Offering help with bass stuff

[narrow pike]

also the whispered remix vibration bass is wayyy louder

[fervent crow]

He didnt even do normal vibration bass-

But also, gollum doesnt just dampen the volume

It dampens the texture

Remix's vibration is still full texture even with the super heavy gollum

[narrow pike]

so let me list my train of thought
remix uses the way louder whispered remix vibration bass as glottal part
then has a free standing epiglottis for the small oscillation
this vibration dampens, smoothens the texture but carries the gist of it
this vibration naturally occurs in a more gollum position

just tell remix to 3d print a laryngoscope to end this guessing 🙏

[narrow pike]

yea but that doesnt sound quite like what I mean

look at nr 32 maybe that might give a better idea of what i mean

something sort of like that just with the nr 59 in the larynx

or like just the 20 vocalized chest bass

even though that doesnt really look like it would be a normal vocalized chest bass

[fervent crow]

Lol

I mean also vibration bass does use the epiglottis anyway to some extent

By that i mean the walls of the epiglottis

[narrow pike]

yea I thought something like that as well I mean the air stream hits some regions anyway so what if the oscillations induced by that are just a main feature of remixes vibration bass

[fervent crow]

Maybe, but i mean litterally- vibration is throat bass + aryepiglottic folds. After that its chest bass or not vibration

[narrow pike]

what if epiglottis and arypiglottics just sync up

[fervent crow]

Bass ventura bass

Thats what it is

Syncronized vocalized chest bass + aryepiglottic folds

[narrow pike]

does that have the epiglottis touch the throats back wall with that

[fervent crow]

Looking at alot of the chest bass stuff doesnt seem so, should only have to touch it as much as vocalized chwst bass does

[narrow pike]

maybe with remixs bass the epiglottis is completely free standing and "reoscillates" the vibration basses frequencies and thus dampening by taking some energy away and also smoothening by catching "air velocity spikes" due to its mass

very theoretical but I love brainstorming about stuff like this

long ahh way to say free standing and synchronized epiglottis I just realized

[fervent crow]

Lol

WOAH

[random tundra]

im understanding nothinjg that you guys are saying 😭

[random tundra]

what is this?

[fervent crow]

Chest bass

That is the largest vibration ive ever gotten from it

[random tundra]

my chest bass is so weird

i was doing it right now

and it switched to poly chest for 2 sec during a beat

[random tundra]

on 7 and 8 sec

the poly is loud

but on the rest of the beat there is no poly

atleast i dont hear it

[fervent crow]

That whole recording sounds like poly chest&

[random tundra]

really?

idk why but i really cant hear 2 chest bass notes

and if I do it unvocalized it just sounds like regular chest bass

[fervent crow]

it sounds too much like vibration to only be one pitch

could be true sub chest bass

which is only one chest bass note, one voice note, but theres a 3rd note

[random tundra]

i dont think so

if i do and f with chest bass

and stop doing the chest

my voice is on a c

so the voice is not a 5th under the chest

the voice is a 5th up the chest

[fervent crow]

k

it still sounds more full then 2nd sub or 3rd sub vcb is

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

i hear another pitch sorta fullness

[random tundra]

yeah

if I do a Eb

my voice is in Bb

[random tundra]

its weird because its really full

[fervent crow]

(i dont know my pitches by ear lol)

[random tundra]

Bb is a 5th up Eb

[fervent crow]

ah ywah

see 5ths i get so confused about cause i have no clue what makes a seminote or whatever different from others-

[random tundra]

seminote?

[fervent crow]

semi something

[random tundra]

aaah

i know what it is

[fervent crow]

thats what a 5th means- the notes in between notes

[random tundra]

yeah i know lol

[random tundra]

i just dont know the correct name in english

everything i learned studying music theory i learned in portuguese

so sometimes its a little bit hard to understand lol

[random tundra]

semitone

[fervent crow]

ah

[random tundra]

its actually the interval between the notes

like

if you go from a C to a G

you get a 5th because is the distance between C and G

but if you go from C to E

its a 3th

typed wrong sorry

[fervent crow]

it makes no sense to me-

[random tundra]

take all the notes

C, D, E, F, G, A and B

just count the intervals between then

from C to G

5th

from C to E

major 3th

[fervent crow]

oh, including C, you count, theres 5 notes

[random tundra]

yep

thats what intervals is

sooooo

when I do an E with vcb and I stop doing chest

my voice in on B

its a perfect 5th

with the voice being a 5th UP the chest, not a 5th UNDER like in vibration chest

but yeah, it sounds way fuller

which is weird

[random tundra]

if my voice was a 5th under the chest note, my chest would be on E and my voice on A

since we are confused about this, can you actually send this audio to suharmonikz to see what he thinks it is?

because if vibration chest bass is with the voice being a 5th up, that whats im doing

[fervent crow]

still.. also, 2nd subharmonic is an octave and a 5th correct?

BUT, that would mean say C3, the bass note would be E1

[random tundra]

idk about subharmonics lmao

[random tundra]

yeah

[fervent crow]

that just seems so low..

cause then yeah 3rd sub would be C1

then B0 for 4th

[random tundra]

E1 would be 2nd sub?

[fervent crow]

yes

cause 1st sub is 1 octave below the base note, 2nd is 1 octave and a perfect 5th, 3rd sub is two octaves, 4th sub is 2 and a 3rd

[random tundra]

ah ok

that makes sense

[fervent crow]

and then on progressivly getting more reduced-

idk the exact notes i just know 7th sub is 3 octaves

[random tundra]

so

if the fundamental is C3

first sub would be C2

2nd would be F1

and 3nd C1

E1 is closer to F1

so yeah

2nd sub

[fervent crow]

why G1? we would want to go down 5 notes from C2, which would be closer to F1-

[random tundra]

oh yeah sorry

pressed the wrong key lmao

[fervent crow]

ah lol

and one 5th is 7 semitones

[random tundra]

yep

[fervent crow]

would probs all help if i had any form of pitch

[random tundra]

so

if u get C

and go from C to C#

its a semitone

then

just count from C to the 5th, which is G

C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G

7 semitones

[fervent crow]

yeah, just for utilizing all that i cant do-

lol

[random tundra]

do you play any instrument?

that really helps

[fervent crow]

besides myself

no

[random tundra]

yeah u should learn how to play something

[fervent crow]

used to play piano, but i learned it based on visuals and note names

and muscle memory

not pitch

same with kalimba

[random tundra]

I first learned guitar by that way

but after a couple years practicing, now i can recognize notes

[fervent crow]

actually its funny, i learned the physical stuff, and for bass i know and use the muscles and know what textures sound like what-

[random tundra]

u just really need to practice

[fervent crow]

i played my piano kinda for like 3 years- but never taken a band or music class

[random tundra]

yeah I learned guitar by myself too

I only started taking classes when I wanted to learn music theory

[fervent crow]

piano i just used tabs lmao

all i did

sheet music boss frfr

[random tundra]

thats what i do with electric guitar lol

idk nothing about sheet music

I only learn by ear

and with tas

tabs

[fervent crow]

ive never been able to learn by ear-

im always a ntoe above or below

or somehow both at the same time

[random tundra]

it comes with time

its hard to explain

idk

first try to learn easy songs by ear

or a song that you played at some point

and forgot how to play it

[fervent crow]

well i cant use my piano now lol

its in the basement and i dont have the space no plugs to use it (its a electronic keyboard lol)

[random tundra]

and try to really pay attention to each note of every thing that you hear

these days I was at school trying to indentify the pitch of an air conditioner with my friend

lmao

[random tundra]

yeah taht sucks

[fervent crow]

most i can do is hear the difference of notes, if you put them next to eachother

tho recently been kinda finding strats to guess general note ranges?

that being pronounciation

each notes pronounciation of the vowls changes the lower or higher you go

[random tundra]

maybe try to recognize 2 notes that are really far from another

like A and F

one thing that really helps is actually remembering the feeling of the interval

not the note itself

[fervent crow]

so like a friend send a recording, and it sounded like how you would pronounce low 2nd octave to high 1st

[random tundra]

that really helps with chords

[random tundra]

thats interesting

[random tundra]

like major and minor third

[fervent crow]

cause your epiglottic position automatically changes depending on the note

and that changes pronounciation

so going ooo on say b2 sounds WAY different then going ooo on C2

(which is my absolute lowest)

[random tundra]

but the pronounciantion would not be something apart from the pitch itself?

[random tundra]

idk for me that doesnt work

it would be the same thing but with a semitone higher

[random tundra]

idk for me its just really ooo while changing the pitch lol

[fervent crow]

lol

[random tundra]

i dont think my bass sound similar to this

the 3nd pitch is way more noticeable

but its weird because of how full it sounds

[fervent crow]

there is a chance you are straight up doing perfect 5th chest bass-

where instead of it being an octave and a perfect 5th below, its just a perfect 5th below the voice

simular to how bv bass is in some ways

[random tundra]

on the same octave?

def not

[fervent crow]

ok

idk then

it does not sound like 2nd sub at all

not even 3rd sub like sxins

[random tundra]

can you send it to subbharmonikz? lol

[fervent crow]

not rn, because he is sick

[random tundra]

ah ok

np

[fervent crow]

Ah @random tundra, asked him

And that makes more sense

Its undeveloped bv bass

[random tundra]

aaaaah ok

ty space

[karmic igloo]

Why am I only hitting the throat bass when looking up ? ( That too is requiring a tight voice )

Although I am sure it's not slizzer bass anymore, I relaxed my epiglottis and dropped the vibration so much down that sometimes I feel to vomit lol.

( in this im going from my natural voice to throat vibrations ( vocal chords and not epiglottis for sure) )

do I need to tighten my voice ? ( And why is kermit sound still there 😭 atleast it's a little down the scale instead of proper kermit)

old followup

my only problem is why am I so tight ? ( Event my jaw muscles are tight and when I losen them, I loose the vibrations as if the chords are not close enough to vibrate )

I'm missing something and it's only sounding like old Napom's throat bass lol. ( Another Dimension )

[fervent crow]

So here you are hitting vibration bass

[fervent crow]

And thats slizzer bass/vcb

[random tundra]

how do I go from normal inward bass to dlow inward bass?

[fervent crow]

Like going between or learning dlow inwars

All i know about dlow inward is it uses the uvula with inward bass, but no clue how to do his texture itself

[random tundra]

learning it

[fervent crow]

Ah, thats the hard part with textures

Learning different textures is how in bass learning to start perfecting a bass

In beatbox, mastering means you can do a sound easily and impliment it easily

In bass, it goes as beginner: you can hit the bass but its poor and inconsistant, need special strats to hit it maybe, intermediat: you can hit it pretty consistantly but cant change it much and may still need strats to hit it, pro: you can hit it consistantly and has a consistant texture, and may be able to change the pitch a little, and no longer require special strats for hitting the bass, master: you can do everything as pro, but you can do the bass on most pitches easily, maybe change the texture slightly to fit needs, perfected: you can easily change the texture and do those different textures on most pitches, simular to voice impressionists

[karmic igloo]

But it's vibrating in my vochal chords

Slizzer bass sounds like slizzer :3
(And I can feel the difference because I've been doing slizzer bass since years )

I guess it's the epiglottis getting tight hmm

But vibration is in vocal chords

The same place where I hit the Vibration bass lol

Or maybe it's with my voice because it's not a tight voice so I need to tighten my throat to hit the Vibration.

I'll give an update after maybe 2 weeks 🤔

[fervent crow]

I mean first recording is def vibration

Have to remember vibration bass uses 3 muscles

And one of those muscles are right under where slizzer bass/vcb happens

Which both of those basses can feel like they happen way lower

[fervent crow]

Also... By definition no? It USES the vocal chords, but vibration uses throat bass and aryepiglottic folds

Only two basses that use just the vocal chords are fry subharmonics and shield poly

And bass singing i guess

[fervent crow]

And wanna know how i can tell? Acrually two things

You going kermit voice ofc

And how round the vibration is

Throat bass DOES NOT get that round or gurgly

And kermit throat bass sounds very different

MAYBE its slizzer bass + throat bass, but thats a heavy maybe

Slizzer bass can feel like itd everywhere, i can make it feel like the top of my throat, or i can make it feel like its happening where my throat bass does

Just because of how big the muscles that do it are

Or muscle

[random tundra]

maybe he is doing slizzer bass with constricted voice

like I was doing before learning actual throat bass

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

the feeling is not that different

because of the constricted voice

u still feel a little bit of the false folds, even tho its not throat bass

going from that to throat bass is anoying as hell

[random tundra]

so it makes sense why learning new textures is so hard lol

[random tundra]

I would say that the main difference is that with this slizzer bass + constricted voice the vibration is way more bigger and round

throat bass is more sharp on the throat

I think this is a good way to differentiate them

[fervent crow]

Yup

Thats usually how i explain

Also yk, slizzer bass being way subbier

[frank crane]

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

I dont think anyone does it spacificially like that, but sucker punch combos have existed for ages

Exhibit A: alexhino

[frank crane]

I got it yesterday so it's not clean af since I don't use the clop sound and sucker punch that often

[karmic igloo]

I'm tired of my epiglottis being tight even when I am vibrating in my vochal chords.

Trying the loose the epiglottis makes me loose the vibrations happening and just opens my throat.

Don't to know to rewire my muscle controls.

[fervent crow]

Well, learning to breath differently helps

Chest bass will allways use deep breathing

And will kinda sound like you are breathing to the top of your throat

Throat bass feels more low

And sounds

A good thing to do i find if you are struggling is to spam ALOT of constricted singing

[random tundra]

Is this the false folds vibrating?

[random tundra]

Yeah

That really helped me

And if you don't want to just spam random notes with constricted singing, try to learn khoomei style of throat singing

It uses constricted singing and sounds way better than just randomly going "hmmmmmm" with it

[fervent crow]

Sounds either like it or form of vbass

[random tundra]

Vibration?

[random tundra]

Actually I was trying to vibrate the false folds without vocalizing it

I think that I need to push more air

[random tundra]

But idk if this sound is being made by the false folds or not

[karmic igloo]

same here

Did that, and it's like growling

I think pushing more air helped the vochal chords to vibrate in a flatter variation ( Like growling like a zombie )
OBVIOUSLY without making the throat tight

[karmic igloo]

@fervent crow is this the right direction ?
( Because this is the only vibration I am not tightening ANYTHING and just letting the air go as a whole )

[random tundra]

yeah im searching for a growl actually

im trying to learn false folds scream technique

and for what i have searched, if i do throat bass without vocalizing i can get it

but i suck so much with false fold sounds lmao

[karmic igloo]

@random tundra do you think this is throat bass

( Been doing vocalised chest bass since years so consider me a noob )

[karmic igloo]

This

[random tundra]

Maybe is it

Kinda sounds like slizzer bass + constricted voice

Idk

I'm not that good recognizing textures

[random tundra]

Yeah I think is this actually

Sounds pretty round

[random tundra]

Is this something close to dlow inward?

[random tundra]

@fervent crow

[fervent crow]

Could be skeletal vibration bass then

Which is unvocalized vibration

[fervent crow]

Sounds closer but either needa be tighter or looser, idk which

[fervent crow]

Thats throat bass yeah

[random tundra]

Wtf is that name lmao

[random tundra]

Ah ok

So I just will experiment with this position

Ty

[random tundra]

Any idea on how can I turn that to a vibration only with the false folds?

[fervent crow]

Hmm... I wouuuld recomend falsetto throat bass for it

Its a good way to feel how an unsyncronized throat bass feels

[narrow pike]

sounds more similar to what I do for poly sub tho imma be real

cuz what hes saying also makes sense poly sub feels weirdly flat and super loose even when doing it as throat bass

also how it completely blares the mic

happens for me with shield poly as well

maybe just poly sub throat bass actually cus that ones actually more prone to happen when just exhaling a little more with barely any other adjustments having to be made

when I got sounds similar to his I always mistook it for a weird unsynced poly sub but now im pretty sure thats just throat bass + poly sub

in this burst at the end I think its just barely poly sub, also the way these frequencies "in between" fade out here is very easily recreatable for me

[fervent crow]

idk, i hear constricted singing, poly sub usually sounds WAY differenty

way softer

and the seperate pitches are fully noticable

the way hes explaining it leans more poly sub, buit also i think hes including false folds in vocal chords-

[narrow pike]

yea theres is false cords in that for sure

thinking its poly sub throat bass

and his false cords are just a tad too tight

the tighter I make my false cords the less clear the higher frequencies get

yet the lower ones remain

[narrow pike]

still there just weirdly interwoven and jumpy

happens in the same manner when I do my vibration bass as well

[fervent crow]

would make sense on that part, because throat bass and shield poly DO NOT and CANNOT harmonize

atleast correctly

it will allways be somewhat dissonant

same with poly vibration

[narrow pike]

yes 100%

like thats what im trying to get right atm

and its definitely insanely hard just cus the position in its nature obviously doesnt harmonize well

you can get pretty close but I dont think itll ever be perfect

I think the only theoretical way to do it would be to not just power your vibration bass using poly sub but to create 2 vibration basses for both pitches of the poly sub if that makes sense

[fervent crow]

yeah, and theoretically doubel vibration bass is possible

HOWEVER, to do it, you would need to do shield poly, under double throat bass, THEN try and get TWO oscillations of the aryepiglottic folds

a muscle that is insanly hard to do on its own

like the easiest way to use it is inward, and even that is rediculously hard to do

[narrow pike]

I think I was actually somewhat close once cus one of my aryeppiglottic folds started feeling really scratchy

and there was another new frequency that showed up in the spectrogram relatively weakly

but there was an audible difference and it looked way more harmonic

lemme try and find it rq

I think this was the recording

also I cant hold that for long at all

uses soooo much air

im kinda getting the double throat bass part rather consistently but the aryeppiglottics are a different beast

[fervent crow]

no still just vibration bass

[narrow pike]

the feeling of it I mean

still hard to hit

[fervent crow]

ah

[narrow pike]

yea kinda figured cus it was also just one aryeppiglottic fold that felt weird

[fervent crow]

yeah makes sense

they are naturally lopsided

my friend noticed he got a different vibration depending which way he tilted his head or presses on his throat with his finger

[narrow pike]

yea thats a thing ive noticed as well

like tilting to the right my vibration bass works worse than to the left

[fervent crow]

yeah they are the most lobsided muscle really

like naturally

well ok, usable muscle

my teacher got mad at me for saying muscle- cause ultimately they are organs

[narrow pike]

lol

maybe this could actually be a good thing for double vibration tho

[fervent crow]

maaybe,but you also end up loosing control when they are lopsided

you're the one with a lopsided tongue right?

[narrow pike]

ye

[fervent crow]

imagin trying to do double tongue bass

[narrow pike]

yea youre right

but what I was thinking is more like you bend the airflow to hit more of one than the other which might be done easier on the more lopsided one

[fervent crow]

the more symetrical they are, the easier the muscle is to do two of as they can share pressures or close to it

when lopsided tho, the smaller one will require higher pressure and the larger one less

or even be in a slightly different spot

[narrow pike]

yea ight

imma still try around with that a lil tomorrow

but what would a double vibration bass realistically sound like if theres even a way to really describe it

[fervent crow]

no clue

[random tundra]

Really?

But what would be the difference between unvocalizing throat bass and falsetto throat bass?

Is it easier to do it?

[fervent crow]

well, one has falsetto the other does

doesnt*

its just falsetto throat bass the false chords work differently

more on their own

[random tundra]

Ah

That makes sense

[random tundra]

Why this sounded poly af

[fervent crow]

evil bass or zombie bass

[fervent crow]

if its zombie bass, then makes sense as the oscillation is so wide you get inconsistant vibrations

if its evil bass, may be a early hard bass

[random tundra]

So it's probably hard bass

I was practicing evil bass

Then I noticed that this vibration was different and started to record

[fervent crow]

lol

real

me when i got my unsynced throat bass

we make do with no chest bass

[random tundra]

Why u don't learn eppiglotis stuff ?

[fervent crow]

i am

i just suck at it rn lol

very typically its either you are good at throat bass but not great at epiglottis, or really good at epiglottis and have throat bass just to have it

[random tundra]

lmao

[random tundra]

yeah

[narrow pike]

this cant still be just vibration bass right?

sounds and feels way different

feels like im actually getting some epiglottal or weird aryepiglottal action, not sure tho

wasnt entirely what I was trying for but here it is ig

[fervent crow]

sounds closer to remix vibration

[narrow pike]

yea thats what ive thought as well but its definitely deeper in a couple aspects

and mid frequencies are way more defined

and weirdly looks like theres almost two of each component

probably due to poly sub

either way it sounds way better than before tho so ill take it as a dub

also just the "vowel" remix says in his sounds more like and o while mine sounds more like a mix of o and a as in apple

I mean I legit just accidentally got it this morning so not sure but even at the lowest frequencies it looks like I have "a pair" of each that remix has

[fervent crow]

lol

just to show how nice throat bass can be outside of its normal use

[narrow pike]

clean as hell

a thought ive had now: might it be that remix's vibration bass has the aryepiglottics hit the front laryngeal wall?

like im not sure at all but it really rather feels like a cracking in the front rather than the epiglottis really hitting anything for me

like i dunno if its really even possible but it feels weird asf

also seeing his method of overtightening jayton voice to get a crack in his tutorial might somehow lead to this

[fervent crow]

Maybe

[narrow pike]

interpolating from my bass to remix's and just doubling it at an octaves up or whatever would yield to me that the recording actually was double remix vibration bass and the top 2 most prominent frequencies were the aryepiglottics at 2 different frequencies

it would make sense that having the resistance against the aryepiglottics of the laryngeal wall would make it way easier to actually hit a double ary vibration

and only one side is hurting right now for me after spamming it lol

at exactly the spot where Id presume that vibration would happen

so the smaller one maybe idk tho

maybe relay this information to subharmonikz so he can either debunk or confirm my yappage

cus it really seems plausible to me

[narrow pike]

adding even more on to that i think if allat is true then he might be actually slipping into a slight poly sub sometimes as well just due to the nature of the sound just for me its how I fundamentally power my vibration bass and for him its a side effect

would also explain the poly-ness you two have identified in his bass

again purely theoretical so ion kno but it would line up

[fervent crow]

Thing is- he cant do poly sub

Otherwise you KNOW he would be spammin that shi every chance he gets

I mean vibration allready has a poly to it, its just weathee or not it was vibration or a form of chest bass

[narrow pike]

ok yea i mean I havent seen an unedited or uneq'd version of his bass so might be that the part I was talking about looks completely different normally

main thing for me is just that the crack hes getting is pretty much exactly what im getting and I dont really feel the epiglottis hit anything at all and it rather just spawns once your arys are tight enough

also theres some almost unnoticable wiggle in there sometimes which I definitely get sometimes as well when my arys feel like they arent hitting that vibration to its full extent

and the fluidity of my bass just increasing immensely once I started doing that

[random tundra]

@fervent crow can you show how do I tight my falsetto?

so I can try to do falsetto throat bass

[random tundra]

its weird

almost every time i instantly get into chest bass position

my voice doesnt even tight

it just goes straight into chest bass

[fervent crow]

Yeah that can happen

And guess who just found falsetto vibration bsss lol

[random tundra]

shi thats crazy

i think i have seen tomazacre doing it

on his instagram stories

i feel like im going to be stuck with this for a long time lmao

[fervent crow]

@narrow pike

its weirdly pleasing to the ear

[fervent crow]

when i first found falsetto throat bass

it took awhile to get it even close to useable

its a hard AF sound

[narrow pike]

super sick

never seen a falsetto vibration bass

[fervent crow]

lol

neither have i

its why im coining it-

[fervent crow]

Cauze the thing is, falsetto throat bass is allready super niche

[random tundra]

lol

[random tundra]

Where is this high pitched sound coming from?

Is this a overtone? Sounds different from what I'm used to

[fervent crow]

Outward fry sub.. Could be an overtone

Could be a weird squeel that happens when you do fry sub

[narrow pike]

insanely loose fry sub?

ive never hit one even remotely that low

maybe I actually do more of a falsetto fry sub idk

but Ive found that sometimes with weird neck and mouth positions weird tones can spawn with fry sub

maybe just an overtone resulting from the general cavity the sound is thrown into

maybe even a tone youre actually singing

fry sub gets weird

[fervent crow]

Sounds simular to enels 2nd sub, but not

Probs just wildly low

[random tundra]

My vocal fry?

Idk I just learned it watching subharmonic singing tutorials

[random tundra]

Sounds weird af

[narrow pike]

ok so I just woke up and tried around a little bit and there definitely seems to be 2 big ways to do fry sub

1. voice + falsetto fry (weird one I did all the time for some reason)
2. voice + chest fry (the common one ig)

yours is a very deep version of the 2nd

falsetto fry might be a bit confusing but it clips the vocal cords in a similar manner to going into falsetto in order to create a spot where a separate fry can happen

while in the normal one your voice just starts frying on top of the normal tone

[random tundra]

So it's not common fry being like that?

I thought it was the regular way

[random tundra]

How that sounds?

[random tundra]

Yeah I kinda feel like my throat is really relaxed when I do it

If I tight it just a little bit the fry stops

[fervent crow]

Not just deep

Also insanely full

Just about enel fry sub i think

Maybe lower

[random tundra]

What would be Enel fry?

[fervent crow]

A mastered, full 2nd sub fry

He does it in the main drop of feel my bass

Yours sounds almost the exact same

[narrow pike]

ah ok nvm its nasal in the vid, was hard to tell for me due to the quality

so yea that deepness isnt actually that crazy

its more just how full it is yea

which I think results from the insane looseness

which I cant hit

[random tundra]

Yeah, it's nasal

[random tundra]

Isn't 2nd sub one octave and a 5th lower? I'm only getting 1 octave lower with fry

Maybe it's a really loose fry sub

[fervent crow]

Could be loose fry, i did also notice how it wasnt quite slower

Fry is also hard to tell for subharmonics

Like listen to enels, and compare it

[narrow pike]

yea fry sub is weird its almost like a spectrum that starts at 1st sub and ends at 2nd sub and theres super many other configurations in between

[fervent crow]

I mean you can go 3rd sub and beyond

Just difficult

[narrow pike]

ive never managed I think

might be my technique tho

and again i havent really done it in ages

[narrow pike]

just this was what I was able to just weirdly slide around in between

[random tundra]

Slower?

[fervent crow]

The lower sub you go, the slower the bass oscillates

As thats how it goes lower octaves

Same way your voice goes slower when you bass sing

[random tundra]

Ah ok

Makes sense

[fervent crow]

Yee

Thsts generally the way i test for subs

[random tundra]

It's so quiet rn

[fervent crow]

As all subharmoniv sounds will oscillate at the same speed as long as they are the same subharmonic and pitch, regardless of the muscle

[fervent crow]

Ok and this you stsrted losing the full ness

You started adding constricted singing it sounds like

[narrow pike]

yea thats also how it sounds when for example indicator did his fry sub in the tutorial

the looser the fuller the fry sub

the less impedance the fuller

[fervent crow]

Basically the more false folds that are used the less full

Need all the vocal folds all day

[narrow pike]

fry sub hella inconsistent 💔

[random tundra]

Seems louder now

Just a little bit

You need to practice this shi so much before actually doing to get it good

It's crazy

[random tundra]

Yeah

[random tundra]

Like half a hour just to get it right

[narrow pike]

yea fry sub warmup is insane

[random tundra]

Yeah warm-up, I forgot the word lmao

[narrow pike]

a little trick i used to have to get it louder and shi is sing a fry sub tone, add more pressure from your lungs but take away pressure on the vocal folds

[random tundra]

Here I was doing for like

40 min

[random tundra]

Using more of the diaphragm

[narrow pike]

yes

[random tundra]

Is really useful

[random tundra]

Before that it was sounding pretty bad tbh

It's quite sad how this sound is quiet

I really like its texture

[narrow pike]

yea fr

but you can get a similar glowyness from other techniques as well

which is why ive ditched fry sub entirely by now

[narrow pike]

just try and be the first person to get fry sub vibration bass and it will be fine

[fervent crow]

Sad part is idk how well it will come through lol

[fervent crow]

OK SO, spread whenever people ask yall, CHEST BASS, ik you touched on this earlier, but chest bass ive been saying was epiglottis

Its actually more then likely the artyenoids oscillating

The epiglottis is more just the sound

(Or pronoucniation)

The only bass that actually used the epiglottis is zombie bass as far as we know

Maybe evil bass

[random tundra]

Arytenoid cartilage?

Actually we should just see on a laryngoscopy vid of someone doing it lol

[fervent crow]

kindron or kindreon

he litterally has that

i noticed they vibrated more, asked my teacher

and yeah i had a misconception myself

[random tundra]

it happens lol

[narrow pike]

hmmm ok then im asking myself what the throat bass in kindreon vid was

cuz that had the arytenoids oscillating against the front laryngeal wall

or at least looks like it iirc

or is chest bass then just a more free standing version of that

ive always wondered why i cant hit an epiglottis only chest bass but apparently turns out I was actually doing it correctly

kept wondering why I cant get any oscillation that didnt feel like it was right next to my esophagus

also by that definition theres definitely some chest-ness to my remix vibration bass on top of a very different aryepiglottal feeling

might be a weird concauction of the two

or remix might do only chest and I have chest + aryepiglottics

so then kindreons vid with the remix vibration bass probably depicts it very accurately

just not quite as tight

whatever bruh im yapping again

[fervent crow]

More freestanding, in throat bass rhey are vibrating more by assosiation

[fervent crow]

Chest + aryepiglottics is bass ventura bass

[narrow pike]

yea true i was still thinking by the "old" definition

weird in my mind

ok then whatever the fu­ck im doing for my vibration bass still remains a mystery

[narrow pike]

wouldnt there be varying degrees to this then tho

like way more than by the previous definition

[fervent crow]

Not really

So there is more aryepiglottic, more artyenoids, more voice, same spectrums as vibration bass just different muscles

Remixs bv bass dor example, more voice and aryepiglottic folds

[narrow pike]

so say throat bass + chest bass can yield a different type of vibration bass

?

* as long as it doesnt activate arys cus then its bv

damn cant even just say arys anymore now

aryepiglottics

[fervent crow]

Not really

So throat bass + chest bass is only possible with throat bass + slizzer bass

OTHERWISE their pressures are too different to work

And throat bass + slizzer bass harmonizes so it just sounds like a fatter throat bass or a sharper slizzer bass

[narrow pike]

is it possible wing does something closer to that?

[fervent crow]

No

[narrow pike]

his vibration bass always sounded weird to me

[fervent crow]

His vibrations just super soft

You need a softer throat bass for it and lots of air

[narrow pike]

yea ok just a thought i had

man where do I get a laryngoscope that isnt 3 bands

[fervent crow]

Lol

Pen camera anf attatch it to a tube idk lol

And hope you dont gag

[narrow pike]

thats a way ig

i was thinking about making something using total reflections in a fiberglass cable or sum and making a phone adapter for it so I can get slowmotion videos

dunno where to even start for that tho

shi frustrating

[fervent crow]

Lol

[narrow pike]

ayo wtf

imma buy that rn if its page looks any good

[fervent crow]

The comments seem good

Theres one where it broke but also it sent a pic of it compared to an sd card it looked like

Looks thin enough

[narrow pike]

sounds good imma look into it

[fervent crow]

But endoscope/snake camera is what you want

[narrow pike]

I cannot bear not even having a real clue besides poly sub and throat bass + ??? any longer

[fervent crow]

Lol

Throat bass + aryepiglottic folds is vibration, and vocalized chest bass + aryepiglottic folds is bv

Difference is, bv bass csn go first sub

Vibration cannot

[fervent crow]

Liitttlleee attempt at showing how throat bass with low to no vocalization vs chest bass sounds. Im not great at chest bass but the base elements are there

[random tundra]

your chest sounds so much tight

[tidal quartz]

@fervent crow

can u vc pls?

[fervent crow]

yup!

[fervent crow]

sadly at school rn

[fervent crow]

as said im not great at chest bass, hard for me to get any oscillation without tightening my arytenoids

[random tundra]

try to sigh with chest bass

relax the throat and do a sigh with it

maybe that helps

im practicing that to get zombie bass and my chest bass I getting pretty loose by just doing a little bit of that every day

[fervent crow]

I do that for chest bass lol

Issue is, its hard not to do unvocalized throat bass

[random tundra]

really?

damn

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[random tundra]

what would be the difference from unvocalized throat bass and false fold screaming?

both uses only the false folds

[fervent crow]

False fold screaming i bet is more a straining of the false folds

While unvocalized throst bass is an oscillation

[narrow pike]

ayo space is the 4th whistle he did subharmonic or am I tripping https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AslX56Thh0o

like cus hes combining 2 whistles "pash lazer" and his whale

and voice ig

[fervent crow]

Eeeh whistles would fit moreso into overtone stuff

Its moreso just a poly note

Or its his laser bass

[narrow pike]

yea ig just when I looked into the spectrogram it all the tones form a 1st sub

[narrow pike]

a variation yes

[fervent crow]

I cant watch rn just going through my knowlage

Yeah

His laser bass i BELEIVE uses tongue bass or vocal bass

His lip doesnt oscillate the same way as pash laser does

Ofc if he vocalized ir, yeah it will go subharmonic

[narrow pike]

in his laser bass its tongue against tooth and with this its more tongue against lower lip/cheek

you can see the tongue wiggle around in that clip basically here its just vortex abuse ig

[fervent crow]

It would be like doing throat bass and whistling, the bass with a whistle ontop

So vocalized laser bass

[narrow pike]

a more extreme version of it

guess it would be different enough to then just classify it as an even bigger concauction of airstream abuse

wild stuff

[random tundra]

I just realized that I have much better control of vibration bass than throat bass

Idk why since vibration bass uses throat bass

Maybe its because I spam bv bass all day and both vibration and bv uses aryepiglottics folds

Idk if that actually makes sense or not

[fervent crow]

and thats odd to me because my throat bass has way more control then my vibration

but i think yeah you spamming aryepiglottic folds all day makes snese

sense*

the throat bass for vibration is also quite different from normal throat bass

[random tundra]

so thats probably because of this lol

maybe I'll try to get falsetto vibration and unvibration it to get falsetto throat bass

[fervent crow]

lol

[random tundra]

vibration feels a lot more confortable

comfortable

idk

[fervent crow]

honestly, this is coming from one of the only people who can do it

its WAY harder to go from falsetto vibration into falsetto throat bass

[random tundra]

that how I got throat bass

[fervent crow]

because its unsyncronized

[random tundra]

unvibrationing my vibration bass

lmao

[fervent crow]

yeah, infinitly harder in falsetto cause its unnatural

[random tundra]

its unsycronized both with falsetto vibration and throat bass?

[fervent crow]

yes, because once you go falsetto, it can no longer be propperly subharmonic

so you get alot of texture variation

vibration bass can allready be subharmonic without voice

[random tundra]

holy shi this thing is harder than I thought

lmao

[fervent crow]

yup

theres a reason only like 2 people including me do it lol

[random tundra]

so you harmonize your false folds with vocal folds like with chest bass?

[random tundra]

yeah lmao

[random tundra]

actually if really try to do that its just to get falsetto throat bass

I dont like the sound of falsetto vibration

lol

falsetto throat bass is cool because of how eletronic it sounds

its good for some riddim

[fervent crow]

Lol

And super easy to get high with

Litterally just scream

[random tundra]

lmao

[random tundra]

Dude

I forgot to say about it with u

But learning throat bass made my poly chest voice don't work anymore

Shields poly

I was starting to get it consistent and now I just can't do it lmao

[narrow pike]

yea they are weirdly close together id say

feeling and tightness wise also

[narrow pike]

try to transfer the tightness youd have in your false cords with throat bass into your true cords on top of your normal voice instead to get shield poly

odd way to say it lol but thats a good way i started feeling for it

was trying for literally 30 seconds to get something similar to crythix bass and I think especially the end of the latter burst sounds rather close

but even just this total 1 second or something of doing it my throat already felt scratchy asf

but damn this bass sounds like hot garbage until youre good at it

also was like 3am so I tried to not do it too loud

[fervent crow]

also yeah if it is it, dont do it too much

crythix messed up his throat doin that, like immensly

its a super dangerous bass

he can no longer learn throat bass

[narrow pike]

honestly wasnt planning on taking it further than maybe playing around with it sometimes

[fervent crow]

lol, just learn the better version- aka unsynced throat bass

[narrow pike]

like legit my throat hurt more after those 2 short ahh bursts than after half an hour of gutteral vibration bass

[narrow pike]

damn what happened

[fervent crow]

his bass

he overdid it

[narrow pike]

ye ye lol but like ripped some shi or sum

[fervent crow]

noclue

its not like you can just tell whats wrong with your throat lol

he cant do constricted singing even for like i think 30 seconds before it immensly hurts

thats mainly from whistle note singing, but imagine whistle register + what you do there

[narrow pike]

yea like it sounds insane but I cant imagine how hard that that would hurt

like this is by far the harshest pain ive ever had from any real vocal bass and then adding one of the most painful singing techniques?

hell nah

[narrow pike]

I mean maybe its just the way hes trained it cus the tightening does feel oddly similar to constricted singing but just pushing it hard against the arytenoids instead of just tensing

and then that obviously wouldnt yield healthy constricted singing

kinda a similar thing to when I was recently doing a bit of alien bass again, ive gotten so used to my vibration bass that I was actually doing a more vibration like position and tightness of false cords while adding fry sub, it worked and the sound was definitely recognizable but it was scratching hard in my left vocal cord, kept having to cough, until I found the natural position again

[fervent crow]

again also the way he screams for it

both high pitch and his low pitch

[narrow pike]

yea with his bass it might be a combination of that and maybe even accelerated scarring

his whistle bass probably has one with the highest energy inputs onto the vocal cords

[narrow pike]

no healthcare in denmark?

ENTs do exist

that would be the first guy id hit up if I had the issues he does

[random tundra]

But the feeling is different af

[narrow pike]

i mean a more powerful shield poly where it starts sort of cracking

ig my methods of getting certain sounds are generally weird so idk if any of this can be applied by a normal person

[random tundra]

lmao

[random tundra]

ah that makes more sense lol

[narrow pike]

are there any multi component inward subharmonic basses that arent based on inward bass

I want some to not loose the beats fullness feeling when using vibration bass cus obviously I need to inhale sometime

but hate training inward bass

[fervent crow]

hmm... not that i can think of no

just because of how inward basses work and how flappy they are, they are allready hardly subharmonic when vocalized

cause theres double inward, double liproll, double inward fry and subharmonic inward fry

and the rest are all the vocalized varients

but for the vocalized ones their intervals are so far appart you can hardly tell

(napoms vocalized liproll i beleive is 3rd sub)

[narrow pike]

yea ight shi

guess imma have to just learn double inward bass then 💔

cuz my standard inward is sooo quiet in comparison to my vibration bass

you can even only barely hear my airless kick when im using vibration as full on bass line

and with an open mouth its probably also louder than even screaming or something

shi tragic

[fervent crow]

lol

[tidal quartz]

space

what are the hours when u are free

[fervent crow]

im pretty free rn

on most weekdays tho, 5:30 pm - 9 pm

PST

forgot to specify

Pacific Standard Time

or <t:1745022600:t> to <t:1745035200:t>

in whatever timezone you are in

thats only if im not doing anything ofc, my schedule is very sporadic

[fervent crow]

^^

[fervent crow]

HOWEVER i am about to start a live stream

[narrow pike]

yo ok so I can essentially do my inward bass from the exact same position I do my vibration bass, and like when the vocalization of that inward became very fluid all of a sudden it hurt for like a couple seconds on ig my vocal cords

so does it just hurt if the vocal cords start truly oscillating inwards the same way theyd do outwards

like hitting the trachea or some shi

[fervent crow]

Maybe? Idk

My teacher found it via doing inward throat whistle

For true vocal chord oscillation lol

[narrow pike]

i mean ig that would make sense

at least what kindreon did for a throat whistle had the vocal cords super loose

[fervent crow]

Yeah

[narrow pike]

man fu­ck inward bass, i think with the muscles i have trained it would be destined for a catastrophic injury

think imma really just stay off it sadly

[fervent crow]

Lol

Its so funny how i can do it inward but hardly outward

I actually only recently started getting normal vcb

[narrow pike]

i mean i guess it makes sense if youre used to throat bass which uses everything and more than chest bass also uses

hard to switch

im still having a hard time not accidentally putting a throat bass under my chest bass

[fervent crow]

Yeaaah, usually what happens with my slizzer bass

OH also, found someone who combines slizzer bass with shield poly

And it gets a MASSIVE overtone

[narrow pike]

yo

who

[fervent crow]

Nexus

He came to ask me what he was doing and hes thought for years it was throat bass

[narrow pike]

is there any recording you can share?

[fervent crow]

Nah he did it in vc lol

[narrow pike]

shi ok

[fervent crow]

Hey @proven stone

[narrow pike]

cus if I push my vibration bass just right i can also get a very odd frequency to spawn in, probably not even vibration bass at that point tho ion know

cuz by now im definitely just doing shield poly remix vibration bass

[narrow pike]

modal falsetto?

judging by the breaks

[fervent crow]

Maybe idk

Either that or falsetto fry subs

Samw feeling as normal fry sub

[narrow pike]

maybe just modal falsetto fry sub then cus that would definitely make sense

cus modal falsetto can definitely fry

but ill tell you that even shield poly can also just fry and very much feel like a more powerful fry sub when just frying

lines pretty thin there ig cus youre getting the base tone none the less and the fry is just and irregularity, ig until you make it be sub

cuz modal falsetto is one component of shield poly

[fervent crow]

how lol, shield poly is all chest voice

cause theres shield poly/low harmonic, then theres stitch poly/high harmonic

[narrow pike]

i mean modal falsetto is fake falsetto

when looking at frequencies and laryngoscopy from kindreon it looks like its actually one of its components

seems to be the higher of both tones in shield poly

positions also looking and feeling very compatible

also just with how "springy" it is

[fervent crow]

would modal falsetto just be high chest voice then or head voice?

[narrow pike]

more high chest voice imo

I can vocalize cmz bass with either modal falsetto or shield poly and when hitting it right the latter just yields another frequency ontop

its why finding the vocalization for cmz bass took me so long, it doesnt really work with traditional falsetto

also just vocalizing a normal laser whistle doesnt really click until I get that more open modal falsetto airflow

I can also "double voice" into shield poly when cracking out of modal falsetto sometimes

[fervent crow]

ah

hey, wanna hear my first ever vibration recording i could find?

[narrow pike]

sure

[narrow pike]

well youve certainly come a long way

my first vibration bass mustve been ass

tbf I only really picked it up 3 months ago but even then its way different to now

[fervent crow]

i dont even know what sub that is anymore

[narrow pike]

lol

[fervent crow]

starting to sound like liquid bass lmao

also this is the most progress on vcb i have lol

[narrow pike]

are you maybe tightening your false cords to the extent where they dont vibrate

[fervent crow]

idk man

[narrow pike]

cus I feel like you have to have em loose but they dont vibrate

[fervent crow]

thats like the clearest my voice can be

[narrow pike]

im guessing as well chest bass and vcb are a mystery to me

[fervent crow]

when doing chest bass

cause i know what muscles chest bass and vcb use

and i only got this far cause i figured out how to move them better

[narrow pike]

I mean these are probably around my best attempts ever

I try to just let the true cords swing with the arytenoids while doing chest bass

cus theyre connected n shi

its just so weird

but still sounds like im vomiting or something

[fervent crow]

yeah something i realized is you really needa focus on keeping the voice not constricted

its the only way i got what i have

[narrow pike]

I just aim for a lower vibration perpendicular to my vocal cords right where the arytenoids are and try to minimize any vibration higher up than that but its so hard not to get some weird false cord involvement,

thats my only way I feel for it

I try and let the arytenoids whip the vocal cords so to say

weird asf

[narrow pike]

yea that

and I guess im also trying to point to corniculates away from eachother in order to get less false action

[fervent crow]

for me i just keep adding more and more gollum to my arytenoids

and a littttle pressure

without going vocal bass

[narrow pike]

I just mostly accidentally slip into my vibration bass

annoying asf

I think I just hit a new milestone only to listen to the recording an realize its a weak vibration bass

always makes me realize just how much we actually have to thread the needle with certain sounds

[fervent crow]

but alot of us dont realize until we need to go to another sound

[narrow pike]

yea fr

and how much you have to unlearn again

[fervent crow]

yeah-

while not unlearning anything

its way easier to go from chest to throat bass

[random tundra]

is unvocalized bv bass possible?

[fervent crow]

Yes, just insanly hard due to how the ayrepiglottic folds work

[fervent crow]

it would be the same concept as skeletal vibration bass but no throat bass and with chest bass

[fervent crow]

and i didnt gag

[tidal quartz]

💀

[fervent crow]

Yeah lol

[random tundra]

aah ok

[random tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcz21B1MCrw what bass is he using on 1:06?

[narrow pike]

falsetto poly + chest bass

[random tundra]

really?

sounds pretty different to my falsetto poly + chest bass

[narrow pike]

I mean its what he said and it does sound like it

Ig everyone has slight deviations in their poly most of the time

what does yours sound like

there are almost an endless amount of differently nuanced polys

[random tundra]

here it is

[narrow pike]

from what I know about polys at least the whisper component of your vocal cords seems to be looser making your chest bass looser as well

for him its just way tighter

[fervent crow]

Could be doing a lower subharmonic of high poly

[random tundra]

yeah probably

I can't go that high

[narrow pike]

more tension

bro what are the emotes on this server

[fervent crow]

Lol

Dlow emojis better frfr

[narrow pike]

ong

[random tundra]

lmao

[fervent crow]

[narrow pike]

yo so how do I get different subs of nasal uvula

cus by now im pretty familiar with all things considering my vibration basses and wanna start adding routrine bass but my uvula stuff still very sloppy

or is it maybe unfeasible cuz of lopsided uvula

[narrow pike]

also like heavily deviated septum

[fervent crow]

I wouldnt say unfeasible, just very hard

Even for me irs hard to control the subs with cause its so unnatural

Genrrally it does right itself into 3rd sub when you add throat bass, as thats whats harmonic

Like i have to focus pretty good to do 2nd sub vocal bass + throat bass

[narrow pike]

damn ok ty

[fervent crow]

Pardon my throst bass my throats been bad today

[narrow pike]

well I guess Im getting it to be somewhat harmonic for half the time im doing it but ig I still havent fully cut out shield poly from under my throat bass

damn you poly sub

[fervent crow]

Lol

Is your throat bass like that just normally? Unharmonic?

If not it shouldnt switch over

[narrow pike]

I mean ig somewhat but I think im more doing double throat bass most of the time

unless I really concentrate on not doing shield poly

cus like the thing with shield poly is it allows you to power sounds with so much less tightness its actually outrageous

like shield poly is easier to power with but subharmonizing anything with it yields less stable and less defined frequencies

cus like duh youre essentially doing 2 of everything youre stacking on top

but that also means it overpowers the uncleanliness and lets you force stuff to happen easier

whether theyll even be remotely harmonic is then a different thing

[narrow pike]

yea also forgot to mention using shield poly itself seems to strongly induce double oscillations in general but then its your job to make both oscillations line up and allat

[fervent crow]

i mean, how f'n tight are you doing your throat bass lol

you need to do throat bass to almost dying levels of tight-

[narrow pike]

I mean it depends on the throat bass

the one I do with chest vibration is pretty loose

[fervent crow]

its not the looseness lol, its doing tight throat bass

like the actual sound

or high octave vibration bass

double throat bass is normal throat bass + tight throat bass, same as poly chest being tight chest bass + normal

and poly vocal bass

even poly lip osc to an extent, it uses lipbuzz which is basically tight lip bass

[narrow pike]

I mean ig i use 2 different throat basses, the one compatible with chest vibration and the one that normal vibration uses, the latter does need to be very tight the latter one I can do very loose, the first im still in the process of getting down

[fervent crow]

yes, but the latter one also isnt tight throat bass

just constricted throat bass

loose throat bass is typically too precise to combine with much

its easy to go tight, loose is where it gets harder and more precise

[narrow pike]

ye but this one goes for using normal voice right cuz what im doing definitely is loose

[narrow pike]

i mean eh like my chest vibration by now is super loose

[fervent crow]

well, chest vibration wouldnt use throat bass lol

[narrow pike]

until I make it tight

[fervent crow]

like the actual sound itself doesnt

throat bass only combines with chest if its slizzer bass

otherwise 3rd sub chest is way too close to it and completely different pressure

[narrow pike]

I mean then you tell me what exactly im transition to and from here cuz then I must be wrong

my throat fried asf rn not clean but should get it across

like I just interpolated this from when vocalizing say a lip bass with shield poly I clearly have 2 distinct spot from where it oscillates on my lips

[fervent crow]

just sounds like a tighter unclean vibration

poly throat bass will sound like poly chest bass in alot of ways

[narrow pike]

and this? cus this the throat bass I was talking bout

[fervent crow]

just sounds like a fatter throat bass

i can get a simular one if i wreck my throat

fat throat bass and loose throat bass can be mixed up because fat throat bass takes alot less effort or tightening, its also mastered throat bass