Offering help with bass stuff

[stuck stump]

Oh so it’s basically the same except for like the one extra part vibrating

[wooden cedar]

which is why I said the chest note shouldnt have to be higher going off that, not to mention that hitting a note with chest that is higher than the average voice is not super easy(chest tends to be in the lower 2nd octave, average voices are usually higher than that - for example chest for me is around a B1-C2 without much effort, my voice fluctuates between E2-Bb2)

[fervent crow]

Well in my paragraph above, only the muscles are motly the same, the way the muscles are used however-

[stuck stump]

Also I thought evil bass just used the same part as chest lmao

[narrow pike]

it does

[stuck stump]

Ohhh

[fervent crow]

Evil bass is the one where its like we arent even 70% certain of where it is lol

[fervent crow]

But also this is how vibration state sounds work- lol

[stuck stump]

Honestly I never realized the human throat and vocal cords were so complicated until now 😭

[fervent crow]

There will be one oscillation a 5th above the voice, allways

[fervent crow]

Yeah-

[stuck stump]

And in a couple years I wanted to go to med school too…

[fervent crow]

Man im managing like three convos at once this is crazy

[fervent crow]

Thankfully not overlt required for med school lol

[stuck stump]

Lmao

[narrow pike]

I had a talk with kindred and i myself am going with chest bass = corniculates on quadrate membrane/epiglottis and evil bass = arytenoid only rattle

[stuck stump]

Beatboxing doctor 🔥

“Sir you have stage 4 cancer” but with epic vibration bass

[fervent crow]

Theres a high chance of that yeah, well idk what you mean by the chest bass bit as thats def more arytenoid oscillation against a raised epiglottis-

[wooden cedar]

shouldnt the voice be the one a 5th above? it should cause the same thing to happen(would it?), and would make more sense considering the other(also not trying to say you are wrong, just curious and trying to learn more for myself based from my current knowledge)

[stuck stump]

Crap it’s 12 am I have school tmr

Gnnnnnnnnn byeeeeeeee

[fervent crow]

Maybe, but also subharmonic theory is very strange

To the point of when you get deep enough

It goes into quamtum theory and mechanics

[narrow pike]

due to kindreds stuff I think chest bass can be more classified as the corniculates (think of them like drumsticks) hitting somewhere in the front of the larynx possible in 2 separate locations (epiglottis or quadrate membranes for 1 variation) and that having 3 major variations

which is how he classifies it as well

[wooden cedar]

well also physically - it just would make more sense for the voice to be the 5th higher, as it is easier for the vocal to be a higher pitch than the chest bass, just cuz of the frequencies produced separately by the two? Idk maybe Im just crazy

[narrow pike]

1 variation being similar to evil bass (open chest bass) but still not having the arytenoids crash into eachother

[fervent crow]

The important part of a vibration state is there are 3 notes, 1, a perfect 5th above say the voice, 2, the voice being the 5th below that 1st one, 3, the note being an octave anf a 5th below the voice

This is stuff that we know lol

I personally dont know why it works this way, but it does not work the other way around, has to be a triphony sound and have those criteria to be a vibration state sound

Otherwise it would simply just be a 2nd subharmonic normal sound

[narrow pike]

think of the arytenoids as a barrier for the vocal air, letting vocal air through the arytenoids in order to create constructive interference of the sound waves will definitely be easier if the arytenoids oscillate at a higher frequency, otherwise the arytenoids will enact to much resistence making it almost impossible

I legit just had wave mechanics on my physics finals

[fervent crow]

Yeah subharmonic theory gets into some crazy stuff lol

[wooden cedar]

that makes more sense

[narrow pike]

maybe think of it like a prism that splits white light into red green and blue (dont cook me for inaccurate wave lengths relative to this), would probably be an alright way to visualize this

[wooden cedar]

ah

[narrow pike]

like the underlying color (sound frequency) has to be correct and the prism (arytenoids) needs to be configured just right in order for the desired outcome to take effect

thats how I visualize it in my head

[fervent crow]

Well ima go sleep, i have school in the morning :/ yall have fun, i have spread my knowlage lol, also got mazefrog to watch my video so hype (he was surprised by double tongue bass)

[narrow pike]

hell yea

gn

[wooden cedar]

wish there was a major I could choose that would align more with learning more of stuff like this - currently planning on physics(have yet to start on those classes, next semester maybe?) but one more aligned w this would be pretty cool(prob smth more in med i would assume)

[fervent crow]

There is, just needa remember what it is

Phonetics? There is litterally a thing for studying vocal anatomy and all that

People think i do, but i dony

I probs could

[wooden cedar]

Ill try and find what it is but if you remember id like to know specifically if you dont mind

[narrow pike]

honestly physics probably gives you a better understanding of the most underlying stuff happening which you can still apply to your larynx with a good amount of anatomical knowledge more than just med or some shi, but obviously physics doesnt give give you acces to laryngoscopes 💔

[wooden cedar]

double major? could work Idk

would be hell but thats fine

[narrow pike]

that would take hella dedication

but at least physics is interesting and anatomy as well so youd have that going for you at least

[wooden cedar]

the hyperfixation would be enough

yeah

anyway I should also sleep I have exams on the morrow

gn

[narrow pike]

ight

gn

[half shale]

Yeah, but that doesn't talk about sounds in beatbox.
Phonetics is just sounds that we produce in language

Of course it covers mouth and throat anatomy, when classifying sounds there are two columns, manner and place of articulation, so p is called a bilabial plosive: bilabial because it's done with the lips and plosive because it's a sudden burst of air

[narrow pike]

yea thats basically what im thinking as well

vocal basses can get from like somewhat well researched like throat bass to completely unorthodox and practically unheard of in research that I think having basic anatomical knowledge can suffice and the physical aspect being more important

like if you showed a phonetics or linguistic phd conglomerate something like ervinhos chest bass theyd essentially have no clue what it is until they do a full on deep dive into beatboxing

and even then its also just incredibly hard to find info on certain techniques

beatboxing in general is severely underresearched imo

[fervent crow]

Honestly an actual beatbox/human bass class would be cool

It goes so indepth that honestlu you can get a whole class outa it

[half shale]

This bass sounds cool, really low, not sure if it's low throat bass or another thing

[half shale]

I would attend a class like that

Plus you could practice sounds without looking like a weirdo

[fervent crow]

Your current project: "learn throat bass"

Though it would be unfair

[half shale]

Also trying to learn liproll

[fervent crow]

Its very anatomy dependant ultimately for basses that make it easier anf harder for otherd

[half shale]

I feel like I'm close in regards to lip placement, but I can't get the vibration

The thing is, I struggle with every sound I try

[fervent crow]

That is some people yeaj

Depends how weird a kid you were and what muscles you trained growing up unconciously

[fervent crow]

Your lips are tighting too much

Also youe lips are curling inwards

Also doesnt seem like your jaw is dropping much

[random tundra]

ngl lip rolls is one of the most annoying basses to get

im glad I got it fast

I struggled ALOT with the same thing

idk how to explain

its really really weird

I got it because I had vibration bass

so I just unvibrationed my vibration and got throat lol

its WAY sharper and feels higher on the throat

than slizzer

I got it by trying to get vibration bass

maybe he is doing the same thing

[fervent crow]

Maybe

[random tundra]

like

when I was doing slizzer bass instead of throat

and I tried to learn vibration without knowing that I was doing slizzer

I got vpc

[fervent crow]

Ye

Its the same concept

[random tundra]

yeah yeah

[fervent crow]

Espesh with how you are so harmony and pitch based

[random tundra]

actually I was just trying to add fry to it

[fervent crow]

YUCKY

[random tundra]

because I though vibration was throat + fry

lmaooo

[fervent crow]

BLEGH

[random tundra]

I was completely wrong

[fervent crow]

HATE THAT-

lol

[random tundra]

even the basses I was doing was wrong

[random tundra]

ik that lmfao

[fervent crow]

You atleast learned it propperly unlike someone, and i love thid story "well indicator saif so, and hes way better st beatboxing then you and has been beatboxing longer so hes correct"

[random tundra]

lmaooooooooo

[fervent crow]

You can imagine the voice i used typing out that whole thing

[random tundra]

lmaoooo

[fervent crow]

Man carlos, did subhsrmonikz tell you what he judt got?

[random tundra]

the upside down vpc thhing?

lmao

that shi is crazxy

[fervent crow]

No

[random tundra]

what?

[fervent crow]

Triple inward bass

[random tundra]

WHAT

[fervent crow]

Lmao

[random tundra]

how do u even do more than 2 arytenoids notes

yeah hes messaging me rn

[fervent crow]

Lmao

I mean, he found triple chest bass months ago

[random tundra]

dammmmn

[wooden cedar]

could you forward an audio of that

[fervent crow]

@random tundra you can grab it as you are activly talking abkut it lol

[wooden cedar]

thats insane wtf

[narrow pike]

bro said he RANDOMLY found it while he was talking to me 💔

[fervent crow]

Yeah lol

[random tundra]

lmaoo

[narrow pike]

I was not familiar with his game up until now

dude is straight up nuts at basses

no other way to put it

[fervent crow]

He is the bass god rn

He can do every bass and more

Well, nearly every bass

Missing out on alot of tongur bass stuff and vocal bass stuff cause of his uvula deformation

[wooden cedar]

which basses use uvula again(and which would you recommend to learn first)

[narrow pike]

basically all of them if you want to

[wooden cedar]

really?

how would I go about adding it then

[narrow pike]

just trying honestly, but space can probably give you better tips im not that far with uvula at all

[wooden cedar]

@fervent crow ?

[narrow pike]

I mean good place to start is always a basic vocalization

[fervent crow]

For named, uvula bass, nasal uvula bass, vocal uvula bass (vocal bass),nasal vocal uvula bass, demon tongue bass, snore bass, snort bass, pig bass, monke bass, double vocal bass

Then uvula can be combined with just about every other bass to change how it sounfs

And insanly easy to harmonize it subharmonic wisr with these other basses

Like i do throst bass + 3rd sub vocal bass

[wooden cedar]

how do I add the uvula though

[molten parrot]

what bass is this?? i feel like inward but more deep

i found this by accident when i was training inward

[willow moat]

yo @fervent crow wsp nice ot meet yo u offering help for free?

[molten parrot]

prolly

[willow moat]

pre inward

thats the sound

that what i hear from remix inward base tutorial

search remix inward tutorial and watch it

[molten parrot]

just asking cuz it sounds more thinner

i can do the inward "normal"

ill try to show u

[willow moat]

well inward is hard to do beacuse u have to conenctrate a specific part of your throat

and if u conenctrate on another,another sound will comeo ut

i mean u can use it,sounds pretty cool

have a good one @molten parrot recommend u to watch remix inward base tutorial

[narrow pike]

nah man remix inward bass tutorial kinda sucks

[narrow pike]

he basically just says "do inward bass and then do it more"

like he doesnt give any real instructions

[willow moat]

thats why his inward base is one of the best?

[molten parrot]

i just born with inward, im just trying to do this more clean and good

[narrow pike]

him having a good inward bass doesnt mean his tutorial is good

[willow moat]

like he shows us what he practice

[molten parrot]

i never watched his tutorial so this doesnt matter

[willow moat]

i mean just have a look on multiple tutorials,its easier

and better than just watching one

[narrow pike]

just a more scratchy airy and inconsistent inward bass

sounds like theres hella twang compared to normal tho

[molten parrot]

sure, just asking cuz it was more thinner so i was thinking i could be going to a good way

[narrow pike]

I mean ultimately trying around is good

[narrow pike]

uh ig the entire instruction to add uvula is just add uvula

raise back of tongue towards soft palate

[wooden cedar]

Ill try that ty

[narrow pike]

kind of a gargling sound at first

[wooden cedar]

ok

[narrow pike]

as long as your getting a vibration in the back of your mouth its basically 100% uvula

[wooden cedar]

ok

ty

[random tundra]

bruh thats just inward

its the type of inward bass sound that u would get after just learning it

for me its sounds like its nothing more than that

[molten parrot]

eu perguntei pq na minha cabeça tava mais fino e tipo, eu tava sentido muito mais pra baixo da garganta

[random tundra]

mas é isso memso

[molten parrot]

fé

to tentando fazer o normal mesmo

[narrow pike]

que

[random tundra]

em relação a sentir mais "fino" muda um pouco de pessoa pra pessoa

de resto

tá normal

[random tundra]

que oq

[random tundra]

mas está normal

[random tundra]

aqui tá até um pouco parecido o meu

[molten parrot]

🙏

amem senhor

agora vou dar uma paradinha q ta doendo ja esse kraio

[random tundra]

I just got dlows inward while I was ont the street

sounds pretty bad rn tbh

casually walking then boom

dlows inward

[fervent crow]

well, consider first of all what subharmonics work with it

then just add uvula bass under or over a sound

[fervent crow]

just because an inward is good doesnt mean they at all know what they are talking about when teaching, not to mention they teach generally and you cant explain feelings

knowlage is seperate from experience

[fervent crow]

nice lol

[fervent crow]

yup

[random tundra]

shi feels weird af

[fervent crow]

yeaah

[random tundra]

almost puked 3 timnes doing it

[fervent crow]

it uses uvula no?

[random tundra]

a little bit

not much

kinda vibrates a little

[fervent crow]

yeah, sadly i cant do little vibration anymore lol

my uvula is what one would say "too developed"

[random tundra]

lmao

spealking about uvula

how tf do I make my vocal uvula sound good?

mine is pretty mid

like

its just uvula

[fervent crow]

is it too tight/strangling sounding?

[random tundra]

I ill record it

wait

idk I just dont like how it sounds

like

I sound like a pigeon

idk

[random tundra]

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

generally ok

but you are flipping inbetween 3rd and 2nd sub

you actually have the opposite issue of most

[wooden cedar]

caught up over this though, was asking how to do uvula bass in order to add it

[fervent crow]

oh uh

yeah

so, you raise the back of your tongue

it will kinda feel your tongue in thevbery top of your throat if done correctly

like you are really congested

[wooden cedar]

ok

[fervent crow]

and tighten the top of your throat in a sense

[wooden cedar]

should i feel a fair amount of pressure?

[fervent crow]

not really

its very light

should feel slightly tightened and not overly

[wooden cedar]

I believe Im tightening too much

[fervent crow]

perhaps yes

the tightening at the top of your throat isnt too required... actually look in a mirror and try to open your mouth as wide as you can to see the uvula

next to your uvula are your tonsils

those actually close slightly when you do uvula bass

[wooden cedar]

Ok

[fervent crow]

or may not tonsils... idk

[wooden cedar]

is vocalization necessary or nah

[fervent crow]

theres parts in there that close right by the uvula

[fervent crow]

easier

[wooden cedar]

ok

And that position is all I need right? nothing further?

[fervent crow]

honestly yeah

just because the uvula is just a dangly thing

it has no muscles to control it

its almost just a blob of flesh

[wooden cedar]

yeah

Ok ty

[fervent crow]

yee

tongue position is the most important part

honestly, exhale, while just raising the back of your tongue

maybe slightly pulling it back

[random tundra]

I dont have almost any control of it tbh

I just go grrr while vocalizing it

actually

I can harmonize it with an interval of an octave

nothing more than that lol

[fervent crow]

Play with your tongue position

And prsctice not judt going wowowo, but go wawawa and judt aaaas

[wooden cedar]

@fervent crow would you mind sending me an audio of uvula bass sometime

[fervent crow]

Yee

[wooden cedar]

ty

[fervent crow]

Ill send almost every variation too

[wooden cedar]

sweet ty

[random tundra]

ye

[wooden cedar]

also when you send it, could you send to dms if possible?

[random tundra]

now this is getting better

I love the rattle that this sound has

I feel my entire throat vibrating doing this wtf

[fervent crow]

Why to there andnnot here- others might like to hear it lol

[wooden cedar]

send it both - or just here and I can forward it to a dm w myself
just want to have easier access to it in the future without having to look hard

[fervent crow]

Yee fair

I can also just forward it to you

[wooden cedar]

ty

[stuck stump]

Why when I try to do this through my mouth it kinda sounds like the metal voice 😭

[random tundra]

Bruh wdym with metal voice

[stuck stump]

Like the scream that they do

But that’s not the point 😭

That bass feels a lot higher up on my throat

Maybe it’s throat bass?

Also wtf did I do here

When I switch it to my mouth it started like vibrating more

[fervent crow]

Dawg your comparisons are so wack lmao

i think your ears need to get checked lmao

[random tundra]

Broooo 😭

[fervent crow]

Lol

im saying it in tr tleast mean way possible

So fsr youve said vibration chest sounds like hard bass, and whst youare doing there sounds like metal screams-

[stuck stump]

I am technically tone deaf 😭

[stuck stump]

💀

Was about to compare it to something again but I think I should not 💀

[stuck stump]

@fervent crow what type of bassss

Still slizzer?

[fervent crow]

Sounds closer to throat bass

Ofc you slipped into normal vcb for a second

[stuck stump]

Yeah I need to like do vcb first and then transition into the other one for some reason

[stuck stump]

Yayyy

Do you think I am ready to learn vibration bass now 😭

[fervent crow]

Not at all

Sounds closer, but super rudimentry and poor, hardly even beginner lol

[stuck stump]

💀

😭

[fervent crow]

Being honest lol, you cannot jump to vibration just from that

Yoy will never be able to do throat bass if you do it

[stuck stump]

Lmao ok

[wooden cedar]

@fervent crow should it be normal with uvula in the beginning to start gagging(for lack of a better term) a lot after using it?

[fervent crow]

honestly yeah

completely forgor about the recording one sec

[wooden cedar]

thank you

[wooden cedar]

how long do you think itll be for that to mostly disappear

[fervent crow]

hmm, unsure

ive been doing uvula bass for 11 years is

ish*

i dont think i had a big issue when i started?

it really matters what your gag reflex is

for me it only triggers when i push it super far back

[wooden cedar]

ah

I have a very strong gag reflex

almost threw up my dinner after trying it 😭

[fervent crow]

will be hard then lol cause uvula is in the gag reflex spot

actually sometimes the reason for gag reflex-

[wooden cedar]

damn that’s unfortunate then

[fervent crow]

lol

this is one of my fav combos

Mazefrog moment

[wooden cedar]

vocal uvula bass is just vocalizing + uvula right

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Its what pwad does

[narrow pike]

yo space

I might have a whale whistle you can learn

its like 2 seconds to check if itll work for you

[fervent crow]

K, its also late so waiy till morning

[narrow pike]

ight just hit me up then

[stuck stump]

I’m not gonna lie I thought the different types of uvula bass was just a given that everyone could do 😭

[fervent crow]

Nah lol

Its a very weird muscle

[lucid brook]

and tongue positioning

[fervent crow]

Well in order to get uvula bass to begin with it uses tongue position

We are sayin going from uvula bass to vocal uvula bass, which requires zero moving of the tongue until you start modulating and chabging its texture

[lucid brook]

https://tenor.com/view/ogvhs-no-nope-negative-swhs-gif-18199551

Just mimic this guy and u got it

[fervent crow]

Thats 3rd sub vocal bass

Then you went up to 2nd

[lucid brook]

?

[fervent crow]

2nd and 3rd subharmonics

[lucid brook]

The normal starsky bass and pwad bass is different

[fervent crow]

2nd sub is the normal subharmonic of vocal bass, your tongue is just flatter then normal

[fervent crow]

Pwad bass is litterally judt vocla bass with a tongue tighter to the uvula

So it gets a smoother texture

Tho looses a little bit of resonance and bass due to the smaller gap

For a more harmonic smoother sound

Tho they are not by definition different basses, hardly different varients

[stuck stump]

My inward uvula bass sounds kinda cool

I’m not gonna make another comparison but uh

[random tundra]

just got phlegm bass again

I cleared my throat and now I can't do it anymore

lmao

[stuck stump]

What’s the difference between that and the other types of bass

[random tundra]

idk

thats weird af

feels like my vocal chords are vibrating more

but its not fry sub

[stuck stump]

Mmmmmm

[random tundra]

@fervent crow is this shi somehow a sub made by phlegm?

like

instead of doing fry

the phlegm vibrates on a frequency that creates a sub

[fervent crow]

I mean

Mucus bass exists

[random tundra]

hmmmmmmmm

[fervent crow]

So possibly

[stuck stump]

What is that 😭

[random tundra]

its hard to tell because the moment I cleared my throat I lost it

[random tundra]

feels exactly like this

there is any other muscle involved

[stuck stump]

I feel like I always get that

[random tundra]

and there is not fry

[fervent crow]

Ask subharmonikz, cause ou can use a rythmic popping of mucus or plegm as the bass note in a subharmonic

[stuck stump]

Sometimes when I try to do my chest bass it sounds super good almost sounding like vibration bass but then when I clear my throat it’s gone

Or if I drink some water

[random tundra]

he is backed af rn

I tried to ask him

lmao

[fervent crow]

Yeah lol

[stuck stump]

Space is it better

[fervent crow]

Sounds like it? @random tundra is it just me or fo you hear more than one note

[stuck stump]

What

[stuck stump]

Wdym more than one note

[fervent crow]

Im hearing more than one note i think

[stuck stump]

What does that mean

Is that good or bad

😭

[stuck stump]

Wait rhat sounds super cool

[fervent crow]

Lol

One of my special basses

[stuck stump]

“Mom mom mom mom b mom mom mom p mom mom”

[fervent crow]

Lol

[stuck stump]

Sounds so cool tho

[fervent crow]

Yay lol

Its my version of crythix bass

[stuck stump]

Nice

[fervent crow]

Unsyncronized vibration bass

[stuck stump]

Ooo

[fervent crow]

Been awhile since i did a poly vocal bass recording

[random tundra]

ur tripping

[fervent crow]

Kk

[random tundra]

theres 2 distinct notes, one from the voice and one from the bass itself]

[fervent crow]

Ye, noe the question is

Is one an octave anf a 5th, or an octave away from the other

[random tundra]

ah

ok

[fervent crow]

And the intervals are just weird

[random tundra]

wait

lemme think

def not just an octave

I need to grab an instrument

wait

[random tundra]

easier to figure it out like this

[fervent crow]

Ye

I just cant pitch match lol

[random tundra]

ye

an octave and a 5th

[fervent crow]

K so still vocalized chest bass @stuck stump

[random tundra]

but more on the end of the video it goes one octave

when he start to stop the bass

wait

[narrow pike]

its always hard to tell imo when youre warping the resonance with like wauwauwauwau yk

[random tundra]

ye ngl

[fervent crow]

Not too much harder

[random tundra]

but hes starting, not gonna blame him

[narrow pike]

ye ofc

[fervent crow]

I noticed the distinct notes

1st sub the notes blend together noticably, harmonize

2nd sub they dont mstch so even i notice it

[random tundra]

actually not

I had the feeling of it because on the start is more messy

on the end goes an octave and a 5th more corretly yk

but stills the same interval

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

yeah

but whats hes doing is not slizzer bass, right?

the bass under the voice sounds lower than slizzer

[fervent crow]

No, slizzer bass HAS to be 1st sub

Allways

[random tundra]

ok ok

[fervent crow]

Has to be 1 octave below the voice

[random tundra]

its because its really really quiet

[fervent crow]

Its just a super soft vcb

[random tundra]

yeah

super super soft

I can't even make my vcb soft like that

btw

@fervent crow

u learned zombie bass, right?

is it higher on the throat than chest bass?

[narrow pike]

ye

zombie is epiglottis while chest is arytenoids on epiglottis or associated membranes

[random tundra]

yeah yeah

[random tundra]

I got a weird ass vibration on a muscle that maybe is the eppiglotis

it feels alot higher than chest

[fervent crow]

Zombie bass is super rattly and slower

[random tundra]

and its not like evil

[fervent crow]

Almost feels boney actually

[random tundra]

hmmmmmmmm

[random tundra]

I will try to make it into a bigger vibration

[random tundra]

boney?

[fervent crow]

Idk its weird

[random tundra]

Ill record it actually

[fervent crow]

Ut really feels like how you would expect cartalidge slapping something would be

Lol

[random tundra]

lmao

its actually the same postition as dlow inward but outward

feels weird ass hell

[random tundra]

I remember some guy here saying that u can get zombie bass like that

that was what I was trtying lmao

[fervent crow]

Towards rhe very end sounded simular? But also, nasal zombie bass is iffy for me-

Its not overly a nasal friendly sound

[random tundra]

on the end was my shi dlow inward

[fervent crow]

Ah lmao

[random tundra]

.

[narrow pike]

maybe actually a kind of induced zombie bass idk, if its that then maybe its a kind of locked chest bass where the epiglottis actually kind of covers almost the entire larynx

kindred has it in his bass video if you wanna look

[fervent crow]

Yeah i beleive thats the case

I dont think its quite zombir bass

Too tight also

[random tundra]

I really dont know

[fervent crow]

Zombie bass is INSANLY loose

[random tundra]

it feels pretty high on the throat

[random tundra]

yeah I know

[fervent crow]

My slizzer bass used to feel like the top of the throat lol

[random tundra]

on the end was dlow inward and on the start was the sound itself

just to clear up

I did it inward because its the same position

[narrow pike]

honestly might wanna look at kindreds video, the locked chest bass he did in there has the same weird throat position as dlows inward and he also said that it was kind of odd and in which ways

dont remember the details tho

[random tundra]

np

I ill check it

[fervent crow]

I only dont like that video cause so many of the basses are not their own basses lmao

[narrow pike]

wdym by that

[fervent crow]

Like locked chest bass, thats practicslly just a tight chest bass

[narrow pike]

idek if it was locked or another one im referring to

[fervent crow]

Also going off of the anatomy video-

[narrow pike]

he had 3 variation in there, might me misremembering

[random tundra]

ye

open, locked and tilted i think

[narrow pike]

mightve been tilted

yea probably tilted now that i think about it

[random tundra]

im looking it rn

[narrow pike]

yea i get what you mean but physically it makes sense, differentiating between all the arytenoid movements in the way he does is rather important cus all of them offer wildly different arytenoid responses/resistances/etc...,

if you have a type of chest bass that doesnt have any part of the arytenoids make oscillating contact with the front of the larynx/themselves but rather oscillate back and forth in the air it will have less static friction which definitely isnt a negligible effect and therefore imo warrants it being classified as a different variation of a sound

[random tundra]

its locked I think

ye dlow inward is locked

[narrow pike]

look where your adams apple is, tilted lets you kinda pull it down iirc he said that

cus its more of a rotation I think

[random tundra]

almost dont move

[narrow pike]

compare it to a chest bass you know of what it is ig

like if its lower higher or same position as that

[random tundra]

chest bass goes as little up

[narrow pike]

now youd have to check if youre able to pull it down but obv thats not as easily done as its said

the way kindred explained it to me is that you basically use some muscles to coordinate your adams apple while you rotate the rest of your larynx and especially your arytenoids forwards whereas normal chest basses those roles are kinda reversed

which would also kinda explain why you see dlows trachea violently jump back and forth in that one dubstep insanity drop ig

[stuck stump]

Aw man

[stuck stump]

I’m confused lmao

[random tundra]

chest bass and voice can be done at the same time while doing 2 different notes without depending of each other

one for chest bass and one for the actual voice

so u can do intervals with it

normally vocalized chest bass is harmonized on a 5th and a octave interval or on an full octave interval

that means that if u do a 5th interval with vocalized chest bass

u will do a low C, for example, with ur arytenoids (chest bass), and a one octave higher G note with ur voice

if u do an octave interval with chest bass

and u do a low C witih ur arytenoids, u will do an octave higher C note with ur voice

both at the same time

this is the same concept that u use to make chords on a instrument, for example

[stuck stump]

Ohhhh

R u saying that’s what I’m doing

That sounds complicated

[random tundra]

yeah, ur doing chest bass with an interval of a 5th

[stuck stump]

That sounds hard to do 😭

[random tundra]

pretty common actually

[stuck stump]

Oh

[random tundra]

chest bass is a really easy sound for most of people

its just hard to make it really low

I practiced it for more than 1 year to make it sound actually good

[stuck stump]

Yeah cause if I do my vcb and then try to go really low it just turns into not vocalized chest bass

😭

[random tundra]

lmao

yeah its pretty annoying

[stuck stump]

Lemme hear ittt

[random tundra]

ok

wait

I still need to improve it

but I really like this texture

[stuck stump]

Goddamn

[stuck stump]

Probably a bad comparison like all my other ones but why does it kinda sound like this

[random tundra]

this bass is zombie bass I think

I wwas about to say its similar to chest bass, but actually its much looser

bruh a computer on another room turned on while im home alone wtf

wait

bruuuuuuuuh

[random tundra]

but yes, it can remind u of chest bass

[fervent crow]

(Octave and a 5th)

[random tundra]

ye ye lol

[fervent crow]

Alot of the time you say just a 5th when yalking about 2nd sub so have to correct lol

[random tundra]

actually

now that im getting used to it I noticed it uses a really big uvula vibration

not a tiny one like I was thinking before[

[fervent crow]

Ah

[random tundra]

maybe is just the way im pushing air

idk

[fervent crow]

Its weird for dloe as well, cause yk, he kinda ripped most of his uvula off-

[random tundra]

lmaoo

shi I still cant hit it on the sweet spot with my whole mouth open

I was trying to see with my cellphone camera if was viibrating of not

but I just cant hit it

wait for like

more 3 days

then I will see it right

but I think that when I hit it really low the uvula goes bonkers

[stuck stump]

Wait what happened

[fervent crow]

He did a bass incorrecrly

[stuck stump]

Like he actually ripped part of his uvula off?

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[stuck stump]

Crazy wtf

That’s scary

[fervent crow]

Lol

He did liproll + uvula, which can be a very spiratic oscilation

[stuck stump]

Mmm

I think in the process of trying to get Liproll i accidentally got liquid bass somehow 💀

Even though it’s not even the same part vibration

[fervent crow]

Lol

[wooden cedar]

is it normal for the uvula to be very sore after first learning uvula bass

@fervent crow

[willow moat]

any free tips here

like what should i improve or any reviews

[narrow pike]

consistency and loudness

[narrow pike]

kinda, depends on how youre doing it but id say its not uncommon

[willow moat]

what about them

[narrow pike]

too little

[willow moat]

like i did that just by listening to a routine 20 sec and i modifited it on the spot thats it

[narrow pike]

i mean honestly might be your mic fuckin­g you up cus it just sounds weird

[willow moat]

should i tune it down ?

[narrow pike]

I mean not necessarily down just better

[willow moat]

lemme change the present and give me an optiion on that

[knotty thistle]

teach me inward

[narrow pike]

do bass but inward

[knotty thistle]

how

[willow moat]

idk

what about this

is it better?

[narrow pike]

now it just sounds rattley, ion know much bout eqs n shi I dont have a tryhard mic

[willow moat]

does it sounds b getter than the last eq?

[narrow pike]

yea probably, its definitely clearer imo

[narrow pike]

bruh asking us like we got better strats 💔

[willow moat]

thanks alot bro

i appricaitge it

have a good one

[frank crane]

@fervent crow yo do you know the like PacMax train whistle thing

I'm trying to learn it but idk the right position

But I think I'm getting there and I hear a whistle coming out

[narrow pike]

pretty sure not

[narrow pike]

a general rule of thumb with whistles is, if you get even a hint of the whistle youre very likely on the right track

[frank crane]

I can send a clip

[narrow pike]

sure

[narrow pike]

i mean thats just a vocalized slightly laser whistly airflow

not really close to pacmax train whistle

[fervent crow]

Yeah im not a specialist for whistles, thats IK, i do bass not whistle

[narrow pike]

lol

[fervent crow]

Is pacmax's train whistle not closer to side whale whistle?

His cheeks flair up with it

[narrow pike]

honestly what I hear defined as a whale whistle gets swimmy as hell, I just define them as any whistle that can be pitched with the cheek taps

and his whistle is definitely a whale whistle on both sides

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Thats generally the idea of whale whistle, irs a whistle through yhe cheeks that can be modulated easily and almost requires it sometimes

Which you have say azel, scribbly doodle, and pacmax as the big users

Scribbly doodles i know he can only get to full volume by pressing one of his cheeks

And irs LOUD

It overpowers every other whistle ive heard, he can do it off mic during a set and still sound insane, if he does it on mic it might rupture eardrums-

[narrow pike]

yea pacmax whistle definitely requires a cheek airflow, all whale whistles have the airflow exit the cheek in some way

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[narrow pike]

also pacmax' specifically seems to be easier if you have an overbite

[fervent crow]

I know some things lol, i do use alot of airflow for basses so o can tell how used cheeks are

[fervent crow]

Yes absolutely

Tho scribbly doodle doesnt really have one

He had a good jawline

[narrow pike]

fully pressed whale whistles are some of the loudest, since they have the highest pressure pretty much

which one does he use? pacmax's?

[fervent crow]

Beleive so yeah

Double cheek(ed up)

And he rapidly switches between pressing cheeks for an insanely loud ufo whistle

He uses it at partys and raves to assemble the homies

Justcause of how it carries over everything

And how unique it is

[narrow pike]

smart asf

is there like a recording of it that I can look at somewhere

also now that I think about it more if its really pacmaxs then it makes hella sense for it to be loud asf if fully pressed

its super cool how taps affect certain whale whistles, cus theyre not all the same

dlows for example is rather fragile, the other one I mainly use tho I can comfortably jump between like 6 notes

although dlows is still possible, just not quite as easy

[fervent crow]

Ima see if uts at the end of any of the vbc videos-

Idk tho

I also dont remember if he did it during bluemountains shoutout

[random tundra]

am I going crazy or there is 3 notes right here even tho im doing 2?

kinda sounds like the harmonization between the lip osc and my voice created another note

[fervent crow]

Kinda hearin 3 maybe?

[random tundra]

maybe its an overtone

idk

[fervent crow]

Overtone on lip oscillation... Dont beleive so

As an overtone is really only audible with certain mouth shapes

And a nasally sound

[random tundra]

idk

[random tundra]

what im doing here is a low lip osc with the voice being the 5th

but like

its a 2 octaves up 5th

[fervent crow]

Oh

[random tundra]

and I can hear not only these 2 notes

but a note one octave higher than the lip osc

at the same time

idk how that is produced

[fervent crow]

Gah what sub is that... You might be getting a super low subharmonic harmony..

If its 2 octaves and a 5th...

Cause i know 2 and a 3rd is 4th sub

And because your voice is on falsetto low subs are way more likely

[random tundra]

its normal to the subharmonic being higher than the bass itself?

[random tundra]

.

because im doing only the lip osc and the 5th 2 octaves up

the 3rd note is the same as the note being made by the lip osc by one octave higher

idk if u can hear that

[fervent crow]

Well... Its kinda like a harmony in the middle of tue two notes i beleive

[random tundra]

its pretty noticeable on like 2nd second

lmao 2nd second

[random tundra]

but it stills being a sub?

[fervent crow]

So as those notes get spread apart, i BELEIVE the subharmonic harmony note gets widened

More noticable

[random tundra]

ngl im not understanding

[fervent crow]

You would be doing about 5th or 6th sub there

[fervent crow]

Its very confusing- has subharmonikz given clarity?

[random tundra]

but the higher the sub the lower it gets?

5th woundnt be something really low?

[random tundra]

I didnt speak to much about this with him

[fervent crow]

Welll- have to remember you are on falsetto

On falsetto you can easily reach lower subharmonics with most sounds then normal, its how subharmonikz does it usyally to reach beyond 8th sub

[random tundra]

I can do that with chest voice too

sounds kinda like a vibration state lip osc

but the sub is not that loud

[random tundra]

hmmm

[random tundra]

with falsetto its waaaaay more noticeable

[fervent crow]

Well, vibration state lip osc makes sense, but also the fact you are 2 octaves and a 5th below your voice-

[random tundra]

I will record it

but I think the voice is just an octave and a 5th up

with chest voice ofc

[fervent crow]

So would be 2nd sub, typical vibration state

[random tundra]

yeah

this low one doesnt sounds that loud on mic

with falsetto the 3rd note is way louder on mic

[fervent crow]

Might be vibration state lip osc then

[random tundra]

I will try to get a better sounding recording

idk why but the sub dont appears to much when I record it

ACTUALLY

the voice is a 5th UNDER the lip osc

like vpc

ok its def vib state lip osc

AND even with falsetto

damn thats cool

[random tundra]

with falsetto is the same interval but with the voice being 2 octaves higher

yeah its exactly like that

thats why the subharmonic on the falsetto one is one octave up of the note being made by the lip osc

[fervent crow]

@ik

@narrow pike

check it :)

yk i looked at the member list, saw vocodah and thought "what you doin here, you lost?" then i scrolled up and yup checks out lmao

i was tempted to actually do a full explination of inward for shiz and giggles but nah lmao

unless he wants a good nerdy way to explain it to others lol

[fervent crow]

otherwise this was quite the jumpscare-

jumpscared by my "lookalike"

[narrow pike]

damn bruh youre actually getting there

sick af

[fervent crow]

lol

perfectly harmonized

for a bit

actually i found the correct feeling, you really have to focus on the uvula when you do it

[narrow pike]

yea ive found that out as well just havent really been able to hit it cleanly

[narrow pike]

at the moment im kinda trying to make the uvula sit loosely and flat on the back of my tongue ig? is that somewhat in the right direction

kinda leaving a small ridge in the back of my tongue so its easier for the air to lift the uvula

[fervent crow]

Maybe? So i find its slifhtly easier with the mouth open for whatever reason, to the point you almost hear a snore bass texture underlying it, then you can clpse your mouth with that same feeling

Also a VERY nasally throat bass

Like nerd throat bass

[fervent crow]

@random tundra i need your ears for the first little bit where i get it harmonic

Whats the notes lol

Cause honestly, it sounds like vibration state liproll to me

Then i lose it

I pulled out a tuning app to make sure the notes seperately were roughly a 5th apart, but my relitive pitch aint great

[random tundra]

im so confused

ah ok it was sounding like shi because I was hearing the 2 audios that u sent at the same time lmao

[random tundra]

sometimes it vib state sometimes its and octave interval

both hella inconsistent

try to hold one note with the lip

then do an octave highr with ur voiice

then hold the note with the lip and just go down with ur voice

until u find the vib state interval

ill better for u doing this way

instead of trying do a F, with ur lip, for example, and match it ur voice, which would be a D#

[random tundra]

just try this

I dont recommend u trying to actually pitch match both vibrations because ur ears are not used to distinguish pitch

[random tundra]

before u say D# is a 4th up the F, not a 5th, the vib state happens with the voice being a 5th UNDER the lip

like with vpc

[fervent crow]

Not as easy as you make it soumd

Liproll isnt meant to be that high

I was trying my hardest

[random tundra]

I dont even think I can do that with liprolls

I only can do an octave interval with liprolls

having good pitching with ur voice while inhaling is really hard

lmao forget it I just did it

got it first try

lmaoo

[random tundra]

u dont need that

just do ur normal liproll

and vocalize it

[fervent crow]

My normal liproll is in the 1s territory

[random tundra]

hmmmm

so

try to do the opposite

do a note with ur voice and try to get the liproll a 5th under

ngl idk if its my lip roll texture or my inward voice that just terrible

by this harmonized lip rolls sounds bad

the subharmonic is not loud and the voice itself sounds bad

[random tundra]

ngl its very hard to make the pitch consistent while inhaling

try to get it outward

so u understand better the intervaç

the do it inwtard

[fervent crow]

Thats what this was last i checked lol, i really cant get my voice that low inwards

My liproll as i said is in the middle of the 1st octave to low 2nd octave territory, that high was in the 3rd octave cause my inward voice only goes so low

My outwars voice only goes to D2 with immense focus even lol

[fervent crow]

Not just inhaling

But doing it this tight

The tighter the harder to keep pitch i find

Espesh with lip sounds or tongue sounds

[random tundra]

yeah ngl

[fervent crow]

But i cant fo low or else im going to get the normal liproll subharmonics

Which i didnt know existed just because they are so low it doesnt even matter anymore

Like consistantly 6th sub and below for normal inward voice and liproll

Napom i beleibe has the highest subharmonic of it normally

Its why it sounds the best

Goes for most vocalized inward sounds

I dont even wanna know what my high inward subharmonic is just because of howbhghbmy voice is and how low my inward is

[fervent crow]

hey uh @random tundra, guess who just maybe got dlow inward

very rough one atleast

(ignore name and what i say, i was figuring out what the sound was)

(and by figuring out, i mean bothering subharmonikz)

[random tundra]

yeah lmao

overtones and subharmonic just goes forever

[random tundra]

NIIIICE

[random tundra]

YEAH ITS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FEELING

even from my inward which is tight inward

[random tundra]

damnnnnn

u got the dlow one by trying inward zombie bass?

[fervent crow]

yeah

[random tundra]

hmmmmmmmmm

[fervent crow]

it feels like the same exact position

i can just breath in, maybe a little more tightness

[random tundra]

remember that I was trying to get zombie bass by doing dlow inward outward?

[random tundra]

actually getting this right makes me feel less dumb

[fervent crow]

lol

[random tundra]

hmm

maybe if I try to really loose my dlow inward

but outward

its weird because feels completely different from normal inward

its really hard to get rid of the feeling of a loose chest bass when I try that

arytenoids always kicks in

or that other weird sound

[fervent crow]

ye

[random tundra]

now u can see urself if the uvula is there or not

I still feel it

[fervent crow]

i am adding no uvula

that is all just arytenoids

[random tundra]

damn

that rattle is made by the eppiglotis?

[fervent crow]

dont beleive so for it

its more the arytenoids are SUPER raised

[random tundra]

because I really feel something doing a big vibration on it

[fervent crow]

dlow inward is in swallow position

[random tundra]

ye

[fervent crow]

so everything is raised way higher then they should be

also why it feels higher

cause technically, it is

[random tundra]

a very big AND high vibration

makes sense now

[fervent crow]

and what do muscles do when they stretch

they well, stretch

get larger

[random tundra]

makes sense

[fervent crow]

so the arytenoids become longer and allow for a larger oscillation

[random tundra]

yeaaaah

so cool

actually is so fcking understand how that happens and feel it at the same time

[fervent crow]

and its def swallow position because i can go right from swallowing into it

[random tundra]

that explains the high and big vibration I feel when I do it

[fervent crow]

remix's inward is also swallow position, but while dlow is more loose, his stays tight

tight with a big oscillation rather then loose

[random tundra]

I though it was the opposite

[fervent crow]

not from how he explained it lol

he explained it with swallow position

[random tundra]

hes pitching is way different too

[fervent crow]

if it was the opposite, it would be loose inward

[random tundra]

dlow almost cant pitch it

[fervent crow]

yes he also goes way lower

[fervent crow]

not up that is

[random tundra]

yeah I though it was swallow position but waaay looser

it sounds like its looser

[fervent crow]

he can go insanly low, but with alot of difficulty i beleive

[random tundra]

yeah

something like that

[fervent crow]

it def isnt looser, you can also tell when it looses its low oscillation

its much tighter, but because its low, it technically is looser but also tighter then dlows low

[random tundra]

ah ok ok

[fervent crow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/5G5OCTmNFQM?si=l5_QCbkyLdPYghhK cause heres dlows lowest

they both also use almost no air too

[random tundra]

really?

[fervent crow]

yeah

[random tundra]

how do u even do that

[fervent crow]

dlow can hold his for... minute and a half i think?

[random tundra]

I can only do that with inward fry I think

[random tundra]

dammmn

my inward bass record is like

11 sec

lmao

[fervent crow]

DID HE DELETE THE VIDEO???

nvm false alarm

nvm wasnt minute and a half

was 48 seconds

which one was his longest then..

https://youtu.be/xGVG5T68ND0?t=113

i wanna say remix can hold it for about as long

and THATS what inward sounds like when it mimics a fry

it uses almost no pressure

its like me doing super low vocal bass subs

man now i wanna see my throat bass time again

oh dang

30 seconds

thats a new record for me

[fervent crow]

@random tundra lol

not as long as galush's 45

but his was slightly tighter then i could go without going vibration

[random tundra]

yea lol

[random tundra]

nice

[random tundra]

wdym?

[fervent crow]

Listen to dlows inward lol

[random tundra]

I still didn't understand

[fervent crow]

It reminds me of fry but ofc arytenoids

[random tundra]

yeah kinda

[sleek igloo]

I can do this sound, I think it's Bataco's originally I want to say

[random tundra]

yeah, I think its the same

but the way ur doing ur lips sounds more tight

[fervent crow]

still wild with all that ive done, ive never lost my voice

[sleek igloo]

Yeah I think I've achieved lower subharmonics in the past with it looser but it's way harder to pitch on stage

[fervent crow]

@narrow pike remember when you were speakin about this? lol

[tepid comet]

very cool

sounds like stiches new sound

is that combined with uvular?

[fervent crow]

nope

just inward poly and inward bass

[narrow pike]

ye I do

fresh

[random tundra]

@narrow pike was u that sent an audio trying to get bv bass here?

I got a really similar bass to him by frying my chest bass and vocalizing it

the thing is that the bass that I found is more wet and less sharp

im trying to get it with more high end and less pressure now

[random tundra]

(basically frying more my chest bass

[narrow pike]

dont remember exactly but think I had some suspicions for a bass I did being bv bass

or what do you mean by vb

[random tundra]

bv bass actually

sorry

[random tundra]

I feel like I can get this louder

[narrow pike]

yea theres something similar I can do but I have to do it super pressurized

yea you can legit scream that shi

[random tundra]

but I dont want to annoy anyone rn

[random tundra]

yeah its was really pressurized when I got this

[narrow pike]

yea I had my neighbor knocking on my walls once

[random tundra]

im trying to make it less pressurized and more sharp rn

[random tundra]

lmaooo

[random tundra]

subharmonikz said that its something between bv bass and normal vcb

so I just need to fry even more my chest bass

[narrow pike]

Im not sure to which extent this will really work, cus an analogy for this would just be the normal voice, at lower frequencies like sub 50hz or sum fry and normal tonation become virtually indistingiushable going higher then makes it harder to fry cleanly without pressurizing, probably possible to some extent but I havent really played around with it that much as its super irritating to me

[narrow pike]

yea probably, with how pressurized it is the aryepiglottics probably eat some of the air