Offering help with bass stuff

[fervent crow]

like "vocal bass", that means every bass just about, every vocalized bass, and a bass on its own

"inward bass", means both a bass done inwards, and inward chest bass0-

dens allready started saying vocal uvula bass

[narrow pike]

whats inward sub bass

im a cyclone glazer too for sure

insane sound

[fervent crow]

sub bass liproll

mainly called it that to match with outward sub bass

and most people just call it subbass instead of sub liproll

[narrow pike]

this is my ranking

[random tundra]

how tf is zombie bass e bro

[narrow pike]

are we thinking of the same zombie bass?

cus the one I know sounds like ass imma keep it real

[random tundra]

lmaaooo

[narrow pike]

straight vomit

[random tundra]

what im thinking is like remix vcb

hes vcb is vocalized zombie bass

[random tundra]

stuff like middle tongue roll and tongue roll i just put together because it doenst make any difference for me lmao

same with slizzer and click roll

[narrow pike]

nah slizzer roll is way worse imo

super forceful oscillation

[random tundra]

I think I actually do slizzer instead of click roll

idk

for me its the same shi

[narrow pike]

with the flat tongue on the roof?

[random tundra]

i do it with the side of my tongue

[narrow pike]

that is not a slizzer roll my guy

standard side clickroll

[random tundra]

yeah so idk

[visual lava]

Gang why does everyone hate on zombie bass

[random tundra]

when I learned it I just did tongue roll inwards

[narrow pike]

Shield Poly in c vro? 💔

[visual lava]

Goat for putting it in A

[random tundra]

FR LIKE THIS SHI IS CRAZY GOOD

[visual lava]

Ikr it's my favorite bass by far

[random tundra]

ITS NOT BAD

but there is much better stuff

[narrow pike]

yea ig shield poly on its own kinda sucks but it gets boosted straight to s tier cus you can use it to vocalize pretty much anything

and it yields grimy ass textures

[random tundra]

yeah yeah

fair point

[random tundra]

I think my favorite stills being hardbass

even tho im not good at it

[visual lava]

Hardbass is solid fs

[narrow pike]

cuz theres other stuff thats just way sicker imo, it just doesnt hold up that well in comparison

[visual lava]

I can't do it though

[visual lava]

I mean if you have a really strong zombie bass, it's super good

• It's pretty unique sounding too

[random tundra]

that why I put it being the lowest on A

but bro

its just so fcking good

[visual lava]

Rs

[random tundra]

its not the best A tier

but it is A tier

yk

[narrow pike]

also like im talking about unvocalized zombie here the way I also applied it to other sounds in that list

vocalized is a different story

[visual lava]

Yeah

[narrow pike]

miles better yet I think there are still way better sounds

[visual lava]

Unvocalized is still really good

[random tundra]

yeah ngl

[narrow pike]

hell naw

[random tundra]

I actually wanted to make throat bass lower

but when its well done

its good af

[random tundra]

I really want to learn it

ive been trying to relax my chest bass more and more for months but I just dont learn it lmao

[narrow pike]

iirc zombie bass actually has the epiglottis vibrate

[random tundra]

yeah ik

[narrow pike]

just try to imitate vomiting ig

[random tundra]

lmaooo

then i get evil bass

what I was trying to do other day is actually making my evil bass vibrate more

if it really uses the epiglottis maybe I can get it this way

[narrow pike]

I mean you can try pushing your arytenoids high enough that they make the free standing epiglottis vibrate via contact or sum

or watch kindreons laryngoscopy vid he has it there

[random tundra]

I literally just opened it lmaoooo

epiglottis goes brrrrr

[fervent crow]

Slizzwr roll is the super slow pressurized clickroll, same one dlow does in if my bones are breaking

Also in the list its middle tongue basd as side tongue bass, and they sound SUPER different

[visual lava]

Yeah it's a super cool sound

[visual lava]

Yeah pretty much

[fervent crow]

It will hurt for you, dont beleive suse when he says it doesnt hes weird

[visual lava]

Try and loosen it too, the sound should feel really loose and free to do

[visual lava]

Alr dude 💀

[fervent crow]

:D

Suse you should do the list :3

[visual lava]

Alr sure

I'll do it rn

[fervent crow]

Yay!

[random tundra]

lmaooo

[random tundra]

hmm ok ok

[visual lava]

@fervent crow

I honestly don't know most of these lol

[fervent crow]

Lol, man, loose throat bass? You yavnt heard big ben or marcus perez?

Also hollow lip bass, havnt listened to 2020-2022 remix?

Lol

[fervent crow]

But yays :3

[random tundra]

whats the difference between liquid bass and just inward bass with click roll?

[fervent crow]

Nothing really, i mean typically liquid bass is done with some slow tongue oscillation + inward

So inward OD, slizzer, azel roll, tongue flap

So maybe that

Something that really warps the sound

[visual lava]

Ohhhhh that's what that sound is? I thought they just had a super, really clean throat bass

[visual lava]

Yeah I have but I don't know all the naming/terminology

[fervent crow]

marcus does yes, but theres also loose throat bass where they go way lower

also yall, just updated the tierlist again, added 4 basses i forgot, so just give the rankings here0

i added double chest bass, inward evil bass, unsyncronized vibration, and falsetto vibration

[visual lava]

Ah okay

[fervent crow]

i love being an artist and a teacher-

[narrow pike]

god dame

I cant draw for shi

[fervent crow]

Lol

Try to guess which tongue basses they are

[fervent crow]

now im tryna get double inward lol

[random tundra]

sounds like ur tightening so much ur throat

[fervent crow]

yeah, im told you really needa tighten it and it hurts by sub lol

[fervent crow]

Im either doing double or textured honestly

[stuck stump]

@fervent crow here?

[fervent crow]

yup

welcome to the land of the nerds lol

lemme look for a recording of throat bass

[stuck stump]

😂

Just trying to get better

[fervent crow]

@random tundra when you can, could you get this man a recording of chest bass?

[stuck stump]

Right now I only know a couple type of bass

[fervent crow]

and possibly a type of vocal chest bass, probs do both normal and slizzer

[stuck stump]

The uvula one I said earlier, the one where you vibrate the tip of your tongue, lip bass and the one where you suck in from the side of your lip

[fervent crow]

i know over 40 lol, im also weird

[fervent crow]

so uvula bass, tongue bass, lip bass, and liproll

[stuck stump]

I’m not sure if it’s lip roll tho

It doesn’t sound as clean as like the lip roll I see in videos

It has like a slurping sound kinda (gross ik)

[fervent crow]

when you suck in from the side of your lip, is it just the lips or do you put your top teeth over your bottom lip

[fervent crow]

AH

punchy liproll

but perhaps un refined

[stuck stump]

Idk what that sounds like lol

[fervent crow]

its honestly either this or a super unrefined static bass lol

[stuck stump]

Yeahhhhh that

[fervent crow]

yeah

its punchy liproll

[stuck stump]

It sounds kinda cool lol

[fervent crow]

you probs do bottom lip like most people, codfish tho does it but top lip

much harder technique honestly

less natural

[stuck stump]

Yeah I think so

[fervent crow]

do work on it

if you want to learn normal liproll, generally do the same thing, but have the tip of your tongue more in the middle of your mouth and away from your lips

[stuck stump]

I just wanna get that super clean chest/throat bass rn tho lmao

[fervent crow]

fair

[stuck stump]

I still don’t know which one I want to learn first

I assume they are connected in some ways right

[stuck stump]

Like if I learn one it’ll be easier to learn the other

[fervent crow]

besides them using the throat

no

lol

[stuck stump]

💀

[fervent crow]

completely different muscles, different tightnesses

different ways you have to breath

its actually quite hard to switch between em when you are learning em

[stuck stump]

I think I just got it

But it’s not like a uhm

How do I explain it

Like the bew bew frog sound 😭

It kinda sounds like

Uhm

Lip bass a little bit

[stuck stump]

Oh damn

[stuck stump]

Woowwwwww

I wanna be able to do that lmao

[fervent crow]

lol

throat bass is def harder of the two

actually, lemme pull out my handy dandy anatomy sheet to give you an idea of how different they are-

[stuck stump]

💀

[stuck stump]

Rn when I try any type of bass with my throat I just sound like a 80 year old chain smoker

😭

[fervent crow]

lol

wheezy? tight? theres many things that can sound like

(also this whole recording is done with a mastered throat bass, i didnt use any other bass)

[stuck stump]

I don’t know how to describe it lol

[fervent crow]

throat bass is also the gateway to getting vibration bass

[stuck stump]

I could try sending a voice recording in dms

And maybe you can tell what’s wrong with it?

[fervent crow]

make sure you dont use discords voice recordings

[stuck stump]

(Also I have no idea what type of bass I’m doing)

[stuck stump]

Why

[fervent crow]

could also send it here, we are all nerds trying to help lol

[stuck stump]

I don’t think I can send a voice recording

[fervent crow]

they have every filter known to man kind on it

and completely mute beatbox

espessially bass

[stuck stump]

I’ll just record a video if

Ig

[fervent crow]

it will completely cut out all usefull details

ye

this channel does have media enabled

hence why ive been sending voice clips lol

on your phone try to find and use a voice recording app

[stuck stump]

Nah I just straight up recorded a video 😭

Idk why it sounds like that

[fervent crow]

chest bass

[stuck stump]

Oh

[fervent crow]

notice how it sounds like a growl?

[stuck stump]

All the tutorials say to clear my throat for throat bass

Maybe I just clear my throat weirdly

[fervent crow]

you can also clear your throat for chest bass

[stuck stump]

Ohhh

[stuck stump]

Yes

[fervent crow]

thats the only thing they have in common, they can be learned in VERY simular ways

cause the muscles are close together in a way

[stuck stump]

Mmm I see

[fervent crow]

tho, i do recomend learning chest bass

as throat bass sure you have vibration bass and all, but it requires alot of training to hit most of its variations

chest bass...

[stuck stump]

Based off the recording what do you think I’m doing wrong for the chest bass?

It sounds very like

Air flow sound

[fervent crow]

chest bass can turn into all of these

[fervent crow]

thats chest bass

you need a super mastered one like vocodah to not have that sound

[stuck stump]

Monke bass 😭 🙏

[fervent crow]

its allways a SUPER airy sound, its why you dont hear it on stage like at all

[stuck stump]

Ohhhh I see

[fervent crow]

i keep forgetting to remove that

[stuck stump]

So I’m not doing it wrong?

[fervent crow]

no lol

[fervent crow]

(monkey bass is actually a super low subharmonic of falsetto vocal uvula bass)

[stuck stump]

Sounds complicated

[fervent crow]

yeaaah once you get into subharmonics... every sound is complicated lmao

even basic ones

[stuck stump]

Damn

[fervent crow]

cause you understand how they work-

[stuck stump]

I feel like I need to practice my chest bass more to be able to use it in my routines and stuff

Cause even if I’m not doing it wrong it doesn’t really sound good 😭 🙏

How long did it take you to learn throat bass?

And also can I hear your chest bass

[fervent crow]

took me 1 day to get throat bass, a month to control it, 2 years to master it

[fervent crow]

i would if it wasnt so late-

trust me, its hardly even there

i was weird, i learned throat bass way too quickly because ive been able to do constricted voice all of my life

and constricted voice is like throat bass just... without the bass

same muscles

but i never growled, so chest bass has been a pain to figure out

hence why im waiting for carlos to wake up to send a recording lol

[stuck stump]

What is constricted voice

[fervent crow]

hes good at all things chest bass

its like when you are constipated, or how steve-o from jackass speaks-

[stuck stump]

Like worse than mine 😭

[stuck stump]

Can you do it without the vibration really quick so I can hear 😭

[fervent crow]

yours is honestly a good beginner one

[stuck stump]

Wait should my Adams apple be down or up for throat bass

[fervent crow]

well, lets compare it to chest bass for example

for throat bass, it raises by MAYBE a centimetre

for chest bass is raises much more

like sometimes 2 or 3 centimeters

[stuck stump]

Damn

[fervent crow]

i think sometimes more

actually for throat bass, its about the same height - VERY SLIGHTLY higher then when you just speak

[stuck stump]

Hmmmm

Throat bass is a very interesting sound to me lmao

I’ve never like

Made that type of movement

With my throat

I wanna learn it tho it sounds so cool

[stuck stump]

Every time I try to do throat bass following the YouTube tutorials and stuff I just end up getting that chest bass sound lmao

[fervent crow]

would you beleive me if i said ive been trying to learn chest bass for almost 2 years now?

[fervent crow]

try to add voice as a key part

and aim to be way tighter and a bit lower

tighten where it feels like your voice is

[stuck stump]

That’s pretty good

[fervent crow]

when you do the method

[fervent crow]

i next to didnt even do chest bass for most of it-

[stuck stump]

Probably

[stuck stump]

Oh 😭

[fervent crow]

alot of it was me flipping into zombie bass

[stuck stump]

I thought like the zombie growling sound was it

[stuck stump]

What is zombie bass

[fervent crow]

a vibration of the epiglottis

[stuck stump]

Can I hear it

Also what type of bass is this lmao

[stuck stump]

Its me doing like the uvula one I said from earlier

[fervent crow]

still just uvula bass lol

[stuck stump]

Mmmm

[stuck stump]

That kinda sounds the same as the chest bass recording you sent earlier lmao

Or actually nvm

It’s like a little different

[fervent crow]

Yeah, its much slower and slappier

Lol

And hurts

[stuck stump]

Can you show me what the difference between throat bass and chest bass is on the anatomy chart

Cause I still don’t understand 😭

[fervent crow]

Well, red is chest bass/inward bass

On the arytenoids (they are not spacifically labled with text)

And throat bass is cyan

Being the vocal chords and false folds

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMBomnHrS/ (another good example of me doing throat bass kinda lol, tho been stuffed up lately)

Chest bass is higher up then throat bass on more sizable muscles

And because they are larger they have much larger and heavier oscillations

[stuck stump]

Lowkey fire

[stuck stump]

Hmmmm

Other than clearing your throat is there another way to get the throat bass

Cause when I clear my throat I just get chest bass 😭

[fervent crow]

Eeh, lesrning constricted singing is one way

Uhm, coughing-

Idk theres not many good ones besides just usin the muscles-

Ayways i gotta go to sleep

Got school in the morn

[stuck stump]

Alr gn

Thanks for the help

[stuck stump]

Lmao

[wooden cedar]

how do I go about learning vcb(id send a recording of my attempts but it is late and my family is sleeping so I can’t)
most of the time I end up doing throat bass instead?

[stuck stump]

I like how I can’t do throat bass and when I try to do it I just get chest bass but this guy can’t do vocalized chest bass and when he tries he just gets throat bass

😭

[wooden cedar]

I can do normal chest bass, there was a time I used just that and an equalizer for bass singing, but vcb just doesn’t click

some people have an easier time with different techniques and throat bass wasn’t too easy when I was first learning it, though that could be because my throat was very coarse/sore after doing it the first while

[narrow pike]

try vocalizing in the position of chest bass without actually doing the chest bass first

makes it sound kinda weird, but thats what you need

then you can just do them at the same time

later theyre practically gonna become one step

but in the beginning that helps

to hear how that sounds you can watch sxins tutorial

[pine raft]

How to do liproll??

And also the bass the wing does starting of his wildcard 25

[stuck stump]

I think you kinda just suck in from the side of your lip

First it’s gonna sound like a zipper sound or a very sharp sound

But as you get better you can like make your lips farther apart

And then the sound will be lower

[fervent crow]

That would be throat bass

[stuck stump]

How come I hear people do the chest bass and it has like that airflow sound but when they vocalize it the air sound disappears

And then it sounds very similar to throat bass

[fervent crow]

Hmm, might be tightening too much

To slizzer bass

[stuck stump]

Ohhh

[fervent crow]

Slizzer bass is the vocalized chest bas equivilent to throat bass

1st subharmonjc

[stuck stump]

Ahhh

[pine raft]

Ok

[fervent crow]

Yee

[fervent crow]

Also i recomend learning airless liproll first

And using napoms tutorial for it

and key thing to remember, keepnthe tip of your tongue away from the corner of your lips

Or else you will get punch liproll like deadcow here-

[pine raft]

U mean codfish, I actually have a cursed lip roll with click roll, so yeah I am practicing

[fervent crow]

Like codfish too yeah, i also do punchy, but dead cow started with punchy

Got it before normal liproll

Alot of people do actually because they keep their tongue too close to the oscillation

[random tundra]

yeah ofc

[random tundra]

yeah I got my chest bass this way too

I got vocalized chest bass and slizzer bass this way

[random tundra]

yeaahh

[random tundra]

I think that took me almost 1 year to get actual throat bass

and I suck at it

I only can do vibration bass well

@stuck stump

throat bass is a little bit lower on the throat and its ALOT sharper

u can see how sharp it is by comparing it with slizzer bass, which is on the same octave/subharmonic

unvocalized chest bass I think its also the most easy to get from all of them

[random tundra]

that helps alot

I would say its the main thing u can do if ur struggling to get it

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Its one of the only methofs that chest bass doesnt share

[random tundra]

exactly

btw space, I got used to my throat bass sound and now I can see the difference between it and slizzer bass lol

there is a huge difference

[fervent crow]

Thats what ive been saaayin lmao

Just needed to train your ears lol

[random tundra]

haha fr

[stuck stump]

Ahhh

I feel like if I like talk/use my voice while doing the chest bass it doesn’t really sound like that

It still sounds very airy unlike yours

And it also just sounds like I’m using my voice on top of my chest bass instead of combining it

[stuck stump]

I still can’t hear it 😭

Slizzer is like slightly softer sound kinda

[random tundra]

yep

its more round and wet

more softer than throat bass, which is sharp af

[random tundra]

my chest doesnt sound so much airy because I just practice it too much lol

but u can still hear it is airy, especially with unvocalized chest bass

what u should do to get throat bass instead of chest bass is really practice constricted singing, as space said earlier

it helps alot

[stuck stump]

Okay

I’ll try

[stuck stump]

I can’t really find any tutorials for constricted singing

How do I do it😭

[random tundra]

should sound something like this

I think @fervent crow can explain it better than me lol

but u just really tight ur voice

something u can use for reference is khomeii style of throat singing

[random tundra]

should sound like ur really constipated

[random tundra]

I learned it by learning khomeii btw

[random tundra]

@stuck stump

just try to really tight it

should sound kinda nasal too

[fervent crow]

yeah, basically that lol, you might also find tutorials for it by searching up "jayton voice", its the alternate name

(named after jayton who allways sings in it)

[stuck stump]

Oh ok

[stuck stump]

What sound is this?

I was trying to do the vocalized chest bass

But this sounds weird lol

Also I think I’m done for the day my throat is starting to hurt

[random tundra]

I think that maybe its throat bass

idk

the way ur constricting ur voice sounds a little like throat bass

@fervent crow how do I go from tooth lip roll to electro bass?

[stuck stump]

Mmmm

Interesting

[fervent crow]

Tightening. Making a more precise vibration, and making youe tip lip overlap your teeth and touch your bottom

[stuck stump]

Ik I said I was done but @random tundra is this throat bass

[fervent crow]

Not quite

Too soft

[random tundra]

nah

[random tundra]

yeah

[random tundra]

here u was pushing alot more

[stuck stump]

Ohhh

What is it then 😭

[stuck stump]

I see

Or hear ig

[fervent crow]

still a form of chest bass or constricted singing lol

[stuck stump]

Oh lmao

[random tundra]

yeah

[stuck stump]

Am I on the right track towards throat bass atleast lmao

[wooden cedar]

I keep getting throat bass instead, anything else? I think Im adding too much pressure but Im not certain

[fervent crow]

sxins isnt perfect tho, because he does 3rd sub chest bass

[wooden cedar]

?

[fervent crow]

Too tight and too much pressure probs

Also aiming too low

Hest bass is roughly 3 centimeters above the false folds

[stuck stump]

@fervent crow is this better

Okay I should actually stop before I damage my vocal cords or whatever I’m using to make this sound 😭

[fervent crow]

sounds better, spacifically at the very end, but... idk, still so soft, when you next feel comfortable, do a recording of you doing that with your mouth open, closed, and playing with it and like pitches

[wooden cedar]

does larynx movement help

[fervent crow]

well, a good place to look for movement assistance is your adams apple, so kinda

notice how when you do throat bass your adams apple only slightly raises

[stuck stump]

Ok ok

[fervent crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWaWGBR5YoQ just uploaded this and people might find it interesting here lol

[wooden cedar]

? it doesn’t feel like throat bass or vibration(could be Im not certain, doesnt feel the same as it at all) but it could be both(at the end Im not as low)

[fervent crow]

sounds closer to chest bass

[random tundra]

sounds like chest

[fervent crow]

but also at somepoint almost sounds like you switched into vibration cause it suddenly became multiple notes

at about 7 seconds lol

[wooden cedar]

yeah I noticed that too

though at that point it didn’t feel like vibration

[random tundra]

yeah at the end of the vid is just chest bass

[random tundra]

yeah yeah

[wooden cedar]

ok thanks just needed confirmation

[stuck stump]

Wait I just realized you said at the very end

[wooden cedar]

last time I did vibration it felt a lot more pressurized and this didnt feel that way at all

[stuck stump]

The whole clip sounds the same to me

Wdym lmao

[fervent crow]

vibration is very lenient on ways to do it

i can do it as softly as wings or as pressurized as inertias

[wooden cedar]

ah

[stuck stump]

Wait those are the same bass? 😭

It sounds so different

[fervent crow]

yeah

the bass in the begining of inertias reckless is vibration, and the bass in the first drop of wings 25 wildcard is vibration

just wings is super soft

[stuck stump]

Ohhh

[random tundra]

@fervent crow can u teach me unsyc throat bass?

[fervent crow]

i can try lol

[stuck stump]

Wait I wanna hear you freestyle can we go to jam 1 plsssss

[fervent crow]

at the very end as you lost air, it became tighter

[random tundra]

me? 😭

[stuck stump]

Yes

[stuck stump]

I can’t hear it 😭

[random tundra]

im sorry but I dont think thats gonna happen now

its 1am rn

[stuck stump]

Oh alright

[fervent crow]

the way i got it was trying to go super high pitch with throat bass

with kinda a raised epiglottis actually because i was trying to learn crythix bass

[random tundra]

if u want I can send u a random beat I have recorded lol

ofc it will not be the same thing as a freestyle

[stuck stump]

Sure

[random tundra]

I really dont know how to get eppiglotis raised sooo

[fervent crow]

lol

[random tundra]

tomorrow I just will try to get throat bass as high as I can

[stuck stump]

I don’t even know what a eppiglotis is

[fervent crow]

if it starts feeling like you are being gagged (and your tongue may raise with it), likely your epiglottis raising

[random tundra]

hm okok\

[fervent crow]

its a high up muscle in the throat that stops food from entering your larynx

the orange and pink

[random tundra]

i ill send it right here

just need to download discord on my cellphone

[stuck stump]

Ok

[random tundra]

@stuck stump

[stuck stump]

🔥🔥

The mic quality isn’t the best tho lmao

Phone mic?

[random tundra]

ye

random audio I had recorded on whatsapp lmao

gtg sleep rn

[stuck stump]

Cya gn

[stuck stump]

@fervent crow what is this sound

When I’m sucking in

Its like at the back of my throat

[fervent crow]

inward uvula bass

[stuck stump]

Oh

Ok ty

And then there’s another one where I’m doing that punchy lip roll or whatever it’s called but then my tongue is also vibrating and making like a clop sound

[fervent crow]

probs liproll + inward tongue roll

[stuck stump]

Ohhh

[stuck stump]

What type of bass does kaji use a lot

Cause it sounds very soft

And kinda airy

Lemme try to find a example

https://youtu.be/uTkjBnIbenI?si=1QzRaVaxN2AFRK8X

2:27-2:30

He uses it a bit more later too

[fervent crow]

The one he speaks with?

I think its judt chest bass + constricted singing, or a reallly gurgly thtoat bass lol

[stuck stump]

Oh lol

[random tundra]

snore bass?

[random tundra]

I think that its throat bass

if u watch other videos of him doing the same beat its more noticeable

@fervent crow I just met a guy who does something similar to hardbass but with uvula

instead of harmonizing evil bass with tight chest bass he does it with tight uvula bass

and its crazy how sick its sounds

that tiny little thing makes such a crazy difference

how tf uvula makes it sounds so low

THE UVULA IS SO TINY

I swear it just dont make sense in my head

and its really noticeable that the uvula is in there

this shi is so crazy

[fervent crow]

No, just through yhe mouth, snore bass is mostly through the nose and a bit fo the mouth at the same time

[random tundra]

ah ok

this shi is so sick

so crazy at the same time

wait i just sent the same audio lmao

[fervent crow]

Yeah its really reliant on dual projection, its also how you can do it outwards, hust way harder

[random tundra]

this high pitched texture

omfg

I have an eargasm every time I hear it

[fervent crow]

Doing chest bass and uvula bass is SO INSANLY HARD to do because the positions for both dont match up-

[random tundra]

u can hear it

[fervent crow]

The high pitch part is what has me confused

[random tundra]

he said that hes doing it too

[random tundra]

I never heard something like that ngl

[fervent crow]

Because uvula doesnt get high like that

[random tundra]

SO SICK holy shitr]

[fervent crow]

It sounds closer to... Hard bass + evil uvula maybe

[random tundra]

he said that he cant do chest

[fervent crow]

I know normal evil can hit notes like that easy

[random tundra]

so idk if its hardnass

he said that he does only evil bass, normal uvula bass and monke bass

and inward evil bass

and what he does is combine evil with uvula

[fervent crow]

Well, monke bass is judt a low subharmonic of falsetto vocal uvula bass

Like super low subharmonic

[random tundra]

maybe its that with evil

[fervent crow]

Maybe

[random tundra]

if its possible

because ITS SO LOW

[fervent crow]

Yeah, while high

[random tundra]

like how is the uvula making that

fr

[random tundra]

YEAAHHhhh

I swear I want this texture SO BAD

[fervent crow]

And monke bass kinda feels like doint falsetto with evil uvula, with not only it being low sub but also insanely hard

[random tundra]

I also sent this to subharmonikz

[fervent crow]

Issue is..

Evil monke bass exists

Which IS monke bass + evil bass

[random tundra]

he said "yeah its just uvula evil bass"

but I dont think so

sounds so different

[random tundra]

HMMMMM

if he is doing that

holy shi

[fervent crow]

Theres too many notes for it to be just evil uvula

[random tundra]

because the uvula sound is very noticeable

even when high pitched

[random tundra]

yeahh idk

[random tundra]

and its soooo low like wtf

[fervent crow]

https://youtu.be/bQEyjlovhFo?si=_3Dv99NlxaZjPRwp go to 1:45

It sounds closer, but i wonder if that guy you showed is doing it on an even lower interval

A way lower subharmonic /interval difference then infurnapes evil monke bass

[random tundra]

would be possible to the evil bass itself be on a lower sub?

[fervent crow]

Im unsure, evil bass is so hard to vocalize i dont hear it enough

[random tundra]

yeah thats not vocalized

hes vocalized one sounds really different

and its really undeveloped

[fervent crow]

Not vocalized.. That makes a bit more sense..

[random tundra]

why?

[fervent crow]

Infurnapes is vocalized

But you notice how it sounds way less screechy

Less strained

[random tundra]

wdym?

[fervent crow]

The guybyou showed me, sounds WAY closer to metal screams

[random tundra]

fr lol

[fervent crow]

Almost a pig squeal in a way

Compared to infurnapes

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

Which is the same technique

For the bassnitself..

That makes me wonder... What if it is a pig squeal

[random tundra]

I dont think so

[fervent crow]

Pig squeal + evil uvula?

Hmm

[random tundra]

isnt pig squeal some kind of false fold scream?

[fervent crow]

Theres just sometuing about it that makes me lean away

[fervent crow]

Something like that

Or some metal scream

[random tundra]

I dont think so

[fervent crow]

Hmm, gtg

[random tundra]

maybe its just reallyyyy pushed

[random tundra]

;ok np

he just sent me another audio

[stuck stump]

Ok now when I do the other stuff suddenly it doesn’t sound like throat bass 😭

[random tundra]

maybe im just stupid but I think that for a second u got 2nd sub

[random tundra]

idk if its throat bass or not

its too soft

like really really

buuut maybe is it

[stuck stump]

What is that

[stuck stump]

How do I make it harder

That came out wrong

Uhm

[random tundra]

lmaoooooo

[random tundra]

try to tight more ur voice

[stuck stump]

Ok

[stuck stump]

What is that tho

[wooden cedar]

it sounds like a 2nd sub

[random tundra]

not on the whole vid

on like

sec 7

he gets into it

[random tundra]

aaaaaaaan

shi it would be hard to explain in english

[wooden cedar]

I know

[fervent crow]

So typically youve been doing slizzer bass, vocalized vhest bass on the 1st subharmonic, as in your chest bass is exactly 1 octave below the voice

Same as throst bass

2nd subharmonic, chest bass is at an octave and a perfect 5th below the voice

Thats typical vocalized chest bass

[random tundra]

ywah

[fervent crow]

So if say your voice is at D3, the chest bass in 2nd sub would be at G1 i beleuve it is? 7 semitones?

[wooden cedar]

2nd sub is an octave and a 5th below fundamental pitch, 1st sub is an octave
its the subharmonic series, it goes further than just two, theres 3rd, 4th, etc(different intervals, 3rd is 2 octaves I believe)
basically two frequencies(one coming from the vocalizing typically) hit each other in a small space and they subtract the frequencies and that is the resulting subharmonic if Im recalling correctly(might be outdated information i went down this rabbit hole on the subharmonic theory about 2 years ago and haven’t revisited it)

[wooden cedar]

yes

[stuck stump]

So is that good or bad 😭

[narrow pike]

damn might have to learn hard bass now

[random tundra]

YEAAAAH

im saying it bro

this guy is crazy

AND ITS UVULA

the highi pitch thing sounds so unreal

im lowkey practicing my hardbass like crazy after I met him

[stuck stump]

What is hardbass

[stuck stump]

Uvula bass seems very flexible to me

[narrow pike]

evil bass + chest bass

[stuck stump]

Oh

[narrow pike]

its the bass tomazacre was known for

[stuck stump]

Ohhhh

https://youtube.com/shorts/6Wnt_b8OYlw?si=XofpMqWrunH7kTFk

wtf I ain’t never heard of anything like this before

Whattt

[narrow pike]

theres other even crazier stuff you can do with it

but its a relatively uncommon bass

and probably one of the most dangerous ones

[narrow pike]

@fervent crow isnt evil bass just the arytenoids rattling using only themselves while chest bass has the corniculates rattling against epiglottis or slightly lower membranes? cus like im looking at kindreds vid again rn and he classifies it as that and i think even looked at research to determine that

and also shi just makes a lil more sense to me

cus like that also checks out with evil bass itself not having to be gollum while chest bass commonly is

for chest bass you really need to make a new contact, "joining" back and front elements, rather than just having 2 objects already next to each other oscillate

would also explain just why hard bass is so dangerous

[stuck stump]

Why is it dangerous

[stuck stump]

Oooo

[narrow pike]

super pressurized + should what I said be true then its probably also just one of the biggest and most chaotic oscillations you can get in your larynx alone

if you want to understand a little more what I mean you can look at kindred harvests laryngoscopy and the chest bass and evil bass he does there and try to combine that in your head

he also does hard bass in the vid but you cant really see whats going on in the larynx

[stuck stump]

Oh damn

[fervent crow]

Chest bass id as we say "the arytenoids vibrating against a raised epiglottis"

So wouldnt doubt evil bass is judt the arytenoids likely more just rattling against eachother

Espesh with how tight and pressurized it has to be

[narrow pike]

yea I mean the corniculates are on the arytenoids so its probably just both mostly both or a mix

[fervent crow]

Ye

[narrow pike]

finally getting somewhere with dlow's laser

shi been taking ages

just need to to get more of his whale whistle in there and get it more consistent

straight up 11/10 difficulty sound

[fervent crow]

Lok

Lol

[half shale]

At this point I have genuinely no idea of what bass I'm making.

[random tundra]

idk I think every bass can be dangerous

its just how hardbass is pressurized that its really painful

[random tundra]

sounds like just a really airy throat bass

aaaand

going into vibration bass sometimes

[random tundra]

and it is very flexible

I just think its so crazy to the uvula making a hardbass sound because of how tiny that is

normally hardbass is evil + chest not evil + uvula like that guy is doing

[narrow pike]

I mean your vocal cords are also only like 2 cm long and you know how loud those can get

[random tundra]

makes sense lol

but the uvula stills feels so much more vunerable

I think that if I try to do evil uvula bass my uvula is going to explode

[narrow pike]

i mean youll probably feel a distinct stretch induced pain in it before it would rip

[random tundra]

ye

[stuck stump]

💀

[random tundra]

double inward starting to not sound like shi

[fervent crow]

Im still tryna figure it out

[random tundra]

just do high inward and really really breath in

[fervent crow]

Yeah-

Issue is my inward is still loose inward, not tight inward like its supposed to be

[random tundra]

mine is pretty loose too

not as yours

but its loose

just practice that u get it

[fervent crow]

No mine is litterally loose inward, not just a loose inward

Its a different variation of inward

Where you dont raise you epiglottis

Which i ddnt learn how to do because i learned it with throat bass-

[random tundra]

ah yeah I completely forgot about these lol

[fervent crow]

Lol

[stuck stump]

Why do I get a bit dizzy when I do my chest bass now

[fervent crow]

light headed

too much air going out compared to air going back in

[stuck stump]

Oh

how do I do evil bass and what does it sound like

[random tundra]

try to tight ur larynx

should feel very painful and sounds like shi

[random tundra]

the way I got my evil bass was trying to mimic that vomit sound

like that blerrghh

[stuck stump]

LMAO

[stuck stump]

Damn

[stuck stump]

How can I do my bass sounds longer

Cause I can only hold my chest bass for like 5 seconds before I run out of air

[random tundra]

practice

[random tundra]

yeah lol

this is how I got

[stuck stump]

Lemme hear your evil bass

[random tundra]

ok ok

wait

its sounding pretty bad rn

I need to warm up to get it good

and even when I warm up it doesnt sounds too good lmao

[stuck stump]

Jurassic park

Can you also do the thing that the guy in the recording was doing

[random tundra]

nope

[stuck stump]

Like the evil bass + uvula bass thing

Oh

[random tundra]

hes one is evil + tight uvula

that one is hard

[stuck stump]

Can you do hardness

Hardbass

[random tundra]

yes

a really messy one

but yes

[stuck stump]

Lmao

Also is this better

[random tundra]

my chest bass isnt 100% harmonized with evil

but when I get it right sounds good af

[random tundra]

ye

[stuck stump]

🔥

[stuck stump]

Is it throat bass now 😭

[random tundra]

I think so

[random tundra]

@fervent crow

@stuck stump here the chest bass is harmonized with evil more correctly

u can see that its way lower

there is a big undertone on it

[stuck stump]

Wooahhh

Cool sound

[random tundra]

yeah

[stuck stump]

I just started beatbox like a month ago lmao

[random tundra]

cool

[stuck stump]

https://youtu.be/0I_FIPcl0dA?si=8GuOh9KyuOAJJEfB

Do you know what this bass the called

In the second drop

[fervent crow]

he does 4 basses throughout the whole vid

inward bass, high octave vibration bass, slizzer roll, and 808 kick

actually in the 2nd drop he does all of em

the high octave vibration bass being when he sings while sounding constipated-

the inward is the main bass there, the grimey one

the clicks or rattle he does is slizzer roll, and the subbass is 808 kick

[stuck stump]

Oh

[stuck stump]

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

do it orally and i can tell

slizzer bass at a certain point nasally sounds very close, so at that point easier to tell orally

[stuck stump]

What does that mean

[random tundra]

do it trought ur mouth

not nose

[stuck stump]

Oh ok

@random tundra @fervent crow

The vibration feels lower on my throat than my chest bass

[random tundra]

still trought nose

[stuck stump]

I think if it’s not throat then I’m atleast getting closer

[stuck stump]

What

[random tundra]

do it trought ur mouse

mouth*

do it with ur mouth open

[stuck stump]

Like this?

[stuck stump]

I am

[random tundra]

u still can make a sound only trought ur nose with mouth open

[stuck stump]

Oh

[random tundra]

yes

[random tundra]

I think its chest bass

[fervent crow]

yeah still slizzer

[stuck stump]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

I mean I guess it doesn’t really matter

If it sounds similar then it doesn’t really matter if it’s actually throat bass or slizzer bass

As long as I’m making that sound 😭

[stuck stump]

Wait I wanna hear your vibration bass

Also isn’t vibration bass harder than throat bass

Cause all the tutorials I see the prerequisite for vibration bass is throat bass 😭

They say like go lower in your throat bass until it starts to like crack

[random tundra]

idk for me vibration bass feels way more natural than just throat bass

[random tundra]

cant do it rn

people are sleeping

[random tundra]

I learned vibration before throat lol

I just tried to bang my false folds with air while doing constricted voice

and it worked

really well

[stuck stump]

Why are you up 😭

[stuck stump]

Ah

[stuck stump]

Oooo

I wanna learn vibration bass ngl

Also seems very versatile

You can like make it sound so different depending on how you do it

[random tundra]

idk lmao

[random tundra]

yeah kinda

[stuck stump]

Make a beat!

[stuck stump]

What type of bass is that

[fervent crow]

inward bass

trying to get double inward

[stuck stump]

How do I even do inward bass

When I try to do inward bass I just get inward uvula bass 💀

[fervent crow]

your tongue is raised too high, and you are aiming too high

you wanna aim deep

litterally same place and muscle as your chest bass

[stuck stump]

Ohh

But then I just make like a uhm

Weird sound

Not bass

Then it just sounds like this

And if I use my voice it sounds like the vocal fry

[fervent crow]

that sounds like a very basic inward, just need to tighten more

its in the right spot

either tighten and use more air, or use more air and loosen while keeping that position

[stuck stump]

How do I tighten it

[fervent crow]

idk how to explain- its just a skill you should have lol

only way to explain tightening it is "tightening it:

[stuck stump]

Idk what it means tho 😭

To tighten my voice

@fervent crow I managed to get this sound but I’m pretty sure this is just a inward vocal fry

[fervent crow]

it def is

dont tighten your voice

you tighten your arytenoids

do chest bass, keep that position, and hyperventilate in and out with it

[stuck stump]

Idk what that feels like tho I’ve never done it, atleast not intentionally so idk how to do it

[fervent crow]

well, learn chest bass before inward lol

dont do what i did

[stuck stump]

like this?

[fervent crow]

i screwed myself over

[stuck stump]

Well I know chest bass

[fervent crow]

faster, keep the position and tightness more

[stuck stump]

Uhmmmmm

I’m not even moving anything I’m just breathing in and out lmao

[fervent crow]

on the inward breaths you do wanna tighen more in the exact same spot as the chest bass

when you tighten it will make it harder to breath in

[stuck stump]

Ohhhh

[stuck stump]

am I on the right track to vibration bass or am I just making weird noises 😭

This too

[fervent crow]

Honestly, kinda hard to tell

You are rrally takig the hard route by skipping throat bass-

A necissary part of vibration bass

[stuck stump]

Idk like

How to practice it

Cause I can do chest bass

And slizzer bass or whatever

But idk how to like transition to throat

Cause like idk what’s different in the feel yk

And I can’t really tell if I’m making progress cause I don’t even know the difference myself 😭

Like to me slizzer bass and throat sounds exactly the same

Oh nah google Gemini trippin 😭

Wtf is a codfish sound 😭

[fervent crow]

Dawg codfish DOES NOT sound like codfish???

[fervent crow]

Sorry

SLIZZER does not sound like codfish

Its late ok-

[narrow pike]

ye np

[fervent crow]

Oh yeah ik did you ever see my vid?

[narrow pike]

ye I seen it

[fervent crow]

Then to us they sounr completely different lol

[narrow pike]

good stuff man

[fervent crow]

Yaays

[stuck stump]

That’s what I’m saying 😭

[stuck stump]

Yeah cause I’m inexperienced lmao

But I can’t just ping you every 2 seconds sooo I kinda just have to figure it out on my own

[wooden cedar]

I can get vibration through both chest and throat but when going through chest I kinda add more unvocalized chest(correct me if im wrong but that would be the clearing of the throat sound?) if that makes sense

[stuck stump]

Uhm

I thought clearing your throat works for both chest and throat bass

[wooden cedar]

yes it does

but the growl sound that is unvocalized is what im referring to

actually is it unvocalized?

[stuck stump]

Ohh

[stuck stump]

Wdym

[narrow pike]

uhhh normal chest bass is unvocalized till you vocalize it then it becomes vocalized chest bass?

[fervent crow]

There is vibrstion chest bass, but the method to get it is odd

[stuck stump]

What is that

[wooden cedar]

yeah I was just tripping

[stuck stump]

What does that sound like

[fervent crow]

You have to do the chest bass a 5th/octave and a 5th higher then your voice rather than an octave and a 5th lower

[stuck stump]

So it’s higher than normal chest instead of lower?

[fervent crow]

So it creates a true subharmonic, which causes the airmolicules to create a 3rd pitch from them bashing into eachother

[fervent crow]

Higher then the voice in it

[stuck stump]

Can you send a example

[fervent crow]

Lemme grab dens recording cause hes learning it rn

[stuck stump]

Like

The den?

Like the one from Canada

[narrow pike]

ye

[stuck stump]

The one that got 4th or something like that in the gbb25 wildcards

[narrow pike]

ye

[stuck stump]

Ohhhh

Is it really hard then if he is learning it

[fervent crow]

My bud, yeah

[fervent crow]

I would say so, its also just... Weird

[stuck stump]

Oooohhhhhh

Woahhh

Cool

Is it just me or does it kinda sound like the hardbass 😭

[fervent crow]

Thats just you

[stuck stump]

Oh

[fervent crow]

Sounds nowhere close to hard bass

Polar opposites

[stuck stump]

💀

[fervent crow]

Idk what hard bass youve heard-

[stuck stump]

Uhm

This one

💀

I swear it’s kinda similar

Atleast to me

[fervent crow]

I really dont rhink so lol

[stuck stump]

Electric been typing for the past like 5 mins

[wooden cedar]

it shouldn’t need to be higher(the chest bass at least) though cuz thats not necessary for a true subharmonic? a true sub can still happen when the chest is below the voice due to the nature of true subs can it not? because true subs are reliant upon the interval between the two specific pitches(not octaved is what i mean) are they not?

[stuck stump]

O

Ok

[fervent crow]

Espesh cause they are both two polar opposite techniques

[wooden cedar]

trying to put my thoughts into words and i suck at it 😭

[fervent crow]

Thats where its weird

It apparently doesnt

You dont get the subharmonic affect, you get the harmonies, but you dont get the air molicules creating a 3rd pitch

[stuck stump]

Wait is like the roles that are like < 1 year or 1-3 years referring to how long you’ve been beatboxing or how long you’ve been in this server

[narrow pike]

how long youve been beatboxing

[fervent crow]

You can get the same effect with other basses too by being a 5th above the voice

[stuck stump]

Oh

[fervent crow]

Its what we call vibration state chest bass

Or sorry

Vibration state bass

[stuck stump]

Like

Ones with the uhm

Throat parts

Or like

Any other bass

[wooden cedar]

well here’s the thing with true subs though, the frequencies subtract as they are hitting each other in a small space and as such it is only dependent upon the two notes, not necessarily the one being higher than the other, so the subharmonic effect is still created - that is what it is?

[fervent crow]

Becauze it uses the same aspect as vibration bass, as in the throat bass is a 5th above the voice

[fervent crow]

The subhsrmonic effect is just what i call when the airmolicules create a new note

[stuck stump]

Wait what’s the difference between vibration and throat bass anatomically wise

[narrow pike]

I mean it kinda makes sense from a physical standpoint cus if the frequency on top is lower it feedbacks the air still coming into it and having more resistence thus not letting constructive interference happen

[stuck stump]

I don’t have the anatomy chart saved 😭

[fervent crow]

You only hear it on vibration state sounds, otherwise all vocalized sounds would be atleast triphoniv

Vibration chest bass there only has 2 muscle vibrations i beleive

Yet 3 pitches

Its a super interesting.phenominon you get with pianos when you play two notes a 5th appart from eachother

Maybe its not an octave and a 5th higher and is just a 5th...

[stuck stump]

Can you do hardbass

[fervent crow]

No, i struggle with chest bass

And cant do evil bass

[stuck stump]

Oh

[wooden cedar]

it should only be a 5th, though a 4th lower should also work i believe

[stuck stump]

What about Carlos he’s good with chest bass right

[narrow pike]

yea he does hard bass

[fervent crow]

Yeah, i was just thinkin cause its 2nd sub, but then i realized theres a reason we call it vibration chest

Cause the chest bass is a 5th higher then the voice, thwn the vibration of the airmolicules are the correct pitch to make it go 2nd sub

Same for vibration bass, where the throat bass is a 5th higher then the voice, and the ayrepiglottic folds complete it by being lower then the voice creating a 2nd subharmonic

Or its truely vibratiom poly chest where its the same concept but with poly chest, its become very muddy over time cause its still a new sound

Im just tryna keep up