent crow
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You can do the same with the arytenoids for vibration chest

fervent crow
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Its there as a texture

random tundra
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I know, because what makes the 1 octabe and a fifth sub is the arys

fervent crow
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Ye

random tundra
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Which are vibrating an octaves and a fifth under

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But idk for 3rd sub

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It's a really weird idea having throat bass on the same octave as vocal chords

fervent crow
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3rd sub they are still 2 octaves like normal, but throat bass has to be able to harmonize with that without becoming its own subharmonic

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And becsuse of how tight i have to get to go lower subs

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It fully checks out

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Its weird, but true

random tundra
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Can u actually get the same tightness without doing the sub with arys?

fervent crow
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Constricted singing

random tundra
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I mean, with false folds fully vibrating

fervent crow
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3rd sub vibrstion actuslly feels like it turns into just very constricted singing

random tundra
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Like in throat bass

fervent crow
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It physically cant be a full vibration as that would mean it was lower pitch

random tundra
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Makes sense knowing that false folds are bigger

fervent crow
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Ye

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Bigger yet less precise in its movements

random tundra
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Yep

random tundra
fervent crow
random tundra
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Because 1st + 3rd wouldn't create another sub

fervent crow
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It would be the exact same concept

random tundra
# fervent crow

Yeah kinda sounds like the false folds are less involved on 3rd sub

fervent crow
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1st sub + 3rd sub doesnt create a new sub no, but they harmonize

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But that is not whats happening with 3rd sub vibration

random tundra
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So it sounds harmonized

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On a sub interval

fervent crow
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Yes, but in this case, doesnt matter much

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A sub + a sub is still noticably a sub + a sun

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Sub*

random tundra
# fervent crow

Its hard to tell with uvula because of how clicky it sounds

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I'm not used to hearing it

fervent crow
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Lol

random tundra
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Lol

random tundra
fervent crow
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Doesnt helo my throat bass is the opposite of warmed up rn

random tundra
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Lmao np

fervent crow
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I havnt done throat bass since last night lmao

random tundra
fervent crow
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Nah, also

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If you listen to the 3rd sub vibration rwcording

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Its missing the fullness

random tundra
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Yeah

fervent crow
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What happenes when you have 3rd sub + 1st sub, the 1st sub fills in the gaps of the 3rd sub

random tundra
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Aaaaaah

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Ok

fervent crow
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The gaps are still open for 3rd sub vibration

random tundra
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Now u convinced me

random tundra
fervent crow
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Lol

random tundra
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It's because it's a really weird idea

fervent crow
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Which makes sense as the interval of the 3rd sub is exactly half of the 1st sub interval-

fervent crow
random tundra
fervent crow
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When really its false folds + arys lol

random tundra
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Yeah yeah

fervent crow
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Anyways gotta go to school

random tundra
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Ok np

wooden cedar
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how many laryngoscope videos do we know of and could someone send them to me? i remember seeing one but cant remember and want to revisit it

narrow pike
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kindred harvest has basically the only one i believe

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"theory of vocal bass"

narrow pike
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otherwise theres one on tedtalk or sum with tom thum

wooden cedar
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ty

fervent crow
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he was the first

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and hes who people refure to

narrow pike
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I cant even find his

fervent crow
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lol

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idk its who the ogs refure 5to

silver marten
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Hey, I was wondering which basses can you/can’t you do with mouth open? Mainly wondering for throat, chest, vibration and inward. Thanks in advance

random tundra
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I think every vocal bass u can do with mouth open u can do with closed mouth

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except for uvula stuff

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nasal uvula bass is different of normal uvula bass

silver marten
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Thanks

random tundra
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np

wooden cedar
random tundra
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trought ur oral cavity vocal bass/uvula bass

wooden cedar
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closing mouth doesnt necessarily mean its doing it through the nose?

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or am I wrong about that

wooden cedar
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Nasal is just placement of sound and you don’t get nasally unless you place the sound forward, which isn’t done just by closing the mouth?

random tundra
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if ur mouth is fully closed, yes

random tundra
wooden cedar
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closing the mouth doesnt directly mean it is through the nose?

random tundra
narrow pike
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I mean closing your lips doesnt mean youre closing your mouth

fervent crow
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Nasal vocal bass is fully through the nose, not like side tongue bass vs closed mouth tongue bass

random tundra
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@fervent crow do u think this is close to bv bass?

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this shi loud af

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there is a specific position where it gets really loud

random tundra
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idk why but on the record doesn't sounds as loud as it is

fervent crow
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Probably bv bass then yeah

fervent crow
random tundra
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idk the mic just doesn't capture it

fervent crow
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Like if you listen to bv in the 2021 circle jam, instantly fills the mic with bass

random tundra
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all the loudness

fervent crow
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@narrow pike this sound right for something close to shield poly?

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Feels and sounrs weird buut-

fervent crow
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Sick

narrow pike
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where it starts kinda like crackling or sum(?) dunno what else to call it, is when youre hitting it

fervent crow
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Got it cause ive been working on tightening muscles seperately, so i thought of trying to control my vocal chords and tightening just them

narrow pike
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to me shield poly is essentially the same as fry sub but without the fry

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same thing just more space between the cords

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and if you really feel for it it does just feel like a beefed up fry sub

fervent crow
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Hnm, for me felt like a softer throat bass

narrow pike
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I mean its definitely comparable to both

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but if youre going for a vocal cord only feeling thats similar fry sub is as close as you can get

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also weird is with how soft it is that its still powerful asf

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like I can get my vision to shake just by doing shield poly

fervent crow
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Ah lol

random tundra
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DUE

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DUDE

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I think I just got 3rd sub vib

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@fervent crow

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im not getting crazy, right?

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holy fck

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its not fully on 3rd sub

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but def the lower note is changing a bit

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NOW I GOT IT RIGHT

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THIS THING IS SO LOW

fervent crow
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def hitting third sub lol

random tundra
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dammmmn

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got it completly by mistake

fervent crow
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then theres the fun part, using it

random tundra
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loll

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so unstable

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its such a weird feeling

fervent crow
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but then you can join me as the only like 3 people who do!

random tundra
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really feels like only the arys note are changing

fervent crow
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yeah, when you get better at it you notice the false folds changing more

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aka them just turning into constricted singing

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also espesh when you get to 4th sub

random tundra
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I ill see it

random tundra
fervent crow
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yeah

random tundra
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changing individuals muscles vibration while not changing others is such a weird thing lol

random tundra
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lmao

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I still think its really weird having better control on vibration than throat bass

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idk why that happens to me

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my throat bass feels so bad

fervent crow
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eh, not too weird

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vibration just has more to control

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it is ultimately easier to do stuff with as of the shape of the aryepiglottif folds

narrow pike
fervent crow
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really bv bass is just a much sharper and way louder vocalized chest bass

narrow pike
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yea

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with it theres this weird thing that when sliding into it or not hitting it cleanly where it can legit sound like stones grinding

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thats how I interpret it at least lol

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honestly not too big of a fan of bv bass tho

fervent crow
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lol

narrow pike
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I wonder if its possible to desync aryepiglottics and arytenoids tho

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I think kinda? like when im doing bv bass ig I can easily flip between that and another bass that feels almost the same but sounds pretty different

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although that might just be a different bv subharmonic cus I dont really have a good ear for subs

fervent crow
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The aryepiglottic folds are right next to the arytenoids, and dont have the same tightness like vibration

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Its closer to taking the chest bass vibrstion and almost extending it

zinc laurel
fervent crow
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No

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Normal vocalized chest bass aka 2nd sub

fervent crow
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its closer to throat bass then really anything else that can get you lol

zinc laurel
fervent crow
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Well, you use the position of that, then do the clearing the throat method in yhe exact same position

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Until you can reliably get a vibration

gusty iron
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broo i need help understanding helium’s trapdoorboom

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how does that liproll sound so electric or is it a diff technique

fervent crow
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Alot of editing

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Hes switching to hyper produced tracks now

gusty iron
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what abt 2:03 the lip oscillation lookin one with the finger

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is that edited effects too? cuz tbh the finger looks like it ain’t even doing much

fervent crow
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The stutter is there, but the sound itself def no

narrow pike
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or just for the lip oscill he stops it from being able to open up

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techniques are fully legit

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he also showed it in his ig story

narrow pike
fervent crow
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Lots of editinf

narrow pike
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ye

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but tbh in comparison to like improver its still rather moderate

fervent crow
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Well, improver is more like intense effects, heliums really been warping it lately

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Hence why he changed it to his real name, cause hes making produced music rather then just normal beatbox

narrow pike
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definitely increased recently but

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like helium doesnt have the craziest sound pallette in that vid and most of it is in essence recreatable to me

fervent crow
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One of his more recent tracks recentlt... Not trapdoorboom, one of his covers i think, he post processing layered his hollow whistles

narrow pike
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thats on a per sound basis tho, I cannot hit that entire piece obv

fervent crow
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Is it interstellar? I swear that was a way older one

narrow pike
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i dont know tbh

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basically all of his recent tracks use hollow whistle to some extent

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and I dont really remember specifics cus most of his recent stuff isnt that much to my liking honestly

fervent crow
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I liked his fable cover

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But yeah hes fully leaning into the production rather then just touching it

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Just wish they would put content warnings on it for it being produced

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Cause the more you produce a song, the less beleivable it gets

narrow pike
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id kinda enjoy a raw audio video

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maybe unlisted an link in desc

fervent crow
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He said ina. Comment that for raw beatbox to go watch his streams

narrow pike
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ye ive done that sometimes

fervent crow
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I dont watch most beatboxers streams

narrow pike
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but kinda also a weird thing to say

fervent crow
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Besides dens

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Or remix's

narrow pike
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for me only dlow and remix sometimes

fervent crow
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Dlow for me rarely, i like chats where i can chat

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Its why i dont watch big streamers

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Or non chat proactive streamers

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the first couple bursts were most promising

stuck stump
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I just realized why does my eyes always roll back into my head when I do chest bass lmao

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I never even noticed that

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It’s kinda funny

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Also when I do my vcb and I try to sound more constipated then the sound gets sharper and I thought it was throat bass but now I don’t think so

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Idk what it is

fervent crow
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Could be either constricted voice + chest bass, bv bass, or slizzer

fervent crow
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updated this fun fact

meager wave
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So I did something stupid and I have no clue what this bass is

fervent crow
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Oh?

fervent crow
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@random tundra

random tundra
random tundra
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I can only hear the uvula going nuts

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and some kinda of inward idk

zinc laurel
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when you clear your throat for throat bass, do you go ahem with constricted voice? Or is there something else to it

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I'm used to clearing my throat for chest bass btw

random tundra
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@fervent crow how do I go low with throat bass without going into vibration?

fervent crow
fervent crow
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Cause your voice naturally can easily go below the false folds, forcing vibrstion

random tundra
fervent crow
zinc laurel
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are you moving the epiglottis when you clear throat for throat bass?

fervent crow
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like maybe a centimeter

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about as much as you would normally speak with

zinc laurel
fervent crow
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kinda? you sound like you are aiming kinda high

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try focusing on your voice a bit more

random tundra
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wait kinda sounds like there is a bit of shields poly

fervent crow
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Might have shield poly then lol

random tundra
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what do u think?

fervent crow
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I think so, sounds off as in seperated pitches

narrow pike
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as in focus more on the vocal cords themselves

random tundra
fervent crow
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Yeah lol

random tundra
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how many ways I can make vibration bass go poly?

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if there is any way

fervent crow
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Like make it into double vibration?

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Or just add more notes

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/spreading out the notes

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/spreading out the notes

random tundra
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like with poly chest or double inward

narrow pike
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ok so

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essentially

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loose inward + tight inward ig

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think doing wings + normal vibration bass

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at least i think

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I cant even do loose throat bass

random tundra
random tundra
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idk

narrow pike
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needa find 2 positions for all components that are involved, and then make them subharmonic to eachother so your throat doesnt die

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thats my guess

zinc laurel
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Is the buzzing a good sign when doing the jayton voice?

fervent crow
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I can only do loose inward

zinc laurel
narrow pike
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what

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like with a specific mouth position cus then that would make sense but otherwise no clue what youre talking about

zinc laurel
narrow pike
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an audio would be good cuz the closest thing to buzzing in the larynx would be fry sub imo but obv cant be sure till I hear it

zinc laurel
narrow pike
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then might very well be fry sub

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but even if you cant hear the buzz on audio it still helps in identifying what youre doing

zinc laurel
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fry sub as in vocal fry?

narrow pike
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voice + fry

stuck stump
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It makes me want to throw up when I do it lmao

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It’s like triggering my gag reflex

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(Talking about the lower sound at the end)

upper spear
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Can someone help me about vibration bass pls🙏

fervent crow
fervent crow
stuck stump
fervent crow
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Just your epiglottis might be super raised snd your throat quite closed

fervent crow
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Typically can cause a gag reflex if its strong enough

stuck stump
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Wait why do the vibrations get harder when I close my throat more while doing vcb

fervent crow
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Less space

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Less room for smooth automatic oscillations

meager wave
tepid comet
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@fervent crow what are your thoughts on this double voice / voice crack bass concept ive been working on

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idk how id put it on a beat and sometimes it sounds unreal with I hit the voice crack perfectly, do u think its something worth training?

fervent crow
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Certainly sounds like it yeah

narrow pike
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then its honestly probably hella usable

fervent crow
tepid comet
tepid comet
narrow pike
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ye ok definitely not double voice sounds as bad as my attempts

tepid comet
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haha

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yeah

narrow pike
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double voice is black magic

tepid comet
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so mines an actual authentic voice crack within the bass itself

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but i cant do double voice 😭 man wtf

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I think i just found it out actually. i think the tightening of my bass cuts off the bass sound and for a breif moment just shows my actual voice

narrow pike
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i mean bass mechanics get funky but maybe its just double voicing throat bass to some extent which probably wouldnt require a clean double voice just small shift could suffice

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ye

tepid comet
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ill have to play around with it and see. it reminds me of enels glitch in his bass

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which my bass is a fry + chest + throat bass so it would make sense that I can replicate his

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do u have any suggestions in terms of fitting it into a song?

narrow pike
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I mean most obvious ones you can try around with is just imitating codfish

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he does something similar

tepid comet
narrow pike
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i mean im not sure but I think hes switching between nasal and oral projection

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and also normal voice sometimes ig

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which either way you would be able to imitate with your technique if you can do it well

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as in writing original songs with it

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ion kno

tepid comet
narrow pike
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im not even at that step myself yet really

tepid comet
# tepid comet

this is my first take from hearing part of his wildcard just now

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i think hes just going up and down in pitch

tepid comet
tepid comet
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i didnt know what a kick or snare was before beatboxing and im still very new to it

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i just learned what bpm was

narrow pike
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shi takes hella time sadly

tepid comet
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do u have any youtube vids or advice on how to learn?

narrow pike
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hmm well honestly im just starting to make template combos n stuff so i dont really have any routines either, even tho im not the biggest fan of his in terms of music theory nazca does a good job at delivering the essentials

tepid comet
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nazca has been the best teacher ive seen so far. no one else goes in depth like he does

narrow pike
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like I have one crazy pallette position i havent really seen anyone else explore

tepid comet
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which area?

narrow pike
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its on the side and has tons of laser whistley, high power airstreams and plosives stuff

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also laser basses super loud snares

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allat

tepid comet
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like at the top of the teeth or inbetween the bottom lip and teeth?

tepid comet
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i really wanna learn fableys thing. it sounds so cool

narrow pike
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also hella depends on if the sound is outward or inward

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honestly i couldnt explain most of that pallette position in messages

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id have to do it face to face and itd take hours

tepid comet
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but very cool bro

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i gtg but thanks for all the help

narrow pike
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thanks, np

random tundra
random tundra
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vocalized fried chest

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but the bass itself is really really quiet

random tundra
stuck stump
narrow pike
random tundra
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sounds like ur tightning ur slizzer bass in a way that the chest bass underneath it get fried

random tundra
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but I cant hear fry on that

random tundra
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frying it would make it louder

narrow pike
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resulting in unorthodox sounding fry

random tundra
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damn

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never heard that before

narrow pike
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I mean try

random tundra
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I can't even make fry with jayton voice lmao

narrow pike
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just trying to do the tightest throat bass you can do would probably emulate it somewhat

random tundra
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im def not doing that lmao

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dont want to fck up my voice

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I already suck enough on throat bass

narrow pike
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* within reason lmao

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doing it once will irritate but not kill your voice

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I mean I used to mess hella with fry sub and alien bass so its a familiar field for me

random tundra
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yeah

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im not that used to it

unkempt drum
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(Apologies for the background noise)

Trying to learn vocalised chest bass, but I can't get it to vibrate correctly

narrow pike
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while learning vcb I noticed that vocalizing is a lot easier if your regular chest bass isnt quite as airy

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makes it easier to vocalize and keep the arytenoid vibration initially and then advance from there

unkempt drum
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When I vocalise, it comes out like this - couldn't find the vibration I'm looking to get

random tundra
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its easier to harmonize it

unkempt drum
random tundra
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just try to get less air involved

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not necessarily tightening

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urs is sounding waaay whispery

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can u record ur normal chest bass?

unkempt drum
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Trying to learn chest bass altogether, lol

random tundra
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u should focus more on normal chest bass first

fervent crow
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Yeah

random tundra
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so u get more used to the bass vibrtion itself

unkempt drum
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Kept seeing vocalised chest bass tutorials instead, so I couldn't figure it our properly

random tundra
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becuase ur chest bass is sounding to much whispery

random tundra
unkempt drum
random tundra
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ah ok

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yeah the vibration is really small

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just practice it without vocalizing first

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get a more big chest vibration

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and get used to it]

unkempt drum
random tundra
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so when u get used to it

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u try to do it with less air

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and vocalize it

random tundra
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its just the vibration itself that is pretty small

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try to loose it more maybe

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and just practice it, because ur doing it right

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in 4/5 days u should already be starting to get it vocalized

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if u practice it constantly, ofc

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chest bass is not difficult

unkempt drum
fervent crow
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Man chest bass is so hard for me

random tundra
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ur doing it completely right

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the thing is, as I said before

unkempt drum
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Just a matter of practicing it and finding how to get it to vibrate more then, alr

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plus less air lol

random tundra
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yep

random tundra
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like

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once u start to make it vibrate more, u can make bigger vibrations without too much effort

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so

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basically with less air

unkempt drum
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I think the issue blooms from the less air part - How do you constrict the air, because I'm probably trying to reduce it wrong

random tundra
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when u get it right, u will almost automatically start to get it without pushing too much

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because u will be more used at doing it

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idk if that makes sense or not

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but it worked like this for me

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its like, getting used to bigger vibrations = more control of the sound, more control of the sound = less air involved

unkempt drum
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Yeah no, I'm completely struggling to make the vibration bigger ;/

i know that once I figure out how to do that, it'll come to me instantly, but I'm also stuck on that part sadly

random tundra
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that comes with time

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just dont worry about that and practice

unkempt drum
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alr man

random tundra
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there isnt much more to do lol

random tundra
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I suck at throat bass

random tundra
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try to really loose ur chest bass

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that will helo

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help

unkempt drum
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Is it simply that mine is too tight?

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Like, far too tight?

random tundra
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nah, but getting the throat relaxed can make hitting bigger vibrations easier

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(with chest bass

unkempt drum
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alr - I'll practice it for a couple weeks and see if I make any progress xd

random tundra
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ok ok

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good practice bud

fervent crow
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@random tundra

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Ive come to a sad observation/realization

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Im not doing chest bass

random tundra
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what do u think ur doing?

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tight zombie bass or something like that?

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because ur def doing zombie bass on this audio

random tundra
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hitting a nice interval with double inward feels so good holy crap

fervent crow
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Actuallt...my "chest bass" ive been doing this whole time

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Actually is closer to a loose evil bass

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OH WAIT we havnt caught you up on the new bass anatomy lore carlos

random tundra
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dammmmmmmmmn

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whats new?

random tundra
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unfortunately I still cant hold this shi

fervent crow
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Holy crap!

random tundra
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bruh why there is a bunch of gain on it

fervent crow
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My headphones legit SHOOK

random tundra
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LMAO

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I swear this sound is so sick

random tundra
fervent crow
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Opening discord on pc so i can explain ir

random tundra
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ok ok

fervent crow
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Everythinfs changed, we were wrong on so many levels

random tundra
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holy shi

fervent crow
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Well, everything chest bass related has changed just about

random tundra
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what happened?

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who did the research?

fervent crow
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So i spoke with kindreon for... 4 hours?

random tundra
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how

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when

fervent crow
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5 hours?

random tundra
fervent crow
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Lol

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Yeah

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The big guns contacted me

random tundra
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yeah lol

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SO NOW TELL ME

fervent crow
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ok on pc now

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so

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chest bass

random tundra
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ur making me more curious

fervent crow
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what have we said it is?

random tundra
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arytenoids

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vibrating

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with raised eppiglotis

fervent crow
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well, we were essentually wrong

random tundra
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hmmm

fervent crow
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remember on my anatomy diagram, the muscles i highlighted werent labled the arytenoids?

random tundra
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ye

fervent crow
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i shouldve taken this as a hint

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what do they say there

random tundra
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that are not clearly labled out

fervent crow
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yes they are

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on the bottom left

random tundra
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the cuneiform tubercle thing?

fervent crow
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i never thought much of it

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yes

random tundra
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whats about it?

fervent crow
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chest bass is an oscillation of the cuneiform tubercles oscillating

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not the arytenoids, though the cuneiform is technically the tip of them, they are just about their own muscle

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and the raised epiglottis is not required

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Ik has touched on this

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how theres resting, raised, and locked

random tundra
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yeah yeah

fervent crow
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you can do chest bass with a resting/lowered epiglottis

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and actually lower your voice box down

random tundra
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and what made u both believe its the cuneiform oscilatting?

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footage of it?

fervent crow
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kindreon litterally sticking a bunch of cameras down his throat

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over the past few years lol

random tundra
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yeah makes sense lol

fervent crow
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we knew it was the cuneiform, but saying just the arytenoids... complicates alot

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now

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what is evil bass

random tundra
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idk

fervent crow
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ignore the diagram cause it was wrong even when i made it

random tundra
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AAAH

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the arytenoids?

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or nah

fervent crow
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yup

random tundra
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HELL YEAH I SAID SOMETHING THAT IS CORRECT

fervent crow
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evil bass is a full arytenoid rattle

random tundra
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and what about hardbass?

fervent crow
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of the arytenoids being super pressed together

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hard bass, also i was wrong

random tundra
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if the cuneifroms are the tip of the arytenoids

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how can u do chest + evil

fervent crow
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you cant

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bare with me

random tundra
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if evil is just the entire thing

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ah ok

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lmao

fervent crow
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so i mentioned locked chest bass

random tundra
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yeah

fervent crow
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aka where you press both your epiglottis and bottom of your tongue against the opposite side of your throat

random tundra
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hm

fervent crow
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hard bass, is locked evil bass

random tundra
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so why it sounds lower?

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why locking it makes it sounds lower?

random tundra
fervent crow
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because its locked, weird stuff happens when you lock it, your throat can loosen in weird ways

fervent crow
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we get to that later

random tundra
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hm ok ok

fervent crow
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allready a massive muscle

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not to mention when you lock a bass

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the resonance changes

random tundra
fervent crow
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it can become way deeper and bassier

random tundra
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makes sense

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so

fervent crow
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its different from just raising your epiglottis or tongue

random tundra
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if chest bass is made by the cuneiform thing that I forgot the entire name, and this thing is the tip of the arytenoids

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and u can unsyc them to get poly chest

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is poly evil possible?

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instead of unsyc the tip of the arytenoids

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u unsyc them fully

fervent crow
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theoretically? at that point the arytenoids are weird, as the arytenoids are closer to one object

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the cuneiforms are two noticably different blobbys

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its also a case of, evil bass is a rattle

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not an oscillation

random tundra
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hmm

fervent crow
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alot of stuff changes between those

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as the arytenoids are too cartilidgy to oscillate like the cuneiforms

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like, how possible does double zombie bass sound

random tundra
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ngl I still didnt got fully the concept of a rattle

fervent crow
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as thats an epiglottic rattle

random tundra
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I cant get an actual translation of it to portuguese

fervent crow
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ah lol

random tundra
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so its a little bit hard to understand it lol

fervent crow
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kinda just like flapping, vibrating

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its hard to explain the difference

random tundra
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this is the literal translation 😭

fervent crow
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a rattle is more on a boney or super cartilidgy structure i guess? where its not meant to do the same stuff we do for chest or throat bass

fervent crow
random tundra
fervent crow
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you know another term for rattling?

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shaking

random tundra
random tundra
fervent crow
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you shake a rattle or a meraka

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its really hard to translate this into basses but trust me it kinda makes sense- lmao

random tundra
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yeah I kinda get it now

fervent crow
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at a certain point we needa develop our own dialect

random tundra
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yeah lmao

fervent crow
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now

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onto the maybe bigger meat of this meal

random tundra
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hm

fervent crow
#

what is inward bass

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:)

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in basic sumarrization

random tundra
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a inward vibration that could be any of the outward basses but inwards?

fervent crow
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ok lol

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whats typical inward bass, as in the bass itself

random tundra
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not like any

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ah

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inward chest bass

fervent crow
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WRONG

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hehe

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this is the fun part

random tundra
#

so its a inward rattle?

fervent crow
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grab your popcorn

random tundra
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hmm

fervent crow
#

closer to it

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inward chest bass would be an oscillation of the cuneiforms

random tundra
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yeah

fervent crow
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99% of inward basses

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arent

random tundra
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bruh

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lmao\

fervent crow
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inward evil bass is the MOST COMMON inward bass

random tundra
#

now u got me

random tundra
fervent crow
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the only person, pro wise, who does inward chest bass

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is Den

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everything else

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from remix inward to dlows inward chest bass

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is evil inward

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inward is an inward rattle of the arytenoids

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due to vacuums

random tundra
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even tho it doesnt sounds like evil bass, its the same thing but inwards

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and why it doesnt sounds like evil bass?

fervent crow
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now before you mention it "wait, i do double inward, so why would double evil be weird"

random tundra
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yeah lol

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was going to say that too lol

fervent crow
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lipbass vs liproll, tongue bass vs clickroll, uvula vs inward uvula

random tundra
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its just tighter?

fervent crow
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thats simply a case of doing it super tight

random tundra
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ah ok

fervent crow
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what we now classify as evil, isnt just a tight bass, but a full arytenoid rattle

random tundra
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yeah yeah

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I noticed that

fervent crow
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its why my "chest bass" doesnt sound like evil bass

random tundra
#

because its a full arytenoids rattle

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but

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a loose one

fervent crow
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what weve considered inward evil bass, is just a super tight normal inward

random tundra
#

SO

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holy crap

fervent crow
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maybe with locking or raising epiglottis

random tundra
#

my evil bass that subharmonikz said its not evil bnass

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IT IS EVIL BASS

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but a loose one

unkempt drum
random tundra
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and pretty bad sounding

fervent crow
unkempt drum
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Ah right

random tundra
fervent crow
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now, to another point

random tundra
#

so it makes sense dlows inward being locked too

random tundra
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yeah

fervent crow
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that one we can call swallow inward

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not only is it locked

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but also the arytenoids are SUPER stretched upwards

random tundra
#

because of the swallow position, right?

fervent crow
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yeah

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notice how it feels like everything just raises when you swallow

random tundra
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yeah yeah

fervent crow
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yeah

random tundra
#

makes sense

fervent crow
#

inward bass is such a wide oscillation compared to even evil bass, that due to vacuums, this is simply another day in the bass world

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but also

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theres some theory by kindreon, that double inward is an unsyncronized oscillation of the arytenoids

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and false folds

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because due to vacuums, most inwards actually have some form of false fold vibration

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only one that doesnt is wheezy voice inward

random tundra
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twoh one has a bunch if im not mistaken

fervent crow
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yah

random tundra
#

its syncronized with the arytenoids or they are just flapping around?

fervent crow
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syncronized

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until, if kindreon is correct, you unsyncronize them for double inward

random tundra
#

not the arytenoids?

fervent crow
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you unsyncronize the false folds from the arytenoids

random tundra
#

an

fervent crow
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this is still a theory however

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we needa workshop it a bit more

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actually got kindreon and subharmonikz chatting recently

random tundra
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holy crap I completely forgot about what I was doing lmao

fervent crow
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rn talking about their opinions on slizzer bass (ill get to that)

random tundra
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I need to finish stuff for my school project

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shi

fervent crow
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well go do that

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we continue this later

random tundra
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ok

fervent crow
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theres a massive point we need to discuss

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the true " we were WRONG" moment

random tundra
#

lmaoo

unkempt drum
fervent crow
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Wow this list is so much smaller now

zinc laurel
fervent crow
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Sounds closer to poly chest

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@random tundra im not wrong right? Swear i hear a triharmony

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Eiyher that or 2nd sub vocalized chest

zinc laurel
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theres no way im getting some random chest bass bro

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the second part does sound like chest bass tho

fervent crow
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But sounds simular to poly chest

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Its late so i cant have good volume, and carlos is better at pitch recognition

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Only other thing i could think of is unsynced throat bass but idk bout that one

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It doesnt really just click like that

meager wave
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Should I train on it though?

random tundra
random tundra
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If u mess with it enough u can make it sounding as good as crythix bass

random tundra
tidal quartz
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@fervent crow

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i invented a weird whistle by accident

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what is this

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wait nvm it was smth bad

fervent crow
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Def not the outward one

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Inward one you could try, just people in general dont like ir for whatever reason

meager wave
#

Oh may I ask why people don’t like it?

meager wave
fervent crow
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To the point they just think its baf

meager wave
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Oh alright that makes sense

fervent crow
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Also cause alot of people say it sounds goofy

meager wave
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Is there anything similar to it worth using?

fervent crow
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Then outward fry gets you enel and indicator stuff, but another issue is they are insanely quiet

fervent crow
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That very few people train

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Subharmonic ijward fry is a hard one idk how to explain

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Then double inward fry... You get it good like ali, it can sometimes even match inward bass

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Otherwise, just learn inward bass or any other outward bass lol

narrow pike
#

but even that is rather quiet

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and double inward fry just kills your vocal cords

fervent crow
#

Ive heard its quite loud just insanely hard on your vocals too

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All inward fry variations hurt

narrow pike
fervent crow
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The training process hurts but they can be so good when you are used to them

narrow pike
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honestly for me im kinda thinking fry in general is the only thing you maybe shouldnt do

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I mean this isnt based on any studies or shi just that it has your vocal cords bash into eachother unlike normal speaking

fervent crow
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Yeah, just learn inward

meager wave
#

I altered the muscle position and got this

fervent crow
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Dw honestly i do alot of just random house beats when showcasing sounds

fervent crow
#

Maybe vocalized CF bass?

meager wave
#

I’m guessing that is one worth training

fervent crow
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Could be yeah

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Its a super low sub too

random tundra
random tundra
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Never heard that

narrow pike
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i dont think I have a recording anywhere and definitely wont give it a try cus it genuinely sucks to do

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maybe space has a recording from someone or knows someone who does it