Offering help with bass stuff

[fervent crow]

and fat throat bass also lets you get quite low, not as low as loose throat bass, but low enough

wing for example does fat throat bass

thats about as low as you can get it

before you needa go marcus perez and go loose throat bass

[narrow pike]

then do you maybe have an example audio for double throat bass I could use as reference cus like this is a whole weird ass spectrum with swimmy lines inbetween so I could ask away for decades with certain audios

cus like theres something else I have that matches up with what you said about it sounding closer to poly chest which I always just labeled a weaker vibration bass

[fervent crow]

the 2nd recording was him raving about how good it sounded at a perfect 5th

[fervent crow]

^^

[narrow pike]

I mean I guess it sounds similar to that with some weird clickyness just spawning in problem is I just do all my shi way lower

like I can get those same 4 fat ass frequency lanes just theyre way lower

and also other insanely similar patterns like one frequency splitting downward into 2 at almost 45° or sum

why am I such a freak bruh

[fervent crow]

lol

[fervent crow]

the clickyness is the issue lol, thats a sign of aryepiglottic

[fervent crow]

tbf, alot of sounds can mimic those exact frequency lanes

i dont remmeber, but one variation of bv bass + another sound can perfectly match how poly vibration looks

typically visually going for it to match sounds isnt great, to figure out a sound when you dont have an ear, then yes

[narrow pike]

yea ik I only really take it as slight indicator and kinda try to guess the rest, its just annoying cus with the way I can kinda easily go between activating more stuff in the front to more in the back to some of both and most of both, I was first thinking it was more like remix then thought maybe it was bass ventura bass by me MAYBE being able to split both frequencies between arytenoids and aryepiglottics to now just trying around with varying amounts of activation in the front and back

[fervent crow]

i dont view it in front and back because it doesnt really change

theres more just up and down to me

typically when people push sounds back, they end up actually just covering their throat more with their epiglottis

[narrow pike]

yea but thats also the thing it mostly gets more irritating higher up the more I do it in the front

like its just weird

and all these endoscopes on amazon are ass camera quality so thats off the list sadly

[fervent crow]

yeah lol

well your sounds really dont push backwards or forwards, still just up, down, and inwards, really the front and back is more projection

ofc higher projections will mean you are pushing aspects of the sound more

which does feel like the front, while if you push it back its more epiglottis covering the voice like you would smeagle voice

where you dont project it at all

also for the front part, theres more tightening and jaytoning i find

which could explain the irratation

[narrow pike]

well ive been just interpreting it as that + just not really hitting normal vibration bass correctly when trying for it

[fervent crow]

everyone has their quirk for viewing sounds, for me its air control and projection

i dont view it as certain muscles tightening/loosening, i view it as how the air hits the muscle and aiming my air in a way

but also at the same time imagine the muscles loosening and stuff

typically my muscles move themselves

to match what im envisioning air wise

[narrow pike]

yea I mean I try and go down a similar route ig

which also makes me wonder whats the definition for vibration chest think ive been misinterpreting that and applying it wrongly

[fervent crow]

unless im doing more difficult sounds like 3rd sub vibration

[fervent crow]

vibration chest is true sub, so you do the chest bass a perfect 5th above the voice, and those are the only two oscillations

but there are 3 pitches

as the harmony between the two muscles causes a subharmonic effect of causing the airmolicules to bash against eachother and make their own note

[narrow pike]

ight and could you lay out again what you believe remix bass is?

[fervent crow]

remix bass we beleive is simular to exactly that, maybe with jayton, its hard to tell but we are very certain its not normal vibration to say the lease

or its a form of poly chest bass, but idk what the pitches would be

cause wouldnt be a perfect 5th, as that is ervhino poly chest

you would have to talk to subharmonikz sometime, perhaps is lesages server

he can explain his theories much better then i can

the big thing telling us remix vibration is somewhat different is how it has gollum voice, but it isnt muffled, something you cant get with fold sounds really

the oscillation is hardly impeded by the gollum, nearly full volume

ignoring his bv bass ofc

and it would make sense if he was doin something weird, because i dont beleive he can do normal basic aah throat bass-

he does slizzer

however, would be amazing to chat with remix again to ask him a few questions lol

see if hes aware of what hes doing (doubtfull, he knows his subharmonics, nothing else)

rn, thats one of our biggest hypothosis lol, not even a theory propperly

[narrow pike]

yea true Imma do that sometime I mean just what specifically drove me crazy is that I can slip into what you said sounds closer to remix bass from my "fat throat bass" easily and that that throat bass sometimes really likes to misbehave and slip sometimes (and hearing something that sounded very similar to that in his gbb elim) and that just from tightening from that position in a very linear way I can get what seems like a more normal vibration bass

*drives

actively

[fervent crow]

lol

yeah hes sometimes busy but hes atleast interested in you cause you are hyper interested in learning

[narrow pike]

thats good to hear

[fervent crow]

Something we dont get oftwn enough lol

The more bass nerds, the more knowlage that id spread, the more people that get interested, rinse and repeat

[narrow pike]

true

[fervent crow]

updated this for yall

[random tundra]

Throat bass sounding weird af

idk why but this doesn't feel like regular throat

[tepid comet]

https://youtu.be/6pYPxE4dtBQ?si=KseDIcVvGuEpVSUK&t=829

13:52

do u know how duckzy is doing this inwards bass laugh type beat. ive tried doing it but the texture sounds nothing like his

This is the closest ive got :/

[fervent crow]

Well first of all

Its a poly sound lol

[random tundra]

No way lmao

Idk but to me sounds really similar to throat bass

[random tundra]

Actually I can hear it being poly now

But there is more to it

[fervent crow]

its also not 1st sub

but also doesnt sound like you are red in the face constipated

[narrow pike]

I mean ig its just a stutter on "ha" maybe even "ya" or sum around there

• his mic has a fat mix

[narrow pike]

also he also rolls the inward bass with his tongue sometimes

looser clickroll + inward

[tepid comet]

but the bass itself sounds different

[fervent crow]

ill listen in a sec to conferm or deny, forgot about it tbh

[narrow pike]

I mean honestly with his mix its kinda hard to tell but id say its just rolling his inward

but the inward he uses no idea

[fervent crow]

well, inward textures are some of the most varied out of any sound

it reminds me kiiinda of evil inward bass

but basically you tighten it alot

or rather pressurize it alot

more then what you currently have

inward theres only like 4 set main ones, tight inward, loose inward, evil inward, and textured inward

[fervent crow]

then 3 of those have almost infinite sub variations just based on so many factors

[random tundra]

How do I make my inward sounds louder and fuller?

Mine is not bad but other people inward seems to be much louder

This is it without me pushing it to much

[fervent crow]

Tightening it, more air and def pushing

[random tundra]

ok ty

[random tundra]

i started to do this sound again today

actually i just think its a vocal fry with a lot of phlegm in the throat

lmao

if a clear my throat it doenst sound like this anymore

idk why this happens

[narrow pike]

yea fry sounds can be very very influenced by phlegm

cus it can sort of "extend" the same motion of the vocal fry

like the phlegm itself can fry to some extent ig

dunno how else to put it

[fervent crow]

basically that

and it can make it go weirdly subharmonic, because plegm can be used as a muscle with difficulty lol

its why you have mucus bass, where you make the mucus in your nose pop rythmicly enough to go subharmonic lol

[shrewd bolt]

yo, i use Two H's (but it sounds like osis cause of my default inward texture) inward bass variation, its basically putting ur tongue in the roof of your mouth While doing the bass, so it gets lower. and then for the pattern i'm basically just saying "yah yah yah" like laughing

[fervent crow]

(i will say it doesnt particularly get lower, it allows it to cause it widens the space in your larynx a bit, but it also makes it more resonant, not tryin to be a smart ass but just clearing it up lol)

man i still needed update my chest bass family list- clear things up, swap out anything mentioning epiglottis besides zombie bass

[tepid comet]

Thanks for the reply, love u bro

[random tundra]

te amo cara

[random tundra]

lmaoo

[narrow pike]

even tho my voice hasnt been all there since tuesday I got this routrine bass today, which is like my best and most harmonic try by far ever but it sounds like im getting some standard vibration in there or is that just my ears pranking me

also like the snot production is insane

[narrow pike]

also I think ive found a way to do an inhale bass sound that might be able to be subharmonic cus it relies on a whistle airstream and has a non closing liproll over it so are there any sort of smooth inward vocal sounds except inward falsetto and inward high poly

[fervent crow]

No not really

Most inward sounds are more oscillaty then normal

Cause they arent meant to be done that way

[narrow pike]

yea figured

well I guess im getting a little subharmonicity but the base sound itself is already pretty hard but its floppyness can be greatly reduced due to the whistle

but even that is already so much harder than just hitting the sound

can be reduced to a slight lip wiggle only if done right tho

[tepid comet]

sounds good bro

cool sound

[narrow pike]

thanks g

tryna get the bass from this video down

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EQqx4inferk

just sounds so insane when clean

[tepid comet]

yeah this vid is nuts

is this iphone audio?

wtf is this bass?

[narrow pike]

think so, makes it even crazier

[narrow pike]

throat bass + nasal uvula bass

[tepid comet]

if this is iphone audio only, this is inhuman imo. thats the level i aspire to get at

[tepid comet]

really? I wouldnt have guessed

sounds like a super clean vibration bass

outwards right?

[narrow pike]

ye outwards

[narrow pike]

fr if space hadnt told me id still be guessing

[tepid comet]

it sounds like vibration + droping the jaw

[tepid comet]

kinda sounds like this just much clearer and louder

with a kick dumb at the start

[narrow pike]

yea I mean vibration is throat bass + aryepiglottic folds and this is throat bass + nasal uvula

so they will sound similar

but still different enough

routrine bass can get way louder projection tho ig

and its insane how much this bass shakes your entire head

ig its actually just more using the uvula to get the entire soft palate to vibrate

it really sounds like snorting in even tho its outward if you dont add the throat bass

[tepid comet]

yeah im sure, thats always annoying af

[fervent crow]

Yup

And best part is, its not even the bass thats shooked my head the most

Lol

[narrow pike]

yea some tongue basses can also shake your head hard

but this is the only bass ive done until now that actually also really heats up my head weirdly

[fervent crow]

Actually the bassnthat has shaken my head the most was low vocal bass, or closed teeth tongue bass

[narrow pike]

or some evil uvula shi ig

[fervent crow]

I thought routrine bass was vibration at first too

but it was too round

Too round for vibrstion, too sharp for chest bass

And then i heard how nasally it sounds

[random tundra]

I kinda feel like there is another muscle vibrating with the eppiglotis on this inward

Idk what

Something tiny

Maybe is the uvula

It doesn't feel like my normal inward

There's more rattle on it

Just a little bit

Sounds louder too

[fervent crow]

Def uvula

You can hear how theres slight distortion at the top of the throat

[random tundra]

Yeah

Is it a vibration like snore bass or vocal bass?

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

Because it doesn't feel loose like when I do outward uvula bass

Idk inward uvula feels so weird for me

Even with just snore bass lol

Yeah I think it's inward + snore bass

Sounds cool

[fervent crow]

Inwar duvula is way tighter then outward

[random tundra]

makes sense

[pine raft]

How to get bass like osis,

[fervent crow]

Which one of osis' bass lol

Cause you have CMZ which is lip bass + laser whistle + falsetto

You have his special vibration bass where its super pressurized and low

[pine raft]

I am talking about his Inward bass

[fervent crow]

Ah his inward

Tight, he puts the tip of his tongue to the roof of his mouth to make it more resonant, and goes very low pitch

[pine raft]

I am not sure if I am having snore bass from mouth

I can also do it from nose

But no idea if it is a inward bass or snort bass

[fervent crow]

Could you record so i can hear?

[pine raft]

Can we go to some empty vc

Jam 2 is empty

[fervent crow]

Lets go to chill 3, cause jam 2 wont be empty for long

[pine raft]

Thank you brother

[fervent crow]

Yee

[random tundra]

If chest bass is made by the arytenoids, relaxing evil bass would be the best way to get zombie bass instead of doing it with chest?

Like

Trying to get a relaxed vibration on the evil bass position

[fervent crow]

I will say, on my list, evil bass is the onpy one that is A HUNDRED PERCENT a guess

We have not figured out quite where it is

Honesyly just doint chest bass and hyper relaxing should work fine

[random tundra]

Lmaoo

What made you believe that chest is not made by the eppiglotis?

[fervent crow]

My teacher telling me lmao, he figured it out months ago, but i glazed over it-

He figured our cause he was able to hold his epiglottis down with his finger, and still do chest bass

[random tundra]

WTF

And what about the footage of people doing it and the eppiglotis going nuts?

[fervent crow]

Talkin about kendreon or whatever his name is spelt?

The epiglottis for all but zombie bass actually only vibrates because the aryernoids are pushed against it

Thats what chest bass is, arytenoids pressed against a raised epiglottis

[random tundra]

Yep lmao

[fervent crow]

Yeah lol

Its moreso vibrating via assosiation

And on another note

[random tundra]

Dude

[fervent crow]

Guess who basically found outward electro bass

[random tundra]

My head just exploded

Lmao

That why the throat is floppy af on that video

Like

Almost everything on that region is vibrating

[random tundra]

Dlow lip bass?

Damn

[random tundra]

Way easier to vocalize it now

[fervent crow]

Probs yeah

I only vocalized it once lol

Makes my lips numb

[random tundra]

How tf he hold his eppiglotis

[fervent crow]

Finger down his throat

Im not even exaggerating

[random tundra]

Holy shi

That's crazy

[random tundra]

This made me realize that there is so much more to learn about basses 😭

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

So

[fervent crow]

Its a big thing we needa spread more info on

[random tundra]

Poly chest would be the arytenoids being unsyxronized?

[fervent crow]

Actually its in the works i talk to one of the big vocal coaches whove been reacting to beatbox

[fervent crow]

Yup

[random tundra]

That good

[fervent crow]

Makes way more sense then the epiglottus oscillating twice lol

[random tundra]

Yeah

Fr

[random tundra]

Same with double inward?

Btw

[fervent crow]

Yeah same with double inward

[random tundra]

Why inward bass normally sounds lower than chest?

Because theoretically it's the same thinf

But inward

[fervent crow]

Well, do you think the muscles are supposed to oscillate inwards?

[random tundra]

Nope

[fervent crow]

Most muscles curve upwards i beleive

So when going up, they dont get to oscillate as much normally

But now take those and force them to bend inwards

Suddenly way wider oscillations

[random tundra]

Aaaah

That makes sense

Just because of how curved they are

[fervent crow]

Same can be shown about inward fry compared to outward

[random tundra]

Yeah

[fervent crow]

Ofc some sounds are looser outwards normally, likw tongue bass and uvula (compared to their opposites of inward uvula and clickroll)

[random tundra]

Yep

Would be possible to mix the arytenoids with the eppiglotis and get a crazy full chest bass?

Almost like zombie bass + chest bass

[fervent crow]

That would be close to just zombie bass

Zombie bass does include arytenoid action, but the epiglottis overpowers it

[random tundra]

I want so bad to get zombie bass ngl lol

I've been trying to get it for a couple of time

But I can't push it 100% because of the air pressure that makes me light headed lmao

[fervent crow]

Yeaaah

[random tundra]

Is it true that some part of the zombie bass rattle is made by some evil bass vibration?

I think I have seen someone saying that

[fervent crow]

Theres a chance, theres also a chance it sounds like that cause hyper loose and hyper pressurized are very simular in sound

[random tundra]

Really?

[fervent crow]

Not a great example cause havnt really had time to warm anything up

Typucally when you pressurize without tightening, you will get a simular oscillation to one that is super loose

Its just flapping and it slapping against something

Rather then oscillating

Thats what i was going for

Or rather then oscillating against nothing

Man brain is scrambled

[random tundra]

That's why u can get vibration by tighting throat bass and just relaxing it?

[narrow pike]

the corniculates hitting eachother 🔥

[fervent crow]

Basically, its a weird case but yeah

Constricting, pressurizing, and tightening are all diffwrent

[random tundra]

pressurizing is with just air pressure?

or its something different?

[fervent crow]

Kinda yeah? Thry all share aspects but obviously they sound way different

Its hard to explain

[random tundra]

Np

[frank crane]

What is this?

[random tundra]

Is this 100% unvocalized vibration or just less vocalized?

Sometimes it feels like it's skeletal vibration and sometimes it feels like a veeeery unvocalized vibration

[fervent crow]

sounds like an unclean vibration

[fervent crow]

just less vocalized rn

odd vibration ive been getting

[foggy yarrow]

Hi I am trying to learn my throat bass, there’s a 2nd lower pitch that’s audible, is that supposed to be there or?

[fervent crow]

Hmm, sounds like shield poly or shield poly + throat bass

Cause yeah throat bass (though it is 2 notes) should sound like 1 note

[fervent crow]

^^

[narrow pike]

yea sounds about right for shield poly + tight throat bass

also with how gunky it gets for higher frequencies

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

more breath to unvocalize it?

is it closer?

[fervent crow]

well more breath wouldnt really be necissary, legit just unvocalizing it more

i cant listen to the most recent one, but the first one you sent was just slightly more vocalized then mine

[molten parrot]

what is the throat bass logic? it has vibration levels? im new sorry if it sounds dumb.

[random tundra]

it has subharmonics

e pq vc odeia loiras

[molten parrot]

pq uma me feriu

[random tundra]

trsite amigo

[molten parrot]

acontece, academia ta ai pra isso

[random tundra]

reak

real

[random tundra]

sabe a serie harmonica?

[molten parrot]

nao KKKKKK

[random tundra]

resumindo

todo som produz harmonicos naturais ao ser tocado, vc tem uma nota fundamental e esses harmonicos sao criados naturalmente a partir dessa nota

se vc tem um lá sendo tocado a 220hz, o primeiro harmonico é um lá 440hz

vai ficando mais agudo tlg

isso sao os overtones

ai vc t em o ao contrario

q sao os subharmonics

no caso do throat bass

vc tem uma nota fundamental sendo feita com sua voz

[narrow pike]

throat bass is a 1st subharmonic sound (very usually) and has true cords + false cords; common vibration bass is 2nd subharmonic and has true cords + false cords + aryepiglottic folds

[random tundra]

vc ativa as pregas vestibulares (ativa o throat bass) e elas vibram junto com suas cordas vocais criando o primeiro subharmonico dessa nota fundamental

fazendo um som grave

ai quando vc faz o throat bass, e ativa as pregas aryeppigloticas, vc ta fazendo o vibration bass

que é o segundo subharmonico

[random tundra]

yea

tendeu?

pqp como é bom ver br aqui

[molten parrot]

entao o throat bass é quando os "hz" vao diminuindo, ou seja, diminui a frequencia, e isso se chama subharmonics, e o throat bass é um subharmonic, e tem niveis mais baixos ainda que é o vibration, isso?

[random tundra]

issssoo

[molten parrot]

poise KAKNDKSJD

[random tundra]

ai vc pode ativar o terceiro subharmonico

com o vibration

so q isso édificil pra cacete

seguinte

voui te mandar um video aqui que demonstra issoi

[molten parrot]

i get it, thanks man 🙏

[molten parrot]

so de falar, realmente parece dificil

[random tundra]

so q os subharmonicos nao sao produzidos naturalmente em todo som igual os harmonicos

eles sao produzidos artificialmente

nesse caso, sao produzidos ativando outros musculos da garganta

ai isso da no throat e no vibration

[random tundra]

nao aguentava mais falar de grave em ingles 😭

qualquer coisa pode mandar no pv ai tb

creio eu que seja mais facil de entender as coisa em portugues que em ingles

[molten parrot]

por isso que é dificil, pq a gente nao usa naturalmente.

[random tundra]

perfeitamente

[molten parrot]

sim KKKKKK, obrigado mesmo

[random tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SNPB_uXgz_M

o primeiro subharmonico é o throat e o segundo o vibration

agora como funciona pra acessar os subs mais grave, eu nao faco ideia

[molten parrot]

tem que vender a alma

[random tundra]

quem sabe o terceiro é o @fervent crow

af

me censuraram

[molten parrot]

ah esse cara, o cara e um genio

[random tundra]

real

[molten parrot]

cara sabe de tudo e todos

[random tundra]

ele tem uma nota fundamental, que nesse caso é o si (b2)

e quando ele ativa o throat, ele entra no primeiro subharmonico, descendo a nota uma oitava

ai vira um b1

quando ativa o segundo sub, o vibraton, ele desce mais um intervalo de quinta

ai vira e1

tudo isso sem mudar a nota que ele ta fazendo com a voz normal

que é um b2

no inicio isso é meio confuso de entender quando vc nao tem nenhuma bagagem musical teorica

mas com o tempo vc pega o jeito

primeiro sub desce uma oitava e o segundo desce 1 + uma quinta

estou falando muito meu dewus

[molten parrot]

eu entendi eu acho, ele basicamente permanece com a mesma nota mas vai descendo a tons mais graves

[random tundra]

exatamente

[molten parrot]

relaxa KKKKKK, eu sou nerd, eu gosto de ficar aprendendo

[random tundra]

esses subharmonicos vao aparecendo por cima da nota fundamental que ele ta fazendo

[random tundra]

te entendo

[fervent crow]

No hablo expañol? Idk what language yall speaking lol-

[random tundra]

its portuguese lol

[molten parrot]

portuguese

[random tundra]

np

[fervent crow]

Ah

Man portuguese has alot of simular word styles as spanish

[molten parrot]

carlos was teaching me how subharmonic works

[fervent crow]

Fasinating

[random tundra]

what I was saying about u is that idk how to get 3nd throat bass sub, but u can

so u can explain how it works

[fervent crow]

I can get 3rd sub vibration bass

I count vibratio as its own sound as it adds a 3rd muscle

I cannot do throat bass subs on their own yet, havnt gotten tight throat bass

[narrow pike]

subharmonize, but more distance between aryepiglottic frequency and throat bass 🔥

im just guessing ion actually know

[fervent crow]

Lol basically actually

[random tundra]

makes sense

[fervent crow]

The throat bass and aryepiglottic folds are at a 5th between eachother, then ofc both combined are an octave and a fith below the voice

[random tundra]

yes

that is vibration

but like

what happens that creates the 3nd sub?:

[fervent crow]

Then 3rd sub vibration its an octave between the throat bass and the aryepiglottic folds, equaling to 2 total octaves

Below the voice

[random tundra]

ik that too but like

to get 2nd sub u activate the ary folds

[fervent crow]

Mhm

[random tundra]

and how do u get 3nd sub?

[narrow pike]

sadly for some sounds the best description is to just do them

[random tundra]

what creates the 3nd sub?

[random tundra]

lmao

[narrow pike]

literally just this

[fervent crow]

You add no more muscles

It stays the same 3

[random tundra]

so

whaty happens

that creates is

it

[narrow pike]

routrine bass made me realize this, its weird

[fervent crow]

Adding the aryepiglottic folds lets it go into a forced subharmonic

[random tundra]

its like changing the subharmonic itself, without changing anything else??

[narrow pike]

nah ig youre changing the frequencies of both components

[fervent crow]

Oh, you loosen the aryepiglottic folds so they are the right octave

Legit thats all

[random tundra]

ok now it makes sense

lmao

[random tundra]

both languages came from latin, so they are really similar

[fervent crow]

Normal vbass you add the aryepiglottic folds, lower vbass subs you loosen the aryepiglottic folds, and typically constrict your voice more

[random tundra]

same thing with french

[fervent crow]

See thing is french i can tell from spanish pretty easily

[random tundra]

makes sense now

[random tundra]

probably because of the accent

idk

[fervent crow]

I guess spanish and portuguese both use a bit more normal vowels

(Well, normal as in english vowels)

[random tundra]

but if u study latin, u see that the vocabulary is almost like a mix between those languages lol

[fervent crow]

Oh i know how they come from latin lol

Mainly from the alphabet

Uno, un. Dos, du

[random tundra]

ye

btw

is poly evil bass possible?

like poly chest

[random tundra]

something like double evil bass

or double hardbass

[molten parrot]

o que é poly que tanto falam?

[random tundra]

2 sons sendo produzidos pelo mesmo musculo

[fervent crow]

So, double evil bass does exist, but not like that

[molten parrot]

sons iguais?

[random tundra]

duas notas, especificamente

[fervent crow]

Evil bass is a bit too constricted and precise to do a double

[random tundra]

nao

duas notas distintas

[narrow pike]

I mean if it is then say farewell to your throat

[random tundra]

makes sense

[random tundra]

fr lmao

[molten parrot]

entendi

[random tundra]

ja mando um audio explicando

[fervent crow]

You can do false fold evil bass + arytenoid evil bass

And from what ive heard, its awful to do

Hurts like heck

So never try it lol

[random tundra]

makes sense

u would need pressure af to do that

[fervent crow]

Actually carlos, if i send my bass diagram, want to translate it for dilan? Like what each color signifies?

[random tundra]

yeah yeah

ofc

[random tundra]

mandei no pv

[molten parrot]

i know some sounds, the real problem is know what the place i need to do the sound, unless i study a little

[random tundra]

yeah u only find the spot for each sound messing around with it

[fervent crow]

Yeah, or looking at my diagram lol, it does show all the exact bass positions

Muscle memory on the other yand or feeling the sound, yeah thats experimenting

But generally visualization goes a long way

[random tundra]

idk why but if I try to vocalized my evil bass with chest voice I get a sound that feels so much like CEF bass

like evil vocalized with cef

[fervent crow]

Hmm, forgot you could do CEF bass

Well CEF bass is essentually hard bass + fry in a full term

[molten parrot]

it prolly will help me with my thoat

[fervent crow]

If you are doing a lower voice, might be going fry

If not then could just feel simular cause using the same muscles

[fervent crow]

Typically evil bass is best vocalized in falsetto

Cause the pressures match

[random tundra]

and u still can hear that messy hardbass undertone

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

Yeah just sounds like a vocalized hard bass

[random tundra]

really? because it feels sooo much like there is cef on it

idk if im vocalizing it with fry

[narrow pike]

make it subharmonic instead of going for cef imo

[random tundra]

i cant lmao

I suck at hardbass

[fervent crow]

Well CEF bass litterally stands for Chest + Evil + fry

And it can be vocalized

[narrow pike]

yea I mean I cant do hard bass eaither

dont really want to ig

[random tundra]

this shi is so hard do control

[random tundra]

I actually want so bad to get good at it

[fervent crow]

Honestly CEF bass is the full bass, but the evil bass is ultimatly optional

[random tundra]

I know 2 guys that are evil/hard bass masters and siounds so fcking good

[fervent crow]

I only know one

Being vonny

[narrow pike]

I dont know any, it does sound epic if done right but can also mess your throat up hard so Ill just max every vibration bass type sound then imma MAYBE move on to hard bass

[random tundra]

lool

[random tundra]

I cant even do vibration bass variations

I actually dont even see people using them

just the normal bbass itself

[narrow pike]

cus people dont understand the potential 💔

[fervent crow]

Then theres me :)

Honestly i probs have the most variations lol

[random tundra]

my main goal was to get good at inward bass variations

but then I noticed that I can do 6/7 chest bass

variations

and now I want to learn chest stuff

[fervent crow]

Lol

[random tundra]

actually just 5

[fervent crow]

Well, heres your checklist lol

I just got zombie bass

[random tundra]

I was counting hard and evil bass but then I remembered that chest doesnt use the eppiglotis like we used to think'

[fervent crow]

well, ok, remember

Evil bass is the only one we are probs wrong with position wise

[random tundra]

maybe hardbass count as a chest variation

idk

[random tundra]

oh yeah

I forgot about that too lmao

[fervent crow]

Evil bass could entirely be on the arytenoids

We also included zombie bass cause tha arytenoids do play a part

[narrow pike]

how many you got?

[random tundra]

yeah so I trhink that for chest bass I ill just count 5 lmao

[random tundra]

no way really?

thats cool

I want so bad to get this

[fervent crow]

You have to hyper relax while raising your epiglottis a bunch

[narrow pike]

I think I got like 3 main ones but I havent even really gotten down not triggering poly sub yet so I cant even to regular vibration basses but its very required for routrine bass so its getting better

[fervent crow]

Vibration, vibrstion 3rd sub, unsynced vibration, falsetto vibration-

[random tundra]

yeah idk how to raise my eppiglotis lol

btw

do you know someone who can teach me poly chest?

[fervent crow]

Low vocalization vibration

[random tundra]

I want to try it

[fervent crow]

Hmm, lemme ask my teacher if hes willing

[random tundra]

I think that is the only one i can do

[random tundra]

ok ty

[fervent crow]

Still needa make my tongue bass family

[molten parrot]

is this right or im just being stupid?

[random tundra]

I think its throat

[fervent crow]

Sounds more propper yeah

Honestly decent texture for begining, just lacking consistancy

[random tundra]

yeah

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/odL9lM2jF-g

is this just snore bass?

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

damn

crazy texture

[fervent crow]

Same concept as nasal uvula bass but inward

[random tundra]

yyep

ik

[fervent crow]

Yee, just had to say cause snore bass usually sounds different

[random tundra]

yeah

sounds way tighter

[fervent crow]

Also only through the nose

Snore bass typically uses both nose and mouth

Yk what is hard

Doing the typical snore bass, but outwards

[random tundra]

trough the mouth?

[narrow pike]

this is what it sounds like for me

but yea pretty hard

[narrow pike]

ye

[random tundra]

yeah thats hard lmao

I can kinda do it

[fervent crow]

Mouth and nose at once

[random tundra]

why sounds like im blowing the mic lmao

[narrow pike]

well I suppose its more the first half going through mouth and the 2nd half of the oscillation going through the nose

[fervent crow]

Dual projection uvula

[random tundra]

ye I dont think I can do that lool

[fervent crow]

Very hard because uvula is one of the only basses where oral and nasal are different sounds structure

[random tundra]

yeah

[random tundra]

this guy is actually crazy with it

I taught him the concept of inward bass and he almost got the vibration instantly

[narrow pike]

nerf bro

[random tundra]

fr

[fervent crow]

Inmean, if it clicks, it works well

Espesh cause you teavh the actual sound, not an idea of it

[foggy yarrow]

Is there anyway to pitch kenozen bass?

[fervent crow]

Not really no

Because its an airless sound

You can maybe slightly pith it up if you make it tighter

[foggy yarrow]

It only happens automatically when I do it in that specific pitch, I can’t turn it on and off on command

[fervent crow]

Yeah makes sense

Def is shield poly + throat bass tho, cause unsynced throat bass would only be 2 pitches, but there theres an extra one

[foggy yarrow]

Interesting

[fervent crow]

Had to specify that for myself cause unsynced throat bass also is way easier to do at higher pitches

[foggy yarrow]

Difference between synced and unsynced throat bass?

[fervent crow]

Synced is normal throat bass

Unsynced is when the false folds are vibrating at a different interval then the voice

[foggy yarrow]

So for example normal throat bass would be an A and then another A an octave lower

But unsynced is an A and a D?

[fervent crow]

Yeah

Not reallt?

So ok, they are still the same pitches

Generally, unless you REALLY unsync em

Imagine a frequency

2 frequencies overlapping

Their peaks are both in the same spots

Now imagine you took onw of those frequencies, and moved it just a little to the left

Its still the same frequency, but now its peaks no longer match with the other at any point

[foggy yarrow]

Is there an example I could listen to?

[fervent crow]

An old recording of mine actually!

This is when i first found the sound, before i evolved it into unsynced vibration bass

This is a good examplw of how it is now

[fervent crow]

^^

[foggy yarrow]

sound sick

[narrow pike]

same problem I have

I try to decrease the static/airflow coming from my nose when doing it nasally thats the only way I can find a kind of normal throat bass

decrease the whispered part ig but it still doesnt wanna work too well

[fervent crow]

Yeah you need to fully remove all whisper

just a tight full voice

[fervent crow]

Oo @random tundra heres a good example of tightening being different from constricting, high octave vibration bass vs vibration

For high octave, you tightwn your throat bass a bunch to make it fry, ans for normal vibration, you constrict your throat bass to let the aryepiglottic folds to vibrate

[random tundra]

I can kinda pitch it

its very hard to explain

and doesnt work well

but def there is a difference on the pitch

[random tundra]

really?

but what do you mean with high octave vibration?

[fervent crow]

Wdym? Like what is it?

Its an overtightening of the false folds, where you tighten them so much they begin to fry

Its really the only way to go subharmonic with throat bass without doing vibration

[random tundra]

aaah ok

[random tundra]

just try to put pressure on it

its pretty weird

but I think that is the max u can pitch it

[fervent crow]

Yeah yea you can go between like 3 notes lmao

[random tundra]

yeah

[molten parrot]

yesterday i learned how to do inward bass and as you use the same muscle to do chest, i started to try the chest bass too

[random tundra]

ur learning stuff so fcking fast

[fervent crow]

Just have to learn how not to vocalize it and get a clean texture

Cause you are learning quickly, but its the sound quality that counts

And control

[random tundra]

yep

[fervent crow]

Takw it from someone with over 40 basses lol

[molten parrot]

thanks master 🙏

[random tundra]

what is monke bass?

[fervent crow]

Basically falsetto vocal bass, but you do a super low and hard uvula oscillation with it

[narrow pike]

ayo space is bv vocalized or unvocalized

[fervent crow]

Bv is typically vocalized

[narrow pike]

damn

ight

no throat bass in there tho right?

[fervent crow]

No

Just voice, chest bass, and aryepiglottic folds

[narrow pike]

is it possible to 5th the chest bass and voice and still get arys

[random tundra]

low af

[random tundra]

I think bv bass is like that

atleast when I do it, it is

[fervent crow]

Well, bv bass is allready kinda a 5th between the arys and the arytenoids

[random tundra]

but the voice is a 5th to the arytenoids vibration too, right?

[fervent crow]

Shouldnt be, very typically we dont just use a 5th besides for spacific sounds betweennthe bass and voice

Only one i can name is vibration chesr bass

[random tundra]

but mine is like that

and u said its bv bass

[fervent crow]

Weird?

Maybe, idk bv is weird

[random tundra]

lmaoo

[fervent crow]

Technically shouldnt be required

Espesh cause makes subharmonic control more difficult lol

[random tundra]

but it CAN be like that, right?

[fervent crow]

It can yeah

Bv bass has subharmonics too

[random tundra]

its the same thing as vibration bass

its goes a 5th and a octave under

buuut

u said its bv bass

[random tundra]

so maybe is that?

[fervent crow]

Ah ok

So

I made a mistake

The aryepiglottic folds and arytenoids just stack

[random tundra]

?

[fervent crow]

So they are the same note

So the 5th makes sensea

[random tundra]

ok ok

yeah

thats why it sounds so full

[fervent crow]

As bv bass is an octave and a 5th between the voice and bass

[random tundra]

wydm by voice and bass?

[fervent crow]

(The bass being chest bass and the aryepiglottic folds, and the voice being he voice-)

[random tundra]

so its an octave and a 5th under like vibration bass?

[fervent crow]

Yup

[random tundra]

the aryepiglottic and arytenoids are both doing the same note, but an octave and a 5th under the real voice

[fervent crow]

Typicallt, tho it can go 1st sub or below 2nd

[random tundra]

is that it?

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

aaah ok ok

now I understood

ty

[random tundra]

so this is wrong

[narrow pike]

im asking cus I was doing the first thing which feels very arytenoidy then I tighten the aryepiglottics (I presume) and all of the sudden I get the most harmonic my vibrations ever been so yea

[random tundra]

ok ok

[narrow pike]

couldnt hold that burst for too long tho its like 3 am

[random tundra]

yeah i cant help u lmao

for my ears u are just doing normal vibration

lol

[fervent crow]

Yee

Also yall are gon a love this, clearing up my own understanding of vibration bass

[random tundra]

hmm

[fervent crow]

K

So

Ofc vibration uses jayton with the throat bass to make constricted theoat bass

Vibration bass actually uses the same style of pitches as vibrstion poly chest

Where the chest bass is a 5th HIGHER then the voice yes?

Well, the higher pitch in this case, is the throat bass

The throat bass becomes a 5th higher then the voice, and the voices rumble basically acts as a gateway for what we assume to be the aryepiglottic folds to start oscillating

At an octave and a 5th

Creating the 2nd subharmonic

:D

[narrow pike]

I been thinking something similar like, what if vibration and a theoretical "vibration chest bv bass" would virtually become indistinguishable subharmonics wise given enough power, cus like I noticed for some reason some really low notes kept spawning when it felt like i was hitting my bass "the right way"

only spittin out theories rn tho

imma hit up subharmonikz once my finals are over

[narrow pike]

not even really a theory but rather conspiracy

[fervent crow]

Dawg how tf did i get vocal bass to sound like a door creaking-

[narrow pike]

lmao

bruh I just came back from watching ervinhos sbx vid and yea the bass is absolutely nuts

trying it also made me realise Ive been going down the chest bass route the entire time

[fervent crow]

Lol

Im recording my one beatboxer 15 tongue bass variations

[narrow pike]

you starting your youtube now?

[fervent crow]

Kinda? The school computers have premeir pro and i wanna make atleast two videos with it

[narrow pike]

hell yea

yea and ill also definitely be learning ervinhos bass now shi is way too sick

ill keep yall updated once I make good progress lol

[fervent crow]

Its a hard interval so good luck

[narrow pike]

ty

[fervent crow]

Ok everythings been recorded and saved to my drive, just gotta edit it

[random tundra]

is inward zombie bass possible?

[fervent crow]

Eeeh, probably not? Just becaude of how the epiglottis is positioned

Like you would need it to vibrate inwards when its covering your larynx

[fervent crow]

I needa help more people lol

[random tundra]

aah ok

[foggy yarrow]

Is this it? The vibration bass?

i only had it for TWO seconds

now i lost it

[molten parrot]

i think yes

[fervent crow]

Sounds like it, and yeah story of vibration

You have it then suddenly you dont

I think you need to add more throat bass onto that constricted singing

[fervent crow]

^^

[random tundra]

def

[random tundra]

yeah haha

[fervent crow]

Actuslly ykw, reminds almost of wings

Just again a little less throat bass

[foggy yarrow]

Gott it

I just woke up and my throat’s sore

[fervent crow]

Ah- yeah-

Sick or from how much you were constricting your voice lol

[narrow pike]

yea that can happen sometimes as long as youre still in the experimenting around stage

[fervent crow]

YeH

It honestly sounds like you were doing the remix method of constricting your voice so much it starts to pop, and you only addrd a dash of throat bass to get a vibration-

[random tundra]

@fervent crow

YO

YO

I JUST GOT DOUBLE INWARD

its sounding pretty bad

but def thats it

[fervent crow]

NICE

[random tundra]

holy shi this sound is so siiiiiiiick

[fervent crow]

lol

and noone but improver uses it!

[random tundra]

frrrr

[fervent crow]

and theres so many variations that can come of it

like just look at how many variations of polychest there are, and thats cause people have learned the sound

only one does poly inward

well, more then one including you and subharmonikz

[random tundra]

yeah

he was teaching me poly chest

then I asked if poly inward is the same thing

he said yes

so i just go it

lmao

idk why but inward feels much easier

only got poly chest vibration like

1 or 2 times

im getting it inwards almost all time now lmao

just need to get good at it

[fervent crow]

again makes sense, just imagine how wide and agressive the arytenoids would be oscillating in inward compared to chest

the arytenoids curl upwards, inward forces them to turn downwards

[random tundra]

yeah yeah

fr

[unkempt drum]

Holy cow, how?-

[random tundra]

its almost doing 2 inward basses at once

one higher and tighter and one lower and more relaxed

[unkempt drum]

oohhh, alr

[random tundra]

if u do a really high inward bass, then push more air

u unsycronize ur arytenoids

so the more low one starts to appear

its really weird ngl

my throat is burning lmao

[fervent crow]

yeaah, ive only done it once

[unkempt drum]

Doesn't all our throats burn when we finally unlock a throaty bass? 🤣

[random tundra]

fr lol

new bass = throat burning for a week

[unkempt drum]

I'm like 2 months into vibro bass and it still gets me 😭

[random tundra]

damnn

try to practice constricted voice

it helps alot

[unkempt drum]

It does?

[random tundra]

yep

when I learned vib what made me get used to it fast was practicing constricted singing at the same time

practicing both

really helps

[unkempt drum]

I'll give it a shot either tomorrow or Tuesday then, thanks for the tip ❤️

[fervent crow]

yeah, the constricted singing is really what hurts in vibration

get used to it, makes doing vibration much easier on the throat

also not over adding constricted voice to vibration, it will keep hurting if you are too constricted

[foggy yarrow]

my throat's been sore for 3 days now and I'm getting cold symptoms, constricting my voice probably kickstarted this whole thing

[narrow pike]

tbh that isnt necissarily the case, coincedences do happen

ever since i started beatboxing and especially since doing vocal basses my laryngeal symptoms have been way less severe when i got sick so you can at least look foward to that

[narrow pike]

unless you were fully overboard with constriction temporarily damaging your mucosa to such an extent that made it easier for pathogens to infect that tissue

[unkempt drum]

This might actually be true - One of the first times I tried throat bass or vibro bass more than I was comofrtable with, my throat started hurting so much that I got ill not long after - Occured at least 2-3 time for me 😭

[narrow pike]

I mean for pretty much all vocal basses its better to "let them fall into place" rather than forcing it into place, ofc youll need to do the latter to some extent when trying for new techniques but if youre mostly forcing id say your approach is wrong and possibly dangerous

[half shale]

@fervent crow hi, I'm new here and new in beatboxing in general and I was trying to learn inward bass (specifically the d-low inward bass) and I just can't do it and I don't even know if I'm close; also I want to improve my throat bass. Ideally you can help me on call, whenever you can.
Thank you ❤️

[fervent crow]

Ehhh if you're new, dlow inward is very beyond sights-

That inward is beyond advanced texturewise

[half shale]

Ok, then I guess I will try to improve throat bass, also learn how to integrate it with other sounds

[fervent crow]

Even technique, cause you not just need the texture itself, you also need to learn how to add uvula ontop of that texture with just the right ratios

[fervent crow]

Yee

could i hear your throat bass osmetime? Vcs dont work for me because im super busy alot of the time

So audio recordings are your best bet with me-

I just needa do the routine "is it actually throat bass" check

[half shale]

Of course, I mean I'm always doubting if I'm even doing the right sound, because honestly every sound is very hard for me

[fervent crow]

Lol, thats how it is at the begining

Hey, dw, even pros mistake other sounds for throat bass

Aka mistake slizzer bass for throat bass

[unkempt drum]

On the topic of throaty basses, how long should it take to learn to speak in vibration bass? I find it nearly impossible atp in time to say a word without it breaking into throat bass (also it keeps defaulting to a higer pitch)

[half shale]

In my case I can barely speak in throat bass without losing the bass

But well, I still have much to improve

That's why I'm here in the first place

[fervent crow]

Way longer than throat bass

It took me... Maybe 4 months of practicing vowels?

[fervent crow]

Could you do it on a higher pitxh and modulate it alot

Im suspicious instsntly

[half shale]

Not much more, I think.
But it sounds good, then?

[fervent crow]

Im just asking to conferm its throat bass

And not slizzer

https://tiermaker.com/create/beatbox-bas-16590738 also remade my old tierlisr that was lost to time

[half shale]

Hm, I haven't seen anything on this one.
What would the differences be between this and throat bass?

[fervent crow]

Slizzer bass is 1st subharmonic vocalized chest bass

It hard a rounder, softer vibration

And your voice has a slight filter on it kinda

Andits much bassier

While throat bass is very sharp and yhe voice just sounds like it adds bass to it

[unkempt drum]

@fervent crow

Is this chest bass, or is it completely off? I have no idea how it's meant to sound at first.

I don't think it's correct, but I'm running it by you, Mr. Bass Nerd <3

[random tundra]

kinda sounds like u did vibration bass for a bit

[unkempt drum]

Apparently chest bass is supposed to kinda have a growly overlay - It is coming from the chest, but I get how it can soudn a bit like vibro

sound*

at least that's what I heard abt chest bass

[narrow pike]

chest bass doesnt actually come from your chest

[unkempt drum]

Is it supposed to make your chest kinda rumble tho?

If not, then I am WAY off of chest bass XD

[narrow pike]

even normal humming can get your chest to rumble

the sound is still produced in the larynx by the arytenoids

[unkempt drum]

Ah right

[random tundra]

yeah

and actually the vibration is pretty high on the throat

its not low

[fervent crow]

its higher then throat bass

[fervent crow]

hmm, sounds closer to vibration yeah

[unkempt drum]

How am I meant to do chest bass then? Tutorials didn't help much 🤔

[fervent crow]

also why did it only play in my right earbud-

[fervent crow]

very relaxed

your voice shouldnt be constricted at all

just makes it harder

oh yeah

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

also chest bass alone has zero voice ofc lol

its litterally exhaling and oscillating your arytenoids

[unkempt drum]

arytenoids?-

[random tundra]

try to do a heavy sigh

like

a really really heavy sigh

[random tundra]

something like this

this is how i got chest bass

[fervent crow]

you also dont wanna have a me issue and get zombie bass lol

[unkempt drum]

The vocal fold?

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

no

vocal fold is way below

[random tundra]

btw space

[fervent crow]

yee?

[random tundra]

my bv bass is not bv bass

is just vcb

and my cef bass is vpc

lol

[fervent crow]

oh interesting

your CEF bass i was allways iffy on

[random tundra]

I was talking about it with subharmonikz and we came to this conclusion

[narrow pike]

what is vpc bruh

[random tundra]

vibration poly chest

[narrow pike]

ah ye ight

[random tundra]

or just vibration chest bass

[fervent crow]

but never knew how to explain my thoughts lol

[random tundra]

lol np

[fervent crow]

vibration poly chest, vibration chest, baboon vibration

[random tundra]

just correcting u so next time u can taught people more correctly

[fervent crow]

true sub chest bass

yee

[random tundra]

wtf is baboon bass

[fervent crow]

you know how theres throat bass and loose throat bass?

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

its that difference but for slizzer bass

its loose slizzer without going 2nd sub

[random tundra]

so its like a loose slizzer bass?

[random tundra]

aah ok

who uses that?

[unkempt drum]

I can't see where the arytenoids is labelled 😭

[fervent crow]

den, baboon, and vino

[fervent crow]

red

[unkempt drum]

In the top-right photo?

[fervent crow]

top right they arent there to begin with lol

[random tundra]

hmm that why den "throat bass" always sounded different to me

[unkempt drum]

those two small red lines?

[random tundra]

makes sense

yeah i think

[fervent crow]

those were there allready and part of the og image lol

for the top right

the arytenoids are only labled in the top left and bottom left

[random tundra]

yeah

its literally the red thing bro

the vocal folds one is more lower

its the blue one

white actually lol

[fervent crow]

yeah the white and sky blue

[random tundra]

yeah yeah

[fervent crow]

honestly whats helped me get chest bass more besides trial and error

is kindreons endoscopic camera vid

you can see the muscles actually move

[random tundra]

I just dont know how to help even tho chest is one of my main basses

its just natural af for me

[fervent crow]

thats the issue, its so natural for people

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

until you learn the unnatural basses, which may feel natural to you

like me

throat bass feels natural, just another voice

[unkempt drum]

Oh wait I think i found the arytenoids - I was tryna look for the exact word and that's what threw me off 🤣

[fervent crow]

yeah lol

[random tundra]

yeah its just red

[fervent crow]

as i said in the note in the top right, the arytenoids are not directly labled for whatever reason

[random tundra]

literally just red

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

hey @narrow pike you should do the bass tierlist :) lol

you are one of the few who have heard most of em

[random tundra]

yo I wanna do that too

where is it

[fervent crow]

here

im missing poly chest still lol

honestly forgot to add it, i added every other double sound-

[narrow pike]

sure gimme a sec

[fervent crow]

got den to do it ages ago-

he did it with sonus

who GLAZED cyclone liproll, its where the joke of calling him the cyclone guy or something

[random tundra]

wtf is the difference between vocal uvula bass and uvula bass

[fervent crow]

one is vocalized

the other is not

its in the name carlos- lol

[random tundra]

ah ok lmao

its because normally i call uvula bass unvocalized vocal bass

[fervent crow]

so backwards lmao, i also call it that cause i hate the name vocal bass

[random tundra]

lmao

[fervent crow]

we need to not have sound names that are the same as genres or catagories

[random tundra]

makes sense ngl