#Offering help with bass stuff
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Oh yeah i found an insane cyclone liproll recently, where instead of doing a liproll over a toothless tooth whistle, i moreso do them... Seperatwlt?
Kinda?
Like the liproll is partially over it, but the middle of my lips is also open to get the whistle
So its super loud
might be similar to one i do
i just call it punchy cyclone or cyclotron liproll
can you send a vid or sum?
also, toothless tooth whistle 💔?
Yeah?
Toothless tooth whistle is a thing
But the cyclone itself is so inconsistant so give me a bit- actually i can sometimes do it with double liproll
Not the vid but also thanks to that found double liproll
wsp @fervent crow
Yo
u remember me ? xd
Name is familiar
I dont get it a whole lot but its hard to get the whistle through with such a heavy liproll
@narrow pike i get it more in the 2nd half
Just got a weird almost poly spit snare?
the clue is to actively do the laser whistle on the side
tongue turned towards the liproll
I hate whistle naming conventions
cus tooth whistle is just inward laser whistle
then instead of toothless just add lip prefix
way more straight forward imo
pash can do that but in the middle
i think thats how he learned it
center liproll is different fromdouble
but then would be inward lip tooth whistle, but the teeth are next to not involvedand its the tongue and lips
inward lip laser whistle*
ah
it gets so confusing at that point still lol
i actually learned this before tooth whistle, i got tooth whistle by accident cause i put my teeth onto mylip-
ye but still just logically better than toothless tooth whistle
just even having tooth in the name of that sound is kinda nonsensical to me cus the role of teeth can be replaced by literally anything, teeth, upper lip, even fingers or even other objects
i could rant about this for hours tbh
and now you know how i feel about most bass naming conventions.
i can rant for ages about how stupid"inward bass", "Chest bass", "Vocal bass", "primal fear tongue bass" are
im not safe from it, i have demon tongue bass, but like...
or clickroll EXISTING
just got inward evil bass or something like that
@fervent crow
weird af feeling ngl
Def a form of evil inward lol
I recently discovered that my evil bass is not evil bass
its not even an actual bass
thats why my "hardbass" sounds messy af
Ah lol
Yall wanna hear some crazy stuff?
To do with new info i learned today bout vibration?
Also electric is right, its not one bass beint higher than the voice, it is a 5th below the voices note like normal
@random tundra you may find it interesting
for sure
So ok
Vibration
The throat bass is tightened so its a 5th below the voice, then the aryepiglottic folds are an octave and a 5th below the voice
Take a guess, what does the throat bass do when i go say 3rd sub
Well technicallt the throat bass is no sub when its only a 5th below the voice
And thats when vibration is 2nd sub as a whole
then for 3rd sub the throat bass is an octave and a 5th lower or sum and the arys go to the next valid interval or whatever
the 4:3:1 frequency thing?
or whatever it was
Well, then it would be 2nd sub + 3rd sub
and would it not be hyper dissonant at that point?
My thought was it would go back down to an octave below the voice to harmonize with the 2 octaves that is 3rd sub
But same dillema, would be 1st + 3rd
Ofc here it would be harmonized perfectly
I mean I was always thinking youre just singing 3 notes with true, false, arys, then adjusting which frequencies all of them have to hit those subharmonic ratios
But not the same way
Well, ofc it happens automatically
It takes an insane amount of control to swperate them with purpous
And technically isnt 3 notes, as different octaves is not accounted for, its a triphony sound, not tri note
Even 2nd sub is only 2 notes
3rd sub is technically one note
Same with first
ye english my second language I just use note as word for frequency although yea thats probably not correct
yee
it go up
Mhm
For 3rd sub vibration, the throat bass perfectly matches the pitch of your voice
Same interval, note, octave
Everything
Almost removes it from the equation
except for how it lets you let the aryepiglottics vibrate?
and if you wanna go 4th sub vibration does the throat bass go higher than the voice
so thats why that shi so hard
What pitch would the throat bass be at to harmonize?
Or note difference from the voice
No
:3
To harmonize, the throat bass would be a 3rd above the voice
As 4th sub is 2 octaves and a 3rd below
man I really needa get in on the note, pitch, frequency lingo again
Lol
And it keeps going up
Its something i realized as i was thinking of how i do third sub vibration
In order for me to go lower subs, i make my throat bass tighter and tighter
Yk what happens when you make a sound tighter?
higher frequency
Yup, and higher note
Also linked back to when me and subharmonics tried to do a reverse vibration, with the throat bass a 5th higher then the voice, we got super low subs
thats cool
So, yeah
The bass does go higher, but not normally
Now im asking sub about 8th subharmonic...
ayo
Because
8th subharmonic
Is 3 octaves below the voice
So im wondering where the throat bass will reside
can he actually hit 8th sub
With his version i beleive so
i can hit it maybe
Thing is i needa do it on a higher note
Like with most sounds going below 5th sub
Actually his lowest sub on any sound, is him going whistle note on lip oscillations
Cause technically, the bass doesnt have to get lower
If the voice gets higher
a yea that strat, makes sense
Then you can get into even lower subs
I think hes done like 30th sub almost with whistle reg?
crazy
I cant even go into whistle register without accidentally killing myself in the process
Ive gotten maybe to 10th with falsetto
I actually learned it recently
Been doing a propper triple arpeggio yodel, tho not normal arpeggio, like down, i dont know the name for a downwards arp
sick tho
I got like 0 arpeggios
except some with whale whistles but those are too easy
they dont count
makes sense
30th???? damnn do you know what the fundamental was
yeah
either mid 6th or low 7th octave
30th sub is crazy though
ya
really with any sound, once you reach 11th sub, you can hit infinite
its just harder to go lower subs at lower fundimental pitches
ive gotten to 5th with normal low vocal bass
past 3rd is also where it stops mattering lmao
past 3rd the texture becomes so slow and the voice either so dominant or non existant that it just sounds bad
for every sound
i dont think theres a single exeption
fun fact, 2 of the lowest subs i hear for sounds, actually 3, and like known sounds
are crythix high bass, monke bass, and adi falsetto chest bass
Aryepiglottics folds get relaxed so they stack with false folds and get 2 octaves down while the false folds is one octave down?
Yeah
Yeah, but they are on different octaves
Different frequencies, that's why it's on the subharmonic ratio
No lol
That would simply be 1st sub + third sub
Ngl doesn't make sense to me throat bass getting on the same octave as ur normal voice
Lol, it is a weird thought
Yeah
But technically its not required to be allways subharmonic
It can be seperated
The closest to it we reaally have is vocalized lipbuzz i beleive
For an example
Yeah, because it's only subharmonic when false folds is vibrating on the subharmonic ratio
You can do the same with the arytenoids for vibration chest
But in the case of vibration, the throat bass isnt even there as a subharmonic anymore
Its there as a texture
I know, because what makes the 1 octabe and a fifth sub is the arys
Ye
Which are vibrating an octaves and a fifth under
But idk for 3rd sub
It's a really weird idea having throat bass on the same octave as vocal chords
3rd sub they are still 2 octaves like normal, but throat bass has to be able to harmonize with that without becoming its own subharmonic
And becsuse of how tight i have to get to go lower subs
It fully checks out
Its weird, but true
Can u actually get the same tightness without doing the sub with arys?
Constricted singing
I mean, with false folds fully vibrating
3rd sub vibrstion actuslly feels like it turns into just very constricted singing
Like in throat bass
Well, if they were vibrating at a different octave or note then the voice no, but constricted singing is basically just the false folds on the same note as the voice
It physically cant be a full vibration as that would mean it was lower pitch
Yeah yeah
Makes sense knowing that false folds are bigger
Yep
But that wouldn't just sounds like a more full 3rd sub?
Because 1st + 3rd wouldn't create another sub
Does my throat bass + 3rd sub vocal bass just sound like a more full 3rd sub?
It would be the exact same concept
Idk
Never heard it lol
Yeah kinda sounds like the false folds are less involved on 3rd sub
1st sub + 3rd sub doesnt create a new sub no, but they harmonize
But that is not whats happening with 3rd sub vibration
Like @narrow pike said, subharmonics are just other muscles vibrating on the correct ratio
So it sounds harmonized
On a sub interval
Yes, but in this case, doesnt matter much
A sub + a sub is still noticably a sub + a sun
Sub*
Its hard to tell with uvula because of how clicky it sounds
I'm not used to hearing it
Lol
Lol
Kinda sounds like this
Doesnt helo my throat bass is the opposite of warmed up rn
Lmao np
I havnt done throat bass since last night lmao
But I think that feeling 3rd sub vibration would make more sense
Nah, also
If you listen to the 3rd sub vibration rwcording
Its missing the fullness
Yeah
What happenes when you have 3rd sub + 1st sub, the 1st sub fills in the gaps of the 3rd sub
The gaps are still open for 3rd sub vibration
Now u convinced me
Yeaaah
Lol
It's because it's a really weird idea
Which makes sense as the interval of the 3rd sub is exactly half of the 1st sub interval-
Through research weve found it to be the cade
It's really weird to say that knowing vib is throat bass + arys
When really its false folds + arys lol
Yeah yeah
Ye
Anyways gotta go to school
Ok np
how many laryngoscope videos do we know of and could someone send them to me? i remember seeing one but cant remember and want to revisit it
- only one thats really expansive
otherwise theres one on tedtalk or sum with tom thum
ty
reepsone does somewhere as well
he was the first
and hes who people refure to
I cant even find his
Hey, I was wondering which basses can you/can’t you do with mouth open? Mainly wondering for throat, chest, vibration and inward. Thanks in advance
I think every vocal bass u can do with mouth open u can do with closed mouth
except for uvula stuff
nasal uvula bass is different of normal uvula bass
Thanks
np
wait only open or closed?
if u make uvula bass trought ur nose u get nasal bass/nasal uvula bass
trought ur oral cavity vocal bass/uvula bass
closing mouth doesnt necessarily mean its doing it through the nose?
or am I wrong about that
Idk too much about uvula but thats how it can be w vocals
Nasal is just placement of sound and you don’t get nasally unless you place the sound forward, which isn’t done just by closing the mouth?
yeah
if ur mouth is fully closed, yes
ur mouth doesnt need to be closed to do a sound through ur nose
yeah I know
which is why Im questioning this unless Im misunderstanding?
closing the mouth doesnt directly mean it is through the nose?
.
I mean closing your lips doesnt mean youre closing your mouth
Nasal vocal bass is fully through the nose, not like side tongue bass vs closed mouth tongue bass
@fervent crow do u think this is close to bv bass?
this shi loud af
there is a specific position where it gets really loud
on 0:04 u can hear me getting into it
idk why but on the record doesn't sounds as loud as it is
Probably bv bass then yeah
Bv bass is so loud and full of frequencies that it blows out most mics lol
idk the mic just doesn't capture it
Like if you listen to bv in the 2021 circle jam, instantly fills the mic with bass
all the loudness
@narrow pike this sound right for something close to shield poly?
Feels and sounrs weird buut-
ye def
Sick
where it starts kinda like crackling or sum(?) dunno what else to call it, is when youre hitting it
Got it cause ive been working on tightening muscles seperately, so i thought of trying to control my vocal chords and tightening just them
to me shield poly is essentially the same as fry sub but without the fry
same thing just more space between the cords
and if you really feel for it it does just feel like a beefed up fry sub
Hnm, for me felt like a softer throat bass
I mean its definitely comparable to both
but if youre going for a vocal cord only feeling thats similar fry sub is as close as you can get
also weird is with how soft it is that its still powerful asf
like I can get my vision to shake just by doing shield poly
DUE
DUDE
I think I just got 3rd sub vib
@fervent crow
im not getting crazy, right?
holy fck
its not fully on 3rd sub
but def the lower note is changing a bit
NOW I GOT IT RIGHT
THIS THING IS SO LOW
def hitting third sub lol
then theres the fun part, using it
but then you can join me as the only like 3 people who do!
really feels like only the arys note are changing
yaaaay
yeah, when you get better at it you notice the false folds changing more
aka them just turning into constricted singing
also espesh when you get to 4th sub
hm ok ok
I ill see it
its really really weird feeling ngl
yeah
changing individuals muscles vibration while not changing others is such a weird thing lol
I literally breathed on another way and for 2 sec I got it
lmao
I still think its really weird having better control on vibration than throat bass
idk why that happens to me
my throat bass feels so bad
eh, not too weird
vibration just has more to control
it is ultimately easier to do stuff with as of the shape of the aryepiglottif folds
I mean for what its worth thats essentially the same texture I had which I thought was bv bass
really bv bass is just a much sharper and way louder vocalized chest bass
yea
with it theres this weird thing that when sliding into it or not hitting it cleanly where it can legit sound like stones grinding
thats how I interpret it at least lol
honestly not too big of a fan of bv bass tho
lol
I wonder if its possible to desync aryepiglottics and arytenoids tho
I think kinda? like when im doing bv bass ig I can easily flip between that and another bass that feels almost the same but sounds pretty different
although that might just be a different bv subharmonic cus I dont really have a good ear for subs
Hmm, idk? Cause its different from vibration bass
The aryepiglottic folds are right next to the arytenoids, and dont have the same tightness like vibration
Its closer to taking the chest bass vibrstion and almost extending it
spaceg is this throat bass?
sooo before you ask how to do throat bass, from here try to learn constricted singing/jayton voice
its closer to throat bass then really anything else that can get you lol
what do i do if i get used to jayton voice?
Well, you use the position of that, then do the clearing the throat method in yhe exact same position
Until you can reliably get a vibration
broo i need help understanding helium’s trapdoorboom
how does that liproll sound so electric or is it a diff technique
what abt 2:03 the lip oscillation lookin one with the finger
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Huge respect to Groovage ( Major ) for sound processing 🙏🏻
is that edited effects too? cuz tbh the finger looks like it ain’t even doing much
The stutter is there, but the sound itself def no
I mean thats a lip laser whistly thing which means you can just tap the upper lip to close the airstream for a short period
or just for the lip oscill he stops it from being able to open up
techniques are fully legit
he also showed it in his ig story
yea its a different technique, a kind of punchy liproll iirc, he said he changed his liproll a while ago; but theres still editing on top
Lots of editinf
Well, improver is more like intense effects, heliums really been warping it lately
Hence why he changed it to his real name, cause hes making produced music rather then just normal beatbox
I dont really hear that
definitely increased recently but
like helium doesnt have the craziest sound pallette in that vid and most of it is in essence recreatable to me
One of his more recent tracks recentlt... Not trapdoorboom, one of his covers i think, he post processing layered his hollow whistles
thats on a per sound basis tho, I cannot hit that entire piece obv
that interstellar thing?
Is it interstellar? I swear that was a way older one
i dont know tbh
basically all of his recent tracks use hollow whistle to some extent
and I dont really remember specifics cus most of his recent stuff isnt that much to my liking honestly
I liked his fable cover
But yeah hes fully leaning into the production rather then just touching it
Just wish they would put content warnings on it for it being produced
Cause the more you produce a song, the less beleivable it gets
He said ina. Comment that for raw beatbox to go watch his streams
ye ive done that sometimes
I dont watch most beatboxers streams
but kinda also a weird thing to say
for me only dlow and remix sometimes
Dlow for me rarely, i like chats where i can chat
Its why i dont watch big streamers
Or non chat proactive streamers
@random tundra
the first couple bursts were most promising
I just realized why does my eyes always roll back into my head when I do chest bass lmao
I never even noticed that
It’s kinda funny
Also when I do my vcb and I try to sound more constipated then the sound gets sharper and I thought it was throat bass but now I don’t think so
Idk what it is
Could be either constricted voice + chest bass, bv bass, or slizzer
updated this fun fact
So I did something stupid and I have no clue what this bass is
Oh?
yeah
wtf is that
I can only hear the uvula going nuts
and some kinda of inward idk
when you clear your throat for throat bass, do you go ahem with constricted voice? Or is there something else to it
I'm used to clearing my throat for chest bass btw
@fervent crow how do I go low with throat bass without going into vibration?
Its swallow inward + a really tight and low inward uvula
Alot of practice, need o train loose throat bass
Cause your voice naturally can easily go below the false folds, forcing vibrstion
shiet
I would say less ahem, more like m-mm
are you moving the epiglottis when you clear throat for throat bass?
am i close?
kinda? you sound like you are aiming kinda high
try focusing on your voice a bit more
Might have shield poly then lol
what do u think?
I think so, sounds off as in seperated pitches
definitely sounds like theres a hint of it in there, but the rest still sounds a little too tense
as in focus more on the vocal cords themselves
I just noticed my mic almost exploded on this audio lmao
Yeah lol
Like make it into double vibration?
Or just add more notes
/spreading out the notes
/spreading out the notes
yeah
like with poly chest or double inward
ok so
essentially
loose inward + tight inward ig
think doing wings + normal vibration bass
at least i think
I cant even do loose throat bass
me too lol
needa find 2 positions for all components that are involved, and then make them subharmonic to eachother so your throat doesnt die
thats my guess
Is the buzzing a good sign when doing the jayton voice?
I can only do loose inward
Huh?
i hear some buzzing (bzzz) when i get the jayton voice a certain way
what
like with a specific mouth position cus then that would make sense but otherwise no clue what youre talking about
no, i was thinking its my false cords, its like when i constrict my vocal cords a certain amount
an audio would be good cuz the closest thing to buzzing in the larynx would be fry sub imo but obv cant be sure till I hear it
its not loud enough to hear it
then might very well be fry sub
but even if you cant hear the buzz on audio it still helps in identifying what youre doing
fry sub as in vocal fry?
voice + fry
wtf am I doing
It makes me want to throw up when I do it lmao
It’s like triggering my gag reflex
(Talking about the lower sound at the end)
Can someone help me about vibration bass pls🙏
Maybe a form of locked vocalized chest bass?
Hows your throat bass first of all
What does that mean
Just your epiglottis might be super raised snd your throat quite closed
Ohh
Typically can cause a gag reflex if its strong enough
I see
Wait why do the vibrations get harder when I close my throat more while doing vcb
I can’t do it for to long cuz it fry’s my throat but I’ll give an example
@fervent crow what are your thoughts on this double voice / voice crack bass concept ive been working on
idk how id put it on a beat and sometimes it sounds unreal with I hit the voice crack perfectly, do u think its something worth training?
Certainly sounds like it yeah
I mean instead of sliding around just try to get one interval to hit cleanly first
then its honestly probably hella usable
Sounds like fry lol
the issue is idk how to even train it. i get it often from hitting a certian pitch in my bass but i dont get it without using my base and i cant even do double voice. or atleast i dont think i can
is this double voice lol?
ye ok definitely not double voice sounds as bad as my attempts
double voice is black magic
so mines an actual authentic voice crack within the bass itself
but i cant do double voice 😭 man wtf
I think i just found it out actually. i think the tightening of my bass cuts off the bass sound and for a breif moment just shows my actual voice
i mean bass mechanics get funky but maybe its just double voicing throat bass to some extent which probably wouldnt require a clean double voice just small shift could suffice
ye
ill have to play around with it and see. it reminds me of enels glitch in his bass
which my bass is a fry + chest + throat bass so it would make sense that I can replicate his
do u have any suggestions in terms of fitting it into a song?
I mean most obvious ones you can try around with is just imitating codfish
he does something similar
he just goes up and down pitch wise tho no?
i mean im not sure but I think hes switching between nasal and oral projection
and also normal voice sometimes ig
which either way you would be able to imitate with your technique if you can do it well
as in writing original songs with it
ion kno
im not even at that step myself yet really
this is my first take from hearing part of his wildcard just now
i think hes just going up and down in pitch
yeah yeah
im so bad at song writing 😭
i didnt know what a kick or snare was before beatboxing and im still very new to it
i just learned what bpm was
shi takes hella time sadly
i picked up beatboxing so it wouldnt take hella time! haha
do u have any youtube vids or advice on how to learn?
hmm well honestly im just starting to make template combos n stuff so i dont really have any routines either, even tho im not the biggest fan of his in terms of music theory nazca does a good job at delivering the essentials
im at that same stage. i havent been good enough to make a routine but im learning how to put all the sounds ive learned together in combos.
as of rn im just copying other beatboxers. how are u putting ur stuff together?
nazca has been the best teacher ive seen so far. no one else goes in depth like he does
it sounds straight forward but for crazy combos try chaining stuff that has similar positions but obv some variation is definitely allowed
like I have one crazy pallette position i havent really seen anyone else explore
which area?
its on the side and has tons of laser whistley, high power airstreams and plosives stuff
also laser basses super loud snares
allat
like at the top of the teeth or inbetween the bottom lip and teeth?
u got an example? i just learned the lazer whisle
i really wanna learn fableys thing. it sounds so cool
hard to explain tbh its mainly a laser whistle on the side and also dlows whale whistle in there, also heliums tongue zipper is the base for a couple of sounds, also a special tongue zipper that ive found
also hella depends on if the sound is outward or inward
honestly i couldnt explain most of that pallette position in messages
id have to do it face to face and itd take hours
yeah i gottchu, im so bad with whistles its not even worth it 😭
but very cool bro
i gtg but thanks for all the help
thanks, np
sounds just like a tight slizzer bass
that low sound is fried chest bass
vocalized fried chest
but the bass itself is really really quiet
fry?
Ohhh
kinda more like hyper pressurized + hyper jaytoned fry
sounds like ur tightning ur slizzer bass in a way that the chest bass underneath it get fried
idk whats that fr
but I cant hear fry on that
I just don't know why ur chest bass vibration sound so quiet
frying it would make it louder
doesnt sound like a typical clean fry, again super pressurized; kinda making a normal tone but then pressurizing so much that the vocal cords have no choice but to fry
resulting in unorthodox sounding fry
I mean try
I can't even make fry with jayton voice lmao
just trying to do the tightest throat bass you can do would probably emulate it somewhat
im def not doing that lmao
dont want to fck up my voice
I already suck enough on throat bass
* within reason lmao
doing it once will irritate but not kill your voice
I mean I used to mess hella with fry sub and alien bass so its a familiar field for me
(Apologies for the background noise)
Trying to learn vocalised chest bass, but I can't get it to vibrate correctly
while learning vcb I noticed that vocalizing is a lot easier if your regular chest bass isnt quite as airy
makes it easier to vocalize and keep the arytenoid vibration initially and then advance from there
When I vocalise, it comes out like this - couldn't find the vibration I'm looking to get
try to make it less airy
ye
its easier to harmonize it
By tightening the throat muscles more?
just try to get less air involved
not necessarily tightening
@unkempt drum
urs is sounding waaay whispery
can u record ur normal chest bass?
Trying to learn chest bass altogether, lol
u should focus more on normal chest bass first
Yeah
so u get more used to the bass vibrtion itself
Kept seeing vocalised chest bass tutorials instead, so I couldn't figure it our properly
becuase ur chest bass is sounding to much whispery
can u record ur normal chest bass?
This would be how it comes out
ah ok
yeah the vibration is really small
just practice it without vocalizing first
get a more big chest vibration
and get used to it]
nah I dont think there is any problem with that
its just the vibration itself that is pretty small
try to loose it more maybe
and just practice it, because ur doing it right
in 4/5 days u should already be starting to get it vocalized
if u practice it constantly, ofc
chest bass is not difficult
Just makin sure before I continue to work on it
Man chest bass is so hard for me
the first one is the right one
ur doing it completely right
the thing is, as I said before
Just a matter of practicing it and finding how to get it to vibrate more then, alr
plus less air lol
yep
less air comes with vibrating it more at the same time
like
once u start to make it vibrate more, u can make bigger vibrations without too much effort
so
basically with less air
I think the issue blooms from the less air part - How do you constrict the air, because I'm probably trying to reduce it wrong
try to focus on getting the vibration bigger
when u get it right, u will almost automatically start to get it without pushing too much
because u will be more used at doing it
idk if that makes sense or not
but it worked like this for me
its like, getting used to bigger vibrations = more control of the sound, more control of the sound = less air involved
Yeah no, I'm completely struggling to make the vibration bigger ;/
i know that once I figure out how to do that, it'll come to me instantly, but I'm also stuck on that part sadly
alr man
there isnt much more to do lol
atleast ur good at throat bass stuff
I suck at throat bass
one little tip
try to really loose ur chest bass
that will helo
help
nah, but getting the throat relaxed can make hitting bigger vibrations easier
(with chest bass
alr - I'll practice it for a couple weeks and see if I make any progress xd
@random tundra
Ive come to a sad observation/realization
Im not doing chest bass
what do u think ur doing?
tight zombie bass or something like that?
because ur def doing zombie bass on this audio
hitting a nice interval with double inward feels so good holy crap
Actually dont beleive this is zombie bass
Actuallt...my "chest bass" ive been doing this whole time
Actually is closer to a loose evil bass
OH WAIT we havnt caught you up on the new bass anatomy lore carlos
I think this is the nastier one I got so far
unfortunately I still cant hold this shi
Holy crap!
bruh why there is a bunch of gain on it
My headphones legit SHOOK
please tell me 😭
Opening discord on pc so i can explain ir
ok ok
Everythinfs changed, we were wrong on so many levels
holy shi
Well, everything chest bass related has changed just about
So i spoke with kindreon for... 4 hours?
5 hours?
holy crap
ur making me more curious
what have we said it is?
well, we were essentually wrong
hmmm
remember on my anatomy diagram, the muscles i highlighted werent labled the arytenoids?
ye
that are not clearly labled out
the cuneiform tubercle thing?
whats about it?
chest bass is an oscillation of the cuneiform tubercles oscillating
not the arytenoids, though the cuneiform is technically the tip of them, they are just about their own muscle
and the raised epiglottis is not required
Ik has touched on this
how theres resting, raised, and locked
yeah yeah
you can do chest bass with a resting/lowered epiglottis
and actually lower your voice box down
kindreon litterally sticking a bunch of cameras down his throat
over the past few years lol
yeah makes sense lol
we knew it was the cuneiform, but saying just the arytenoids... complicates alot
now
what is evil bass
idk
ignore the diagram cause it was wrong even when i made it
yup
HELL YEAH I SAID SOMETHING THAT IS CORRECT
evil bass is a full arytenoid rattle
and what about hardbass?
so i mentioned locked chest bass
yeah
aka where you press both your epiglottis and bottom of your tongue against the opposite side of your throat
hm
hard bass, is locked evil bass
so dlows inward is basically inward hardbass?
because its locked, weird stuff happens when you lock it, your throat can loosen in weird ways
bare with me
we get to that later
hm ok ok
when you lock it, it almost allows for a wider oscillation of the arytenoids
allready a massive muscle
not to mention when you lock a bass
the resonance changes
yeah
it can become way deeper and bassier
its different from just raising your epiglottis or tongue
if chest bass is made by the cuneiform thing that I forgot the entire name, and this thing is the tip of the arytenoids
and u can unsyc them to get poly chest
is poly evil possible?
instead of unsyc the tip of the arytenoids
u unsyc them fully
theoretically? at that point the arytenoids are weird, as the arytenoids are closer to one object
the cuneiforms are two noticably different blobbys
its also a case of, evil bass is a rattle
not an oscillation
hmm
alot of stuff changes between those
as the arytenoids are too cartilidgy to oscillate like the cuneiforms
like, how possible does double zombie bass sound
ngl I still didnt got fully the concept of a rattle
as thats an epiglottic rattle
I cant get an actual translation of it to portuguese
ah lol
so its a little bit hard to understand it lol
this is the literal translation 😭
a rattle is more on a boney or super cartilidgy structure i guess? where its not meant to do the same stuff we do for chest or throat bass
and what do you do with rattles?
u rattle them
shake
ye
you shake a rattle or a meraka
its really hard to translate this into basses but trust me it kinda makes sense- lmao
yeah I kinda get it now
at a certain point we needa develop our own dialect
yeah lmao
hm
a inward vibration that could be any of the outward basses but inwards?
so its a inward rattle?
grab your popcorn
hmm
yeah
inward evil bass is the MOST COMMON inward bass
now u got me
BRUH
the only person, pro wise, who does inward chest bass
is Den
everything else
from remix inward to dlows inward chest bass
is evil inward
inward is an inward rattle of the arytenoids
due to vacuums
I was about to say that
even tho it doesnt sounds like evil bass, its the same thing but inwards
and why it doesnt sounds like evil bass?
now before you mention it "wait, i do double inward, so why would double evil be weird"
vacuums, remeber, most oscillations sound WAY different when you do it inwards
lipbass vs liproll, tongue bass vs clickroll, uvula vs inward uvula
and why I can make it sound like evil bass ?
its just tighter?
thats simply a case of doing it super tight
ah ok
what we now classify as evil, isnt just a tight bass, but a full arytenoid rattle
its why my "chest bass" doesnt sound like evil bass
what weve considered inward evil bass, is just a super tight normal inward
maybe with locking or raising epiglottis
my evil bass that subharmonikz said its not evil bnass
IT IS EVIL BASS
but a loose one
For which bass?
and pretty bad sounding
for the texture inward evil bass
Ah right
yea yea
now, to another point
so it makes sense dlows inward being locked too
this one
yeah
its a weird one
that one we can call swallow inward
not only is it locked
but also the arytenoids are SUPER stretched upwards
because of the swallow position, right?
yeah yeah
yeah
makes sense
back to this, this is another case of inward sound weirdness
inward bass is such a wide oscillation compared to even evil bass, that due to vacuums, this is simply another day in the bass world
but also
theres some theory by kindreon, that double inward is an unsyncronized oscillation of the arytenoids
and false folds
because due to vacuums, most inwards actually have some form of false fold vibration
only one that doesnt is wheezy voice inward
twoh one has a bunch if im not mistaken
yah
but how the false folds is vibrating?
its syncronized with the arytenoids or they are just flapping around?
not the arytenoids?
you unsyncronize the false folds from the arytenoids
an
this is still a theory however
we needa workshop it a bit more
actually got kindreon and subharmonikz chatting recently
holy crap I completely forgot about what I was doing lmao
rn talking about their opinions on slizzer bass (ill get to that)
ok
lmaoo
Sorry for the topic change, but I've came to the realisation that I've been trying to do chest bass like this for YEARS
If I've done it for that long, how haven't I developed the ability to loosen it 🤔
I'm wanting to say that it could be because of where I'm pushing the air from, but I honestly got no clue now
Wow this list is so much smaller now
Am I getting throat bass or is that chest bass?
Sounds closer to poly chest
@random tundra im not wrong right? Swear i hear a triharmony
Eiyher that or 2nd sub vocalized chest
theres no way im getting some random chest bass bro
the second part does sound like chest bass tho
But sounds simular to poly chest
Its late so i cant have good volume, and carlos is better at pitch recognition
Only other thing i could think of is unsynced throat bass but idk bout that one
It doesnt really just click like that
Thank you man that sounds about right actually since it ruins my vocal cords XD
Should I train on it though?
Ye
Def not a random chest bass
If u mess with it enough u can make it sounding as good as crythix bass
If it were 2nd sub it would probably sound closer to what @unkempt drum is doing
@fervent crow
i invented a weird whistle by accident
what is this
wait nvm it was smth bad
Eeeh, i wouldnt say so?
Def not the outward one
Inward one you could try, just people in general dont like ir for whatever reason
Oh may I ask why people don’t like it?
Sorry I just thought people use it more
For inward fry spacifically... It has a bad rep caude people considered it overused, too easy, and not bassy enough
To the point they just think its baf
Oh alright that makes sense
Also cause alot of people say it sounds goofy
Is there anything similar to it worth using?
Then outward fry gets you enel and indicator stuff, but another issue is they are insanely quiet
Hmm.. There is inward fry variations
That very few people train
Subharmonic ijward fry is a hard one idk how to explain
Then double inward fry... You get it good like ali, it can sometimes even match inward bass
Otherwise, just learn inward bass or any other outward bass lol
I mean you gotta get close to normal intonation but inward then add inward fry, not too hard once you get outward fry subs
but even that is rather quiet
and double inward fry just kills your vocal cords
Ive heard its quite loud just insanely hard on your vocals too
All inward fry variations hurt
i mean inward fry subs are definitely a bit louder than outward, double inward fry is way louder just sucks ass to do
The training process hurts but they can be so good when you are used to them
honestly for me im kinda thinking fry in general is the only thing you maybe shouldnt do
I mean this isnt based on any studies or shi just that it has your vocal cords bash into eachother unlike normal speaking
Yeah, just learn inward
I altered the muscle position and got this
Don’t question the random beat but it hurts a lot less to do
Dw honestly i do alot of just random house beats when showcasing sounds
Sounds like a form of chest
Maybe vocalized CF bass?
I’m guessing that is one worth training
ye
How double fry sounds like?
Never heard that